Good or bad?

A HUGE majority of Welsh people do not want Scotland to vote for independence and think it would be bad for Wales, the results of an exclusive poll have revealed. The results of the A YouGov survey, which questioned more than 1,000 Welsh adults on how they would vote, found that 62 per cent answered ‘No’ when asked if Scotland should be independent, with just 16 per cent saying ‘Yes’ to independence As an independent Scotland would mean fewer Labour MPs at Westminster and would give us a Tory majority. Labour would never win a general election again to form a single government.

Here in Wales, people complained about the poll tax, the coal mines closing, the illegal wars, the Tory cuts and the bedroom tax. Still they vote to stay within the union and vote for unionist parties. A future independent Scotland wouldn’t complaining about any of the above and neither would an independent Wales.

Andrew Nutt Heolddu Rd, Bargoed

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1:41pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Frankfurt says...

It is true that if Scotland exits the UK that it will make a big difference to Wales and I can understand Welsh people not wishing Scotland to leave. But that's up to the Scots. If they decide to leave then it will put some pressure on Wales to do the same especially if a Conservative/UKIP dominated government in London took the UK out of the EU.
It is true that if Scotland exits the UK that it will make a big difference to Wales and I can understand Welsh people not wishing Scotland to leave. But that's up to the Scots. If they decide to leave then it will put some pressure on Wales to do the same especially if a Conservative/UKIP dominated government in London took the UK out of the EU. Frankfurt
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2:04pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Frankfurt wrote:
It is true that if Scotland exits the UK that it will make a big difference to Wales and I can understand Welsh people not wishing Scotland to leave. But that's up to the Scots. If they decide to leave then it will put some pressure on Wales to do the same especially if a Conservative/UKIP dominated government in London took the UK out of the EU.
Are you serious? Where would the money to plug the £10Billion annual Welsh defecit come from? Wales is not Scotland. It has no oil, no financial sector, an unusually high number of Westminster owned civil service jobs (like ONS and DVLA etc) which would be repatriated and a dearth of higher rate tax payers. You couldn't milk the higher rate payers here anyway since they would move to a better off England. This is a good read:
http://www.walesonli
ne.co.uk/news/wales-
news/wales-not-tax-b
ase-follow-2028389
[quote][p][bold]Frankfurt[/bold] wrote: It is true that if Scotland exits the UK that it will make a big difference to Wales and I can understand Welsh people not wishing Scotland to leave. But that's up to the Scots. If they decide to leave then it will put some pressure on Wales to do the same especially if a Conservative/UKIP dominated government in London took the UK out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Are you serious? Where would the money to plug the £10Billion annual Welsh defecit come from? Wales is not Scotland. It has no oil, no financial sector, an unusually high number of Westminster owned civil service jobs (like ONS and DVLA etc) which would be repatriated and a dearth of higher rate tax payers. You couldn't milk the higher rate payers here anyway since they would move to a better off England. This is a good read: http://www.walesonli ne.co.uk/news/wales- news/wales-not-tax-b ase-follow-2028389 Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 8

2:54pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Frankfurt says...

Yes I'm serious. I'm serious in saying that without Scotland the UK will be a very different country and Wales will be much affected by this change. I hope the Scots don't go but if they do we in Wales have to think our position through as well. The conclusion might well be to remain in the UK for the reasons you give but when you consider that the biggest private sector employer in Wales is now Airbus, any threat to continuing EU membership could have serious consequences for us.
Yes I'm serious. I'm serious in saying that without Scotland the UK will be a very different country and Wales will be much affected by this change. I hope the Scots don't go but if they do we in Wales have to think our position through as well. The conclusion might well be to remain in the UK for the reasons you give but when you consider that the biggest private sector employer in Wales is now Airbus, any threat to continuing EU membership could have serious consequences for us. Frankfurt
  • Score: 1

3:45pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Stevenboy says...

Frankfurt wrote:
Yes I'm serious. I'm serious in saying that without Scotland the UK will be a very different country and Wales will be much affected by this change. I hope the Scots don't go but if they do we in Wales have to think our position through as well. The conclusion might well be to remain in the UK for the reasons you give but when you consider that the biggest private sector employer in Wales is now Airbus, any threat to continuing EU membership could have serious consequences for us.
Hmm, being part of a Conservative and prosperous UK or going it alone and starving in a bankrupt banana republic. Can I phone a friend?
[quote][p][bold]Frankfurt[/bold] wrote: Yes I'm serious. I'm serious in saying that without Scotland the UK will be a very different country and Wales will be much affected by this change. I hope the Scots don't go but if they do we in Wales have to think our position through as well. The conclusion might well be to remain in the UK for the reasons you give but when you consider that the biggest private sector employer in Wales is now Airbus, any threat to continuing EU membership could have serious consequences for us.[/p][/quote]Hmm, being part of a Conservative and prosperous UK or going it alone and starving in a bankrupt banana republic. Can I phone a friend? Stevenboy
  • Score: 5

4:30pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Mervyn James says...

Stevenboy wrote:
Frankfurt wrote:
Yes I'm serious. I'm serious in saying that without Scotland the UK will be a very different country and Wales will be much affected by this change. I hope the Scots don't go but if they do we in Wales have to think our position through as well. The conclusion might well be to remain in the UK for the reasons you give but when you consider that the biggest private sector employer in Wales is now Airbus, any threat to continuing EU membership could have serious consequences for us.
Hmm, being part of a Conservative and prosperous UK or going it alone and starving in a bankrupt banana republic. Can I phone a friend?
I don't feel all that prosperous via the Conservative coalition (NOT government, they were not majority elected), at the moment and neither does anyone else, except those in the SE of England, otherwise its 'no business as usual' here. The Euro is most of our problems at present with their open-door policy to migrant workers taking what jobs there are, we can compete given a fair platform, but we aren't getting that platform from a biased and badly-run Europe and subject to a whole raft of silly and biased laws emanating from their faceless wonders guaranteed to undermine the UK. For banana republic read Europe, except they want square ones as a norm ! They have 26 old pals who just vote us down, so not even a democracy. Better out than in I say.
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankfurt[/bold] wrote: Yes I'm serious. I'm serious in saying that without Scotland the UK will be a very different country and Wales will be much affected by this change. I hope the Scots don't go but if they do we in Wales have to think our position through as well. The conclusion might well be to remain in the UK for the reasons you give but when you consider that the biggest private sector employer in Wales is now Airbus, any threat to continuing EU membership could have serious consequences for us.[/p][/quote]Hmm, being part of a Conservative and prosperous UK or going it alone and starving in a bankrupt banana republic. Can I phone a friend?[/p][/quote]I don't feel all that prosperous via the Conservative coalition (NOT government, they were not majority elected), at the moment and neither does anyone else, except those in the SE of England, otherwise its 'no business as usual' here. The Euro is most of our problems at present with their open-door policy to migrant workers taking what jobs there are, we can compete given a fair platform, but we aren't getting that platform from a biased and badly-run Europe and subject to a whole raft of silly and biased laws emanating from their faceless wonders guaranteed to undermine the UK. For banana republic read Europe, except they want square ones as a norm ! They have 26 old pals who just vote us down, so not even a democracy. Better out than in I say. Mervyn James
  • Score: -5

5:23pm Tue 22 Apr 14

DraigDun says...

With or without Scotland, an independent Wales or not, in the EU or not, the general public will ALWAYS find something to complain about.
Rather than predicting which political party will 'win' which constituencies or making sweeping statements like "The Euro is most of our problems", what we really need to do is consider the specifics of policies and analyse the facts before spewing out absolute opinions on who's right/wrong.
I think Frankfurt makes a fair comment above, suggesting that Scotland leaving the union would make a big difference to Wales. Of course, what really matters is how that difference might be perceived.
With or without Scotland, an independent Wales or not, in the EU or not, the general public will ALWAYS find something to complain about. Rather than predicting which political party will 'win' which constituencies or making sweeping statements like "The Euro is most of our problems", what we really need to do is consider the specifics of policies and analyse the facts before spewing out absolute opinions on who's right/wrong. I think Frankfurt makes a fair comment above, suggesting that Scotland leaving the union would make a big difference to Wales. Of course, what really matters is how that difference might be perceived. DraigDun
  • Score: 7

9:46pm Tue 22 Apr 14

scraptheWAG says...

a independent wales that is funney perhaps we could export the welsh tongue lol
a independent wales that is funney perhaps we could export the welsh tongue lol scraptheWAG
  • Score: 1

10:59pm Tue 22 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

Wales is still rich with coal natural gas, both are being imported from unstable countries. Wales has a wealth of well educated, hard working and self motivated people. Welsh dragons with Welsh sheep as their leaders. Some readers just haven't got the confidence and belief in Wales and its people. Listening too much to the put downers from London, MP who are afraid of losing their jobs and a Labour party afraid they will never former future governments in ENGLAND.
Wales is still rich with coal natural gas, both are being imported from unstable countries. Wales has a wealth of well educated, hard working and self motivated people. Welsh dragons with Welsh sheep as their leaders. Some readers just haven't got the confidence and belief in Wales and its people. Listening too much to the put downers from London, MP who are afraid of losing their jobs and a Labour party afraid they will never former future governments in ENGLAND. pwlldu
  • Score: -5

10:54am Wed 23 Apr 14

Mervyn James says...

pwlldu wrote:
Wales is still rich with coal natural gas, both are being imported from unstable countries. Wales has a wealth of well educated, hard working and self motivated people. Welsh dragons with Welsh sheep as their leaders. Some readers just haven't got the confidence and belief in Wales and its people. Listening too much to the put downers from London, MP who are afraid of losing their jobs and a Labour party afraid they will never former future governments in ENGLAND.
I'm not bothered as long as there is no Tory government in Wales. When we are more devolved MP's will all get the sack anyway, we don't need dual representations in very area just so Welsh MP's can help themselves to the troughs of London. We can save more money by dumping the next lot who are hoping to make dosh from being European reps, where the troughs are even larger.....we don't need them either, what is the point of having THREE sets of reps ? Kinnock and Spouse made a few million sitting there doing nothing at all.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Wales is still rich with coal natural gas, both are being imported from unstable countries. Wales has a wealth of well educated, hard working and self motivated people. Welsh dragons with Welsh sheep as their leaders. Some readers just haven't got the confidence and belief in Wales and its people. Listening too much to the put downers from London, MP who are afraid of losing their jobs and a Labour party afraid they will never former future governments in ENGLAND.[/p][/quote]I'm not bothered as long as there is no Tory government in Wales. When we are more devolved MP's will all get the sack anyway, we don't need dual representations in very area just so Welsh MP's can help themselves to the troughs of London. We can save more money by dumping the next lot who are hoping to make dosh from being European reps, where the troughs are even larger.....we don't need them either, what is the point of having THREE sets of reps ? Kinnock and Spouse made a few million sitting there doing nothing at all. Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

11:10am Wed 23 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

An independant Scotland could have a referendum whether to join the EU. That is more than what we can have.
An independant Scotland could have a referendum whether to join the EU. That is more than what we can have. pwlldu
  • Score: 0

12:02pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Stevenboy wrote:
Frankfurt wrote:
Yes I'm serious. I'm serious in saying that without Scotland the UK will be a very different country and Wales will be much affected by this change. I hope the Scots don't go but if they do we in Wales have to think our position through as well. The conclusion might well be to remain in the UK for the reasons you give but when you consider that the biggest private sector employer in Wales is now Airbus, any threat to continuing EU membership could have serious consequences for us.
Hmm, being part of a Conservative and prosperous UK or going it alone and starving in a bankrupt banana republic. Can I phone a friend?
I don't feel all that prosperous via the Conservative coalition (NOT government, they were not majority elected), at the moment and neither does anyone else, except those in the SE of England, otherwise its 'no business as usual' here. The Euro is most of our problems at present with their open-door policy to migrant workers taking what jobs there are, we can compete given a fair platform, but we aren't getting that platform from a biased and badly-run Europe and subject to a whole raft of silly and biased laws emanating from their faceless wonders guaranteed to undermine the UK. For banana republic read Europe, except they want square ones as a norm ! They have 26 old pals who just vote us down, so not even a democracy. Better out than in I say.
Don't judge everyone by your own standards, business is booming for some of us.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankfurt[/bold] wrote: Yes I'm serious. I'm serious in saying that without Scotland the UK will be a very different country and Wales will be much affected by this change. I hope the Scots don't go but if they do we in Wales have to think our position through as well. The conclusion might well be to remain in the UK for the reasons you give but when you consider that the biggest private sector employer in Wales is now Airbus, any threat to continuing EU membership could have serious consequences for us.[/p][/quote]Hmm, being part of a Conservative and prosperous UK or going it alone and starving in a bankrupt banana republic. Can I phone a friend?[/p][/quote]I don't feel all that prosperous via the Conservative coalition (NOT government, they were not majority elected), at the moment and neither does anyone else, except those in the SE of England, otherwise its 'no business as usual' here. The Euro is most of our problems at present with their open-door policy to migrant workers taking what jobs there are, we can compete given a fair platform, but we aren't getting that platform from a biased and badly-run Europe and subject to a whole raft of silly and biased laws emanating from their faceless wonders guaranteed to undermine the UK. For banana republic read Europe, except they want square ones as a norm ! They have 26 old pals who just vote us down, so not even a democracy. Better out than in I say.[/p][/quote]Don't judge everyone by your own standards, business is booming for some of us. Good Job No Kids
  • Score: 2

12:41pm Wed 23 Apr 14

throwy1 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
a independent wales that is funney perhaps we could export the welsh tongue lol
We already do export the Welsh language.
If you ask any Male choir based in wales they will tell you they are always asked to sing in Welsh be it in England, America or anywhere else for that matter.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: a independent wales that is funney perhaps we could export the welsh tongue lol[/p][/quote]We already do export the Welsh language. If you ask any Male choir based in wales they will tell you they are always asked to sing in Welsh be it in England, America or anywhere else for that matter. throwy1
  • Score: -2

12:59pm Wed 23 Apr 14

welshmen says...

pwlldu wrote:
Wales is still rich with coal natural gas, both are being imported from unstable countries. Wales has a wealth of well educated, hard working and self motivated people. Welsh dragons with Welsh sheep as their leaders. Some readers just haven't got the confidence and belief in Wales and its people. Listening too much to the put downers from London, MP who are afraid of losing their jobs and a Labour party afraid they will never former future governments in ENGLAND.
Plaid Cymru, Labour in suites waving Commie Red Flags....Still believing the same old lies, priceless, clueless and useless, Ukip the Party to put Wales back in charge, leaders not the lead....
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Wales is still rich with coal natural gas, both are being imported from unstable countries. Wales has a wealth of well educated, hard working and self motivated people. Welsh dragons with Welsh sheep as their leaders. Some readers just haven't got the confidence and belief in Wales and its people. Listening too much to the put downers from London, MP who are afraid of losing their jobs and a Labour party afraid they will never former future governments in ENGLAND.[/p][/quote]Plaid Cymru, Labour in suites waving Commie Red Flags....Still believing the same old lies, priceless, clueless and useless, Ukip the Party to put Wales back in charge, leaders not the lead.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

1:32pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

throwy1 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
a independent wales that is funney perhaps we could export the welsh tongue lol
We already do export the Welsh language.
If you ask any Male choir based in wales they will tell you they are always asked to sing in Welsh be it in England, America or anywhere else for that matter.
That'll solve Wales' debt then.
[quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: a independent wales that is funney perhaps we could export the welsh tongue lol[/p][/quote]We already do export the Welsh language. If you ask any Male choir based in wales they will tell you they are always asked to sing in Welsh be it in England, America or anywhere else for that matter.[/p][/quote]That'll solve Wales' debt then. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

1:53pm Wed 23 Apr 14

county mad says...

keeping the clueless incompetent failures outr of power best thing that could ever happen
keeping the clueless incompetent failures outr of power best thing that could ever happen county mad
  • Score: -1

2:39pm Wed 23 Apr 14

ollie72 says...

If we had to survive without England, we would - but I can't imagine it would be best for either party.

We have natural reserves to sell (coal, gas) Great brands (Welsh gold, Welsh lamb), and have windy hillsides to place wind turbines and solar farms to provide/sell power. Also, let's not forget that Wales exports vast amounts of water to England, and this would be chargeable between sovereign nations.

We have good links to Scotland, Ireland and the rest of the world from several deep water ports, a low population density (so we can give more land to agriculture), and a strong tourist industry.

If Iceland can get by with 300,000 people, we can get by with 3 million...
If we had to survive without England, we would - but I can't imagine it would be best for either party. We have natural reserves to sell (coal, gas) Great brands (Welsh gold, Welsh lamb), and have windy hillsides to place wind turbines and solar farms to provide/sell power. Also, let's not forget that Wales exports vast amounts of water to England, and this would be chargeable between sovereign nations. We have good links to Scotland, Ireland and the rest of the world from several deep water ports, a low population density (so we can give more land to agriculture), and a strong tourist industry. If Iceland can get by with 300,000 people, we can get by with 3 million... ollie72
  • Score: 2

5:17pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

ollie72 wrote:
If we had to survive without England, we would - but I can't imagine it would be best for either party.

We have natural reserves to sell (coal, gas) Great brands (Welsh gold, Welsh lamb), and have windy hillsides to place wind turbines and solar farms to provide/sell power. Also, let's not forget that Wales exports vast amounts of water to England, and this would be chargeable between sovereign nations.

We have good links to Scotland, Ireland and the rest of the world from several deep water ports, a low population density (so we can give more land to agriculture), and a strong tourist industry.

If Iceland can get by with 300,000 people, we can get by with 3 million...
The deficit is £10 billion as things stand. And that starts ticking from day 1 after independence. Can you imagine that day in a new Wales Central Bank? You can't borrow and you can't get it from tax. Over to you then.
[quote][p][bold]ollie72[/bold] wrote: If we had to survive without England, we would - but I can't imagine it would be best for either party. We have natural reserves to sell (coal, gas) Great brands (Welsh gold, Welsh lamb), and have windy hillsides to place wind turbines and solar farms to provide/sell power. Also, let's not forget that Wales exports vast amounts of water to England, and this would be chargeable between sovereign nations. We have good links to Scotland, Ireland and the rest of the world from several deep water ports, a low population density (so we can give more land to agriculture), and a strong tourist industry. If Iceland can get by with 300,000 people, we can get by with 3 million...[/p][/quote]The deficit is £10 billion as things stand. And that starts ticking from day 1 after independence. Can you imagine that day in a new Wales Central Bank? You can't borrow and you can't get it from tax. Over to you then. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

7:55pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Frankfurt says...

Well maybe not. The attribution of UK tax revenues to individual countries is problematic. For example, income tax is allotted according to post codes of tax-payers. But significant parts of Wales have Shrewsbury and Chester postcodes and it is not clear whether this has been taken into account in allocating tax revenues to Wales. There are obvious difficulties in sharing out corporation tax for companies head quartered in London who would pay tax in Wales if Wales was independent. Also if I pay VAT on the web when I buy something does that get allocated to Wales? And so on. If you simply share out UK tax revenues on the basis of population and just assume that one way or another an independent Wales could raise that much in tax then the tax take would be £21m p.a. This compares with Gerald Holtham's estimate of £25m spent by government in Wales. So the true deficit may not be near the £10m quoted. Also the UK is running a deficit of £2000 per citizen annually. If Wales could do that then that would add another £6m to annual spending ability. I'm not attempting to present a case for independence but I am trying to show that these figures can be concocted to prove any case you want.
Well maybe not. The attribution of UK tax revenues to individual countries is problematic. For example, income tax is allotted according to post codes of tax-payers. But significant parts of Wales have Shrewsbury and Chester postcodes and it is not clear whether this has been taken into account in allocating tax revenues to Wales. There are obvious difficulties in sharing out corporation tax for companies head quartered in London who would pay tax in Wales if Wales was independent. Also if I pay VAT on the web when I buy something does that get allocated to Wales? And so on. If you simply share out UK tax revenues on the basis of population and just assume that one way or another an independent Wales could raise that much in tax then the tax take would be £21m p.a. This compares with Gerald Holtham's estimate of £25m spent by government in Wales. So the true deficit may not be near the £10m quoted. Also the UK is running a deficit of £2000 per citizen annually. If Wales could do that then that would add another £6m to annual spending ability. I'm not attempting to present a case for independence but I am trying to show that these figures can be concocted to prove any case you want. Frankfurt
  • Score: 1

8:15pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Frankfurt says...

Sorry. References in my post above to £m should, of course, be to £billion.
Sorry. References in my post above to £m should, of course, be to £billion. Frankfurt
  • Score: 0

8:17pm Wed 23 Apr 14

ollie72 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
ollie72 wrote:
If we had to survive without England, we would - but I can't imagine it would be best for either party.

We have natural reserves to sell (coal, gas) Great brands (Welsh gold, Welsh lamb), and have windy hillsides to place wind turbines and solar farms to provide/sell power. Also, let's not forget that Wales exports vast amounts of water to England, and this would be chargeable between sovereign nations.

We have good links to Scotland, Ireland and the rest of the world from several deep water ports, a low population density (so we can give more land to agriculture), and a strong tourist industry.

If Iceland can get by with 300,000 people, we can get by with 3 million...
The deficit is £10 billion as things stand. And that starts ticking from day 1 after independence. Can you imagine that day in a new Wales Central Bank? You can't borrow and you can't get it from tax. Over to you then.
Actually, the UK deficit is approximately growing by £100B per annum. If you just simply factor in a per capita calculation, that means Wales' share of that (as slightly over 4% of the UK population) is £4.5B

That is a deficit per head of £1,500 per annum. Not insurmountable.

However, as Frankfurt says above, I'm not trying to put a case for independence - just saying that we would not all die of starvation/bubonic plague if we left the mighty England...
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ollie72[/bold] wrote: If we had to survive without England, we would - but I can't imagine it would be best for either party. We have natural reserves to sell (coal, gas) Great brands (Welsh gold, Welsh lamb), and have windy hillsides to place wind turbines and solar farms to provide/sell power. Also, let's not forget that Wales exports vast amounts of water to England, and this would be chargeable between sovereign nations. We have good links to Scotland, Ireland and the rest of the world from several deep water ports, a low population density (so we can give more land to agriculture), and a strong tourist industry. If Iceland can get by with 300,000 people, we can get by with 3 million...[/p][/quote]The deficit is £10 billion as things stand. And that starts ticking from day 1 after independence. Can you imagine that day in a new Wales Central Bank? You can't borrow and you can't get it from tax. Over to you then.[/p][/quote]Actually, the UK deficit is approximately growing by £100B per annum. If you just simply factor in a per capita calculation, that means Wales' share of that (as slightly over 4% of the UK population) is £4.5B That is a deficit per head of £1,500 per annum. Not insurmountable. However, as Frankfurt says above, I'm not trying to put a case for independence - just saying that we would not all die of starvation/bubonic plague if we left the mighty England... ollie72
  • Score: 3

7:25am Thu 24 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Frankfurt wrote:
Well maybe not. The attribution of UK tax revenues to individual countries is problematic. For example, income tax is allotted according to post codes of tax-payers. But significant parts of Wales have Shrewsbury and Chester postcodes and it is not clear whether this has been taken into account in allocating tax revenues to Wales. There are obvious difficulties in sharing out corporation tax for companies head quartered in London who would pay tax in Wales if Wales was independent. Also if I pay VAT on the web when I buy something does that get allocated to Wales? And so on. If you simply share out UK tax revenues on the basis of population and just assume that one way or another an independent Wales could raise that much in tax then the tax take would be £21m p.a. This compares with Gerald Holtham's estimate of £25m spent by government in Wales. So the true deficit may not be near the £10m quoted. Also the UK is running a deficit of £2000 per citizen annually. If Wales could do that then that would add another £6m to annual spending ability. I'm not attempting to present a case for independence but I am trying to show that these figures can be concocted to prove any case you want.
If you apportioned tax revenues on a per capita basis perhaps but would that calculation not be heavily skewed by the impact of the City and the contribution it makes? That money would remain in England should independence ever happen.
[quote][p][bold]Frankfurt[/bold] wrote: Well maybe not. The attribution of UK tax revenues to individual countries is problematic. For example, income tax is allotted according to post codes of tax-payers. But significant parts of Wales have Shrewsbury and Chester postcodes and it is not clear whether this has been taken into account in allocating tax revenues to Wales. There are obvious difficulties in sharing out corporation tax for companies head quartered in London who would pay tax in Wales if Wales was independent. Also if I pay VAT on the web when I buy something does that get allocated to Wales? And so on. If you simply share out UK tax revenues on the basis of population and just assume that one way or another an independent Wales could raise that much in tax then the tax take would be £21m p.a. This compares with Gerald Holtham's estimate of £25m spent by government in Wales. So the true deficit may not be near the £10m quoted. Also the UK is running a deficit of £2000 per citizen annually. If Wales could do that then that would add another £6m to annual spending ability. I'm not attempting to present a case for independence but I am trying to show that these figures can be concocted to prove any case you want.[/p][/quote]If you apportioned tax revenues on a per capita basis perhaps but would that calculation not be heavily skewed by the impact of the City and the contribution it makes? That money would remain in England should independence ever happen. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 2

2:16pm Sat 26 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

If Latvia can make a success within Europe, why can't an independant Scotland and even Wales do the same.
If Latvia can make a success within Europe, why can't an independant Scotland and even Wales do the same. pwlldu
  • Score: -1

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