Seeing the light

First published in Letters

SO Mr Davies, all the countries on main land Europe are wrong using their lights in bad weather, it is law over there by the way.

I don’t think so; it is very difficult to see dark coloured cars without lights on in bad weather.

As regard to wasting energy, are lights on cars connected to the national grid? I hope you’re not one of the macho types who do not put their lights on, (if you can’t see me tough) type.

H. Morgan Hafod y Bryn Risca

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11:56am Tue 27 May 14

-trigg- says...

Driving with headlights on will lead to slightly higher fuel consumption, as with using any in-car electrics but not noticably so.

In poor weather conditions it is absolutely appropriate to drive with your headlights or at least side lights on, to improve your visibility to other road users. I am irked by drivers who insist on having their headlights andfront fog lights active while driving in bright daylight however
Driving with headlights on will lead to slightly higher fuel consumption, as with using any in-car electrics but not noticably so. In poor weather conditions it is absolutely appropriate to drive with your headlights or at least side lights on, to improve your visibility to other road users. I am irked by drivers who insist on having their headlights andfront fog lights active while driving in bright daylight however -trigg-
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3:03pm Tue 27 May 14

varteg1 says...

I have an answer to that Mr H Morgan.... even in relatively poor light conditions, grey weather and early evening, if you cannot see a car with no lights on, whilst driving appropriately according to general road conditions, then you have no right to be driving.
They drive other other side of the road over the Channel, so must we do the same? So why raise the point about Continental lighting matters?

-trigg-

Your final remark I uphold 100%, it irks me also, especially when they are moving ahead with rear high vis fog lights on.
I have an answer to that Mr H Morgan.... even in relatively poor light conditions, grey weather and early evening, if you cannot see a car with no lights on, whilst driving appropriately according to general road conditions, then you have no right to be driving. They drive other other side of the road over the Channel, so must we do the same? So why raise the point about Continental lighting matters? -trigg- Your final remark I uphold 100%, it irks me also, especially when they are moving ahead with rear high vis fog lights on. varteg1
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1:02am Wed 28 May 14

Howie' says...

varteg1 wrote:
I have an answer to that Mr H Morgan.... even in relatively poor light conditions, grey weather and early evening, if you cannot see a car with no lights on, whilst driving appropriately according to general road conditions, then you have no right to be driving.
They drive other other side of the road over the Channel, so must we do the same? So why raise the point about Continental lighting matters?

-trigg-

Your final remark I uphold 100%, it irks me also, especially when they are moving ahead with rear high vis fog lights on.
See and be seen, Varteg. simples, guess you have never been a biker.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I have an answer to that Mr H Morgan.... even in relatively poor light conditions, grey weather and early evening, if you cannot see a car with no lights on, whilst driving appropriately according to general road conditions, then you have no right to be driving. They drive other other side of the road over the Channel, so must we do the same? So why raise the point about Continental lighting matters? -trigg- Your final remark I uphold 100%, it irks me also, especially when they are moving ahead with rear high vis fog lights on.[/p][/quote]See and be seen, Varteg. simples, guess you have never been a biker. Howie'
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1:05pm Wed 28 May 14

varteg1 says...

Howie' wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I have an answer to that Mr H Morgan.... even in relatively poor light conditions, grey weather and early evening, if you cannot see a car with no lights on, whilst driving appropriately according to general road conditions, then you have no right to be driving.
They drive other other side of the road over the Channel, so must we do the same? So why raise the point about Continental lighting matters?

-trigg-

Your final remark I uphold 100%, it irks me also, especially when they are moving ahead with rear high vis fog lights on.
See and be seen, Varteg. simples, guess you have never been a biker.
Not only a biker here in the UK , but a regular biker on the Continent.

My usual mileage in the UK was in excess of ten thou a year, with as much as three or four on average in France, Italy, Belgium and Germany.

Any other crass questions?
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I have an answer to that Mr H Morgan.... even in relatively poor light conditions, grey weather and early evening, if you cannot see a car with no lights on, whilst driving appropriately according to general road conditions, then you have no right to be driving. They drive other other side of the road over the Channel, so must we do the same? So why raise the point about Continental lighting matters? -trigg- Your final remark I uphold 100%, it irks me also, especially when they are moving ahead with rear high vis fog lights on.[/p][/quote]See and be seen, Varteg. simples, guess you have never been a biker.[/p][/quote]Not only a biker here in the UK , but a regular biker on the Continent. My usual mileage in the UK was in excess of ten thou a year, with as much as three or four on average in France, Italy, Belgium and Germany. Any other crass questions? varteg1
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1:36pm Wed 28 May 14

Howie' says...

varteg1 wrote:
Howie' wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I have an answer to that Mr H Morgan.... even in relatively poor light conditions, grey weather and early evening, if you cannot see a car with no lights on, whilst driving appropriately according to general road conditions, then you have no right to be driving.
They drive other other side of the road over the Channel, so must we do the same? So why raise the point about Continental lighting matters?

-trigg-

Your final remark I uphold 100%, it irks me also, especially when they are moving ahead with rear high vis fog lights on.
See and be seen, Varteg. simples, guess you have never been a biker.
Not only a biker here in the UK , but a regular biker on the Continent.

My usual mileage in the UK was in excess of ten thou a year, with as much as three or four on average in France, Italy, Belgium and Germany.

Any other crass questions?
Well your the only biker that doesn't see the obvious benefit of driving with lights on. Anything that makes you more visible has got to be of benefit.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I have an answer to that Mr H Morgan.... even in relatively poor light conditions, grey weather and early evening, if you cannot see a car with no lights on, whilst driving appropriately according to general road conditions, then you have no right to be driving. They drive other other side of the road over the Channel, so must we do the same? So why raise the point about Continental lighting matters? -trigg- Your final remark I uphold 100%, it irks me also, especially when they are moving ahead with rear high vis fog lights on.[/p][/quote]See and be seen, Varteg. simples, guess you have never been a biker.[/p][/quote]Not only a biker here in the UK , but a regular biker on the Continent. My usual mileage in the UK was in excess of ten thou a year, with as much as three or four on average in France, Italy, Belgium and Germany. Any other crass questions?[/p][/quote]Well your the only biker that doesn't see the obvious benefit of driving with lights on. Anything that makes you more visible has got to be of benefit. Howie'
  • Score: 1

8:54am Mon 2 Jun 14

varteg1 says...

Howie' wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
Howie' wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I have an answer to that Mr H Morgan.... even in relatively poor light conditions, grey weather and early evening, if you cannot see a car with no lights on, whilst driving appropriately according to general road conditions, then you have no right to be driving.
They drive other other side of the road over the Channel, so must we do the same? So why raise the point about Continental lighting matters?

-trigg-

Your final remark I uphold 100%, it irks me also, especially when they are moving ahead with rear high vis fog lights on.
See and be seen, Varteg. simples, guess you have never been a biker.
Not only a biker here in the UK , but a regular biker on the Continent.

My usual mileage in the UK was in excess of ten thou a year, with as much as three or four on average in France, Italy, Belgium and Germany.

Any other crass questions?
Well your the only biker that doesn't see the obvious benefit of driving with lights on. Anything that makes you more visible has got to be of benefit.
Do try reading and make some, if only feeble, attempt at comprehending

I am no longer a biker, just an ordinary driver. I am appalled by the total misuse and or inappropriate use of a vehicles lights.

Driving with headlights on in broad daylight, driving with rear fog lights on, driving with indicators still flashing long after passing or turning parking on the wrong side of the road with headlights on, thereby blinding oncomers,
Indicating when pulling into a space ahead after overtaking, driving with full beams on, an annoyance to oncoming vehicles as ell as annoying a driver by distracting him via his rear view and side mirrors.
That is why I and I don't doubt many others who use lights correctly see the overuse of lights as inappropriate.
It was bad enough when Volvos were always illuminated, but for every other vehicle to follow suit is just affectation in the majority of cases, I repeat, the use of lights are more often than not, during pre lighting up times, totally unnecessary, and if you cannot see a car in average condition, unless it has it's lights on, then you have no right being on the road.
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I have an answer to that Mr H Morgan.... even in relatively poor light conditions, grey weather and early evening, if you cannot see a car with no lights on, whilst driving appropriately according to general road conditions, then you have no right to be driving. They drive other other side of the road over the Channel, so must we do the same? So why raise the point about Continental lighting matters? -trigg- Your final remark I uphold 100%, it irks me also, especially when they are moving ahead with rear high vis fog lights on.[/p][/quote]See and be seen, Varteg. simples, guess you have never been a biker.[/p][/quote]Not only a biker here in the UK , but a regular biker on the Continent. My usual mileage in the UK was in excess of ten thou a year, with as much as three or four on average in France, Italy, Belgium and Germany. Any other crass questions?[/p][/quote]Well your the only biker that doesn't see the obvious benefit of driving with lights on. Anything that makes you more visible has got to be of benefit.[/p][/quote]Do try reading and make some, if only feeble, attempt at comprehending I am no longer a biker, just an ordinary driver. I am appalled by the total misuse and or inappropriate use of a vehicles lights. Driving with headlights on in broad daylight, driving with rear fog lights on, driving with indicators still flashing long after passing or turning parking on the wrong side of the road with headlights on, thereby blinding oncomers, Indicating when pulling into a space ahead after overtaking, driving with full beams on, an annoyance to oncoming vehicles as ell as annoying a driver by distracting him via his rear view and side mirrors. That is why I and I don't doubt many others who use lights correctly see the overuse of lights as inappropriate. It was bad enough when Volvos were always illuminated, but for every other vehicle to follow suit is just affectation in the majority of cases, I repeat, the use of lights are more often than not, during pre lighting up times, totally unnecessary, and if you cannot see a car in average condition, unless it has it's lights on, then you have no right being on the road. varteg1
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