Safe seat

KINNOCK’S son is to be parachuted into a safe Labour seat.

If the people of that constituency think he’ll do anything, other than use them to climb the slippery pole of politics, they will be sadly mistaken.

Patricia Davies North Road Pontywaun

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2:11pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame. Good Job No Kids
  • Score: 9

3:27pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Frankfurt says...

An interesting character, Stephan Kinnock. Not least because he is married to the prime minister of Denmark. I wonder if we could get Angela Merkel's husband to stand for Newport.
An interesting character, Stephan Kinnock. Not least because he is married to the prime minister of Denmark. I wonder if we could get Angela Merkel's husband to stand for Newport. Frankfurt
  • Score: 7

3:40pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Magor says...

Same with Milliband what does he care about Doncaster? Rumours are that Blairs son is going to get one in Merseyside.People who vote for these type of candidates are fools.
Same with Milliband what does he care about Doncaster? Rumours are that Blairs son is going to get one in Merseyside.People who vote for these type of candidates are fools. Magor
  • Score: 20

3:47pm Mon 7 Jul 14

tebes says...

I find it strange that there is no all female list when Kinnock's son or Blair's son decide to stand. Even though I am not a Labour supporter, I feel sorry for the local party activists who work their socks off at election times to ultimately be told that they have no chance in standing as a local MP. Must make the current lot proud that "hard working local boys" like Kinnock and Blair are being offered the safe seats. No working class MP's again then-only those born with a silver spoon in their mouth.
You couldn't make it up.
I find it strange that there is no all female list when Kinnock's son or Blair's son decide to stand. Even though I am not a Labour supporter, I feel sorry for the local party activists who work their socks off at election times to ultimately be told that they have no chance in standing as a local MP. Must make the current lot proud that "hard working local boys" like Kinnock and Blair are being offered the safe seats. No working class MP's again then-only those born with a silver spoon in their mouth. You couldn't make it up. tebes
  • Score: 21

5:06pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Magor wrote:
Same with Milliband what does he care about Doncaster? Rumours are that Blairs son is going to get one in Merseyside.People who vote for these type of candidates are fools.
'People who vote for these type of candidates are fools.'

What Labour ones you mean? Duh yeah. They learned nothing from 13 years of Labour misrule, or their appalling tenure at WAG, or most of their councils.
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: Same with Milliband what does he care about Doncaster? Rumours are that Blairs son is going to get one in Merseyside.People who vote for these type of candidates are fools.[/p][/quote]'People who vote for these type of candidates are fools.' What Labour ones you mean? Duh yeah. They learned nothing from 13 years of Labour misrule, or their appalling tenure at WAG, or most of their councils. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 3

7:05pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

Of Course when old Boris Johnson decides to return to Westmister he will be given a Glasgow Govern to fight
Of Course when old Boris Johnson decides to return to Westmister he will be given a Glasgow Govern to fight Mr Angry
  • Score: 3

7:33pm Mon 7 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Magor wrote:
Same with Milliband what does he care about Doncaster? Rumours are that Blairs son is going to get one in Merseyside.People who vote for these type of candidates are fools.
'People who vote for these type of candidates are fools.'

What Labour ones you mean? Duh yeah. They learned nothing from 13 years of Labour misrule, or their appalling tenure at WAG, or most of their councils.
you cannot blame Kinnock though the guy will not even live in the area his wife would not lower herself and it is 100k per annum for nothing and the funniest thing is the poorly educated fools that live there will run along on polling day and vote for him
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: Same with Milliband what does he care about Doncaster? Rumours are that Blairs son is going to get one in Merseyside.People who vote for these type of candidates are fools.[/p][/quote]'People who vote for these type of candidates are fools.' What Labour ones you mean? Duh yeah. They learned nothing from 13 years of Labour misrule, or their appalling tenure at WAG, or most of their councils.[/p][/quote]you cannot blame Kinnock though the guy will not even live in the area his wife would not lower herself and it is 100k per annum for nothing and the funniest thing is the poorly educated fools that live there will run along on polling day and vote for him scraptheWAG
  • Score: 6

8:10pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Magor says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Of Course when old Boris Johnson decides to return to Westmister he will be given a Glasgow Govern to fight
That's if its still in the UK and if its not Labour are going to lose a lot of seats.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Of Course when old Boris Johnson decides to return to Westmister he will be given a Glasgow Govern to fight[/p][/quote]That's if its still in the UK and if its not Labour are going to lose a lot of seats. Magor
  • Score: 6

9:42pm Mon 7 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

tebes wrote:
I find it strange that there is no all female list when Kinnock's son or Blair's son decide to stand. Even though I am not a Labour supporter, I feel sorry for the local party activists who work their socks off at election times to ultimately be told that they have no chance in standing as a local MP. Must make the current lot proud that "hard working local boys" like Kinnock and Blair are being offered the safe seats. No working class MP's again then-only those born with a silver spoon in their mouth.
You couldn't make it up.
why do you vote labour, just because your dad voted them i dont understand
[quote][p][bold]tebes[/bold] wrote: I find it strange that there is no all female list when Kinnock's son or Blair's son decide to stand. Even though I am not a Labour supporter, I feel sorry for the local party activists who work their socks off at election times to ultimately be told that they have no chance in standing as a local MP. Must make the current lot proud that "hard working local boys" like Kinnock and Blair are being offered the safe seats. No working class MP's again then-only those born with a silver spoon in their mouth. You couldn't make it up.[/p][/quote]why do you vote labour, just because your dad voted them i dont understand scraptheWAG
  • Score: -1

9:46pm Mon 7 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
What do you know about him? Or anything for that matter? Very little your postings would suggest. It helps to put forward reasoned argument, or facts, or something to back up your views. But all we seem to get from you - and many others on this site - is negativity and pot shots at easy targets. Try and be a little more creative.

I think your name tells us all we need to know about you. Superficial and full of yourself. Good job - yeah, you tell everyone what a success you are. I'm so, so impressed. You must command such respect.
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]What do you know about him? Or anything for that matter? Very little your postings would suggest. It helps to put forward reasoned argument, or facts, or something to back up your views. But all we seem to get from you - and many others on this site - is negativity and pot shots at easy targets. Try and be a little more creative. I think your name tells us all we need to know about you. Superficial and full of yourself. Good job - yeah, you tell everyone what a success you are. I'm so, so impressed. You must command such respect. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -6

11:49pm Mon 7 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
What do you know about him? Or anything for that matter? Very little your postings would suggest. It helps to put forward reasoned argument, or facts, or something to back up your views. But all we seem to get from you - and many others on this site - is negativity and pot shots at easy targets. Try and be a little more creative.

I think your name tells us all we need to know about you. Superficial and full of yourself. Good job - yeah, you tell everyone what a success you are. I'm so, so impressed. You must command such respect.
steven kinnock has his first vote
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]What do you know about him? Or anything for that matter? Very little your postings would suggest. It helps to put forward reasoned argument, or facts, or something to back up your views. But all we seem to get from you - and many others on this site - is negativity and pot shots at easy targets. Try and be a little more creative. I think your name tells us all we need to know about you. Superficial and full of yourself. Good job - yeah, you tell everyone what a success you are. I'm so, so impressed. You must command such respect.[/p][/quote]steven kinnock has his first vote scraptheWAG
  • Score: -6

7:16am Tue 8 Jul 14

tebes says...

scraptheWAG says...

tebes wrote:
I find it strange that there is no all female list when Kinnock's son or Blair's son decide to stand. Even though I am not a Labour supporter, I feel sorry for the local party activists who work their socks off at election times to ultimately be told that they have no chance in standing as a local MP. Must make the current lot proud that "hard working local boys" like Kinnock and Blair are being offered the safe seats. No working class MP's again then-only those born with a silver spoon in their mouth.
You couldn't make it up.

why do you vote labour, just because your dad voted them i dont understand

I have never voted Labour or Conservative and if you read my post it says "even though I am not a Labour supporter".
I believe in local candidates getting the job. Again shows how much the main parties are out of touch with the general public.
scraptheWAG says... tebes wrote: I find it strange that there is no all female list when Kinnock's son or Blair's son decide to stand. Even though I am not a Labour supporter, I feel sorry for the local party activists who work their socks off at election times to ultimately be told that they have no chance in standing as a local MP. Must make the current lot proud that "hard working local boys" like Kinnock and Blair are being offered the safe seats. No working class MP's again then-only those born with a silver spoon in their mouth. You couldn't make it up. why do you vote labour, just because your dad voted them i dont understand I have never voted Labour or Conservative and if you read my post it says "even though I am not a Labour supporter". I believe in local candidates getting the job. Again shows how much the main parties are out of touch with the general public. tebes
  • Score: 8

8:04am Tue 8 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Of Course when old Boris Johnson decides to return to Westmister he will be given a Glasgow Govern to fight
The 'safe seat' game is played by all parties, agreed. But surely the point here is that the Labour, supposedly opposed to dynastic power, is happy to do it themselves. Hilary Benn, and the Blair & Kinnock offspring all handed power for life at the expense of the taxpayer.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Of Course when old Boris Johnson decides to return to Westmister he will be given a Glasgow Govern to fight[/p][/quote]The 'safe seat' game is played by all parties, agreed. But surely the point here is that the Labour, supposedly opposed to dynastic power, is happy to do it themselves. Hilary Benn, and the Blair & Kinnock offspring all handed power for life at the expense of the taxpayer. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 11

10:04am Tue 8 Jul 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

It always amuses me how quickly right-wingers respond to defeats (or in this case probably defeats) by insulting the electorate. Scragtheag's usual offensive drivel about people who he deems 'poorly educated fools' is case in point.

In fact, the only person who I've heard voted for a political party because their father did was a Tory. He was a well-off and particularly unpleasant guy from deepest Surrey who I came across through a friend at a Student Union bar. It was around election time, and when my friend asked him who he was voting for he said 'conservative'; when we asked why he responded "dunno, just because everyone else in Surrey is, and I don't like poor people."

Perhaps the tories want to look a bit closer to home when they talk about 'poorly educated fools' - the Condem cabinet is made up of quite a few of them.
It always amuses me how quickly right-wingers respond to defeats (or in this case probably defeats) by insulting the electorate. Scragtheag's usual offensive drivel about people who he deems 'poorly educated fools' is case in point. In fact, the only person who I've heard voted for a political party because their father did was a Tory. He was a well-off and particularly unpleasant guy from deepest Surrey who I came across through a friend at a Student Union bar. It was around election time, and when my friend asked him who he was voting for he said 'conservative'; when we asked why he responded "dunno, just because everyone else in Surrey is, and I don't like poor people." Perhaps the tories want to look a bit closer to home when they talk about 'poorly educated fools' - the Condem cabinet is made up of quite a few of them. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 4

11:55am Tue 8 Jul 14

Frankfurt says...

If you live in Aberavon what point would there be in voting for a party other than Labour no matter what party your father voted for? None of the others would take any interest in you. Least of all the Tories and UKIP.
If you live in Aberavon what point would there be in voting for a party other than Labour no matter what party your father voted for? None of the others would take any interest in you. Least of all the Tories and UKIP. Frankfurt
  • Score: 0

1:14pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Japan1 says...

the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.
the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve. Japan1
  • Score: 6

2:29pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Port0214 says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig. Port0214
  • Score: 4

4:08pm Tue 8 Jul 14

varteg1 says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
If it concerns you so much, put yourself up as a candidate.

Or would the competition be too much for you?

I should think if you really have no kids, and considering Kinnock Jr has a greater loyalty...to Denmark... maybe you'd be more than acceptable tom the voting public.
If you can't afford the deposit, there's always Wonga.
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]If it concerns you so much, put yourself up as a candidate. Or would the competition be too much for you? I should think if you really have no kids, and considering Kinnock Jr has a greater loyalty...to Denmark... maybe you'd be more than acceptable tom the voting public. If you can't afford the deposit, there's always Wonga. varteg1
  • Score: -1

5:04pm Tue 8 Jul 14

daveglyn says...

Frankfurt wrote:
If you live in Aberavon what point would there be in voting for a party other than Labour no matter what party your father voted for? None of the others would take any interest in you. Least of all the Tories and UKIP.
How do you know that when, that is the only party that has ever represented the area. Try having a change it is as good as having a rest.
[quote][p][bold]Frankfurt[/bold] wrote: If you live in Aberavon what point would there be in voting for a party other than Labour no matter what party your father voted for? None of the others would take any interest in you. Least of all the Tories and UKIP.[/p][/quote]How do you know that when, that is the only party that has ever represented the area. Try having a change it is as good as having a rest. daveglyn
  • Score: -1

5:05pm Tue 8 Jul 14

daveglyn says...

Frankfurt wrote:
If you live in Aberavon what point would there be in voting for a party other than Labour no matter what party your father voted for? None of the others would take any interest in you. Least of all the Tories and UKIP.
How do you know that when, that is the only party that has ever represented the area. Try having a change it is as good as having a rest.
[quote][p][bold]Frankfurt[/bold] wrote: If you live in Aberavon what point would there be in voting for a party other than Labour no matter what party your father voted for? None of the others would take any interest in you. Least of all the Tories and UKIP.[/p][/quote]How do you know that when, that is the only party that has ever represented the area. Try having a change it is as good as having a rest. daveglyn
  • Score: 1

5:52pm Tue 8 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Japan1 wrote:
the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.
I don't see anything undemocratic at all in voters voting for whatever party they want to. Just because that doesn't match your choice of party doesn't make it undemocratic. That many people believe a party like Labour best represents their interests - and perhaps more importantly the interests of society - and has consistently done so for many years perhaps says more about the other parties that Labour.
Don't be so patronising as to assume many people vote without thinking what is best for them and for society. It's called democracy.
[quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.[/p][/quote]I don't see anything undemocratic at all in voters voting for whatever party they want to. Just because that doesn't match your choice of party doesn't make it undemocratic. That many people believe a party like Labour best represents their interests - and perhaps more importantly the interests of society - and has consistently done so for many years perhaps says more about the other parties that Labour. Don't be so patronising as to assume many people vote without thinking what is best for them and for society. It's called democracy. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -3

6:55pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
Should we have a system where the electorate choose the candidate rather than a tiny number of party officials

The current system makes a mockery of democracy
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]Should we have a system where the electorate choose the candidate rather than a tiny number of party officials The current system makes a mockery of democracy Bobevans
  • Score: 1

8:26pm Tue 8 Jul 14

endthelies says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Magor wrote:
Same with Milliband what does he care about Doncaster? Rumours are that Blairs son is going to get one in Merseyside.People who vote for these type of candidates are fools.
'People who vote for these type of candidates are fools.'

What Labour ones you mean? Duh yeah. They learned nothing from 13 years of Labour misrule, or their appalling tenure at WAG, or most of their councils.
Well said BCF. we learned an unforgettable lesson and paid a very higfh price when the conservatives were in last time around.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: Same with Milliband what does he care about Doncaster? Rumours are that Blairs son is going to get one in Merseyside.People who vote for these type of candidates are fools.[/p][/quote]'People who vote for these type of candidates are fools.' What Labour ones you mean? Duh yeah. They learned nothing from 13 years of Labour misrule, or their appalling tenure at WAG, or most of their councils.[/p][/quote]Well said BCF. we learned an unforgettable lesson and paid a very higfh price when the conservatives were in last time around. endthelies
  • Score: -5

8:28pm Tue 8 Jul 14

endthelies says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
It always amuses me how quickly right-wingers respond to defeats (or in this case probably defeats) by insulting the electorate. Scragtheag's usual offensive drivel about people who he deems 'poorly educated fools' is case in point.

In fact, the only person who I've heard voted for a political party because their father did was a Tory. He was a well-off and particularly unpleasant guy from deepest Surrey who I came across through a friend at a Student Union bar. It was around election time, and when my friend asked him who he was voting for he said 'conservative'; when we asked why he responded "dunno, just because everyone else in Surrey is, and I don't like poor people."

Perhaps the tories want to look a bit closer to home when they talk about 'poorly educated fools' - the Condem cabinet is made up of quite a few of them.
Sorry my last post should have contained BCF's post so here it is. The old fingers are not working very well today :(
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: It always amuses me how quickly right-wingers respond to defeats (or in this case probably defeats) by insulting the electorate. Scragtheag's usual offensive drivel about people who he deems 'poorly educated fools' is case in point. In fact, the only person who I've heard voted for a political party because their father did was a Tory. He was a well-off and particularly unpleasant guy from deepest Surrey who I came across through a friend at a Student Union bar. It was around election time, and when my friend asked him who he was voting for he said 'conservative'; when we asked why he responded "dunno, just because everyone else in Surrey is, and I don't like poor people." Perhaps the tories want to look a bit closer to home when they talk about 'poorly educated fools' - the Condem cabinet is made up of quite a few of them.[/p][/quote]Sorry my last post should have contained BCF's post so here it is. The old fingers are not working very well today :( endthelies
  • Score: -1

8:34pm Tue 8 Jul 14

endthelies says...

Port0214 wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.
You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)
[quote][p][bold]Port0214[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.[/p][/quote]You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-) endthelies
  • Score: -8

9:11pm Tue 8 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

endthelies wrote:
Port0214 wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.
You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)
stupid quote who runs the WAG and look at the state wales is in deespite receiving billions in grants
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Port0214[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.[/p][/quote]You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)[/p][/quote]stupid quote who runs the WAG and look at the state wales is in deespite receiving billions in grants scraptheWAG
  • Score: -5

9:15pm Tue 8 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Bobevans wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
Should we have a system where the electorate choose the candidate rather than a tiny number of party officials

The current system makes a mockery of democracy
Okay, you don't like the current system. So what's your alternative that's an improvement? Don't just gripe about what's not working (in your view - though I think many would think differently) - give us the benefit of your wisdom of what you think would work.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]Should we have a system where the electorate choose the candidate rather than a tiny number of party officials The current system makes a mockery of democracy[/p][/quote]Okay, you don't like the current system. So what's your alternative that's an improvement? Don't just gripe about what's not working (in your view - though I think many would think differently) - give us the benefit of your wisdom of what you think would work. jimmytheone2
  • Score: 3

7:28am Wed 9 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
Should we have a system where the electorate choose the candidate rather than a tiny number of party officials

The current system makes a mockery of democracy
Okay, you don't like the current system. So what's your alternative that's an improvement? Don't just gripe about what's not working (in your view - though I think many would think differently) - give us the benefit of your wisdom of what you think would work.
Perhaps you should try reading my post
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]Should we have a system where the electorate choose the candidate rather than a tiny number of party officials The current system makes a mockery of democracy[/p][/quote]Okay, you don't like the current system. So what's your alternative that's an improvement? Don't just gripe about what's not working (in your view - though I think many would think differently) - give us the benefit of your wisdom of what you think would work.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should try reading my post Bobevans
  • Score: -6

10:09am Wed 9 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

Another possible solution is to have a residency requirement to become an MP. Lets say you have to have been a full time resident in the Constituency for at least 5 years. This would stop parties just parachuting in candidates
Another possible solution is to have a residency requirement to become an MP. Lets say you have to have been a full time resident in the Constituency for at least 5 years. This would stop parties just parachuting in candidates Bobevans
  • Score: 1

10:20am Wed 9 Jul 14

Japan1 says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
Japan1 wrote:
the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.
I don't see anything undemocratic at all in voters voting for whatever party they want to. Just because that doesn't match your choice of party doesn't make it undemocratic. That many people believe a party like Labour best represents their interests - and perhaps more importantly the interests of society - and has consistently done so for many years perhaps says more about the other parties that Labour.
Don't be so patronising as to assume many people vote without thinking what is best for them and for society. It's called democracy.
If a person's vote is to all intents and purposes worthless because of the electoral system that is surely undemocratic. All voters have the right to vote for whoever they wish, and in certains parts of the country ingrained habitual voting can be applied to any of the parties across the political spectrum. There are other people believe a party like the Conservatives best represents their interests - and perhaps more importantly the interests of society - and have done so since the mid-ninteenth century. Whatever political hue you represent the fact that a person's vote is worthless is undemocratic, an electoral system where a person's vote means something may get more of us out to vote and perhaps we might get politicians that actually care, not the current crop who seem intent on lining their well tailored pockets at our expense.
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.[/p][/quote]I don't see anything undemocratic at all in voters voting for whatever party they want to. Just because that doesn't match your choice of party doesn't make it undemocratic. That many people believe a party like Labour best represents their interests - and perhaps more importantly the interests of society - and has consistently done so for many years perhaps says more about the other parties that Labour. Don't be so patronising as to assume many people vote without thinking what is best for them and for society. It's called democracy.[/p][/quote]If a person's vote is to all intents and purposes worthless because of the electoral system that is surely undemocratic. All voters have the right to vote for whoever they wish, and in certains parts of the country ingrained habitual voting can be applied to any of the parties across the political spectrum. There are other people believe a party like the Conservatives best represents their interests - and perhaps more importantly the interests of society - and have done so since the mid-ninteenth century. Whatever political hue you represent the fact that a person's vote is worthless is undemocratic, an electoral system where a person's vote means something may get more of us out to vote and perhaps we might get politicians that actually care, not the current crop who seem intent on lining their well tailored pockets at our expense. Japan1
  • Score: 4

12:11pm Wed 9 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Bobevans wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
Should we have a system where the electorate choose the candidate rather than a tiny number of party officials

The current system makes a mockery of democracy
Okay, you don't like the current system. So what's your alternative that's an improvement? Don't just gripe about what's not working (in your view - though I think many would think differently) - give us the benefit of your wisdom of what you think would work.
Perhaps you should try reading my post
That's a good suggestion. So we have an election to choose the candidate who goes forward for another election. Brilliant. Why didn't I think of that.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]Should we have a system where the electorate choose the candidate rather than a tiny number of party officials The current system makes a mockery of democracy[/p][/quote]Okay, you don't like the current system. So what's your alternative that's an improvement? Don't just gripe about what's not working (in your view - though I think many would think differently) - give us the benefit of your wisdom of what you think would work.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should try reading my post[/p][/quote]That's a good suggestion. So we have an election to choose the candidate who goes forward for another election. Brilliant. Why didn't I think of that. jimmytheone2
  • Score: 5

12:53pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Japan1 says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
Should we have a system where the electorate choose the candidate rather than a tiny number of party officials

The current system makes a mockery of democracy
Okay, you don't like the current system. So what's your alternative that's an improvement? Don't just gripe about what's not working (in your view - though I think many would think differently) - give us the benefit of your wisdom of what you think would work.
Perhaps you should try reading my post
That's a good suggestion. So we have an election to choose the candidate who goes forward for another election. Brilliant. Why didn't I think of that.
Possibly because you think the current system is fine.
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]Should we have a system where the electorate choose the candidate rather than a tiny number of party officials The current system makes a mockery of democracy[/p][/quote]Okay, you don't like the current system. So what's your alternative that's an improvement? Don't just gripe about what's not working (in your view - though I think many would think differently) - give us the benefit of your wisdom of what you think would work.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should try reading my post[/p][/quote]That's a good suggestion. So we have an election to choose the candidate who goes forward for another election. Brilliant. Why didn't I think of that.[/p][/quote]Possibly because you think the current system is fine. Japan1
  • Score: 2

2:11pm Wed 9 Jul 14

endthelies says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Port0214 wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.
You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)
stupid quote who runs the WAG and look at the state wales is in deespite receiving billions in grants
And who runs the United Kingdom as a whole, or have you forgotten? The cons are obviously a much better candidate for my vote in your opinion. But that's all it is. Your opinion. Its definitely not mine. You vote for who you want and so will I. Not because my father did or because I'm a sheep or because of any other insult you care to throw. Because I WANT to. Have you got it now Scrap. The clue is in the word WANT.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Port0214[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.[/p][/quote]You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)[/p][/quote]stupid quote who runs the WAG and look at the state wales is in deespite receiving billions in grants[/p][/quote]And who runs the United Kingdom as a whole, or have you forgotten? The cons are obviously a much better candidate for my vote in your opinion. But that's all it is. Your opinion. Its definitely not mine. You vote for who you want and so will I. Not because my father did or because I'm a sheep or because of any other insult you care to throw. Because I WANT to. Have you got it now Scrap. The clue is in the word WANT. endthelies
  • Score: -3

2:36pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

endthelies wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Port0214 wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.
You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)
stupid quote who runs the WAG and look at the state wales is in deespite receiving billions in grants
And who runs the United Kingdom as a whole, or have you forgotten? The cons are obviously a much better candidate for my vote in your opinion. But that's all it is. Your opinion. Its definitely not mine. You vote for who you want and so will I. Not because my father did or because I'm a sheep or because of any other insult you care to throw. Because I WANT to. Have you got it now Scrap. The clue is in the word WANT.
Yet the UK, run by the ConDems has the fastest growing economy it the Western world and will be larger than France by 2020. Some feat given what they inherited. Not perfect I'd agree but curious that even Labour are trying to out-do the Tories in cuts and austerity for their next potential term. Compare that with Wales. A one party state since forever and the biggest basket case in Europe. And you aren't even inclined to question why?
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Port0214[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.[/p][/quote]You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)[/p][/quote]stupid quote who runs the WAG and look at the state wales is in deespite receiving billions in grants[/p][/quote]And who runs the United Kingdom as a whole, or have you forgotten? The cons are obviously a much better candidate for my vote in your opinion. But that's all it is. Your opinion. Its definitely not mine. You vote for who you want and so will I. Not because my father did or because I'm a sheep or because of any other insult you care to throw. Because I WANT to. Have you got it now Scrap. The clue is in the word WANT.[/p][/quote]Yet the UK, run by the ConDems has the fastest growing economy it the Western world and will be larger than France by 2020. Some feat given what they inherited. Not perfect I'd agree but curious that even Labour are trying to out-do the Tories in cuts and austerity for their next potential term. Compare that with Wales. A one party state since forever and the biggest basket case in Europe. And you aren't even inclined to question why? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -4

3:33pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
Should we have a system where the electorate choose the candidate rather than a tiny number of party officials

The current system makes a mockery of democracy
Okay, you don't like the current system. So what's your alternative that's an improvement? Don't just gripe about what's not working (in your view - though I think many would think differently) - give us the benefit of your wisdom of what you think would work.
Perhaps you should try reading my post
That's a good suggestion. So we have an election to choose the candidate who goes forward for another election. Brilliant. Why didn't I think of that.
They already do have a sort of election. A handful of party officials choose the candidate if the party HQ do not override them
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]Should we have a system where the electorate choose the candidate rather than a tiny number of party officials The current system makes a mockery of democracy[/p][/quote]Okay, you don't like the current system. So what's your alternative that's an improvement? Don't just gripe about what's not working (in your view - though I think many would think differently) - give us the benefit of your wisdom of what you think would work.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should try reading my post[/p][/quote]That's a good suggestion. So we have an election to choose the candidate who goes forward for another election. Brilliant. Why didn't I think of that.[/p][/quote]They already do have a sort of election. A handful of party officials choose the candidate if the party HQ do not override them Bobevans
  • Score: -8

3:35pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
Japan1 wrote:
the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.
I don't see anything undemocratic at all in voters voting for whatever party they want to. Just because that doesn't match your choice of party doesn't make it undemocratic. That many people believe a party like Labour best represents their interests - and perhaps more importantly the interests of society - and has consistently done so for many years perhaps says more about the other parties that Labour.
Don't be so patronising as to assume many people vote without thinking what is best for them and for society. It's called democracy.
You clearly do not even understand the current system. You do not vote for a party, You vote for a person to represent you
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.[/p][/quote]I don't see anything undemocratic at all in voters voting for whatever party they want to. Just because that doesn't match your choice of party doesn't make it undemocratic. That many people believe a party like Labour best represents their interests - and perhaps more importantly the interests of society - and has consistently done so for many years perhaps says more about the other parties that Labour. Don't be so patronising as to assume many people vote without thinking what is best for them and for society. It's called democracy.[/p][/quote]You clearly do not even understand the current system. You do not vote for a party, You vote for a person to represent you Bobevans
  • Score: -9

6:01pm Wed 9 Jul 14

endthelies says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
endthelies wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Port0214 wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.
You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)
stupid quote who runs the WAG and look at the state wales is in deespite receiving billions in grants
And who runs the United Kingdom as a whole, or have you forgotten? The cons are obviously a much better candidate for my vote in your opinion. But that's all it is. Your opinion. Its definitely not mine. You vote for who you want and so will I. Not because my father did or because I'm a sheep or because of any other insult you care to throw. Because I WANT to. Have you got it now Scrap. The clue is in the word WANT.
Yet the UK, run by the ConDems has the fastest growing economy it the Western world and will be larger than France by 2020. Some feat given what they inherited. Not perfect I'd agree but curious that even Labour are trying to out-do the Tories in cuts and austerity for their next potential term. Compare that with Wales. A one party state since forever and the biggest basket case in Europe. And you aren't even inclined to question why?
Definitely not perfect by a long straw. Working people using food banks, disabled people dying before they can get the benefits to which they are entitled, and ever growing benefit bill, despite what the cons try to convince you. Part time and low paid jobs being the norm, lying politicians, politicians covering up child abuse claims, politicians lining their pockets whilst a child with Leukaemia has to wait six months for any benefits to come through, despite the father (single parent) having to give up work to care for her. And also, nowhere have I said that I would be voting Labour. So maybe I an inclined to ask why. One thing I will state though, I would NEVER vote the conservatives. The party for the rich and only the rich as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure you have a difference of opinion and that's fine, but that's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Port0214[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.[/p][/quote]You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)[/p][/quote]stupid quote who runs the WAG and look at the state wales is in deespite receiving billions in grants[/p][/quote]And who runs the United Kingdom as a whole, or have you forgotten? The cons are obviously a much better candidate for my vote in your opinion. But that's all it is. Your opinion. Its definitely not mine. You vote for who you want and so will I. Not because my father did or because I'm a sheep or because of any other insult you care to throw. Because I WANT to. Have you got it now Scrap. The clue is in the word WANT.[/p][/quote]Yet the UK, run by the ConDems has the fastest growing economy it the Western world and will be larger than France by 2020. Some feat given what they inherited. Not perfect I'd agree but curious that even Labour are trying to out-do the Tories in cuts and austerity for their next potential term. Compare that with Wales. A one party state since forever and the biggest basket case in Europe. And you aren't even inclined to question why?[/p][/quote]Definitely not perfect by a long straw. Working people using food banks, disabled people dying before they can get the benefits to which they are entitled, and ever growing benefit bill, despite what the cons try to convince you. Part time and low paid jobs being the norm, lying politicians, politicians covering up child abuse claims, politicians lining their pockets whilst a child with Leukaemia has to wait six months for any benefits to come through, despite the father (single parent) having to give up work to care for her. And also, nowhere have I said that I would be voting Labour. So maybe I an inclined to ask why. One thing I will state though, I would NEVER vote the conservatives. The party for the rich and only the rich as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure you have a difference of opinion and that's fine, but that's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. endthelies
  • Score: -6

6:06pm Wed 9 Jul 14

endthelies says...

I would also suggest that only London has a growing economy. The majority of towns in the UK that are not seeing any of this growing economy.
I would also suggest that only London has a growing economy. The majority of towns in the UK that are not seeing any of this growing economy. endthelies
  • Score: -3

7:06pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

I've never understood any area voting for someone brought in from outside, but to be fair they all do it, the Tories do it, the lib-dems do it, the real idiots are those who vote for it. People who vote only for parties don't care who stands as long as the opposition doesn't. Personally I go on policies/work rate, but that is not to say I am going to vote for someone who wanders in to Newport from Milton Keynes or something. That would make me vote against, same with putting only women up for election I wouldn't buy that PC nonsense.
I've never understood any area voting for someone brought in from outside, but to be fair they all do it, the Tories do it, the lib-dems do it, the real idiots are those who vote for it. People who vote only for parties don't care who stands as long as the opposition doesn't. Personally I go on policies/work rate, but that is not to say I am going to vote for someone who wanders in to Newport from Milton Keynes or something. That would make me vote against, same with putting only women up for election I wouldn't buy that PC nonsense. Mervyn James
  • Score: 5

7:30pm Wed 9 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

endthelies wrote:
I would also suggest that only London has a growing economy. The majority of towns in the UK that are not seeing any of this growing economy.
mm most in england are its only wales that is going backwards
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I would also suggest that only London has a growing economy. The majority of towns in the UK that are not seeing any of this growing economy.[/p][/quote]mm most in england are its only wales that is going backwards scraptheWAG
  • Score: -9

11:00pm Wed 9 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I would also suggest that only London has a growing economy. The majority of towns in the UK that are not seeing any of this growing economy.
mm most in england are its only wales that is going backwards
You been drinking again? Trouble typing? Or is this normal guff you write?

You underestimate how well Wales is doing. You have no understanding at all - Wales is far ahead of England in hedgehog friendliness. Forget immigration or the economy, the big issue that the next election will be fought on is what we are doing to help hedgehogs.

Question to you, Scrappa - wot you doing to help? Welsh Government are supporting this initiative, wot about you?
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I would also suggest that only London has a growing economy. The majority of towns in the UK that are not seeing any of this growing economy.[/p][/quote]mm most in england are its only wales that is going backwards[/p][/quote]You been drinking again? Trouble typing? Or is this normal guff you write? You underestimate how well Wales is doing. You have no understanding at all - Wales is far ahead of England in hedgehog friendliness. Forget immigration or the economy, the big issue that the next election will be fought on is what we are doing to help hedgehogs. Question to you, Scrappa - wot you doing to help? Welsh Government are supporting this initiative, wot about you? jimmytheone2
  • Score: 8

11:07pm Wed 9 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
endthelies wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Port0214 wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.
You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)
stupid quote who runs the WAG and look at the state wales is in deespite receiving billions in grants
And who runs the United Kingdom as a whole, or have you forgotten? The cons are obviously a much better candidate for my vote in your opinion. But that's all it is. Your opinion. Its definitely not mine. You vote for who you want and so will I. Not because my father did or because I'm a sheep or because of any other insult you care to throw. Because I WANT to. Have you got it now Scrap. The clue is in the word WANT.
Yet the UK, run by the ConDems has the fastest growing economy it the Western world and will be larger than France by 2020. Some feat given what they inherited. Not perfect I'd agree but curious that even Labour are trying to out-do the Tories in cuts and austerity for their next potential term. Compare that with Wales. A one party state since forever and the biggest basket case in Europe. And you aren't even inclined to question why?
I thought you were the biggest basket case in Europe Lanny boy. But someone says it's Wales. That's not right is it?
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Port0214[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.[/p][/quote]You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)[/p][/quote]stupid quote who runs the WAG and look at the state wales is in deespite receiving billions in grants[/p][/quote]And who runs the United Kingdom as a whole, or have you forgotten? The cons are obviously a much better candidate for my vote in your opinion. But that's all it is. Your opinion. Its definitely not mine. You vote for who you want and so will I. Not because my father did or because I'm a sheep or because of any other insult you care to throw. Because I WANT to. Have you got it now Scrap. The clue is in the word WANT.[/p][/quote]Yet the UK, run by the ConDems has the fastest growing economy it the Western world and will be larger than France by 2020. Some feat given what they inherited. Not perfect I'd agree but curious that even Labour are trying to out-do the Tories in cuts and austerity for their next potential term. Compare that with Wales. A one party state since forever and the biggest basket case in Europe. And you aren't even inclined to question why?[/p][/quote]I thought you were the biggest basket case in Europe Lanny boy. But someone says it's Wales. That's not right is it? jimmytheone2
  • Score: 3

11:36pm Wed 9 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
endthelies wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Port0214 wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.
You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)
stupid quote who runs the WAG and look at the state wales is in deespite receiving billions in grants
And who runs the United Kingdom as a whole, or have you forgotten? The cons are obviously a much better candidate for my vote in your opinion. But that's all it is. Your opinion. Its definitely not mine. You vote for who you want and so will I. Not because my father did or because I'm a sheep or because of any other insult you care to throw. Because I WANT to. Have you got it now Scrap. The clue is in the word WANT.
Yet the UK, run by the ConDems has the fastest growing economy it the Western world and will be larger than France by 2020. Some feat given what they inherited. Not perfect I'd agree but curious that even Labour are trying to out-do the Tories in cuts and austerity for their next potential term. Compare that with Wales. A one party state since forever and the biggest basket case in Europe. And you aren't even inclined to question why?
I thought you were the biggest basket case in Europe Lanny boy. But someone says it's Wales. That's not right is it?
When all else fails, abject denial of reality will always see you through. Wales is a barnstorming success. How did we all not notice?
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Port0214[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.[/p][/quote]You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)[/p][/quote]stupid quote who runs the WAG and look at the state wales is in deespite receiving billions in grants[/p][/quote]And who runs the United Kingdom as a whole, or have you forgotten? The cons are obviously a much better candidate for my vote in your opinion. But that's all it is. Your opinion. Its definitely not mine. You vote for who you want and so will I. Not because my father did or because I'm a sheep or because of any other insult you care to throw. Because I WANT to. Have you got it now Scrap. The clue is in the word WANT.[/p][/quote]Yet the UK, run by the ConDems has the fastest growing economy it the Western world and will be larger than France by 2020. Some feat given what they inherited. Not perfect I'd agree but curious that even Labour are trying to out-do the Tories in cuts and austerity for their next potential term. Compare that with Wales. A one party state since forever and the biggest basket case in Europe. And you aren't even inclined to question why?[/p][/quote]I thought you were the biggest basket case in Europe Lanny boy. But someone says it's Wales. That's not right is it?[/p][/quote]When all else fails, abject denial of reality will always see you through. Wales is a barnstorming success. How did we all not notice? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -6

12:49pm Thu 10 Jul 14

endthelies says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I would also suggest that only London has a growing economy. The majority of towns in the UK that are not seeing any of this growing economy.
mm most in england are its only wales that is going backwards
You're very wrong there scrap. Do you think all areas England have it good. I suggest you take a visit to any town in the uk that lot its heavy industries under the conservatives and you'll see they are just as deprived as areas of Wales. There were no pits in London though eh. Now surely even you, with you're blinkered point of view won't deny that The Black Country doesn't suffer with very high unemployment and deprivation. Take you're blinkers off and look at the state of the country you live in, not just the county.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I would also suggest that only London has a growing economy. The majority of towns in the UK that are not seeing any of this growing economy.[/p][/quote]mm most in england are its only wales that is going backwards[/p][/quote]You're very wrong there scrap. Do you think all areas England have it good. I suggest you take a visit to any town in the uk that lot its heavy industries under the conservatives and you'll see they are just as deprived as areas of Wales. There were no pits in London though eh. Now surely even you, with you're blinkered point of view won't deny that The Black Country doesn't suffer with very high unemployment and deprivation. Take you're blinkers off and look at the state of the country you live in, not just the county. endthelies
  • Score: 2

5:06pm Thu 10 Jul 14

endthelies says...

Please place your answer here scrap...............
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Please place your answer here scrap............... ....... endthelies
  • Score: -1

10:08pm Thu 10 Jul 14

endthelies says...

endthelies wrote:
Please place your answer here scrap...............

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A minus 2. Do I smell sour grapes at all :-)
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: Please place your answer here scrap............... .......[/p][/quote]A minus 2. Do I smell sour grapes at all :-) endthelies
  • Score: 0

10:15pm Thu 10 Jul 14

BobEvams2014 says...

I have just read that there is to be a vacancy in Uxbridge....... Boris anyone ?
I have just read that there is to be a vacancy in Uxbridge....... Boris anyone ? BobEvams2014
  • Score: 13

9:08am Fri 11 Jul 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Japan1 wrote:
the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.
Worthless in Newport unless you vote Labour.
[quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.[/p][/quote]Worthless in Newport unless you vote Labour. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -8

9:24am Fri 11 Jul 14

Japan1 says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Japan1 wrote:
the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.
Worthless in Newport unless you vote Labour.
.... and in Uxbridge unless you vote Tory
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.[/p][/quote]Worthless in Newport unless you vote Labour.[/p][/quote].... and in Uxbridge unless you vote Tory Japan1
  • Score: 7

9:38am Fri 11 Jul 14

endthelies says...

Japan1 wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Japan1 wrote:
the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.
Worthless in Newport unless you vote Labour.
.... and in Uxbridge unless you vote Tory
:-)
[quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.[/p][/quote]Worthless in Newport unless you vote Labour.[/p][/quote].... and in Uxbridge unless you vote Tory[/p][/quote]:-) endthelies
  • Score: -2

12:47pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Japan1 wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Japan1 wrote:
the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.
Worthless in Newport unless you vote Labour.
.... and in Uxbridge unless you vote Tory
Indeed. A system whereby only around 15% of seats can ever realistically change hands is bound to turn people off voting. As for the smug who happily accept the car crash Labour dominant, one-party state of Welsh politics, would they be so happy if Scotland leave the Union and Westminster becomes a permanent Tory majority? After all, that's the Parliament with the real power. Having everyone's preferences properly represented would be much healthier for everyone. Wouldn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.[/p][/quote]Worthless in Newport unless you vote Labour.[/p][/quote].... and in Uxbridge unless you vote Tory[/p][/quote]Indeed. A system whereby only around 15% of seats can ever realistically change hands is bound to turn people off voting. As for the smug who happily accept the car crash Labour dominant, one-party state of Welsh politics, would they be so happy if Scotland leave the Union and Westminster becomes a permanent Tory majority? After all, that's the Parliament with the real power. Having everyone's preferences properly represented would be much healthier for everyone. Wouldn't it? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -6

6:45pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Japan1 wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Japan1 wrote:
the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.
Worthless in Newport unless you vote Labour.
.... and in Uxbridge unless you vote Tory
Indeed. A system whereby only around 15% of seats can ever realistically change hands is bound to turn people off voting. As for the smug who happily accept the car crash Labour dominant, one-party state of Welsh politics, would they be so happy if Scotland leave the Union and Westminster becomes a permanent Tory majority? After all, that's the Parliament with the real power. Having everyone's preferences properly represented would be much healthier for everyone. Wouldn't it?
Actually it is nearer 85% of seats that are highly unlikely to change hands. It is only the marginal seats the Politian's ever bother about in General elections
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.[/p][/quote]Worthless in Newport unless you vote Labour.[/p][/quote].... and in Uxbridge unless you vote Tory[/p][/quote]Indeed. A system whereby only around 15% of seats can ever realistically change hands is bound to turn people off voting. As for the smug who happily accept the car crash Labour dominant, one-party state of Welsh politics, would they be so happy if Scotland leave the Union and Westminster becomes a permanent Tory majority? After all, that's the Parliament with the real power. Having everyone's preferences properly represented would be much healthier for everyone. Wouldn't it?[/p][/quote]Actually it is nearer 85% of seats that are highly unlikely to change hands. It is only the marginal seats the Politian's ever bother about in General elections Bobevans
  • Score: -11

9:20pm Fri 11 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

flyn and morden got on in newport due to the fantastic job the two of them done lol
flyn and morden got on in newport due to the fantastic job the two of them done lol scraptheWAG
  • Score: -14

10:05pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Bobevans wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Japan1 wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Japan1 wrote:
the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.
Worthless in Newport unless you vote Labour.
.... and in Uxbridge unless you vote Tory
Indeed. A system whereby only around 15% of seats can ever realistically change hands is bound to turn people off voting. As for the smug who happily accept the car crash Labour dominant, one-party state of Welsh politics, would they be so happy if Scotland leave the Union and Westminster becomes a permanent Tory majority? After all, that's the Parliament with the real power. Having everyone's preferences properly represented would be much healthier for everyone. Wouldn't it?
Actually it is nearer 85% of seats that are highly unlikely to change hands. It is only the marginal seats the Politian's ever bother about in General elections
100% minus 15% is 85% Bob. Lol
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: the fact that there are so many safe seats demonstrates a huge undemocratic flaw in the entire electoral system. The fact that in many constituencies a vote is practically worthless because of the ingrained habitual voting habits of the bulk of the constituents shouold make us question the legitimacy of our elected members. The fact that we as a nation rejected a better and more democratic form of election to me is shameful. Well I suppose it's true we get the government we deserve.[/p][/quote]Worthless in Newport unless you vote Labour.[/p][/quote].... and in Uxbridge unless you vote Tory[/p][/quote]Indeed. A system whereby only around 15% of seats can ever realistically change hands is bound to turn people off voting. As for the smug who happily accept the car crash Labour dominant, one-party state of Welsh politics, would they be so happy if Scotland leave the Union and Westminster becomes a permanent Tory majority? After all, that's the Parliament with the real power. Having everyone's preferences properly represented would be much healthier for everyone. Wouldn't it?[/p][/quote]Actually it is nearer 85% of seats that are highly unlikely to change hands. It is only the marginal seats the Politian's ever bother about in General elections[/p][/quote]100% minus 15% is 85% Bob. Lol Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -11

8:18am Sat 12 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
endthelies wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Port0214 wrote:
Good Job No Kids wrote:
Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette.

The electorate will only have themselves to blame.
May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.
You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)
stupid quote who runs the WAG and look at the state wales is in deespite receiving billions in grants
And who runs the United Kingdom as a whole, or have you forgotten? The cons are obviously a much better candidate for my vote in your opinion. But that's all it is. Your opinion. Its definitely not mine. You vote for who you want and so will I. Not because my father did or because I'm a sheep or because of any other insult you care to throw. Because I WANT to. Have you got it now Scrap. The clue is in the word WANT.
Yet the UK, run by the ConDems has the fastest growing economy it the Western world and will be larger than France by 2020. Some feat given what they inherited. Not perfect I'd agree but curious that even Labour are trying to out-do the Tories in cuts and austerity for their next potential term. Compare that with Wales. A one party state since forever and the biggest basket case in Europe. And you aren't even inclined to question why?
yes sadly wales is a economic basket case despite receiving billions in aid although we have something in wales that places like monacco will never have - The Welsh language lol
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Port0214[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: Just another Kinnock parasite on the payroll, but then most voters in that region would vote for a pig with a red rosette. The electorate will only have themselves to blame.[/p][/quote]May I be so bold as to correct you, the animal in question is a chimp not a pig.[/p][/quote]You two are so right. People would prefer to vote for a pig or a chimp than a conservative . They've got more going for them. I mean a pig has the intelligence of a four year old child. That puts the conservatives as 'also ran' for a start and a chimp would simply obliterate them :-)[/p][/quote]stupid quote who runs the WAG and look at the state wales is in deespite receiving billions in grants[/p][/quote]And who runs the United Kingdom as a whole, or have you forgotten? The cons are obviously a much better candidate for my vote in your opinion. But that's all it is. Your opinion. Its definitely not mine. You vote for who you want and so will I. Not because my father did or because I'm a sheep or because of any other insult you care to throw. Because I WANT to. Have you got it now Scrap. The clue is in the word WANT.[/p][/quote]Yet the UK, run by the ConDems has the fastest growing economy it the Western world and will be larger than France by 2020. Some feat given what they inherited. Not perfect I'd agree but curious that even Labour are trying to out-do the Tories in cuts and austerity for their next potential term. Compare that with Wales. A one party state since forever and the biggest basket case in Europe. And you aren't even inclined to question why?[/p][/quote]yes sadly wales is a economic basket case despite receiving billions in aid although we have something in wales that places like monacco will never have - The Welsh language lol scraptheWAG
  • Score: -9

9:31am Mon 14 Jul 14

-trigg- says...

All this proves is that democracy is a flawed system. The greatest strength of the democratic process - that all votes are equal - is also its greatest weakness.

I would prefer a system whereby people have to earn their right to vote, whether by being a net contributor to the nation or through passing a test that demonstrates an awareness of the relevant issues.
All this proves is that democracy is a flawed system. The greatest strength of the democratic process - that all votes are equal - is also its greatest weakness. I would prefer a system whereby people have to earn their right to vote, whether by being a net contributor to the nation or through passing a test that demonstrates an awareness of the relevant issues. -trigg-
  • Score: 1

9:54am Mon 14 Jul 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

-trigg- wrote:
All this proves is that democracy is a flawed system. The greatest strength of the democratic process - that all votes are equal - is also its greatest weakness.

I would prefer a system whereby people have to earn their right to vote, whether by being a net contributor to the nation or through passing a test that demonstrates an awareness of the relevant issues.
That would be a good idea.
Labour would lose heavily in Wales then as the vast majority wouldn't be able to demonstrate any awareness of the relevant issues.
They would be able to demonstrate that they had always voted Labour though as their fathers before them always did.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: All this proves is that democracy is a flawed system. The greatest strength of the democratic process - that all votes are equal - is also its greatest weakness. I would prefer a system whereby people have to earn their right to vote, whether by being a net contributor to the nation or through passing a test that demonstrates an awareness of the relevant issues.[/p][/quote]That would be a good idea. Labour would lose heavily in Wales then as the vast majority wouldn't be able to demonstrate any awareness of the relevant issues. They would be able to demonstrate that they had always voted Labour though as their fathers before them always did. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 0

11:17am Tue 15 Jul 14

Japan1 says...

-trigg- wrote:
All this proves is that democracy is a flawed system. The greatest strength of the democratic process - that all votes are equal - is also its greatest weakness.

I would prefer a system whereby people have to earn their right to vote, whether by being a net contributor to the nation or through passing a test that demonstrates an awareness of the relevant issues.
Given what we have gone through to get the vote for everybody any system that removes that right is wrong. Who judges net contribution? who sets the awareness test ? Having a system where each and every vote counts is what we should be aiming for, then the sheep, be they Tory. Labour or any other would have their position severely weakened.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: All this proves is that democracy is a flawed system. The greatest strength of the democratic process - that all votes are equal - is also its greatest weakness. I would prefer a system whereby people have to earn their right to vote, whether by being a net contributor to the nation or through passing a test that demonstrates an awareness of the relevant issues.[/p][/quote]Given what we have gone through to get the vote for everybody any system that removes that right is wrong. Who judges net contribution? who sets the awareness test ? Having a system where each and every vote counts is what we should be aiming for, then the sheep, be they Tory. Labour or any other would have their position severely weakened. Japan1
  • Score: 0

12:03pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Japan1 wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
All this proves is that democracy is a flawed system. The greatest strength of the democratic process - that all votes are equal - is also its greatest weakness.

I would prefer a system whereby people have to earn their right to vote, whether by being a net contributor to the nation or through passing a test that demonstrates an awareness of the relevant issues.
Given what we have gone through to get the vote for everybody any system that removes that right is wrong. Who judges net contribution? who sets the awareness test ? Having a system where each and every vote counts is what we should be aiming for, then the sheep, be they Tory. Labour or any other would have their position severely weakened.
That's a good point.
If everybody had voted in the assembly elections, we probably wouldn't have ended up with this 'excuse' for a government in Cardiff.
Noticed Wales came well below the North of England in attracting investment.
Former mining area and doing well, despite Margaret Thatcher.
Can't say the same about Wales.
[quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: All this proves is that democracy is a flawed system. The greatest strength of the democratic process - that all votes are equal - is also its greatest weakness. I would prefer a system whereby people have to earn their right to vote, whether by being a net contributor to the nation or through passing a test that demonstrates an awareness of the relevant issues.[/p][/quote]Given what we have gone through to get the vote for everybody any system that removes that right is wrong. Who judges net contribution? who sets the awareness test ? Having a system where each and every vote counts is what we should be aiming for, then the sheep, be they Tory. Labour or any other would have their position severely weakened.[/p][/quote]That's a good point. If everybody had voted in the assembly elections, we probably wouldn't have ended up with this 'excuse' for a government in Cardiff. Noticed Wales came well below the North of England in attracting investment. Former mining area and doing well, despite Margaret Thatcher. Can't say the same about Wales. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -1

7:30pm Tue 15 Jul 14

endthelies says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Japan1 wrote:
-trigg- wrote:
All this proves is that democracy is a flawed system. The greatest strength of the democratic process - that all votes are equal - is also its greatest weakness.

I would prefer a system whereby people have to earn their right to vote, whether by being a net contributor to the nation or through passing a test that demonstrates an awareness of the relevant issues.
Given what we have gone through to get the vote for everybody any system that removes that right is wrong. Who judges net contribution? who sets the awareness test ? Having a system where each and every vote counts is what we should be aiming for, then the sheep, be they Tory. Labour or any other would have their position severely weakened.
That's a good point.
If everybody had voted in the assembly elections, we probably wouldn't have ended up with this 'excuse' for a government in Cardiff.
Noticed Wales came well below the North of England in attracting investment.
Former mining area and doing well, despite Margaret Thatcher.
Can't say the same about Wales.
Yes you can. Northern England is a massive area. Some places have done well, some have not. The same can be said of Wales. Ebbw Vale for instance, has seen a lot of investment, Tredegar on the other hand has seen hardly any. So yes, you can compare Wales with Northern England.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: All this proves is that democracy is a flawed system. The greatest strength of the democratic process - that all votes are equal - is also its greatest weakness. I would prefer a system whereby people have to earn their right to vote, whether by being a net contributor to the nation or through passing a test that demonstrates an awareness of the relevant issues.[/p][/quote]Given what we have gone through to get the vote for everybody any system that removes that right is wrong. Who judges net contribution? who sets the awareness test ? Having a system where each and every vote counts is what we should be aiming for, then the sheep, be they Tory. Labour or any other would have their position severely weakened.[/p][/quote]That's a good point. If everybody had voted in the assembly elections, we probably wouldn't have ended up with this 'excuse' for a government in Cardiff. Noticed Wales came well below the North of England in attracting investment. Former mining area and doing well, despite Margaret Thatcher. Can't say the same about Wales.[/p][/quote]Yes you can. Northern England is a massive area. Some places have done well, some have not. The same can be said of Wales. Ebbw Vale for instance, has seen a lot of investment, Tredegar on the other hand has seen hardly any. So yes, you can compare Wales with Northern England. endthelies
  • Score: 0
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