The rise of UKIP

First published in Letters

WATCHING the Wales results coming in should give the present parties great concern at the rise of UKIP. Not a bad thing for the electorate as at last they will have more voting choices.

In Newport UKIP were so close to winning, very close behind Labour with 10,000-plus votes. No sign of the Lib/Dems or others. These are amazing results. Like them or not, UKIP not only have become a political force, but also a lot of public backing for their approach on some of the major issues, including European membership and immigration.

These are touchy issues which all parties keep telling us there are no problems. This voting suggests that this is not the case. Wouldn’t it be strange if Newport council became UKIP controlled at the next city elections!

Jim Dyer Stockton Road Newport

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12:33pm Wed 28 May 14

helper7 says...

The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above. helper7
  • Score: 22

1:03pm Wed 28 May 14

throwy1 says...

Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment
Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment throwy1
  • Score: -5

1:32pm Wed 28 May 14

helper7 says...

throwy1 wrote:
Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment
Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote?
Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.
[quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment[/p][/quote]Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote? Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags. helper7
  • Score: 17

1:46pm Wed 28 May 14

anigel says...

helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
How soon we forget. The last Labour government were sentencing our children and children's children to a life of debt through their profligate spending of money the country didn't have.

You cannot spend your way out of debt even if you are a Labour supporter.
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]How soon we forget. The last Labour government were sentencing our children and children's children to a life of debt through their profligate spending of money the country didn't have. You cannot spend your way out of debt even if you are a Labour supporter. anigel
  • Score: 1

2:07pm Wed 28 May 14

helper7 says...

anigel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
How soon we forget. The last Labour government were sentencing our children and children's children to a life of debt through their profligate spending of money the country didn't have.

You cannot spend your way out of debt even if you are a Labour supporter.
Why are you Tories so paranoid about the deficit, last time they were in, they were in deficit for 16 out of their 18 years in power

Great News for Hard Working People, Inflation has risen by 14.5% since 2010... while your wages have gone back to 2002 levels

Sometimes I wish I owed the Tax Man £20 million, I could swan around in my brand new range rover, singing silly love songs, all day …

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[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]How soon we forget. The last Labour government were sentencing our children and children's children to a life of debt through their profligate spending of money the country didn't have. You cannot spend your way out of debt even if you are a Labour supporter.[/p][/quote]Why are you Tories so paranoid about the deficit, last time they were in, they were in deficit for 16 out of their 18 years in power Great News for Hard Working People, Inflation has risen by 14.5% since 2010... while your wages have gone back to 2002 levels Sometimes I wish I owed the Tax Man £20 million, I could swan around in my brand new range rover, singing silly love songs, all day … The greed of Bankers drove the world to financial collapse; not Labour building much needed new schools and hospitals . helper7
  • Score: 28

2:32pm Wed 28 May 14

Bobevans says...

helper7 wrote:
throwy1 wrote:
Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment
Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote?
Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.
The 65% who did not take part have expressed no view so cannot be counted
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment[/p][/quote]Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote? Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.[/p][/quote]The 65% who did not take part have expressed no view so cannot be counted Bobevans
  • Score: -15

2:35pm Wed 28 May 14

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  • Score: 24

4:13pm Wed 28 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Bobevans wrote:
helper7 wrote:
throwy1 wrote:
Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment
Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote?
Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.
The 65% who did not take part have expressed no view so cannot be counted
The 65% who voted not to get off the sofa and vote have banished themselves from any further involvement in debate, views or percentages of involvement.
Nobody knows what they might have voted for and anything more is simple conjecture.
The 35% who get out and voice an opinion rule the country and its policies.
This has been going on for years. Any of this talk that the politicians need to re connect with the non voting majority is nonsense.
You don't try and involve the spectators in a team game. You just need to get the votes of those already in the game. Political parties have been swaying the same small percentage for years now. With little or no involvement from the margins. I wish they would join in but unless big brother forces them to play, they can ignore what is going on in their country and carry on being the SILENT majority with no voice in any matters whilst the same old 35% duke it out.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment[/p][/quote]Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote? Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.[/p][/quote]The 65% who did not take part have expressed no view so cannot be counted[/p][/quote]The 65% who voted not to get off the sofa and vote have banished themselves from any further involvement in debate, views or percentages of involvement. Nobody knows what they might have voted for and anything more is simple conjecture. The 35% who get out and voice an opinion rule the country and its policies. This has been going on for years. Any of this talk that the politicians need to re connect with the non voting majority is nonsense. You don't try and involve the spectators in a team game. You just need to get the votes of those already in the game. Political parties have been swaying the same small percentage for years now. With little or no involvement from the margins. I wish they would join in but unless big brother forces them to play, they can ignore what is going on in their country and carry on being the SILENT majority with no voice in any matters whilst the same old 35% duke it out. landyman3030
  • Score: 5

4:40pm Wed 28 May 14

Bobevans says...

anigel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
How soon we forget. The last Labour government were sentencing our children and children's children to a life of debt through their profligate spending of money the country didn't have.

You cannot spend your way out of debt even if you are a Labour supporter.
The debt is not the real issue. You can live with debt if you can afford the interest on it. the problem is we also have a deficit ie we cannot afford the interest so borrow more money to service the interest on the debt so our debt gets bigger
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]How soon we forget. The last Labour government were sentencing our children and children's children to a life of debt through their profligate spending of money the country didn't have. You cannot spend your way out of debt even if you are a Labour supporter.[/p][/quote]The debt is not the real issue. You can live with debt if you can afford the interest on it. the problem is we also have a deficit ie we cannot afford the interest so borrow more money to service the interest on the debt so our debt gets bigger Bobevans
  • Score: -22

5:30pm Wed 28 May 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Was watching a discussion show on Sunday in which the Ukip representative condemned all other political parties as demonic. Er...yes, demonic! Do we really want such religious extremists controlling Britain?
Was watching a discussion show on Sunday in which the Ukip representative condemned all other political parties as demonic. Er...yes, demonic! Do we really want such religious extremists controlling Britain? Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 4

5:36pm Wed 28 May 14

Bobevans says...

UKIP support much higher than thought.

In much of England UKIP support is over 30%. In Wales and some parts of the North it is 20% to 29% and in London and Scotland it is under 10%

In tomorrows Westminster by-elections some pollsters are predicting that Bus Pass Elvis & the Monster Raving Loony party may beat the Lib-Dems

http://www.bbc.co.uk
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UKIP support much higher than thought. In much of England UKIP support is over 30%. In Wales and some parts of the North it is 20% to 29% and in London and Scotland it is under 10% In tomorrows Westminster by-elections some pollsters are predicting that Bus Pass Elvis & the Monster Raving Loony party may beat the Lib-Dems http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-27 576104 Bobevans
  • Score: -21

6:24pm Wed 28 May 14

helper7 says...

Thinking of policies like the bedroom tax and Politicians like MP David Davies telling our young folk to go to London to find work! poor old Tom Joad would be very familiar with life in the UK if he were to find himself here today.

Fast internet connection...check it out, enjoy:

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Thinking of policies like the bedroom tax and Politicians like MP David Davies telling our young folk to go to London to find work! poor old Tom Joad would be very familiar with life in the UK if he were to find himself here today. Fast internet connection...check it out, enjoy: http://n79.stagevu.c om/v/098b5d87ea86157 c7514f27ca5aca9d2/40 3226.avi helper7
  • Score: 22

6:38pm Wed 28 May 14

helper7 says...

helper7 wrote:
Thinking of policies like the bedroom tax and Politicians like MP David Davies telling our young folk to go to London to find work! poor old Tom Joad would be very familiar with life in the UK if he were to find himself here today.

Fast internet connection...check it out, enjoy:

http://n79.stagevu.c

om/v/098b5d87ea86157

c7514f27ca5aca9d2/40

3226.avi
Apologies if that link did not work, heres a taster:

http://youtu.be/wYFJ
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[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: Thinking of policies like the bedroom tax and Politicians like MP David Davies telling our young folk to go to London to find work! poor old Tom Joad would be very familiar with life in the UK if he were to find himself here today. Fast internet connection...check it out, enjoy: http://n79.stagevu.c om/v/098b5d87ea86157 c7514f27ca5aca9d2/40 3226.avi[/p][/quote]Apologies if that link did not work, heres a taster: http://youtu.be/wYFJ mm0aK-8 helper7
  • Score: 21

7:46pm Wed 28 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Was watching a discussion show on Sunday in which the Ukip representative condemned all other political parties as demonic. Er...yes, demonic! Do we really want such religious extremists controlling Britain?
Erm, Cameron and Cleggy said the same about them, called them racists and loons as well, they aint laughing now,they couldn't get to the European Billy Smart's quick enough to head them off and France has an outright majority representative who want Jews and Migrants kicked out, now that IS a racists part. The French National Front. If nothing else the UKIP is forcing politicians to get to grips with immigration and the circus of Europe that hasn't provided anyone with a launch in years except a demand for square bananas. European laxity is a direct threat to the UK and, to Europe itself. Now it isn't just a fringe in the UK, but half a dozen other countries too, the first day out looks to be interesting, despite the claim Tories and Labour will 'carry on as usual' I suspect a shock is coming to them. Their smug arrogance is going to come straight back at them.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Was watching a discussion show on Sunday in which the Ukip representative condemned all other political parties as demonic. Er...yes, demonic! Do we really want such religious extremists controlling Britain?[/p][/quote]Erm, Cameron and Cleggy said the same about them, called them racists and loons as well, they aint laughing now,they couldn't get to the European Billy Smart's quick enough to head them off and France has an outright majority representative who want Jews and Migrants kicked out, now that IS a racists part. The French National Front. If nothing else the UKIP is forcing politicians to get to grips with immigration and the circus of Europe that hasn't provided anyone with a launch in years except a demand for square bananas. European laxity is a direct threat to the UK and, to Europe itself. Now it isn't just a fringe in the UK, but half a dozen other countries too, the first day out looks to be interesting, despite the claim Tories and Labour will 'carry on as usual' I suspect a shock is coming to them. Their smug arrogance is going to come straight back at them. Mervyn James
  • Score: 5

9:37pm Wed 28 May 14

pwlldu says...

Far right in France, far left in Greece and Ukip in Britain all anti Europe. One swallow don't make a summer. Can't wait to see ukip's policies, as it was nowhere to be seen during the euro election.
Far right in France, far left in Greece and Ukip in Britain all anti Europe. One swallow don't make a summer. Can't wait to see ukip's policies, as it was nowhere to be seen during the euro election. pwlldu
  • Score: 5

9:39pm Wed 28 May 14

Bobevans says...

Great News from Cameron on his EU visit. The EU have told him what he has to do now

a) implement the EU Central bank

b) UK to reduce energy consumption of face fines. This is on top of the Carbon taxes

c) Implement the 3 CROP RUKLE next year. I yest not it is real

d) The bill has gone up as well they want another £0.5B from us
Great News from Cameron on his EU visit. The EU have told him what he has to do now a) implement the EU Central bank b) UK to reduce energy consumption of face fines. This is on top of the Carbon taxes c) Implement the 3 CROP RUKLE next year. I yest not it is real d) The bill has gone up as well they want another £0.5B from us Bobevans
  • Score: -21

9:42pm Wed 28 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s'

For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s' For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -13

9:52pm Wed 28 May 14

Lord coed melyn says...

He is good?
Mr gill, in a T.v interview on the B.B.C. He,s going to cover all the grants that wales. We will lose if UK leave the Europe. At this moment it runs at about 2 billion. You must believe everything. Pinocchio is saying or your a wooden head In a land. English puppets the worst thing is i think he believes is own proper gander. It is sad.
He is good? Mr gill, in a T.v interview on the B.B.C. He,s going to cover all the grants that wales. We will lose if UK leave the Europe. At this moment it runs at about 2 billion. You must believe everything. Pinocchio is saying or your a wooden head In a land. English puppets the worst thing is i think he believes is own proper gander. It is sad. Lord coed melyn
  • Score: -6

10:01pm Wed 28 May 14

Monmouthshire Merlin says...

pwlldu wrote:
Far right in France, far left in Greece and Ukip in Britain all anti Europe. One swallow don't make a summer. Can't wait to see ukip's policies, as it was nowhere to be seen during the euro election.
Mr Nutt, you must be dismayed at the lack of support for Plaid in the valleys!
Perhaps Dai public have woken up to plaids separatist nationalist agenda.
15% of the Welsh vote is a disaster and Leanne Wood should be as worried as Mr Clegg particularly given she is not 'pure Welsh' how much longer will she be there?
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Far right in France, far left in Greece and Ukip in Britain all anti Europe. One swallow don't make a summer. Can't wait to see ukip's policies, as it was nowhere to be seen during the euro election.[/p][/quote]Mr Nutt, you must be dismayed at the lack of support for Plaid in the valleys! Perhaps Dai public have woken up to plaids separatist nationalist agenda. 15% of the Welsh vote is a disaster and Leanne Wood should be as worried as Mr Clegg particularly given she is not 'pure Welsh' how much longer will she be there? Monmouthshire Merlin
  • Score: 4

8:41am Thu 29 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Bobevans wrote:
Great News from Cameron on his EU visit. The EU have told him what he has to do now

a) implement the EU Central bank

b) UK to reduce energy consumption of face fines. This is on top of the Carbon taxes

c) Implement the 3 CROP RUKLE next year. I yest not it is real

d) The bill has gone up as well they want another £0.5B from us
This is the sort of nonsense that is going to inflame the EU debate even more. How can the EU Commission think that they can ignore the disaffection with Europe by the voting public and charge on regardless. This will take the UK input to over £10 BILLION POUNDS a year. And the reason given is to help out with European wide youth unemployment and because Ukraine is in trouble. I want to be able to believe that the EU is viable for us and change can happen from inside but with the Eurocrats blindly ignoring us and steam rolling further costs and fines and Euro regulations on us i am fast coming to the conclusion that we need to seriously look at whether we can afford to stay in. We refused the Euro as a currency and we still trade with Europe. Maybe we need to refuse the EU too.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Great News from Cameron on his EU visit. The EU have told him what he has to do now a) implement the EU Central bank b) UK to reduce energy consumption of face fines. This is on top of the Carbon taxes c) Implement the 3 CROP RUKLE next year. I yest not it is real d) The bill has gone up as well they want another £0.5B from us[/p][/quote]This is the sort of nonsense that is going to inflame the EU debate even more. How can the EU Commission think that they can ignore the disaffection with Europe by the voting public and charge on regardless. This will take the UK input to over £10 BILLION POUNDS a year. And the reason given is to help out with European wide youth unemployment and because Ukraine is in trouble. I want to be able to believe that the EU is viable for us and change can happen from inside but with the Eurocrats blindly ignoring us and steam rolling further costs and fines and Euro regulations on us i am fast coming to the conclusion that we need to seriously look at whether we can afford to stay in. We refused the Euro as a currency and we still trade with Europe. Maybe we need to refuse the EU too. landyman3030
  • Score: 4

9:15am Thu 29 May 14

-trigg- says...

Bobevans wrote:
Great News from Cameron on his EU visit. The EU have told him what he has to do now a) implement the EU Central bank b) UK to reduce energy consumption of face fines. This is on top of the Carbon taxes c) Implement the 3 CROP RUKLE next year. I yest not it is real d) The bill has gone up as well they want another £0.5B from us
And their accounts are still so dodgy that the auditors refuse to sign off on them. How many years in a row is that now?
£12B of our money each year that might just as well be thrown straight into the North Sea.

The more I look at it, the more I see comparisons with the "Foreign Aid" budget. They are similar amounts and in both cases they are used to line the pockets of foreign politicians and shady businessmen whether we like it or not.

What could the UK government do with £24B a year if we stopped the waste?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Great News from Cameron on his EU visit. The EU have told him what he has to do now a) implement the EU Central bank b) UK to reduce energy consumption of face fines. This is on top of the Carbon taxes c) Implement the 3 CROP RUKLE next year. I yest not it is real d) The bill has gone up as well they want another £0.5B from us[/p][/quote]And their accounts are still so dodgy that the auditors refuse to sign off on them. How many years in a row is that now? £12B of our money each year that might just as well be thrown straight into the North Sea. The more I look at it, the more I see comparisons with the "Foreign Aid" budget. They are similar amounts and in both cases they are used to line the pockets of foreign politicians and shady businessmen whether we like it or not. What could the UK government do with £24B a year if we stopped the waste? -trigg-
  • Score: -16

9:28am Thu 29 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

anigel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
How soon we forget. The last Labour government were sentencing our children and children's children to a life of debt through their profligate spending of money the country didn't have.

You cannot spend your way out of debt even if you are a Labour supporter.
I think John Maynard Keynes - am going out of an limb here and wagering he's a more accomplished economist than most, certainly yourself - would offer a different opinion e.g. his exponent of 'great / grand works' demonstrates you can indeed spend your way out of debt.
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]How soon we forget. The last Labour government were sentencing our children and children's children to a life of debt through their profligate spending of money the country didn't have. You cannot spend your way out of debt even if you are a Labour supporter.[/p][/quote]I think John Maynard Keynes - am going out of an limb here and wagering he's a more accomplished economist than most, certainly yourself - would offer a different opinion e.g. his exponent of 'great / grand works' demonstrates you can indeed spend your way out of debt. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 0

10:42am Thu 29 May 14

Mr Angry says...

Bobevans wrote:
helper7 wrote:
throwy1 wrote: Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment
Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote? Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.
The 65% who did not take part have expressed no view so cannot be counted
They expressed the view that no politicans are worth voting for. A valid point .
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment[/p][/quote]Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote? Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.[/p][/quote]The 65% who did not take part have expressed no view so cannot be counted[/p][/quote]They expressed the view that no politicans are worth voting for. A valid point . Mr Angry
  • Score: 2

12:00pm Thu 29 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
helper7 wrote:
throwy1 wrote: Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment
Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote? Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.
The 65% who did not take part have expressed no view so cannot be counted
They expressed the view that no politicans are worth voting for. A valid point .
Complete guesswork and conjecture. If they wanted to express that opinion they could have spoiled their paper if they felt that way. The only view they expressed was that they had somewhere more important to be than the polling booth.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment[/p][/quote]Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote? Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.[/p][/quote]The 65% who did not take part have expressed no view so cannot be counted[/p][/quote]They expressed the view that no politicans are worth voting for. A valid point .[/p][/quote]Complete guesswork and conjecture. If they wanted to express that opinion they could have spoiled their paper if they felt that way. The only view they expressed was that they had somewhere more important to be than the polling booth. landyman3030
  • Score: -1

12:27pm Thu 29 May 14

throwy1 says...

helper7 wrote:
throwy1 wrote:
Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment
Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote?
Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.
Interested in the thoughts of people who didn't bother to vote.
No not at all if people entitled to express an opinion cannot get off their backsides and do so then no I am not interested in their views. Half the world (yes a slight exaggeration) don't have the Right to vote. It should be compulsory in Britain to vote.
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment[/p][/quote]Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote? Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.[/p][/quote]Interested in the thoughts of people who didn't bother to vote. No not at all if people entitled to express an opinion cannot get off their backsides and do so then no I am not interested in their views. Half the world (yes a slight exaggeration) don't have the Right to vote. It should be compulsory in Britain to vote. throwy1
  • Score: -1

12:58pm Thu 29 May 14

Mr Angry says...

So tell me who is there worth voting for ?

It seems likely that the next general election could well have a turnout of less than 50%, bearing in mind the main contestants( Cameron & Milliband ) are both upper class twits - tell me which one is worth voting for ?
So tell me who is there worth voting for ? It seems likely that the next general election could well have a turnout of less than 50%, bearing in mind the main contestants( Cameron & Milliband ) are both upper class twits - tell me which one is worth voting for ? Mr Angry
  • Score: 4

1:06pm Thu 29 May 14

ollie72 says...

2 things to say on this:

1. If 65% of the electorate didn't turn out due to apathy, then this needs to be rectfified - I would suggest that voting is made mandatory, but a "none of the above" option is added to all ballot sheets so people can register their unhappiness with the current system.

2. UKIP. The problem I have with these guys is that they are just putting lowest common denominator rhetoric out there, with no facts to back them up. They say that they have the cure for all the UK's ills, but unlike the other parties, they never offer costings for these policies.

With regard to their views on immigration etc, they may be right, they may be wrong - that's for people to decide individually. However, I would say that any financial benefit/loss that is caused by immigrants is miniscule compared to the damage that the bankers brought to the UK economy, and the tax avoided every year.

What worries me is that immigrants are an easy target for people with low morals to label as "the enemy", so they can stir up the Sun readers...
2 things to say on this: 1. If 65% of the electorate didn't turn out due to apathy, then this needs to be rectfified - I would suggest that voting is made mandatory, but a "none of the above" option is added to all ballot sheets so people can register their unhappiness with the current system. 2. UKIP. The problem I have with these guys is that they are just putting lowest common denominator rhetoric out there, with no facts to back them up. They say that they have the cure for all the UK's ills, but unlike the other parties, they never offer costings for these policies. With regard to their views on immigration etc, they may be right, they may be wrong - that's for people to decide individually. However, I would say that any financial benefit/loss that is caused by immigrants is miniscule compared to the damage that the bankers brought to the UK economy, and the tax avoided every year. What worries me is that immigrants are an easy target for people with low morals to label as "the enemy", so they can stir up the Sun readers... ollie72
  • Score: 15

1:48pm Thu 29 May 14

pwlldu says...

UKIP plan to win elections 1 don't have a party manifesto, 2 Campaign on one negative issue, 3 Ignore all the crazy rants made by other UKIP members.
UKIP plan to win elections 1 don't have a party manifesto, 2 Campaign on one negative issue, 3 Ignore all the crazy rants made by other UKIP members. pwlldu
  • Score: 10

9:37pm Thu 29 May 14

welshmen says...

Ukip have no need for Polices yet, just like the rest of them, Ukip don't have it right on immigration, UKIP want 50k over net which is far to many, they are better than the other three goon Parties though, better if they stopped all immigration until the infrastructure has caught up with the 3.5 million immigrants and rising that were let in.

pwlldu says...
UKIP plan to win elections 1 don't have a party manifesto, 2 Campaign on one negative issue, 3 Ignore all the crazy rants made by other UKIP members.

Welshmen says: and guess what, they still hammered your lot....

UKIP won 24 seats, 23 more MEP's than your Commie Plaid Party, get over it you bad losers ....ollie, helper7, also the EU haven't had their Accounts audited for over ten years, what British run business could get away with that blunder, answer not one....
Ukip have no need for Polices yet, just like the rest of them, Ukip don't have it right on immigration, UKIP want 50k over net which is far to many, they are better than the other three goon Parties though, better if they stopped all immigration until the infrastructure has caught up with the 3.5 million immigrants and rising that were let in. pwlldu says... UKIP plan to win elections 1 don't have a party manifesto, 2 Campaign on one negative issue, 3 Ignore all the crazy rants made by other UKIP members. Welshmen says: and guess what, they still hammered your lot.... UKIP won 24 seats, 23 more MEP's than your Commie Plaid Party, get over it you bad losers ....ollie, helper7, also the EU haven't had their Accounts audited for over ten years, what British run business could get away with that blunder, answer not one.... welshmen
  • Score: -22

9:58pm Thu 29 May 14

pwlldu says...

On a disastrous night for Nick Griffin – who lost his seat in the European Parliament – the BNP’s leader took the time to explain his defeat by saying that people had voted for “Ukip’s racist policies instead”.

With the BNP’s vote shrinking from 6.13% for the North West in 2009 to just 1.87% last night, the former MEP took the time to explain to Sky News how his party was different from Nigel Farage’s Ukip.

“I've lost count of the number I've spoken to who people say, 'We really like the BNP but we are voting Ukip because there is more chance they will stop immigration and send them all home'. As there is not a hope in hell of that, people are going to be very disappointed when they find out what Ukip really stands for and that huge vote is going to come back to us.”

Mr Griffin, who was declared bankrupt in January, responded to questions of what he would do next by saying: "Well unfortunately for the British taxpayer, outgoing MEPs still get paid for another six months."
On a disastrous night for Nick Griffin – who lost his seat in the European Parliament – the BNP’s leader took the time to explain his defeat by saying that people had voted for “Ukip’s racist policies instead”. With the BNP’s vote shrinking from 6.13% for the North West in 2009 to just 1.87% last night, the former MEP took the time to explain to Sky News how his party was different from Nigel Farage’s Ukip. “I've lost count of the number I've spoken to who people say, 'We really like the BNP but we are voting Ukip because there is more chance they will stop immigration and send them all home'. As there is not a hope in hell of that, people are going to be very disappointed when they find out what Ukip really stands for and that huge vote is going to come back to us.” Mr Griffin, who was declared bankrupt in January, responded to questions of what he would do next by saying: "Well unfortunately for the British taxpayer, outgoing MEPs still get paid for another six months." pwlldu
  • Score: 10

8:39am Fri 30 May 14

Bobevans says...

pwlldu wrote:
On a disastrous night for Nick Griffin – who lost his seat in the European Parliament – the BNP’s leader took the time to explain his defeat by saying that people had voted for “Ukip’s racist policies instead”.

With the BNP’s vote shrinking from 6.13% for the North West in 2009 to just 1.87% last night, the former MEP took the time to explain to Sky News how his party was different from Nigel Farage’s Ukip.

“I've lost count of the number I've spoken to who people say, 'We really like the BNP but we are voting Ukip because there is more chance they will stop immigration and send them all home'. As there is not a hope in hell of that, people are going to be very disappointed when they find out what Ukip really stands for and that huge vote is going to come back to us.”

Mr Griffin, who was declared bankrupt in January, responded to questions of what he would do next by saying: "Well unfortunately for the British taxpayer, outgoing MEPs still get paid for another six months."
UKIP specifically bans BNP and ex BNP members and takes the strongest action against any UKIP members that bring the party into disrepute

UKIP has no racist policies and would not support such policies.

UKIP has 24 MEP's of which three are of ethnic origin and one is Gay so that tends to shot down many of the slurs made against UKIP
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: On a disastrous night for Nick Griffin – who lost his seat in the European Parliament – the BNP’s leader took the time to explain his defeat by saying that people had voted for “Ukip’s racist policies instead”. With the BNP’s vote shrinking from 6.13% for the North West in 2009 to just 1.87% last night, the former MEP took the time to explain to Sky News how his party was different from Nigel Farage’s Ukip. “I've lost count of the number I've spoken to who people say, 'We really like the BNP but we are voting Ukip because there is more chance they will stop immigration and send them all home'. As there is not a hope in hell of that, people are going to be very disappointed when they find out what Ukip really stands for and that huge vote is going to come back to us.” Mr Griffin, who was declared bankrupt in January, responded to questions of what he would do next by saying: "Well unfortunately for the British taxpayer, outgoing MEPs still get paid for another six months."[/p][/quote]UKIP specifically bans BNP and ex BNP members and takes the strongest action against any UKIP members that bring the party into disrepute UKIP has no racist policies and would not support such policies. UKIP has 24 MEP's of which three are of ethnic origin and one is Gay so that tends to shot down many of the slurs made against UKIP Bobevans
  • Score: -23

8:55am Fri 30 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
So tell me who is there worth voting for ?

It seems likely that the next general election could well have a turnout of less than 50%, bearing in mind the main contestants( Cameron & Milliband ) are both upper class twits - tell me which one is worth voting for ?
Sounds like there is room for a None of the Above box!
Let the people who see nobody worth their vote have a voice. Maybe the politicos will then see an accurate percentage of the public they are NOT connecting with.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: So tell me who is there worth voting for ? It seems likely that the next general election could well have a turnout of less than 50%, bearing in mind the main contestants( Cameron & Milliband ) are both upper class twits - tell me which one is worth voting for ?[/p][/quote]Sounds like there is room for a None of the Above box! Let the people who see nobody worth their vote have a voice. Maybe the politicos will then see an accurate percentage of the public they are NOT connecting with. landyman3030
  • Score: 4

10:19am Fri 30 May 14

pwlldu says...

I bet you Bob those UKIP has 24 MEP's will be standing in the next year general election. They will be using any public money and time not in Europe but campaigning to get into Westminster. Being a MEP is just the start to being a career politician, they have no interest in working in the EU just the pay. Nathan Gill and big Nigel have already said they will be standing next year. By the way Big Nigel said he would issue all his expences but still haven't done so, typical politican say one thing to get votes but don't back up his words with actions.
I bet you Bob those UKIP has 24 MEP's will be standing in the next year general election. They will be using any public money and time not in Europe but campaigning to get into Westminster. Being a MEP is just the start to being a career politician, they have no interest in working in the EU just the pay. Nathan Gill and big Nigel have already said they will be standing next year. By the way Big Nigel said he would issue all his expences but still haven't done so, typical politican say one thing to get votes but don't back up his words with actions. pwlldu
  • Score: 13

11:49am Fri 30 May 14

Mervyn James says...

What will swing it to the UKIP will be voter apathy. It got us the welsh assembly the demise of the Lib-dems, and now 23 UKIP reps in Europe. I see the lib-dems erased from te scene,and perhaps labour/Tories support lowered drastically too, this suggest another coalition and the lib-dems won't be there again to back Cameron. Given the UK population admits to be even more racist these days, it's going to be a hung parliament. Between now and 2015 expect all parties to be waging war on immigration but we won't be fooled by promises of jam tomorrow, we want action now, especially as immigration has gone UP again !!!
What will swing it to the UKIP will be voter apathy. It got us the welsh assembly the demise of the Lib-dems, and now 23 UKIP reps in Europe. I see the lib-dems erased from te scene,and perhaps labour/Tories support lowered drastically too, this suggest another coalition and the lib-dems won't be there again to back Cameron. Given the UK population admits to be even more racist these days, it's going to be a hung parliament. Between now and 2015 expect all parties to be waging war on immigration but we won't be fooled by promises of jam tomorrow, we want action now, especially as immigration has gone UP again !!! Mervyn James
  • Score: 4

12:24pm Fri 30 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s'

For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.
Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s' For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -20

2:14pm Fri 30 May 14

Bobevans says...

Bobevans wrote:
helper7 wrote:
throwy1 wrote:
Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment
Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote?
Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.
The 65% who did not take part have expressed no view so cannot be counted
Sable35 • 2 minutes ago





Recent report by the UN -

The UN reported that for the UK to have a reasonable quality of life, to be reasonably self-sufficient in food, to be able to meet the needs of the population for sanitation, water, health requirements, energy needs, transport infrastructure - that the UK -
should have a population of between 30 - 40 million -
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment[/p][/quote]Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote? Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.[/p][/quote]The 65% who did not take part have expressed no view so cannot be counted[/p][/quote]Sable35 • 2 minutes ago Recent report by the UN - The UN reported that for the UK to have a reasonable quality of life, to be reasonably self-sufficient in food, to be able to meet the needs of the population for sanitation, water, health requirements, energy needs, transport infrastructure - that the UK - should have a population of between 30 - 40 million - Bobevans
  • Score: -25

3:19pm Fri 30 May 14

pwlldu says...

UKIP done well with no published policies, as they are under review. Like abolish the NHS and a flat tax rate, so the poor would pay the same % as the rich.
UKIP done well with no published policies, as they are under review. Like abolish the NHS and a flat tax rate, so the poor would pay the same % as the rich. pwlldu
  • Score: 8

4:06pm Fri 30 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s'

For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.
Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.
Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s' For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.[/p][/quote]Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -25

4:38pm Fri 30 May 14

helper7 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s'

For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.
Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.
Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.
The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives.

What the ***k have they spent all that money on?
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s' For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.[/p][/quote]Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.[/p][/quote]The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives. What the ***k have they spent all that money on? helper7
  • Score: 19

4:48pm Fri 30 May 14

helper7 says...

Economic figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that the coalition has borrowed £430.072 billion, whereas the last Labour government managed to borrow just £429.975 billion.
Thats in Osbourns fist three years as Chancellor, more than Labour did in thirteen.

The true cost of the Tories
Economic figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that the coalition has borrowed £430.072 billion, whereas the last Labour government managed to borrow just £429.975 billion. Thats in Osbourns fist three years as Chancellor, more than Labour did in thirteen. The true cost of the Tories helper7
  • Score: 21

4:51pm Fri 30 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s'

For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.
Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.
Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.
The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives.

What the ***k have they spent all that money on?
Spending more on hospitals isn't the same as doing any good with that spending. Mid Staffs happened on Labour's watch as did massively bloating bureaucracy in the public sector. People who had never worked but were fully capable, had no upper limit on the benefits they could claim. Mandelson himself admitted 'handing out passports freehand'. All of this was paid for by raising virtually every tax paid by working people. Council Tax doubled, stamp duty, income tax, NI, every indirect tax you can name and in a period of 'growth'? You might call that bang-for-buck, I don't. As for attacking countries with no reason, yes that too although I admit that no party came out of that particular debate well.
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s' For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.[/p][/quote]Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.[/p][/quote]The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives. What the ***k have they spent all that money on?[/p][/quote]Spending more on hospitals isn't the same as doing any good with that spending. Mid Staffs happened on Labour's watch as did massively bloating bureaucracy in the public sector. People who had never worked but were fully capable, had no upper limit on the benefits they could claim. Mandelson himself admitted 'handing out passports freehand'. All of this was paid for by raising virtually every tax paid by working people. Council Tax doubled, stamp duty, income tax, NI, every indirect tax you can name and in a period of 'growth'? You might call that bang-for-buck, I don't. As for attacking countries with no reason, yes that too although I admit that no party came out of that particular debate well. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -22

5:04pm Fri 30 May 14

helper7 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s'

For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.
Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.
Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.
The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives.

What the ***k have they spent all that money on?
Spending more on hospitals isn't the same as doing any good with that spending. Mid Staffs happened on Labour's watch as did massively bloating bureaucracy in the public sector. People who had never worked but were fully capable, had no upper limit on the benefits they could claim. Mandelson himself admitted 'handing out passports freehand'. All of this was paid for by raising virtually every tax paid by working people. Council Tax doubled, stamp duty, income tax, NI, every indirect tax you can name and in a period of 'growth'? You might call that bang-for-buck, I don't. As for attacking countries with no reason, yes that too although I admit that no party came out of that particular debate well.
What the ***k have the Tories they spent all that money on?
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s' For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.[/p][/quote]Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.[/p][/quote]The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives. What the ***k have they spent all that money on?[/p][/quote]Spending more on hospitals isn't the same as doing any good with that spending. Mid Staffs happened on Labour's watch as did massively bloating bureaucracy in the public sector. People who had never worked but were fully capable, had no upper limit on the benefits they could claim. Mandelson himself admitted 'handing out passports freehand'. All of this was paid for by raising virtually every tax paid by working people. Council Tax doubled, stamp duty, income tax, NI, every indirect tax you can name and in a period of 'growth'? You might call that bang-for-buck, I don't. As for attacking countries with no reason, yes that too although I admit that no party came out of that particular debate well.[/p][/quote]What the ***k have the Tories they spent all that money on? helper7
  • Score: 21

5:09pm Fri 30 May 14

helper7 says...

Who else but a Tory, would take money from Disabled people? No roots, principles, morals or values. I could never vote for the Tory party, that takes money from disabled people, while giving millionaires Tax Cuts.

Something the Tories don’t want you to know about GDP, and the Banks, No roots ,principles or values:

http://www.tradingec
onomics.com/united-k
ingdom/government-de
bt-to-gdp
Who else but a Tory, would take money from Disabled people? No roots, principles, morals or values. I could never vote for the Tory party, that takes money from disabled people, while giving millionaires Tax Cuts. Something the Tories don’t want you to know about GDP, and the Banks, No roots ,principles or values: http://www.tradingec onomics.com/united-k ingdom/government-de bt-to-gdp helper7
  • Score: 21

5:10pm Fri 30 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s'

For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.
Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.
Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.
The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives.

What the ***k have they spent all that money on?
Spending more on hospitals isn't the same as doing any good with that spending. Mid Staffs happened on Labour's watch as did massively bloating bureaucracy in the public sector. People who had never worked but were fully capable, had no upper limit on the benefits they could claim. Mandelson himself admitted 'handing out passports freehand'. All of this was paid for by raising virtually every tax paid by working people. Council Tax doubled, stamp duty, income tax, NI, every indirect tax you can name and in a period of 'growth'? You might call that bang-for-buck, I don't. As for attacking countries with no reason, yes that too although I admit that no party came out of that particular debate well.
What the ***k have the Tories they spent all that money on?
Interest on what Labour borrowed?
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s' For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.[/p][/quote]Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.[/p][/quote]The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives. What the ***k have they spent all that money on?[/p][/quote]Spending more on hospitals isn't the same as doing any good with that spending. Mid Staffs happened on Labour's watch as did massively bloating bureaucracy in the public sector. People who had never worked but were fully capable, had no upper limit on the benefits they could claim. Mandelson himself admitted 'handing out passports freehand'. All of this was paid for by raising virtually every tax paid by working people. Council Tax doubled, stamp duty, income tax, NI, every indirect tax you can name and in a period of 'growth'? You might call that bang-for-buck, I don't. As for attacking countries with no reason, yes that too although I admit that no party came out of that particular debate well.[/p][/quote]What the ***k have the Tories they spent all that money on?[/p][/quote]Interest on what Labour borrowed? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -25

5:15pm Fri 30 May 14

helper7 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s'

For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.
Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.
Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.
The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives.

What the ***k have they spent all that money on?
Spending more on hospitals isn't the same as doing any good with that spending. Mid Staffs happened on Labour's watch as did massively bloating bureaucracy in the public sector. People who had never worked but were fully capable, had no upper limit on the benefits they could claim. Mandelson himself admitted 'handing out passports freehand'. All of this was paid for by raising virtually every tax paid by working people. Council Tax doubled, stamp duty, income tax, NI, every indirect tax you can name and in a period of 'growth'? You might call that bang-for-buck, I don't. As for attacking countries with no reason, yes that too although I admit that no party came out of that particular debate well.
What the ***k have the Tories they spent all that money on?
Interest on what Labour borrowed?
What you really mean is The amount of U-turns by the Tories where they spend money to change the system, then realise it won't work is incredible so lets blame Labour!

Vote Tory for more pain
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s' For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.[/p][/quote]Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.[/p][/quote]The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives. What the ***k have they spent all that money on?[/p][/quote]Spending more on hospitals isn't the same as doing any good with that spending. Mid Staffs happened on Labour's watch as did massively bloating bureaucracy in the public sector. People who had never worked but were fully capable, had no upper limit on the benefits they could claim. Mandelson himself admitted 'handing out passports freehand'. All of this was paid for by raising virtually every tax paid by working people. Council Tax doubled, stamp duty, income tax, NI, every indirect tax you can name and in a period of 'growth'? You might call that bang-for-buck, I don't. As for attacking countries with no reason, yes that too although I admit that no party came out of that particular debate well.[/p][/quote]What the ***k have the Tories they spent all that money on?[/p][/quote]Interest on what Labour borrowed?[/p][/quote]What you really mean is The amount of U-turns by the Tories where they spend money to change the system, then realise it won't work is incredible so lets blame Labour! Vote Tory for more pain helper7
  • Score: 26

5:22pm Fri 30 May 14

Stevenboy says...

helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s'

For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.
Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.
Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.
The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives.

What the ***k have they spent all that money on?
Spending more on hospitals isn't the same as doing any good with that spending. Mid Staffs happened on Labour's watch as did massively bloating bureaucracy in the public sector. People who had never worked but were fully capable, had no upper limit on the benefits they could claim. Mandelson himself admitted 'handing out passports freehand'. All of this was paid for by raising virtually every tax paid by working people. Council Tax doubled, stamp duty, income tax, NI, every indirect tax you can name and in a period of 'growth'? You might call that bang-for-buck, I don't. As for attacking countries with no reason, yes that too although I admit that no party came out of that particular debate well.
What the ***k have the Tories they spent all that money on?
Interest on what Labour borrowed?
What you really mean is The amount of U-turns by the Tories where they spend money to change the system, then realise it won't work is incredible so lets blame Labour!

Vote Tory for more pain
The Tories were hogtied when they took office. Labour massively increased the non-productive public sector pay bill (like devolution) in order to try and buy votes. That coupled with a Europe wide recession. Are you ignoring the memo left by Liam Byrne? 'All the money's gone'. The question is, where did that vast increase of hundreds of billions in tax hikes go?
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s' For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.[/p][/quote]Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.[/p][/quote]The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives. What the ***k have they spent all that money on?[/p][/quote]Spending more on hospitals isn't the same as doing any good with that spending. Mid Staffs happened on Labour's watch as did massively bloating bureaucracy in the public sector. People who had never worked but were fully capable, had no upper limit on the benefits they could claim. Mandelson himself admitted 'handing out passports freehand'. All of this was paid for by raising virtually every tax paid by working people. Council Tax doubled, stamp duty, income tax, NI, every indirect tax you can name and in a period of 'growth'? You might call that bang-for-buck, I don't. As for attacking countries with no reason, yes that too although I admit that no party came out of that particular debate well.[/p][/quote]What the ***k have the Tories they spent all that money on?[/p][/quote]Interest on what Labour borrowed?[/p][/quote]What you really mean is The amount of U-turns by the Tories where they spend money to change the system, then realise it won't work is incredible so lets blame Labour! Vote Tory for more pain[/p][/quote]The Tories were hogtied when they took office. Labour massively increased the non-productive public sector pay bill (like devolution) in order to try and buy votes. That coupled with a Europe wide recession. Are you ignoring the memo left by Liam Byrne? 'All the money's gone'. The question is, where did that vast increase of hundreds of billions in tax hikes go? Stevenboy
  • Score: -25

5:26pm Fri 30 May 14

helper7 says...

Stevenboy wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s'

For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.
Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.
Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.
The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives.

What the ***k have they spent all that money on?
Spending more on hospitals isn't the same as doing any good with that spending. Mid Staffs happened on Labour's watch as did massively bloating bureaucracy in the public sector. People who had never worked but were fully capable, had no upper limit on the benefits they could claim. Mandelson himself admitted 'handing out passports freehand'. All of this was paid for by raising virtually every tax paid by working people. Council Tax doubled, stamp duty, income tax, NI, every indirect tax you can name and in a period of 'growth'? You might call that bang-for-buck, I don't. As for attacking countries with no reason, yes that too although I admit that no party came out of that particular debate well.
What the ***k have the Tories they spent all that money on?
Interest on what Labour borrowed?
What you really mean is The amount of U-turns by the Tories where they spend money to change the system, then realise it won't work is incredible so lets blame Labour!

Vote Tory for more pain
The Tories were hogtied when they took office. Labour massively increased the non-productive public sector pay bill (like devolution) in order to try and buy votes. That coupled with a Europe wide recession. Are you ignoring the memo left by Liam Byrne? 'All the money's gone'. The question is, where did that vast increase of hundreds of billions in tax hikes go?
Tories in pledge to cut waste,dont make me laugh. For a govt that has come in claiming to try and save money, how much have they wasted? Incalculable
U-turn after U-turns.

I guess you can go back to believing that UKIP are better than anyone else again for the rest of the day or that Brown caused the worldwide ressession. Dream on.
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s' For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.[/p][/quote]Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.[/p][/quote]The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives. What the ***k have they spent all that money on?[/p][/quote]Spending more on hospitals isn't the same as doing any good with that spending. Mid Staffs happened on Labour's watch as did massively bloating bureaucracy in the public sector. People who had never worked but were fully capable, had no upper limit on the benefits they could claim. Mandelson himself admitted 'handing out passports freehand'. All of this was paid for by raising virtually every tax paid by working people. Council Tax doubled, stamp duty, income tax, NI, every indirect tax you can name and in a period of 'growth'? You might call that bang-for-buck, I don't. As for attacking countries with no reason, yes that too although I admit that no party came out of that particular debate well.[/p][/quote]What the ***k have the Tories they spent all that money on?[/p][/quote]Interest on what Labour borrowed?[/p][/quote]What you really mean is The amount of U-turns by the Tories where they spend money to change the system, then realise it won't work is incredible so lets blame Labour! Vote Tory for more pain[/p][/quote]The Tories were hogtied when they took office. Labour massively increased the non-productive public sector pay bill (like devolution) in order to try and buy votes. That coupled with a Europe wide recession. Are you ignoring the memo left by Liam Byrne? 'All the money's gone'. The question is, where did that vast increase of hundreds of billions in tax hikes go?[/p][/quote]Tories in pledge to cut waste,dont make me laugh. For a govt that has come in claiming to try and save money, how much have they wasted? Incalculable U-turn after U-turns. I guess you can go back to believing that UKIP are better than anyone else again for the rest of the day or that Brown caused the worldwide ressession. Dream on. helper7
  • Score: 22

5:45pm Fri 30 May 14

Stevenboy says...

helper7 wrote:
Stevenboy wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s'

For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.
Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.
Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.
The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives.

What the ***k have they spent all that money on?
Spending more on hospitals isn't the same as doing any good with that spending. Mid Staffs happened on Labour's watch as did massively bloating bureaucracy in the public sector. People who had never worked but were fully capable, had no upper limit on the benefits they could claim. Mandelson himself admitted 'handing out passports freehand'. All of this was paid for by raising virtually every tax paid by working people. Council Tax doubled, stamp duty, income tax, NI, every indirect tax you can name and in a period of 'growth'? You might call that bang-for-buck, I don't. As for attacking countries with no reason, yes that too although I admit that no party came out of that particular debate well.
What the ***k have the Tories they spent all that money on?
Interest on what Labour borrowed?
What you really mean is The amount of U-turns by the Tories where they spend money to change the system, then realise it won't work is incredible so lets blame Labour!

Vote Tory for more pain
The Tories were hogtied when they took office. Labour massively increased the non-productive public sector pay bill (like devolution) in order to try and buy votes. That coupled with a Europe wide recession. Are you ignoring the memo left by Liam Byrne? 'All the money's gone'. The question is, where did that vast increase of hundreds of billions in tax hikes go?
Tories in pledge to cut waste,dont make me laugh. For a govt that has come in claiming to try and save money, how much have they wasted? Incalculable
U-turn after U-turns.

I guess you can go back to believing that UKIP are better than anyone else again for the rest of the day or that Brown caused the worldwide ressession. Dream on.
Labour always leave power when they have run out of other people's money. Are you trying to suggest that Labour didn't do U-turns? Waste billions?
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s' For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.[/p][/quote]Not forgetting his raid on peoples pensions.[/p][/quote]Yes and it's interesting that there are still apologists for this incompetent thief even now.[/p][/quote]The Tories claim to be the party of economic competence, yet this reports in some well regarded news papers (also appears in many online data sheets elsewhere) seems to suggest the complete opposite. The coalition government has borrowed more money than Labour managed during its entire 13 year tenure. For those with short memories, that money was spent on hospitals, schools, programmes like Sure Start, imperialistic wars of aggression and saving the world financial system. I can't say I subscribe to or agree with all of those line items, but superficially at least, it seems like Labour have got more bang for their buck than the economically competent Conservatives. What the ***k have they spent all that money on?[/p][/quote]Spending more on hospitals isn't the same as doing any good with that spending. Mid Staffs happened on Labour's watch as did massively bloating bureaucracy in the public sector. People who had never worked but were fully capable, had no upper limit on the benefits they could claim. Mandelson himself admitted 'handing out passports freehand'. All of this was paid for by raising virtually every tax paid by working people. Council Tax doubled, stamp duty, income tax, NI, every indirect tax you can name and in a period of 'growth'? You might call that bang-for-buck, I don't. As for attacking countries with no reason, yes that too although I admit that no party came out of that particular debate well.[/p][/quote]What the ***k have the Tories they spent all that money on?[/p][/quote]Interest on what Labour borrowed?[/p][/quote]What you really mean is The amount of U-turns by the Tories where they spend money to change the system, then realise it won't work is incredible so lets blame Labour! Vote Tory for more pain[/p][/quote]The Tories were hogtied when they took office. Labour massively increased the non-productive public sector pay bill (like devolution) in order to try and buy votes. That coupled with a Europe wide recession. Are you ignoring the memo left by Liam Byrne? 'All the money's gone'. The question is, where did that vast increase of hundreds of billions in tax hikes go?[/p][/quote]Tories in pledge to cut waste,dont make me laugh. For a govt that has come in claiming to try and save money, how much have they wasted? Incalculable U-turn after U-turns. I guess you can go back to believing that UKIP are better than anyone else again for the rest of the day or that Brown caused the worldwide ressession. Dream on.[/p][/quote]Labour always leave power when they have run out of other people's money. Are you trying to suggest that Labour didn't do U-turns? Waste billions? Stevenboy
  • Score: -22

7:05pm Fri 30 May 14

Bobevans says...

pwlldu wrote:
UKIP done well with no published policies, as they are under review. Like abolish the NHS and a flat tax rate, so the poor would pay the same % as the rich.
UKIP has no policy of abolishing the NHS and never has had one. It is considering a move to a much simplified tax and allowances system

The full UKIP UK 2015 Manifesto will be released at its party conference in September. UKIP will also stick to their manifesto unlike some other parties

I think you will find also the other parties have no current published manifesto not that they will be worth anything when they do. Both Clegg & Cameron have reneged on their manifesto

They were promising to deliver legislation to allow the electorate to recall their MP. That one quickly got swept under the carpet
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: UKIP done well with no published policies, as they are under review. Like abolish the NHS and a flat tax rate, so the poor would pay the same % as the rich.[/p][/quote]UKIP has no policy of abolishing the NHS and never has had one. It is considering a move to a much simplified tax and allowances system The full UKIP UK 2015 Manifesto will be released at its party conference in September. UKIP will also stick to their manifesto unlike some other parties I think you will find also the other parties have no current published manifesto not that they will be worth anything when they do. Both Clegg & Cameron have reneged on their manifesto They were promising to deliver legislation to allow the electorate to recall their MP. That one quickly got swept under the carpet Bobevans
  • Score: -27

9:14pm Fri 30 May 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Bobevans wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
On a disastrous night for Nick Griffin – who lost his seat in the European Parliament – the BNP’s leader took the time to explain his defeat by saying that people had voted for “Ukip’s racist policies instead”.

With the BNP’s vote shrinking from 6.13% for the North West in 2009 to just 1.87% last night, the former MEP took the time to explain to Sky News how his party was different from Nigel Farage’s Ukip.

“I've lost count of the number I've spoken to who people say, 'We really like the BNP but we are voting Ukip because there is more chance they will stop immigration and send them all home'. As there is not a hope in hell of that, people are going to be very disappointed when they find out what Ukip really stands for and that huge vote is going to come back to us.”

Mr Griffin, who was declared bankrupt in January, responded to questions of what he would do next by saying: "Well unfortunately for the British taxpayer, outgoing MEPs still get paid for another six months."
UKIP specifically bans BNP and ex BNP members and takes the strongest action against any UKIP members that bring the party into disrepute

UKIP has no racist policies and would not support such policies.

UKIP has 24 MEP's of which three are of ethnic origin and one is Gay so that tends to shot down many of the slurs made against UKIP
Thats right , UKIP does not want any extremists or people with racist and unpleasant views - they have more than enough already .
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: On a disastrous night for Nick Griffin – who lost his seat in the European Parliament – the BNP’s leader took the time to explain his defeat by saying that people had voted for “Ukip’s racist policies instead”. With the BNP’s vote shrinking from 6.13% for the North West in 2009 to just 1.87% last night, the former MEP took the time to explain to Sky News how his party was different from Nigel Farage’s Ukip. “I've lost count of the number I've spoken to who people say, 'We really like the BNP but we are voting Ukip because there is more chance they will stop immigration and send them all home'. As there is not a hope in hell of that, people are going to be very disappointed when they find out what Ukip really stands for and that huge vote is going to come back to us.” Mr Griffin, who was declared bankrupt in January, responded to questions of what he would do next by saying: "Well unfortunately for the British taxpayer, outgoing MEPs still get paid for another six months."[/p][/quote]UKIP specifically bans BNP and ex BNP members and takes the strongest action against any UKIP members that bring the party into disrepute UKIP has no racist policies and would not support such policies. UKIP has 24 MEP's of which three are of ethnic origin and one is Gay so that tends to shot down many of the slurs made against UKIP[/p][/quote]Thats right , UKIP does not want any extremists or people with racist and unpleasant views - they have more than enough already . BobEvams2014
  • Score: -16

9:47pm Fri 30 May 14

welshmen says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
On a disastrous night for Nick Griffin – who lost his seat in the European Parliament – the BNP’s leader took the time to explain his defeat by saying that people had voted for “Ukip’s racist policies instead”.

With the BNP’s vote shrinking from 6.13% for the North West in 2009 to just 1.87% last night, the former MEP took the time to explain to Sky News how his party was different from Nigel Farage’s Ukip.

“I've lost count of the number I've spoken to who people say, 'We really like the BNP but we are voting Ukip because there is more chance they will stop immigration and send them all home'. As there is not a hope in hell of that, people are going to be very disappointed when they find out what Ukip really stands for and that huge vote is going to come back to us.”

Mr Griffin, who was declared bankrupt in January, responded to questions of what he would do next by saying: "Well unfortunately for the British taxpayer, outgoing MEPs still get paid for another six months."
UKIP specifically bans BNP and ex BNP members and takes the strongest action against any UKIP members that bring the party into disrepute

UKIP has no racist policies and would not support such policies.

UKIP has 24 MEP's of which three are of ethnic origin and one is Gay so that tends to shot down many of the slurs made against UKIP
Thats right , UKIP does not want any extremists or people with racist and unpleasant views - they have more than enough already .
Racist a word made up by Leon Trotsky in 1927, the word was used to browbeat all dissenters of the Communist Ideology, still used in the West to shut down non-conformists....
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: On a disastrous night for Nick Griffin – who lost his seat in the European Parliament – the BNP’s leader took the time to explain his defeat by saying that people had voted for “Ukip’s racist policies instead”. With the BNP’s vote shrinking from 6.13% for the North West in 2009 to just 1.87% last night, the former MEP took the time to explain to Sky News how his party was different from Nigel Farage’s Ukip. “I've lost count of the number I've spoken to who people say, 'We really like the BNP but we are voting Ukip because there is more chance they will stop immigration and send them all home'. As there is not a hope in hell of that, people are going to be very disappointed when they find out what Ukip really stands for and that huge vote is going to come back to us.” Mr Griffin, who was declared bankrupt in January, responded to questions of what he would do next by saying: "Well unfortunately for the British taxpayer, outgoing MEPs still get paid for another six months."[/p][/quote]UKIP specifically bans BNP and ex BNP members and takes the strongest action against any UKIP members that bring the party into disrepute UKIP has no racist policies and would not support such policies. UKIP has 24 MEP's of which three are of ethnic origin and one is Gay so that tends to shot down many of the slurs made against UKIP[/p][/quote]Thats right , UKIP does not want any extremists or people with racist and unpleasant views - they have more than enough already .[/p][/quote]Racist a word made up by Leon Trotsky in 1927, the word was used to browbeat all dissenters of the Communist Ideology, still used in the West to shut down non-conformists.... welshmen
  • Score: -23

11:31pm Fri 30 May 14

-trigg- says...

helper7 wrote:
Economic figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that the coalition has borrowed £430.072 billion, whereas the last Labour government managed to borrow just £429.975 billion.
Thats in Osbourns fist three years as Chancellor, more than Labour did in thirteen.

The true cost of the Tories
Its shocking enough that Labour had to borrow anything at all during the period of economic prosperity bequeathed to them bythe previous tory administration, and this despite also selling off the UK's gold reserves.

The country should have been running at a surplus throughout these years, saving money for the inevitable rainy day. However, too many politicians believed Brown's "no more boom and bust" and spent all the money that the country had, plus a further £430b that we didn't.
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: Economic figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that the coalition has borrowed £430.072 billion, whereas the last Labour government managed to borrow just £429.975 billion. Thats in Osbourns fist three years as Chancellor, more than Labour did in thirteen. The true cost of the Tories[/p][/quote]Its shocking enough that Labour had to borrow anything at all during the period of economic prosperity bequeathed to them bythe previous tory administration, and this despite also selling off the UK's gold reserves. The country should have been running at a surplus throughout these years, saving money for the inevitable rainy day. However, too many politicians believed Brown's "no more boom and bust" and spent all the money that the country had, plus a further £430b that we didn't. -trigg-
  • Score: -23

5:44am Sat 31 May 14

Newport Spark says...

helper7 wrote:
throwy1 wrote:
Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment
Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote?
Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.
Actually I am not interested in the 65% that didn't vote.If they can't be bothered to vote then I'm not interested,At the end of the day UKIP were the most popular out of the people who did bother to take the time out to vote.
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: Fooled? Not in the least UKIP seems to be the best answer to the problems in this country at the moment[/p][/quote]Anyone interested in the thoughts of the majority of British people (65%) who didn't bother to vote? Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags.[/p][/quote]Actually I am not interested in the 65% that didn't vote.If they can't be bothered to vote then I'm not interested,At the end of the day UKIP were the most popular out of the people who did bother to take the time out to vote. Newport Spark
  • Score: -4

12:10pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

"Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags"
The BBC mindset remains left of centre and newspapers on the Conservative side continue to support the Conservative Party. In the meantime Miliband is sure that you're far too stupid to understand the issues relating to BREXIT, which is why he's denying you a referendum. I believe that's what his brand of North London Marxism considers to be the democratic position.
"Looks like the only place where UKIP have managed to take overall control is the BBC and Tory rags" The BBC mindset remains left of centre and newspapers on the Conservative side continue to support the Conservative Party. In the meantime Miliband is sure that you're far too stupid to understand the issues relating to BREXIT, which is why he's denying you a referendum. I believe that's what his brand of North London Marxism considers to be the democratic position. Dai Rear
  • Score: -13

2:05pm Sun 1 Jun 14

BobEvams2014 says...

welshmen wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
On a disastrous night for Nick Griffin – who lost his seat in the European Parliament – the BNP’s leader took the time to explain his defeat by saying that people had voted for “Ukip’s racist policies instead”.

With the BNP’s vote shrinking from 6.13% for the North West in 2009 to just 1.87% last night, the former MEP took the time to explain to Sky News how his party was different from Nigel Farage’s Ukip.

“I've lost count of the number I've spoken to who people say, 'We really like the BNP but we are voting Ukip because there is more chance they will stop immigration and send them all home'. As there is not a hope in hell of that, people are going to be very disappointed when they find out what Ukip really stands for and that huge vote is going to come back to us.”

Mr Griffin, who was declared bankrupt in January, responded to questions of what he would do next by saying: "Well unfortunately for the British taxpayer, outgoing MEPs still get paid for another six months."
UKIP specifically bans BNP and ex BNP members and takes the strongest action against any UKIP members that bring the party into disrepute

UKIP has no racist policies and would not support such policies.

UKIP has 24 MEP's of which three are of ethnic origin and one is Gay so that tends to shot down many of the slurs made against UKIP
Thats right , UKIP does not want any extremists or people with racist and unpleasant views - they have more than enough already .
Racist a word made up by Leon Trotsky in 1927, the word was used to browbeat all dissenters of the Communist Ideology, still used in the West to shut down non-conformists....
Yes UKIP has no canditdates wit extreme views at all - Roger Helmer UKIP candidate for Newark says the NHS should try to 'turn' gay people straight and the Catholic church is 'systematically paedophile' - however the Pope is nice. He adds immigrants should be deported if they've decided they 'can't stand the weather' and 'would like to go back to Pakistan but can't afford to go'.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: On a disastrous night for Nick Griffin – who lost his seat in the European Parliament – the BNP’s leader took the time to explain his defeat by saying that people had voted for “Ukip’s racist policies instead”. With the BNP’s vote shrinking from 6.13% for the North West in 2009 to just 1.87% last night, the former MEP took the time to explain to Sky News how his party was different from Nigel Farage’s Ukip. “I've lost count of the number I've spoken to who people say, 'We really like the BNP but we are voting Ukip because there is more chance they will stop immigration and send them all home'. As there is not a hope in hell of that, people are going to be very disappointed when they find out what Ukip really stands for and that huge vote is going to come back to us.” Mr Griffin, who was declared bankrupt in January, responded to questions of what he would do next by saying: "Well unfortunately for the British taxpayer, outgoing MEPs still get paid for another six months."[/p][/quote]UKIP specifically bans BNP and ex BNP members and takes the strongest action against any UKIP members that bring the party into disrepute UKIP has no racist policies and would not support such policies. UKIP has 24 MEP's of which three are of ethnic origin and one is Gay so that tends to shot down many of the slurs made against UKIP[/p][/quote]Thats right , UKIP does not want any extremists or people with racist and unpleasant views - they have more than enough already .[/p][/quote]Racist a word made up by Leon Trotsky in 1927, the word was used to browbeat all dissenters of the Communist Ideology, still used in the West to shut down non-conformists....[/p][/quote]Yes UKIP has no canditdates wit extreme views at all - Roger Helmer UKIP candidate for Newark says the NHS should try to 'turn' gay people straight and the Catholic church is 'systematically paedophile' - however the Pope is nice. He adds immigrants should be deported if they've decided they 'can't stand the weather' and 'would like to go back to Pakistan but can't afford to go'. Seems perfectly reasonable to me BobEvams2014
  • Score: 5

10:29pm Sun 1 Jun 14

landyman3030 says...

I wonder if anybody would care to remind me just how many BILLIONS Mr .Brown removed from the pension funds on how many occasions?
It was the Labour administration who allowed ALL of the blue chip companies to stop putting their part of the money into the company pension funds.
Final salary pension schemes were only draining the pension pots faster than the money was coming in because the companies were allowed to have 'holidays' lasting up to 15 years and it was only the employees contributions going in.
Now we have councils with not enough money to cover pensions, the fire service being told to stay frontline until they are 60 and teachers working to rule across the country at the expense of our children's education because they have to pay more in, work longer hours and take less pension at the end.
I'm behind them all. Stick up for your industry and profession, you are worth it shouldn't be walked over because of dishonest practice of Labour.
I wonder if anybody would care to remind me just how many BILLIONS Mr .Brown removed from the pension funds on how many occasions? It was the Labour administration who allowed ALL of the blue chip companies to stop putting their part of the money into the company pension funds. Final salary pension schemes were only draining the pension pots faster than the money was coming in because the companies were allowed to have 'holidays' lasting up to 15 years and it was only the employees contributions going in. Now we have councils with not enough money to cover pensions, the fire service being told to stay frontline until they are 60 and teachers working to rule across the country at the expense of our children's education because they have to pay more in, work longer hours and take less pension at the end. I'm behind them all. Stick up for your industry and profession, you are worth it shouldn't be walked over because of dishonest practice of Labour. landyman3030
  • Score: -18

10:44pm Sun 1 Jun 14

helper7 says...

landyman3030 wrote:
I wonder if anybody would care to remind me just how many BILLIONS Mr .Brown removed from the pension funds on how many occasions?
It was the Labour administration who allowed ALL of the blue chip companies to stop putting their part of the money into the company pension funds.
Final salary pension schemes were only draining the pension pots faster than the money was coming in because the companies were allowed to have 'holidays' lasting up to 15 years and it was only the employees contributions going in.
Now we have councils with not enough money to cover pensions, the fire service being told to stay frontline until they are 60 and teachers working to rule across the country at the expense of our children's education because they have to pay more in, work longer hours and take less pension at the end.
I'm behind them all. Stick up for your industry and profession, you are worth it shouldn't be walked over because of dishonest practice of Labour.
Nothing like as much as Tesco's tax avoidance!
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: I wonder if anybody would care to remind me just how many BILLIONS Mr .Brown removed from the pension funds on how many occasions? It was the Labour administration who allowed ALL of the blue chip companies to stop putting their part of the money into the company pension funds. Final salary pension schemes were only draining the pension pots faster than the money was coming in because the companies were allowed to have 'holidays' lasting up to 15 years and it was only the employees contributions going in. Now we have councils with not enough money to cover pensions, the fire service being told to stay frontline until they are 60 and teachers working to rule across the country at the expense of our children's education because they have to pay more in, work longer hours and take less pension at the end. I'm behind them all. Stick up for your industry and profession, you are worth it shouldn't be walked over because of dishonest practice of Labour.[/p][/quote]Nothing like as much as Tesco's tax avoidance! helper7
  • Score: 33

10:46pm Sun 1 Jun 14

pwlldu says...

ukip SAID THEY ARE NOT LIKE THE OTHER WESTMINISTER PARTIES. WELL LOOK AT SCOTLAND AND UKIP SHARE THE SAME NO CAMPAIGN PLATFOOM AS THE TORIES, LABOUR AND LIB DEMS. ALL UNIONIST PARTIES. SEEMS TO ME UKIP IS JUST THE SAME AS THE OTHER BRITISH UNIONIST PARTIES.
ukip SAID THEY ARE NOT LIKE THE OTHER WESTMINISTER PARTIES. WELL LOOK AT SCOTLAND AND UKIP SHARE THE SAME NO CAMPAIGN PLATFOOM AS THE TORIES, LABOUR AND LIB DEMS. ALL UNIONIST PARTIES. SEEMS TO ME UKIP IS JUST THE SAME AS THE OTHER BRITISH UNIONIST PARTIES. pwlldu
  • Score: 3

7:26am Mon 2 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

helper7 wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
I wonder if anybody would care to remind me just how many BILLIONS Mr .Brown removed from the pension funds on how many occasions?
It was the Labour administration who allowed ALL of the blue chip companies to stop putting their part of the money into the company pension funds.
Final salary pension schemes were only draining the pension pots faster than the money was coming in because the companies were allowed to have 'holidays' lasting up to 15 years and it was only the employees contributions going in.
Now we have councils with not enough money to cover pensions, the fire service being told to stay frontline until they are 60 and teachers working to rule across the country at the expense of our children's education because they have to pay more in, work longer hours and take less pension at the end.
I'm behind them all. Stick up for your industry and profession, you are worth it shouldn't be walked over because of dishonest practice of Labour.
Nothing like as much as Tesco's tax avoidance!
Not really because Tesco divvies go to pension funds for us pensioners and if you don't believe we can spend our pensions better than Brown or Osborne throwing fistfuls of dosh everywhere, well you'd better cut your throat on your 65th birthday
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: I wonder if anybody would care to remind me just how many BILLIONS Mr .Brown removed from the pension funds on how many occasions? It was the Labour administration who allowed ALL of the blue chip companies to stop putting their part of the money into the company pension funds. Final salary pension schemes were only draining the pension pots faster than the money was coming in because the companies were allowed to have 'holidays' lasting up to 15 years and it was only the employees contributions going in. Now we have councils with not enough money to cover pensions, the fire service being told to stay frontline until they are 60 and teachers working to rule across the country at the expense of our children's education because they have to pay more in, work longer hours and take less pension at the end. I'm behind them all. Stick up for your industry and profession, you are worth it shouldn't be walked over because of dishonest practice of Labour.[/p][/quote]Nothing like as much as Tesco's tax avoidance![/p][/quote]Not really because Tesco divvies go to pension funds for us pensioners and if you don't believe we can spend our pensions better than Brown or Osborne throwing fistfuls of dosh everywhere, well you'd better cut your throat on your 65th birthday Dai Rear
  • Score: -17

9:29am Mon 2 Jun 14

landyman3030 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
helper7 wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
I wonder if anybody would care to remind me just how many BILLIONS Mr .Brown removed from the pension funds on how many occasions?
It was the Labour administration who allowed ALL of the blue chip companies to stop putting their part of the money into the company pension funds.
Final salary pension schemes were only draining the pension pots faster than the money was coming in because the companies were allowed to have 'holidays' lasting up to 15 years and it was only the employees contributions going in.
Now we have councils with not enough money to cover pensions, the fire service being told to stay frontline until they are 60 and teachers working to rule across the country at the expense of our children's education because they have to pay more in, work longer hours and take less pension at the end.
I'm behind them all. Stick up for your industry and profession, you are worth it shouldn't be walked over because of dishonest practice of Labour.
Nothing like as much as Tesco's tax avoidance!
Not really because Tesco divvies go to pension funds for us pensioners and if you don't believe we can spend our pensions better than Brown or Osborne throwing fistfuls of dosh everywhere, well you'd better cut your throat on your 65th birthday
No Dai Rear. Don't cut your throat on your 65th birthday.....cos you'll soon have another 3 -5 years of working in front of you before you can hang it all up.
I also find it hysterical that i can state the facts about the Great Pension Robbery that was entirely Labours doing and i can get 15 dislikes in under 12 hours.
Labour supporters who refuse to admit when their own workers party put the knife in the back of the majority of the UK and then stood on the neck for good measure.
Traitors one and all.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: I wonder if anybody would care to remind me just how many BILLIONS Mr .Brown removed from the pension funds on how many occasions? It was the Labour administration who allowed ALL of the blue chip companies to stop putting their part of the money into the company pension funds. Final salary pension schemes were only draining the pension pots faster than the money was coming in because the companies were allowed to have 'holidays' lasting up to 15 years and it was only the employees contributions going in. Now we have councils with not enough money to cover pensions, the fire service being told to stay frontline until they are 60 and teachers working to rule across the country at the expense of our children's education because they have to pay more in, work longer hours and take less pension at the end. I'm behind them all. Stick up for your industry and profession, you are worth it shouldn't be walked over because of dishonest practice of Labour.[/p][/quote]Nothing like as much as Tesco's tax avoidance![/p][/quote]Not really because Tesco divvies go to pension funds for us pensioners and if you don't believe we can spend our pensions better than Brown or Osborne throwing fistfuls of dosh everywhere, well you'd better cut your throat on your 65th birthday[/p][/quote]No Dai Rear. Don't cut your throat on your 65th birthday.....cos you'll soon have another 3 -5 years of working in front of you before you can hang it all up. I also find it hysterical that i can state the facts about the Great Pension Robbery that was entirely Labours doing and i can get 15 dislikes in under 12 hours. Labour supporters who refuse to admit when their own workers party put the knife in the back of the majority of the UK and then stood on the neck for good measure. Traitors one and all. landyman3030
  • Score: 2

9:33am Mon 2 Jun 14

Mervyn James says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
On a disastrous night for Nick Griffin – who lost his seat in the European Parliament – the BNP’s leader took the time to explain his defeat by saying that people had voted for “Ukip’s racist policies instead”.

With the BNP’s vote shrinking from 6.13% for the North West in 2009 to just 1.87% last night, the former MEP took the time to explain to Sky News how his party was different from Nigel Farage’s Ukip.

“I've lost count of the number I've spoken to who people say, 'We really like the BNP but we are voting Ukip because there is more chance they will stop immigration and send them all home'. As there is not a hope in hell of that, people are going to be very disappointed when they find out what Ukip really stands for and that huge vote is going to come back to us.”

Mr Griffin, who was declared bankrupt in January, responded to questions of what he would do next by saying: "Well unfortunately for the British taxpayer, outgoing MEPs still get paid for another six months."
UKIP specifically bans BNP and ex BNP members and takes the strongest action against any UKIP members that bring the party into disrepute

UKIP has no racist policies and would not support such policies.

UKIP has 24 MEP's of which three are of ethnic origin and one is Gay so that tends to shot down many of the slurs made against UKIP
Thats right , UKIP does not want any extremists or people with racist and unpleasant views - they have more than enough already .
Racist a word made up by Leon Trotsky in 1927, the word was used to browbeat all dissenters of the Communist Ideology, still used in the West to shut down non-conformists....
Yes UKIP has no canditdates wit extreme views at all - Roger Helmer UKIP candidate for Newark says the NHS should try to 'turn' gay people straight and the Catholic church is 'systematically paedophile' - however the Pope is nice. He adds immigrants should be deported if they've decided they 'can't stand the weather' and 'would like to go back to Pakistan but can't afford to go'.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me
He's right about the Catholic church and the Pope isn't a nice bloke, he protected the Bishops who turned a blind eye to it all. The Church in the USA abused 140 deaf children in one school, and 43 within half a mile of the Vatican.. OK the UKIP has its extremes, the BNP was always extreme, the bi-party system doesn't ? Probably too busy ripping us all off. If nothing else the UKIP might put an end to the two-party systems and the pathetic hangers on in the coalition of the 3rd worst alternatives. If we had a democracy the UKIP would have come second in Wales for Europe. We don't live in a democracy, even the first past the post system is suss, as population centres are all in England. If people want repatriating,why not assist them ? if it is their choice ? The issue is we cannot repatriate the migrants we want to, those from Europe, not Pakistan. We see the silliness of it all, where highly qualified Asians want to come here but cannot, and the UK allowing 1,000s of time wasters from Europe instead. Cameron has indeed come down on areas outside Europe, but that isn't where the problem is coming from.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: On a disastrous night for Nick Griffin – who lost his seat in the European Parliament – the BNP’s leader took the time to explain his defeat by saying that people had voted for “Ukip’s racist policies instead”. With the BNP’s vote shrinking from 6.13% for the North West in 2009 to just 1.87% last night, the former MEP took the time to explain to Sky News how his party was different from Nigel Farage’s Ukip. “I've lost count of the number I've spoken to who people say, 'We really like the BNP but we are voting Ukip because there is more chance they will stop immigration and send them all home'. As there is not a hope in hell of that, people are going to be very disappointed when they find out what Ukip really stands for and that huge vote is going to come back to us.” Mr Griffin, who was declared bankrupt in January, responded to questions of what he would do next by saying: "Well unfortunately for the British taxpayer, outgoing MEPs still get paid for another six months."[/p][/quote]UKIP specifically bans BNP and ex BNP members and takes the strongest action against any UKIP members that bring the party into disrepute UKIP has no racist policies and would not support such policies. UKIP has 24 MEP's of which three are of ethnic origin and one is Gay so that tends to shot down many of the slurs made against UKIP[/p][/quote]Thats right , UKIP does not want any extremists or people with racist and unpleasant views - they have more than enough already .[/p][/quote]Racist a word made up by Leon Trotsky in 1927, the word was used to browbeat all dissenters of the Communist Ideology, still used in the West to shut down non-conformists....[/p][/quote]Yes UKIP has no canditdates wit extreme views at all - Roger Helmer UKIP candidate for Newark says the NHS should try to 'turn' gay people straight and the Catholic church is 'systematically paedophile' - however the Pope is nice. He adds immigrants should be deported if they've decided they 'can't stand the weather' and 'would like to go back to Pakistan but can't afford to go'. Seems perfectly reasonable to me[/p][/quote]He's right about the Catholic church and the Pope isn't a nice bloke, he protected the Bishops who turned a blind eye to it all. The Church in the USA abused 140 deaf children in one school, and 43 within half a mile of the Vatican.. OK the UKIP has its extremes, the BNP was always extreme, the bi-party system doesn't ? Probably too busy ripping us all off. If nothing else the UKIP might put an end to the two-party systems and the pathetic hangers on in the coalition of the 3rd worst alternatives. If we had a democracy the UKIP would have come second in Wales for Europe. We don't live in a democracy, even the first past the post system is suss, as population centres are all in England. If people want repatriating,why not assist them ? if it is their choice ? The issue is we cannot repatriate the migrants we want to, those from Europe, not Pakistan. We see the silliness of it all, where highly qualified Asians want to come here but cannot, and the UK allowing 1,000s of time wasters from Europe instead. Cameron has indeed come down on areas outside Europe, but that isn't where the problem is coming from. Mervyn James
  • Score: 3

2:16pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Independentvoter says...

Just a thought - If ukip are saying that immigrants are taking all the businesses away from us British then why are there so many empty shops up town ???
Just a thought - If ukip are saying that immigrants are taking all the businesses away from us British then why are there so many empty shops up town ??? Independentvoter
  • Score: 10

3:52pm Mon 2 Jun 14

landyman3030 says...

Independentvoter wrote:
Just a thought - If ukip are saying that immigrants are taking all the businesses away from us British then why are there so many empty shops up town ???
I must have missed the UKIP statement saying immigrants take away businesses. I definitely heard the one stating that mass immigration has led to a massive stagnation of wages due to a concentration of cheap immigrant labour. This is in direct line with why we have such high levels of youth unemployment which leads directly to unprecedented levels of anti social behaviour, crime and drug culture over the entire country.
Idle hands and all that.....
I think you will find that the reason there are so many empty shops in our town centres because of the sprouting of out of town shopping centres allowed to mushroom and positively encouraged by our councils. Even when the planning departments have stipulated against such developments, many are overturned by our beloved WAG. Bless em.
Who also, by the way, set the inflated completely unrealistic levels of business rates which our councils have to enforce on our shop owners.
Shall we mention the parking charges in town centres across Wales. Free out of town. ( and Cwmbran ).
Maybe it's got something to do with the obsession that the UK public have with supermarkets who stock most things these days.
Mind you they can afford to because they have such huge buying power they can dictate the price they pay to the supplier.
And their wage bill is going down because with zero hours contracts they can keep their workforce off until they are needed making them wait hours for a phone call to see if they are working today. Oh, and you can't work for anybody else whilst your signed up with us.
No, it's definitely the immigrants fault. It must be. It said so in the paper. I just haven't heard it come from UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: Just a thought - If ukip are saying that immigrants are taking all the businesses away from us British then why are there so many empty shops up town ???[/p][/quote]I must have missed the UKIP statement saying immigrants take away businesses. I definitely heard the one stating that mass immigration has led to a massive stagnation of wages due to a concentration of cheap immigrant labour. This is in direct line with why we have such high levels of youth unemployment which leads directly to unprecedented levels of anti social behaviour, crime and drug culture over the entire country. Idle hands and all that..... I think you will find that the reason there are so many empty shops in our town centres because of the sprouting of out of town shopping centres allowed to mushroom and positively encouraged by our councils. Even when the planning departments have stipulated against such developments, many are overturned by our beloved WAG. Bless em. Who also, by the way, set the inflated completely unrealistic levels of business rates which our councils have to enforce on our shop owners. Shall we mention the parking charges in town centres across Wales. Free out of town. ( and Cwmbran ). Maybe it's got something to do with the obsession that the UK public have with supermarkets who stock most things these days. Mind you they can afford to because they have such huge buying power they can dictate the price they pay to the supplier. And their wage bill is going down because with zero hours contracts they can keep their workforce off until they are needed making them wait hours for a phone call to see if they are working today. Oh, and you can't work for anybody else whilst your signed up with us. No, it's definitely the immigrants fault. It must be. It said so in the paper. I just haven't heard it come from UKIP. landyman3030
  • Score: -7

5:34pm Mon 2 Jun 14

helper7 says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
helper7 wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
I wonder if anybody would care to remind me just how many BILLIONS Mr .Brown removed from the pension funds on how many occasions?
It was the Labour administration who allowed ALL of the blue chip companies to stop putting their part of the money into the company pension funds.
Final salary pension schemes were only draining the pension pots faster than the money was coming in because the companies were allowed to have 'holidays' lasting up to 15 years and it was only the employees contributions going in.
Now we have councils with not enough money to cover pensions, the fire service being told to stay frontline until they are 60 and teachers working to rule across the country at the expense of our children's education because they have to pay more in, work longer hours and take less pension at the end.
I'm behind them all. Stick up for your industry and profession, you are worth it shouldn't be walked over because of dishonest practice of Labour.
Nothing like as much as Tesco's tax avoidance!
Not really because Tesco divvies go to pension funds for us pensioners and if you don't believe we can spend our pensions better than Brown or Osborne throwing fistfuls of dosh everywhere, well you'd better cut your throat on your 65th birthday
No Dai Rear. Don't cut your throat on your 65th birthday.....cos you'll soon have another 3 -5 years of working in front of you before you can hang it all up.
I also find it hysterical that i can state the facts about the Great Pension Robbery that was entirely Labours doing and i can get 15 dislikes in under 12 hours.
Labour supporters who refuse to admit when their own workers party put the knife in the back of the majority of the UK and then stood on the neck for good measure.
Traitors one and all.
Or is this just an election myth drummed up by the Tories and Lib Dems?
civil servants worked hard to provide Brown with information on which to make a judgement,including suggestions about how the policy could be implemented.
Many believed the tax system encouraged institutions with funds receiving tax credits to demand companies pay high dividends rather than reinvest more profits.

Conservative Chancellor Norman Lamont cut the credit from 25% to 20% in 1993. He noted the view that the corporation tax system both penalises successful British-owned international companies and distorts investment decisions. It was no great surprise when Gordon Brown removed the tax credit, stating that it cannot be the best way of encouraging investment for the long term. Share prices actually rose 0.45% on the day of the announcement, implying that markets expected the move. uch has happened since.
Shares rose almost 50% to a high in 1999, after which they fell, wiping around £250bn from the market value of occupational pension schemes between 1999 and 2002. Suddenly the risks attached to equities were fully appreciated. Pension funds were hit and some companies that had taken pension holidays could not increase contributions to make up the shortfall, as they were no longer making enough money. Pension liabilities rose as interest rates fell and new calculations assumed life expectancy increased, implying pensions were needed for longer. Pension funds began reducing investment in shares.

Labour responded with a powerful Pensions Regulator and prospective pension reform, along the lines of the Turner Commission on Pensions. No one, not even the Tories, is calling for the return of the dividend tax credit. Conservatives and Libdems are projecting a negative narrative about Gordon Brown. It suggests Brown’s instinct is to tax and spend, to be against the City and business, and to be less than frank about it, we have seen these Tory driven stories in the Tory press many times.
There is another narrative. It is that the economy was in fine shape and growing steadily. The public finances are in general good order and unemployment, government debt, inflation, and interest rates are low. The Chancellor has channelled billions towards the poor and disadvantaged, and to education and health while promoting business and the City. It is a pretty good record, both in terms of the numbers and the priorities. We should think twice before ignoring it for right-wing political agendas.

Tory cuts so far, 20,000 Army, 5,000 Navy, 5,000 RAF, 60,000 NHS, 16,000 Police, 730,000 Public Sector,1,700 Remploy, 0 Bankers
Tories say they were paying down Britain’s debts the UK Statistics Authority points out that the national debt has risen by £300bn.
The greed of Bankers drove the world to financial collapse; not Labour building much needed new schools and hospitals.

We are told that the only way to reduce the deficit is to cut public services. This is certainly not the case. There are alternatives, but the government chooses to ignore them, highlighting the fact that the cuts are based on ideology, not necessity.

One alternative is to clamp down on tax avoidance by corporations and the rich and tax evasion, estimated to cost the state £95bn a year.
But these are the Tory elite and they are getting away with blue murder while joe public is told
“We are all in this together”
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: I wonder if anybody would care to remind me just how many BILLIONS Mr .Brown removed from the pension funds on how many occasions? It was the Labour administration who allowed ALL of the blue chip companies to stop putting their part of the money into the company pension funds. Final salary pension schemes were only draining the pension pots faster than the money was coming in because the companies were allowed to have 'holidays' lasting up to 15 years and it was only the employees contributions going in. Now we have councils with not enough money to cover pensions, the fire service being told to stay frontline until they are 60 and teachers working to rule across the country at the expense of our children's education because they have to pay more in, work longer hours and take less pension at the end. I'm behind them all. Stick up for your industry and profession, you are worth it shouldn't be walked over because of dishonest practice of Labour.[/p][/quote]Nothing like as much as Tesco's tax avoidance![/p][/quote]Not really because Tesco divvies go to pension funds for us pensioners and if you don't believe we can spend our pensions better than Brown or Osborne throwing fistfuls of dosh everywhere, well you'd better cut your throat on your 65th birthday[/p][/quote]No Dai Rear. Don't cut your throat on your 65th birthday.....cos you'll soon have another 3 -5 years of working in front of you before you can hang it all up. I also find it hysterical that i can state the facts about the Great Pension Robbery that was entirely Labours doing and i can get 15 dislikes in under 12 hours. Labour supporters who refuse to admit when their own workers party put the knife in the back of the majority of the UK and then stood on the neck for good measure. Traitors one and all.[/p][/quote]Or is this just an election myth drummed up by the Tories and Lib Dems? civil servants worked hard to provide Brown with information on which to make a judgement,including suggestions about how the policy could be implemented. Many believed the tax system encouraged institutions with funds receiving tax credits to demand companies pay high dividends rather than reinvest more profits. Conservative Chancellor Norman Lamont cut the credit from 25% to 20% in 1993. He noted the view that the corporation tax system both penalises successful British-owned international companies and distorts investment decisions. It was no great surprise when Gordon Brown removed the tax credit, stating that it cannot be the best way of encouraging investment for the long term. Share prices actually rose 0.45% on the day of the announcement, implying that markets expected the move. uch has happened since. Shares rose almost 50% to a high in 1999, after which they fell, wiping around £250bn from the market value of occupational pension schemes between 1999 and 2002. Suddenly the risks attached to equities were fully appreciated. Pension funds were hit and some companies that had taken pension holidays could not increase contributions to make up the shortfall, as they were no longer making enough money. Pension liabilities rose as interest rates fell and new calculations assumed life expectancy increased, implying pensions were needed for longer. Pension funds began reducing investment in shares. Labour responded with a powerful Pensions Regulator and prospective pension reform, along the lines of the Turner Commission on Pensions. No one, not even the Tories, is calling for the return of the dividend tax credit. Conservatives and Libdems are projecting a negative narrative about Gordon Brown. It suggests Brown’s instinct is to tax and spend, to be against the City and business, and to be less than frank about it, we have seen these Tory driven stories in the Tory press many times. There is another narrative. It is that the economy was in fine shape and growing steadily. The public finances are in general good order and unemployment, government debt, inflation, and interest rates are low. The Chancellor has channelled billions towards the poor and disadvantaged, and to education and health while promoting business and the City. It is a pretty good record, both in terms of the numbers and the priorities. We should think twice before ignoring it for right-wing political agendas. Tory cuts so far, 20,000 Army, 5,000 Navy, 5,000 RAF, 60,000 NHS, 16,000 Police, 730,000 Public Sector,1,700 Remploy, 0 Bankers Tories say they were paying down Britain’s debts the UK Statistics Authority points out that the national debt has risen by £300bn. The greed of Bankers drove the world to financial collapse; not Labour building much needed new schools and hospitals. We are told that the only way to reduce the deficit is to cut public services. This is certainly not the case. There are alternatives, but the government chooses to ignore them, highlighting the fact that the cuts are based on ideology, not necessity. One alternative is to clamp down on tax avoidance by corporations and the rich and tax evasion, estimated to cost the state £95bn a year. But these are the Tory elite and they are getting away with blue murder while joe public is told “We are all in this together” helper7
  • Score: 25

5:49pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

Politicians, who say they can spend your money (including your pension) better than you can, are lying. Those who believe them are too good for this world, though 24 hours in Zimbabwe might cause them to reconsider their views.
Politicians, who say they can spend your money (including your pension) better than you can, are lying. Those who believe them are too good for this world, though 24 hours in Zimbabwe might cause them to reconsider their views. Dai Rear
  • Score: -1

6:02pm Mon 2 Jun 14

landyman3030 says...

Is it an election myth that a company can apply for a five year holiday from pension fund investment to carry over a recession or market downturn. Only one holiday is allowed. Several large companies applied for a special licence to extend a second five year term. This is allowed in only special cases by the FSA. Supposed to be as available as rocking horse poo. So how come these large companies were doing this from the start of 1995 and some companies were granted a third holiday as well. That was at a time when Browns no more boom or bust speeches were flowing. The pension fund managers started investing in global markets they had no control over and no experience in. Bankers ruled whilst the FSA by their own admittance did not understand how these investments schemes worked. It was noted and reported but nothing was investigated further. Mr. Brown was in charge of all of the civil servants and FSA.
The risks attached were fully understood almost 100 years ago with Wall Street going south. Risks have been there since trading started
Also, did it suddenly appear overnight that people are living longer?
To say that in a flash it was realised that pensions needed to last longer is weak at the very least. Whoever advised who, the fact remains that Mr. Brown did us down, and down and down because he had his avaricious eyes on the driving seat.
Is it an election myth that a company can apply for a five year holiday from pension fund investment to carry over a recession or market downturn. Only one holiday is allowed. Several large companies applied for a special licence to extend a second five year term. This is allowed in only special cases by the FSA. Supposed to be as available as rocking horse poo. So how come these large companies were doing this from the start of 1995 and some companies were granted a third holiday as well. That was at a time when Browns no more boom or bust speeches were flowing. The pension fund managers started investing in global markets they had no control over and no experience in. Bankers ruled whilst the FSA by their own admittance did not understand how these investments schemes worked. It was noted and reported but nothing was investigated further. Mr. Brown was in charge of all of the civil servants and FSA. The risks attached were fully understood almost 100 years ago with Wall Street going south. Risks have been there since trading started Also, did it suddenly appear overnight that people are living longer? To say that in a flash it was realised that pensions needed to last longer is weak at the very least. Whoever advised who, the fact remains that Mr. Brown did us down, and down and down because he had his avaricious eyes on the driving seat. landyman3030
  • Score: -7

7:32pm Mon 2 Jun 14

MajorCrimes says...

you all seem very deluded as if it matters what party you vote for, we are being turned into slaves to a system of debt
you all seem very deluded as if it matters what party you vote for, we are being turned into slaves to a system of debt MajorCrimes
  • Score: 2

10:12pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Llanmartinangel says...

helper7 wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
helper7 wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
I wonder if anybody would care to remind me just how many BILLIONS Mr .Brown removed from the pension funds on how many occasions?
It was the Labour administration who allowed ALL of the blue chip companies to stop putting their part of the money into the company pension funds.
Final salary pension schemes were only draining the pension pots faster than the money was coming in because the companies were allowed to have 'holidays' lasting up to 15 years and it was only the employees contributions going in.
Now we have councils with not enough money to cover pensions, the fire service being told to stay frontline until they are 60 and teachers working to rule across the country at the expense of our children's education because they have to pay more in, work longer hours and take less pension at the end.
I'm behind them all. Stick up for your industry and profession, you are worth it shouldn't be walked over because of dishonest practice of Labour.
Nothing like as much as Tesco's tax avoidance!
Not really because Tesco divvies go to pension funds for us pensioners and if you don't believe we can spend our pensions better than Brown or Osborne throwing fistfuls of dosh everywhere, well you'd better cut your throat on your 65th birthday
No Dai Rear. Don't cut your throat on your 65th birthday.....cos you'll soon have another 3 -5 years of working in front of you before you can hang it all up.
I also find it hysterical that i can state the facts about the Great Pension Robbery that was entirely Labours doing and i can get 15 dislikes in under 12 hours.
Labour supporters who refuse to admit when their own workers party put the knife in the back of the majority of the UK and then stood on the neck for good measure.
Traitors one and all.
Or is this just an election myth drummed up by the Tories and Lib Dems?
civil servants worked hard to provide Brown with information on which to make a judgement,including suggestions about how the policy could be implemented.
Many believed the tax system encouraged institutions with funds receiving tax credits to demand companies pay high dividends rather than reinvest more profits.

Conservative Chancellor Norman Lamont cut the credit from 25% to 20% in 1993. He noted the view that the corporation tax system both penalises successful British-owned international companies and distorts investment decisions. It was no great surprise when Gordon Brown removed the tax credit, stating that it cannot be the best way of encouraging investment for the long term. Share prices actually rose 0.45% on the day of the announcement, implying that markets expected the move. uch has happened since.
Shares rose almost 50% to a high in 1999, after which they fell, wiping around £250bn from the market value of occupational pension schemes between 1999 and 2002. Suddenly the risks attached to equities were fully appreciated. Pension funds were hit and some companies that had taken pension holidays could not increase contributions to make up the shortfall, as they were no longer making enough money. Pension liabilities rose as interest rates fell and new calculations assumed life expectancy increased, implying pensions were needed for longer. Pension funds began reducing investment in shares.

Labour responded with a powerful Pensions Regulator and prospective pension reform, along the lines of the Turner Commission on Pensions. No one, not even the Tories, is calling for the return of the dividend tax credit. Conservatives and Libdems are projecting a negative narrative about Gordon Brown. It suggests Brown’s instinct is to tax and spend, to be against the City and business, and to be less than frank about it, we have seen these Tory driven stories in the Tory press many times.
There is another narrative. It is that the economy was in fine shape and growing steadily. The public finances are in general good order and unemployment, government debt, inflation, and interest rates are low. The Chancellor has channelled billions towards the poor and disadvantaged, and to education and health while promoting business and the City. It is a pretty good record, both in terms of the numbers and the priorities. We should think twice before ignoring it for right-wing political agendas.

Tory cuts so far, 20,000 Army, 5,000 Navy, 5,000 RAF, 60,000 NHS, 16,000 Police, 730,000 Public Sector,1,700 Remploy, 0 Bankers
Tories say they were paying down Britain’s debts the UK Statistics Authority points out that the national debt has risen by £300bn.
The greed of Bankers drove the world to financial collapse; not Labour building much needed new schools and hospitals.

We are told that the only way to reduce the deficit is to cut public services. This is certainly not the case. There are alternatives, but the government chooses to ignore them, highlighting the fact that the cuts are based on ideology, not necessity.

One alternative is to clamp down on tax avoidance by corporations and the rich and tax evasion, estimated to cost the state £95bn a year.
But these are the Tory elite and they are getting away with blue murder while joe public is told
“We are all in this together”
I lost interest in this post at the 'civil servants worked hard' phrase. For a start you must learn that, if you are going to manipulate the votes (by deleting cookies), at least have the subtlety not to up-vote yourself (and down-vote those who you disagree with) twenty times in an hour. The only people who would agree with Brown's shameless pension theft, apart from Brown himself, are people who have not been ars*d to earn one and will expect the taxpayer to provide their pension, just like the people who work have paid for the rest of their existence. I'm assuming that includes you.
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: I wonder if anybody would care to remind me just how many BILLIONS Mr .Brown removed from the pension funds on how many occasions? It was the Labour administration who allowed ALL of the blue chip companies to stop putting their part of the money into the company pension funds. Final salary pension schemes were only draining the pension pots faster than the money was coming in because the companies were allowed to have 'holidays' lasting up to 15 years and it was only the employees contributions going in. Now we have councils with not enough money to cover pensions, the fire service being told to stay frontline until they are 60 and teachers working to rule across the country at the expense of our children's education because they have to pay more in, work longer hours and take less pension at the end. I'm behind them all. Stick up for your industry and profession, you are worth it shouldn't be walked over because of dishonest practice of Labour.[/p][/quote]Nothing like as much as Tesco's tax avoidance![/p][/quote]Not really because Tesco divvies go to pension funds for us pensioners and if you don't believe we can spend our pensions better than Brown or Osborne throwing fistfuls of dosh everywhere, well you'd better cut your throat on your 65th birthday[/p][/quote]No Dai Rear. Don't cut your throat on your 65th birthday.....cos you'll soon have another 3 -5 years of working in front of you before you can hang it all up. I also find it hysterical that i can state the facts about the Great Pension Robbery that was entirely Labours doing and i can get 15 dislikes in under 12 hours. Labour supporters who refuse to admit when their own workers party put the knife in the back of the majority of the UK and then stood on the neck for good measure. Traitors one and all.[/p][/quote]Or is this just an election myth drummed up by the Tories and Lib Dems? civil servants worked hard to provide Brown with information on which to make a judgement,including suggestions about how the policy could be implemented. Many believed the tax system encouraged institutions with funds receiving tax credits to demand companies pay high dividends rather than reinvest more profits. Conservative Chancellor Norman Lamont cut the credit from 25% to 20% in 1993. He noted the view that the corporation tax system both penalises successful British-owned international companies and distorts investment decisions. It was no great surprise when Gordon Brown removed the tax credit, stating that it cannot be the best way of encouraging investment for the long term. Share prices actually rose 0.45% on the day of the announcement, implying that markets expected the move. uch has happened since. Shares rose almost 50% to a high in 1999, after which they fell, wiping around £250bn from the market value of occupational pension schemes between 1999 and 2002. Suddenly the risks attached to equities were fully appreciated. Pension funds were hit and some companies that had taken pension holidays could not increase contributions to make up the shortfall, as they were no longer making enough money. Pension liabilities rose as interest rates fell and new calculations assumed life expectancy increased, implying pensions were needed for longer. Pension funds began reducing investment in shares. Labour responded with a powerful Pensions Regulator and prospective pension reform, along the lines of the Turner Commission on Pensions. No one, not even the Tories, is calling for the return of the dividend tax credit. Conservatives and Libdems are projecting a negative narrative about Gordon Brown. It suggests Brown’s instinct is to tax and spend, to be against the City and business, and to be less than frank about it, we have seen these Tory driven stories in the Tory press many times. There is another narrative. It is that the economy was in fine shape and growing steadily. The public finances are in general good order and unemployment, government debt, inflation, and interest rates are low. The Chancellor has channelled billions towards the poor and disadvantaged, and to education and health while promoting business and the City. It is a pretty good record, both in terms of the numbers and the priorities. We should think twice before ignoring it for right-wing political agendas. Tory cuts so far, 20,000 Army, 5,000 Navy, 5,000 RAF, 60,000 NHS, 16,000 Police, 730,000 Public Sector,1,700 Remploy, 0 Bankers Tories say they were paying down Britain’s debts the UK Statistics Authority points out that the national debt has risen by £300bn. The greed of Bankers drove the world to financial collapse; not Labour building much needed new schools and hospitals. We are told that the only way to reduce the deficit is to cut public services. This is certainly not the case. There are alternatives, but the government chooses to ignore them, highlighting the fact that the cuts are based on ideology, not necessity. One alternative is to clamp down on tax avoidance by corporations and the rich and tax evasion, estimated to cost the state £95bn a year. But these are the Tory elite and they are getting away with blue murder while joe public is told “We are all in this together”[/p][/quote]I lost interest in this post at the 'civil servants worked hard' phrase. For a start you must learn that, if you are going to manipulate the votes (by deleting cookies), at least have the subtlety not to up-vote yourself (and down-vote those who you disagree with) twenty times in an hour. The only people who would agree with Brown's shameless pension theft, apart from Brown himself, are people who have not been ars*d to earn one and will expect the taxpayer to provide their pension, just like the people who work have paid for the rest of their existence. I'm assuming that includes you. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 2

7:39am Tue 3 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

"One alternative is to clamp down on tax avoidance by corporations and the rich and tax evasion, estimated to cost the state £95bn a year."
And the best way to achieve this would be the Albanian solution. Yes, there are those of us old enough to remember holidays in Corfu when the captain of the caique pointed out the scatter guns, minefields and machine gun towers on the Albanian coast which deterred the population from escaping and avoiding tax. More up to date-the legacy of Mao's glorious Revolution , 3 die in open sewer trying to retrieve mobile phone. For "open sewer" read your beloved socialism. I suppose the only advantage of the State being as all powerful as you'd love it to be is that immigration would stop, just in the same way that there's not been an influx into Moldova.
"One alternative is to clamp down on tax avoidance by corporations and the rich and tax evasion, estimated to cost the state £95bn a year." And the best way to achieve this would be the Albanian solution. Yes, there are those of us old enough to remember holidays in Corfu when the captain of the caique pointed out the scatter guns, minefields and machine gun towers on the Albanian coast which deterred the population from escaping and avoiding tax. More up to date-the legacy of Mao's glorious Revolution , 3 die in open sewer trying to retrieve mobile phone. For "open sewer" read your beloved socialism. I suppose the only advantage of the State being as all powerful as you'd love it to be is that immigration would stop, just in the same way that there's not been an influx into Moldova. Dai Rear
  • Score: -7

8:03am Tue 3 Jun 14

Mervyn James says...

If you watched C5 last night *(OK only under duress most of us !), we saw an Indian illegal migrant here for near 20 years, had been arrested no end of times, demanded he wanted to be repatriated and is still here because his own government don't want him back. He wanders the streets shoplifting to eat and sleeps in a graveyard, when not in Jail, then we saw the illegals in France lorry-hopping and being helped when they managed to get into the UK, and there are 1,000s queuing up in to follow. Lorry drivers are fined if they fail to spot the buggers under the lorry tot he tune of £1,000s for every one that succeeds in their being missed. IT is clear France is doing next to nothing to stop them heading here too. It's one less there,or is it, two young boys of 15 had managed to get to the UK jumping on a lorry from Afghanistan, which means they traveled through dozens of countries first to get to France. Europe is a complete shambles and has no way of preventing these people who keep coming, a lot is down to the freedom of movement laws in Europe,if they stopped that it would prevent a lof of illegals ending up here,which they are not supposed to be able to do if, the Europeans obeyed their own law which states "Illegal migrants should be turned back at FIRST port of Call.." then they wouldn't get to France most of them. I have sympathy with countries bordering the med, these countries need a few european navies to patrol the African coastlines etc to turn back the boats heading across. They should be picked up and put straight back on North African soil where they come from , and NOT allowed to land in Europe, because once there, that's it, there are armies of human rights lawyers making themselves millionaires looking after them !.
If you watched C5 last night *(OK only under duress most of us !), we saw an Indian illegal migrant here for near 20 years, had been arrested no end of times, demanded he wanted to be repatriated and is still here because his own government don't want him back. He wanders the streets shoplifting to eat and sleeps in a graveyard, when not in Jail, then we saw the illegals in France lorry-hopping and being helped when they managed to get into the UK, and there are 1,000s queuing up in to follow. Lorry drivers are fined if they fail to spot the buggers under the lorry tot he tune of £1,000s for every one that succeeds in their being missed. IT is clear France is doing next to nothing to stop them heading here too. It's one less there,or is it, two young boys of 15 had managed to get to the UK jumping on a lorry from Afghanistan, which means they traveled through dozens of countries first to get to France. Europe is a complete shambles and has no way of preventing these people who keep coming, a lot is down to the freedom of movement laws in Europe,if they stopped that it would prevent a lof of illegals ending up here,which they are not supposed to be able to do if, the Europeans obeyed their own law which states "Illegal migrants should be turned back at FIRST port of Call.." then they wouldn't get to France most of them. I have sympathy with countries bordering the med, these countries need a few european navies to patrol the African coastlines etc to turn back the boats heading across. They should be picked up and put straight back on North African soil where they come from , and NOT allowed to land in Europe, because once there, that's it, there are armies of human rights lawyers making themselves millionaires looking after them !. Mervyn James
  • Score: 7

9:04am Tue 3 Jun 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
If you watched C5 last night *(OK only under duress most of us !), we saw an Indian illegal migrant here for near 20 years, had been arrested no end of times, demanded he wanted to be repatriated and is still here because his own government don't want him back. He wanders the streets shoplifting to eat and sleeps in a graveyard, when not in Jail, then we saw the illegals in France lorry-hopping and being helped when they managed to get into the UK, and there are 1,000s queuing up in to follow. Lorry drivers are fined if they fail to spot the buggers under the lorry tot he tune of £1,000s for every one that succeeds in their being missed. IT is clear France is doing next to nothing to stop them heading here too. It's one less there,or is it, two young boys of 15 had managed to get to the UK jumping on a lorry from Afghanistan, which means they traveled through dozens of countries first to get to France. Europe is a complete shambles and has no way of preventing these people who keep coming, a lot is down to the freedom of movement laws in Europe,if they stopped that it would prevent a lof of illegals ending up here,which they are not supposed to be able to do if, the Europeans obeyed their own law which states "Illegal migrants should be turned back at FIRST port of Call.." then they wouldn't get to France most of them. I have sympathy with countries bordering the med, these countries need a few european navies to patrol the African coastlines etc to turn back the boats heading across. They should be picked up and put straight back on North African soil where they come from , and NOT allowed to land in Europe, because once there, that's it, there are armies of human rights lawyers making themselves millionaires looking after them !.
Well said. And THAT'S the real reason for the UKIP vote here and the NF in France. Our career politicians are in total denial.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: If you watched C5 last night *(OK only under duress most of us !), we saw an Indian illegal migrant here for near 20 years, had been arrested no end of times, demanded he wanted to be repatriated and is still here because his own government don't want him back. He wanders the streets shoplifting to eat and sleeps in a graveyard, when not in Jail, then we saw the illegals in France lorry-hopping and being helped when they managed to get into the UK, and there are 1,000s queuing up in to follow. Lorry drivers are fined if they fail to spot the buggers under the lorry tot he tune of £1,000s for every one that succeeds in their being missed. IT is clear France is doing next to nothing to stop them heading here too. It's one less there,or is it, two young boys of 15 had managed to get to the UK jumping on a lorry from Afghanistan, which means they traveled through dozens of countries first to get to France. Europe is a complete shambles and has no way of preventing these people who keep coming, a lot is down to the freedom of movement laws in Europe,if they stopped that it would prevent a lof of illegals ending up here,which they are not supposed to be able to do if, the Europeans obeyed their own law which states "Illegal migrants should be turned back at FIRST port of Call.." then they wouldn't get to France most of them. I have sympathy with countries bordering the med, these countries need a few european navies to patrol the African coastlines etc to turn back the boats heading across. They should be picked up and put straight back on North African soil where they come from , and NOT allowed to land in Europe, because once there, that's it, there are armies of human rights lawyers making themselves millionaires looking after them !.[/p][/quote]Well said. And THAT'S the real reason for the UKIP vote here and the NF in France. Our career politicians are in total denial. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

4:28pm Tue 3 Jun 14

landyman3030 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
If you watched C5 last night *(OK only under duress most of us !), we saw an Indian illegal migrant here for near 20 years, had been arrested no end of times, demanded he wanted to be repatriated and is still here because his own government don't want him back. He wanders the streets shoplifting to eat and sleeps in a graveyard, when not in Jail, then we saw the illegals in France lorry-hopping and being helped when they managed to get into the UK, and there are 1,000s queuing up in to follow. Lorry drivers are fined if they fail to spot the buggers under the lorry tot he tune of £1,000s for every one that succeeds in their being missed. IT is clear France is doing next to nothing to stop them heading here too. It's one less there,or is it, two young boys of 15 had managed to get to the UK jumping on a lorry from Afghanistan, which means they traveled through dozens of countries first to get to France. Europe is a complete shambles and has no way of preventing these people who keep coming, a lot is down to the freedom of movement laws in Europe,if they stopped that it would prevent a lof of illegals ending up here,which they are not supposed to be able to do if, the Europeans obeyed their own law which states "Illegal migrants should be turned back at FIRST port of Call.." then they wouldn't get to France most of them. I have sympathy with countries bordering the med, these countries need a few european navies to patrol the African coastlines etc to turn back the boats heading across. They should be picked up and put straight back on North African soil where they come from , and NOT allowed to land in Europe, because once there, that's it, there are armies of human rights lawyers making themselves millionaires looking after them !.
Well said. And THAT'S the real reason for the UKIP vote here and the NF in France. Our career politicians are in total denial.
Merv, i'm a fan. Nail on the head time. If there were proper border controls in place across Europe with passports and travel visa in place to stop the mass migration of the poor, Europe and the UK would be a very different place. This free movement within the EU is pants.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: If you watched C5 last night *(OK only under duress most of us !), we saw an Indian illegal migrant here for near 20 years, had been arrested no end of times, demanded he wanted to be repatriated and is still here because his own government don't want him back. He wanders the streets shoplifting to eat and sleeps in a graveyard, when not in Jail, then we saw the illegals in France lorry-hopping and being helped when they managed to get into the UK, and there are 1,000s queuing up in to follow. Lorry drivers are fined if they fail to spot the buggers under the lorry tot he tune of £1,000s for every one that succeeds in their being missed. IT is clear France is doing next to nothing to stop them heading here too. It's one less there,or is it, two young boys of 15 had managed to get to the UK jumping on a lorry from Afghanistan, which means they traveled through dozens of countries first to get to France. Europe is a complete shambles and has no way of preventing these people who keep coming, a lot is down to the freedom of movement laws in Europe,if they stopped that it would prevent a lof of illegals ending up here,which they are not supposed to be able to do if, the Europeans obeyed their own law which states "Illegal migrants should be turned back at FIRST port of Call.." then they wouldn't get to France most of them. I have sympathy with countries bordering the med, these countries need a few european navies to patrol the African coastlines etc to turn back the boats heading across. They should be picked up and put straight back on North African soil where they come from , and NOT allowed to land in Europe, because once there, that's it, there are armies of human rights lawyers making themselves millionaires looking after them !.[/p][/quote]Well said. And THAT'S the real reason for the UKIP vote here and the NF in France. Our career politicians are in total denial.[/p][/quote]Merv, i'm a fan. Nail on the head time. If there were proper border controls in place across Europe with passports and travel visa in place to stop the mass migration of the poor, Europe and the UK would be a very different place. This free movement within the EU is pants. landyman3030
  • Score: -1

4:55pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

Do you like the latest pearl from the EU? We should increase taxes to "boost the economy". Why does it put me in mind of the 18th century physician whose cure for syphilis/gout/lumbag
o/ the Black Death was to bleed the patient? My humble suggestion would be to withdraw from the EU. The sum spent by us taxpayers to carry the putrescent Common Agricultural Policy alone would give us a tidy little boost.
Do you like the latest pearl from the EU? We should increase taxes to "boost the economy". Why does it put me in mind of the 18th century physician whose cure for syphilis/gout/lumbag o/ the Black Death was to bleed the patient? My humble suggestion would be to withdraw from the EU. The sum spent by us taxpayers to carry the putrescent Common Agricultural Policy alone would give us a tidy little boost. Dai Rear
  • Score: 3

6:01pm Tue 3 Jun 14

letsgobarbie says...

Fartinangel/
sour grapes or what!
I just spen a few mins specking the cookie thingy? And it didnt work for me and Im well edumakated in comps , how bout you Dai you fancy yourself as the clevercloggs of this board.
Fartinangel/ sour grapes or what! I just spen a few mins specking the cookie thingy? And it didnt work for me and Im well edumakated in comps , how bout you Dai you fancy yourself as the clevercloggs of this board. letsgobarbie
  • Score: 0

6:53pm Tue 3 Jun 14

helper7 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Do you like the latest pearl from the EU? We should increase taxes to "boost the economy". Why does it put me in mind of the 18th century physician whose cure for syphilis/gout/lumbag

o/ the Black Death was to bleed the patient? My humble suggestion would be to withdraw from the EU. The sum spent by us taxpayers to carry the putrescent Common Agricultural Policy alone would give us a tidy little boost.
This is the first time I actually agree!! EU has overstepped the mark in its suggestions, however ER reform is the preferred route rather than out... traitor Clegg agrees and needless to say bandwagon jumping Tories.
Pulling out completely would only draw us nearer to the US who already dictate to much of Europe.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Do you like the latest pearl from the EU? We should increase taxes to "boost the economy". Why does it put me in mind of the 18th century physician whose cure for syphilis/gout/lumbag o/ the Black Death was to bleed the patient? My humble suggestion would be to withdraw from the EU. The sum spent by us taxpayers to carry the putrescent Common Agricultural Policy alone would give us a tidy little boost.[/p][/quote]This is the first time I actually agree!! EU has overstepped the mark in its suggestions, however ER reform is the preferred route rather than out... traitor Clegg agrees and needless to say bandwagon jumping Tories. Pulling out completely would only draw us nearer to the US who already dictate to much of Europe. helper7
  • Score: 3

11:27pm Tue 3 Jun 14

coalpicker says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
helper7 wrote:
The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU.
Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose.
UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU


Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s

Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms.
And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next

The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires.

The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news

Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through?

One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP.


However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.
'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s'

For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.
Only about nineteen percent voted for the assembly and we deserve what we have sown,a total shambles.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: The recent hysteria in voting Ukip is nothing more than a protest at the conservative and Labour politicians and pay back time for Nick Cleggs betrayal and has very little to do with the EU. Unfortunately few realise that the Tories could get in to power for the second time through the back door a very real prospect of a Tory/UKIP coalition could be on the cards and as most Ukippers are disgruntled Tories or lunatics drawn from far right movements then Labour and other socialist party’s have most to loose. UKIP blames poor results in London on their "difficulty in appealing to the educated, cultured and young" well they must think the rest of us Yokels easy to fool. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s Now 5 million British youths will be 'sentenced to a lifetime of poverty’ thanks to welfare reforms. And if you tolerate this, Then your children will be next The Working Class pay for the Banking Crisis, while Tories give themselves £3bn of Tax Cuts for millionaires. The UK is the only G8 Country where the Red Cross provides Emergency Food Aid, Just rejoice at that news Only UKIP will leave the EU and restore border controls...... And then what? Have you really thought this through? One UKIP gloater was so ignorant of what the election meant that he said "the majority of Britain has spoken" as if the majority of the country had gone out and voted for UKIP. However it's also got to be remembered that only 36% of people actually bothered to turn up to vote at all. 64% of the electorate didn't even bother to vote in this election, meaning that if the British people have spoken, they didn't say "I love UKIP they said None of the above.[/p][/quote]'Labour's final year in power saw child poverty at lowest level since 1980s' For the hundreds of £billions the robbing Brown took off working people in 140 tax hikes and gave to immigrants and benefit lifestylers, he could have bought every kid in the UK a Lamborghini.[/p][/quote]Only about nineteen percent voted for the assembly and we deserve what we have sown,a total shambles. coalpicker
  • Score: -1

8:02am Wed 4 Jun 14

Dai Rear says...

helper7 wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Do you like the latest pearl from the EU? We should increase taxes to "boost the economy". Why does it put me in mind of the 18th century physician whose cure for syphilis/gout/lumbag


o/ the Black Death was to bleed the patient? My humble suggestion would be to withdraw from the EU. The sum spent by us taxpayers to carry the putrescent Common Agricultural Policy alone would give us a tidy little boost.
This is the first time I actually agree!! EU has overstepped the mark in its suggestions, however ER reform is the preferred route rather than out... traitor Clegg agrees and needless to say bandwagon jumping Tories.
Pulling out completely would only draw us nearer to the US who already dictate to much of Europe.
I doubt the US dictates the Eurozone economic policy which will not only render Eurozone countries incapable of trade but will also foment revolution amongst disaffected, educated, unemployed, young Spaniards, French and Greeks who will hardly be sympathetic towards Uncle Sam.
[quote][p][bold]helper7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Do you like the latest pearl from the EU? We should increase taxes to "boost the economy". Why does it put me in mind of the 18th century physician whose cure for syphilis/gout/lumbag o/ the Black Death was to bleed the patient? My humble suggestion would be to withdraw from the EU. The sum spent by us taxpayers to carry the putrescent Common Agricultural Policy alone would give us a tidy little boost.[/p][/quote]This is the first time I actually agree!! EU has overstepped the mark in its suggestions, however ER reform is the preferred route rather than out... traitor Clegg agrees and needless to say bandwagon jumping Tories. Pulling out completely would only draw us nearer to the US who already dictate to much of Europe.[/p][/quote]I doubt the US dictates the Eurozone economic policy which will not only render Eurozone countries incapable of trade but will also foment revolution amongst disaffected, educated, unemployed, young Spaniards, French and Greeks who will hardly be sympathetic towards Uncle Sam. Dai Rear
  • Score: -1

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