Concentrate on issues at home

First published in Letters

Further to my letter 8 June, 2014, published (13 June, 2014), it would seem, on the basis that a brainwashed Cardiff Muslim is posing for propaganda purposes in the Middle East, we can put Birmingham schools to the back of our minds and concentrate on the nest of vipers being nurtured in the land of our fathers.

If anyone thinks this young man is an isolated incident think again, and for God’s sake stop pussy footing around the issue.

If we continue to placate this doctrine our grandchildren will be confronting the same conflagration now engulfing the Muslim world.

Dennis Jones, Newbridge

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12:22pm Tue 24 Jun 14

mkaibear1 says...

Actions of extremist idiots do not mean that we should condemn an entire people group. The vast majority of Muslims are law-abiding citizens. Some of them are being twisted and corrupted by evil people but the biggest aid to stopping those evil people is the Muslims themselves.

If we use xenophobic or racist language to drive a wedge between them and us we set up further barriers to integration and make it more likely that extremism will spread, not less.
Actions of extremist idiots do not mean that we should condemn an entire people group. The vast majority of Muslims are law-abiding citizens. Some of them are being twisted and corrupted by evil people but the biggest aid to stopping those evil people is the Muslims themselves. If we use xenophobic or racist language to drive a wedge between them and us we set up further barriers to integration and make it more likely that extremism will spread, not less. mkaibear1
  • Score: 7

1:14pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

The best and most effective way to tackle religious extremism is to recognise that there are extremists in all religions.

To that end there is no need to enact discriminatory policies against one religion. All that needs to be done is to crack down hard on ALL religious extremists and to ban religious schools altogether. All they do is create further divisions in society as do single-sex schools and private schools which should also be banned. Everybody will be treated the same - so no discrimination.

Also, when we have a government that seeks to appease religious fundamentalists by exempting them from carrying out same-sex marriage ceremonies is it any wonder that such homophobic, transphobic and misogynistic bigots are thriving in the secular state that Britain is supposed to be?

Since religions are predicated on the idea that if someone does not believe exactly the same as its adherants then they will burn in hell for eternity, I really find it hard to understand as a non-religious person how this does not make religions hate organisations?
The best and most effective way to tackle religious extremism is to recognise that there are extremists in all religions. To that end there is no need to enact discriminatory policies against one religion. All that needs to be done is to crack down hard on ALL religious extremists and to ban religious schools altogether. All they do is create further divisions in society as do single-sex schools and private schools which should also be banned. Everybody will be treated the same - so no discrimination. Also, when we have a government that seeks to appease religious fundamentalists by exempting them from carrying out same-sex marriage ceremonies is it any wonder that such homophobic, transphobic and misogynistic bigots are thriving in the secular state that Britain is supposed to be? Since religions are predicated on the idea that if someone does not believe exactly the same as its adherants then they will burn in hell for eternity, I really find it hard to understand as a non-religious person how this does not make religions hate organisations? Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -5

1:21pm Tue 24 Jun 14

mkaibear1 says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
The best and most effective way to tackle religious extremism is to recognise that there are extremists in all religions.

To that end there is no need to enact discriminatory policies against one religion. All that needs to be done is to crack down hard on ALL religious extremists and to ban religious schools altogether. All they do is create further divisions in society as do single-sex schools and private schools which should also be banned. Everybody will be treated the same - so no discrimination.

Also, when we have a government that seeks to appease religious fundamentalists by exempting them from carrying out same-sex marriage ceremonies is it any wonder that such homophobic, transphobic and misogynistic bigots are thriving in the secular state that Britain is supposed to be?

Since religions are predicated on the idea that if someone does not believe exactly the same as its adherants then they will burn in hell for eternity, I really find it hard to understand as a non-religious person how this does not make religions hate organisations?
No, the way you deal with a threat to freedom isn't *BAN EVERYTHING* because that just drives it underground and makes it harder to monitor.

If you're worried about religious extremism (or in fact any other sort of extremism) the best way to deal with it is to expose it to the light, expose it to scrutiny, let people see it for what it is. Hiding it away does not solve the problem it makes it worse.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: The best and most effective way to tackle religious extremism is to recognise that there are extremists in all religions. To that end there is no need to enact discriminatory policies against one religion. All that needs to be done is to crack down hard on ALL religious extremists and to ban religious schools altogether. All they do is create further divisions in society as do single-sex schools and private schools which should also be banned. Everybody will be treated the same - so no discrimination. Also, when we have a government that seeks to appease religious fundamentalists by exempting them from carrying out same-sex marriage ceremonies is it any wonder that such homophobic, transphobic and misogynistic bigots are thriving in the secular state that Britain is supposed to be? Since religions are predicated on the idea that if someone does not believe exactly the same as its adherants then they will burn in hell for eternity, I really find it hard to understand as a non-religious person how this does not make religions hate organisations?[/p][/quote]No, the way you deal with a threat to freedom isn't *BAN EVERYTHING* because that just drives it underground and makes it harder to monitor. If you're worried about religious extremism (or in fact any other sort of extremism) the best way to deal with it is to expose it to the light, expose it to scrutiny, let people see it for what it is. Hiding it away does not solve the problem it makes it worse. mkaibear1
  • Score: 4

2:45pm Tue 24 Jun 14

coalpicker says...

What we have to understand and are failing to is whether it be Catholics
Protestantism Buddhist or Islamist give them the child of seven and they will give you the man. Brain washing is not new it has been with us for centuries. PAVLOV perfected it with dogs, watching Muslims literally blowing themselves to unidentifiable particles clearly the Imams have perfected Pavlov's Technique and are applying it to inexperienced impressionable young people who will only understand they have been betrayed when a bullet is lodged in their stomach's or they have lost an arm or leg.,Having watched fellow soldier colleagues writhe and die in agony I can give categorical assurance that whatever gods there-be they or their Prophets will not be paying a blind bit of notice .
What we have to understand and are failing to is whether it be Catholics Protestantism Buddhist or Islamist give them the child of seven and they will give you the man. Brain washing is not new it has been with us for centuries. PAVLOV perfected it with dogs, watching Muslims literally blowing themselves to unidentifiable particles clearly the Imams have perfected Pavlov's Technique and are applying it to inexperienced impressionable young people who will only understand they have been betrayed when a bullet is lodged in their stomach's or they have lost an arm or leg.,Having watched fellow soldier colleagues writhe and die in agony I can give categorical assurance that whatever gods there-be they or their Prophets will not be paying a blind bit of notice . coalpicker
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3:01pm Tue 24 Jun 14

mkaibear1 says...

coalpicker wrote:
What we have to understand and are failing to is whether it be Catholics
Protestantism Buddhist or Islamist give them the child of seven and they will give you the man. Brain washing is not new it has been with us for centuries. PAVLOV perfected it with dogs, watching Muslims literally blowing themselves to unidentifiable particles clearly the Imams have perfected Pavlov's Technique and are applying it to inexperienced impressionable young people who will only understand they have been betrayed when a bullet is lodged in their stomach's or they have lost an arm or leg.,Having watched fellow soldier colleagues writhe and die in agony I can give categorical assurance that whatever gods there-be they or their Prophets will not be paying a blind bit of notice .
>whether it be Catholics Protestantism Buddhist or Islamist

or socialist, fascist, communist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, Red, Blue, Green, Purple or Yellow, they're all the same.

If you indoctrinate children you foster problems. Children should be taught to question, should be taught to think, should be taught that they are free to make their own choices.
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: What we have to understand and are failing to is whether it be Catholics Protestantism Buddhist or Islamist give them the child of seven and they will give you the man. Brain washing is not new it has been with us for centuries. PAVLOV perfected it with dogs, watching Muslims literally blowing themselves to unidentifiable particles clearly the Imams have perfected Pavlov's Technique and are applying it to inexperienced impressionable young people who will only understand they have been betrayed when a bullet is lodged in their stomach's or they have lost an arm or leg.,Having watched fellow soldier colleagues writhe and die in agony I can give categorical assurance that whatever gods there-be they or their Prophets will not be paying a blind bit of notice .[/p][/quote]>whether it be Catholics Protestantism Buddhist or Islamist or socialist, fascist, communist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, Red, Blue, Green, Purple or Yellow, they're all the same. If you indoctrinate children you foster problems. Children should be taught to question, should be taught to think, should be taught that they are free to make their own choices. mkaibear1
  • Score: 0

3:49pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Mervyn James says...

I still do not think British Muslims are cooperating with the security services here. E.G. | Cardiff parents apparently unaware their children are radicalized or even in the country. An Imam today in Cardiff said he KNEW of 8 young men who had gone to Syria to fight, but not told the police or anything. Another said every city in the UK with a Mosque was aware of young men going to Syria to fight. You can bet your life (And we probably are), they will come back here and cause mayhem. Another young Muslim said the only way to prevent or limit radicalization in Cardiff, was to close the Mosques. This religion closes ranks to protect their errant terrorist children, rather than come out and disown them, or report them. They are saying the mosques do not have radical preachers, Cardiff invited 3, all banned in other countries, Leicester /London 17 of them.... Why invite banned clerics to preach hate here ? Why is the border control letting them IN. They have no problem banning Asians..........The net is a prime area too, google/twitter/faceb
ook etc have the power to zero these sites its madness to say they cannot because of free speech, ISIS and Al Qaeda will put that on their tombstone.
I still do not think British Muslims are cooperating with the security services here. E.G. | Cardiff parents apparently unaware their children are radicalized or even in the country. An Imam today in Cardiff said he KNEW of 8 young men who had gone to Syria to fight, but not told the police or anything. Another said every city in the UK with a Mosque was aware of young men going to Syria to fight. You can bet your life (And we probably are), they will come back here and cause mayhem. Another young Muslim said the only way to prevent or limit radicalization in Cardiff, was to close the Mosques. This religion closes ranks to protect their errant terrorist children, rather than come out and disown them, or report them. They are saying the mosques do not have radical preachers, Cardiff invited 3, all banned in other countries, Leicester /London 17 of them.... Why invite banned clerics to preach hate here ? Why is the border control letting them IN. They have no problem banning Asians..........The net is a prime area too, google/twitter/faceb ook etc have the power to zero these sites its madness to say they cannot because of free speech, ISIS and Al Qaeda will put that on their tombstone. Mervyn James
  • Score: 3

4:47pm Tue 24 Jun 14

mrleebob says...

Mervyn James wrote:
I still do not think British Muslims are cooperating with the security services here. E.G. | Cardiff parents apparently unaware their children are radicalized or even in the country. An Imam today in Cardiff said he KNEW of 8 young men who had gone to Syria to fight, but not told the police or anything. Another said every city in the UK with a Mosque was aware of young men going to Syria to fight. You can bet your life (And we probably are), they will come back here and cause mayhem. Another young Muslim said the only way to prevent or limit radicalization in Cardiff, was to close the Mosques. This religion closes ranks to protect their errant terrorist children, rather than come out and disown them, or report them. They are saying the mosques do not have radical preachers, Cardiff invited 3, all banned in other countries, Leicester /London 17 of them.... Why invite banned clerics to preach hate here ? Why is the border control letting them IN. They have no problem banning Asians..........The net is a prime area too, google/twitter/faceb

ook etc have the power to zero these sites its madness to say they cannot because of free speech, ISIS and Al Qaeda will put that on their tombstone.
No religion cooperates with the law. You mention Muslim Imams being aware of criminals but refusing to declare them. How many In the Catholic hierarchy were/are aware of child abusers within the set up but either refuse to reveal them or, even worse, move the offenders elsewhere to cover up the crime? Religion equals corruption, the only difference between Christianity and Islam is media bias.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: I still do not think British Muslims are cooperating with the security services here. E.G. | Cardiff parents apparently unaware their children are radicalized or even in the country. An Imam today in Cardiff said he KNEW of 8 young men who had gone to Syria to fight, but not told the police or anything. Another said every city in the UK with a Mosque was aware of young men going to Syria to fight. You can bet your life (And we probably are), they will come back here and cause mayhem. Another young Muslim said the only way to prevent or limit radicalization in Cardiff, was to close the Mosques. This religion closes ranks to protect their errant terrorist children, rather than come out and disown them, or report them. They are saying the mosques do not have radical preachers, Cardiff invited 3, all banned in other countries, Leicester /London 17 of them.... Why invite banned clerics to preach hate here ? Why is the border control letting them IN. They have no problem banning Asians..........The net is a prime area too, google/twitter/faceb ook etc have the power to zero these sites its madness to say they cannot because of free speech, ISIS and Al Qaeda will put that on their tombstone.[/p][/quote]No religion cooperates with the law. You mention Muslim Imams being aware of criminals but refusing to declare them. How many In the Catholic hierarchy were/are aware of child abusers within the set up but either refuse to reveal them or, even worse, move the offenders elsewhere to cover up the crime? Religion equals corruption, the only difference between Christianity and Islam is media bias. mrleebob
  • Score: 2

8:20pm Tue 24 Jun 14

coalpicker says...

mrleebob wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
I still do not think British Muslims are cooperating with the security services here. E.G. | Cardiff parents apparently unaware their children are radicalized or even in the country. An Imam today in Cardiff said he KNEW of 8 young men who had gone to Syria to fight, but not told the police or anything. Another said every city in the UK with a Mosque was aware of young men going to Syria to fight. You can bet your life (And we probably are), they will come back here and cause mayhem. Another young Muslim said the only way to prevent or limit radicalization in Cardiff, was to close the Mosques. This religion closes ranks to protect their errant terrorist children, rather than come out and disown them, or report them. They are saying the mosques do not have radical preachers, Cardiff invited 3, all banned in other countries, Leicester /London 17 of them.... Why invite banned clerics to preach hate here ? Why is the border control letting them IN. They have no problem banning Asians..........The net is a prime area too, google/twitter/faceb


ook etc have the power to zero these sites its madness to say they cannot because of free speech, ISIS and Al Qaeda will put that on their tombstone.
No religion cooperates with the law. You mention Muslim Imams being aware of criminals but refusing to declare them. How many In the Catholic hierarchy were/are aware of child abusers within the set up but either refuse to reveal them or, even worse, move the offenders elsewhere to cover up the crime? Religion equals corruption, the only difference between Christianity and Islam is media bias.
The bottom line as far as the Catholic church is concerned is that the priesthood is a very unnatural starting point any twenty four carat male knows exactly what I am saying , I would submit that the Catholic hierarchy have been **** in the same pot, As for media bias are you saying that Christians are suicide bombing across the world using children and mentally challenged to further the Christian agenda the press is not reporting it? I appreciate where the followers of Jesus are in minorities there are clashes but to compare it to the Islamic sickness is tantamount to comparing achne with the Bubonic plague
[quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: I still do not think British Muslims are cooperating with the security services here. E.G. | Cardiff parents apparently unaware their children are radicalized or even in the country. An Imam today in Cardiff said he KNEW of 8 young men who had gone to Syria to fight, but not told the police or anything. Another said every city in the UK with a Mosque was aware of young men going to Syria to fight. You can bet your life (And we probably are), they will come back here and cause mayhem. Another young Muslim said the only way to prevent or limit radicalization in Cardiff, was to close the Mosques. This religion closes ranks to protect their errant terrorist children, rather than come out and disown them, or report them. They are saying the mosques do not have radical preachers, Cardiff invited 3, all banned in other countries, Leicester /London 17 of them.... Why invite banned clerics to preach hate here ? Why is the border control letting them IN. They have no problem banning Asians..........The net is a prime area too, google/twitter/faceb ook etc have the power to zero these sites its madness to say they cannot because of free speech, ISIS and Al Qaeda will put that on their tombstone.[/p][/quote]No religion cooperates with the law. You mention Muslim Imams being aware of criminals but refusing to declare them. How many In the Catholic hierarchy were/are aware of child abusers within the set up but either refuse to reveal them or, even worse, move the offenders elsewhere to cover up the crime? Religion equals corruption, the only difference between Christianity and Islam is media bias.[/p][/quote]The bottom line as far as the Catholic church is concerned is that the priesthood is a very unnatural starting point any twenty four carat male knows exactly what I am saying , I would submit that the Catholic hierarchy have been **** in the same pot, As for media bias are you saying that Christians are suicide bombing across the world using children and mentally challenged to further the Christian agenda the press is not reporting it? I appreciate where the followers of Jesus are in minorities there are clashes but to compare it to the Islamic sickness is tantamount to comparing achne with the Bubonic plague coalpicker
  • Score: 4

9:25pm Tue 24 Jun 14

welshmen says...

In my opinion, Islam is not a Religion, it hides it self as one, but it is really and ideology, from birth to death their book instructs them, the Colonising of the host Country, being allowed because of the Democratic laws in our Country that's serves the Islamic cause, they can lie deceive no sin, the moderates wont do anything, they just give out the excuses, "this is not Islam" they are not true Muslims" Muslims must not kill one person" "they interpret the Qua'ran wrongly" listened to it all, all fed to us to fool us and up until now they were doing well, but the deception is starting to show on a weekly basis, they have on their side the good old PC laws, they are there to stop debate going against Islam.

Not many Imams understand their book, most Muslims just learn to recite their book as their Imams instruct, if a Muslim needs to know anything they ask the Imam, what the Imam tells him he is expected to believe, they are taught this from birth, ignorance is golden for Islam, the Qua'an is written in Arabic, so just reciting is not learning...

The Islamic Terrorism Cycle:
Proliferation of Salafi Islamic Ideology:

They use, 1/ Indoctrination Tactics,2/ Mental Perversions:
3/ the Hijab: 4/ also Anti-Western Propaganda:

5/ To make Passive Terrorists: 6/ who instigate Sharia Law: 7/ who are then Active Terrorists: 8/ then Terrorist Attacks: how far past this are we....

Some examples from the Quranic verses that jihadists employ to incite violence:
The infidels are your sworn enemies {Quran 4:101.}.

Make war on the infidels who dwell around you, {Quran 9:123.}.

When you meet the Infidels in the battlefield, strike off their heads:
{Quran) 47:4}.

Mohamed is Allah's apostle, Those who follow him are ruthless to the Infidels, {Quran 48:29}.

Prophet make war on the infidels, {Quran 66:9}.

Never be a helper to the disbelievers, {Quran 28:86}.

Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them, {Quran 2:191}.

these are taught to Muslims to make them Radicalised and ready for jihad....Taught in many Mosques in our Country....

mrleebob says:
" the only difference between Christianity and Islam is media bias".

WHO SHOULD BE ANGRY?

Who should be angry?
Should it be Muslims who kill innocents everywhere in the name of God?.

Or should it be....
....the Christians who saw their churches burnt by Muslims in Iraq and elsewhere?.
....the Jews who see their kids die in Pizza Parlors?.
....the Buddhists who saw their ancient statues of Bhudda destroyed by Taliban?.
....the Hindus who witnessed their most holy temple burnt to the ground at the hands of Muslims?.
....the Sikh, when Muslims burnt one of their gurus alive as he preached a message of peace and love ?.
....the Russians who lost their kids in the Beslan school massacre?.

Who should be angry?
The Muslims who bless such evil terrorism by their deafening silence against it?.....



Muslims need to act and get their Imams sorted other wise nothing will change, being tolerant of the intolerant is over....
In my opinion, Islam is not a Religion, it hides it self as one, but it is really and ideology, from birth to death their book instructs them, the Colonising of the host Country, being allowed because of the Democratic laws in our Country that's serves the Islamic cause, they can lie deceive no sin, the moderates wont do anything, they just give out the excuses, "this is not Islam" they are not true Muslims" Muslims must not kill one person" "they interpret the Qua'ran wrongly" listened to it all, all fed to us to fool us and up until now they were doing well, but the deception is starting to show on a weekly basis, they have on their side the good old PC laws, they are there to stop debate going against Islam. Not many Imams understand their book, most Muslims just learn to recite their book as their Imams instruct, if a Muslim needs to know anything they ask the Imam, what the Imam tells him he is expected to believe, they are taught this from birth, ignorance is golden for Islam, the Qua'an is written in Arabic, so just reciting is not learning... The Islamic Terrorism Cycle: Proliferation of Salafi Islamic Ideology: They use, 1/ Indoctrination Tactics,2/ Mental Perversions: 3/ the Hijab: 4/ also Anti-Western Propaganda: 5/ To make Passive Terrorists: 6/ who instigate Sharia Law: 7/ who are then Active Terrorists: 8/ then Terrorist Attacks: how far past this are we.... Some examples from the Quranic verses that jihadists employ to incite violence: The infidels are your sworn enemies {Quran 4:101.}. Make war on the infidels who dwell around you, {Quran 9:123.}. When you meet the Infidels in the battlefield, strike off their heads: {Quran) 47:4}. Mohamed is Allah's apostle, Those who follow him are ruthless to the Infidels, {Quran 48:29}. Prophet make war on the infidels, {Quran 66:9}. Never be a helper to the disbelievers, {Quran 28:86}. Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them, {Quran 2:191}. these are taught to Muslims to make them Radicalised and ready for jihad....Taught in many Mosques in our Country.... mrleebob says: " the only difference between Christianity and Islam is media bias". WHO SHOULD BE ANGRY? Who should be angry? Should it be Muslims who kill innocents everywhere in the name of God?. Or should it be.... ....the Christians who saw their churches burnt by Muslims in Iraq and elsewhere?. ....the Jews who see their kids die in Pizza Parlors?. ....the Buddhists who saw their ancient statues of Bhudda destroyed by Taliban?. ....the Hindus who witnessed their most holy temple burnt to the ground at the hands of Muslims?. ....the Sikh, when Muslims burnt one of their gurus alive as he preached a message of peace and love ?. ....the Russians who lost their kids in the Beslan school massacre?. Who should be angry? The Muslims who bless such evil terrorism by their deafening silence against it?..... Muslims need to act and get their Imams sorted other wise nothing will change, being tolerant of the intolerant is over.... welshmen
  • Score: 7

9:29am Wed 25 Jun 14

-trigg- says...

We need to avoid judging all muslims on the basis of a small group of extremists, in the same way that we need to avoid judging all christians on the basis of the Westboro Baptist church, or all Catholics on the actions of a few peadophile priests
We need to avoid judging all muslims on the basis of a small group of extremists, in the same way that we need to avoid judging all christians on the basis of the Westboro Baptist church, or all Catholics on the actions of a few peadophile priests -trigg-
  • Score: -2

12:40pm Wed 25 Jun 14

ollie72 says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote: The best and most effective way to tackle religious extremism is to recognise that there are extremists in all religions. To that end there is no need to enact discriminatory policies against one religion. All that needs to be done is to crack down hard on ALL religious extremists and to ban religious schools altogether. All they do is create further divisions in society as do single-sex schools and private schools which should also be banned. Everybody will be treated the same - so no discrimination. Also, when we have a government that seeks to appease religious fundamentalists by exempting them from carrying out same-sex marriage ceremonies is it any wonder that such homophobic, transphobic and misogynistic bigots are thriving in the secular state that Britain is supposed to be? Since religions are predicated on the idea that if someone does not believe exactly the same as its adherants then they will burn in hell for eternity, I really find it hard to understand as a non-religious person how this does not make religions hate organisations?
No, the way you deal with a threat to freedom isn't *BAN EVERYTHING* because that just drives it underground and makes it harder to monitor. If you're worried about religious extremism (or in fact any other sort of extremism) the best way to deal with it is to expose it to the light, expose it to scrutiny, let people see it for what it is. Hiding it away does not solve the problem it makes it worse.
Very hard to comment on this without sounding like either an apologist or an anti-Islam bigot, but I have to agree with the above.

rather than let the idiot radical imams with their hateful message proliferate in the shadows, call them out - ask them to debate live with the moderate muslim majority, so their message can be torn apart.

The way that teens are being radicalised is that the imams they are brought up to respect are taking verses from the Quran out of context to prove a point - Christian extremists have done the same thing for years to prove ideologies.

Of course, as a committed atheist, the answer is simple - ban all religion...
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: The best and most effective way to tackle religious extremism is to recognise that there are extremists in all religions. To that end there is no need to enact discriminatory policies against one religion. All that needs to be done is to crack down hard on ALL religious extremists and to ban religious schools altogether. All they do is create further divisions in society as do single-sex schools and private schools which should also be banned. Everybody will be treated the same - so no discrimination. Also, when we have a government that seeks to appease religious fundamentalists by exempting them from carrying out same-sex marriage ceremonies is it any wonder that such homophobic, transphobic and misogynistic bigots are thriving in the secular state that Britain is supposed to be? Since religions are predicated on the idea that if someone does not believe exactly the same as its adherants then they will burn in hell for eternity, I really find it hard to understand as a non-religious person how this does not make religions hate organisations?[/p][/quote]No, the way you deal with a threat to freedom isn't *BAN EVERYTHING* because that just drives it underground and makes it harder to monitor. If you're worried about religious extremism (or in fact any other sort of extremism) the best way to deal with it is to expose it to the light, expose it to scrutiny, let people see it for what it is. Hiding it away does not solve the problem it makes it worse.[/p][/quote]Very hard to comment on this without sounding like either an apologist or an anti-Islam bigot, but I have to agree with the above. rather than let the idiot radical imams with their hateful message proliferate in the shadows, call them out - ask them to debate live with the moderate muslim majority, so their message can be torn apart. The way that teens are being radicalised is that the imams they are brought up to respect are taking verses from the Quran out of context to prove a point - Christian extremists have done the same thing for years to prove ideologies. Of course, as a committed atheist, the answer is simple - ban all religion... ollie72
  • Score: 1

1:13pm Wed 25 Jun 14

varteg1 says...

-trigg- wrote:
We need to avoid judging all muslims on the basis of a small group of extremists, in the same way that we need to avoid judging all christians on the basis of the Westboro Baptist church, or all Catholics on the actions of a few peadophile priests
You are blind to the facts.

ALL Muslims are required, on pain of death should they actually refuse, to abide by the teachings of Mohammad, and the later pronouncements of the successors of him , the supposed erudite Islamic scholars who have over the centuries produced the Hadith.

We are in effect back to burning at the stake anyone who fails to heed and abide by the hierarchy of the RC Church, which centuries of resistance has reduced to impotency.

The fact is we are dealing with a whole community that is brainwashed, indoctrinated, and the militants within that community constantly make sure the whole lot comply....or else.

So far our police, and no doubt security services, have contained the ambitions of the militants, but to allow them to return, battle trained, into this country will be an act of utter folly and potentially treason by the political leadership of Britain.

On coming and future generations may well look back and wonder, if the Imams let them, how it was we docilely handed over the UK, and maybe Europe, to such a all embracing and destructive force as is Islam.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: We need to avoid judging all muslims on the basis of a small group of extremists, in the same way that we need to avoid judging all christians on the basis of the Westboro Baptist church, or all Catholics on the actions of a few peadophile priests[/p][/quote]You are blind to the facts. ALL Muslims are required, on pain of death should they actually refuse, to abide by the teachings of Mohammad, and the later pronouncements of the successors of him , the supposed erudite Islamic scholars who have over the centuries produced the Hadith. We are in effect back to burning at the stake anyone who fails to heed and abide by the hierarchy of the RC Church, which centuries of resistance has reduced to impotency. The fact is we are dealing with a whole community that is brainwashed, indoctrinated, and the militants within that community constantly make sure the whole lot comply....or else. So far our police, and no doubt security services, have contained the ambitions of the militants, but to allow them to return, battle trained, into this country will be an act of utter folly and potentially treason by the political leadership of Britain. On coming and future generations may well look back and wonder, if the Imams let them, how it was we docilely handed over the UK, and maybe Europe, to such a all embracing and destructive force as is Islam. varteg1
  • Score: 4

2:00pm Wed 25 Jun 14

coalpicker says...

varteg1 wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
We need to avoid judging all muslims on the basis of a small group of extremists, in the same way that we need to avoid judging all christians on the basis of the Westboro Baptist church, or all Catholics on the actions of a few peadophile priests
You are blind to the facts.

ALL Muslims are required, on pain of death should they actually refuse, to abide by the teachings of Mohammad, and the later pronouncements of the successors of him , the supposed erudite Islamic scholars who have over the centuries produced the Hadith.

We are in effect back to burning at the stake anyone who fails to heed and abide by the hierarchy of the RC Church, which centuries of resistance has reduced to impotency.

The fact is we are dealing with a whole community that is brainwashed, indoctrinated, and the militants within that community constantly make sure the whole lot comply....or else.

So far our police, and no doubt security services, have contained the ambitions of the militants, but to allow them to return, battle trained, into this country will be an act of utter folly and potentially treason by the political leadership of Britain.

On coming and future generations may well look back and wonder, if the Imams let them, how it was we docilely handed over the UK, and maybe Europe, to such a all embracing and destructive force as is Islam.
I may not agree with you on some things but you are right on the button with this.I was particularly intrigued by your post some time ago regarding Vladimir Putin's submission to the Russian parliament which is the attitude
every head of state should make regarding this issue. Our leaders are being cowardly and the British people will pay the price which will be a very heavy one.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: We need to avoid judging all muslims on the basis of a small group of extremists, in the same way that we need to avoid judging all christians on the basis of the Westboro Baptist church, or all Catholics on the actions of a few peadophile priests[/p][/quote]You are blind to the facts. ALL Muslims are required, on pain of death should they actually refuse, to abide by the teachings of Mohammad, and the later pronouncements of the successors of him , the supposed erudite Islamic scholars who have over the centuries produced the Hadith. We are in effect back to burning at the stake anyone who fails to heed and abide by the hierarchy of the RC Church, which centuries of resistance has reduced to impotency. The fact is we are dealing with a whole community that is brainwashed, indoctrinated, and the militants within that community constantly make sure the whole lot comply....or else. So far our police, and no doubt security services, have contained the ambitions of the militants, but to allow them to return, battle trained, into this country will be an act of utter folly and potentially treason by the political leadership of Britain. On coming and future generations may well look back and wonder, if the Imams let them, how it was we docilely handed over the UK, and maybe Europe, to such a all embracing and destructive force as is Islam.[/p][/quote]I may not agree with you on some things but you are right on the button with this.I was particularly intrigued by your post some time ago regarding Vladimir Putin's submission to the Russian parliament which is the attitude every head of state should make regarding this issue. Our leaders are being cowardly and the British people will pay the price which will be a very heavy one. coalpicker
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8:19pm Fri 27 Jun 14

taffymark says...

welshmen wrote:
In my opinion, Islam is not a Religion, it hides it self as one, but it is really and ideology, from birth to death their book instructs them, the Colonising of the host Country, being allowed because of the Democratic laws in our Country that's serves the Islamic cause, they can lie deceive no sin, the moderates wont do anything, they just give out the excuses, "this is not Islam" they are not true Muslims" Muslims must not kill one person" "they interpret the Qua'ran wrongly" listened to it all, all fed to us to fool us and up until now they were doing well, but the deception is starting to show on a weekly basis, they have on their side the good old PC laws, they are there to stop debate going against Islam.

Not many Imams understand their book, most Muslims just learn to recite their book as their Imams instruct, if a Muslim needs to know anything they ask the Imam, what the Imam tells him he is expected to believe, they are taught this from birth, ignorance is golden for Islam, the Qua'an is written in Arabic, so just reciting is not learning...

The Islamic Terrorism Cycle:
Proliferation of Salafi Islamic Ideology:

They use, 1/ Indoctrination Tactics,2/ Mental Perversions:
3/ the Hijab: 4/ also Anti-Western Propaganda:

5/ To make Passive Terrorists: 6/ who instigate Sharia Law: 7/ who are then Active Terrorists: 8/ then Terrorist Attacks: how far past this are we....

Some examples from the Quranic verses that jihadists employ to incite violence:
The infidels are your sworn enemies {Quran 4:101.}.

Make war on the infidels who dwell around you, {Quran 9:123.}.

When you meet the Infidels in the battlefield, strike off their heads:
{Quran) 47:4}.

Mohamed is Allah's apostle, Those who follow him are ruthless to the Infidels, {Quran 48:29}.

Prophet make war on the infidels, {Quran 66:9}.

Never be a helper to the disbelievers, {Quran 28:86}.

Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them, {Quran 2:191}.

these are taught to Muslims to make them Radicalised and ready for jihad....Taught in many Mosques in our Country....

mrleebob says:
" the only difference between Christianity and Islam is media bias".

WHO SHOULD BE ANGRY?

Who should be angry?
Should it be Muslims who kill innocents everywhere in the name of God?.

Or should it be....
....the Christians who saw their churches burnt by Muslims in Iraq and elsewhere?.
....the Jews who see their kids die in Pizza Parlors?.
....the Buddhists who saw their ancient statues of Bhudda destroyed by Taliban?.
....the Hindus who witnessed their most holy temple burnt to the ground at the hands of Muslims?.
....the Sikh, when Muslims burnt one of their gurus alive as he preached a message of peace and love ?.
....the Russians who lost their kids in the Beslan school massacre?.

Who should be angry?
The Muslims who bless such evil terrorism by their deafening silence against it?.....



Muslims need to act and get their Imams sorted other wise nothing will change, being tolerant of the intolerant is over....
My sentiments exactly, very good comment.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: In my opinion, Islam is not a Religion, it hides it self as one, but it is really and ideology, from birth to death their book instructs them, the Colonising of the host Country, being allowed because of the Democratic laws in our Country that's serves the Islamic cause, they can lie deceive no sin, the moderates wont do anything, they just give out the excuses, "this is not Islam" they are not true Muslims" Muslims must not kill one person" "they interpret the Qua'ran wrongly" listened to it all, all fed to us to fool us and up until now they were doing well, but the deception is starting to show on a weekly basis, they have on their side the good old PC laws, they are there to stop debate going against Islam. Not many Imams understand their book, most Muslims just learn to recite their book as their Imams instruct, if a Muslim needs to know anything they ask the Imam, what the Imam tells him he is expected to believe, they are taught this from birth, ignorance is golden for Islam, the Qua'an is written in Arabic, so just reciting is not learning... The Islamic Terrorism Cycle: Proliferation of Salafi Islamic Ideology: They use, 1/ Indoctrination Tactics,2/ Mental Perversions: 3/ the Hijab: 4/ also Anti-Western Propaganda: 5/ To make Passive Terrorists: 6/ who instigate Sharia Law: 7/ who are then Active Terrorists: 8/ then Terrorist Attacks: how far past this are we.... Some examples from the Quranic verses that jihadists employ to incite violence: The infidels are your sworn enemies {Quran 4:101.}. Make war on the infidels who dwell around you, {Quran 9:123.}. When you meet the Infidels in the battlefield, strike off their heads: {Quran) 47:4}. Mohamed is Allah's apostle, Those who follow him are ruthless to the Infidels, {Quran 48:29}. Prophet make war on the infidels, {Quran 66:9}. Never be a helper to the disbelievers, {Quran 28:86}. Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them, {Quran 2:191}. these are taught to Muslims to make them Radicalised and ready for jihad....Taught in many Mosques in our Country.... mrleebob says: " the only difference between Christianity and Islam is media bias". WHO SHOULD BE ANGRY? Who should be angry? Should it be Muslims who kill innocents everywhere in the name of God?. Or should it be.... ....the Christians who saw their churches burnt by Muslims in Iraq and elsewhere?. ....the Jews who see their kids die in Pizza Parlors?. ....the Buddhists who saw their ancient statues of Bhudda destroyed by Taliban?. ....the Hindus who witnessed their most holy temple burnt to the ground at the hands of Muslims?. ....the Sikh, when Muslims burnt one of their gurus alive as he preached a message of peace and love ?. ....the Russians who lost their kids in the Beslan school massacre?. Who should be angry? The Muslims who bless such evil terrorism by their deafening silence against it?..... Muslims need to act and get their Imams sorted other wise nothing will change, being tolerant of the intolerant is over....[/p][/quote]My sentiments exactly, very good comment. taffymark
  • Score: 5

2:18pm Sun 29 Jun 14

bettysenior says...

50% at least of radicalisation is a symptom of a society and the inequality that prevails.

Until political leaders start pandering to the universal and pluralistic wishes of the people and their goodwill and not the mighty corporations, radicalisation of the young will continue. Inequality is a major driver of extremism and politicians and big business ignite this fuse with the secret deals that they create - the TTIP (The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) is a prime example of this if it goes through with their secret negotiation meetings and secret courts once in place. The people of the EU and the USA will have no say and where the TTIP courts will overrule sovereign laws of both EU nations and the USA.

http://worldinnovati
onfoundation.blogspo
t.co.uk/2014/06/radi
calisation-of-west-b
y-islam-and.html

You could not make it up if you tried but where this will become to be fact and where you can definitely say goodbye to the NHS if the TTIP so-called trade agreement goes through. Note how Cameron could not get his way and where he and all other political leaders (including Labour) have signed up to the TTIP.
50% at least of radicalisation is a symptom of a society and the inequality that prevails. Until political leaders start pandering to the universal and pluralistic wishes of the people and their goodwill and not the mighty corporations, radicalisation of the young will continue. Inequality is a major driver of extremism and politicians and big business ignite this fuse with the secret deals that they create - the TTIP (The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) is a prime example of this if it goes through with their secret negotiation meetings and secret courts once in place. The people of the EU and the USA will have no say and where the TTIP courts will overrule sovereign laws of both EU nations and the USA. http://worldinnovati onfoundation.blogspo t.co.uk/2014/06/radi calisation-of-west-b y-islam-and.html You could not make it up if you tried but where this will become to be fact and where you can definitely say goodbye to the NHS if the TTIP so-called trade agreement goes through. Note how Cameron could not get his way and where he and all other political leaders (including Labour) have signed up to the TTIP. bettysenior
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