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DEAR Cllr Bob Wellington, under the “Freedom of Information Act” I wonder if you could be so kind to inform me why our informative news sheet “Resistance” (produced by the Anarchist Federation) has been removed from Pontypool library?

The “Socialist Standard” (produced by the Socialist party of Great Britain) has also been removed. As both of these publications are free and cost the council nothing I can only presume this has been a political decision?

I wonder could you please give me the full details? I have been informed a person from Torfaen council came into the library and removed the above stating that it was the council’s policy not to stock “party political” periodicals.

Could you elaborate? What about party political books or part political websites?

Maybe the council has plans to censor these as well? As all of the newspapers in the library are pro-capitalist perhaps you should remove these?

I always thought that in any democracy there should be freedom of speech?

Does Torfaen council favour a totalitarian state?

Terry Banfield Cardigan Crescent Cwmbran

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11:59am Wed 4 Jun 14

-trigg- says...

If you wish to fine a request under the Freedom of Information act, there is a set process for registering a request for information, which doesn't involve writing to a local newspaper about it.

But then, you already knew that, didn't you?
If you wish to fine a request under the Freedom of Information act, there is a set process for registering a request for information, which doesn't involve writing to a local newspaper about it. But then, you already knew that, didn't you? -trigg-
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12:17pm Wed 4 Jun 14

throwy1 says...

-trigg- wrote:
If you wish to fine a request under the Freedom of Information act, there is a set process for registering a request for information, which doesn't involve writing to a local newspaper about it.

But then, you already knew that, didn't you?
He does and I wonder if he has paid his £10.00?
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: If you wish to fine a request under the Freedom of Information act, there is a set process for registering a request for information, which doesn't involve writing to a local newspaper about it. But then, you already knew that, didn't you?[/p][/quote]He does and I wonder if he has paid his £10.00? throwy1
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4:18pm Wed 4 Jun 14

mkaibear1 says...

Given that the anarchist movement in general advocates the removal of ruling authority (since anarchy comes from the Greek "anarchos" meaning "without rulers") it seems specious to expect a library which is funded by those rulers (in the form of the local government) to promote anarchic publications.

Perhaps you should consider setting up your own library and then you can stock it with publications of whatever political flavour you like?
Given that the anarchist movement in general advocates the removal of ruling authority (since anarchy comes from the Greek "anarchos" meaning "without rulers") it seems specious to expect a library which is funded by those rulers (in the form of the local government) to promote anarchic publications. Perhaps you should consider setting up your own library and then you can stock it with publications of whatever political flavour you like? mkaibear1
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5:31pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Although we live in a nominally 'free' country, the banning of anarchist views smacks exactly of the same approach that Putin is using in Russia to stifle the views of political dissenters such as **** Riot etc. They may not agree with the anarchists but they have no moral justification from banning them from expressing their point of view and if they think that doing so they will go away they will be greatly mistaken.

I experienced a similar reaction when I had the 'temerity' to post a message on the Newport Women's Forum asking them if their bursary was inclusive of trans women. Swiftly deleting it and thereby hoping to dodge such a question by completely erasing it, sticking one's head in the sand and pretending it was never asked is an ultimately ineffective way of dealing with ideas that one either does not agree with, does not know the answer to or possibly does not even understand.
Although we live in a nominally 'free' country, the banning of anarchist views smacks exactly of the same approach that Putin is using in Russia to stifle the views of political dissenters such as **** Riot etc. They may not agree with the anarchists but they have no moral justification from banning them from expressing their point of view and if they think that doing so they will go away they will be greatly mistaken. I experienced a similar reaction when I had the 'temerity' to post a message on the Newport Women's Forum asking them if their bursary was inclusive of trans women. Swiftly deleting it and thereby hoping to dodge such a question by completely erasing it, sticking one's head in the sand and pretending it was never asked is an ultimately ineffective way of dealing with ideas that one either does not agree with, does not know the answer to or possibly does not even understand. Katie Re-Registered
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6:15pm Wed 4 Jun 14

mkaibear1 says...

So where do you draw the line?

Do we have a complete freedom of speech and allow anyone to say anything they want? (Including racists, hate-mongers, bigots, and the like - I assume from your comment Katie you're involved with the transgender community so this would include the whole range of hateful comments which are regularly levelled at those who are trans ) or do we put limits on what can be said and published?

It's a binary set.

The argument is either "yes everything should be allowed" and then you deal with the consequences of that, or "no we should have limits" and then the argument is about where the limits should be set.

Most rational people believe that some censorship is required for society to function - but not all (one of my friends is a complete libertarian and thinks that all speech should be free and allowed no matter who it offends).

Do you draw a line? And where do you draw it?
So where do you draw the line? Do we have a complete freedom of speech and allow anyone to say anything they want? (Including racists, hate-mongers, bigots, and the like - I assume from your comment Katie you're involved with the transgender community so this would include the whole range of hateful comments which are regularly levelled at those who are trans ) or do we put limits on what can be said and published? It's a binary set. The argument is either "yes everything should be allowed" and then you deal with the consequences of that, or "no we should have limits" and then the argument is about where the limits should be set. Most rational people believe that some censorship is required for society to function - but not all (one of my friends is a complete libertarian and thinks that all speech should be free and allowed no matter who it offends). Do you draw a line? And where do you draw it? mkaibear1
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9:18pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Llanmartinangel says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
So where do you draw the line?

Do we have a complete freedom of speech and allow anyone to say anything they want? (Including racists, hate-mongers, bigots, and the like - I assume from your comment Katie you're involved with the transgender community so this would include the whole range of hateful comments which are regularly levelled at those who are trans ) or do we put limits on what can be said and published?

It's a binary set.

The argument is either "yes everything should be allowed" and then you deal with the consequences of that, or "no we should have limits" and then the argument is about where the limits should be set.

Most rational people believe that some censorship is required for society to function - but not all (one of my friends is a complete libertarian and thinks that all speech should be free and allowed no matter who it offends).

Do you draw a line? And where do you draw it?
Indeed. Should the library have copies of Mein Kampf? Would Mr Banfidld agree?
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: So where do you draw the line? Do we have a complete freedom of speech and allow anyone to say anything they want? (Including racists, hate-mongers, bigots, and the like - I assume from your comment Katie you're involved with the transgender community so this would include the whole range of hateful comments which are regularly levelled at those who are trans ) or do we put limits on what can be said and published? It's a binary set. The argument is either "yes everything should be allowed" and then you deal with the consequences of that, or "no we should have limits" and then the argument is about where the limits should be set. Most rational people believe that some censorship is required for society to function - but not all (one of my friends is a complete libertarian and thinks that all speech should be free and allowed no matter who it offends). Do you draw a line? And where do you draw it?[/p][/quote]Indeed. Should the library have copies of Mein Kampf? Would Mr Banfidld agree? Llanmartinangel
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9:14am Thu 5 Jun 14

Mervyn James says...

throwy1 wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
If you wish to fine a request under the Freedom of Information act, there is a set process for registering a request for information, which doesn't involve writing to a local newspaper about it.

But then, you already knew that, didn't you?
He does and I wonder if he has paid his £10.00?
One issue of FOI's is you cannot ask a charity for one, and there are 46 other areas who can refuse you one legally too. As for paying £10 I don't ! I have asked for 35 over the last year and never been charged for any of them. It depends on the amount of detail/information you need. You have to be VERY specific about what you want too, or they may still not send you what you really want, a general inquiry won't get you specifics obviously. As for the letter writer, we are ALL kept in the dark and fed BS, didn't you know ?
[quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: If you wish to fine a request under the Freedom of Information act, there is a set process for registering a request for information, which doesn't involve writing to a local newspaper about it. But then, you already knew that, didn't you?[/p][/quote]He does and I wonder if he has paid his £10.00?[/p][/quote]One issue of FOI's is you cannot ask a charity for one, and there are 46 other areas who can refuse you one legally too. As for paying £10 I don't ! I have asked for 35 over the last year and never been charged for any of them. It depends on the amount of detail/information you need. You have to be VERY specific about what you want too, or they may still not send you what you really want, a general inquiry won't get you specifics obviously. As for the letter writer, we are ALL kept in the dark and fed BS, didn't you know ? Mervyn James
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9:42am Thu 5 Jun 14

varteg1 says...

Indeed. Should the library have copies of Mein Kampf? Would Mr Banfidld agree?



As I understand it the book is not banned, it's readily available i book outlets, as are books from diametrically opposite camps. Marx /Engles etc.
Indeed. Should the library have copies of Mein Kampf? Would Mr Banfidld agree? As I understand it the book is not banned, it's readily available i book outlets, as are books from diametrically opposite camps. Marx /Engles etc. varteg1
  • Score: 5

10:28am Fri 6 Jun 14

pwlldu says...

SO LIVE YOUR LIFE THAT THE FEAR OF DEATH CAN
NEVER ENTER YOUR HEART. TROUBLE NO ONE ABOUT THEIR RELIGION; RESPECT OTHERS IN
THEIR VIEW, AND DEMAND THAT THEY RESPECT YOURS. LOVE YOUR LIFE, PERFECT YOUR
LIFE, BEAUTIFY ALL THINGS IN YOUR LIFE. SEEK TO MAKE YOUR LIFE LONG AND ITS
PURPOSE IN THE SERVICE OF YOUR PEOPLE. PREPARE A NOBLE DEATH SONG FOR THE DAY
WHEN YOU GO OVER THE GREAT DIVIDE.


ALWAYS GIVE A WORD OR A SIGN OF SALUTE WHEN
MEETING OR PASSING A FRIEND, EVEN A STRANGER, WHEN IN A LONELY PLACE. SHOW
RESPECT TO ALL PEOPLE AND GROVEL TO NONE.


WHEN YOU ARISE IN THE MORNING GIVE THANKS FOR
THE FOOD AND FOR THE JOY OF LIVING. IF YOU SEE NO REASON FOR GIVING THANKS, THE
FAULT LIES ONLY IN YOURSELF. ABUSE NO ONE AND NO THING, FOR ABUSE TURNS THE
WISE ONES TO FOOLS AND ROBS THE SPIRIT OF ITS VISION.


WHEN IT COMES YOUR TIME TO DIE, BE NOT LIKE
THOSE WHOSE HEARTS ARE FILLED WITH THE FEAR OF DEATH, SO THAT WHEN THEIR TIME
COMES THEY WEEP AND PRAY FOR A LITTLE MORE TIME TO LIVE THEIR LIVES OVER AGAIN
IN A DIFFERENT WAY. SING YOUR DEATH SONG AND DIE LIKE A HERO GOING
HOME.
SO LIVE YOUR LIFE THAT THE FEAR OF DEATH CAN NEVER ENTER YOUR HEART. TROUBLE NO ONE ABOUT THEIR RELIGION; RESPECT OTHERS IN THEIR VIEW, AND DEMAND THAT THEY RESPECT YOURS. LOVE YOUR LIFE, PERFECT YOUR LIFE, BEAUTIFY ALL THINGS IN YOUR LIFE. SEEK TO MAKE YOUR LIFE LONG AND ITS PURPOSE IN THE SERVICE OF YOUR PEOPLE. PREPARE A NOBLE DEATH SONG FOR THE DAY WHEN YOU GO OVER THE GREAT DIVIDE. ALWAYS GIVE A WORD OR A SIGN OF SALUTE WHEN MEETING OR PASSING A FRIEND, EVEN A STRANGER, WHEN IN A LONELY PLACE. SHOW RESPECT TO ALL PEOPLE AND GROVEL TO NONE. WHEN YOU ARISE IN THE MORNING GIVE THANKS FOR THE FOOD AND FOR THE JOY OF LIVING. IF YOU SEE NO REASON FOR GIVING THANKS, THE FAULT LIES ONLY IN YOURSELF. ABUSE NO ONE AND NO THING, FOR ABUSE TURNS THE WISE ONES TO FOOLS AND ROBS THE SPIRIT OF ITS VISION. WHEN IT COMES YOUR TIME TO DIE, BE NOT LIKE THOSE WHOSE HEARTS ARE FILLED WITH THE FEAR OF DEATH, SO THAT WHEN THEIR TIME COMES THEY WEEP AND PRAY FOR A LITTLE MORE TIME TO LIVE THEIR LIVES OVER AGAIN IN A DIFFERENT WAY. SING YOUR DEATH SONG AND DIE LIKE A HERO GOING HOME. pwlldu
  • Score: -3

3:21pm Sun 8 Jun 14

displayed says...

' why our informative news sheet “Resistance” (produced by the Anarchist Federation) has been removed from Pontypool library?'

Because:
“Resistance”is futile'.............
' why our informative news sheet “Resistance” (produced by the Anarchist Federation) has been removed from Pontypool library?' Because: “Resistance”is futile'............. displayed
  • Score: 5

8:31pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Mervyn James says...

Anyone who thinks freedom of speech is an inalienable right has obviously lived a sheltered life ! Taken to illogical conclusion perverts, paedos'. rapists, terrorists et al could fill library shelves with their views and thoughts. There is no such right, and most of us don't support that. There ARE lines drawn in the sand, to protect the population from its own extremes.. We have laws too funny enough that say what you are and are not allowed to do, we get 1,000s updated every year. In the USA they are considering yet another law, that is, to take the DNA of every new born child and allocate them a number at day one, 1984 and then some ! And last time I looked the USA wasn't a communist or totalitarian society (It must be true because they said so !!). Even Russia aint gone that far yet....
Anyone who thinks freedom of speech is an inalienable right has obviously lived a sheltered life ! Taken to illogical conclusion perverts, paedos'. rapists, terrorists et al could fill library shelves with their views and thoughts. There is no such right, and most of us don't support that. There ARE lines drawn in the sand, to protect the population from its own extremes.. We have laws too funny enough that say what you are and are not allowed to do, we get 1,000s updated every year. In the USA they are considering yet another law, that is, to take the DNA of every new born child and allocate them a number at day one, 1984 and then some ! And last time I looked the USA wasn't a communist or totalitarian society (It must be true because they said so !!). Even Russia aint gone that far yet.... Mervyn James
  • Score: 2

3:58pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Good Job No Kids says...

' why our informative news sheet “Resistance” (produced by the Anarchist Federation) has been removed from Pontypool library?'


Because nobody ever read it and it was a waste of shelf space almost as much as the socialist version
' why our informative news sheet “Resistance” (produced by the Anarchist Federation) has been removed from Pontypool library?' Because nobody ever read it and it was a waste of shelf space almost as much as the socialist version Good Job No Kids
  • Score: -1

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