Poor smokers

RECENTLY in the SW Argus there have been reports of smokers being fined hundreds of pounds for dropping cigarette ends. This is typical of the persecution of smokers; other litter bugs with much worse litter get off with no charge.

Laws such as smokers are not allowed to smoke at a bus stop or in a bus station are further evidence of insane laws persecuting smokers; laws which bring the law into contempt.

The introduction of plain boxes for cigarettes means that fake branded cigarettes can easily break into the market.

Under the trade description act there should be more information on the box and not less information so smokers can choose between the different brands.

All this with excessive taxation including taxes on taxes mean that black market smugglers are taking the trade.

Further to this; the persecution of tobacco users offers little hope for those of us who would like to legalise such substances as cannabis.

Stephen Toomer Chepstow Road Newport

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12:34pm Fri 30 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

I used to smoke and I am probably the worst person to comment on this.
I do think that the fine of £75 for dropping a cigarette on the floor in Newport is extremely excessive to say the least though.
Typical of the criminal justice system in this Country when someone who burgles your house can get less punishment than somebody dropping a fag end.
I used to smoke and I am probably the worst person to comment on this. I do think that the fine of £75 for dropping a cigarette on the floor in Newport is extremely excessive to say the least though. Typical of the criminal justice system in this Country when someone who burgles your house can get less punishment than somebody dropping a fag end. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 10

2:07pm Fri 30 May 14

Caerleonboy says...

Simple solution- don't smoke
Simple solution- don't smoke Caerleonboy
  • Score: 5

2:12pm Fri 30 May 14

Bobevans says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
I used to smoke and I am probably the worst person to comment on this.
I do think that the fine of £75 for dropping a cigarette on the floor in Newport is extremely excessive to say the least though.
Typical of the criminal justice system in this Country when someone who burgles your house can get less punishment than somebody dropping a fag end.
Could it just be that the biggest cause of litter now are smokers who think roads and pavements are litter bins for smokers. I think the fines ought to be £200 and then these smokers might stop it.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: I used to smoke and I am probably the worst person to comment on this. I do think that the fine of £75 for dropping a cigarette on the floor in Newport is extremely excessive to say the least though. Typical of the criminal justice system in this Country when someone who burgles your house can get less punishment than somebody dropping a fag end.[/p][/quote]Could it just be that the biggest cause of litter now are smokers who think roads and pavements are litter bins for smokers. I think the fines ought to be £200 and then these smokers might stop it. Bobevans
  • Score: 3

2:15pm Fri 30 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Bobevans wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
I used to smoke and I am probably the worst person to comment on this.
I do think that the fine of £75 for dropping a cigarette on the floor in Newport is extremely excessive to say the least though.
Typical of the criminal justice system in this Country when someone who burgles your house can get less punishment than somebody dropping a fag end.
Could it just be that the biggest cause of litter now are smokers who think roads and pavements are litter bins for smokers. I think the fines ought to be £200 and then these smokers might stop it.
Agree, as long as offenders in more serious categories are punished appropriately.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: I used to smoke and I am probably the worst person to comment on this. I do think that the fine of £75 for dropping a cigarette on the floor in Newport is extremely excessive to say the least though. Typical of the criminal justice system in this Country when someone who burgles your house can get less punishment than somebody dropping a fag end.[/p][/quote]Could it just be that the biggest cause of litter now are smokers who think roads and pavements are litter bins for smokers. I think the fines ought to be £200 and then these smokers might stop it.[/p][/quote]Agree, as long as offenders in more serious categories are punished appropriately. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 15

2:25pm Fri 30 May 14

-trigg- says...

The easiest way to escape all the persecution (for now at least) is to switch to e-cigs. There's no litter to throw away, so no fines and at the moment you can use them wherever you like.

However, it does seem obscene that smokers are being fined hundreds of pounds for throwing away a cigarette butt, when dog owners allow their pets to foul anywhere with no fear of punishment.
The easiest way to escape all the persecution (for now at least) is to switch to e-cigs. There's no litter to throw away, so no fines and at the moment you can use them wherever you like. However, it does seem obscene that smokers are being fined hundreds of pounds for throwing away a cigarette butt, when dog owners allow their pets to foul anywhere with no fear of punishment. -trigg-
  • Score: 9

2:42pm Fri 30 May 14

pbhj says...

We shouldn't go easy on some litterers just because we're not able to punish all people who litter, or allow their animals to foul the pavements. That's like saying we should let all criminals go free until we've solved all murders - pretty ridiculous.

Many cigarette smokers clearly think littering is OK, fines will demonstrate that the population disagree.

We could however offer a reduced fine to those who complete a smoking cessation course, maybe.

Money from fines should be used to enable the prosecution of those who drop other litter too.
We shouldn't go easy on some litterers just because we're not able to punish all people who litter, or allow their animals to foul the pavements. That's like saying we should let all criminals go free until we've solved all murders - pretty ridiculous. Many cigarette smokers clearly think littering is OK, fines will demonstrate that the population disagree. We could however offer a reduced fine to those who complete a smoking cessation course, maybe. Money from fines should be used to enable the prosecution of those who drop other litter too. pbhj
  • Score: 6

2:51pm Fri 30 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

pbhj wrote:
We shouldn't go easy on some litterers just because we're not able to punish all people who litter, or allow their animals to foul the pavements. That's like saying we should let all criminals go free until we've solved all murders - pretty ridiculous.

Many cigarette smokers clearly think littering is OK, fines will demonstrate that the population disagree.

We could however offer a reduced fine to those who complete a smoking cessation course, maybe.

Money from fines should be used to enable the prosecution of those who drop other litter too.
I like what you are suggesting.
Or even forego the fine altogether if they agree to a cessation course?
But, this seems too much like a common sense idea for it to be implemented by the council.
[quote][p][bold]pbhj[/bold] wrote: We shouldn't go easy on some litterers just because we're not able to punish all people who litter, or allow their animals to foul the pavements. That's like saying we should let all criminals go free until we've solved all murders - pretty ridiculous. Many cigarette smokers clearly think littering is OK, fines will demonstrate that the population disagree. We could however offer a reduced fine to those who complete a smoking cessation course, maybe. Money from fines should be used to enable the prosecution of those who drop other litter too.[/p][/quote]I like what you are suggesting. Or even forego the fine altogether if they agree to a cessation course? But, this seems too much like a common sense idea for it to be implemented by the council. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 1

3:59pm Fri 30 May 14

Llanmartinangel says...

I find the author's concept that one type of litter is less offensive than any other type hilarious. If you throw something on the ground then you shouldn't need telling that it's wrong, you know already. So if you get fined then that's your own look out.
I find the author's concept that one type of litter is less offensive than any other type hilarious. If you throw something on the ground then you shouldn't need telling that it's wrong, you know already. So if you get fined then that's your own look out. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 8

6:55pm Fri 30 May 14

Bobevans says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
I find the author's concept that one type of litter is less offensive than any other type hilarious. If you throw something on the ground then you shouldn't need telling that it's wrong, you know already. So if you get fined then that's your own look out.
Yes the idea that the fine is directly related to the litter is crazy. In some areas such as outside pubs & at bus stops you can find thousands of fag buts. , Another favourite is motorist who clean their cars out and empty the fags into the gutter
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: I find the author's concept that one type of litter is less offensive than any other type hilarious. If you throw something on the ground then you shouldn't need telling that it's wrong, you know already. So if you get fined then that's your own look out.[/p][/quote]Yes the idea that the fine is directly related to the litter is crazy. In some areas such as outside pubs & at bus stops you can find thousands of fag buts. , Another favourite is motorist who clean their cars out and empty the fags into the gutter Bobevans
  • Score: 3

5:45pm Sat 31 May 14

taffymark says...

pbhj wrote:
We shouldn't go easy on some litterers just because we're not able to punish all people who litter, or allow their animals to foul the pavements. That's like saying we should let all criminals go free until we've solved all murders - pretty ridiculous.

Many cigarette smokers clearly think littering is OK, fines will demonstrate that the population disagree.

We could however offer a reduced fine to those who complete a smoking cessation course, maybe.

Money from fines should be used to enable the prosecution of those who drop other litter too.
Laughed my self silly at this comment, who's "WE"? and to compare murderers to smoking litter is pathetic. "WE" could offer a reduced fine for those who complete a smoking cessation course! Give us all a break, should we send all drunks to AA? or here's a good one, any obese person caught disposing food litter on the ground be fined a reduced fine if they attend Weight Watchers or Slimming World! behave and grow up you fool...."the population disagree" so petty a subject.
[quote][p][bold]pbhj[/bold] wrote: We shouldn't go easy on some litterers just because we're not able to punish all people who litter, or allow their animals to foul the pavements. That's like saying we should let all criminals go free until we've solved all murders - pretty ridiculous. Many cigarette smokers clearly think littering is OK, fines will demonstrate that the population disagree. We could however offer a reduced fine to those who complete a smoking cessation course, maybe. Money from fines should be used to enable the prosecution of those who drop other litter too.[/p][/quote]Laughed my self silly at this comment, who's "WE"? and to compare murderers to smoking litter is pathetic. "WE" could offer a reduced fine for those who complete a smoking cessation course! Give us all a break, should we send all drunks to AA? or here's a good one, any obese person caught disposing food litter on the ground be fined a reduced fine if they attend Weight Watchers or Slimming World! behave and grow up you fool...."the population disagree" so petty a subject. taffymark
  • Score: -4

7:54am Mon 2 Jun 14

Bobevans says...

taffymark wrote:
pbhj wrote:
We shouldn't go easy on some litterers just because we're not able to punish all people who litter, or allow their animals to foul the pavements. That's like saying we should let all criminals go free until we've solved all murders - pretty ridiculous.

Many cigarette smokers clearly think littering is OK, fines will demonstrate that the population disagree.

We could however offer a reduced fine to those who complete a smoking cessation course, maybe.

Money from fines should be used to enable the prosecution of those who drop other litter too.
Laughed my self silly at this comment, who's "WE"? and to compare murderers to smoking litter is pathetic. "WE" could offer a reduced fine for those who complete a smoking cessation course! Give us all a break, should we send all drunks to AA? or here's a good one, any obese person caught disposing food litter on the ground be fined a reduced fine if they attend Weight Watchers or Slimming World! behave and grow up you fool...."the population disagree" so petty a subject.
Smokers are treated no differently with regard to litter. It is the same offence , there is no separate offence of dropping smoking litter
[quote][p][bold]taffymark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pbhj[/bold] wrote: We shouldn't go easy on some litterers just because we're not able to punish all people who litter, or allow their animals to foul the pavements. That's like saying we should let all criminals go free until we've solved all murders - pretty ridiculous. Many cigarette smokers clearly think littering is OK, fines will demonstrate that the population disagree. We could however offer a reduced fine to those who complete a smoking cessation course, maybe. Money from fines should be used to enable the prosecution of those who drop other litter too.[/p][/quote]Laughed my self silly at this comment, who's "WE"? and to compare murderers to smoking litter is pathetic. "WE" could offer a reduced fine for those who complete a smoking cessation course! Give us all a break, should we send all drunks to AA? or here's a good one, any obese person caught disposing food litter on the ground be fined a reduced fine if they attend Weight Watchers or Slimming World! behave and grow up you fool...."the population disagree" so petty a subject.[/p][/quote]Smokers are treated no differently with regard to litter. It is the same offence , there is no separate offence of dropping smoking litter Bobevans
  • Score: 2

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