Mother tongue

I AM fortunate to be one of the 40,000 Welsh speaking residents in Gwent and am pleased to see a growing respect and appreciation for the language since I first came to live here over 50 years ago.

Previously, as a teacher at one of the comprehensive schools I had been admonished for passing the time of day with a Welsh speaking colleague in the staff room and told in no uncertain terms, “You cannot speak that language here!”

I was to hear the same words again when working in an office in the Education Department in County Hall and many more times in this period. It always had the same crushingly demoralising effect although I was always careful to hide my true feelings and my response was to try to explain politely that in the circumstances the use of Welsh was appropriate, as for instance it was when dealing with the WJEC. I feel saddened and disappointed on reading recent letters and articles in this newspaper relating to this issue and appalled to read the considered opinion of the Argus editorial on the matter. More than 20 years have passed since the Language Act of 1991 made it a legal obligation for councils to work towards equality for the Welsh and English languages. It is evident Newport City Council has made little or no effort in 20 plus years towards achieving this goal.

Yvonne Balakrishnan Uplands Farm Pontypool

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12:52pm Wed 7 May 14

-trigg- says...

Yet another advocate for wasting millions on the Welsh language I see.

Somewhat ironic then that a letter praising the alleged growth of this dead language had to be written in English in order for anyone to understand it.
Yet another advocate for wasting millions on the Welsh language I see. Somewhat ironic then that a letter praising the alleged growth of this dead language had to be written in English in order for anyone to understand it. -trigg-
  • Score: 15

1:07pm Wed 7 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

-trigg- wrote:
Yet another advocate for wasting millions on the Welsh language I see.

Somewhat ironic then that a letter praising the alleged growth of this dead language had to be written in English in order for anyone to understand it.
Yes and on the day S4C sees yet further plummeting audiences. It'll soon be cheaper to invite the viewers around to the offices to watch rather than broadcast it.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: Yet another advocate for wasting millions on the Welsh language I see. Somewhat ironic then that a letter praising the alleged growth of this dead language had to be written in English in order for anyone to understand it.[/p][/quote]Yes and on the day S4C sees yet further plummeting audiences. It'll soon be cheaper to invite the viewers around to the offices to watch rather than broadcast it. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 16

1:14pm Wed 7 May 14

Mervyn James says...

I watch S4C every day, never miss it. Just because you don't, that's your choice, respect mine. We write in English because YOU don't understand welsh, of course should you write that way we would respond in kind. These are the type of people who would visit a foreign country and lambast the people there for not speaking English too.

Yr wyf yn gwylio S4C bob dydd, byth yn colli ei. Dim ond oherwydd nad ydych yn ei wneud, dyna eich dewis, parch mwynglawdd. Rydym yn ysgrifennu yn Saesneg am nad ydych yn deall Cymraeg, wrth gwrs dylech ysgrifennu y ffordd honno byddem yn ymateb mewn da. Mae'r rhain yn y math o bobl a fyddai'n ymweld â gwlad dramor ac yn lladd y bobl yno am beidio â siarad Saesneg hefyd.
I watch S4C every day, never miss it. Just because you don't, that's your choice, respect mine. We write in English because YOU don't understand welsh, of course should you write that way we would respond in kind. These are the type of people who would visit a foreign country and lambast the people there for not speaking English too. Yr wyf yn gwylio S4C bob dydd, byth yn colli ei. Dim ond oherwydd nad ydych yn ei wneud, dyna eich dewis, parch mwynglawdd. Rydym yn ysgrifennu yn Saesneg am nad ydych yn deall Cymraeg, wrth gwrs dylech ysgrifennu y ffordd honno byddem yn ymateb mewn da. Mae'r rhain yn y math o bobl a fyddai'n ymweld â gwlad dramor ac yn lladd y bobl yno am beidio â siarad Saesneg hefyd. Mervyn James
  • Score: -13

2:36pm Wed 7 May 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Recent news states that viewing figures of S4C are down by 17%.
Recent news states that viewing figures of S4C are down by 17%. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 14

3:22pm Wed 7 May 14

Banjalucka says...

Merv - give it a rest please. The figures are nonsesnse.
Merv - give it a rest please. The figures are nonsesnse. Banjalucka
  • Score: 3

4:51pm Wed 7 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
I watch S4C every day, never miss it. Just because you don't, that's your choice, respect mine. We write in English because YOU don't understand welsh, of course should you write that way we would respond in kind. These are the type of people who would visit a foreign country and lambast the people there for not speaking English too.

Yr wyf yn gwylio S4C bob dydd, byth yn colli ei. Dim ond oherwydd nad ydych yn ei wneud, dyna eich dewis, parch mwynglawdd. Rydym yn ysgrifennu yn Saesneg am nad ydych yn deall Cymraeg, wrth gwrs dylech ysgrifennu y ffordd honno byddem yn ymateb mewn da. Mae'r rhain yn y math o bobl a fyddai'n ymweld â gwlad dramor ac yn lladd y bobl yno am beidio â siarad Saesneg hefyd.
Well at over £2000 per viewer it's an expensive mockery. And the National Eisteddfodd costing around £600000 from the taxpayer? Your language is neither living, holding its own, nor economically sustainable.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: I watch S4C every day, never miss it. Just because you don't, that's your choice, respect mine. We write in English because YOU don't understand welsh, of course should you write that way we would respond in kind. These are the type of people who would visit a foreign country and lambast the people there for not speaking English too. Yr wyf yn gwylio S4C bob dydd, byth yn colli ei. Dim ond oherwydd nad ydych yn ei wneud, dyna eich dewis, parch mwynglawdd. Rydym yn ysgrifennu yn Saesneg am nad ydych yn deall Cymraeg, wrth gwrs dylech ysgrifennu y ffordd honno byddem yn ymateb mewn da. Mae'r rhain yn y math o bobl a fyddai'n ymweld â gwlad dramor ac yn lladd y bobl yno am beidio â siarad Saesneg hefyd.[/p][/quote]Well at over £2000 per viewer it's an expensive mockery. And the National Eisteddfodd costing around £600000 from the taxpayer? Your language is neither living, holding its own, nor economically sustainable. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 7

6:21pm Wed 7 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Banjalucka wrote:
Merv - give it a rest please. The figures are nonsesnse.
erm...what numbers?I think you are quoting the letter writer not me. As regards to S4C I pay for the licence too, its not free as far as I know. I saw one figure that said there were 25m UKTV licence payers and 562,000 known welsh speakers, in a 3.4m total population of wales...you do the maths,but you don't put a price on culture or language. The UK is bound by European law Not to,and the UK Government recognized its right too.
[quote][p][bold]Banjalucka[/bold] wrote: Merv - give it a rest please. The figures are nonsesnse.[/p][/quote]erm...what numbers?I think you are quoting the letter writer not me. As regards to S4C I pay for the licence too, its not free as far as I know. I saw one figure that said there were 25m UKTV licence payers and 562,000 known welsh speakers, in a 3.4m total population of wales...you do the maths,but you don't put a price on culture or language. The UK is bound by European law Not to,and the UK Government recognized its right too. Mervyn James
  • Score: -6

7:50pm Wed 7 May 14

warrenlewis54@btinternet.com says...

With reference to the recent letter by Yvonne Balakrishnan entitled "Mother Tongue", in which she states that she is one of 40,000 welsh speakers in Gwent. I would like to point out to the SWA readers that this figure derives from ALL the students and school pupils that HAVE TO take this outdated language whether they wish to or not. My argument is not about patriotism but with the huge financial cost to this country, when, as I have stated previously it has no place in the economic modern world. Plaid Cymru has only one obligation and that is to make sure that every, newspaper, food container, TV programme, DVD, music and radio are all in welsh. To this party I challenge them to publish the actual cost per annum to the taxpayers of this country and let the electorate decide on its continuance.
With reference to the recent letter by Yvonne Balakrishnan entitled "Mother Tongue", in which she states that she is one of 40,000 welsh speakers in Gwent. I would like to point out to the SWA readers that this figure derives from ALL the students and school pupils that HAVE TO take this outdated language whether they wish to or not. My argument is not about patriotism but with the huge financial cost to this country, when, as I have stated previously it has no place in the economic modern world. Plaid Cymru has only one obligation and that is to make sure that every, newspaper, food container, TV programme, DVD, music and radio are all in welsh. To this party I challenge them to publish the actual cost per annum to the taxpayers of this country and let the electorate decide on its continuance. warrenlewis54@btinternet.com
  • Score: 7

8:01pm Wed 7 May 14

varteg1 says...

40 K Cymraeg speakers in Gwent?


I wonder how this figure was obtained, it was certainly not gained from the ONS census statistics, which were at best ambiguous, at worst mainly based in mendacious returns.

Such a figure makes claim for around 8% of the population of Gwent area, I would be hard put to find anywhere near that number even considering those few recently out of school with total fluency..
In my own village, (where there is a Ysgol Gymraeg unit) with, a population of around a hundred, I doubt there is even one fluent of any age.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
40 K Cymraeg speakers in Gwent? I wonder how this figure was obtained, it was certainly not gained from the ONS census statistics, which were at best ambiguous, at worst mainly based in mendacious returns. Such a figure makes claim for around 8% of the population of Gwent area, I would be hard put to find anywhere near that number even considering those few recently out of school with total fluency.. In my own village, (where there is a Ysgol Gymraeg unit) with, a population of around a hundred, I doubt there is even one fluent of any age. Lies, damned lies, and statistics. varteg1
  • Score: 5

8:07pm Wed 7 May 14

varteg1 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
I watch S4C every day, never miss it. Just because you don't, that's your choice, respect mine. We write in English because YOU don't understand welsh, of course should you write that way we would respond in kind. These are the type of people who would visit a foreign country and lambast the people there for not speaking English too.

Yr wyf yn gwylio S4C bob dydd, byth yn colli ei. Dim ond oherwydd nad ydych yn ei wneud, dyna eich dewis, parch mwynglawdd. Rydym yn ysgrifennu yn Saesneg am nad ydych yn deall Cymraeg, wrth gwrs dylech ysgrifennu y ffordd honno byddem yn ymateb mewn da. Mae'r rhain yn y math o bobl a fyddai'n ymweld â gwlad dramor ac yn lladd y bobl yno am beidio â siarad Saesneg hefyd.
Well at over £2000 per viewer it's an expensive mockery. And the National Eisteddfodd costing around £600000 from the taxpayer? Your language is neither living, holding its own, nor economically sustainable.
Some viewing statistics give viewing figures so low, (less than a thousand) that the cost comes out at nearly twenty thousand Pounds per viewer for that transmission.

It seems the only programmes that attract larger numbers are Pobl Y Cwm, some sporting events, and the occasional one off or mini series such as Hinterland, delivered in both Cymraeg and English.

All the rest is heavily subsidised, and as the BBC licence fee is now paying all the bills, that means the total licence fee base across the UK is paying for something the rest of Britain isn unable to access.


Hardly fair is it?
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: I watch S4C every day, never miss it. Just because you don't, that's your choice, respect mine. We write in English because YOU don't understand welsh, of course should you write that way we would respond in kind. These are the type of people who would visit a foreign country and lambast the people there for not speaking English too. Yr wyf yn gwylio S4C bob dydd, byth yn colli ei. Dim ond oherwydd nad ydych yn ei wneud, dyna eich dewis, parch mwynglawdd. Rydym yn ysgrifennu yn Saesneg am nad ydych yn deall Cymraeg, wrth gwrs dylech ysgrifennu y ffordd honno byddem yn ymateb mewn da. Mae'r rhain yn y math o bobl a fyddai'n ymweld â gwlad dramor ac yn lladd y bobl yno am beidio â siarad Saesneg hefyd.[/p][/quote]Well at over £2000 per viewer it's an expensive mockery. And the National Eisteddfodd costing around £600000 from the taxpayer? Your language is neither living, holding its own, nor economically sustainable.[/p][/quote]Some viewing statistics give viewing figures so low, (less than a thousand) that the cost comes out at nearly twenty thousand Pounds per viewer for that transmission. It seems the only programmes that attract larger numbers are Pobl Y Cwm, some sporting events, and the occasional one off or mini series such as Hinterland, delivered in both Cymraeg and English. All the rest is heavily subsidised, and as the BBC licence fee is now paying all the bills, that means the total licence fee base across the UK is paying for something the rest of Britain isn unable to access. Hardly fair is it? varteg1
  • Score: 8

8:47pm Wed 7 May 14

Mervyn James says...

varteg1 wrote:
40 K Cymraeg speakers in Gwent?


I wonder how this figure was obtained, it was certainly not gained from the ONS census statistics, which were at best ambiguous, at worst mainly based in mendacious returns.

Such a figure makes claim for around 8% of the population of Gwent area, I would be hard put to find anywhere near that number even considering those few recently out of school with total fluency..
In my own village, (where there is a Ysgol Gymraeg unit) with, a population of around a hundred, I doubt there is even one fluent of any age.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Which both of you see what you want to see in them:) erm...you don't like welsh do you, or understand it, so against on those grounds? rather flimsy an argument I'd say. And people have been called racists on a lot less. You are quite welcome to rant at Polish, The Urdu or Bengali speakers etc, go ahead, see if the courts agree with you. I'm betting you would justify the fact you don't understand them and recognize their language rights,on the very grounds, you oppose welsh...I suspect the opposition arguments unraveling fast too, if you are only using cost as an excuse, have you ANY Idea what the multicultural cost and their support is? Makes welsh look like peanuts actually, and they DON'T have to be bilingual either.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: 40 K Cymraeg speakers in Gwent? I wonder how this figure was obtained, it was certainly not gained from the ONS census statistics, which were at best ambiguous, at worst mainly based in mendacious returns. Such a figure makes claim for around 8% of the population of Gwent area, I would be hard put to find anywhere near that number even considering those few recently out of school with total fluency.. In my own village, (where there is a Ysgol Gymraeg unit) with, a population of around a hundred, I doubt there is even one fluent of any age. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.[/p][/quote]Which both of you see what you want to see in them:) erm...you don't like welsh do you, or understand it, so against on those grounds? rather flimsy an argument I'd say. And people have been called racists on a lot less. You are quite welcome to rant at Polish, The Urdu or Bengali speakers etc, go ahead, see if the courts agree with you. I'm betting you would justify the fact you don't understand them and recognize their language rights,on the very grounds, you oppose welsh...I suspect the opposition arguments unraveling fast too, if you are only using cost as an excuse, have you ANY Idea what the multicultural cost and their support is? Makes welsh look like peanuts actually, and they DON'T have to be bilingual either. Mervyn James
  • Score: -7

10:35pm Wed 7 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
40 K Cymraeg speakers in Gwent?


I wonder how this figure was obtained, it was certainly not gained from the ONS census statistics, which were at best ambiguous, at worst mainly based in mendacious returns.

Such a figure makes claim for around 8% of the population of Gwent area, I would be hard put to find anywhere near that number even considering those few recently out of school with total fluency..
In my own village, (where there is a Ysgol Gymraeg unit) with, a population of around a hundred, I doubt there is even one fluent of any age.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Which both of you see what you want to see in them:) erm...you don't like welsh do you, or understand it, so against on those grounds? rather flimsy an argument I'd say. And people have been called racists on a lot less. You are quite welcome to rant at Polish, The Urdu or Bengali speakers etc, go ahead, see if the courts agree with you. I'm betting you would justify the fact you don't understand them and recognize their language rights,on the very grounds, you oppose welsh...I suspect the opposition arguments unraveling fast too, if you are only using cost as an excuse, have you ANY Idea what the multicultural cost and their support is? Makes welsh look like peanuts actually, and they DON'T have to be bilingual either.
Not against Welsh, just against the now demonstrated vast sums which mean you get to watch your wet dream channel at the cost of £2-3000 to everyone else plus the tax we all pay to fund something you aren't prepared to pay for. Why should I pay for Sky Sports when a handful of people get S4C for free? And give the Urdu/Bengali tripe a rest. Most of us don't believe in paying for that either.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: 40 K Cymraeg speakers in Gwent? I wonder how this figure was obtained, it was certainly not gained from the ONS census statistics, which were at best ambiguous, at worst mainly based in mendacious returns. Such a figure makes claim for around 8% of the population of Gwent area, I would be hard put to find anywhere near that number even considering those few recently out of school with total fluency.. In my own village, (where there is a Ysgol Gymraeg unit) with, a population of around a hundred, I doubt there is even one fluent of any age. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.[/p][/quote]Which both of you see what you want to see in them:) erm...you don't like welsh do you, or understand it, so against on those grounds? rather flimsy an argument I'd say. And people have been called racists on a lot less. You are quite welcome to rant at Polish, The Urdu or Bengali speakers etc, go ahead, see if the courts agree with you. I'm betting you would justify the fact you don't understand them and recognize their language rights,on the very grounds, you oppose welsh...I suspect the opposition arguments unraveling fast too, if you are only using cost as an excuse, have you ANY Idea what the multicultural cost and their support is? Makes welsh look like peanuts actually, and they DON'T have to be bilingual either.[/p][/quote]Not against Welsh, just against the now demonstrated vast sums which mean you get to watch your wet dream channel at the cost of £2-3000 to everyone else plus the tax we all pay to fund something you aren't prepared to pay for. Why should I pay for Sky Sports when a handful of people get S4C for free? And give the Urdu/Bengali tripe a rest. Most of us don't believe in paying for that either. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 9

7:53am Thu 8 May 14

Mervyn James says...

I have to pay for SKY sports and BT sport and have neither piped to my TV set too. My virgin bill went up £8 a month to subsidize BT Sport and I don't watch sport except Scrum V on S4C or BBC wales, so I am subsiding TV I never watch for others, so they pay a small fee for S4C ? fair enough I'd say. BY your response I think UKIP has a convert.... We could move to Ireland and watch the BBC for free from there.... and S4C :)
I have to pay for SKY sports and BT sport and have neither piped to my TV set too. My virgin bill went up £8 a month to subsidize BT Sport and I don't watch sport except Scrum V on S4C or BBC wales, so I am subsiding TV I never watch for others, so they pay a small fee for S4C ? fair enough I'd say. BY your response I think UKIP has a convert.... We could move to Ireland and watch the BBC for free from there.... and S4C :) Mervyn James
  • Score: -8

9:41am Thu 8 May 14

-trigg- says...

The BBC aren't required to fund a television channel broadcasting in Polish or Urdu (although if they did I wouldn't be too surprised if they achieved higher viewing figures than the woeful S4C)

Neither are councils and businesses required to make all their documentation available in these languages or have a facility for Welsh speakers in their call centres, regardless of whether any of their customers actually speak the language.

A study should be conducted on what languages people can actually speak in South Wales. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Welsh come 4th, 5th or even lower down the list.
The BBC aren't required to fund a television channel broadcasting in Polish or Urdu (although if they did I wouldn't be too surprised if they achieved higher viewing figures than the woeful S4C) Neither are councils and businesses required to make all their documentation available in these languages or have a facility for Welsh speakers in their call centres, regardless of whether any of their customers actually speak the language. A study should be conducted on what languages people can actually speak in South Wales. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Welsh come 4th, 5th or even lower down the list. -trigg-
  • Score: 9

5:03pm Thu 8 May 14

varteg1 says...

Mervyn James wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
40 K Cymraeg speakers in Gwent?


I wonder how this figure was obtained, it was certainly not gained from the ONS census statistics, which were at best ambiguous, at worst mainly based in mendacious returns.

Such a figure makes claim for around 8% of the population of Gwent area, I would be hard put to find anywhere near that number even considering those few recently out of school with total fluency..
In my own village, (where there is a Ysgol Gymraeg unit) with, a population of around a hundred, I doubt there is even one fluent of any age.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Which both of you see what you want to see in them:) erm...you don't like welsh do you, or understand it, so against on those grounds? rather flimsy an argument I'd say. And people have been called racists on a lot less. You are quite welcome to rant at Polish, The Urdu or Bengali speakers etc, go ahead, see if the courts agree with you. I'm betting you would justify the fact you don't understand them and recognize their language rights,on the very grounds, you oppose welsh...I suspect the opposition arguments unraveling fast too, if you are only using cost as an excuse, have you ANY Idea what the multicultural cost and their support is? Makes welsh look like peanuts actually, and they DON'T have to be bilingual either.
I am totally ambivalent towards a second language, I am a one language person, and that is the tongue, not of my mother or grandparents, all Cymraeg fluents, but the language of m y home country, Britain, that taught me in English.
I grew from birth speaking that language, and despite my mother speaking Cymraeg, she never sought to have me learn it. Whys would she, she left Wales in her early twenties, and moved to Manchester where her Cymraeg would have been useless to her.

So, to conclude, I do wish you would cease your usual remarks regarding my feelings for Cymraeg, I neither love it nor hate it. It's just there, on road signs, etc whenever I venture out, on official letters from Assembly, utilities and council, of course along with the same in Saes. What a waste of ink, paper and time taken to translate.

I note however you never refer to the language by its proper name, you always call it Welsh.... I wonder why, when in it's original form, the title is little less than an insult to the people of this region, implying we are 'alien' foreign, strangers etc. in our own region.

Or do you suspect that to use 'Cymraeg' rather than Welsh you may be assessed as akin to being a Barbarian which caused the Greeks to name outsiders such, because their tongue was like unto a baby, with a BA BA sort of expressiveness?
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: 40 K Cymraeg speakers in Gwent? I wonder how this figure was obtained, it was certainly not gained from the ONS census statistics, which were at best ambiguous, at worst mainly based in mendacious returns. Such a figure makes claim for around 8% of the population of Gwent area, I would be hard put to find anywhere near that number even considering those few recently out of school with total fluency.. In my own village, (where there is a Ysgol Gymraeg unit) with, a population of around a hundred, I doubt there is even one fluent of any age. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.[/p][/quote]Which both of you see what you want to see in them:) erm...you don't like welsh do you, or understand it, so against on those grounds? rather flimsy an argument I'd say. And people have been called racists on a lot less. You are quite welcome to rant at Polish, The Urdu or Bengali speakers etc, go ahead, see if the courts agree with you. I'm betting you would justify the fact you don't understand them and recognize their language rights,on the very grounds, you oppose welsh...I suspect the opposition arguments unraveling fast too, if you are only using cost as an excuse, have you ANY Idea what the multicultural cost and their support is? Makes welsh look like peanuts actually, and they DON'T have to be bilingual either.[/p][/quote]I am totally ambivalent towards a second language, I am a one language person, and that is the tongue, not of my mother or grandparents, all Cymraeg fluents, but the language of m y home country, Britain, that taught me in English. I grew from birth speaking that language, and despite my mother speaking Cymraeg, she never sought to have me learn it. Whys would she, she left Wales in her early twenties, and moved to Manchester where her Cymraeg would have been useless to her. So, to conclude, I do wish you would cease your usual remarks regarding my feelings for Cymraeg, I neither love it nor hate it. It's just there, on road signs, etc whenever I venture out, on official letters from Assembly, utilities and council, of course along with the same in Saes. What a waste of ink, paper and time taken to translate. I note however you never refer to the language by its proper name, you always call it Welsh.... I wonder why, when in it's original form, the title is little less than an insult to the people of this region, implying we are 'alien' foreign, strangers etc. in our own region. Or do you suspect that to use 'Cymraeg' rather than Welsh you may be assessed as akin to being a Barbarian which caused the Greeks to name outsiders such, because their tongue was like unto a baby, with a BA BA sort of expressiveness? varteg1
  • Score: 3

7:41pm Thu 8 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

Mervyn James wrote:
I have to pay for SKY sports and BT sport and have neither piped to my TV set too. My virgin bill went up £8 a month to subsidize BT Sport and I don't watch sport except Scrum V on S4C or BBC wales, so I am subsiding TV I never watch for others, so they pay a small fee for S4C ? fair enough I'd say. BY your response I think UKIP has a convert.... We could move to Ireland and watch the BBC for free from there.... and S4C :)
merv you choose to pay for sky i dont i think its overpriced but paying for this tripe is compulsary
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: I have to pay for SKY sports and BT sport and have neither piped to my TV set too. My virgin bill went up £8 a month to subsidize BT Sport and I don't watch sport except Scrum V on S4C or BBC wales, so I am subsiding TV I never watch for others, so they pay a small fee for S4C ? fair enough I'd say. BY your response I think UKIP has a convert.... We could move to Ireland and watch the BBC for free from there.... and S4C :)[/p][/quote]merv you choose to pay for sky i dont i think its overpriced but paying for this tripe is compulsary scraptheWAG
  • Score: -1

8:41am Fri 9 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Who, hasn't got got SKY and satellite TV these days ? Tripe is in the eyes of the beholder, I don't like footy/the wailing t**sers on X factor/reality TV, bluddy dancing shows, cookery shows, old antique shows, or having to pay on my TV licence for those, but obviously there are others who pay for just that, there is room for everyone, it is a public service channel, not a commercial one. I could suggest they have 6 channels too many also at the BBC we can do without.
Who, hasn't got got SKY and satellite TV these days ? Tripe is in the eyes of the beholder, I don't like footy/the wailing t**sers on X factor/reality TV, bluddy dancing shows, cookery shows, old antique shows, or having to pay on my TV licence for those, but obviously there are others who pay for just that, there is room for everyone, it is a public service channel, not a commercial one. I could suggest they have 6 channels too many also at the BBC we can do without. Mervyn James
  • Score: 2

12:43pm Fri 9 May 14

Bobevans says...

varteg1 wrote:
40 K Cymraeg speakers in Gwent?


I wonder how this figure was obtained, it was certainly not gained from the ONS census statistics, which were at best ambiguous, at worst mainly based in mendacious returns.

Such a figure makes claim for around 8% of the population of Gwent area, I would be hard put to find anywhere near that number even considering those few recently out of school with total fluency..
In my own village, (where there is a Ysgol Gymraeg unit) with, a population of around a hundred, I doubt there is even one fluent of any age.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
The ONS added a rider to the Welsh Language results saying they were statistically invalid. A proper survey of the Welsh Language put the percentage of competent Welsh Speakers at 7% and those competent in oral and written Welsh at 3%
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: 40 K Cymraeg speakers in Gwent? I wonder how this figure was obtained, it was certainly not gained from the ONS census statistics, which were at best ambiguous, at worst mainly based in mendacious returns. Such a figure makes claim for around 8% of the population of Gwent area, I would be hard put to find anywhere near that number even considering those few recently out of school with total fluency.. In my own village, (where there is a Ysgol Gymraeg unit) with, a population of around a hundred, I doubt there is even one fluent of any age. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.[/p][/quote]The ONS added a rider to the Welsh Language results saying they were statistically invalid. A proper survey of the Welsh Language put the percentage of competent Welsh Speakers at 7% and those competent in oral and written Welsh at 3% Bobevans
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3:43pm Sun 11 May 14

pwlldu says...

Singing the Welsh National Anthem in Welsh Nothing beats it. God save the Queen sings of crushing the Scots and is sung by the English rugby team/ fans. The union flag has no Welsh conection.
Singing the Welsh National Anthem in Welsh Nothing beats it. God save the Queen sings of crushing the Scots and is sung by the English rugby team/ fans. The union flag has no Welsh conection. pwlldu
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9:48pm Sun 11 May 14

varteg1 says...

pwlldu wrote:
Singing the Welsh National Anthem in Welsh Nothing beats it. God save the Queen sings of crushing the Scots and is sung by the English rugby team/ fans. The union flag has no Welsh conection.
There is one thing from a Cymro I can and do agree with.

That bloody dirge makes my skin crawl every time I hear it.

The best one though is Le Marseillaise, not that I would,. but I almost feel like standing every time I hear that;, a close second comes the European anthem, by Beethoven, ..Ode to Peace.

Sospan Fach I prefer for Wales.

GSTQ comes so far down my list I cannot even attach a number to it.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Singing the Welsh National Anthem in Welsh Nothing beats it. God save the Queen sings of crushing the Scots and is sung by the English rugby team/ fans. The union flag has no Welsh conection.[/p][/quote]There is one thing from a Cymro I can and do agree with. That bloody dirge makes my skin crawl every time I hear it. The best one though is Le Marseillaise, not that I would,. but I almost feel like standing every time I hear that;, a close second comes the European anthem, by Beethoven, ..Ode to Peace. Sospan Fach I prefer for Wales. GSTQ comes so far down my list I cannot even attach a number to it. varteg1
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9:50pm Sun 11 May 14

varteg1 says...

Bobevans wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
40 K Cymraeg speakers in Gwent?


I wonder how this figure was obtained, it was certainly not gained from the ONS census statistics, which were at best ambiguous, at worst mainly based in mendacious returns.

Such a figure makes claim for around 8% of the population of Gwent area, I would be hard put to find anywhere near that number even considering those few recently out of school with total fluency..
In my own village, (where there is a Ysgol Gymraeg unit) with, a population of around a hundred, I doubt there is even one fluent of any age.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
The ONS added a rider to the Welsh Language results saying they were statistically invalid. A proper survey of the Welsh Language put the percentage of competent Welsh Speakers at 7% and those competent in oral and written Welsh at 3%
Thanks Bob, that backs up my own assessment.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: 40 K Cymraeg speakers in Gwent? I wonder how this figure was obtained, it was certainly not gained from the ONS census statistics, which were at best ambiguous, at worst mainly based in mendacious returns. Such a figure makes claim for around 8% of the population of Gwent area, I would be hard put to find anywhere near that number even considering those few recently out of school with total fluency.. In my own village, (where there is a Ysgol Gymraeg unit) with, a population of around a hundred, I doubt there is even one fluent of any age. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.[/p][/quote]The ONS added a rider to the Welsh Language results saying they were statistically invalid. A proper survey of the Welsh Language put the percentage of competent Welsh Speakers at 7% and those competent in oral and written Welsh at 3%[/p][/quote]Thanks Bob, that backs up my own assessment. varteg1
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10:27pm Sun 11 May 14

displayed says...

"So, to conclude, I do wish you would cease your usual remarks regarding my feelings for Cymraeg, I neither love it nor hate it. It's just there, on road signs, etc whenever I venture out, on official letters from Assembly, utilities and council, of course along with the same in Saes. What a waste of ink, paper and time taken to translate."

Hear, hear, there speaks the voice of reason an logic.

All this bill-ingual costs more trees.

Cau'r drws anyone?
"So, to conclude, I do wish you would cease your usual remarks regarding my feelings for Cymraeg, I neither love it nor hate it. It's just there, on road signs, etc whenever I venture out, on official letters from Assembly, utilities and council, of course along with the same in Saes. What a waste of ink, paper and time taken to translate." Hear, hear, there speaks the voice of reason an logic. All this bill-ingual costs more trees. Cau'r drws anyone? displayed
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