Balls baloney

First published in Letters

I CRINGED when I read Ed Balls’ comments on the operation of the Barnett Formula.

This man used to be a Treasury adviser yet cannot understand or accept what has been argued by four different reports – that the Barnett Formula has no principle for its existence and operates against Wales.

But then, this is no surprise. After ten years as Chancellor, Gordon Brown himself did not understand the Barnett Formula, claiming it to be a needs-based formula when it is actually a population-based formula.

This lack of understanding shows just how little leverage Welsh Labour has at the top of their party.

I wonder what Peter Hain makes of these comments now since his recent Damascene-like conversion to Barnett reform?

Welsh Labour has wholly failed to even put Barnett on the agenda in their party, despite it costing Wales hundreds of millions of pounds every single year, hurting our public services because we have less money for our schools and hospitals.

Labour has paid lip service to putting Wales first while actively undermining our aspirations for a better society by under-funding Wales.

Andrew Nutt Heolddu Road Bargoed

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12:38pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

You want more money from Westminster and yet you want independence?
You want more money from Westminster and yet you want independence? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

1:33pm Mon 14 Jul 14

throwy1 says...

Yep and Yep. Sounds like a good deal to me
Yep and Yep. Sounds like a good deal to me throwy1
  • Score: 0

10:45pm Mon 14 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

Fair play and a level playing surface that's all Plaid has campaigned for. Once Wales is on the same par as the rest of the UK, then independance can have a proper debate.
Fair play and a level playing surface that's all Plaid has campaigned for. Once Wales is on the same par as the rest of the UK, then independance can have a proper debate. pwlldu
  • Score: -5

7:01am Tue 15 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Fair play and a level playing surface that's all Plaid has campaigned for. Once Wales is on the same par as the rest of the UK, then independance can have a proper debate.
That doesn't make sense. On the one hand you're suggesting Wales is so poor it needs even bigger handouts and then when it is depending on an annual subsidy of even more than £10 Billion, it cuts itself loose and manages without. No wonder everyone thinks Plaid lives in fantasy land.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Fair play and a level playing surface that's all Plaid has campaigned for. Once Wales is on the same par as the rest of the UK, then independance can have a proper debate.[/p][/quote]That doesn't make sense. On the one hand you're suggesting Wales is so poor it needs even bigger handouts and then when it is depending on an annual subsidy of even more than £10 Billion, it cuts itself loose and manages without. No wonder everyone thinks Plaid lives in fantasy land. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 3

2:01pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Japan1 says...

Plaid say we can have our cake AND we can eat it too, all paid for by someone else.
Plaid say we can have our cake AND we can eat it too, all paid for by someone else. Japan1
  • Score: 2

6:55pm Tue 15 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
Fair play and a level playing surface that's all Plaid has campaigned for. Once Wales is on the same par as the rest of the UK, then independance can have a proper debate.
That doesn't make sense. On the one hand you're suggesting Wales is so poor it needs even bigger handouts and then when it is depending on an annual subsidy of even more than £10 Billion, it cuts itself loose and manages without. No wonder everyone thinks Plaid lives in fantasy land.
these people really have lost the plot a independent wales funded by the english taxpayer ;lol Perhaps wales could earn 10 billion from global sales of welsh books !!
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Fair play and a level playing surface that's all Plaid has campaigned for. Once Wales is on the same par as the rest of the UK, then independance can have a proper debate.[/p][/quote]That doesn't make sense. On the one hand you're suggesting Wales is so poor it needs even bigger handouts and then when it is depending on an annual subsidy of even more than £10 Billion, it cuts itself loose and manages without. No wonder everyone thinks Plaid lives in fantasy land.[/p][/quote]these people really have lost the plot a independent wales funded by the english taxpayer ;lol Perhaps wales could earn 10 billion from global sales of welsh books !! scraptheWAG
  • Score: 2

10:39pm Tue 15 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

What do you think would happen if the no campaign in Scotland said all London parties will reform the Barnet Formula which would mean reducing the money Scotland gets. Would that increase the Yes or No voters. A statment like that would push up the Yest vote. Plaid is the only party that has said the Barnet Formula is unfair to Wales. Idependance is a journey and it will be up to the people of Wales how far do they want to go. At least the only Welsh party is willing to give the people a choice and not be dictated to by all 4 English ruled parties.
What do you think would happen if the no campaign in Scotland said all London parties will reform the Barnet Formula which would mean reducing the money Scotland gets. Would that increase the Yes or No voters. A statment like that would push up the Yest vote. Plaid is the only party that has said the Barnet Formula is unfair to Wales. Idependance is a journey and it will be up to the people of Wales how far do they want to go. At least the only Welsh party is willing to give the people a choice and not be dictated to by all 4 English ruled parties. pwlldu
  • Score: -1

7:31am Wed 16 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
What do you think would happen if the no campaign in Scotland said all London parties will reform the Barnet Formula which would mean reducing the money Scotland gets. Would that increase the Yes or No voters. A statment like that would push up the Yest vote. Plaid is the only party that has said the Barnet Formula is unfair to Wales. Idependance is a journey and it will be up to the people of Wales how far do they want to go. At least the only Welsh party is willing to give the people a choice and not be dictated to by all 4 English ruled parties.
You've posted on here dozens of times that Wales should be independent which would mean no Barnet formula or subsidy of any kind. Why the Damascene conversion? You either accept that the money being raised from taxpayers elsewhere have some say in how it's spent or you don't. Or are you after the 'have your cake and eat it' option where other people send you money but mind their own business otherwise ?
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: What do you think would happen if the no campaign in Scotland said all London parties will reform the Barnet Formula which would mean reducing the money Scotland gets. Would that increase the Yes or No voters. A statment like that would push up the Yest vote. Plaid is the only party that has said the Barnet Formula is unfair to Wales. Idependance is a journey and it will be up to the people of Wales how far do they want to go. At least the only Welsh party is willing to give the people a choice and not be dictated to by all 4 English ruled parties.[/p][/quote]You've posted on here dozens of times that Wales should be independent which would mean no Barnet formula or subsidy of any kind. Why the Damascene conversion? You either accept that the money being raised from taxpayers elsewhere have some say in how it's spent or you don't. Or are you after the 'have your cake and eat it' option where other people send you money but mind their own business otherwise ? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 0

8:45pm Thu 17 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

Llanmartinangel says... Well I'm living in the now and Wales is grossly under funded. All English parties have said this but no party is willing to make it fairier. In the future when Wales gets of its knees and gain some confidence and self respect, then we could follow Scotland's referendum.
Llanmartinangel says... Well I'm living in the now and Wales is grossly under funded. All English parties have said this but no party is willing to make it fairier. In the future when Wales gets of its knees and gain some confidence and self respect, then we could follow Scotland's referendum. pwlldu
  • Score: 1

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