Welsh question

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WE HEAR so much about the Welsh Language in the letters page recently. People complaining that councils are not doing enough for the language, which of course costs money! What I find very bizarre though, are the people who show strong feeling for the Welsh language always write to the letters page in English. When they are on TV complaining about issues they speak in English, instead of using the Welsh language.

So why are these people complaining about the lack of use of the Welsh language, when they should be encouraging the use of the Welsh language through the letters page, strange?

D. Mould Western Avenue Casnewydd

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12:50pm Mon 19 May 14

-trigg- says...

They might just as well write to the letters page in Latin in that case. Actually, forget that. If they wrote in Latin more people would be able to understand them than if they wrote in Welsh.
They might just as well write to the letters page in Latin in that case. Actually, forget that. If they wrote in Latin more people would be able to understand them than if they wrote in Welsh. -trigg-
  • Score: 14

2:36pm Mon 19 May 14

pwlldu says...

People do complain in Welsh but only Welsh speakers can read it. The English only brigade can only read English.
People do complain in Welsh but only Welsh speakers can read it. The English only brigade can only read English. pwlldu
  • Score: -10

4:10pm Mon 19 May 14

pbhj says...

>" The English only brigade ..." //

FWIW I've spoken up several times against the unrealistic promotion of ancient Welsh (as opposed to modern Welsh, aka English - spoken fluently by almost all the population).

I'm far from a proponent of "English only" - virtually any modern second language could be taught in schools (and should, starting in primary) and I would whole-heartedly support it. Chinese (Mandarin), Hindi/Urdu, Spanish, Arabic ... any of these languages would be useful both for the individual and for the future of the UK in the business world. Learning such languages enlarges the view of the individual too towards other cultures and experiences.

Similarly I have no problem with people learning Welsh, I've dabbled in a few languages that are going nowhere - Ugaritic, ancient Greek, Latin, ... they're fun and interesting, as is ancient Welsh. It's just not a language that should be taught compulsorily in schools or have government money spent on to promote against the obvious decline in it's use and utility.

We don't teach Breton or Catalan to kids either (unless they especially want to learn it).

There are questions over the teaching of English and Maths in Welsh schools - if the time devoted to Welsh (in every lesson and all intermediate times in primary school) were instead focussed on basic essentials this would serve the children far better.

All that said, the letter is silly - of course they write in English, they want everyone to be able to read it.
>" The English only brigade ..." // FWIW I've spoken up several times against the unrealistic promotion of ancient Welsh (as opposed to modern Welsh, aka English - spoken fluently by almost all the population). I'm far from a proponent of "English only" - virtually any modern second language could be taught in schools (and should, starting in primary) and I would whole-heartedly support it. Chinese (Mandarin), Hindi/Urdu, Spanish, Arabic ... any of these languages would be useful both for the individual and for the future of the UK in the business world. Learning such languages enlarges the view of the individual too towards other cultures and experiences. Similarly I have no problem with people learning Welsh, I've dabbled in a few languages that are going nowhere - Ugaritic, ancient Greek, Latin, ... they're fun and interesting, as is ancient Welsh. It's just not a language that should be taught compulsorily in schools or have government money spent on to promote against the obvious decline in it's use and utility. We don't teach Breton or Catalan to kids either (unless they especially want to learn it). There are questions over the teaching of English and Maths in Welsh schools - if the time devoted to Welsh (in every lesson and all intermediate times in primary school) were instead focussed on basic essentials this would serve the children far better. All that said, the letter is silly - of course they write in English, they want everyone to be able to read it. pbhj
  • Score: 14

4:30pm Mon 19 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

They could always write to Golwg. Trouble is it boasts a readership of 12000 per MONTH for the whole of Wales. More evidence that the number of claimed speakers is entirely made up.
They could always write to Golwg. Trouble is it boasts a readership of 12000 per MONTH for the whole of Wales. More evidence that the number of claimed speakers is entirely made up. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 13

4:34pm Mon 19 May 14

Mervyn James says...

ere we go, ere we go, ere we go :(
ere we go, ere we go, ere we go :( Mervyn James
  • Score: -13

4:41pm Mon 19 May 14

Stevenboy says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
They could always write to Golwg. Trouble is it boasts a readership of 12000 per MONTH for the whole of Wales. More evidence that the number of claimed speakers is entirely made up.
And guess who funds Golwg, you've guessed it, those generous (with our money) chappies and chapesses at the WAG. Bless 'em eh?
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: They could always write to Golwg. Trouble is it boasts a readership of 12000 per MONTH for the whole of Wales. More evidence that the number of claimed speakers is entirely made up.[/p][/quote]And guess who funds Golwg, you've guessed it, those generous (with our money) chappies and chapesses at the WAG. Bless 'em eh? Stevenboy
  • Score: 16

5:52pm Mon 19 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
They could always write to Golwg. Trouble is it boasts a readership of 12000 per MONTH for the whole of Wales. More evidence that the number of claimed speakers is entirely made up.
what is Golwg have to google it i take it its some welsh language crap produced by that other load of old tripe the WAG
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: They could always write to Golwg. Trouble is it boasts a readership of 12000 per MONTH for the whole of Wales. More evidence that the number of claimed speakers is entirely made up.[/p][/quote]what is Golwg have to google it i take it its some welsh language crap produced by that other load of old tripe the WAG scraptheWAG
  • Score: 11

7:33pm Mon 19 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Golwg360, is a welsh language news media :) Golwg means vision, sight, view, along those lines... Actually it covers world and British news as well as Welsh news, wales is a democracy don't you know :) It's a local media and if you cannot read welsh, free translation online will make it whatever you want Serbo-croat if you like. I always think those who refuse to look at things because they aren't in English lead a blinkered life mostly. Same people who see a subtiled film and groan, regardless if it is good or not, hey just won't watch.
Golwg360, is a welsh language news media :) Golwg means vision, sight, view, along those lines... Actually it covers world and British news as well as Welsh news, wales is a democracy don't you know :) It's a local media and if you cannot read welsh, free translation online will make it whatever you want Serbo-croat if you like. I always think those who refuse to look at things because they aren't in English lead a blinkered life mostly. Same people who see a subtiled film and groan, regardless if it is good or not, hey just won't watch. Mervyn James
  • Score: -10

8:27pm Mon 19 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

give it a rest merv nobody reads it its w waste of money like the stupid wag crap
give it a rest merv nobody reads it its w waste of money like the stupid wag crap scraptheWAG
  • Score: 10

9:27pm Mon 19 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Mervyn James wrote:
ere we go, ere we go, ere we go :(
Morning Merv, lovely morning. And the reasoned argument for the pro welsh lobby ( or flat earth society as we Wenglish know it ) continues unabated by your well balanced and informed response. For what it's worth Merv I hope you never change. I for one would miss the oh so predictable chain of comments that you follow. It starts off with trying to front up on factual evidence which is weak or twisted at best by skewed statistics from a politically correct biased WAG. When queries are raised purporting to your inane assumptions your response is usually along the lines of a school yard nah nah nee nah nahhhhh. Then you get all upset and pious about nobody takes me seriously which is usually followed with I am now choosing to ignore any more anti welsh activist comments. You then disappear off to the small group of fluent welsh speakers in Gwent who refuse to speak in the majority language where I assume your time is taken up standing in a circle surrounding a biscuit. Ever come last in a race Merv? There you wait schlong in hand untill another post appears and it starts all over again. Please don't change Merv. you are just constant entertainment.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: ere we go, ere we go, ere we go :([/p][/quote]Morning Merv, lovely morning. And the reasoned argument for the pro welsh lobby ( or flat earth society as we Wenglish know it ) continues unabated by your well balanced and informed response. For what it's worth Merv I hope you never change. I for one would miss the oh so predictable chain of comments that you follow. It starts off with trying to front up on factual evidence which is weak or twisted at best by skewed statistics from a politically correct biased WAG. When queries are raised purporting to your inane assumptions your response is usually along the lines of a school yard nah nah nee nah nahhhhh. Then you get all upset and pious about nobody takes me seriously which is usually followed with I am now choosing to ignore any more anti welsh activist comments. You then disappear off to the small group of fluent welsh speakers in Gwent who refuse to speak in the majority language where I assume your time is taken up standing in a circle surrounding a biscuit. Ever come last in a race Merv? There you wait schlong in hand untill another post appears and it starts all over again. Please don't change Merv. you are just constant entertainment. landyman3030
  • Score: 12

10:32pm Mon 19 May 14

Mwy Eira says...

Yawn. Typical anti-Welsh rubbish. So predictable and insulting as ever. Well done SWA.
Yawn. Typical anti-Welsh rubbish. So predictable and insulting as ever. Well done SWA. Mwy Eira
  • Score: -9

8:00am Tue 20 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Mwy Eira wrote:
Yawn. Typical anti-Welsh rubbish. So predictable and insulting as ever. Well done SWA.
How is it the SWA fault to provide the forum? SWA doesn't control the comments or feelings of the readers. Yet again you miss the point raised completely because the cap has covered your eyes and muffled your ears. I am not anti Welsh. I am anti indoctrination of a dead language to school children.
[quote][p][bold]Mwy Eira[/bold] wrote: Yawn. Typical anti-Welsh rubbish. So predictable and insulting as ever. Well done SWA.[/p][/quote]How is it the SWA fault to provide the forum? SWA doesn't control the comments or feelings of the readers. Yet again you miss the point raised completely because the cap has covered your eyes and muffled your ears. I am not anti Welsh. I am anti indoctrination of a dead language to school children. landyman3030
  • Score: 10

9:17am Tue 20 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Yawn...
Yawn... Mervyn James
  • Score: -11

9:45am Tue 20 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Golwg360, is a welsh language news media :) Golwg means vision, sight, view, along those lines... Actually it covers world and British news as well as Welsh news, wales is a democracy don't you know :) It's a local media and if you cannot read welsh, free translation online will make it whatever you want Serbo-croat if you like. I always think those who refuse to look at things because they aren't in English lead a blinkered life mostly. Same people who see a subtiled film and groan, regardless if it is good or not, hey just won't watch.
Once again you miss the point. 3% of people in Wales read a tax subsidised magazine, 3% press the Welsh option on cash machines, S4C is now broadcasting most of its content to no-one and 0.07 of National Savings customers in Wales correspond in Welsh. Yet we are told that some 20% speak it. Utter tripe. And Carwyn thinks the compulsory education policy 'as is' isn't working? Duh!
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Golwg360, is a welsh language news media :) Golwg means vision, sight, view, along those lines... Actually it covers world and British news as well as Welsh news, wales is a democracy don't you know :) It's a local media and if you cannot read welsh, free translation online will make it whatever you want Serbo-croat if you like. I always think those who refuse to look at things because they aren't in English lead a blinkered life mostly. Same people who see a subtiled film and groan, regardless if it is good or not, hey just won't watch.[/p][/quote]Once again you miss the point. 3% of people in Wales read a tax subsidised magazine, 3% press the Welsh option on cash machines, S4C is now broadcasting most of its content to no-one and 0.07 of National Savings customers in Wales correspond in Welsh. Yet we are told that some 20% speak it. Utter tripe. And Carwyn thinks the compulsory education policy 'as is' isn't working? Duh! Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 10

10:25am Tue 20 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Golwg360, is a welsh language news media :) Golwg means vision, sight, view, along those lines... Actually it covers world and British news as well as Welsh news, wales is a democracy don't you know :) It's a local media and if you cannot read welsh, free translation online will make it whatever you want Serbo-croat if you like. I always think those who refuse to look at things because they aren't in English lead a blinkered life mostly. Same people who see a subtiled film and groan, regardless if it is good or not, hey just won't watch.
Once again you miss the point. 3% of people in Wales read a tax subsidised magazine, 3% press the Welsh option on cash machines, S4C is now broadcasting most of its content to no-one and 0.07 of National Savings customers in Wales correspond in Welsh. Yet we are told that some 20% speak it. Utter tripe. And Carwyn thinks the compulsory education policy 'as is' isn't working? Duh!
Now now Llanmartinangel. Ole Merv doesn't want to hear percentages and statistics thrown at him. They disturb his lethargy with and ignorance of the current welsh economy and issues that the boring, over bearing Wenglish majority are facing on a daily basis.
I for one will just sit back and watch with great amusement as he continues to comment on and bemoan his very existence in his beloved Maindee and life in general as the inflated, waffling minority.
Yawn away Merv, yawn away.....
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Golwg360, is a welsh language news media :) Golwg means vision, sight, view, along those lines... Actually it covers world and British news as well as Welsh news, wales is a democracy don't you know :) It's a local media and if you cannot read welsh, free translation online will make it whatever you want Serbo-croat if you like. I always think those who refuse to look at things because they aren't in English lead a blinkered life mostly. Same people who see a subtiled film and groan, regardless if it is good or not, hey just won't watch.[/p][/quote]Once again you miss the point. 3% of people in Wales read a tax subsidised magazine, 3% press the Welsh option on cash machines, S4C is now broadcasting most of its content to no-one and 0.07 of National Savings customers in Wales correspond in Welsh. Yet we are told that some 20% speak it. Utter tripe. And Carwyn thinks the compulsory education policy 'as is' isn't working? Duh![/p][/quote]Now now Llanmartinangel. Ole Merv doesn't want to hear percentages and statistics thrown at him. They disturb his lethargy with and ignorance of the current welsh economy and issues that the boring, over bearing Wenglish majority are facing on a daily basis. I for one will just sit back and watch with great amusement as he continues to comment on and bemoan his very existence in his beloved Maindee and life in general as the inflated, waffling minority. Yawn away Merv, yawn away..... landyman3030
  • Score: 7

1:35pm Tue 20 May 14

hefin1 says...

-trigg- wrote:
They might just as well write to the letters page in Latin in that case. Actually, forget that. If they wrote in Latin more people would be able to understand them than if they wrote in Welsh.
There are 600,000 Latin speakers in Wales? An educated country then.

To answer the letter, it is because the paper wouldn't print it.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: They might just as well write to the letters page in Latin in that case. Actually, forget that. If they wrote in Latin more people would be able to understand them than if they wrote in Welsh.[/p][/quote]There are 600,000 Latin speakers in Wales? An educated country then. To answer the letter, it is because the paper wouldn't print it. hefin1
  • Score: -7

1:41pm Tue 20 May 14

hefin1 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Golwg360, is a welsh language news media :) Golwg means vision, sight, view, along those lines... Actually it covers world and British news as well as Welsh news, wales is a democracy don't you know :) It's a local media and if you cannot read welsh, free translation online will make it whatever you want Serbo-croat if you like. I always think those who refuse to look at things because they aren't in English lead a blinkered life mostly. Same people who see a subtiled film and groan, regardless if it is good or not, hey just won't watch.
Once again you miss the point. 3% of people in Wales read a tax subsidised magazine, 3% press the Welsh option on cash machines, S4C is now broadcasting most of its content to no-one and 0.07 of National Savings customers in Wales correspond in Welsh. Yet we are told that some 20% speak it. Utter tripe. And Carwyn thinks the compulsory education policy 'as is' isn't working? Duh!
Never been to Gwynedd I presume.

Also it might be of annoyance to your prejudice that more public money is spent on English language publications in Wales than Welsh language publications.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Golwg360, is a welsh language news media :) Golwg means vision, sight, view, along those lines... Actually it covers world and British news as well as Welsh news, wales is a democracy don't you know :) It's a local media and if you cannot read welsh, free translation online will make it whatever you want Serbo-croat if you like. I always think those who refuse to look at things because they aren't in English lead a blinkered life mostly. Same people who see a subtiled film and groan, regardless if it is good or not, hey just won't watch.[/p][/quote]Once again you miss the point. 3% of people in Wales read a tax subsidised magazine, 3% press the Welsh option on cash machines, S4C is now broadcasting most of its content to no-one and 0.07 of National Savings customers in Wales correspond in Welsh. Yet we are told that some 20% speak it. Utter tripe. And Carwyn thinks the compulsory education policy 'as is' isn't working? Duh![/p][/quote]Never been to Gwynedd I presume. Also it might be of annoyance to your prejudice that more public money is spent on English language publications in Wales than Welsh language publications. hefin1
  • Score: -7

1:57pm Tue 20 May 14

landyman3030 says...

hefin1 wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
They might just as well write to the letters page in Latin in that case. Actually, forget that. If they wrote in Latin more people would be able to understand them than if they wrote in Welsh.
There are 600,000 Latin speakers in Wales? An educated country then.

To answer the letter, it is because the paper wouldn't print it.
Are the 600,000 Latin speakers fluent or do they just have Latin skills?
Only curious because THAT is precisely the way that the pro Welsh Language Indoctrination Crowd massage their figures.
Also that is where the Census cannot agree. Just curious.
Interesting point about publication. Would the SWA print a letter written in Welsh? Would the SWA publish any letter in any other language?
I think not because it is an English medium publication in an area dominated by English speakers. Would a Cornish county local paper publish letters in Cornish i wonder?
[quote][p][bold]hefin1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: They might just as well write to the letters page in Latin in that case. Actually, forget that. If they wrote in Latin more people would be able to understand them than if they wrote in Welsh.[/p][/quote]There are 600,000 Latin speakers in Wales? An educated country then. To answer the letter, it is because the paper wouldn't print it.[/p][/quote]Are the 600,000 Latin speakers fluent or do they just have Latin skills? Only curious because THAT is precisely the way that the pro Welsh Language Indoctrination Crowd massage their figures. Also that is where the Census cannot agree. Just curious. Interesting point about publication. Would the SWA print a letter written in Welsh? Would the SWA publish any letter in any other language? I think not because it is an English medium publication in an area dominated by English speakers. Would a Cornish county local paper publish letters in Cornish i wonder? landyman3030
  • Score: 6

2:05pm Tue 20 May 14

hefin1 says...

landyman3030 wrote:
hefin1 wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
They might just as well write to the letters page in Latin in that case. Actually, forget that. If they wrote in Latin more people would be able to understand them than if they wrote in Welsh.
There are 600,000 Latin speakers in Wales? An educated country then.

To answer the letter, it is because the paper wouldn't print it.
Are the 600,000 Latin speakers fluent or do they just have Latin skills?
Only curious because THAT is precisely the way that the pro Welsh Language Indoctrination Crowd massage their figures.
Also that is where the Census cannot agree. Just curious.
Interesting point about publication. Would the SWA print a letter written in Welsh? Would the SWA publish any letter in any other language?
I think not because it is an English medium publication in an area dominated by English speakers. Would a Cornish county local paper publish letters in Cornish i wonder?
Go to Riverside market Cardiff on a sunday. Go to Gwynedd. You'll be disgusted at hearing the dead language all around. And to directly answer your skewed comparison - the skills would be enough to follow the letter, no? Bad logic both ways.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hefin1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: They might just as well write to the letters page in Latin in that case. Actually, forget that. If they wrote in Latin more people would be able to understand them than if they wrote in Welsh.[/p][/quote]There are 600,000 Latin speakers in Wales? An educated country then. To answer the letter, it is because the paper wouldn't print it.[/p][/quote]Are the 600,000 Latin speakers fluent or do they just have Latin skills? Only curious because THAT is precisely the way that the pro Welsh Language Indoctrination Crowd massage their figures. Also that is where the Census cannot agree. Just curious. Interesting point about publication. Would the SWA print a letter written in Welsh? Would the SWA publish any letter in any other language? I think not because it is an English medium publication in an area dominated by English speakers. Would a Cornish county local paper publish letters in Cornish i wonder?[/p][/quote]Go to Riverside market Cardiff on a sunday. Go to Gwynedd. You'll be disgusted at hearing the dead language all around. And to directly answer your skewed comparison - the skills would be enough to follow the letter, no? Bad logic both ways. hefin1
  • Score: -5

3:02pm Tue 20 May 14

landyman3030 says...

hefin1 wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
hefin1 wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
They might just as well write to the letters page in Latin in that case. Actually, forget that. If they wrote in Latin more people would be able to understand them than if they wrote in Welsh.
There are 600,000 Latin speakers in Wales? An educated country then.

To answer the letter, it is because the paper wouldn't print it.
Are the 600,000 Latin speakers fluent or do they just have Latin skills?
Only curious because THAT is precisely the way that the pro Welsh Language Indoctrination Crowd massage their figures.
Also that is where the Census cannot agree. Just curious.
Interesting point about publication. Would the SWA print a letter written in Welsh? Would the SWA publish any letter in any other language?
I think not because it is an English medium publication in an area dominated by English speakers. Would a Cornish county local paper publish letters in Cornish i wonder?
Go to Riverside market Cardiff on a sunday. Go to Gwynedd. You'll be disgusted at hearing the dead language all around. And to directly answer your skewed comparison - the skills would be enough to follow the letter, no? Bad logic both ways.
- the skills would be enough to follow the letter, no?
The answer is uh no!
I have Welsh skills because i can count to 3 and say hello. But i can't read a sentence let alone a letter. But the skewed comparison of fluency versus skills in Latin is the same. I can speak single words and phrases in Latin but i cannot read a sentence. I also do not wish to liase with my council in Latin just because i have Latin skills. And it would be wrong to force them to supply me with an interpreter at cost to do this when i can speak English as well.
Children are also not FORCED to learn Latin throughout their school life.
Gwynedd is a lovely place and the majority of people are bi lingual. Been there. Welsh all around? Yes. Loved it.
Riverside Market in Cardiff is located in a English speaking majority City. Been there. Welsh all around? No. Tosh and bunkum. Loved it.
Does the Echo publish Welsh letters? Can you do the crossword in Welsh?
I'll never be disgusted to hearing the Welsh language. That is your assumption that you can cast your own small mindedness onto others.
Lastly, since when was logic and Welsh language ever used in the same sentence without much laughter from the wings.
Come on hefin1, school report: MUST TRY HARDER!!!!
[quote][p][bold]hefin1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hefin1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: They might just as well write to the letters page in Latin in that case. Actually, forget that. If they wrote in Latin more people would be able to understand them than if they wrote in Welsh.[/p][/quote]There are 600,000 Latin speakers in Wales? An educated country then. To answer the letter, it is because the paper wouldn't print it.[/p][/quote]Are the 600,000 Latin speakers fluent or do they just have Latin skills? Only curious because THAT is precisely the way that the pro Welsh Language Indoctrination Crowd massage their figures. Also that is where the Census cannot agree. Just curious. Interesting point about publication. Would the SWA print a letter written in Welsh? Would the SWA publish any letter in any other language? I think not because it is an English medium publication in an area dominated by English speakers. Would a Cornish county local paper publish letters in Cornish i wonder?[/p][/quote]Go to Riverside market Cardiff on a sunday. Go to Gwynedd. You'll be disgusted at hearing the dead language all around. And to directly answer your skewed comparison - the skills would be enough to follow the letter, no? Bad logic both ways.[/p][/quote]- the skills would be enough to follow the letter, no? The answer is uh no! I have Welsh skills because i can count to 3 and say hello. But i can't read a sentence let alone a letter. But the skewed comparison of fluency versus skills in Latin is the same. I can speak single words and phrases in Latin but i cannot read a sentence. I also do not wish to liase with my council in Latin just because i have Latin skills. And it would be wrong to force them to supply me with an interpreter at cost to do this when i can speak English as well. Children are also not FORCED to learn Latin throughout their school life. Gwynedd is a lovely place and the majority of people are bi lingual. Been there. Welsh all around? Yes. Loved it. Riverside Market in Cardiff is located in a English speaking majority City. Been there. Welsh all around? No. Tosh and bunkum. Loved it. Does the Echo publish Welsh letters? Can you do the crossword in Welsh? I'll never be disgusted to hearing the Welsh language. That is your assumption that you can cast your own small mindedness onto others. Lastly, since when was logic and Welsh language ever used in the same sentence without much laughter from the wings. Come on hefin1, school report: MUST TRY HARDER!!!! landyman3030
  • Score: 8

3:06pm Tue 20 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Hi hefin1. Forgot to humbly request a list of the English language publications that cost more than the Welsh ones. You can't make a statement like that unfounded old son. Oh hang on. It's the welsh language you speak for. So you can. That's alright then. Cos everybody does it. It's allowed. Happens all the time. Doesn't it Merv and Robin!
Hi hefin1. Forgot to humbly request a list of the English language publications that cost more than the Welsh ones. You can't make a statement like that unfounded old son. Oh hang on. It's the welsh language you speak for. So you can. That's alright then. Cos everybody does it. It's allowed. Happens all the time. Doesn't it Merv and Robin! landyman3030
  • Score: 7

5:52pm Tue 20 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

hefin1 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Golwg360, is a welsh language news media :) Golwg means vision, sight, view, along those lines... Actually it covers world and British news as well as Welsh news, wales is a democracy don't you know :) It's a local media and if you cannot read welsh, free translation online will make it whatever you want Serbo-croat if you like. I always think those who refuse to look at things because they aren't in English lead a blinkered life mostly. Same people who see a subtiled film and groan, regardless if it is good or not, hey just won't watch.
Once again you miss the point. 3% of people in Wales read a tax subsidised magazine, 3% press the Welsh option on cash machines, S4C is now broadcasting most of its content to no-one and 0.07 of National Savings customers in Wales correspond in Welsh. Yet we are told that some 20% speak it. Utter tripe. And Carwyn thinks the compulsory education policy 'as is' isn't working? Duh!
Never been to Gwynedd I presume.

Also it might be of annoyance to your prejudice that more public money is spent on English language publications in Wales than Welsh language publications.
Errr you ignored the dichotomy between the claimed number of speakers and actual evidence of use.
[quote][p][bold]hefin1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Golwg360, is a welsh language news media :) Golwg means vision, sight, view, along those lines... Actually it covers world and British news as well as Welsh news, wales is a democracy don't you know :) It's a local media and if you cannot read welsh, free translation online will make it whatever you want Serbo-croat if you like. I always think those who refuse to look at things because they aren't in English lead a blinkered life mostly. Same people who see a subtiled film and groan, regardless if it is good or not, hey just won't watch.[/p][/quote]Once again you miss the point. 3% of people in Wales read a tax subsidised magazine, 3% press the Welsh option on cash machines, S4C is now broadcasting most of its content to no-one and 0.07 of National Savings customers in Wales correspond in Welsh. Yet we are told that some 20% speak it. Utter tripe. And Carwyn thinks the compulsory education policy 'as is' isn't working? Duh![/p][/quote]Never been to Gwynedd I presume. Also it might be of annoyance to your prejudice that more public money is spent on English language publications in Wales than Welsh language publications.[/p][/quote]Errr you ignored the dichotomy between the claimed number of speakers and actual evidence of use. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

7:08pm Tue 20 May 14

-trigg- says...

landyman3030 wrote:
hefin1 wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
They might just as well write to the letters page in Latin in that case. Actually, forget that. If they wrote in Latin more people would be able to understand them than if they wrote in Welsh.
There are 600,000 Latin speakers in Wales? An educated country then.

To answer the letter, it is because the paper wouldn't print it.
Are the 600,000 Latin speakers fluent or do they just have Latin skills?
Only curious because THAT is precisely the way that the pro Welsh Language Indoctrination Crowd massage their figures.
Also that is where the Census cannot agree. Just curious.
Interesting point about publication. Would the SWA print a letter written in Welsh? Would the SWA publish any letter in any other language?
I think not because it is an English medium publication in an area dominated by English speakers. Would a Cornish county local paper publish letters in Cornish i wonder?
For someone to be classed as a "Latin speaker" in the same way that people are classified as a "Welsh speaker", they would only need to be able to churn out a few rote phrases such as "nil desperandum" and "et cetera".

Incidentally, I have on a couple of occasions pressed the "welsh" option on cash machine. If I had known that it would be used as some bizarre justification for spending millions of pounds of taxpayer's money I would have been a little more careful.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hefin1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: They might just as well write to the letters page in Latin in that case. Actually, forget that. If they wrote in Latin more people would be able to understand them than if they wrote in Welsh.[/p][/quote]There are 600,000 Latin speakers in Wales? An educated country then. To answer the letter, it is because the paper wouldn't print it.[/p][/quote]Are the 600,000 Latin speakers fluent or do they just have Latin skills? Only curious because THAT is precisely the way that the pro Welsh Language Indoctrination Crowd massage their figures. Also that is where the Census cannot agree. Just curious. Interesting point about publication. Would the SWA print a letter written in Welsh? Would the SWA publish any letter in any other language? I think not because it is an English medium publication in an area dominated by English speakers. Would a Cornish county local paper publish letters in Cornish i wonder?[/p][/quote]For someone to be classed as a "Latin speaker" in the same way that people are classified as a "Welsh speaker", they would only need to be able to churn out a few rote phrases such as "nil desperandum" and "et cetera". Incidentally, I have on a couple of occasions pressed the "welsh" option on cash machine. If I had known that it would be used as some bizarre justification for spending millions of pounds of taxpayer's money I would have been a little more careful. -trigg-
  • Score: 8

7:56pm Tue 20 May 14

pwlldu says...

At least we got the Welsh national anthem in Welsh. With many an English speaking Welsh person singing proud and loud.
At least we got the Welsh national anthem in Welsh. With many an English speaking Welsh person singing proud and loud. pwlldu
  • Score: -8

9:24pm Tue 20 May 14

pbhj says...

pwlldu wrote:
At least we got the Welsh national anthem in Welsh. With many an English speaking Welsh person singing proud and loud.
In common with all other parts of the UK the national anthem is "God Save the Queen".

Would people in Wales sing Land of My Father's with less gusto if they sang the words in the common tongue that they - and those listening - could understand; I think not.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: At least we got the Welsh national anthem in Welsh. With many an English speaking Welsh person singing proud and loud.[/p][/quote]In common with all other parts of the UK the national anthem is "God Save the Queen". Would people in Wales sing Land of My Father's with less gusto if they sang the words in the common tongue that they - and those listening - could understand; I think not. pbhj
  • Score: 6

9:44pm Tue 20 May 14

landyman3030 says...

pwlldu wrote:
At least we got the Welsh national anthem in Welsh. With many an English speaking Welsh person singing proud and loud.
And why shouldn't us Wenglish sing OUR national anthem in Welsh? Just because we are not FLUENT does not mean we ignore our heritage or feel any less Welsh. The insistence by bilingual Welsh speakers to have the right of access to a Welsh speaker in every level of local government is not justifiable from a cost versus percentage of population. We are losing schools, play areas, parks and leisure facilities on a daily basis in Wales. Services provided by local government are being contracted out to trusts and private companies because there IS NO MONEY. Newport is looking to GIVE away all of their leisure facilities to a trust because they must SAVE £400,000 out of the leisure budget. Park play areas are not being repaired when swings or slides get worn out or vandalised. They are being removed or just cordoned off for safety. This is happening NOW. TODAY.
And all I hear from the barmy army in this occupied corner of Wales is " I insist that because I have Welsh language skills you must give me priority when I need to complain about my refuse collection or council tax".
I can see the banner over the Civic Centre now".............Bil
ingual and Bankrupt. Last one out turn the lights off please.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: At least we got the Welsh national anthem in Welsh. With many an English speaking Welsh person singing proud and loud.[/p][/quote]And why shouldn't us Wenglish sing OUR national anthem in Welsh? Just because we are not FLUENT does not mean we ignore our heritage or feel any less Welsh. The insistence by bilingual Welsh speakers to have the right of access to a Welsh speaker in every level of local government is not justifiable from a cost versus percentage of population. We are losing schools, play areas, parks and leisure facilities on a daily basis in Wales. Services provided by local government are being contracted out to trusts and private companies because there IS NO MONEY. Newport is looking to GIVE away all of their leisure facilities to a trust because they must SAVE £400,000 out of the leisure budget. Park play areas are not being repaired when swings or slides get worn out or vandalised. They are being removed or just cordoned off for safety. This is happening NOW. TODAY. And all I hear from the barmy army in this occupied corner of Wales is " I insist that because I have Welsh language skills you must give me priority when I need to complain about my refuse collection or council tax". I can see the banner over the Civic Centre now".............Bil ingual and Bankrupt. Last one out turn the lights off please. landyman3030
  • Score: 7

1:08pm Wed 21 May 14

mills191184 says...

I know a fluent welsh speaker who was interviewed on ITV and she was told to speak English. (In response to a comment above)

I think I won't be coming to this website again!

The whole point of a newspaper, digital or otherwise, is to provide a balanced argument, to show the advantage and disadvantage of both sides or the argument.

The South Wales Argus however only wants to show the negative, especially in regards to the Welsh language.

Hwyl fawr pawb. Fydda i ddim yn dod nol!
I know a fluent welsh speaker who was interviewed on ITV and she was told to speak English. (In response to a comment above) I think I won't be coming to this website again! The whole point of a newspaper, digital or otherwise, is to provide a balanced argument, to show the advantage and disadvantage of both sides or the argument. The South Wales Argus however only wants to show the negative, especially in regards to the Welsh language. Hwyl fawr pawb. Fydda i ddim yn dod nol! mills191184
  • Score: -1

1:29pm Wed 21 May 14

-trigg- says...

mills191184 wrote:
I know a fluent welsh speaker who was interviewed on ITV and she was told to speak English. (In response to a comment above) I think I won't be coming to this website again! The whole point of a newspaper, digital or otherwise, is to provide a balanced argument, to show the advantage and disadvantage of both sides or the argument. The South Wales Argus however only wants to show the negative, especially in regards to the Welsh language. Hwyl fawr pawb. Fydda i ddim yn dod nol!
And that last part for the Latin speakers (via Google translation):

Valete omnes. Et non revertitur:
[quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: I know a fluent welsh speaker who was interviewed on ITV and she was told to speak English. (In response to a comment above) I think I won't be coming to this website again! The whole point of a newspaper, digital or otherwise, is to provide a balanced argument, to show the advantage and disadvantage of both sides or the argument. The South Wales Argus however only wants to show the negative, especially in regards to the Welsh language. Hwyl fawr pawb. Fydda i ddim yn dod nol![/p][/quote]And that last part for the Latin speakers (via Google translation): Valete omnes. Et non revertitur: -trigg-
  • Score: 3

2:13pm Wed 21 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

mills191184 wrote:
I know a fluent welsh speaker who was interviewed on ITV and she was told to speak English. (In response to a comment above)

I think I won't be coming to this website again!

The whole point of a newspaper, digital or otherwise, is to provide a balanced argument, to show the advantage and disadvantage of both sides or the argument.

The South Wales Argus however only wants to show the negative, especially in regards to the Welsh language.

Hwyl fawr pawb. Fydda i ddim yn dod nol!
Of course she was told to speak English. That way the entire audience could understand. Not a lot of point to conducting an interview which would statistically speaking, be understood by a few dozen viewers.
[quote][p][bold]mills191184[/bold] wrote: I know a fluent welsh speaker who was interviewed on ITV and she was told to speak English. (In response to a comment above) I think I won't be coming to this website again! The whole point of a newspaper, digital or otherwise, is to provide a balanced argument, to show the advantage and disadvantage of both sides or the argument. The South Wales Argus however only wants to show the negative, especially in regards to the Welsh language. Hwyl fawr pawb. Fydda i ddim yn dod nol![/p][/quote]Of course she was told to speak English. That way the entire audience could understand. Not a lot of point to conducting an interview which would statistically speaking, be understood by a few dozen viewers. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

2:59pm Wed 21 May 14

landyman3030 says...

All SWA have done is provide the forum. Posts have been equally printed as far as i know. No sides taken during debates. So let me see, what could be happening...........
..oh i see. The pro arguement fails yet again with no statistics that aren't massaged and no justification for the financial black hole that is the Welsh Indoctrination Program. So you have fallen back on the old ploy of push the attention away from the post and lets blame the SWA for not standing up for us. And now your taking your ball home because the big boys don't play nice.
Either Merv ( Morning Merv, lovely morning ) has an alter ego on this site or you lot are more predictable than i thought. Do you go on weekend seminars to learn this stuff or are there guidelines for debate published in Golg360 that you can print off and paste on the headboard for something to do when your with the wife?
And i'll save you the trouble Merv.....yawn.....ya
wn....ere we go ere we go......yawn..... Did i miss anything?
All SWA have done is provide the forum. Posts have been equally printed as far as i know. No sides taken during debates. So let me see, what could be happening........... ..oh i see. The pro arguement fails yet again with no statistics that aren't massaged and no justification for the financial black hole that is the Welsh Indoctrination Program. So you have fallen back on the old ploy of push the attention away from the post and lets blame the SWA for not standing up for us. And now your taking your ball home because the big boys don't play nice. Either Merv ( Morning Merv, lovely morning ) has an alter ego on this site or you lot are more predictable than i thought. Do you go on weekend seminars to learn this stuff or are there guidelines for debate published in Golg360 that you can print off and paste on the headboard for something to do when your with the wife? And i'll save you the trouble Merv.....yawn.....ya wn....ere we go ere we go......yawn..... Did i miss anything? landyman3030
  • Score: 1

6:41pm Wed 21 May 14

Independentvoter says...

-trigg- wrote:
They might just as well write to the letters page in Latin in that case. Actually, forget that. If they wrote in Latin more people would be able to understand them than if they wrote in Welsh.
That's right ! Latin originated from a small region on the coast of west central Italy. It was only in the 1960's that Catholic churches stopped using and saying masses in Latin.

The Romans introduced the language here in Wales 2,500 years ago.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: They might just as well write to the letters page in Latin in that case. Actually, forget that. If they wrote in Latin more people would be able to understand them than if they wrote in Welsh.[/p][/quote]That's right ! Latin originated from a small region on the coast of west central Italy. It was only in the 1960's that Catholic churches stopped using and saying masses in Latin. The Romans introduced the language here in Wales 2,500 years ago. Independentvoter
  • Score: 5

7:26pm Wed 21 May 14

L Jackson says...

Right then, I'm not on here for a discussion and I'm only going to post once, as I have better things to do with my time.
As a Welsh speaker, I too pay my tax to the UK Exchequer, or wherever else it goes these days and have done ever since my first job. In fact I pay a great deal of tax, on the higher tax band, as I have to and don't begrudge this.
Actually, judging from the posting time of many of the above comments, my tax pays for many of you to be on your rear ends at 11am, watching daytime tv, when you ought to be out looking for a job. As a result, I WANT my public services delivered to me in my first language (I am from Gwent by the way) because I pay for the privilege. Just as I pay through my taxes for many of you to rant and rave, in a prejudiced and frankly ignorant way, bordering on xenophobic, when you should be out paying your way. I know not whether this stems from deep rooted insecurity, inadequacy or what, nor do I care. So, in conclusion, I WILL have public services delivered to me in Welsh and if you don't like it, well frankly you know what you can do...
Right then, I'm not on here for a discussion and I'm only going to post once, as I have better things to do with my time. As a Welsh speaker, I too pay my tax to the UK Exchequer, or wherever else it goes these days and have done ever since my first job. In fact I pay a great deal of tax, on the higher tax band, as I have to and don't begrudge this. Actually, judging from the posting time of many of the above comments, my tax pays for many of you to be on your rear ends at 11am, watching daytime tv, when you ought to be out looking for a job. As a result, I WANT my public services delivered to me in my first language (I am from Gwent by the way) because I pay for the privilege. Just as I pay through my taxes for many of you to rant and rave, in a prejudiced and frankly ignorant way, bordering on xenophobic, when you should be out paying your way. I know not whether this stems from deep rooted insecurity, inadequacy or what, nor do I care. So, in conclusion, I WILL have public services delivered to me in Welsh and if you don't like it, well frankly you know what you can do... L Jackson
  • Score: -4

7:55pm Wed 21 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

L Jackson wrote:
Right then, I'm not on here for a discussion and I'm only going to post once, as I have better things to do with my time.
As a Welsh speaker, I too pay my tax to the UK Exchequer, or wherever else it goes these days and have done ever since my first job. In fact I pay a great deal of tax, on the higher tax band, as I have to and don't begrudge this.
Actually, judging from the posting time of many of the above comments, my tax pays for many of you to be on your rear ends at 11am, watching daytime tv, when you ought to be out looking for a job. As a result, I WANT my public services delivered to me in my first language (I am from Gwent by the way) because I pay for the privilege. Just as I pay through my taxes for many of you to rant and rave, in a prejudiced and frankly ignorant way, bordering on xenophobic, when you should be out paying your way. I know not whether this stems from deep rooted insecurity, inadequacy or what, nor do I care. So, in conclusion, I WILL have public services delivered to me in Welsh and if you don't like it, well frankly you know what you can do...
If Welsh is your first language why did you write in English? Didn't read the thread?
[quote][p][bold]L Jackson[/bold] wrote: Right then, I'm not on here for a discussion and I'm only going to post once, as I have better things to do with my time. As a Welsh speaker, I too pay my tax to the UK Exchequer, or wherever else it goes these days and have done ever since my first job. In fact I pay a great deal of tax, on the higher tax band, as I have to and don't begrudge this. Actually, judging from the posting time of many of the above comments, my tax pays for many of you to be on your rear ends at 11am, watching daytime tv, when you ought to be out looking for a job. As a result, I WANT my public services delivered to me in my first language (I am from Gwent by the way) because I pay for the privilege. Just as I pay through my taxes for many of you to rant and rave, in a prejudiced and frankly ignorant way, bordering on xenophobic, when you should be out paying your way. I know not whether this stems from deep rooted insecurity, inadequacy or what, nor do I care. So, in conclusion, I WILL have public services delivered to me in Welsh and if you don't like it, well frankly you know what you can do...[/p][/quote]If Welsh is your first language why did you write in English? Didn't read the thread? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

9:38pm Wed 21 May 14

landyman3030 says...

L Jackson wrote:
Right then, I'm not on here for a discussion and I'm only going to post once, as I have better things to do with my time.
As a Welsh speaker, I too pay my tax to the UK Exchequer, or wherever else it goes these days and have done ever since my first job. In fact I pay a great deal of tax, on the higher tax band, as I have to and don't begrudge this.
Actually, judging from the posting time of many of the above comments, my tax pays for many of you to be on your rear ends at 11am, watching daytime tv, when you ought to be out looking for a job. As a result, I WANT my public services delivered to me in my first language (I am from Gwent by the way) because I pay for the privilege. Just as I pay through my taxes for many of you to rant and rave, in a prejudiced and frankly ignorant way, bordering on xenophobic, when you should be out paying your way. I know not whether this stems from deep rooted insecurity, inadequacy or what, nor do I care. So, in conclusion, I WILL have public services delivered to me in Welsh and if you don't like it, well frankly you know what you can do...
I wish you could see me laughing my head off right now. Of all the absurd assumptions that have been made on here, I think you've just won a prize. Regardless of my 50 hour basic working week where I am fortunate enough to have an employer who grants me a break every now and again, you obviously have your head so far up your tushey that you regard all shift workers, zero hours workers who are waiting to see if they are going to work today and the retired population unable to join the debate or have a viewpoint.
Do you INSIST on using Welsh medium when you attend your BUPA hospital appointment or pop to Waitrose for your Pimms. ( I can make stupid assumptions to ). You WILL have your public services in your first language will you? What are you going to do? Stand there and hold your breath untill your sick, sick, sick? Stamp your Jimmy Choo ( because you may be a posh bird ( another stupid assumption ) repeatedly?
Your asinine post just confirms to me what has been proven through 3 letters and about 130 posts.....Your lot ( another assumption ) have no justifiable way of proving that you have ANY right to force children to learn the language unless they choose to. You think you can pout and puff and bluster all you want. Guess what? You can and have. Because you can't justify any reasoning to debate properly. So you TELL us what you think and then run away. Theres definitely a thread here folks........
[quote][p][bold]L Jackson[/bold] wrote: Right then, I'm not on here for a discussion and I'm only going to post once, as I have better things to do with my time. As a Welsh speaker, I too pay my tax to the UK Exchequer, or wherever else it goes these days and have done ever since my first job. In fact I pay a great deal of tax, on the higher tax band, as I have to and don't begrudge this. Actually, judging from the posting time of many of the above comments, my tax pays for many of you to be on your rear ends at 11am, watching daytime tv, when you ought to be out looking for a job. As a result, I WANT my public services delivered to me in my first language (I am from Gwent by the way) because I pay for the privilege. Just as I pay through my taxes for many of you to rant and rave, in a prejudiced and frankly ignorant way, bordering on xenophobic, when you should be out paying your way. I know not whether this stems from deep rooted insecurity, inadequacy or what, nor do I care. So, in conclusion, I WILL have public services delivered to me in Welsh and if you don't like it, well frankly you know what you can do...[/p][/quote]I wish you could see me laughing my head off right now. Of all the absurd assumptions that have been made on here, I think you've just won a prize. Regardless of my 50 hour basic working week where I am fortunate enough to have an employer who grants me a break every now and again, you obviously have your head so far up your tushey that you regard all shift workers, zero hours workers who are waiting to see if they are going to work today and the retired population unable to join the debate or have a viewpoint. Do you INSIST on using Welsh medium when you attend your BUPA hospital appointment or pop to Waitrose for your Pimms. ( I can make stupid assumptions to ). You WILL have your public services in your first language will you? What are you going to do? Stand there and hold your breath untill your sick, sick, sick? Stamp your Jimmy Choo ( because you may be a posh bird ( another stupid assumption ) repeatedly? Your asinine post just confirms to me what has been proven through 3 letters and about 130 posts.....Your lot ( another assumption ) have no justifiable way of proving that you have ANY right to force children to learn the language unless they choose to. You think you can pout and puff and bluster all you want. Guess what? You can and have. Because you can't justify any reasoning to debate properly. So you TELL us what you think and then run away. Theres definitely a thread here folks........ landyman3030
  • Score: 5

9:57am Fri 23 May 14

pwlldu says...

Llanmartinangel says... I though you were an educated person. L Jackson wrote: can read and write in both English and Welsh. But for people like you who can't speak Welsh, all though can sing a few bars of the Welsh national anthem in Welsh, to try and understand. Take away a countries language and you take its soul. If the Nazi had invaded we would be speaking German, then you would complain about the English language under threat. In some parts of the UK English is the second language and christianity is the second religion. A lot of English is made from other Languages like French, Saxon, Norse and Welsh.
Llanmartinangel says... I though you were an educated person. L Jackson wrote: can read and write in both English and Welsh. But for people like you who can't speak Welsh, all though can sing a few bars of the Welsh national anthem in Welsh, to try and understand. Take away a countries language and you take its soul. If the Nazi had invaded we would be speaking German, then you would complain about the English language under threat. In some parts of the UK English is the second language and christianity is the second religion. A lot of English is made from other Languages like French, Saxon, Norse and Welsh. pwlldu
  • Score: -7

10:54am Fri 23 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Llanmartinangel says... I though you were an educated person. L Jackson wrote: can read and write in both English and Welsh. But for people like you who can't speak Welsh, all though can sing a few bars of the Welsh national anthem in Welsh, to try and understand. Take away a countries language and you take its soul. If the Nazi had invaded we would be speaking German, then you would complain about the English language under threat. In some parts of the UK English is the second language and christianity is the second religion. A lot of English is made from other Languages like French, Saxon, Norse and Welsh.
If L Jackson had read the thread he'd have noticed what the point of the thread was. One thing that singles the pro-lobby out is that they all deliberately miss the point that doesn't suit them. The use of Welsh is massively exaggerated and all the evidence, posted here demonstrating that fact are being studiously ignored. Now why do you imagine that is? I'm not talking about singing a song (it isn't a national anything), lots of kids learned French ditties growing up but couldn't buy a train ticket in Paris. It's when people singing that song are ticked off as 'speakers' when they clearly are not that the facts become distorted. So if the vast sums being spent on it are failing to increase Welsh use in something as simple as a bank cash machine above 3%, why keep spending it? No-one is denying anyone's right to speak Welsh, just to stop lying about how widespread the use actually is.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel says... I though you were an educated person. L Jackson wrote: can read and write in both English and Welsh. But for people like you who can't speak Welsh, all though can sing a few bars of the Welsh national anthem in Welsh, to try and understand. Take away a countries language and you take its soul. If the Nazi had invaded we would be speaking German, then you would complain about the English language under threat. In some parts of the UK English is the second language and christianity is the second religion. A lot of English is made from other Languages like French, Saxon, Norse and Welsh.[/p][/quote]If L Jackson had read the thread he'd have noticed what the point of the thread was. One thing that singles the pro-lobby out is that they all deliberately miss the point that doesn't suit them. The use of Welsh is massively exaggerated and all the evidence, posted here demonstrating that fact are being studiously ignored. Now why do you imagine that is? I'm not talking about singing a song (it isn't a national anything), lots of kids learned French ditties growing up but couldn't buy a train ticket in Paris. It's when people singing that song are ticked off as 'speakers' when they clearly are not that the facts become distorted. So if the vast sums being spent on it are failing to increase Welsh use in something as simple as a bank cash machine above 3%, why keep spending it? No-one is denying anyone's right to speak Welsh, just to stop lying about how widespread the use actually is. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 7

11:16am Fri 23 May 14

-trigg- says...

The pro-Welsh language lobby really need to be persuaded to stop using the 3% cash machine figure as evidence.

I took a quick straw poll of my English friends who have visited Wales and it turns out most of them had chosen the Welsh language option at least once whilst visiting for the sheer novelty value of doing so, despite not knowing a single word of the language.
The pro-Welsh language lobby really need to be persuaded to stop using the 3% cash machine figure as evidence. I took a quick straw poll of my English friends who have visited Wales and it turns out most of them had chosen the Welsh language option at least once whilst visiting for the sheer novelty value of doing so, despite not knowing a single word of the language. -trigg-
  • Score: 8

12:27pm Fri 23 May 14

landyman3030 says...

-trigg- wrote:
The pro-Welsh language lobby really need to be persuaded to stop using the 3% cash machine figure as evidence.

I took a quick straw poll of my English friends who have visited Wales and it turns out most of them had chosen the Welsh language option at least once whilst visiting for the sheer novelty value of doing so, despite not knowing a single word of the language.
Look flat cap brigade.......finall
y factual proof that the Welsh language is good for tourism. Foreign tourists from the dark lands over the border where there be wolves do like to use the lingo...for novelty value.
Now does that give them Welsh skills because they can push the button for Welsh? That means your figures for useage have just increased for Gwent.
Yippee. Oh happy day.
Oh hang on. That means the foreigners had the CHOICE to go for Welsh or English. Call the WAG. Somebody being given a choice over Welsh. Close the gates. Pull up your borders. Pull down your flat cap. If we can't see them maybe they'll think we're not hear. SHHHHH
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: The pro-Welsh language lobby really need to be persuaded to stop using the 3% cash machine figure as evidence. I took a quick straw poll of my English friends who have visited Wales and it turns out most of them had chosen the Welsh language option at least once whilst visiting for the sheer novelty value of doing so, despite not knowing a single word of the language.[/p][/quote]Look flat cap brigade.......finall y factual proof that the Welsh language is good for tourism. Foreign tourists from the dark lands over the border where there be wolves do like to use the lingo...for novelty value. Now does that give them Welsh skills because they can push the button for Welsh? That means your figures for useage have just increased for Gwent. Yippee. Oh happy day. Oh hang on. That means the foreigners had the CHOICE to go for Welsh or English. Call the WAG. Somebody being given a choice over Welsh. Close the gates. Pull up your borders. Pull down your flat cap. If we can't see them maybe they'll think we're not hear. SHHHHH landyman3030
  • Score: 6

3:37pm Fri 23 May 14

Bobbey says...

Let`s print the words "Welsh Language"; guaranteed to get the trolls away from their daily dose of Jeremy Kyle and it might even make the most commented box. Ooh.

I think all you numpties have been had. Read the letter again. Why the hell would anyone write in Welsh to an English language newspaper? Ha ha.
Let`s print the words "Welsh Language"; guaranteed to get the trolls away from their daily dose of Jeremy Kyle and it might even make the most commented box. Ooh. I think all you numpties have been had. Read the letter again. Why the hell would anyone write in Welsh to an English language newspaper? Ha ha. Bobbey
  • Score: -7

4:52pm Fri 23 May 14

Stevenboy says...

Bobbey wrote:
Let`s print the words "Welsh Language"; guaranteed to get the trolls away from their daily dose of Jeremy Kyle and it might even make the most commented box. Ooh.

I think all you numpties have been had. Read the letter again. Why the hell would anyone write in Welsh to an English language newspaper? Ha ha.
Or why would anyone write a letter in Welsh at all knowing virtually no-one would understand it wherever it was published? Incidentally, hilarious that you refer to people as 'trolls' when you are one of the few on here who hasn't supported an argument with any facts and yet managed to throw in some insults. That makes you the troll methinks. But then you knew that already.
[quote][p][bold]Bobbey[/bold] wrote: Let`s print the words "Welsh Language"; guaranteed to get the trolls away from their daily dose of Jeremy Kyle and it might even make the most commented box. Ooh. I think all you numpties have been had. Read the letter again. Why the hell would anyone write in Welsh to an English language newspaper? Ha ha.[/p][/quote]Or why would anyone write a letter in Welsh at all knowing virtually no-one would understand it wherever it was published? Incidentally, hilarious that you refer to people as 'trolls' when you are one of the few on here who hasn't supported an argument with any facts and yet managed to throw in some insults. That makes you the troll methinks. But then you knew that already. Stevenboy
  • Score: 8

5:27pm Fri 23 May 14

pwlldu says...

Por qué no puede usted habla mi idioma.
De ce cant vorbești limba mea.
Pam ydych cant yn siarad fy iaith.
Warum kann man meine Sprache sprechen
Por qué no puede usted habla mi idioma. De ce cant vorbești limba mea. Pam ydych cant yn siarad fy iaith. Warum kann man meine Sprache sprechen pwlldu
  • Score: -8

7:44pm Fri 23 May 14

landyman3030 says...

pwlldu wrote:
Por qué no puede usted habla mi idioma.
De ce cant vorbești limba mea.
Pam ydych cant yn siarad fy iaith.
Warum kann man meine Sprache sprechen
Somebody has been busy with Google Translate. Good boy. Now if you can just show how the rest of us how to use it we will be able to translate anything Welsh if we need to. So that means we can remove Welsh from the mandatory curriculum and let our children choose if they want to pursue it as a subject.
Wait. If you can show the Fluent Welsh speakers how to use it they won't need to spend more needless taxpayers money on Bilingual council workers.
What a star you are to enlighten and solve the problem completely. Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Por qué no puede usted habla mi idioma. De ce cant vorbești limba mea. Pam ydych cant yn siarad fy iaith. Warum kann man meine Sprache sprechen[/p][/quote]Somebody has been busy with Google Translate. Good boy. Now if you can just show how the rest of us how to use it we will be able to translate anything Welsh if we need to. So that means we can remove Welsh from the mandatory curriculum and let our children choose if they want to pursue it as a subject. Wait. If you can show the Fluent Welsh speakers how to use it they won't need to spend more needless taxpayers money on Bilingual council workers. What a star you are to enlighten and solve the problem completely. Thank you. landyman3030
  • Score: 8

10:54am Sat 24 May 14

varteg1 says...

pwlldu wrote:
People do complain in Welsh but only Welsh speakers can read it. The English only brigade can only read English.
Funny that.... as ALL in Wales can read English.

(ignoring those that cannot, immigrants,or will not.. Cymro with a bone up their jacksies)
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: People do complain in Welsh but only Welsh speakers can read it. The English only brigade can only read English.[/p][/quote]Funny that.... as ALL in Wales can read English. (ignoring those that cannot, immigrants,or will not.. Cymro with a bone up their jacksies) varteg1
  • Score: 3

10:44am Sun 25 May 14

pwlldu says...

An english person said to me the Welsh language was invented to confuse the English.
An english person said to me the Welsh language was invented to confuse the English. pwlldu
  • Score: -6

10:47am Sun 25 May 14

pwlldu says...

thimk of the millions of pounds spent turning Welsh speakers into english speakers and trying to eradicate the Welsh language from Wales. No wait not money but blood.
thimk of the millions of pounds spent turning Welsh speakers into english speakers and trying to eradicate the Welsh language from Wales. No wait not money but blood. pwlldu
  • Score: -6

10:09am Mon 26 May 14

varteg1 says...

pwlldu wrote:
An english person said to me the Welsh language was invented to confuse the English.
True or not, it certainly fulfils that purpose.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: An english person said to me the Welsh language was invented to confuse the English.[/p][/quote]True or not, it certainly fulfils that purpose. varteg1
  • Score: 2

10:50am Mon 26 May 14

landyman3030 says...

pwlldu wrote:
An english person said to me the Welsh language was invented to confuse the English.
My Aunt offered to give free lodging to a Mum and her mid twenties daughter from North Wales for the last Eisteddfod a while back through an association she is involved with. After a few days the daughter had not said a word and the Mum would answer when a question was asked to the daughter. Turns out she had taken a vow not to speak to anyone who did not speak to her in Welsh. Happy for the free accommodation though in a English speaking house. If it had been mine she wouldn't have touched the floor on the way out.
So we both know of negative stories by idiots from both sides of the Language. BIG DEAL!!!!!
The FACT remains that the Welsh language is still in decline AFTER the millions of pounds of investment by Carwyn and the WAG after over a decade of mandatory indoctrination of all children in Wales.
If it was working and Welsh was all around us in day to day life regarding business and socially then maybe it might be justified.
So why aren't everybody under 15 constantly conversing in Welsh outside of school? They are the ones who have been targeted for so long.
How much longer can this drain of resources continue unabated when The WAG is failing in so many aspects of healthcare and education and local government virtual bankruptcy.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: An english person said to me the Welsh language was invented to confuse the English.[/p][/quote]My Aunt offered to give free lodging to a Mum and her mid twenties daughter from North Wales for the last Eisteddfod a while back through an association she is involved with. After a few days the daughter had not said a word and the Mum would answer when a question was asked to the daughter. Turns out she had taken a vow not to speak to anyone who did not speak to her in Welsh. Happy for the free accommodation though in a English speaking house. If it had been mine she wouldn't have touched the floor on the way out. So we both know of negative stories by idiots from both sides of the Language. BIG DEAL!!!!! The FACT remains that the Welsh language is still in decline AFTER the millions of pounds of investment by Carwyn and the WAG after over a decade of mandatory indoctrination of all children in Wales. If it was working and Welsh was all around us in day to day life regarding business and socially then maybe it might be justified. So why aren't everybody under 15 constantly conversing in Welsh outside of school? They are the ones who have been targeted for so long. How much longer can this drain of resources continue unabated when The WAG is failing in so many aspects of healthcare and education and local government virtual bankruptcy. landyman3030
  • Score: 4

10:13pm Mon 26 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
thimk of the millions of pounds spent turning Welsh speakers into english speakers and trying to eradicate the Welsh language from Wales. No wait not money but blood.
Oh dear lord. Matron, MATRON!!!
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: thimk of the millions of pounds spent turning Welsh speakers into english speakers and trying to eradicate the Welsh language from Wales. No wait not money but blood.[/p][/quote]Oh dear lord. Matron, MATRON!!! Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 2

5:33pm Fri 30 May 14

varteg1 says...

pwlldu wrote:
thimk of the millions of pounds spent turning Welsh speakers into english speakers and trying to eradicate the Welsh language from Wales. No wait not money but blood.
When was millions spent turning Cymraeg speakers into Saes speakers?

When much of the pressurising was done, centuries ago, the population of the whole of Wales was hardly large enough to meet the criteria necessary to assess it as little more than a series of sporadically sited villages and hamlets.

Once the region had been taken in to the general community of Britain, UK, call it what you will, it was the Welsh/Cymro themselves that opted for Saes, I doubt few pennies were actually and deliberately spent on converting the population to a 'new' language.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: thimk of the millions of pounds spent turning Welsh speakers into english speakers and trying to eradicate the Welsh language from Wales. No wait not money but blood.[/p][/quote]When was millions spent turning Cymraeg speakers into Saes speakers? When much of the pressurising was done, centuries ago, the population of the whole of Wales was hardly large enough to meet the criteria necessary to assess it as little more than a series of sporadically sited villages and hamlets. Once the region had been taken in to the general community of Britain, UK, call it what you will, it was the Welsh/Cymro themselves that opted for Saes, I doubt few pennies were actually and deliberately spent on converting the population to a 'new' language. varteg1
  • Score: 0

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