Discipline issues

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DISCIPLINE where has it gone? All these do-gooders have completely eradicated it from everyday life.

You do not see it in public places, public transport, not anywhere.

The message seems to be do not scold the child, let them do what they like.

Teachers are afraid to discipline the child misbehaving because they will have the do-gooder parents down on them.

Think about what the future will be.

Mad max comes to mind, glad I won’t be here.

H Morgan Hafod y Bryn Risca

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2:57pm Tue 6 May 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

I wonder, do you 'discipline' adults you see misbehaving?
I wonder, do you 'discipline' adults you see misbehaving? GardenVarietyMushroom
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3:02pm Tue 6 May 14

-trigg- says...

The root of today's discipline problems can be found in the permissive attitudes of the 60s.

Many of those brought up in that decade and later were brought up beleiving that children should be free to "express themselves" without fear of punishment. This has led to a generation of parents who lack the ability to provide the order and stability that children need
The root of today's discipline problems can be found in the permissive attitudes of the 60s. Many of those brought up in that decade and later were brought up beleiving that children should be free to "express themselves" without fear of punishment. This has led to a generation of parents who lack the ability to provide the order and stability that children need -trigg-
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3:21pm Tue 6 May 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

-trigg- wrote:
The root of today's discipline problems can be found in the permissive attitudes of the 60s.

Many of those brought up in that decade and later were brought up beleiving that children should be free to "express themselves" without fear of punishment. This has led to a generation of parents who lack the ability to provide the order and stability that children need
My parents were disciplinarians - and all 'fear of punishment' taught me was how to lie
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: The root of today's discipline problems can be found in the permissive attitudes of the 60s. Many of those brought up in that decade and later were brought up beleiving that children should be free to "express themselves" without fear of punishment. This has led to a generation of parents who lack the ability to provide the order and stability that children need[/p][/quote]My parents were disciplinarians - and all 'fear of punishment' taught me was how to lie GardenVarietyMushroom
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4:21pm Tue 6 May 14

varteg1 says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
I wonder, do you 'discipline' adults you see misbehaving?
Individually by yourself, No you don't, that is why society has a rule book, so that transgressors can be 'disciplined' according to how they contravene the rules.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: I wonder, do you 'discipline' adults you see misbehaving?[/p][/quote]Individually by yourself, No you don't, that is why society has a rule book, so that transgressors can be 'disciplined' according to how they contravene the rules. varteg1
  • Score: 4

8:07pm Tue 6 May 14

welshmen says...

Corporal punishment was halted in our schools in 1987, that was the catalyst for the classroom lawyer to dictate to his teachers that he was their equal, spare the rod spoil the child, now we a reaping the benefits for that stupid decision to stop Corporal punishment....Feral kids cost us Million's....
Corporal punishment was halted in our schools in 1987, that was the catalyst for the classroom lawyer to dictate to his teachers that he was their equal, spare the rod spoil the child, now we a reaping the benefits for that stupid decision to stop Corporal punishment....Feral kids cost us Million's.... welshmen
  • Score: 8

8:14pm Tue 6 May 14

Mervyn James says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
I wonder, do you 'discipline' adults you see misbehaving?
We should do, but like most I don't want to spend the next 6 months on life support or worse because of stepping in. When we get 14/15 yr olds prepared to kill for fun and laws that back them up with a slapped wrist, I am thinking something is very very wrong somewhere where discipline is an excuse for myriads of social do-gooders and human rights leeches to step in and bang us up for life and saying discipline is child abuse. Any idiot who thinks they can discipline by talking to kids is on a hiding to nothing, REALLY !
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: I wonder, do you 'discipline' adults you see misbehaving?[/p][/quote]We should do, but like most I don't want to spend the next 6 months on life support or worse because of stepping in. When we get 14/15 yr olds prepared to kill for fun and laws that back them up with a slapped wrist, I am thinking something is very very wrong somewhere where discipline is an excuse for myriads of social do-gooders and human rights leeches to step in and bang us up for life and saying discipline is child abuse. Any idiot who thinks they can discipline by talking to kids is on a hiding to nothing, REALLY ! Mervyn James
  • Score: 8

12:59pm Wed 7 May 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

varteg1 wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
I wonder, do you 'discipline' adults you see misbehaving?
Individually by yourself, No you don't, that is why society has a rule book, so that transgressors can be 'disciplined' according to how they contravene the rules.
So I wonder - which laws are the majority of children breaking for the letter writer to bemoan the lack of discipline in society?
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: I wonder, do you 'discipline' adults you see misbehaving?[/p][/quote]Individually by yourself, No you don't, that is why society has a rule book, so that transgressors can be 'disciplined' according to how they contravene the rules.[/p][/quote]So I wonder - which laws are the majority of children breaking for the letter writer to bemoan the lack of discipline in society? GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 1

1:23pm Wed 7 May 14

displayed says...

-trigg- wrote:
The root of today's discipline problems can be found in the permissive attitudes of the 60s.

Many of those brought up in that decade and later were brought up beleiving that children should be free to "express themselves" without fear of punishment. This has led to a generation of parents who lack the ability to provide the order and stability that children need
Early today, I saw a young woman being arrested for shoplifting, cursing and struggling, she even spat at her boyfriend, as she was being taken to the van, the police had force her hands up towards her back in order to restrain her.....
Shocking behaviour by a young woman!

When she was put into the police van, she then deliberately hit her head against the back doors, many people saw this.
She was clearly very disturbed, cos she had got caught, she felt she had every rite to steal..........

One wonders how much worse it will get in our city!
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: The root of today's discipline problems can be found in the permissive attitudes of the 60s. Many of those brought up in that decade and later were brought up beleiving that children should be free to "express themselves" without fear of punishment. This has led to a generation of parents who lack the ability to provide the order and stability that children need[/p][/quote]Early today, I saw a young woman being arrested for shoplifting, cursing and struggling, she even spat at her boyfriend, as she was being taken to the van, the police had force her hands up towards her back in order to restrain her..... Shocking behaviour by a young woman! When she was put into the police van, she then deliberately hit her head against the back doors, many people saw this. She was clearly very disturbed, cos she had got caught, she felt she had every rite to steal.......... One wonders how much worse it will get in our city! displayed
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5:43pm Wed 7 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

-trigg- wrote:
The root of today's discipline problems can be found in the permissive attitudes of the 60s.

Many of those brought up in that decade and later were brought up beleiving that children should be free to "express themselves" without fear of punishment. This has led to a generation of parents who lack the ability to provide the order and stability that children need
More likely the rampant individualism of Thatcher and the new right who espoused the notion of right while dismissing out of hand the concepts of duty and collective responsibility.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: The root of today's discipline problems can be found in the permissive attitudes of the 60s. Many of those brought up in that decade and later were brought up beleiving that children should be free to "express themselves" without fear of punishment. This has led to a generation of parents who lack the ability to provide the order and stability that children need[/p][/quote]More likely the rampant individualism of Thatcher and the new right who espoused the notion of right while dismissing out of hand the concepts of duty and collective responsibility. The People's Republic of Newp
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9:03pm Wed 7 May 14

varteg1 says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
I wonder, do you 'discipline' adults you see misbehaving?
Individually by yourself, No you don't, that is why society has a rule book, so that transgressors can be 'disciplined' according to how they contravene the rules.
So I wonder - which laws are the majority of children breaking for the letter writer to bemoan the lack of discipline in society?
There may be few actual penal laws being breached, but I think the original message referred to overall basic 'rules' of society that have been accepted as the Norm over many decades.

The lack of discipllne which was and probably still is,,instilled in the vast majority of kids regarding the appreciation of the privacy of others, the right of others to not have their property damaged, the good behaviour that does not impact on the elder generation the discipline that accorded respect to all around, by not causing disturbance and annoyance when making a nuisance, or by using foul language, often at the top of the voice, the bad mannered disregard for the general comfort of people not of their own family, even to their own family members.,

The disrespect by a very small minority who disrupt class, making the teachers life intolerable, and then to be, in effect, supported by parents without any sort of discipline, or respect themselves, for the rights of others.

All not necessarily breaches of statute law. but sufficient to make life miserable for those who have been legally stripped of any sort of means to rein in such bad behaviour. Then insultingly to find themselves legally censured for reacting to such misbehaviour.

Not an apologist for this modern crowd of misfits by any chance are you?
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: I wonder, do you 'discipline' adults you see misbehaving?[/p][/quote]Individually by yourself, No you don't, that is why society has a rule book, so that transgressors can be 'disciplined' according to how they contravene the rules.[/p][/quote]So I wonder - which laws are the majority of children breaking for the letter writer to bemoan the lack of discipline in society?[/p][/quote]There may be few actual penal laws being breached, but I think the original message referred to overall basic 'rules' of society that have been accepted as the Norm over many decades. The lack of discipllne which was and probably still is,,instilled in the vast majority of kids regarding the appreciation of the privacy of others, the right of others to not have their property damaged, the good behaviour that does not impact on the elder generation the discipline that accorded respect to all around, by not causing disturbance and annoyance when making a nuisance, or by using foul language, often at the top of the voice, the bad mannered disregard for the general comfort of people not of their own family, even to their own family members., The disrespect by a very small minority who disrupt class, making the teachers life intolerable, and then to be, in effect, supported by parents without any sort of discipline, or respect themselves, for the rights of others. All not necessarily breaches of statute law. but sufficient to make life miserable for those who have been legally stripped of any sort of means to rein in such bad behaviour. Then insultingly to find themselves legally censured for reacting to such misbehaviour. Not an apologist for this modern crowd of misfits by any chance are you? varteg1
  • Score: 2

9:24pm Wed 7 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Parents have forgotten how to say NO to their own children. Many parents I know also do not put any emphasis on reasonable bed times on school nights, sit down together meal times and jobs to do before you go out. My children's friends are shocked when they have to come in and wait whilst mine finish the washing up and drying. They really DON'T KNOW how to do it. Children as young as 8 are out until 9pm in our area. My 12 year olds friends are still on oovoo at midnight. It then falls to the teacher to try and teach a bunch of over tired children who eat junk food laced with sugar for breakfast or those who did'nt eat breakfast. Millions are being spent on kids with issues when for a lot of them a decent diet and sleep. It's not the teachers job to discipline alone. They have to try and teach as well. These kids then get to 14 and realise they are getting nowhere and they just keep repeating the cycle. We have gangs of boys and girls roaming endlessly causing noise and destruction untill all hours. Many are dealing 'ten baggies' to customers for money. When you've got the authorities turning out for the fifth time in a night and their telling you that of the 12 teenagers down the lane, 8 are carrying knives in some shape or form but there are'nt any police in the area for the foreseeable future what do you do? The parents don't want to know or care where they are until all hours. That's where the problem lies. Make the parents accountable. They've got family asbos now to punish all of them. About time.
Parents have forgotten how to say NO to their own children. Many parents I know also do not put any emphasis on reasonable bed times on school nights, sit down together meal times and jobs to do before you go out. My children's friends are shocked when they have to come in and wait whilst mine finish the washing up and drying. They really DON'T KNOW how to do it. Children as young as 8 are out until 9pm in our area. My 12 year olds friends are still on oovoo at midnight. It then falls to the teacher to try and teach a bunch of over tired children who eat junk food laced with sugar for breakfast or those who did'nt eat breakfast. Millions are being spent on kids with issues when for a lot of them a decent diet and sleep. It's not the teachers job to discipline alone. They have to try and teach as well. These kids then get to 14 and realise they are getting nowhere and they just keep repeating the cycle. We have gangs of boys and girls roaming endlessly causing noise and destruction untill all hours. Many are dealing 'ten baggies' to customers for money. When you've got the authorities turning out for the fifth time in a night and their telling you that of the 12 teenagers down the lane, 8 are carrying knives in some shape or form but there are'nt any police in the area for the foreseeable future what do you do? The parents don't want to know or care where they are until all hours. That's where the problem lies. Make the parents accountable. They've got family asbos now to punish all of them. About time. landyman3030
  • Score: 7

9:57pm Wed 7 May 14

landyman3030 says...

varteg1 wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo



m
wrote:
I wonder, do you 'discipline' adults you see misbehaving?
Individually by yourself, No you don't, that is why society has a rule book, so that transgressors can be 'disciplined' according to how they contravene the rules.
So I wonder - which laws are the majority of children breaking for the letter writer to bemoan the lack of discipline in society?
There may be few actual penal laws being breached, but I think the original message referred to overall basic 'rules' of society that have been accepted as the Norm over many decades.

The lack of discipllne which was and probably still is,,instilled in the vast majority of kids regarding the appreciation of the privacy of others, the right of others to not have their property damaged, the good behaviour that does not impact on the elder generation the discipline that accorded respect to all around, by not causing disturbance and annoyance when making a nuisance, or by using foul language, often at the top of the voice, the bad mannered disregard for the general comfort of people not of their own family, even to their own family members.,

The disrespect by a very small minority who disrupt class, making the teachers life intolerable, and then to be, in effect, supported by parents without any sort of discipline, or respect themselves, for the rights of others.

All not necessarily breaches of statute law. but sufficient to make life miserable for those who have been legally stripped of any sort of means to rein in such bad behaviour. Then insultingly to find themselves legally censured for reacting to such misbehaviour.

Not an apologist for this modern crowd of misfits by any chance are you?
Could not agree more. I try and try and try to believe that it is the minority that are feral with no discipline or conscience for other people and their beliefs and property. But the stories that come home almost daily with my daughter from comprehensive make me fear for the future. Kids fighting and shouting abuse at teachers in class. Unable to hear lessons because of the noise or not achieving anything because the teacher is trying to maintain order. There is a wonderful word called declassing used now. Removing a child to a detention class during lessons. The only funny thing is that the kids know that if they are put in a special class before lunch they don't have to queue for food in the canteen because it gets sent to them. Whose the daft ones? After that poor teacher was killed it came out that over one thousand assaults on teachers in the class room occurred in Wales last year yet only 22 children were excluded. What does THAT say about us as a society? That is the product of the education system that operates today after numerous political interferences over many years. Everybody has they're hands tied by the bureaucracy that we have created. Discipline and respect for oneself and others MUST be taught in the home from day one. That is what s failing us.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: I wonder, do you 'discipline' adults you see misbehaving?[/p][/quote]Individually by yourself, No you don't, that is why society has a rule book, so that transgressors can be 'disciplined' according to how they contravene the rules.[/p][/quote]So I wonder - which laws are the majority of children breaking for the letter writer to bemoan the lack of discipline in society?[/p][/quote]There may be few actual penal laws being breached, but I think the original message referred to overall basic 'rules' of society that have been accepted as the Norm over many decades. The lack of discipllne which was and probably still is,,instilled in the vast majority of kids regarding the appreciation of the privacy of others, the right of others to not have their property damaged, the good behaviour that does not impact on the elder generation the discipline that accorded respect to all around, by not causing disturbance and annoyance when making a nuisance, or by using foul language, often at the top of the voice, the bad mannered disregard for the general comfort of people not of their own family, even to their own family members., The disrespect by a very small minority who disrupt class, making the teachers life intolerable, and then to be, in effect, supported by parents without any sort of discipline, or respect themselves, for the rights of others. All not necessarily breaches of statute law. but sufficient to make life miserable for those who have been legally stripped of any sort of means to rein in such bad behaviour. Then insultingly to find themselves legally censured for reacting to such misbehaviour. Not an apologist for this modern crowd of misfits by any chance are you?[/p][/quote]Could not agree more. I try and try and try to believe that it is the minority that are feral with no discipline or conscience for other people and their beliefs and property. But the stories that come home almost daily with my daughter from comprehensive make me fear for the future. Kids fighting and shouting abuse at teachers in class. Unable to hear lessons because of the noise or not achieving anything because the teacher is trying to maintain order. There is a wonderful word called declassing used now. Removing a child to a detention class during lessons. The only funny thing is that the kids know that if they are put in a special class before lunch they don't have to queue for food in the canteen because it gets sent to them. Whose the daft ones? After that poor teacher was killed it came out that over one thousand assaults on teachers in the class room occurred in Wales last year yet only 22 children were excluded. What does THAT say about us as a society? That is the product of the education system that operates today after numerous political interferences over many years. Everybody has they're hands tied by the bureaucracy that we have created. Discipline and respect for oneself and others MUST be taught in the home from day one. That is what s failing us. landyman3030
  • Score: 6

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