Who's guilty?

WHY IS it that jobseekers allowance recipients (JSAs) who are five minutes late for a job interview get deprived of their benefit (£71 weekly) meaning their livelihood for four weeks for the first infringement as it’s called, of the “rules”, three months for the second, or three years for the third. While bankers, traders, hedge funds, financiers, and private equity managers who have corruptly stolen hundreds of millions of pounds from the public purse suffer no punishment at all?

Well because they contribute more than one quarter of all the Tories private donations, hello!! So they will never be punished, but people forced to rely on JSA which they have earned through national income contributions through their working life, are demonised, if chief executives, board members, and top managers were banged up with lengthy jail sentences perhaps their behaviour might change.

Mr T King Five Locks Road Cwmbran

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1:07pm Fri 11 Apr 14

-trigg- says...

The JSA is not intended to be someone's "livelihood". It is supposed to be a safety net whilst they are looking for employment, hence the name "Job Seeker's Allowance".

The interviews are not job interviews, but rather designed to ensure claimantts are actively seeking work and to help them in that endeavour. The sanctions you mention are not imposed as a result of someone arriving 5 minutes late but in the event of one of the claimant not attending an interview at all.

Whilst tax avoidance is something that needs to be addressed, this is a completely separate issue to sanctions imposed in relation to JSA claims.
The JSA is not intended to be someone's "livelihood". It is supposed to be a safety net whilst they are looking for employment, hence the name "Job Seeker's Allowance". The interviews are not job interviews, but rather designed to ensure claimantts are actively seeking work and to help them in that endeavour. The sanctions you mention are not imposed as a result of someone arriving 5 minutes late but in the event of one of the claimant not attending an interview at all. Whilst tax avoidance is something that needs to be addressed, this is a completely separate issue to sanctions imposed in relation to JSA claims. -trigg-
  • Score: 9

1:20pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Is it really too much to ask to be on time for an interview. If that was an interview for a job would you be late for that?

Did you call to say you'd be late?

If you can't display enough commitment to be somewhere on time why should the tax payer fund your life?
Is it really too much to ask to be on time for an interview. If that was an interview for a job would you be late for that? Did you call to say you'd be late? If you can't display enough commitment to be somewhere on time why should the tax payer fund your life? Good Job No Kids
  • Score: 8

1:21pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Yes, it does seem that there are clearly double standards when, for instance, large corporations are afforded carte blanche to commit fraud by stashing most of their profits away in tax havens like Jersey and the Cayman Island whilst if us ordinary Jo/es did that we'd be up before the beak and thoroughly named and shamed by the daily tabloids before you could say Fred the Shred. Furthermore, if governments are allowing widespread tax evasion in exchange for donations then this is bribery on a scale more massive and unashamedly blatant than the likes of Al Capone could ever have dreamt of.
Yes, it does seem that there are clearly double standards when, for instance, large corporations are afforded carte blanche to commit fraud by stashing most of their profits away in tax havens like Jersey and the Cayman Island whilst if us ordinary Jo/es did that we'd be up before the beak and thoroughly named and shamed by the daily tabloids before you could say Fred the Shred. Furthermore, if governments are allowing widespread tax evasion in exchange for donations then this is bribery on a scale more massive and unashamedly blatant than the likes of Al Capone could ever have dreamt of. Katie Re-Registered
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1:29pm Fri 11 Apr 14

-trigg- says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Yes, it does seem that there are clearly double standards when, for instance, large corporations are afforded carte blanche to commit fraud by stashing most of their profits away in tax havens like Jersey and the Cayman Island whilst if us ordinary Jo/es did that we'd be up before the beak and thoroughly named and shamed by the daily tabloids before you could say Fred the Shred. Furthermore, if governments are allowing widespread tax evasion in exchange for donations then this is bribery on a scale more massive and unashamedly blatant than the likes of Al Capone could ever have dreamt of.
Tax evasion is illegal. Tax avoidance, whilst immoral is not. This may seem a fine distincction but its one that needs to be kept in mind.

If a corporation or person is guilty of tax evasion, then there is every chance that they will be detected and brought before the courts for due punishment.

A company using tax avoidance techniques can only be punished through reputational loss and direct consumer action (as seen recently with Starbucks). Beyond that, a change in tax regulations would be required in order to block the loopholes being exploited.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Yes, it does seem that there are clearly double standards when, for instance, large corporations are afforded carte blanche to commit fraud by stashing most of their profits away in tax havens like Jersey and the Cayman Island whilst if us ordinary Jo/es did that we'd be up before the beak and thoroughly named and shamed by the daily tabloids before you could say Fred the Shred. Furthermore, if governments are allowing widespread tax evasion in exchange for donations then this is bribery on a scale more massive and unashamedly blatant than the likes of Al Capone could ever have dreamt of.[/p][/quote]Tax evasion is illegal. Tax avoidance, whilst immoral is not. This may seem a fine distincction but its one that needs to be kept in mind. If a corporation or person is guilty of tax evasion, then there is every chance that they will be detected and brought before the courts for due punishment. A company using tax avoidance techniques can only be punished through reputational loss and direct consumer action (as seen recently with Starbucks). Beyond that, a change in tax regulations would be required in order to block the loopholes being exploited. -trigg-
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1:30pm Fri 11 Apr 14

welshannie says...

there are defini
tly double standards here.and benefits can and have been stopped because people are late at the job centre for interviews.sometimes its unavoidable especially if travelling on public transport,and not everyone has a mobile phone to notify that they will be late arriving.if you are a rich banker or a tax avoiding multinational there are no sanctions at all.its always the same when the nasty party is in power.the rich look after their own and penalise the poor.also a lot of people on jsa are not scroungers ,but just unfortunate enough to have been pushed out of work by circumstances beyond their control.
there are defini tly double standards here.and benefits can and have been stopped because people are late at the job centre for interviews.sometimes its unavoidable especially if travelling on public transport,and not everyone has a mobile phone to notify that they will be late arriving.if you are a rich banker or a tax avoiding multinational there are no sanctions at all.its always the same when the nasty party is in power.the rich look after their own and penalise the poor.also a lot of people on jsa are not scroungers ,but just unfortunate enough to have been pushed out of work by circumstances beyond their control. welshannie
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1:54pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Is this letter writer ignoring the fact that the malpractices of the banking industry mainly happened on Labour's watch? As for JSA, anyone can get it. The guy that was in court for yet more fuel thefts recently was on JSA. Fat chance he has of finding work with his criminal record. Speaking of 'records', is the 'evil bankers' one getting a bit worn out now? Both the current and last governments seem happy with the tax receipts from the City and it's employees without which we'd all be up sheet creek without a certain implement.
Is this letter writer ignoring the fact that the malpractices of the banking industry mainly happened on Labour's watch? As for JSA, anyone can get it. The guy that was in court for yet more fuel thefts recently was on JSA. Fat chance he has of finding work with his criminal record. Speaking of 'records', is the 'evil bankers' one getting a bit worn out now? Both the current and last governments seem happy with the tax receipts from the City and it's employees without which we'd all be up sheet creek without a certain implement. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 7

6:26pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Bobevans says...

-trigg- wrote:
The JSA is not intended to be someone's "livelihood". It is supposed to be a safety net whilst they are looking for employment, hence the name "Job Seeker's Allowance".

The interviews are not job interviews, but rather designed to ensure claimantts are actively seeking work and to help them in that endeavour. The sanctions you mention are not imposed as a result of someone arriving 5 minutes late but in the event of one of the claimant not attending an interview at all.

Whilst tax avoidance is something that needs to be addressed, this is a completely separate issue to sanctions imposed in relation to JSA claims.
No one is sanctioned for turning up 5 minutes late

It is not unreasonable that people should be expected to turn up for interviews

What do you think would happen if you were in a job and kept turning up late?

I am sure there are quite a few people upset that they now have to make a bit of effort to claim their JSA but that is not unreasonable
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: The JSA is not intended to be someone's "livelihood". It is supposed to be a safety net whilst they are looking for employment, hence the name "Job Seeker's Allowance". The interviews are not job interviews, but rather designed to ensure claimantts are actively seeking work and to help them in that endeavour. The sanctions you mention are not imposed as a result of someone arriving 5 minutes late but in the event of one of the claimant not attending an interview at all. Whilst tax avoidance is something that needs to be addressed, this is a completely separate issue to sanctions imposed in relation to JSA claims.[/p][/quote]No one is sanctioned for turning up 5 minutes late It is not unreasonable that people should be expected to turn up for interviews What do you think would happen if you were in a job and kept turning up late? I am sure there are quite a few people upset that they now have to make a bit of effort to claim their JSA but that is not unreasonable Bobevans
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7:45pm Fri 11 Apr 14

welshmen says...

YES IT IS THEIR LIVELIHOOD AT THE TIME THEIR UNEMPLOYED, AND YES THEY SHOULD BE ON TIME FOR THEIR FORTNIGHTLY INTERVIEW, THAT'S WHAT JSA IS ALL ABOUT PROVING YOUR SEEKING WORK.

TO GET PEOPLE INTO REAL WORK THEY JUST WANT REAL JOBS WITH A LIVING WAGE NOT A POLITICAL ONE, THE MINIMUM WAGE, ARE WE ALL HERE TO JUST SURVIVE OR ENJOY A BIT OFF LIFE AS WELL, CAN'T GET A MORTGAGE WITH ZERO HOURS OR THE MINIMUM WAGE, CANT GET RENTED HOUSING WITH ZERO HOURS OR THE MINIMUM WAGE, JOB SECURITY AS GONE BECAUSE THERE'S NO CONFIDENCE IN THE GROWTH OF WORK, MANUFACTURING NEEDS TO GROW, HOUSES NEED TO BE BUILT PLUS MORE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE LABOUR AND THE COALITIONS HORDES OF FOREIGNERS.

TRY SURVIVING ON JSA YOU NEED YOUR FAMILY TO HELP OR YOU GO DONE HILL VERY QUICK, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE HOMELESS FIGURES IN THE MEDIA RAGS, WE NEED A BIG CHANGE, GET UKIP IN AND THE COALITION OUT, BRITAIN BACK UNDER BRITISH CONTROL, UNTIL THEN NO CHANGE IN ANYTHING, JUST WESTMINSTER LIES ON HOW WELL WE ARE DOING NOT DOING....
YES IT IS THEIR LIVELIHOOD AT THE TIME THEIR UNEMPLOYED, AND YES THEY SHOULD BE ON TIME FOR THEIR FORTNIGHTLY INTERVIEW, THAT'S WHAT JSA IS ALL ABOUT PROVING YOUR SEEKING WORK. TO GET PEOPLE INTO REAL WORK THEY JUST WANT REAL JOBS WITH A LIVING WAGE NOT A POLITICAL ONE, THE MINIMUM WAGE, ARE WE ALL HERE TO JUST SURVIVE OR ENJOY A BIT OFF LIFE AS WELL, CAN'T GET A MORTGAGE WITH ZERO HOURS OR THE MINIMUM WAGE, CANT GET RENTED HOUSING WITH ZERO HOURS OR THE MINIMUM WAGE, JOB SECURITY AS GONE BECAUSE THERE'S NO CONFIDENCE IN THE GROWTH OF WORK, MANUFACTURING NEEDS TO GROW, HOUSES NEED TO BE BUILT PLUS MORE INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE LABOUR AND THE COALITIONS HORDES OF FOREIGNERS. TRY SURVIVING ON JSA YOU NEED YOUR FAMILY TO HELP OR YOU GO DONE HILL VERY QUICK, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE HOMELESS FIGURES IN THE MEDIA RAGS, WE NEED A BIG CHANGE, GET UKIP IN AND THE COALITION OUT, BRITAIN BACK UNDER BRITISH CONTROL, UNTIL THEN NO CHANGE IN ANYTHING, JUST WESTMINSTER LIES ON HOW WELL WE ARE DOING NOT DOING.... welshmen
  • Score: -1

9:23pm Fri 11 Apr 14

throwy1 says...

If an interviewee knows they are likely to be late through no fault of their own why didn't they ring their prospective employer and explain they would be late (presumably through no fault of their own) in such provable instances most employers are sympathetic
If an interviewee knows they are likely to be late through no fault of their own why didn't they ring their prospective employer and explain they would be late (presumably through no fault of their own) in such provable instances most employers are sympathetic throwy1
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9:45pm Fri 11 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

another example when the bankers and MP's spend our money while the poor has to pay.
another example when the bankers and MP's spend our money while the poor has to pay. pwlldu
  • Score: -3

10:07pm Fri 11 Apr 14

scraptheWAG says...

pwlldu wrote:
another example when the bankers and MP's spend our money while the poor has to pay.
oh really my brother in law is a banker in the city he lives in clapham and works in canary wharf leaving the house at 7 am and returning at 8 they have a million pound house but look on right move what a million pound house in london looks like a small 3 bed semi a house in newport that would cost 80 k

You my friend cannot even turn up once a week for a job seekers sign on.

But i expect you vote for labour and think the world owes you a living !!!
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: another example when the bankers and MP's spend our money while the poor has to pay.[/p][/quote]oh really my brother in law is a banker in the city he lives in clapham and works in canary wharf leaving the house at 7 am and returning at 8 they have a million pound house but look on right move what a million pound house in london looks like a small 3 bed semi a house in newport that would cost 80 k You my friend cannot even turn up once a week for a job seekers sign on. But i expect you vote for labour and think the world owes you a living !!! scraptheWAG
  • Score: 4

10:50pm Fri 11 Apr 14

-trigg- says...

welshmen says...

To start with you get any job that means you are not dependent on the state (i.e. other people paying taxes) to support yourself. Once you have that job THEN you can feel free to search for your dream job. Preferably one where you don't need to worry about typing in capitals.
welshmen says... [Stuff] To start with you get any job that means you are not dependent on the state (i.e. other people paying taxes) to support yourself. Once you have that job THEN you can feel free to search for your dream job. Preferably one where you don't need to worry about typing in capitals. -trigg-
  • Score: 4

1:37am Sat 12 Apr 14

smokintheweed says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
another example when the bankers and MP's spend our money while the poor has to pay.
oh really my brother in law is a banker in the city he lives in clapham and works in canary wharf leaving the house at 7 am and returning at 8 they have a million pound house but look on right move what a million pound house in london looks like a small 3 bed semi a house in newport that would cost 80 k

You my friend cannot even turn up once a week for a job seekers sign on.

But i expect you vote for labour and think the world owes you a living !!!
You must be a failure compared to your brother-in-law. You work in Bristol as an accountant and live in Newport and make wide of the mark assumptions on here.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: another example when the bankers and MP's spend our money while the poor has to pay.[/p][/quote]oh really my brother in law is a banker in the city he lives in clapham and works in canary wharf leaving the house at 7 am and returning at 8 they have a million pound house but look on right move what a million pound house in london looks like a small 3 bed semi a house in newport that would cost 80 k You my friend cannot even turn up once a week for a job seekers sign on. But i expect you vote for labour and think the world owes you a living !!![/p][/quote]You must be a failure compared to your brother-in-law. You work in Bristol as an accountant and live in Newport and make wide of the mark assumptions on here. smokintheweed
  • Score: -2

9:25am Sat 12 Apr 14

scraptheWAG says...

smokintheweed wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
another example when the bankers and MP's spend our money while the poor has to pay.
oh really my brother in law is a banker in the city he lives in clapham and works in canary wharf leaving the house at 7 am and returning at 8 they have a million pound house but look on right move what a million pound house in london looks like a small 3 bed semi a house in newport that would cost 80 k

You my friend cannot even turn up once a week for a job seekers sign on.

But i expect you vote for labour and think the world owes you a living !!!
You must be a failure compared to your brother-in-law. You work in Bristol as an accountant and live in Newport and make wide of the mark assumptions on here.
why made assumptions the letter writer said he he could not be bothered to sign on and no its not a case of 5 mins late i have been on jsa before and if you miss your call they will fit you in
[quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: another example when the bankers and MP's spend our money while the poor has to pay.[/p][/quote]oh really my brother in law is a banker in the city he lives in clapham and works in canary wharf leaving the house at 7 am and returning at 8 they have a million pound house but look on right move what a million pound house in london looks like a small 3 bed semi a house in newport that would cost 80 k You my friend cannot even turn up once a week for a job seekers sign on. But i expect you vote for labour and think the world owes you a living !!![/p][/quote]You must be a failure compared to your brother-in-law. You work in Bristol as an accountant and live in Newport and make wide of the mark assumptions on here.[/p][/quote]why made assumptions the letter writer said he he could not be bothered to sign on and no its not a case of 5 mins late i have been on jsa before and if you miss your call they will fit you in scraptheWAG
  • Score: -1

10:37am Sat 12 Apr 14

welshmen says...

-trigg- wrote:
welshmen says...

To start with you get any job that means you are not dependent on the state (i.e. other people paying taxes) to support yourself. Once you have that job THEN you can feel free to search for your dream job. Preferably one where you don't need to worry about typing in capitals.
Sorry for the capitals I misplaced my glasses, if you read my post i was not referring to myself, I know people who have been on JSA and how they have suffered after being made redundant from a ten year full employment, while you are keen to enforce your message to get a job and not rely on the state, could i suggest you go down to your local job centre and just run your message past those who are on JSA, I would also suggest while your there, ask the Job Centre manager how many Jobs they have found for the unemployed that week, you'll have a shock. no one with a house to pay for either rent or mortgage want to be out of work, i take it your employed too?....
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: welshmen says... [Stuff] To start with you get any job that means you are not dependent on the state (i.e. other people paying taxes) to support yourself. Once you have that job THEN you can feel free to search for your dream job. Preferably one where you don't need to worry about typing in capitals.[/p][/quote]Sorry for the capitals I misplaced my glasses, if you read my post i was not referring to myself, I know people who have been on JSA and how they have suffered after being made redundant from a ten year full employment, while you are keen to enforce your message to get a job and not rely on the state, could i suggest you go down to your local job centre and just run your message past those who are on JSA, I would also suggest while your there, ask the Job Centre manager how many Jobs they have found for the unemployed that week, you'll have a shock. no one with a house to pay for either rent or mortgage want to be out of work, i take it your employed too?.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

12:30pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Mervyn James says...

Norman Tebbit told everyone in his time to 'get on your bike, and be mobile and flexible'. It failed at day one, I should know, at the time when there was little work to be had in in my area, I took up his challenge, I went tot he job centre and applied for a job in Chelentham for which I was qualified to do.

The first thing I was told was 'Not to be silly..' by the Job advisor ! I persevered and insisted that the Government told me to do this and they would initially cover my transport cost, and the first 2 weeks before I got a wage, although they wouldn't arrange any accommodation, I was prepared if necessary to take a tent with me. It was admitted any man with a family could not do this.

After much debate the job advisor contacted the employer in question, and they said "You must be joking, there are people locally without jobs, who I would consider long before someone from Wales..." I never even got to do an interview or send a CV on. I was of the view Tebbit talked through his a*rse frankly, and given today's huge unemployment and ditto in England the chance of obtaining work outside wales was pointless and even less than getting a job here.

60% of people IN work told Cameron yesterday in North Wales, they are glad to have a job, but still cannot pay their mortgages, utilities run their cars, or pay rents, Cameron walked away from them and gave a speech to the TV cameras about the benefit of employment. One wag stood up and said "Yes, you want us all full tax payers, so your cabinet can fiddle more from that.." Strange that never was put on the welsh news....
Norman Tebbit told everyone in his time to 'get on your bike, and be mobile and flexible'. It failed at day one, I should know, at the time when there was little work to be had in in my area, I took up his challenge, I went tot he job centre and applied for a job in Chelentham for which I was qualified to do. The first thing I was told was 'Not to be silly..' by the Job advisor ! I persevered and insisted that the Government told me to do this and they would initially cover my transport cost, and the first 2 weeks before I got a wage, although they wouldn't arrange any accommodation, I was prepared if necessary to take a tent with me. It was admitted any man with a family could not do this. After much debate the job advisor contacted the employer in question, and they said "You must be joking, there are people locally without jobs, who I would consider long before someone from Wales..." I never even got to do an interview or send a CV on. I was of the view Tebbit talked through his a*rse frankly, and given today's huge unemployment and ditto in England the chance of obtaining work outside wales was pointless and even less than getting a job here. 60% of people IN work told Cameron yesterday in North Wales, they are glad to have a job, but still cannot pay their mortgages, utilities run their cars, or pay rents, Cameron walked away from them and gave a speech to the TV cameras about the benefit of employment. One wag stood up and said "Yes, you want us all full tax payers, so your cabinet can fiddle more from that.." Strange that never was put on the welsh news.... Mervyn James
  • Score: -4

6:43pm Sat 12 Apr 14

coalpicker says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
Is it really too much to ask to be on time for an interview. If that was an interview for a job would you be late for that?

Did you call to say you'd be late?

If you can't display enough commitment to be somewhere on time why should the tax payer fund your life?
After waiting nearly three weeks for a GP appointment you are lucky if it is only Fortfive minutes late , last month after a nine month wait a consultants appointment he was three hours late. In my youth five minutes late you went to the bottom of the pile .Watching TV channel five I saw Romanians who had never paid a penny into the system getting a house ,health care and all the
other benefits. I would submit if foreigners are able to tap into British tax payer money we should not begrudge our own .If this post makes me Racist
so be it.
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Is it really too much to ask to be on time for an interview. If that was an interview for a job would you be late for that? Did you call to say you'd be late? If you can't display enough commitment to be somewhere on time why should the tax payer fund your life?[/p][/quote]After waiting nearly three weeks for a GP appointment you are lucky if it is only Fortfive minutes late , last month after a nine month wait a consultants appointment he was three hours late. In my youth five minutes late you went to the bottom of the pile .Watching TV channel five I saw Romanians who had never paid a penny into the system getting a house ,health care and all the other benefits. I would submit if foreigners are able to tap into British tax payer money we should not begrudge our own .If this post makes me Racist so be it. coalpicker
  • Score: 4

7:09pm Sat 12 Apr 14

indy2012 says...

I have been to the Job Center, arrived ten minutes early, than sat and waited for over twenty minutes while the job Center employee chated up the bloke she was interviewing then when I was called she said I was late. Complained to manager don't think she works there anymore.
I have been to the Job Center, arrived ten minutes early, than sat and waited for over twenty minutes while the job Center employee chated up the bloke she was interviewing then when I was called she said I was late. Complained to manager don't think she works there anymore. indy2012
  • Score: 1

1:16am Sun 13 Apr 14

smokintheweed says...

coalpicker wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Is it really too much to ask to be on time for an interview. If that was an interview for a job would you be late for that?

Did you call to say you'd be late?

If you can't display enough commitment to be somewhere on time why should the tax payer fund your life?
After waiting nearly three weeks for a GP appointment you are lucky if it is only Fortfive minutes late , last month after a nine month wait a consultants appointment he was three hours late. In my youth five minutes late you went to the bottom of the pile .Watching TV channel five I saw Romanians who had never paid a penny into the system getting a house ,health care and all the
other benefits. I would submit if foreigners are able to tap into British tax payer money we should not begrudge our own .If this post makes me Racist
so be it.
You form your opinions from documentaries on Channel 5? Scary.
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Is it really too much to ask to be on time for an interview. If that was an interview for a job would you be late for that? Did you call to say you'd be late? If you can't display enough commitment to be somewhere on time why should the tax payer fund your life?[/p][/quote]After waiting nearly three weeks for a GP appointment you are lucky if it is only Fortfive minutes late , last month after a nine month wait a consultants appointment he was three hours late. In my youth five minutes late you went to the bottom of the pile .Watching TV channel five I saw Romanians who had never paid a penny into the system getting a house ,health care and all the other benefits. I would submit if foreigners are able to tap into British tax payer money we should not begrudge our own .If this post makes me Racist so be it.[/p][/quote]You form your opinions from documentaries on Channel 5? Scary. smokintheweed
  • Score: -1

8:23am Sun 13 Apr 14

coalpicker says...

smokintheweed wrote:
coalpicker wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Is it really too much to ask to be on time for an interview. If that was an interview for a job would you be late for that?

Did you call to say you'd be late?

If you can't display enough commitment to be somewhere on time why should the tax payer fund your life?
After waiting nearly three weeks for a GP appointment you are lucky if it is only Fortfive minutes late , last month after a nine month wait a consultants appointment he was three hours late. In my youth five minutes late you went to the bottom of the pile .Watching TV channel five I saw Romanians who had never paid a penny into the system getting a house ,health care and all the
other benefits. I would submit if foreigners are able to tap into British tax payer money we should not begrudge our own .If this post makes me Racist
so be it.
You form your opinions from documentaries on Channel 5? Scary.
On the skunk again old son ?Where do you get your information, the Imam
or perhaps straight from the horses mouth ,the one that flew up to heaven ?
[quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Is it really too much to ask to be on time for an interview. If that was an interview for a job would you be late for that? Did you call to say you'd be late? If you can't display enough commitment to be somewhere on time why should the tax payer fund your life?[/p][/quote]After waiting nearly three weeks for a GP appointment you are lucky if it is only Fortfive minutes late , last month after a nine month wait a consultants appointment he was three hours late. In my youth five minutes late you went to the bottom of the pile .Watching TV channel five I saw Romanians who had never paid a penny into the system getting a house ,health care and all the other benefits. I would submit if foreigners are able to tap into British tax payer money we should not begrudge our own .If this post makes me Racist so be it.[/p][/quote]You form your opinions from documentaries on Channel 5? Scary.[/p][/quote]On the skunk again old son ?Where do you get your information, the Imam or perhaps straight from the horses mouth ,the one that flew up to heaven ? coalpicker
  • Score: 0

10:50am Sun 13 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

smokintheweed wrote:
coalpicker wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Is it really too much to ask to be on time for an interview. If that was an interview for a job would you be late for that?

Did you call to say you'd be late?

If you can't display enough commitment to be somewhere on time why should the tax payer fund your life?
After waiting nearly three weeks for a GP appointment you are lucky if it is only Fortfive minutes late , last month after a nine month wait a consultants appointment he was three hours late. In my youth five minutes late you went to the bottom of the pile .Watching TV channel five I saw Romanians who had never paid a penny into the system getting a house ,health care and all the
other benefits. I would submit if foreigners are able to tap into British tax payer money we should not begrudge our own .If this post makes me Racist
so be it.
You form your opinions from documentaries on Channel 5? Scary.
The mouthpiece of news doesn't make it inaccurate by default. Spin might be put on it (the left wing press are as guilty of that as the right), and the motives might be suspect but it doesn't mean the content is invented. It is without doubt true that migrants get what the rest of us are entitled to, notwithstanding the newly imposed 3 month limit.
[quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Is it really too much to ask to be on time for an interview. If that was an interview for a job would you be late for that? Did you call to say you'd be late? If you can't display enough commitment to be somewhere on time why should the tax payer fund your life?[/p][/quote]After waiting nearly three weeks for a GP appointment you are lucky if it is only Fortfive minutes late , last month after a nine month wait a consultants appointment he was three hours late. In my youth five minutes late you went to the bottom of the pile .Watching TV channel five I saw Romanians who had never paid a penny into the system getting a house ,health care and all the other benefits. I would submit if foreigners are able to tap into British tax payer money we should not begrudge our own .If this post makes me Racist so be it.[/p][/quote]You form your opinions from documentaries on Channel 5? Scary.[/p][/quote]The mouthpiece of news doesn't make it inaccurate by default. Spin might be put on it (the left wing press are as guilty of that as the right), and the motives might be suspect but it doesn't mean the content is invented. It is without doubt true that migrants get what the rest of us are entitled to, notwithstanding the newly imposed 3 month limit. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

3:22pm Sun 13 Apr 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Bobevans wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
The JSA is not intended to be someone's "livelihood". It is supposed to be a safety net whilst they are looking for employment, hence the name "Job Seeker's Allowance".

The interviews are not job interviews, but rather designed to ensure claimantts are actively seeking work and to help them in that endeavour. The sanctions you mention are not imposed as a result of someone arriving 5 minutes late but in the event of one of the claimant not attending an interview at all.

Whilst tax avoidance is something that needs to be addressed, this is a completely separate issue to sanctions imposed in relation to JSA claims.
No one is sanctioned for turning up 5 minutes late

It is not unreasonable that people should be expected to turn up for interviews

What do you think would happen if you were in a job and kept turning up late?

I am sure there are quite a few people upset that they now have to make a bit of effort to claim their JSA but that is not unreasonable
A further report has been published, indicating the true reason people especially in Wales are late signing on is because they are lazy.

The 650 odd future benefit scroungers in the bakery in Rogerstone should be sanctioned on their first day of signing on. They would have known for some time , about 6 months in fact ) that the factory is closing and have had ample time to find alternative employment. The fact they will be signing on and srounging indicates they have not tried hard enough.

Rules should be introduced taking factors like this into account, and sanctions introduced accordingly
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: The JSA is not intended to be someone's "livelihood". It is supposed to be a safety net whilst they are looking for employment, hence the name "Job Seeker's Allowance". The interviews are not job interviews, but rather designed to ensure claimantts are actively seeking work and to help them in that endeavour. The sanctions you mention are not imposed as a result of someone arriving 5 minutes late but in the event of one of the claimant not attending an interview at all. Whilst tax avoidance is something that needs to be addressed, this is a completely separate issue to sanctions imposed in relation to JSA claims.[/p][/quote]No one is sanctioned for turning up 5 minutes late It is not unreasonable that people should be expected to turn up for interviews What do you think would happen if you were in a job and kept turning up late? I am sure there are quite a few people upset that they now have to make a bit of effort to claim their JSA but that is not unreasonable[/p][/quote]A further report has been published, indicating the true reason people especially in Wales are late signing on is because they are lazy. The 650 odd future benefit scroungers in the bakery in Rogerstone should be sanctioned on their first day of signing on. They would have known for some time , about 6 months in fact ) that the factory is closing and have had ample time to find alternative employment. The fact they will be signing on and srounging indicates they have not tried hard enough. Rules should be introduced taking factors like this into account, and sanctions introduced accordingly BobEvams2014
  • Score: -2

5:43pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Gareth says...

I arrived three mins late for the train. Only three mins, but it left without me. How is that fair, when bankers don't go to jail?
I arrived three mins late for the train. Only three mins, but it left without me. How is that fair, when bankers don't go to jail? Gareth
  • Score: 0

11:16am Tue 15 Apr 14

Mervyn James says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
The JSA is not intended to be someone's "livelihood". It is supposed to be a safety net whilst they are looking for employment, hence the name "Job Seeker's Allowance".

The interviews are not job interviews, but rather designed to ensure claimantts are actively seeking work and to help them in that endeavour. The sanctions you mention are not imposed as a result of someone arriving 5 minutes late but in the event of one of the claimant not attending an interview at all.

Whilst tax avoidance is something that needs to be addressed, this is a completely separate issue to sanctions imposed in relation to JSA claims.
No one is sanctioned for turning up 5 minutes late

It is not unreasonable that people should be expected to turn up for interviews

What do you think would happen if you were in a job and kept turning up late?

I am sure there are quite a few people upset that they now have to make a bit of effort to claim their JSA but that is not unreasonable
A further report has been published, indicating the true reason people especially in Wales are late signing on is because they are lazy.

The 650 odd future benefit scroungers in the bakery in Rogerstone should be sanctioned on their first day of signing on. They would have known for some time , about 6 months in fact ) that the factory is closing and have had ample time to find alternative employment. The fact they will be signing on and srounging indicates they have not tried hard enough.

Rules should be introduced taking factors like this into account, and sanctions introduced accordingly
Outrageous response to 650 people losing their jobs, then calling them future benefit scroungers. It is this sort of hate media that needs to be put in the dock. By the same logic any person losing a job via none of their own fault gets the same label Bob, maybe you are not even in the job market ? but we look forward to if or when you lose yours we can hang that label on you.. Benefit scrounging scum should stick together !.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: The JSA is not intended to be someone's "livelihood". It is supposed to be a safety net whilst they are looking for employment, hence the name "Job Seeker's Allowance". The interviews are not job interviews, but rather designed to ensure claimantts are actively seeking work and to help them in that endeavour. The sanctions you mention are not imposed as a result of someone arriving 5 minutes late but in the event of one of the claimant not attending an interview at all. Whilst tax avoidance is something that needs to be addressed, this is a completely separate issue to sanctions imposed in relation to JSA claims.[/p][/quote]No one is sanctioned for turning up 5 minutes late It is not unreasonable that people should be expected to turn up for interviews What do you think would happen if you were in a job and kept turning up late? I am sure there are quite a few people upset that they now have to make a bit of effort to claim their JSA but that is not unreasonable[/p][/quote]A further report has been published, indicating the true reason people especially in Wales are late signing on is because they are lazy. The 650 odd future benefit scroungers in the bakery in Rogerstone should be sanctioned on their first day of signing on. They would have known for some time , about 6 months in fact ) that the factory is closing and have had ample time to find alternative employment. The fact they will be signing on and srounging indicates they have not tried hard enough. Rules should be introduced taking factors like this into account, and sanctions introduced accordingly[/p][/quote]Outrageous response to 650 people losing their jobs, then calling them future benefit scroungers. It is this sort of hate media that needs to be put in the dock. By the same logic any person losing a job via none of their own fault gets the same label Bob, maybe you are not even in the job market ? but we look forward to if or when you lose yours we can hang that label on you.. Benefit scrounging scum should stick together !. Mervyn James
  • Score: -1

3:58pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
The JSA is not intended to be someone's "livelihood". It is supposed to be a safety net whilst they are looking for employment, hence the name "Job Seeker's Allowance".

The interviews are not job interviews, but rather designed to ensure claimantts are actively seeking work and to help them in that endeavour. The sanctions you mention are not imposed as a result of someone arriving 5 minutes late but in the event of one of the claimant not attending an interview at all.

Whilst tax avoidance is something that needs to be addressed, this is a completely separate issue to sanctions imposed in relation to JSA claims.
No one is sanctioned for turning up 5 minutes late

It is not unreasonable that people should be expected to turn up for interviews

What do you think would happen if you were in a job and kept turning up late?

I am sure there are quite a few people upset that they now have to make a bit of effort to claim their JSA but that is not unreasonable
A further report has been published, indicating the true reason people especially in Wales are late signing on is because they are lazy.

The 650 odd future benefit scroungers in the bakery in Rogerstone should be sanctioned on their first day of signing on. They would have known for some time , about 6 months in fact ) that the factory is closing and have had ample time to find alternative employment. The fact they will be signing on and srounging indicates they have not tried hard enough.

Rules should be introduced taking factors like this into account, and sanctions introduced accordingly
Outrageous response to 650 people losing their jobs, then calling them future benefit scroungers. It is this sort of hate media that needs to be put in the dock. By the same logic any person losing a job via none of their own fault gets the same label Bob, maybe you are not even in the job market ? but we look forward to if or when you lose yours we can hang that label on you.. Benefit scrounging scum should stick together !.
Mervyn, it's satire. It's a spoof. I admit that it lacks the necessary wit or finesse, (like all the posts under that pseudonym), to be quality satire but I'm afraid that is what it is intended to be.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: The JSA is not intended to be someone's "livelihood". It is supposed to be a safety net whilst they are looking for employment, hence the name "Job Seeker's Allowance". The interviews are not job interviews, but rather designed to ensure claimantts are actively seeking work and to help them in that endeavour. The sanctions you mention are not imposed as a result of someone arriving 5 minutes late but in the event of one of the claimant not attending an interview at all. Whilst tax avoidance is something that needs to be addressed, this is a completely separate issue to sanctions imposed in relation to JSA claims.[/p][/quote]No one is sanctioned for turning up 5 minutes late It is not unreasonable that people should be expected to turn up for interviews What do you think would happen if you were in a job and kept turning up late? I am sure there are quite a few people upset that they now have to make a bit of effort to claim their JSA but that is not unreasonable[/p][/quote]A further report has been published, indicating the true reason people especially in Wales are late signing on is because they are lazy. The 650 odd future benefit scroungers in the bakery in Rogerstone should be sanctioned on their first day of signing on. They would have known for some time , about 6 months in fact ) that the factory is closing and have had ample time to find alternative employment. The fact they will be signing on and srounging indicates they have not tried hard enough. Rules should be introduced taking factors like this into account, and sanctions introduced accordingly[/p][/quote]Outrageous response to 650 people losing their jobs, then calling them future benefit scroungers. It is this sort of hate media that needs to be put in the dock. By the same logic any person losing a job via none of their own fault gets the same label Bob, maybe you are not even in the job market ? but we look forward to if or when you lose yours we can hang that label on you.. Benefit scrounging scum should stick together !.[/p][/quote]Mervyn, it's satire. It's a spoof. I admit that it lacks the necessary wit or finesse, (like all the posts under that pseudonym), to be quality satire but I'm afraid that is what it is intended to be. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 2

9:17am Sun 20 Apr 14

smokintheweed says...

coalpicker wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
coalpicker wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Is it really too much to ask to be on time for an interview. If that was an interview for a job would you be late for that?

Did you call to say you'd be late?

If you can't display enough commitment to be somewhere on time why should the tax payer fund your life?
After waiting nearly three weeks for a GP appointment you are lucky if it is only Fortfive minutes late , last month after a nine month wait a consultants appointment he was three hours late. In my youth five minutes late you went to the bottom of the pile .Watching TV channel five I saw Romanians who had never paid a penny into the system getting a house ,health care and all the
other benefits. I would submit if foreigners are able to tap into British tax payer money we should not begrudge our own .If this post makes me Racist
so be it.
You form your opinions from documentaries on Channel 5? Scary.
On the skunk again old son ?Where do you get your information, the Imam
or perhaps straight from the horses mouth ,the one that flew up to heaven ?
What I don't get is why you automatically think I am a Muslim. We all know where your priorities lie though so that comes as no surprise.
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Is it really too much to ask to be on time for an interview. If that was an interview for a job would you be late for that? Did you call to say you'd be late? If you can't display enough commitment to be somewhere on time why should the tax payer fund your life?[/p][/quote]After waiting nearly three weeks for a GP appointment you are lucky if it is only Fortfive minutes late , last month after a nine month wait a consultants appointment he was three hours late. In my youth five minutes late you went to the bottom of the pile .Watching TV channel five I saw Romanians who had never paid a penny into the system getting a house ,health care and all the other benefits. I would submit if foreigners are able to tap into British tax payer money we should not begrudge our own .If this post makes me Racist so be it.[/p][/quote]You form your opinions from documentaries on Channel 5? Scary.[/p][/quote]On the skunk again old son ?Where do you get your information, the Imam or perhaps straight from the horses mouth ,the one that flew up to heaven ?[/p][/quote]What I don't get is why you automatically think I am a Muslim. We all know where your priorities lie though so that comes as no surprise. smokintheweed
  • Score: 2

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