Train of thought

First published in Letters

THE ARGUS of May 1 advised that because of work on the main line between Newport and Cardiff, trains from Cardiff to Ebbw Vale would start from and terminate at Newport for two weeks. There would be one train per hour in each direction.

It would be interesting to note how many people made the journey to/from Newport during this period that normally use the bus or car. How much publicity was given to this diversion to encourage people to make use of it for the limited period and were travellers charged the fare via Cardiff even though the service was direct from Newport.

I still believe that it would be possible to operate a combined service from Newport and Cardiff with trains combining/dividing at Rogerstone or Pye Corner.

Allan Rooks Newport

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1:54pm Tue 13 May 14

-trigg- says...

My experience so far has been that the train has been less busy during the daily commute during the engineering works. Of course, its unlikely any commuters working in Newport would change their usual habits when the diversion is for such a limited period.

I would like to see an additional train running on this line as part of the regular service terminating and departing from Newport. I have no doubt that the line can support more than 1 train an hour in each direction with at most only minimal work required and if the service was there people would use it.
My experience so far has been that the train has been less busy during the daily commute during the engineering works. Of course, its unlikely any commuters working in Newport would change their usual habits when the diversion is for such a limited period. I would like to see an additional train running on this line as part of the regular service terminating and departing from Newport. I have no doubt that the line can support more than 1 train an hour in each direction with at most only minimal work required and if the service was there people would use it. -trigg-
  • Score: 4

1:58pm Tue 13 May 14

Campaign for better transport/Swites.org.uk says...

Dear alan
We note and understand your thoughts ? BUT
You to give you the true facts, to spit a train unit you need staff at the location of the split. Now the moden railway train operating companies cannot do.
Because of the train unit make up. There are only driving cabs on each end and not in the middle to split. And of course if you could you now need two drivers and two train managers, for different destinations.
That's why we where so aderment the proposed station at pye corner in the wrong place. An interchange station was needed lower down .
where there is double track and trains can pass. We said the goldenmile or gaer park jcn. We were ignored by the way stage three of the welsh assembly
transport plan is to connect . Rhiwderin, machen, bedwas, cearphilly, so that's
why we told everyone of course, look to the future needs of the south east wales transport integration, It does worry us that there is concept of the veiws or needs of community's, commuters or business in the Newport, vales and the marches region.
Dear alan We note and understand your thoughts ? BUT You to give you the true facts, to spit a train unit you need staff at the location of the split. Now the moden railway train operating companies cannot do. Because of the train unit make up. There are only driving cabs on each end and not in the middle to split. And of course if you could you now need two drivers and two train managers, for different destinations. That's why we where so aderment the proposed station at pye corner in the wrong place. An interchange station was needed lower down . where there is double track and trains can pass. We said the goldenmile or gaer park jcn. We were ignored by the way stage three of the welsh assembly transport plan is to connect . Rhiwderin, machen, bedwas, cearphilly, so that's why we told everyone of course, look to the future needs of the south east wales transport integration, It does worry us that there is concept of the veiws or needs of community's, commuters or business in the Newport, vales and the marches region. Campaign for better transport/Swites.org.uk
  • Score: -2

3:21pm Tue 13 May 14

Walter Devereux says...

Campaign for better transport/Swites.org
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wrote:
Dear alan
We note and understand your thoughts ? BUT
You to give you the true facts, to spit a train unit you need staff at the location of the split. Now the moden railway train operating companies cannot do.
Because of the train unit make up. There are only driving cabs on each end and not in the middle to split. And of course if you could you now need two drivers and two train managers, for different destinations.
That's why we where so aderment the proposed station at pye corner in the wrong place. An interchange station was needed lower down .
where there is double track and trains can pass. We said the goldenmile or gaer park jcn. We were ignored by the way stage three of the welsh assembly
transport plan is to connect . Rhiwderin, machen, bedwas, cearphilly, so that's
why we told everyone of course, look to the future needs of the south east wales transport integration, It does worry us that there is concept of the veiws or needs of community's, commuters or business in the Newport, vales and the marches region.
Obviously one could combine two single-car class 153s which have a driving cab at each end, or even two two-car 150s, 158s, etc. That is not a problem. The timetable could quite easily alternate between Cardiff and Newport without any additional infrastructure or staffing. When the plan to link Caerphilly comes to fruition a station at Golden Mile or Gaer Park junction can easily be provided. All we need is the will of the politicians.
[quote][p][bold]Campaign for better transport/Swites.org .uk[/bold] wrote: Dear alan We note and understand your thoughts ? BUT You to give you the true facts, to spit a train unit you need staff at the location of the split. Now the moden railway train operating companies cannot do. Because of the train unit make up. There are only driving cabs on each end and not in the middle to split. And of course if you could you now need two drivers and two train managers, for different destinations. That's why we where so aderment the proposed station at pye corner in the wrong place. An interchange station was needed lower down . where there is double track and trains can pass. We said the goldenmile or gaer park jcn. We were ignored by the way stage three of the welsh assembly transport plan is to connect . Rhiwderin, machen, bedwas, cearphilly, so that's why we told everyone of course, look to the future needs of the south east wales transport integration, It does worry us that there is concept of the veiws or needs of community's, commuters or business in the Newport, vales and the marches region.[/p][/quote]Obviously one could combine two single-car class 153s which have a driving cab at each end, or even two two-car 150s, 158s, etc. That is not a problem. The timetable could quite easily alternate between Cardiff and Newport without any additional infrastructure or staffing. When the plan to link Caerphilly comes to fruition a station at Golden Mile or Gaer Park junction can easily be provided. All we need is the will of the politicians. Walter Devereux
  • Score: 6

3:36pm Tue 13 May 14

Bobevans says...

Campaign for better transport/Swites.org
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wrote:
Dear alan
We note and understand your thoughts ? BUT
You to give you the true facts, to spit a train unit you need staff at the location of the split. Now the moden railway train operating companies cannot do.
Because of the train unit make up. There are only driving cabs on each end and not in the middle to split. And of course if you could you now need two drivers and two train managers, for different destinations.
That's why we where so aderment the proposed station at pye corner in the wrong place. An interchange station was needed lower down .
where there is double track and trains can pass. We said the goldenmile or gaer park jcn. We were ignored by the way stage three of the welsh assembly
transport plan is to connect . Rhiwderin, machen, bedwas, cearphilly, so that's
why we told everyone of course, look to the future needs of the south east wales transport integration, It does worry us that there is concept of the veiws or needs of community's, commuters or business in the Newport, vales and the marches region.
It depends on the units used. Two single car units would have a cab at each end or two two car units. In the past staff were needed to split trains but with modern rolling stock no staff are needed
[quote][p][bold]Campaign for better transport/Swites.org .uk[/bold] wrote: Dear alan We note and understand your thoughts ? BUT You to give you the true facts, to spit a train unit you need staff at the location of the split. Now the moden railway train operating companies cannot do. Because of the train unit make up. There are only driving cabs on each end and not in the middle to split. And of course if you could you now need two drivers and two train managers, for different destinations. That's why we where so aderment the proposed station at pye corner in the wrong place. An interchange station was needed lower down . where there is double track and trains can pass. We said the goldenmile or gaer park jcn. We were ignored by the way stage three of the welsh assembly transport plan is to connect . Rhiwderin, machen, bedwas, cearphilly, so that's why we told everyone of course, look to the future needs of the south east wales transport integration, It does worry us that there is concept of the veiws or needs of community's, commuters or business in the Newport, vales and the marches region.[/p][/quote]It depends on the units used. Two single car units would have a cab at each end or two two car units. In the past staff were needed to split trains but with modern rolling stock no staff are needed Bobevans
  • Score: 0

4:28pm Tue 13 May 14

Realist UK says...

It's quite obvious a shuttle service Ebbw Vale to Newport is workable without re-signalling but the question remains "who keeps opposing the idea"?
It's quite obvious a shuttle service Ebbw Vale to Newport is workable without re-signalling but the question remains "who keeps opposing the idea"? Realist UK
  • Score: 8

8:09pm Tue 13 May 14

Campaign for better transport/Swites.org.uk says...

You are correct. BUT you still need staff to drive and (be guard) train manage
each unit. To it's destination. We in now way trying to stop, Anyone from thinking ahead we like all your thoughts and it's a pleasure to help ?
If we can with facts.
You are correct. BUT you still need staff to drive and (be guard) train manage each unit. To it's destination. We in now way trying to stop, Anyone from thinking ahead we like all your thoughts and it's a pleasure to help ? If we can with facts. Campaign for better transport/Swites.org.uk
  • Score: -3

12:26am Wed 14 May 14

mocyoung says...

One thing I've noticed is that Ebbw Vale services terminating at NWP have taken up the entirety of Platform 4 while on their "turnaround", thus limiting capacity through NWP for eastbound services using P3 only.... of course this week it hasn't been THAT noticeable due to most of the xx:36 ex-Cardiff Holyhead services not running; however the loss of an east/northbound platform so that Ebbw Valley services can terminate at Newport is potentially a stumbling block to overcome - unless Network Fail can buy back some of the NCP car park and create a Platform 5 on the old Godfrey Road loco stabling yard site??
One thing I've noticed is that Ebbw Vale services terminating at NWP have taken up the entirety of Platform 4 while on their "turnaround", thus limiting capacity through NWP for eastbound services using P3 only.... of course this week it hasn't been THAT noticeable due to most of the xx:36 ex-Cardiff Holyhead services not running; however the loss of an east/northbound platform so that Ebbw Valley services can terminate at Newport is potentially a stumbling block to overcome - unless Network Fail can buy back some of the NCP car park and create a Platform 5 on the old Godfrey Road loco stabling yard site?? mocyoung
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10:42am Wed 14 May 14

Campaign for better transport/Swites.org.uk says...

YES ?
That is why we have said in the plan given to the city council trains must not terminate in newport. But carry on to sevice the south wales east region.
As we said maybe commuters from pontypool, cwmbran. Ponthir. Caerleon, or
Chepstow , magor. Llanwern, alway, maindee, uskmouth, wetlands, Newport sports village, lliswery, somerton, There are are more but that enough,
As you can see we have done the home work?. Now we are wait for Newport city council to formulate a plan to integrate busses and walking and cycling routes. But the first thing is the political will to regenerate. Or thay can do nothing ?
YES ? That is why we have said in the plan given to the city council trains must not terminate in newport. But carry on to sevice the south wales east region. As we said maybe commuters from pontypool, cwmbran. Ponthir. Caerleon, or Chepstow , magor. Llanwern, alway, maindee, uskmouth, wetlands, Newport sports village, lliswery, somerton, There are are more but that enough, As you can see we have done the home work?. Now we are wait for Newport city council to formulate a plan to integrate busses and walking and cycling routes. But the first thing is the political will to regenerate. Or thay can do nothing ? Campaign for better transport/Swites.org.uk
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12:09pm Wed 14 May 14

Bobevans says...

Campaign for better transport/Swites.org
.uk
wrote:
You are correct. BUT you still need staff to drive and (be guard) train manage
each unit. To it's destination. We in now way trying to stop, Anyone from thinking ahead we like all your thoughts and it's a pleasure to help ?
If we can with facts.
You do not need a guard nor would you need a train manager for a one or two car train going from Rogerstone to Newport. All you need is a driver to cover the Newport to Rogerstone section
[quote][p][bold]Campaign for better transport/Swites.org .uk[/bold] wrote: You are correct. BUT you still need staff to drive and (be guard) train manage each unit. To it's destination. We in now way trying to stop, Anyone from thinking ahead we like all your thoughts and it's a pleasure to help ? If we can with facts.[/p][/quote]You do not need a guard nor would you need a train manager for a one or two car train going from Rogerstone to Newport. All you need is a driver to cover the Newport to Rogerstone section Bobevans
  • Score: -4

7:36pm Wed 14 May 14

blackandamber says...

Realist UK wrote:
It's quite obvious a shuttle service Ebbw Vale to Newport is workable without re-signalling but the question remains "who keeps opposing the idea"?
Why not contact your MP. But don't hold your breath waiting for a straight answer.
[quote][p][bold]Realist UK[/bold] wrote: It's quite obvious a shuttle service Ebbw Vale to Newport is workable without re-signalling but the question remains "who keeps opposing the idea"?[/p][/quote]Why not contact your MP. But don't hold your breath waiting for a straight answer. blackandamber
  • Score: 1

8:15pm Wed 14 May 14

Campaign for better transport/Swites.org.uk says...

Network rail don't have to buy anything thay have plenty of room in the triangle yard. At maindee bank jest over the usk bridge at clearance place.
to hold units or change ends or staff?. By the way you could put a platform in the triangle and sevice clearance place and rodney prd and Caerleon rd ?
saving police time on match days?
Network rail don't have to buy anything thay have plenty of room in the triangle yard. At maindee bank jest over the usk bridge at clearance place. to hold units or change ends or staff?. By the way you could put a platform in the triangle and sevice clearance place and rodney prd and Caerleon rd ? saving police time on match days? Campaign for better transport/Swites.org.uk
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12:47am Thu 15 May 14

mocyoung says...

Bobevans wrote:
Campaign for better transport/Swites.org

.uk
wrote:
You are correct. BUT you still need staff to drive and (be guard) train manage
each unit. To it's destination. We in now way trying to stop, Anyone from thinking ahead we like all your thoughts and it's a pleasure to help ?
If we can with facts.
You do not need a guard nor would you need a train manager for a one or two car train going from Rogerstone to Newport. All you need is a driver to cover the Newport to Rogerstone section
You cannot split a 2-car DMU (like Class 150 or 158) but you can run 2x class 153s as these are self-contained one-car trains with cabs at either end. However you still need 2 sets of staff. The guard is not just for the tickets, he is in charge of the train. He does the doors, despatches the train etc. Arriva trains are not DOO.

A direct Ebbw Vale to Abergavenny service would be a good idea (you can terminate and reverse trains at Abergavenny).
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Campaign for better transport/Swites.org .uk[/bold] wrote: You are correct. BUT you still need staff to drive and (be guard) train manage each unit. To it's destination. We in now way trying to stop, Anyone from thinking ahead we like all your thoughts and it's a pleasure to help ? If we can with facts.[/p][/quote]You do not need a guard nor would you need a train manager for a one or two car train going from Rogerstone to Newport. All you need is a driver to cover the Newport to Rogerstone section[/p][/quote]You cannot split a 2-car DMU (like Class 150 or 158) but you can run 2x class 153s as these are self-contained one-car trains with cabs at either end. However you still need 2 sets of staff. The guard is not just for the tickets, he is in charge of the train. He does the doors, despatches the train etc. Arriva trains are not DOO. A direct Ebbw Vale to Abergavenny service would be a good idea (you can terminate and reverse trains at Abergavenny). mocyoung
  • Score: 2

1:20am Thu 15 May 14

Campaign for better transport/Swites.org.uk says...

Now that is a service.
To be required for the region, Help to all commuters.
Only hope power's tobe are taking note ? BUT We are Thank you
Now that is a service. To be required for the region, Help to all commuters. Only hope power's tobe are taking note ? BUT We are Thank you Campaign for better transport/Swites.org.uk
  • Score: -2

12:29pm Thu 15 May 14

Walter Devereux says...

Before the 1961 resignalling Newport High Street's main platforms were all split in two with scissors cross-overs on the through tracks. Platform nos 1/2, 4/5 and 6/7 could all be used independently with short enough trains. With today's shorter multiple units this arrangement makes even more sense. Failing that it would be trivial to install a bay platform on the Godfrey Road side as already stated.
Before the 1961 resignalling Newport High Street's main platforms were all split in two with scissors cross-overs on the through tracks. Platform nos 1/2, 4/5 and 6/7 could all be used independently with short enough trains. With today's shorter multiple units this arrangement makes even more sense. Failing that it would be trivial to install a bay platform on the Godfrey Road side as already stated. Walter Devereux
  • Score: 4

8:25am Sat 17 May 14

Bobevans says...

mocyoung wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Campaign for better transport/Swites.org


.uk
wrote:
You are correct. BUT you still need staff to drive and (be guard) train manage
each unit. To it's destination. We in now way trying to stop, Anyone from thinking ahead we like all your thoughts and it's a pleasure to help ?
If we can with facts.
You do not need a guard nor would you need a train manager for a one or two car train going from Rogerstone to Newport. All you need is a driver to cover the Newport to Rogerstone section
You cannot split a 2-car DMU (like Class 150 or 158) but you can run 2x class 153s as these are self-contained one-car trains with cabs at either end. However you still need 2 sets of staff. The guard is not just for the tickets, he is in charge of the train. He does the doors, despatches the train etc. Arriva trains are not DOO.

A direct Ebbw Vale to Abergavenny service would be a good idea (you can terminate and reverse trains at Abergavenny).
Strange how everywhere else in the UK they don't need a guard or a train manager on local train services.
[quote][p][bold]mocyoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Campaign for better transport/Swites.org .uk[/bold] wrote: You are correct. BUT you still need staff to drive and (be guard) train manage each unit. To it's destination. We in now way trying to stop, Anyone from thinking ahead we like all your thoughts and it's a pleasure to help ? If we can with facts.[/p][/quote]You do not need a guard nor would you need a train manager for a one or two car train going from Rogerstone to Newport. All you need is a driver to cover the Newport to Rogerstone section[/p][/quote]You cannot split a 2-car DMU (like Class 150 or 158) but you can run 2x class 153s as these are self-contained one-car trains with cabs at either end. However you still need 2 sets of staff. The guard is not just for the tickets, he is in charge of the train. He does the doors, despatches the train etc. Arriva trains are not DOO. A direct Ebbw Vale to Abergavenny service would be a good idea (you can terminate and reverse trains at Abergavenny).[/p][/quote]Strange how everywhere else in the UK they don't need a guard or a train manager on local train services. Bobevans
  • Score: -3

10:28pm Sun 18 May 14

mocyoung says...

Oh Bob, you do talk such rubbish. Our trains, platforms and stations are not DOO compliant, nor are our drivers DOO trained. Plus your assertation that EVERYWHERE else in the UK is DOO is wrong - in fact it is only in London and parts of Scotland where DOO is the norm. I suggest you do your research before posting factually inaccurate comments on a public forum, lest it make you look stupid and reactionary.
Oh Bob, you do talk such rubbish. Our trains, platforms and stations are not DOO compliant, nor are our drivers DOO trained. Plus your assertation that EVERYWHERE else in the UK is DOO is wrong - in fact it is only in London and parts of Scotland where DOO is the norm. I suggest you do your research before posting factually inaccurate comments on a public forum, lest it make you look stupid and reactionary. mocyoung
  • Score: 1

9:12am Mon 19 May 14

Bobevans says...

mocyoung wrote:
Oh Bob, you do talk such rubbish. Our trains, platforms and stations are not DOO compliant, nor are our drivers DOO trained. Plus your assertation that EVERYWHERE else in the UK is DOO is wrong - in fact it is only in London and parts of Scotland where DOO is the norm. I suggest you do your research before posting factually inaccurate comments on a public forum, lest it make you look stupid and reactionary.
I am afraid it is you looking silly 40% of UK passenger trains are DOO. Those not DOO are mainly Intercity & Cross Country services
[quote][p][bold]mocyoung[/bold] wrote: Oh Bob, you do talk such rubbish. Our trains, platforms and stations are not DOO compliant, nor are our drivers DOO trained. Plus your assertation that EVERYWHERE else in the UK is DOO is wrong - in fact it is only in London and parts of Scotland where DOO is the norm. I suggest you do your research before posting factually inaccurate comments on a public forum, lest it make you look stupid and reactionary.[/p][/quote]I am afraid it is you looking silly 40% of UK passenger trains are DOO. Those not DOO are mainly Intercity & Cross Country services Bobevans
  • Score: -2

12:48pm Mon 19 May 14

throwy1 says...

Campaign for better transport/Swites.org
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wrote:
Dear alan
We note and understand your thoughts ? BUT
You to give you the true facts, to spit a train unit you need staff at the location of the split. Now the moden railway train operating companies cannot do.
Because of the train unit make up. There are only driving cabs on each end and not in the middle to split. And of course if you could you now need two drivers and two train managers, for different destinations.
That's why we where so aderment the proposed station at pye corner in the wrong place. An interchange station was needed lower down .
where there is double track and trains can pass. We said the goldenmile or gaer park jcn. We were ignored by the way stage three of the welsh assembly
transport plan is to connect . Rhiwderin, machen, bedwas, cearphilly, so that's
why we told everyone of course, look to the future needs of the south east wales transport integration, It does worry us that there is concept of the veiws or needs of community's, commuters or business in the Newport, vales and the marches region.
I would agree with other posters on this issue and suggest that two self contained units are coupled together thus insuring a split at the appropriate place.
It is a couple of years since I made the Newport/Cardiff commute by train on a regular basis, now I much prefer the choices personal transport gives me. It is nice to see things haven't changed when I made the journey by train last Friday. The outward journey was uneventful enough just my usual experience of a sardine can on wheels. The return journey hilarious. Firstly a delayed Gloucester came in at 4.21 and 90% of those stood on Platform 1 rushed to it. Even platform staff remarked how ridiculous it was. Now given with a 125 coming in less than 2 minutes later a Dispatcher confirmed to me that the Gloucester would be held prior to Newport to let the London through, so I waited for the London. The London was as overcrowded as ever was the Gloucester held, not likely
[quote][p][bold]Campaign for better transport/Swites.org .uk[/bold] wrote: Dear alan We note and understand your thoughts ? BUT You to give you the true facts, to spit a train unit you need staff at the location of the split. Now the moden railway train operating companies cannot do. Because of the train unit make up. There are only driving cabs on each end and not in the middle to split. And of course if you could you now need two drivers and two train managers, for different destinations. That's why we where so aderment the proposed station at pye corner in the wrong place. An interchange station was needed lower down . where there is double track and trains can pass. We said the goldenmile or gaer park jcn. We were ignored by the way stage three of the welsh assembly transport plan is to connect . Rhiwderin, machen, bedwas, cearphilly, so that's why we told everyone of course, look to the future needs of the south east wales transport integration, It does worry us that there is concept of the veiws or needs of community's, commuters or business in the Newport, vales and the marches region.[/p][/quote]I would agree with other posters on this issue and suggest that two self contained units are coupled together thus insuring a split at the appropriate place. It is a couple of years since I made the Newport/Cardiff commute by train on a regular basis, now I much prefer the choices personal transport gives me. It is nice to see things haven't changed when I made the journey by train last Friday. The outward journey was uneventful enough just my usual experience of a sardine can on wheels. The return journey hilarious. Firstly a delayed Gloucester came in at 4.21 and 90% of those stood on Platform 1 rushed to it. Even platform staff remarked how ridiculous it was. Now given with a 125 coming in less than 2 minutes later a Dispatcher confirmed to me that the Gloucester would be held prior to Newport to let the London through, so I waited for the London. The London was as overcrowded as ever was the Gloucester held, not likely throwy1
  • Score: 1

12:58pm Mon 19 May 14

-trigg- says...

throwy1 wrote:
Campaign for better transport/Swites.org .uk wrote: Dear alan We note and understand your thoughts ? BUT You to give you the true facts, to spit a train unit you need staff at the location of the split. Now the moden railway train operating companies cannot do. Because of the train unit make up. There are only driving cabs on each end and not in the middle to split. And of course if you could you now need two drivers and two train managers, for different destinations. That's why we where so aderment the proposed station at pye corner in the wrong place. An interchange station was needed lower down . where there is double track and trains can pass. We said the goldenmile or gaer park jcn. We were ignored by the way stage three of the welsh assembly transport plan is to connect . Rhiwderin, machen, bedwas, cearphilly, so that's why we told everyone of course, look to the future needs of the south east wales transport integration, It does worry us that there is concept of the veiws or needs of community's, commuters or business in the Newport, vales and the marches region.
I would agree with other posters on this issue and suggest that two self contained units are coupled together thus insuring a split at the appropriate place. It is a couple of years since I made the Newport/Cardiff commute by train on a regular basis, now I much prefer the choices personal transport gives me. It is nice to see things haven't changed when I made the journey by train last Friday. The outward journey was uneventful enough just my usual experience of a sardine can on wheels. The return journey hilarious. Firstly a delayed Gloucester came in at 4.21 and 90% of those stood on Platform 1 rushed to it. Even platform staff remarked how ridiculous it was. Now given with a 125 coming in less than 2 minutes later a Dispatcher confirmed to me that the Gloucester would be held prior to Newport to let the London through, so I waited for the London. The London was as overcrowded as ever was the Gloucester held, not likely
I was in the same situation and reasoned that the Portsmouth train would depart at its scheduled time of 16:26 so made my way to that platform instead of trying to somehow squeeze into the Gloucester train or wait for the much-delayed London service.

There were plenty of seats on that train. However this was the only bright spot as we were held at the platform while the delayed London train pulled in, loaded up with passengers and then departed, eventually leaving 10 minutes behind schedule.

Unsurprisingly, this delay meant that the connecting train at Newport was missed and I instead had to endure the best part of an hour in that god-forsaken town waiting for the next one.
[quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Campaign for better transport/Swites.org .uk[/bold] wrote: Dear alan We note and understand your thoughts ? BUT You to give you the true facts, to spit a train unit you need staff at the location of the split. Now the moden railway train operating companies cannot do. Because of the train unit make up. There are only driving cabs on each end and not in the middle to split. And of course if you could you now need two drivers and two train managers, for different destinations. That's why we where so aderment the proposed station at pye corner in the wrong place. An interchange station was needed lower down . where there is double track and trains can pass. We said the goldenmile or gaer park jcn. We were ignored by the way stage three of the welsh assembly transport plan is to connect . Rhiwderin, machen, bedwas, cearphilly, so that's why we told everyone of course, look to the future needs of the south east wales transport integration, It does worry us that there is concept of the veiws or needs of community's, commuters or business in the Newport, vales and the marches region.[/p][/quote]I would agree with other posters on this issue and suggest that two self contained units are coupled together thus insuring a split at the appropriate place. It is a couple of years since I made the Newport/Cardiff commute by train on a regular basis, now I much prefer the choices personal transport gives me. It is nice to see things haven't changed when I made the journey by train last Friday. The outward journey was uneventful enough just my usual experience of a sardine can on wheels. The return journey hilarious. Firstly a delayed Gloucester came in at 4.21 and 90% of those stood on Platform 1 rushed to it. Even platform staff remarked how ridiculous it was. Now given with a 125 coming in less than 2 minutes later a Dispatcher confirmed to me that the Gloucester would be held prior to Newport to let the London through, so I waited for the London. The London was as overcrowded as ever was the Gloucester held, not likely[/p][/quote]I was in the same situation and reasoned that the Portsmouth train would depart at its scheduled time of 16:26 so made my way to that platform instead of trying to somehow squeeze into the Gloucester train or wait for the much-delayed London service. There were plenty of seats on that train. However this was the only bright spot as we were held at the platform while the delayed London train pulled in, loaded up with passengers and then departed, eventually leaving 10 minutes behind schedule. Unsurprisingly, this delay meant that the connecting train at Newport was missed and I instead had to endure the best part of an hour in that god-forsaken town waiting for the next one. -trigg-
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