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UKIP’S new Welsh MEP Nathan Gill is facing criticism after confirming he employed “dozens” of east European and Filipino workers in a care company. Mr Gill was a director of a number of family businesses that provided care services to Hull City Council.

Labour MP Peter Hain accused him of “bare-faced hypocrisy” and called on him to apologise. But Mr Gill insisted: “UKIP has never said it wants to stop all immigration – it wants to limit the numbers.” He said people from overseas were employed “because we could not find workers to do the jobs”.

“The workers were paid more than the minimum wage, but not massively more. “The amount we could afford to pay was determined by the amount of money we received from the council. “Working in care is quite tough and we had a big turnover of staff.” He said the workers came from new EU countries such as Poland and others were from the Philippines. So basically employing cheap labour to reduce the wage bill and increase company profits.

Andrew Nutt Heolddu Road, Bargoed

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3:21pm Thu 3 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Come on now Cllr Nutt. Has Plaid really got nothing better to comment on so you have to revert to something that has been discussed at length several weeks ago? Boring and predictable both at the same time.
Come on now Cllr Nutt. Has Plaid really got nothing better to comment on so you have to revert to something that has been discussed at length several weeks ago? Boring and predictable both at the same time. landyman3030
  • Score: 10

10:53pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. So He employed legal migrants, He paid them above the minimum wage as well. What exactly is the problem you have with that?

Yes UKIP is against mass uncontrolled migration and would if elected implement a points based migration system. It would though not affect anyone already legally in the UK and without having a serious criminal nrecord
A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. So He employed legal migrants, He paid them above the minimum wage as well. What exactly is the problem you have with that? Yes UKIP is against mass uncontrolled migration and would if elected implement a points based migration system. It would though not affect anyone already legally in the UK and without having a serious criminal nrecord Bobevans
  • Score: 3

11:07pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mr Nutt is hilarious. This Plaid 'nutter' never comments on his party's support for more immigration into Wales. Or is he out of step with that other Plaid loony, MEP Jill Evans? Full story here: http://www.walesonli
ne.co.uk/news/wales-
news/plaid-cymru-wan
t-wales-say-6737031
Mr Nutt is hilarious. This Plaid 'nutter' never comments on his party's support for more immigration into Wales. Or is he out of step with that other Plaid loony, MEP Jill Evans? Full story here: http://www.walesonli ne.co.uk/news/wales- news/plaid-cymru-wan t-wales-say-6737031 Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

8:12am Fri 4 Jul 14

Bill Chapman says...

This is a serious, even shocking, story. If Nathan Gill were a decent man, he would resign.
This is a serious, even shocking, story. If Nathan Gill were a decent man, he would resign. Bill Chapman
  • Score: -5

10:15am Fri 4 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Bill Chapman wrote:
This is a serious, even shocking, story. If Nathan Gill were a decent man, he would resign.
This is no where as serious or shocking as many other stories published about politicians over the several weeks since this first came out.
If we called for the resignation of every politician who had been involved in a family business where they had provided employment to legal immigrants willing to work and pay their way at over and above the basic rate......hang on, are there any others?
I fail to see what he has done wrong and by CLLR Nutt dredging this up again shows how weak a case Plaid have against UKIP.
He might spend his time better pretending to deal with issues closer to home and at least wait until UKIP have displayed their manifesto before jumping on the bashing bandwagon.
He may also have the decency to announce his title of office when he writes in to the media so people are fully aware of who the organ grinder actually is. Otherwise it may be construed as a personal opinion not in conjunction with the party line and look where that has got a certain individual this week. Transparency CLLR Nutt, transparency.....
[quote][p][bold]Bill Chapman[/bold] wrote: This is a serious, even shocking, story. If Nathan Gill were a decent man, he would resign.[/p][/quote]This is no where as serious or shocking as many other stories published about politicians over the several weeks since this first came out. If we called for the resignation of every politician who had been involved in a family business where they had provided employment to legal immigrants willing to work and pay their way at over and above the basic rate......hang on, are there any others? I fail to see what he has done wrong and by CLLR Nutt dredging this up again shows how weak a case Plaid have against UKIP. He might spend his time better pretending to deal with issues closer to home and at least wait until UKIP have displayed their manifesto before jumping on the bashing bandwagon. He may also have the decency to announce his title of office when he writes in to the media so people are fully aware of who the organ grinder actually is. Otherwise it may be construed as a personal opinion not in conjunction with the party line and look where that has got a certain individual this week. Transparency CLLR Nutt, transparency..... landyman3030
  • Score: 7

12:22pm Fri 4 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

UKIP say one thing and do the opposite. Wales have used foreign via sport, NHS, building trade, social services. Wales was built on foreign workers from the Irish and farming areas to work in the mines, or the use of Polish miners after the war. Foreigners help defend this island and the British Empire. UKIP is not going to stop more non Welsh coming into Wales. What Wales should do is ensure a well educated workforce for the modern world. There are hundreds of companies in Wales owned by foreign owners who employ thousands of Welsh workforce. They use the link with the EU for trade.
UKIP say one thing and do the opposite. Wales have used foreign via sport, NHS, building trade, social services. Wales was built on foreign workers from the Irish and farming areas to work in the mines, or the use of Polish miners after the war. Foreigners help defend this island and the British Empire. UKIP is not going to stop more non Welsh coming into Wales. What Wales should do is ensure a well educated workforce for the modern world. There are hundreds of companies in Wales owned by foreign owners who employ thousands of Welsh workforce. They use the link with the EU for trade. pwlldu
  • Score: 4

12:26pm Fri 4 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

UKIP IS A BUNCH OF ONE POLICY PARTY RUN BY NUTTERS.
UKIP IS A BUNCH OF ONE POLICY PARTY RUN BY NUTTERS. pwlldu
  • Score: -4

2:53pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
UKIP IS A BUNCH OF ONE POLICY PARTY RUN BY NUTTERS.
And Plaid differ how exactly? They are obsessed with creating a country where one doesn't exist and forcing separatism down everyone's throat.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: UKIP IS A BUNCH OF ONE POLICY PARTY RUN BY NUTTERS.[/p][/quote]And Plaid differ how exactly? They are obsessed with creating a country where one doesn't exist and forcing separatism down everyone's throat. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 7

4:00pm Fri 4 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

pwlldu wrote:
UKIP say one thing and do the opposite. Wales have used foreign via sport, NHS, building trade, social services. Wales was built on foreign workers from the Irish and farming areas to work in the mines, or the use of Polish miners after the war. Foreigners help defend this island and the British Empire. UKIP is not going to stop more non Welsh coming into Wales. What Wales should do is ensure a well educated workforce for the modern world. There are hundreds of companies in Wales owned by foreign owners who employ thousands of Welsh workforce. They use the link with the EU for trade.
Cross migration has been happening since Captain Caveman was around. That is how the world has evolved over millions of years. I'm not against people moving here and working proper jobs to enable our economy to grow. I'm against the UK being forced to accept the blind, mass migration of millions of people who come here with their hand out. UKIP may not be perfect but then, hey, how do you know?
Until i've seen the manifesto for the general elections layed out, i reserve judgement. All i know is UKIP have got more in common with my beliefs then LabConLib have ever had.
I''l wholeheartedly agree with you that we in Wales should be educating a modern workforce ready for a modern world.
So how do we get to that halcyon stage when Carwyn and the Crazy Gang force our children to learn a DYING language which is paid for out of EU funds. This must be the base for the funding because Carwyn says the nasty UK government are giving him less pocket money to play with every year, yet Welsh Language funding is on the increase. 4 billion a year off the EU must go a long way.
But i digress. Keep to the original post content.
Boring letter Cllr Nutt. Come on Plaid...do keep up.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: UKIP say one thing and do the opposite. Wales have used foreign via sport, NHS, building trade, social services. Wales was built on foreign workers from the Irish and farming areas to work in the mines, or the use of Polish miners after the war. Foreigners help defend this island and the British Empire. UKIP is not going to stop more non Welsh coming into Wales. What Wales should do is ensure a well educated workforce for the modern world. There are hundreds of companies in Wales owned by foreign owners who employ thousands of Welsh workforce. They use the link with the EU for trade.[/p][/quote]Cross migration has been happening since Captain Caveman was around. That is how the world has evolved over millions of years. I'm not against people moving here and working proper jobs to enable our economy to grow. I'm against the UK being forced to accept the blind, mass migration of millions of people who come here with their hand out. UKIP may not be perfect but then, hey, how do you know? Until i've seen the manifesto for the general elections layed out, i reserve judgement. All i know is UKIP have got more in common with my beliefs then LabConLib have ever had. I''l wholeheartedly agree with you that we in Wales should be educating a modern workforce ready for a modern world. So how do we get to that halcyon stage when Carwyn and the Crazy Gang force our children to learn a DYING language which is paid for out of EU funds. This must be the base for the funding because Carwyn says the nasty UK government are giving him less pocket money to play with every year, yet Welsh Language funding is on the increase. 4 billion a year off the EU must go a long way. But i digress. Keep to the original post content. Boring letter Cllr Nutt. Come on Plaid...do keep up. landyman3030
  • Score: 8

8:24pm Fri 4 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

UKIP MEP's will be using their EU money to help fund their General Election campaigns next year. So how are they fighting for the UK, when they will be campaigning in a selected area. Llanmartinangel says... Wales is a country before English/Saxon/Norman kings conquered Wales, Scotland and Ireland, while UK is an oppressed state. UKIP are a bunch of Tories and when the Tory party change their policies UKIP members and voters will soon drip back to the Tory party.
UKIP MEP's will be using their EU money to help fund their General Election campaigns next year. So how are they fighting for the UK, when they will be campaigning in a selected area. Llanmartinangel says... Wales is a country before English/Saxon/Norman kings conquered Wales, Scotland and Ireland, while UK is an oppressed state. UKIP are a bunch of Tories and when the Tory party change their policies UKIP members and voters will soon drip back to the Tory party. pwlldu
  • Score: -4

8:27pm Fri 4 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

landyman3030 says... I think you should keep up Mr Nutt hasn't been a councillor for over 10 years.
landyman3030 says... I think you should keep up Mr Nutt hasn't been a councillor for over 10 years. pwlldu
  • Score: -2

9:25am Sat 5 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
UKIP MEP's will be using their EU money to help fund their General Election campaigns next year. So how are they fighting for the UK, when they will be campaigning in a selected area. Llanmartinangel says... Wales is a country before English/Saxon/Norman kings conquered Wales, Scotland and Ireland, while UK is an oppressed state. UKIP are a bunch of Tories and when the Tory party change their policies UKIP members and voters will soon drip back to the Tory party.
' Wales is a country before English/Saxon/Norman kings conquered Wales'

Let me get this right, you want to re-draw the World's borders to those of a thousand years back? And you think UKIP are nutters? You aren't helping your own cause here.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: UKIP MEP's will be using their EU money to help fund their General Election campaigns next year. So how are they fighting for the UK, when they will be campaigning in a selected area. Llanmartinangel says... Wales is a country before English/Saxon/Norman kings conquered Wales, Scotland and Ireland, while UK is an oppressed state. UKIP are a bunch of Tories and when the Tory party change their policies UKIP members and voters will soon drip back to the Tory party.[/p][/quote]' Wales is a country before English/Saxon/Norman kings conquered Wales' Let me get this right, you want to re-draw the World's borders to those of a thousand years back? And you think UKIP are nutters? You aren't helping your own cause here. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

10:49am Sat 5 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

Llanmartinangel says...■Since 1990 over 30 new countries have been added to the world map. ...
■South Sudan is all set to become the world's newest country on July 9, 2011 following a referendum held from January 9-15, 2011.
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Fifteen new countries became independent with the dissolution of the USSR in 1991. Most of these countries declared independence a few months preceding the fall of the Soviet Union in late 1991.
1.Armenia
2.Azerbaijan
3.Belarus
4.Estonia
5.Georgia
6.Kazakhstan
7.Kyrgyzstan
8.Latvia
9.Lithuania
10.Moldova
11.Russia
12.Tajikistan
13.Turkmenistan
14.Ukraine
15.Uzbekistan
Former Yugoslavia
Yugoslavia dissolved in the early 1990s into five independent countries.
1. Bosnia and Herzegovina, February 29, 1992
2. Croatia, June 25, 1991
3. Macedonia (officially The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) declared independence on September 8, 1991 but wasn't recognized by the United Nations until 1993 and the United States and Russia in February of 1994
4. Serbia and Montenegro, (also known as the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia), April 17, 1992 (see below for separate Serbia and Montenegro entries)
5. Slovenia, June 25, 1991
So why not add Wales, Scotland and the whole of Ireland onto the list?
Llanmartinangel says...■Since 1990 over 30 new countries have been added to the world map. ... ■South Sudan is all set to become the world's newest country on July 9, 2011 following a referendum held from January 9-15, 2011. Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Fifteen new countries became independent with the dissolution of the USSR in 1991. Most of these countries declared independence a few months preceding the fall of the Soviet Union in late 1991. 1.Armenia 2.Azerbaijan 3.Belarus 4.Estonia 5.Georgia 6.Kazakhstan 7.Kyrgyzstan 8.Latvia 9.Lithuania 10.Moldova 11.Russia 12.Tajikistan 13.Turkmenistan 14.Ukraine 15.Uzbekistan Former Yugoslavia Yugoslavia dissolved in the early 1990s into five independent countries. 1. Bosnia and Herzegovina, February 29, 1992 2. Croatia, June 25, 1991 3. Macedonia (officially The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) declared independence on September 8, 1991 but wasn't recognized by the United Nations until 1993 and the United States and Russia in February of 1994 4. Serbia and Montenegro, (also known as the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia), April 17, 1992 (see below for separate Serbia and Montenegro entries) 5. Slovenia, June 25, 1991 So why not add Wales, Scotland and the whole of Ireland onto the list? pwlldu
  • Score: -1

2:23pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Llanmartinangel says...■Since 1990 over 30 new countries have been added to the world map. ...
■South Sudan is all set to become the world's newest country on July 9, 2011 following a referendum held from January 9-15, 2011.
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Fifteen new countries became independent with the dissolution of the USSR in 1991. Most of these countries declared independence a few months preceding the fall of the Soviet Union in late 1991.
1.Armenia
2.Azerbaijan
3.Belarus
4.Estonia
5.Georgia
6.Kazakhstan
7.Kyrgyzstan
8.Latvia
9.Lithuania
10.Moldova
11.Russia
12.Tajikistan
13.Turkmenistan
14.Ukraine
15.Uzbekistan
Former Yugoslavia
Yugoslavia dissolved in the early 1990s into five independent countries.
1. Bosnia and Herzegovina, February 29, 1992
2. Croatia, June 25, 1991
3. Macedonia (officially The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) declared independence on September 8, 1991 but wasn't recognized by the United Nations until 1993 and the United States and Russia in February of 1994
4. Serbia and Montenegro, (also known as the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia), April 17, 1992 (see below for separate Serbia and Montenegro entries)
5. Slovenia, June 25, 1991
So why not add Wales, Scotland and the whole of Ireland onto the list?
Well I'm not sure what that has to do with the Norman conquest but hey. So, why not a country of Cornwall, Yorkshire, or West Sussex as well? Because there is neither pressing need not advantage from doing it. And where would this Welsh border be drawn? Much like devolution, all the counties of the East of what is deemed Wales would be seriously naffed off. Would you support a ballot on Newport & Mons rejoining England then? If not well your democratic credentials are shot.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel says...■Since 1990 over 30 new countries have been added to the world map. ... ■South Sudan is all set to become the world's newest country on July 9, 2011 following a referendum held from January 9-15, 2011. Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Fifteen new countries became independent with the dissolution of the USSR in 1991. Most of these countries declared independence a few months preceding the fall of the Soviet Union in late 1991. 1.Armenia 2.Azerbaijan 3.Belarus 4.Estonia 5.Georgia 6.Kazakhstan 7.Kyrgyzstan 8.Latvia 9.Lithuania 10.Moldova 11.Russia 12.Tajikistan 13.Turkmenistan 14.Ukraine 15.Uzbekistan Former Yugoslavia Yugoslavia dissolved in the early 1990s into five independent countries. 1. Bosnia and Herzegovina, February 29, 1992 2. Croatia, June 25, 1991 3. Macedonia (officially The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) declared independence on September 8, 1991 but wasn't recognized by the United Nations until 1993 and the United States and Russia in February of 1994 4. Serbia and Montenegro, (also known as the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia), April 17, 1992 (see below for separate Serbia and Montenegro entries) 5. Slovenia, June 25, 1991 So why not add Wales, Scotland and the whole of Ireland onto the list?[/p][/quote]Well I'm not sure what that has to do with the Norman conquest but hey. So, why not a country of Cornwall, Yorkshire, or West Sussex as well? Because there is neither pressing need not advantage from doing it. And where would this Welsh border be drawn? Much like devolution, all the counties of the East of what is deemed Wales would be seriously naffed off. Would you support a ballot on Newport & Mons rejoining England then? If not well your democratic credentials are shot. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

7:49pm Sat 5 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

During Saxon times England was divided into kingdoms. They looked to the West and called it Wales the land of the foreigners who also had various princes. So if the countries mentioned can gain independance. To quote Godfrey Bloom, the Ukip MEP “Bongo-Bongo land” so why can't Wales be recognized as a seperate country. The British nationalists will look to the EU as various areas of Spain and France will look to do the same. Newport & Mon is part of Wales so tough. UKIP don't like scrutiny of policies as they don't like it up them.
During Saxon times England was divided into kingdoms. They looked to the West and called it Wales the land of the foreigners who also had various princes. So if the countries mentioned can gain independance. To quote Godfrey Bloom, the Ukip MEP “Bongo-Bongo land” so why can't Wales be recognized as a seperate country. The British nationalists will look to the EU as various areas of Spain and France will look to do the same. Newport & Mon is part of Wales so tough. UKIP don't like scrutiny of policies as they don't like it up them. pwlldu
  • Score: -1

7:52pm Sat 5 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

England would't so great around the world, like GB without Wales, Scotland and Ireland.
England would't so great around the world, like GB without Wales, Scotland and Ireland. pwlldu
  • Score: 4

8:20pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
During Saxon times England was divided into kingdoms. They looked to the West and called it Wales the land of the foreigners who also had various princes. So if the countries mentioned can gain independance. To quote Godfrey Bloom, the Ukip MEP “Bongo-Bongo land” so why can't Wales be recognized as a seperate country. The British nationalists will look to the EU as various areas of Spain and France will look to do the same. Newport & Mon is part of Wales so tough. UKIP don't like scrutiny of policies as they don't like it up them.
I noticed you didn't answer the question. Should the more Anglisised parts of Wales join England and leave the Welsh thing to Cerredigion and the North? After all, they didn't vote for devolution and would never accept Welsh rule. You'd have to move your 'parliament' to Aberystwyth though. Another £700m to spend for you on some slate with windows.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: During Saxon times England was divided into kingdoms. They looked to the West and called it Wales the land of the foreigners who also had various princes. So if the countries mentioned can gain independance. To quote Godfrey Bloom, the Ukip MEP “Bongo-Bongo land” so why can't Wales be recognized as a seperate country. The British nationalists will look to the EU as various areas of Spain and France will look to do the same. Newport & Mon is part of Wales so tough. UKIP don't like scrutiny of policies as they don't like it up them.[/p][/quote]I noticed you didn't answer the question. Should the more Anglisised parts of Wales join England and leave the Welsh thing to Cerredigion and the North? After all, they didn't vote for devolution and would never accept Welsh rule. You'd have to move your 'parliament' to Aberystwyth though. Another £700m to spend for you on some slate with windows. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

10:10pm Sat 5 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

I noticed you didn't answer the question. Should the more Anglisised parts of Wales join England and leave the Welsh thing to Cerredigion and the North? After all, they didn't vote for devolution and would never accept Welsh rule. You'd have to move your 'parliament' to Aberystwyth though. Another £700m to spend for you on some slate with windows. NO JUST LIKE PARTS OF FRANCE, SPAIN AND OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE OAO'S HAVE RETIRED TO.
I noticed you didn't answer the question. Should the more Anglisised parts of Wales join England and leave the Welsh thing to Cerredigion and the North? After all, they didn't vote for devolution and would never accept Welsh rule. You'd have to move your 'parliament' to Aberystwyth though. Another £700m to spend for you on some slate with windows. NO JUST LIKE PARTS OF FRANCE, SPAIN AND OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE OAO'S HAVE RETIRED TO. pwlldu
  • Score: -1

10:12pm Sat 5 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

LETS TURN PARTS OF ENGLAND WELSH, POLISH, IRISH, SCOTTISH OR MUSLIM.
LETS TURN PARTS OF ENGLAND WELSH, POLISH, IRISH, SCOTTISH OR MUSLIM. pwlldu
  • Score: -2

10:18pm Sat 5 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

The people of Wales have a right to be governed by a government they elected. More people voted Labour than Tory like the 1980's Wales never voted for a Tory government. Like it or not the people voted for the Welsh assembly and then more powers. If you don't like it, you are free to live in free England. Or can't you afford to
The people of Wales have a right to be governed by a government they elected. More people voted Labour than Tory like the 1980's Wales never voted for a Tory government. Like it or not the people voted for the Welsh assembly and then more powers. If you don't like it, you are free to live in free England. Or can't you afford to pwlldu
  • Score: -3

10:35pm Sat 5 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

Wales (Listeni/ˈweɪlz/; Welsh: Cymru ( listen)) is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain, bordered by England to its east, the Irish Sea to its north and west, and the Bristol Channel to its south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline and is largely mountainous, with its highest peaks in the north and central areas, including Snowdon (Yr Wyddfa), its highest summit. The country lies within the north temperate zone and has a changeable, maritime climate.

Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations. Llywelyn ap Gruffudd's death in 1282 marked the completion of Edward I of England's conquest of Wales, though Owain Glyndŵr briefly restored independence to what was to become modern Wales, in the early 15th century. The whole of Wales was annexed by England and incorporated within the English legal system under the Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542.
Monmouth was a no mans land between England and Wales where both countries would fight on neutral ground.
Wales (Listeni/ˈweɪlz/; Welsh: Cymru [ˈkəm.rɨ] ( listen)) is a country that is part of the United Kingdom and the island of Great Britain,[6] bordered by England to its east, the Irish Sea to its north and west, and the Bristol Channel to its south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline and is largely mountainous, with its highest peaks in the north and central areas, including Snowdon (Yr Wyddfa), its highest summit. The country lies within the north temperate zone and has a changeable, maritime climate. Welsh national identity emerged among the Celtic Britons after the Roman withdrawal from Britain in the 5th century, and Wales is regarded as one of the modern Celtic nations. Llywelyn ap Gruffudd's death in 1282 marked the completion of Edward I of England's conquest of Wales, though Owain Glyndŵr briefly restored independence to what was to become modern Wales, in the early 15th century. The whole of Wales was annexed by England and incorporated within the English legal system under the Laws in Wales Acts 1535–1542. Monmouth was a no mans land between England and Wales where both countries would fight on neutral ground. pwlldu
  • Score: -2

10:43pm Sat 5 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

English independence is seen by its advocates as a way to resolve the West Lothian question in British politics: Scottish and Welsh MPs in the Parliament of the United Kingdom at Westminster can vote on matters affecting England, while English MPs do not have the same power over equivalent issues in Scotland or Wales, as these powers are devolved to the Scottish Parliament or the National Assembly for Wales.
English independence is seen by its advocates as a way to resolve the West Lothian question in British politics: Scottish and Welsh MPs in the Parliament of the United Kingdom at Westminster can vote on matters affecting England, while English MPs do not have the same power over equivalent issues in Scotland or Wales, as these powers are devolved to the Scottish Parliament or the National Assembly for Wales. pwlldu
  • Score: -1

2:16am Sun 6 Jul 14

Howie' says...

“ The fact that we did employ immigrants is leading to charges of hypocrisy. But Ukip has never said it wants to stop all immigration – it wants to limit the numbers.”

YES NATHAN EXACTLY...BUT YOU COULD HAVE LIMITED THE NUMBERS BY EMPLOYING BRITS.

This is not the first time Mr Gill has been accused of apparent hypocrisy. In an ITV debate in the run-up to the European elections he said that the poll was “not necessarily about sending people over to Brussels who are going to have a 100 per cent attendance record”.

His fellow MEP candidates questioned whether the people of Wales would be very happy that Ukip was saying: “Please vote for us – but we aren’t going to represent you by attending the EU.”

As for Bob Evans, the UKIP cheer leader.....A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. So He employed legal migrants, He paid them above the minimum wage as well. What exactly is the problem you have with that?

Umm, You Could Have Had A Brit for the same price ( You are against Immigration and foreigners taking Brits Jobs aren't you.)

Yes UKIP is against mass uncontrolled migration and would if elected implement a points based migration system.
“ The fact that we did employ immigrants is leading to charges of hypocrisy. But Ukip has never said it wants to stop all immigration – it wants to limit the numbers.” YES NATHAN EXACTLY...BUT YOU COULD HAVE LIMITED THE NUMBERS BY EMPLOYING BRITS. This is not the first time Mr Gill has been accused of apparent hypocrisy. In an ITV debate in the run-up to the European elections he said that the poll was “not necessarily about sending people over to Brussels who are going to have a 100 per cent attendance record”. His fellow MEP candidates questioned whether the people of Wales would be very happy that Ukip was saying: “Please vote for us – but we aren’t going to represent you by attending the EU.” As for Bob Evans, the UKIP cheer leader.....A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. So He employed legal migrants, He paid them above the minimum wage as well. What exactly is the problem you have with that? Umm, You Could Have Had A Brit for the same price ( You are against Immigration and foreigners taking Brits Jobs aren't you.) Yes UKIP is against mass uncontrolled migration and would if elected implement a points based migration system. Howie'
  • Score: 2

10:52am Sun 6 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

Howie' says... good use of names but its a very old joke and should grow up from school boy humour.
Howie' says... good use of names but its a very old joke and should grow up from school boy humour. pwlldu
  • Score: -4

11:03am Sun 6 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

The letter is do as I say but don't do what I do. UKIP many policy is reducing imigration, while providing jobs for non UK people. If there is a job then why not employ a UK people. remember the UKIP posters "26 million people in Europe are looking for work and whose jobs are they after" with a finger ointing to the UK public. Well it was correct with Nathan Gill MEP. The Tories and Labour handed contracts to foreign companies while British jobs was lost.
The letter is do as I say but don't do what I do. UKIP many policy is reducing imigration, while providing jobs for non UK people. If there is a job then why not employ a UK people. remember the UKIP posters "26 million people in Europe are looking for work and whose jobs are they after" with a finger ointing to the UK public. Well it was correct with Nathan Gill MEP. The Tories and Labour handed contracts to foreign companies while British jobs was lost. pwlldu
  • Score: 0

11:08am Sun 6 Jul 14

Howie' says...

pwlldu wrote:
Howie' says... good use of names but its a very old joke and should grow up from school boy humour.
I missed your point there pwlldu, can you explain, please?
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Howie' says... good use of names but its a very old joke and should grow up from school boy humour.[/p][/quote]I missed your point there pwlldu, can you explain, please? Howie'
  • Score: 0

4:40pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Howie' wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
Howie' says... good use of names but its a very old joke and should grow up from school boy humour.
I missed your point there pwlldu, can you explain, please?
You missed one of Pwlldu's points? How very odd. I'm not sure I ever got one.
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Howie' says... good use of names but its a very old joke and should grow up from school boy humour.[/p][/quote]I missed your point there pwlldu, can you explain, please?[/p][/quote]You missed one of Pwlldu's points? How very odd. I'm not sure I ever got one. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

8:30pm Sun 6 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

Howie A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. bit too hard for you to understand, says it all.
Howie A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. bit too hard for you to understand, says it all. pwlldu
  • Score: -2

8:32pm Sun 6 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

Llanmartinangel says... well understand this point you write rubbish.
Llanmartinangel says... well understand this point you write rubbish. pwlldu
  • Score: 1

10:31pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Llanmartinangel says... well understand this point you write rubbish.
I'll leave it to others to decide based on the text above.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel says... well understand this point you write rubbish.[/p][/quote]I'll leave it to others to decide based on the text above. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

10:53am Mon 7 Jul 14

Howie' says...

pwlldu wrote:
Howie A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. bit too hard for you to understand, says it all.
I was quoting Bob Evans comment and then gave my opinion in the next sentence.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Howie A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. bit too hard for you to understand, says it all.[/p][/quote]I was quoting Bob Evans comment and then gave my opinion in the next sentence. Howie'
  • Score: 0

7:53am Tue 8 Jul 14

Dai Rear says...

"So basically employing cheap labour to reduce the wage bill and increase company profits. "
Don't be too censorious about profits Mr N for, unless you're one of the amazingly privileged public sector employees you'll be looking to "company profits" to pay your pension one day, won't you? It's a bit problematic in the "care industry" isn't it, because every time you see care assistants entering court charged with using their charges as human footballs they tend to be the natives of this country, chav facelifts, morbid obesity and all. Sometimes you may be better off with the other lot-though the Polish ones tend to celebrate Christmas from 8am on the 25th and pass out before the old folk can enjoy their turkey. However we can all agree we don't need Roumanians selling the Big Issue or doing alterations to our electricity sub-stations, can't we?
"So basically employing cheap labour to reduce the wage bill and increase company profits. " Don't be too censorious about profits Mr N for, unless you're one of the amazingly privileged public sector employees you'll be looking to "company profits" to pay your pension one day, won't you? It's a bit problematic in the "care industry" isn't it, because every time you see care assistants entering court charged with using their charges as human footballs they tend to be the natives of this country, chav facelifts, morbid obesity and all. Sometimes you may be better off with the other lot-though the Polish ones tend to celebrate Christmas from 8am on the 25th and pass out before the old folk can enjoy their turkey. However we can all agree we don't need Roumanians selling the Big Issue or doing alterations to our electricity sub-stations, can't we? Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

12:01pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

Just to clarify. WE cannot legally discriminate against EU nationals in the UK. If they apply for a job they have to be considered on an equal basis with UK nationals
Just to clarify. WE cannot legally discriminate against EU nationals in the UK. If they apply for a job they have to be considered on an equal basis with UK nationals Bobevans
  • Score: 2

3:03pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Bobevans wrote:
Just to clarify. WE cannot legally discriminate against EU nationals in the UK. If they apply for a job they have to be considered on an equal basis with UK nationals
Absolutely.
And they do the jobs that our feckless work shy citizens won't do.
Although I don't agree with foreigners taking jobs, what alternative is there?
None of the hotels and catering establishments would be able to operate without foreign workers.
Unfortunately, our fellow countrymen have lost the work ethic and don't wish to do what they regard as menial jobs, and they are not in any meaningful way compelled to work by the government that strongly either.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify. WE cannot legally discriminate against EU nationals in the UK. If they apply for a job they have to be considered on an equal basis with UK nationals[/p][/quote]Absolutely. And they do the jobs that our feckless work shy citizens won't do. Although I don't agree with foreigners taking jobs, what alternative is there? None of the hotels and catering establishments would be able to operate without foreign workers. Unfortunately, our fellow countrymen have lost the work ethic and don't wish to do what they regard as menial jobs, and they are not in any meaningful way compelled to work by the government that strongly either. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 1

4:53pm Tue 8 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

Welsh news today. Another ten countries with a combined total of 90,000,000 population to apply to join the EU. They will have the same right as the 1,000,000 people ( official figures so you can usually triple them for the correct figure ) who are citizens working in the UK today.
Officials report that care must be taken not to allow too many in to UK as we are suffering with NHS and education after the latest influx.
BUT IF WE ARE IN THE EU WE MUST TAKE THEM. NO CHANCE OF SAYING NO.
Get out now.
Welsh news today. Another ten countries with a combined total of 90,000,000 population to apply to join the EU. They will have the same right as the 1,000,000 people ( official figures so you can usually triple them for the correct figure ) who are citizens working in the UK today. Officials report that care must be taken not to allow too many in to UK as we are suffering with NHS and education after the latest influx. BUT IF WE ARE IN THE EU WE MUST TAKE THEM. NO CHANCE OF SAYING NO. Get out now. landyman3030
  • Score: 1

4:57pm Tue 8 Jul 14

welshmen says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Just to clarify. WE cannot legally discriminate against EU nationals in the UK. If they apply for a job they have to be considered on an equal basis with UK nationals
Absolutely.
And they do the jobs that our feckless work shy citizens won't do.
Although I don't agree with foreigners taking jobs, what alternative is there?
None of the hotels and catering establishments would be able to operate without foreign workers.
Unfortunately, our fellow countrymen have lost the work ethic and don't wish to do what they regard as menial jobs, and they are not in any meaningful way compelled to work by the government that strongly either.
"None of the hotels and catering establishments would be able to operate without foreign workers. Unfortunately, our fellow countrymen have lost the work ethic and don't wish to do what they regard as menial jobs."

And your evidence is? or do you just keep on discriminating about work ethics against your fellow Welsh folk because you think your cleverer than anyone else, or are you Welsh?, or from England, or just a Welsh knocker as you appear to be....or a spelling and grammar checker....
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify. WE cannot legally discriminate against EU nationals in the UK. If they apply for a job they have to be considered on an equal basis with UK nationals[/p][/quote]Absolutely. And they do the jobs that our feckless work shy citizens won't do. Although I don't agree with foreigners taking jobs, what alternative is there? None of the hotels and catering establishments would be able to operate without foreign workers. Unfortunately, our fellow countrymen have lost the work ethic and don't wish to do what they regard as menial jobs, and they are not in any meaningful way compelled to work by the government that strongly either.[/p][/quote]"None of the hotels and catering establishments would be able to operate without foreign workers. Unfortunately, our fellow countrymen have lost the work ethic and don't wish to do what they regard as menial jobs." And your evidence is? or do you just keep on discriminating about work ethics against your fellow Welsh folk because you think your cleverer than anyone else, or are you Welsh?, or from England, or just a Welsh knocker as you appear to be....or a spelling and grammar checker.... welshmen
  • Score: 0

1:22pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Japan1 says...

Been to a hotel recently ?

Probably more evident in England than Wales to be honest.
Been to a hotel recently ? Probably more evident in England than Wales to be honest. Japan1
  • Score: -1

9:59pm Wed 9 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

UKIP are a bunch of far right public school boy Tories. Who would have worn blue during the Maggie Thatcher was PM. When the Tories chnage their policies those UKIP voters will soon drift back, leaving UKIP more as a fringe party.
UKIP are a bunch of far right public school boy Tories. Who would have worn blue during the Maggie Thatcher was PM. When the Tories chnage their policies those UKIP voters will soon drift back, leaving UKIP more as a fringe party. pwlldu
  • Score: -3

12:48am Thu 10 Jul 14

Howie' says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Welsh news today. Another ten countries with a combined total of 90,000,000 population to apply to join the EU. They will have the same right as the 1,000,000 people ( official figures so you can usually triple them for the correct figure ) who are citizens working in the UK today.
Officials report that care must be taken not to allow too many in to UK as we are suffering with NHS and education after the latest influx.
BUT IF WE ARE IN THE EU WE MUST TAKE THEM. NO CHANCE OF SAYING NO.
Get out now.
That, I think is one of the daftest posts that I have read and congratulations because you have had strong competition.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: Welsh news today. Another ten countries with a combined total of 90,000,000 population to apply to join the EU. They will have the same right as the 1,000,000 people ( official figures so you can usually triple them for the correct figure ) who are citizens working in the UK today. Officials report that care must be taken not to allow too many in to UK as we are suffering with NHS and education after the latest influx. BUT IF WE ARE IN THE EU WE MUST TAKE THEM. NO CHANCE OF SAYING NO. Get out now.[/p][/quote]That, I think is one of the daftest posts that I have read and congratulations because you have had strong competition. Howie'
  • Score: -1

12:51am Thu 10 Jul 14

Howie' says...

Howie' wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
Howie A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. bit too hard for you to understand, says it all.
I was quoting Bob Evans comment and then gave my opinion in the next sentence.
No apology from you then 'pwlldu', come on, man up!
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Howie A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. bit too hard for you to understand, says it all.[/p][/quote]I was quoting Bob Evans comment and then gave my opinion in the next sentence.[/p][/quote]No apology from you then 'pwlldu', come on, man up! Howie'
  • Score: -1

10:15am Thu 10 Jul 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

welshmen wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Just to clarify. WE cannot legally discriminate against EU nationals in the UK. If they apply for a job they have to be considered on an equal basis with UK nationals
Absolutely.
And they do the jobs that our feckless work shy citizens won't do.
Although I don't agree with foreigners taking jobs, what alternative is there?
None of the hotels and catering establishments would be able to operate without foreign workers.
Unfortunately, our fellow countrymen have lost the work ethic and don't wish to do what they regard as menial jobs, and they are not in any meaningful way compelled to work by the government that strongly either.
"None of the hotels and catering establishments would be able to operate without foreign workers. Unfortunately, our fellow countrymen have lost the work ethic and don't wish to do what they regard as menial jobs."

And your evidence is? or do you just keep on discriminating about work ethics against your fellow Welsh folk because you think your cleverer than anyone else, or are you Welsh?, or from England, or just a Welsh knocker as you appear to be....or a spelling and grammar checker....
'Res Ipsa loquitur'.
The evidence is out there for all to see.
If you wish to 'bury your head in the sand' and pretend that there is no problem then that is entirely up to you.
Yes and I am Welsh and educated to beyond degree standard, but I came for a working class family and worked extremely hard to get where I am today.
I don't agree with foreign workers taking the jobs, but there is no alternative if no one else is available.
I wish it were different, but unfortunately it isn't.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify. WE cannot legally discriminate against EU nationals in the UK. If they apply for a job they have to be considered on an equal basis with UK nationals[/p][/quote]Absolutely. And they do the jobs that our feckless work shy citizens won't do. Although I don't agree with foreigners taking jobs, what alternative is there? None of the hotels and catering establishments would be able to operate without foreign workers. Unfortunately, our fellow countrymen have lost the work ethic and don't wish to do what they regard as menial jobs, and they are not in any meaningful way compelled to work by the government that strongly either.[/p][/quote]"None of the hotels and catering establishments would be able to operate without foreign workers. Unfortunately, our fellow countrymen have lost the work ethic and don't wish to do what they regard as menial jobs." And your evidence is? or do you just keep on discriminating about work ethics against your fellow Welsh folk because you think your cleverer than anyone else, or are you Welsh?, or from England, or just a Welsh knocker as you appear to be....or a spelling and grammar checker....[/p][/quote]'Res Ipsa loquitur'. The evidence is out there for all to see. If you wish to 'bury your head in the sand' and pretend that there is no problem then that is entirely up to you. Yes and I am Welsh and educated to beyond degree standard, but I came for a working class family and worked extremely hard to get where I am today. I don't agree with foreign workers taking the jobs, but there is no alternative if no one else is available. I wish it were different, but unfortunately it isn't. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 1

10:45am Fri 11 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

Howie' says... you wrote As for Bob Evans, the UKIP cheer leader.....A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. That is nothing to do with Bob Evans. you are the one who needs to man up. I forgive if you forgot what you have written.
Howie' says... you wrote As for Bob Evans, the UKIP cheer leader.....A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. That is nothing to do with Bob Evans. you are the one who needs to man up. I forgive if you forgot what you have written. pwlldu
  • Score: -2

6:47pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Howie' says...

Bobevans wrote:
A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. So He employed legal migrants, He paid them above the minimum wage as well. What exactly is the problem you have with that?

Yes UKIP is against mass uncontrolled migration and would if elected implement a points based migration system. It would though not affect anyone already legally in the UK and without having a serious criminal nrecord
Howie' wrote 'As for Bob Evans, the UKIP cheer leader.....A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. So He employed legal migrants, He paid them above the minimum wage as well. What exactly is the problem you have with that'?

Umm, You Could Have Had A Brit for the same price ( You are against Immigration and foreigners taking Brits Jobs aren't you.)

Have you worked it out yet Pwlldu? or is it beyond you?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. So He employed legal migrants, He paid them above the minimum wage as well. What exactly is the problem you have with that? Yes UKIP is against mass uncontrolled migration and would if elected implement a points based migration system. It would though not affect anyone already legally in the UK and without having a serious criminal nrecord[/p][/quote]Howie' wrote 'As for Bob Evans, the UKIP cheer leader.....A Nutt by name and a nut by nature. So He employed legal migrants, He paid them above the minimum wage as well. What exactly is the problem you have with that'? Umm, You Could Have Had A Brit for the same price ( You are against Immigration and foreigners taking Brits Jobs aren't you.) Have you worked it out yet Pwlldu? or is it beyond you? Howie'
  • Score: 2

11:34am Sat 12 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

SORRY
SORRY pwlldu
  • Score: 0

3:56pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Howie' says...

pwlldu wrote:
SORRY
Thats OK.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: SORRY[/p][/quote]Thats OK. Howie'
  • Score: 3
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