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2:31pm Mon 23 Jun 14

mkaibear1 says...

So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go?

Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?
So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go? Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on? mkaibear1
  • Score: 12

4:19pm Mon 23 Jun 14

siameselady says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go?

Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?
Agree!
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go? Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?[/p][/quote]Agree! siameselady
  • Score: 7

8:05pm Mon 23 Jun 14

Mervyn James says...

If they want to dress up as penguins and wear clown fancy dress, why worry ? we need all the laughs we can get. The top 5% are still the top 5%, short of eating them I cannot see how to counter it.... I suppose it provides work for some....
If they want to dress up as penguins and wear clown fancy dress, why worry ? we need all the laughs we can get. The top 5% are still the top 5%, short of eating them I cannot see how to counter it.... I suppose it provides work for some.... Mervyn James
  • Score: -1

8:14am Tue 24 Jun 14

varteg1 says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go?

Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?
I don't care what wealth some people have, I do care when their profligate lifestyle is shoved into my face whenever I turn on the TV. Not all have handed down wealth or celebrity backgrounds to enable them to enter the hallowed grounds represented by Royal Ascot or any of the other sites where these functions take place,.

Celebrity goings on has become passe and it's well past the time when a degree of decorum is instituted in the media, all it will take to see a sever reaction to how the mass are treated, is for some extreme group to gain sufficient ground for a nasty level of opprobrium to come to the fore and people with an envy mentality to create a environment where their antipathy to such profligate behaviour by the celebrity and wealthy sector. will take a drastic turn.
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go? Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?[/p][/quote]I don't care what wealth some people have, I do care when their profligate lifestyle is shoved into my face whenever I turn on the TV. Not all have handed down wealth or celebrity backgrounds to enable them to enter the hallowed grounds represented by Royal Ascot or any of the other sites where these functions take place,. Celebrity goings on has become passe and it's well past the time when a degree of decorum is instituted in the media, all it will take to see a sever reaction to how the mass are treated, is for some extreme group to gain sufficient ground for a nasty level of opprobrium to come to the fore and people with an envy mentality to create a environment where their antipathy to such profligate behaviour by the celebrity and wealthy sector. will take a drastic turn. varteg1
  • Score: -4

9:30am Tue 24 Jun 14

mkaibear1 says...

varteg1 wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote:
So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go?

Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?
I don't care what wealth some people have, I do care when their profligate lifestyle is shoved into my face whenever I turn on the TV. Not all have handed down wealth or celebrity backgrounds to enable them to enter the hallowed grounds represented by Royal Ascot or any of the other sites where these functions take place,.

Celebrity goings on has become passe and it's well past the time when a degree of decorum is instituted in the media, all it will take to see a sever reaction to how the mass are treated, is for some extreme group to gain sufficient ground for a nasty level of opprobrium to come to the fore and people with an envy mentality to create a environment where their antipathy to such profligate behaviour by the celebrity and wealthy sector. will take a drastic turn.
>Whenever I turn on the TV

Good grief, really? Does it only receive one channel? Can you not just change away from it?

This is a completely different issue. Should these kinds of events be reported on by the media? Are there a sufficient number of people who are interested to make it worth reporting on?

The answer is clearly yes, or they wouldn't do it.

I'm sorry you don't enjoy watching these kinds of things but TV channels are businesses, they are there to make money, so they will put on the shows which people watch. If that's reporting on Royal Ascot, they will do that. Do what I do and change the channel - or turn off your TV set and do something less boring instead!

>Not all have handed down wealth or celebrity backgrounds

Correct, some people have worked for their money and earned the right to spend it how they choose (why anyone would choose to go to Royal Ascot is beyond me but it takes all sorts).

>Celebrity goings on has(sic) become passe(sic)

They were always boring to me. Unfortunately they are still fashionable because people are still interested in them, so not really passé

>vague rant about extreme groups

Never going to happen. People have too much invested in the status quo. The historical parallels you're trying to draw with Revolutionary France et al aren't applicable because the big issue there was that there was no chance for anyone to leave the ranks of the proletariat and join the ranks of the wealthy.

In our society you can join the ranks of the wealthy. You can work for it, you can save for it, you can win the lottery for it, you can marry into it... There are outlets for people to earn money and make something of themselves. That's the difference between our society and the Roman society (bread and circuses), the French society (let them eat cake), the Russian society, these environments didn't allow people to move between "layers" at all and as a consequence they fractured in exactly the way you're suggesting.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go? Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?[/p][/quote]I don't care what wealth some people have, I do care when their profligate lifestyle is shoved into my face whenever I turn on the TV. Not all have handed down wealth or celebrity backgrounds to enable them to enter the hallowed grounds represented by Royal Ascot or any of the other sites where these functions take place,. Celebrity goings on has become passe and it's well past the time when a degree of decorum is instituted in the media, all it will take to see a sever reaction to how the mass are treated, is for some extreme group to gain sufficient ground for a nasty level of opprobrium to come to the fore and people with an envy mentality to create a environment where their antipathy to such profligate behaviour by the celebrity and wealthy sector. will take a drastic turn.[/p][/quote]>Whenever I turn on the TV Good grief, really? Does it only receive one channel? Can you not just change away from it? This is a completely different issue. Should these kinds of events be reported on by the media? Are there a sufficient number of people who are interested to make it worth reporting on? The answer is clearly yes, or they wouldn't do it. I'm sorry you don't enjoy watching these kinds of things but TV channels are businesses, they are there to make money, so they will put on the shows which people watch. If that's reporting on Royal Ascot, they will do that. Do what I do and change the channel - or turn off your TV set and do something less boring instead! >Not all have handed down wealth or celebrity backgrounds Correct, some people have worked for their money and earned the right to spend it how they choose (why anyone would choose to go to Royal Ascot is beyond me but it takes all sorts). >Celebrity goings on has(sic) become passe(sic) They were always boring to me. Unfortunately they are still fashionable because people are still interested in them, so not really passé >vague rant about extreme groups Never going to happen. People have too much invested in the status quo. The historical parallels you're trying to draw with Revolutionary France et al aren't applicable because the big issue there was that there was no chance for anyone to leave the ranks of the proletariat and join the ranks of the wealthy. In our society you can join the ranks of the wealthy. You can work for it, you can save for it, you can win the lottery for it, you can marry into it... There are outlets for people to earn money and make something of themselves. That's the difference between our society and the Roman society (bread and circuses), the French society (let them eat cake), the Russian society, these environments didn't allow people to move between "layers" at all and as a consequence they fractured in exactly the way you're suggesting. mkaibear1
  • Score: 3

11:34am Tue 24 Jun 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Just another "have not" whinging about being poor rather than being proactive and doing something about it.
Just another "have not" whinging about being poor rather than being proactive and doing something about it. Good Job No Kids
  • Score: 4

1:06pm Tue 24 Jun 14

throwy1 says...

varteg1 wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote:
So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go?

Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?
I don't care what wealth some people have, I do care when their profligate lifestyle is shoved into my face whenever I turn on the TV. Not all have handed down wealth or celebrity backgrounds to enable them to enter the hallowed grounds represented by Royal Ascot or any of the other sites where these functions take place,.

Celebrity goings on has become passe and it's well past the time when a degree of decorum is instituted in the media, all it will take to see a sever reaction to how the mass are treated, is for some extreme group to gain sufficient ground for a nasty level of opprobrium to come to the fore and people with an envy mentality to create a environment where their antipathy to such profligate behaviour by the celebrity and wealthy sector. will take a drastic turn.
You can always chose a different channel or turn your set off John.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go? Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?[/p][/quote]I don't care what wealth some people have, I do care when their profligate lifestyle is shoved into my face whenever I turn on the TV. Not all have handed down wealth or celebrity backgrounds to enable them to enter the hallowed grounds represented by Royal Ascot or any of the other sites where these functions take place,. Celebrity goings on has become passe and it's well past the time when a degree of decorum is instituted in the media, all it will take to see a sever reaction to how the mass are treated, is for some extreme group to gain sufficient ground for a nasty level of opprobrium to come to the fore and people with an envy mentality to create a environment where their antipathy to such profligate behaviour by the celebrity and wealthy sector. will take a drastic turn.[/p][/quote]You can always chose a different channel or turn your set off John. throwy1
  • Score: 3

1:22pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

What makes me laugh most of all is the ridiculously heavy-policed Ascot dress code. I mean, the strict dress codes in middle-eastern countries are often cited in the west as being a sign of how repressive and reactionary those societies are, yet don't events such as Ascot have dress codes based on sexism, too - not to mention classism? Admittedly, the penalty for breaching them might not be fifty lashes, yet the rules are that those who do not comply to this Ken and Barbie Fest will certainly not be allowed racecourse admittance!
What makes me laugh most of all is the ridiculously heavy-policed Ascot dress code. I mean, the strict dress codes in middle-eastern countries are often cited in the west as being a sign of how repressive and reactionary those societies are, yet don't events such as Ascot have dress codes based on sexism, too - not to mention classism? Admittedly, the penalty for breaching them might not be fifty lashes, yet the rules are that those who do not comply to this Ken and Barbie Fest will certainly not be allowed racecourse admittance! Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -4

3:52pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Llanmartinangel says...

The Socialist principle of wishing to control what people spend their legally earned money on is the most odious of the lot. We've already had contributors decrying those who spend money on private education and healthcare. Presumably my mate working every hour of overtime he can get to pay for his Emirates season ticket is wrong as well in Mr Morgan's world? It's called 'freedom' mate. An anathema to some of the grey boiler suit brigade I'm sure but I happen to like it.
The Socialist principle of wishing to control what people spend their legally earned money on is the most odious of the lot. We've already had contributors decrying those who spend money on private education and healthcare. Presumably my mate working every hour of overtime he can get to pay for his Emirates season ticket is wrong as well in Mr Morgan's world? It's called 'freedom' mate. An anathema to some of the grey boiler suit brigade I'm sure but I happen to like it. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 3

9:35pm Thu 26 Jun 14

varteg1 says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote:
So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go?

Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?
I don't care what wealth some people have, I do care when their profligate lifestyle is shoved into my face whenever I turn on the TV. Not all have handed down wealth or celebrity backgrounds to enable them to enter the hallowed grounds represented by Royal Ascot or any of the other sites where these functions take place,.

Celebrity goings on has become passe and it's well past the time when a degree of decorum is instituted in the media, all it will take to see a sever reaction to how the mass are treated, is for some extreme group to gain sufficient ground for a nasty level of opprobrium to come to the fore and people with an envy mentality to create a environment where their antipathy to such profligate behaviour by the celebrity and wealthy sector. will take a drastic turn.
>Whenever I turn on the TV

Good grief, really? Does it only receive one channel? Can you not just change away from it?

This is a completely different issue. Should these kinds of events be reported on by the media? Are there a sufficient number of people who are interested to make it worth reporting on?

The answer is clearly yes, or they wouldn't do it.

I'm sorry you don't enjoy watching these kinds of things but TV channels are businesses, they are there to make money, so they will put on the shows which people watch. If that's reporting on Royal Ascot, they will do that. Do what I do and change the channel - or turn off your TV set and do something less boring instead!

>Not all have handed down wealth or celebrity backgrounds

Correct, some people have worked for their money and earned the right to spend it how they choose (why anyone would choose to go to Royal Ascot is beyond me but it takes all sorts).

>Celebrity goings on has(sic) become passe(sic)

They were always boring to me. Unfortunately they are still fashionable because people are still interested in them, so not really passé

>vague rant about extreme groups

Never going to happen. People have too much invested in the status quo. The historical parallels you're trying to draw with Revolutionary France et al aren't applicable because the big issue there was that there was no chance for anyone to leave the ranks of the proletariat and join the ranks of the wealthy.

In our society you can join the ranks of the wealthy. You can work for it, you can save for it, you can win the lottery for it, you can marry into it... There are outlets for people to earn money and make something of themselves. That's the difference between our society and the Roman society (bread and circuses), the French society (let them eat cake), the Russian society, these environments didn't allow people to move between "layers" at all and as a consequence they fractured in exactly the way you're suggesting.
Sic this.........


passé
ˈpaseɪ/
adjective
no longer fashionable; out of date.
"minis are passé—the best skirts are knee-length"
synonyms: out of date, outdated, out, dated, unfashionable, out of fashion, old-fashioned, outmoded, out of style, behind the times, outworn, archaic, obsolescent, obsolete, ancient, antiquated, superannuated, defunct, dead, old-fogeyish, old-fangled, quaint, anachronistic, olde worlde, medieval; More

I have as much right to object about things that demonstrate bthe worthless culture we now suffer.

As I am writing, my wife is looking through some women's magazines, each one is full of so called 'celebrities' doing things that normal people cannot do, and doing it because the media pumps them up beyond any rationale.

The actual editorial content, which should be creating a desire to make something of a woman is almost at zero level, no wonder people are becoming so **** shallow it almost hurts to see it.

But what can you come up with, "has your tv only got one channel?"

I can assure you, my main use of the tv is news, (for what it's worth as it seems to severely edited for British consumption), documentaries, usually worth watching across the spectrum,, and movie entertainment.

I suppose your bubble gets pricked whenever some one criticises the culture that is almost totally pervasive these days. with ubiquitous bare flesh and ever increasing and embarrassing bad language. Yes, even on so called family shows it would seem from the amounts of complaints received over those very matters.

I cannot see why I should spend my time hopping channel in order to avoid the crap being disseminated hour by hour.
As for Royalty....I'll have my 59 pence back, let them pay their own way just as I am compelled to .

Lets see Harry or whoever pay his own rent at 5 millions a year.

If I am expected to exist on 365 quid a month after a lifetime working until I was 73, maybe HM would be willing to pass a bit of her annual salary of nearly 40 millions over so my life can be a tad easier.

Long past the time we became a republic anyway, away with this anachronism called Royalty,.
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go? Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?[/p][/quote]I don't care what wealth some people have, I do care when their profligate lifestyle is shoved into my face whenever I turn on the TV. Not all have handed down wealth or celebrity backgrounds to enable them to enter the hallowed grounds represented by Royal Ascot or any of the other sites where these functions take place,. Celebrity goings on has become passe and it's well past the time when a degree of decorum is instituted in the media, all it will take to see a sever reaction to how the mass are treated, is for some extreme group to gain sufficient ground for a nasty level of opprobrium to come to the fore and people with an envy mentality to create a environment where their antipathy to such profligate behaviour by the celebrity and wealthy sector. will take a drastic turn.[/p][/quote]>Whenever I turn on the TV Good grief, really? Does it only receive one channel? Can you not just change away from it? This is a completely different issue. Should these kinds of events be reported on by the media? Are there a sufficient number of people who are interested to make it worth reporting on? The answer is clearly yes, or they wouldn't do it. I'm sorry you don't enjoy watching these kinds of things but TV channels are businesses, they are there to make money, so they will put on the shows which people watch. If that's reporting on Royal Ascot, they will do that. Do what I do and change the channel - or turn off your TV set and do something less boring instead! >Not all have handed down wealth or celebrity backgrounds Correct, some people have worked for their money and earned the right to spend it how they choose (why anyone would choose to go to Royal Ascot is beyond me but it takes all sorts). >Celebrity goings on has(sic) become passe(sic) They were always boring to me. Unfortunately they are still fashionable because people are still interested in them, so not really passé >vague rant about extreme groups Never going to happen. People have too much invested in the status quo. The historical parallels you're trying to draw with Revolutionary France et al aren't applicable because the big issue there was that there was no chance for anyone to leave the ranks of the proletariat and join the ranks of the wealthy. In our society you can join the ranks of the wealthy. You can work for it, you can save for it, you can win the lottery for it, you can marry into it... There are outlets for people to earn money and make something of themselves. That's the difference between our society and the Roman society (bread and circuses), the French society (let them eat cake), the Russian society, these environments didn't allow people to move between "layers" at all and as a consequence they fractured in exactly the way you're suggesting.[/p][/quote]Sic this......... passé ˈpaseɪ/ adjective no longer fashionable; out of date. "minis are passé—the best skirts are knee-length" synonyms: out of date, outdated, out, dated, unfashionable, out of fashion, old-fashioned, outmoded, out of style, behind the times, outworn, archaic, obsolescent, obsolete, ancient, antiquated, superannuated, defunct, dead, old-fogeyish, old-fangled, quaint, anachronistic, olde worlde, medieval; More I have as much right to object about things that demonstrate bthe worthless culture we now suffer. As I am writing, my wife is looking through some women's magazines, each one is full of so called 'celebrities' doing things that normal people cannot do, and doing it because the media pumps them up beyond any rationale. The actual editorial content, which should be creating a desire to make something of a woman is almost at zero level, no wonder people are becoming so **** shallow it almost hurts to see it. But what can you come up with, "has your tv only got one channel?" I can assure you, my main use of the tv is news, (for what it's worth as it seems to severely edited for British consumption), documentaries, usually worth watching across the spectrum,, and movie entertainment. I suppose your bubble gets pricked whenever some one criticises the culture that is almost totally pervasive these days. with ubiquitous bare flesh and ever increasing and embarrassing bad language. Yes, even on so called family shows it would seem from the amounts of complaints received over those very matters. I cannot see why I should spend my time hopping channel in order to avoid the crap being disseminated hour by hour. As for Royalty....I'll have my 59 pence back, let them pay their own way just as I am compelled to . Lets see Harry or whoever pay his own rent at 5 millions a year. If I am expected to exist on 365 quid a month after a lifetime working until I was 73, maybe HM would be willing to pass a bit of her annual salary of nearly 40 millions over so my life can be a tad easier. Long past the time we became a republic anyway, away with this anachronism called Royalty,. varteg1
  • Score: 0

2:45pm Sun 29 Jun 14

varteg1 says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go?

Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?
I have to agree with that...except when it comes to Royalty...IT AIN'T THEIR MONEY is it?


IT'S OURS!
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go? Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?[/p][/quote]I have to agree with that...except when it comes to Royalty...IT AIN'T THEIR MONEY is it? IT'S OURS! varteg1
  • Score: 0

9:03pm Wed 2 Jul 14

sillybilly43 says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go?

Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?
Made my point for me. Ascot illustrate exactly, the have and the have nots. Yes they can spend their money as they see fit. the POINT is the fact that THEY have it, and Millions DON,T.
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: So, basically, because some people don't have enough money to attend Royal Ascot, no-one should be allowed to go? Surely it's up to people what they choose to spend their money on?[/p][/quote]Made my point for me. Ascot illustrate exactly, the have and the have nots. Yes they can spend their money as they see fit. the POINT is the fact that THEY have it, and Millions DON,T. sillybilly43
  • Score: 0

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