Fair to Labour?

IN HIS letter “Only one vote” Argus letters Wed May 7, Andrew Nutt tells us the only thing to do is vote for Plaid Cymru if we want to register a protest about what Labour is doing or is failing to do.

Though he could be right, it’s something I feel rather sad about the Welsh having to do, vote against Labour!

Are you sure you are being absolutely fair to Labour Andrew? As far as I can make out Leanne Wood’s Plaid does indeed appear to have a lot of integrity, but as a lifelong Labour voter I have to ask are you being absolutely fair? I feel obliged to point out that the coal mines and the ironworks were all owned by Welsh businessmen when several decades ago Wales was treated so badly.

So, it’s not inevitable that all Welsh people love Wales or the Welsh workers. Sadly, I think in this case you could be right and that voting for Plaid could be the best idea. I’m not simply grumbling Andrew, it’s more of a lament that dumping Labour seems to be becoming a strategy in both Scotland and Wales and it makes my heart sink.

Walt Jackson Llantrisant Usk

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3:23pm Tue 13 May 14

Walter Devereux says...

Don't vote for separatists though. Although they claim otherwise, wait until you have given them power...
Don't vote for separatists though. Although they claim otherwise, wait until you have given them power... Walter Devereux
  • Score: 6

3:33pm Tue 13 May 14

Realist UK says...

Socialist workers party is the nearest thing to old labour.
Socialist workers party is the nearest thing to old labour. Realist UK
  • Score: -3

3:59pm Tue 13 May 14

pwlldu says...

Plaid is the only socialist party, all other parties have their roots in England. UKIP are a separatist party. Both Labour and Tory parties think more of the south east of england.
Plaid is the only socialist party, all other parties have their roots in England. UKIP are a separatist party. Both Labour and Tory parties think more of the south east of england. pwlldu
  • Score: -7

4:24pm Tue 13 May 14

Realist UK says...

pwlldu wrote:
Plaid is the only socialist party, all other parties have their roots in England. UKIP are a separatist party. Both Labour and Tory parties think more of the south east of england.
*racistKLAXON*
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Plaid is the only socialist party, all other parties have their roots in England. UKIP are a separatist party. Both Labour and Tory parties think more of the south east of england.[/p][/quote]*racistKLAXON* Realist UK
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4:54pm Tue 13 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Plaid is the only socialist party, all other parties have their roots in England. UKIP are a separatist party. Both Labour and Tory parties think more of the south east of england.
Well given that the long discredited Socialist doctrine is predicated on taking money off people who have done well for themselves and then squandering it, I'd keep that one to yourself if I were you. The 'free Wales' you **** after won't have anyone with any nous or money to rob off. They all have legged it to a neighbouring meritocracy with lower taxes.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Plaid is the only socialist party, all other parties have their roots in England. UKIP are a separatist party. Both Labour and Tory parties think more of the south east of england.[/p][/quote]Well given that the long discredited Socialist doctrine is predicated on taking money off people who have done well for themselves and then squandering it, I'd keep that one to yourself if I were you. The 'free Wales' you **** after won't have anyone with any nous or money to rob off. They all have legged it to a neighbouring meritocracy with lower taxes. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 6

9:27pm Wed 14 May 14

pwlldu says...

Walter Devereux says...

Don't vote for separatists though. Although they claim otherwise, wait until you have given them power...
So you wouldn't be voying BNP, UKIP and Britain First then.
Walter Devereux says... Don't vote for separatists though. Although they claim otherwise, wait until you have given them power... So you wouldn't be voying BNP, UKIP and Britain First then. pwlldu
  • Score: -8

9:29pm Wed 14 May 14

pwlldu says...

Llanmartinangel says... tories like you will never get elected by Wales.
Llanmartinangel says... tories like you will never get elected by Wales. pwlldu
  • Score: -9

10:36pm Wed 14 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Llanmartinangel says... tories like you will never get elected by Wales.
But on the bright side you'll never get your wet dream separation either.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel says... tories like you will never get elected by Wales.[/p][/quote]But on the bright side you'll never get your wet dream separation either. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 6

8:21am Thu 15 May 14

Mervyn James says...

We'll get the next best thing, almost total evolution.
We'll get the next best thing, almost total evolution. Mervyn James
  • Score: -5

8:49am Thu 15 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
We'll get the next best thing, almost total evolution.
Anyone who thinks that giving even more power to this ludicrous bunch of non-achievers is going to be the 'next best' anything is clearly destined for the funny farm.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: We'll get the next best thing, almost total evolution.[/p][/quote]Anyone who thinks that giving even more power to this ludicrous bunch of non-achievers is going to be the 'next best' anything is clearly destined for the funny farm. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 6

6:13pm Thu 15 May 14

Mervyn James says...

We accept all comers :)
We accept all comers :) Mervyn James
  • Score: -4

9:52pm Thu 15 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
We accept all comers :)
Clearly just as well. I hope they don't give you anything sharp to write with.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: We accept all comers :)[/p][/quote]Clearly just as well. I hope they don't give you anything sharp to write with. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

10:25pm Thu 15 May 14

pwlldu says...

Llanmartinangel says... BACK IN 1979 PEOPLE THOUGHT WALES WILL NEVER HAVE DEVOLUTION NEVER SAY NEVER.!!!!
Llanmartinangel says... BACK IN 1979 PEOPLE THOUGHT WALES WILL NEVER HAVE DEVOLUTION NEVER SAY NEVER.!!!! pwlldu
  • Score: -8

10:11am Fri 16 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Yep the apathy of the moaners here handed it to Wales on a plate, more please :) While they are moaning here we can get on with pushing for an independent wales. I have every confidence the moaners won't even vote at all... it means mine counts double....
Yep the apathy of the moaners here handed it to Wales on a plate, more please :) While they are moaning here we can get on with pushing for an independent wales. I have every confidence the moaners won't even vote at all... it means mine counts double.... Mervyn James
  • Score: -6

12:07pm Fri 16 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Yep the apathy of the moaners here handed it to Wales on a plate, more please :) While they are moaning here we can get on with pushing for an independent wales. I have every confidence the moaners won't even vote at all... it means mine counts double....
Some crucial things would change this time though. Taxpayers would vote against, rather than become cash cows for a bankrupt republic. Anyone on benefits would vote against because the current generosity of the wealthy UK would be history overnight. Patients would vote against because the Welsh NHS is bad enough as it is even with the £10b deficit in Wales' finances being plugged every year by Westminster. Greece would look prosperous by comparison. Absolutely no chance then.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Yep the apathy of the moaners here handed it to Wales on a plate, more please :) While they are moaning here we can get on with pushing for an independent wales. I have every confidence the moaners won't even vote at all... it means mine counts double....[/p][/quote]Some crucial things would change this time though. Taxpayers would vote against, rather than become cash cows for a bankrupt republic. Anyone on benefits would vote against because the current generosity of the wealthy UK would be history overnight. Patients would vote against because the Welsh NHS is bad enough as it is even with the £10b deficit in Wales' finances being plugged every year by Westminster. Greece would look prosperous by comparison. Absolutely no chance then. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

12:10pm Fri 16 May 14

welshmen says...

pwlldu wrote:
Llanmartinangel says... BACK IN 1979 PEOPLE THOUGHT WALES WILL NEVER HAVE DEVOLUTION NEVER SAY NEVER.!!!!
pwlldu says Llanmartin says...BACK IN 1979 PEOPLE THOUGHT WALES WILL NEVER HAVE DEVOLUTION NEVER SAY NEVER.!!!! what are you an Argus notice board, Walter Devereux says..

Typical no forward thing wast of a vote Commie Plaid Cymru...supporter...
.Vote for a sensible Party who have British natives as a first priority, BNP, Britian First, UKIP, any of those will be better for WALES than Commie Plaid Cymru....
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel says... BACK IN 1979 PEOPLE THOUGHT WALES WILL NEVER HAVE DEVOLUTION NEVER SAY NEVER.!!!![/p][/quote]pwlldu says Llanmartin says...BACK IN 1979 PEOPLE THOUGHT WALES WILL NEVER HAVE DEVOLUTION NEVER SAY NEVER.!!!! what are you an Argus notice board, Walter Devereux says.. Typical no forward thing wast of a vote Commie Plaid Cymru...supporter... .Vote for a sensible Party who have British natives as a first priority, BNP, Britian First, UKIP, any of those will be better for WALES than Commie Plaid Cymru.... welshmen
  • Score: -1

3:38pm Fri 16 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Yep the apathy of the moaners here handed it to Wales on a plate, more please :) While they are moaning here we can get on with pushing for an independent wales. I have every confidence the moaners won't even vote at all... it means mine counts double....
Some crucial things would change this time though. Taxpayers would vote against, rather than become cash cows for a bankrupt republic. Anyone on benefits would vote against because the current generosity of the wealthy UK would be history overnight. Patients would vote against because the Welsh NHS is bad enough as it is even with the £10b deficit in Wales' finances being plugged every year by Westminster. Greece would look prosperous by comparison. Absolutely no chance then.
The Assembly is here, no amount of complaining is going to change that, better to get with it, get involved, and YOU make the changes you want. Simply not voting and harking back to subservience to Westminster isn't going to cut it,it's a matter of having faith in Wales, clearly I have it, you don't. I take the points, but only WE can change things, all you suggest is reverse gear to English rule, and then what ? ask them for MORE money ? We're going to get a lot less, and it is going to get a lot worse unless we unite as welsh people to address things. Cardiff is 150 miles from London in travel terms, but a whole cultural difference in real terms. I can't agree we are not as good as English are.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Yep the apathy of the moaners here handed it to Wales on a plate, more please :) While they are moaning here we can get on with pushing for an independent wales. I have every confidence the moaners won't even vote at all... it means mine counts double....[/p][/quote]Some crucial things would change this time though. Taxpayers would vote against, rather than become cash cows for a bankrupt republic. Anyone on benefits would vote against because the current generosity of the wealthy UK would be history overnight. Patients would vote against because the Welsh NHS is bad enough as it is even with the £10b deficit in Wales' finances being plugged every year by Westminster. Greece would look prosperous by comparison. Absolutely no chance then.[/p][/quote]The Assembly is here, no amount of complaining is going to change that, better to get with it, get involved, and YOU make the changes you want. Simply not voting and harking back to subservience to Westminster isn't going to cut it,it's a matter of having faith in Wales, clearly I have it, you don't. I take the points, but only WE can change things, all you suggest is reverse gear to English rule, and then what ? ask them for MORE money ? We're going to get a lot less, and it is going to get a lot worse unless we unite as welsh people to address things. Cardiff is 150 miles from London in travel terms, but a whole cultural difference in real terms. I can't agree we are not as good as English are. Mervyn James
  • Score: -3

3:46pm Fri 16 May 14

-trigg- says...

Mervyn James wrote:
We'll get the next best thing, almost total evolution.
There's a reason its called DEvolution, rather an evolution. It is almost always a step backwards.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: We'll get the next best thing, almost total evolution.[/p][/quote]There's a reason its called DEvolution, rather an evolution. It is almost always a step backwards. -trigg-
  • Score: 4

4:02pm Fri 16 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Yep the apathy of the moaners here handed it to Wales on a plate, more please :) While they are moaning here we can get on with pushing for an independent wales. I have every confidence the moaners won't even vote at all... it means mine counts double....
Some crucial things would change this time though. Taxpayers would vote against, rather than become cash cows for a bankrupt republic. Anyone on benefits would vote against because the current generosity of the wealthy UK would be history overnight. Patients would vote against because the Welsh NHS is bad enough as it is even with the £10b deficit in Wales' finances being plugged every year by Westminster. Greece would look prosperous by comparison. Absolutely no chance then.
The Assembly is here, no amount of complaining is going to change that, better to get with it, get involved, and YOU make the changes you want. Simply not voting and harking back to subservience to Westminster isn't going to cut it,it's a matter of having faith in Wales, clearly I have it, you don't. I take the points, but only WE can change things, all you suggest is reverse gear to English rule, and then what ? ask them for MORE money ? We're going to get a lot less, and it is going to get a lot worse unless we unite as welsh people to address things. Cardiff is 150 miles from London in travel terms, but a whole cultural difference in real terms. I can't agree we are not as good as English are.
There is no 'English' and 'Welsh', that's precisely the point. The distinction is imaginary. All our taxes go to the same place except for Council Tax which Labour have sought to increase above inflation despite banging on about the 'cost of living crisis', yet services here are worse. The economics of separatism for Wales are terrifying. 60% of all income tax paid in the UK is paid by the top 10% earners. Don't delude yourself that any of them live here. Name any other tax: stamp duty? Vast majority collected in England. Air passenger duty? The same. Financial transaction taxes, same. Are you really suggesting blind faith can reverse that reality? Get real for heavens sake. The Assembly are playing power politics by invoking some mythical national pride without a nation. You may be deluded, most of us aren't. In reality, Wales needs England, even to fund the dying language.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Yep the apathy of the moaners here handed it to Wales on a plate, more please :) While they are moaning here we can get on with pushing for an independent wales. I have every confidence the moaners won't even vote at all... it means mine counts double....[/p][/quote]Some crucial things would change this time though. Taxpayers would vote against, rather than become cash cows for a bankrupt republic. Anyone on benefits would vote against because the current generosity of the wealthy UK would be history overnight. Patients would vote against because the Welsh NHS is bad enough as it is even with the £10b deficit in Wales' finances being plugged every year by Westminster. Greece would look prosperous by comparison. Absolutely no chance then.[/p][/quote]The Assembly is here, no amount of complaining is going to change that, better to get with it, get involved, and YOU make the changes you want. Simply not voting and harking back to subservience to Westminster isn't going to cut it,it's a matter of having faith in Wales, clearly I have it, you don't. I take the points, but only WE can change things, all you suggest is reverse gear to English rule, and then what ? ask them for MORE money ? We're going to get a lot less, and it is going to get a lot worse unless we unite as welsh people to address things. Cardiff is 150 miles from London in travel terms, but a whole cultural difference in real terms. I can't agree we are not as good as English are.[/p][/quote]There is no 'English' and 'Welsh', that's precisely the point. The distinction is imaginary. All our taxes go to the same place except for Council Tax which Labour have sought to increase above inflation despite banging on about the 'cost of living crisis', yet services here are worse. The economics of separatism for Wales are terrifying. 60% of all income tax paid in the UK is paid by the top 10% earners. Don't delude yourself that any of them live here. Name any other tax: stamp duty? Vast majority collected in England. Air passenger duty? The same. Financial transaction taxes, same. Are you really suggesting blind faith can reverse that reality? Get real for heavens sake. The Assembly are playing power politics by invoking some mythical national pride without a nation. You may be deluded, most of us aren't. In reality, Wales needs England, even to fund the dying language. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 6

6:42pm Fri 16 May 14

Mervyn James says...

You will be assimilated, the welsh empire strikes back :)
You will be assimilated, the welsh empire strikes back :) Mervyn James
  • Score: -4

10:42am Sat 17 May 14

pwlldu says...

welshmen says...


pwlldu wrote:
Llanmartinangel says... BACK IN 1979 PEOPLE THOUGHT WALES WILL NEVER HAVE DEVOLUTION NEVER SAY NEVER.!!!!
pwlldu says Llanmartin says...BACK IN 1979 PEOPLE THOUGHT WALES WILL NEVER HAVE DEVOLUTION NEVER SAY NEVER.!!!! what are you an Argus notice board, Walter Devereux says..

Typical no forward thing wast of a vote Commie Plaid Cymru...supporter...

.Vote for a sensible Party who have British natives as a first priority, BNP, Britian First, UKIP, any of those will be better for WALES than Commie Plaid Cymru....

BNP, Britian First, UKIP, are a bunch of right wing neo nazi who would sit with the far right parties in Europe.
welshmen says... pwlldu wrote: Llanmartinangel says... BACK IN 1979 PEOPLE THOUGHT WALES WILL NEVER HAVE DEVOLUTION NEVER SAY NEVER.!!!! pwlldu says Llanmartin says...BACK IN 1979 PEOPLE THOUGHT WALES WILL NEVER HAVE DEVOLUTION NEVER SAY NEVER.!!!! what are you an Argus notice board, Walter Devereux says.. Typical no forward thing wast of a vote Commie Plaid Cymru...supporter... .Vote for a sensible Party who have British natives as a first priority, BNP, Britian First, UKIP, any of those will be better for WALES than Commie Plaid Cymru.... BNP, Britian First, UKIP, are a bunch of right wing neo nazi who would sit with the far right parties in Europe. pwlldu
  • Score: -3

10:44am Sat 17 May 14

pwlldu says...

There is no 'English' and 'Welsh' I doubt many English people will agree with you. When the English football team is re-named GB team.
There is no 'English' and 'Welsh' I doubt many English people will agree with you. When the English football team is re-named GB team. pwlldu
  • Score: -4

10:47am Sat 17 May 14

pwlldu says...

Llanmartinangel says... it suits the Tories for Scotland to be independant it would mean less Labour MP's in London. More chance of a Tory government.
Llanmartinangel says... it suits the Tories for Scotland to be independant it would mean less Labour MP's in London. More chance of a Tory government. pwlldu
  • Score: -5

12:59pm Sat 17 May 14

welshmen says...

pwlldu wrote:
welshmen says...


pwlldu wrote:
Llanmartinangel says... BACK IN 1979 PEOPLE THOUGHT WALES WILL NEVER HAVE DEVOLUTION NEVER SAY NEVER.!!!!
pwlldu says Llanmartin says...BACK IN 1979 PEOPLE THOUGHT WALES WILL NEVER HAVE DEVOLUTION NEVER SAY NEVER.!!!! what are you an Argus notice board, Walter Devereux says..

Typical no forward thing wast of a vote Commie Plaid Cymru...supporter...


.Vote for a sensible Party who have British natives as a first priority, BNP, Britian First, UKIP, any of those will be better for WALES than Commie Plaid Cymru....

BNP, Britian First, UKIP, are a bunch of right wing neo nazi who would sit with the far right parties in Europe.
You have a lot in common with the UAF and HNH, they are right up your train of thought, because they are also a bigoted anti-British racists, you also have similar Fascist Nazi views as them, you don't like the truth, you start your name calling when ever the truth is posted, you have no answers, just like your UAF & HNH mates, you don't do democracy your scared stiff of debate & the truth you cling to what your fed by your Commie Plaid Cymru Party who also want to flood this Country with more third would immigrants, how low do you have to sink to vote for more third worlder's to flood our Country and sponge of a Nation Built on our Natives Blood...read what Democracy is al about....

Once the Mother of Parliaments and a byword for honest, efficient government, British democracy now needs saving from a swamp of sleaze, corruption and incompetence.

There is a growing crisis of democratic legitimacy caused by disillusioned voters refusing to take part in elections, the privatisation transfer of power and assets from democratic institutions to big business and the way in which a handful of media moguls channel and twist public discourse to favour themselves and allied vested interests.

The entire political process was customised by the Blair regime to benefit the Labour Party, while the whole political elite has engaged in the worst gerrymandering exercise in history by replacing ‘unreliable’ British voters by client immigrant groups who owe their very presence here to the politicians who fall over themselves for their votes.

The British National Party will restore genuine democracy by breaking the monopoly power of the corporate media and the institutionally anti-British BBC to set the confines of ‘respectable’ debate and to set the electoral agenda.

We will return to democratically elected local government and to local communities the powers usurped by the EU, Westminster, Whitehall and by big business.

Believing that government should be as close to the people as possible, and in keeping with our reverence for tradition, we would restore the ancient pre-1974 counties and devolve as much power as possible from higher levels of government to County Council level.

- Root out corruption by jailing politicians who take bribes and confiscate the assets of businesses caught trying to buy favours
- Ban politicians from ever taking jobs or benefits from big businesses that have benefitted in any way from decisions and votes made by them while in office
- Abolish postal voting for all except the very ill, the elderly and people working away
- Democratise the crony-packed House of Lords with PR elections
- Break up media monopolies
- Create an English Parliament to restore the constitutional balance upset by Labour’s devolution fiasco....
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: welshmen says... pwlldu wrote: Llanmartinangel says... BACK IN 1979 PEOPLE THOUGHT WALES WILL NEVER HAVE DEVOLUTION NEVER SAY NEVER.!!!! pwlldu says Llanmartin says...BACK IN 1979 PEOPLE THOUGHT WALES WILL NEVER HAVE DEVOLUTION NEVER SAY NEVER.!!!! what are you an Argus notice board, Walter Devereux says.. Typical no forward thing wast of a vote Commie Plaid Cymru...supporter... .Vote for a sensible Party who have British natives as a first priority, BNP, Britian First, UKIP, any of those will be better for WALES than Commie Plaid Cymru.... BNP, Britian First, UKIP, are a bunch of right wing neo nazi who would sit with the far right parties in Europe.[/p][/quote]You have a lot in common with the UAF and HNH, they are right up your train of thought, because they are also a bigoted anti-British racists, you also have similar Fascist Nazi views as them, you don't like the truth, you start your name calling when ever the truth is posted, you have no answers, just like your UAF & HNH mates, you don't do democracy your scared stiff of debate & the truth you cling to what your fed by your Commie Plaid Cymru Party who also want to flood this Country with more third would immigrants, how low do you have to sink to vote for more third worlder's to flood our Country and sponge of a Nation Built on our Natives Blood...read what Democracy is al about.... Once the Mother of Parliaments and a byword for honest, efficient government, British democracy now needs saving from a swamp of sleaze, corruption and incompetence. There is a growing crisis of democratic legitimacy caused by disillusioned voters refusing to take part in elections, the privatisation transfer of power and assets from democratic institutions to big business and the way in which a handful of media moguls channel and twist public discourse to favour themselves and allied vested interests. The entire political process was customised by the Blair regime to benefit the Labour Party, while the whole political elite has engaged in the worst gerrymandering exercise in history by replacing ‘unreliable’ British voters by client immigrant groups who owe their very presence here to the politicians who fall over themselves for their votes. The British National Party will restore genuine democracy by breaking the monopoly power of the corporate media and the institutionally anti-British BBC to set the confines of ‘respectable’ debate and to set the electoral agenda. We will return to democratically elected local government and to local communities the powers usurped by the EU, Westminster, Whitehall and by big business. Believing that government should be as close to the people as possible, and in keeping with our reverence for tradition, we would restore the ancient pre-1974 counties and devolve as much power as possible from higher levels of government to County Council level. - Root out corruption by jailing politicians who take bribes and confiscate the assets of businesses caught trying to buy favours - Ban politicians from ever taking jobs or benefits from big businesses that have benefitted in any way from decisions and votes made by them while in office - Abolish postal voting for all except the very ill, the elderly and people working away - Democratise the crony-packed House of Lords with PR elections - Break up media monopolies - Create an English Parliament to restore the constitutional balance upset by Labour’s devolution fiasco.... welshmen
  • Score: -2

2:01am Sun 18 May 14

Spinflight says...

"UKIP, are a bunch of right wing neo nazi who would sit with the far right parties in Europe."

Come and meet the local branch before you slander us. Far more ex-labour or never voted before than tories. Ex BNP or NF and the like not welcome of course.


www.ukipnewport.com
"UKIP, are a bunch of right wing neo nazi who would sit with the far right parties in Europe." Come and meet the local branch before you slander us. Far more ex-labour or never voted before than tories. Ex BNP or NF and the like not welcome of course. www.ukipnewport.com Spinflight
  • Score: -1

10:51am Sun 18 May 14

newporteast says...

if you want change DON'T vote labour or tory
if you want change DON'T vote labour or tory newporteast
  • Score: 0

6:03am Mon 19 May 14

Independentvoter says...

Hey everyone - including the editorial team at The Argus.

Take a look at the photo of a ukip Candidate giving the British people the one finger on Facebook. Everyone is outraged! I think they have 60,000 shares in one day.

That's a lot of lost votes for ukip LOL.

True colours shining through !!!!!!!!!
Hey everyone - including the editorial team at The Argus. Take a look at the photo of a ukip Candidate giving the British people the one finger on Facebook. Everyone is outraged! I think they have 60,000 shares in one day. That's a lot of lost votes for ukip LOL. True colours shining through !!!!!!!!! Independentvoter
  • Score: 0

9:49am Mon 19 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Independentvoter wrote:
Hey everyone - including the editorial team at The Argus.

Take a look at the photo of a ukip Candidate giving the British people the one finger on Facebook. Everyone is outraged! I think they have 60,000 shares in one day.

That's a lot of lost votes for ukip LOL.

True colours shining through !!!!!!!!!
I still think they stand to gain a lot of votes. Any sort of support for migrants or such just supports the UKIP view, people really do not believe our government has any handle on it, and every time they try to blacken the UKIP gets the UKIP more votes, better they shut up and let the people decide. There is no such thing as bad publicity, maybe they are playing into the UKIP hands. if the UKIP decides to tone it down they may walk straight into European Parliament, part of me wants to see this, because the power has swung to Europe, that is fact and the UK needs to run its own country, because bigger is NOT better. Those who carp about the UKIP wanting in to Europe to protest, say little about the freeloading Labour and Tories that already do this !
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: Hey everyone - including the editorial team at The Argus. Take a look at the photo of a ukip Candidate giving the British people the one finger on Facebook. Everyone is outraged! I think they have 60,000 shares in one day. That's a lot of lost votes for ukip LOL. True colours shining through !!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]I still think they stand to gain a lot of votes. Any sort of support for migrants or such just supports the UKIP view, people really do not believe our government has any handle on it, and every time they try to blacken the UKIP gets the UKIP more votes, better they shut up and let the people decide. There is no such thing as bad publicity, maybe they are playing into the UKIP hands. if the UKIP decides to tone it down they may walk straight into European Parliament, part of me wants to see this, because the power has swung to Europe, that is fact and the UK needs to run its own country, because bigger is NOT better. Those who carp about the UKIP wanting in to Europe to protest, say little about the freeloading Labour and Tories that already do this ! Mervyn James
  • Score: 1

10:04am Mon 19 May 14

-trigg- says...

pwlldu wrote:
There is no 'English' and 'Welsh' I doubt many English people will agree with you. When the English football team is re-named GB team.
I don't think many English people would mind too much if the addition of Bale and Ramsey actually gave them a chance of winning something, and there was plenty of support during the Olympics.

I'm not sure if calling it a GB team would be fair though, since I can't name a single Scottish player who would get into the side.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: There is no 'English' and 'Welsh' I doubt many English people will agree with you. When the English football team is re-named GB team.[/p][/quote]I don't think many English people would mind too much if the addition of Bale and Ramsey actually gave them a chance of winning something, and there was plenty of support during the Olympics. I'm not sure if calling it a GB team would be fair though, since I can't name a single Scottish player who would get into the side. -trigg-
  • Score: 3

2:43pm Mon 19 May 14

pwlldu says...

welshmen says... BLAH!, BLAH!, BLAH! such a bigot. You will go far with Nigel.
welshmen says... BLAH!, BLAH!, BLAH! such a bigot. You will go far with Nigel. pwlldu
  • Score: -1

2:45pm Mon 19 May 14

pwlldu says...

Trigg Wales is a country and like it or not tough. England is a country and both are mentioned in history book.
Trigg Wales is a country and like it or not tough. England is a country and both are mentioned in history book. pwlldu
  • Score: -5

3:28pm Mon 19 May 14

-trigg- says...

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't Wales technically a prinicpality rather than a country?
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't Wales technically a prinicpality rather than a country? -trigg-
  • Score: 6

6:41pm Mon 19 May 14

welshmen says...

pwlldu wrote:
welshmen says... BLAH!, BLAH!, BLAH! such a bigot. You will go far with Nigel.
two short planks come to mind piddlypoo....
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: welshmen says... BLAH!, BLAH!, BLAH! such a bigot. You will go far with Nigel.[/p][/quote]two short planks come to mind piddlypoo.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

6:42pm Mon 19 May 14

varteg1 says...

Merv says...........Cardi
ff is 150 miles from London in travel terms, but a whole cultural difference in real terms.


Care to elucidate on that Merv?

Just what 'culture' can your demonstrate that differentiates the bulk of Welsh 'residents' (I refrain from saying Welsh people for sound reasons), from anyone else living in the UK?

We all read the same newspapers, watch the same TV, well the vast majority do, play the same games, visit the cinema to see the same films, but I suppose the few festivals that pop up in this region from time to time, and which are promoted and organised by the same crews that have caused the creation of that useless load of junk in the Bay of Pigs and managed to maneouver the political establishment into forcing that language onto the public and educational agenda, gives rise to the belief that somewhere under that lies a 'culture' that is to that same vast majority all but invisible.

But I am willing to learn, so please as requested,,......,el
ucidate.
Merv says...........Cardi ff is 150 miles from London in travel terms, but a whole cultural difference in real terms. Care to elucidate on that Merv? Just what 'culture' can your demonstrate that differentiates the bulk of Welsh 'residents' (I refrain from saying Welsh people for sound reasons), from anyone else living in the UK? We all read the same newspapers, watch the same TV, well the vast majority do, play the same games, visit the cinema to see the same films, but I suppose the few festivals that pop up in this region from time to time, and which are promoted and organised by the same crews that have caused the creation of that useless load of junk in the Bay of Pigs and managed to maneouver the political establishment into forcing that language onto the public and educational agenda, gives rise to the belief that somewhere under that lies a 'culture' that is to that same vast majority all but invisible. But I am willing to learn, so please as requested,,......,el ucidate. varteg1
  • Score: 3

7:41pm Mon 19 May 14

Woodgnome says...

Welsh Labour ? - even the name Labour is an anachronism. It's currently Welsh unemployed, failing Welsh schools and failing Welsh NHS to name but a few.
Welsh Labour ? - even the name Labour is an anachronism. It's currently Welsh unemployed, failing Welsh schools and failing Welsh NHS to name but a few. Woodgnome
  • Score: 3

11:00pm Mon 19 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Trigg Wales is a country and like it or not tough. England is a country and both are mentioned in history book.
You can say that as often as you like. The United Nations would categorically give the lie to it. In other words, saying isn't doing. Wales is no more a country than Kent or Cornwall.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Trigg Wales is a country and like it or not tough. England is a country and both are mentioned in history book.[/p][/quote]You can say that as often as you like. The United Nations would categorically give the lie to it. In other words, saying isn't doing. Wales is no more a country than Kent or Cornwall. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 2

10:45pm Wed 21 May 14

pwlldu says...

welshmen says... takes one to know one.
welshmen says... takes one to know one. pwlldu
  • Score: -2

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