Health theft

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I READ with horror in today’s press about BUPA paying their customers to use the NHS for heart cancer and obstetrics treatment up to £2,000 each, rather than going to their private hospitals. Surely this is fraud; they are charging their customers for private health care, and cheating the taxpayers into subsidising their vast profits.

It’s time to end this theft from taxpayers. Surely the remedy is simple: don’t treat anyone with private health care insurance ahead of NHS patients, make them go on the waiting list, or abolish private medicine altogether.

That was the one mistake when the NHS was founded. If these people weren’t allowed to rob the NHS it would be possible to treat far more people and give the nurses and underpaid staff the decent rise which they richly deserve.

Ann Poyser Stockton Road Newport

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12:48pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

What in heavens name are you on about? For a start, people with private health insurance also pay tax and NI so are as entitled to use the NHS as everyone else. Secondly, by being treated in private hospitals they free up NHS beds. Thirdly, they pay insurance premium tax on their policies which goes into government coffers. So in your loony leftie world you'd ban people spending money they've earned and paid tax on, on their own healthcare? Would you give free healthcare to people who choose not to work and live off the state? Probably. Absolutely totally barking. Lord protect us from mad socialists.
What in heavens name are you on about? For a start, people with private health insurance also pay tax and NI so are as entitled to use the NHS as everyone else. Secondly, by being treated in private hospitals they free up NHS beds. Thirdly, they pay insurance premium tax on their policies which goes into government coffers. So in your loony leftie world you'd ban people spending money they've earned and paid tax on, on their own healthcare? Would you give free healthcare to people who choose not to work and live off the state? Probably. Absolutely totally barking. Lord protect us from mad socialists. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 6

1:00pm Tue 15 Apr 14

throwy1 says...

I haven't read the Press report, but, from the way Ms Poyser has written it would appear to be misleading. I have had Private Health Care through my employer for many years and the Rules are quite simple. If I need medical treatment I can have it at a time to suit me in the private hospital within my price bandwidth. If there isn't a bed within the hospital I nominate at the time I want I can use a N.H.S. Hospital and my Private Healthcare will pay me an amount from £600 -£2000 per day for the duration of my stay depending on my price bandwidth. Its all in the Rules before you sign up.
I haven't read the Press report, but, from the way Ms Poyser has written it would appear to be misleading. I have had Private Health Care through my employer for many years and the Rules are quite simple. If I need medical treatment I can have it at a time to suit me in the private hospital within my price bandwidth. If there isn't a bed within the hospital I nominate at the time I want I can use a N.H.S. Hospital and my Private Healthcare will pay me an amount from £600 -£2000 per day for the duration of my stay depending on my price bandwidth. Its all in the Rules before you sign up. throwy1
  • Score: 5

1:07pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

throwy1 wrote:
I haven't read the Press report, but, from the way Ms Poyser has written it would appear to be misleading. I have had Private Health Care through my employer for many years and the Rules are quite simple. If I need medical treatment I can have it at a time to suit me in the private hospital within my price bandwidth. If there isn't a bed within the hospital I nominate at the time I want I can use a N.H.S. Hospital and my Private Healthcare will pay me an amount from £600 -£2000 per day for the duration of my stay depending on my price bandwidth. Its all in the Rules before you sign up.
You are paying benefit in kind tax on that insurance so you're in effect paying twice. A grasp of the facts isn't Ms P's strongest suit.
[quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: I haven't read the Press report, but, from the way Ms Poyser has written it would appear to be misleading. I have had Private Health Care through my employer for many years and the Rules are quite simple. If I need medical treatment I can have it at a time to suit me in the private hospital within my price bandwidth. If there isn't a bed within the hospital I nominate at the time I want I can use a N.H.S. Hospital and my Private Healthcare will pay me an amount from £600 -£2000 per day for the duration of my stay depending on my price bandwidth. Its all in the Rules before you sign up.[/p][/quote]You are paying benefit in kind tax on that insurance so you're in effect paying twice. A grasp of the facts isn't Ms P's strongest suit. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

4:03pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Stevenboy says...

I love the way Ms Poynser mentions BUPA's 'vast profits'. There are no shareholders and any 'profit' is reinvested in the business. My biggest worry is that people with such a limited grasp of the facts are allowed to vote at all. I think you can guess which party they vote for though. Nodding donkeys come to mind.
I love the way Ms Poynser mentions BUPA's 'vast profits'. There are no shareholders and any 'profit' is reinvested in the business. My biggest worry is that people with such a limited grasp of the facts are allowed to vote at all. I think you can guess which party they vote for though. Nodding donkeys come to mind. Stevenboy
  • Score: 6

10:40pm Tue 15 Apr 14

scraptheWAG says...

mm yes but can the BUPA policy holders insist on going with them I would imagine so, the more people that take out private health care the better as it frees up resources for people like myself that do not have it and rely on the NHS

So come on all the wealthy and sign up!!
mm yes but can the BUPA policy holders insist on going with them I would imagine so, the more people that take out private health care the better as it frees up resources for people like myself that do not have it and rely on the NHS So come on all the wealthy and sign up!! scraptheWAG
  • Score: 0

12:29pm Wed 16 Apr 14

throwy1 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
throwy1 wrote:
I haven't read the Press report, but, from the way Ms Poyser has written it would appear to be misleading. I have had Private Health Care through my employer for many years and the Rules are quite simple. If I need medical treatment I can have it at a time to suit me in the private hospital within my price bandwidth. If there isn't a bed within the hospital I nominate at the time I want I can use a N.H.S. Hospital and my Private Healthcare will pay me an amount from £600 -£2000 per day for the duration of my stay depending on my price bandwidth. Its all in the Rules before you sign up.
You are paying benefit in kind tax on that insurance so you're in effect paying twice. A grasp of the facts isn't Ms P's strongest suit.
I would agree that one does pay twice in effect as you pay N.I. which helps fund the N.H.S. and there is an element of Benefit in kind applied to my personal tax code. However, if I do need to use the service and have to use a N.H.S. hospital the monies I receive back from the Private Health Insurance far out weighs the amount I lose in code deduction and goes a heck of a way to cover my N.I. costs. The great advantage I have is choosing when and to a degree where I go for my treatment and avoiding N.H.S. waiting lists.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: I haven't read the Press report, but, from the way Ms Poyser has written it would appear to be misleading. I have had Private Health Care through my employer for many years and the Rules are quite simple. If I need medical treatment I can have it at a time to suit me in the private hospital within my price bandwidth. If there isn't a bed within the hospital I nominate at the time I want I can use a N.H.S. Hospital and my Private Healthcare will pay me an amount from £600 -£2000 per day for the duration of my stay depending on my price bandwidth. Its all in the Rules before you sign up.[/p][/quote]You are paying benefit in kind tax on that insurance so you're in effect paying twice. A grasp of the facts isn't Ms P's strongest suit.[/p][/quote]I would agree that one does pay twice in effect as you pay N.I. which helps fund the N.H.S. and there is an element of Benefit in kind applied to my personal tax code. However, if I do need to use the service and have to use a N.H.S. hospital the monies I receive back from the Private Health Insurance far out weighs the amount I lose in code deduction and goes a heck of a way to cover my N.I. costs. The great advantage I have is choosing when and to a degree where I go for my treatment and avoiding N.H.S. waiting lists. throwy1
  • Score: -1

3:11pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Bobevans says...

Any one taking out private health insurance is saving the NHS money. The government also taxes them for doing so and they still pay full NHS contributions

I find it strange that some people find it an issue that people save the NHS money
Any one taking out private health insurance is saving the NHS money. The government also taxes them for doing so and they still pay full NHS contributions I find it strange that some people find it an issue that people save the NHS money Bobevans
  • Score: 0

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