No parachutes

First published in Letters

I REFER to the letter from Pat Davies of Pontywaun against the parachuting of Neil Kinnock’s son into a safe Welsh Labour seat. The comments online indicate a big support for this objection. I too am sorely against this practice.

Newport Labour once adopted this approach in the 90s, when Newport saw the election of Alan Howarth. Not a great success, and the MP rarely seen in the City, was replaced. Given this example, it is not healthy for Kinnock’s son to suddenly return to The Land of My Fathers!

There are scores of excellent potential candidates in Wales who would have a lot to offer in government so the very thought of a parachute should be scuppered.

I would have thought. The Kinnock family have had a fair share of politics and are now enjoying the financial rewards. Seek a seat in Milton Keynes, Mr Kinnock’s son.

Jim Dyer Stockton Road Newport

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1:57pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Good Job No Kids says...

The fact is he won't get nominated for anywhere else, only the blinkered, bitter and twisted labour voting welsh would tolerate this.
The fact is he won't get nominated for anywhere else, only the blinkered, bitter and twisted labour voting welsh would tolerate this. Good Job No Kids
  • Score: 4

2:18pm Tue 15 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
The fact is he won't get nominated for anywhere else, only the blinkered, bitter and twisted labour voting welsh would tolerate this.
Fact is it?
Might be worth a visit to your nearest library (not that someone like you would set foot in one) and check the dictionary definition of 'fact'.
You might be surprised.
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: The fact is he won't get nominated for anywhere else, only the blinkered, bitter and twisted labour voting welsh would tolerate this.[/p][/quote]Fact is it? Might be worth a visit to your nearest library (not that someone like you would set foot in one) and check the dictionary definition of 'fact'. You might be surprised. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -3

6:27pm Tue 15 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

it is pathetic that people in wales are so addic ted to benefits that they vote these clowns in
it is pathetic that people in wales are so addic ted to benefits that they vote these clowns in scraptheWAG
  • Score: 3

7:52pm Tue 15 Jul 14

endthelies says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
it is pathetic that people in wales are so addic ted to benefits that they vote these clowns in
I can name this tune in one...........Ive heard it over and over again(and it still sounds like a load of old rubbish) Its time to try and choose some new lyrics scrap. How about,
1. not only people in wales vote labour or
2. Not everyone who votes labour is unemployed or
3. People vote for who they want to, not because their father did.
4. people wont vote conservative because they hate them and all they stand for.

GO ON. TRY IT JUST FOR ME. YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO. Or are you just going to do as your father did and keep voting conservative :)
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: it is pathetic that people in wales are so addic ted to benefits that they vote these clowns in[/p][/quote]I can name this tune in one...........Ive heard it over and over again(and it still sounds like a load of old rubbish) Its time to try and choose some new lyrics scrap. How about, 1. not only people in wales vote labour or 2. Not everyone who votes labour is unemployed or 3. People vote for who they want to, not because their father did. 4. people wont vote conservative because they hate them and all they stand for. GO ON. TRY IT JUST FOR ME. YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO. Or are you just going to do as your father did and keep voting conservative :) endthelies
  • Score: -1

10:13pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Why is the party which opposes dynastic priveledge happy to keep power in their own families? The Benns, Blair's and Kinnocks love to play the guaranteed 'job for life' circuit at taxpayers expense which they apparently hated in the House of Lords. Hypocrites.
Why is the party which opposes dynastic priveledge happy to keep power in their own families? The Benns, Blair's and Kinnocks love to play the guaranteed 'job for life' circuit at taxpayers expense which they apparently hated in the House of Lords. Hypocrites. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 2

10:46am Wed 16 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

The rules should be changed so that to stand as an MP you have to have been normally resident in the constituency for at least the last 5 years

In the case of AM's you have to have been normally resident in that region for at least the past 5 years
The rules should be changed so that to stand as an MP you have to have been normally resident in the constituency for at least the last 5 years In the case of AM's you have to have been normally resident in that region for at least the past 5 years Bobevans
  • Score: 5

4:15pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Good Job No Kids says...

endthelies wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
it is pathetic that people in wales are so addic ted to benefits that they vote these clowns in
I can name this tune in one...........Ive heard it over and over again(and it still sounds like a load of old rubbish) Its time to try and choose some new lyrics scrap. How about,
1. not only people in wales vote labour or
2. Not everyone who votes labour is unemployed or
3. People vote for who they want to, not because their father did.
4. people wont vote conservative because they hate them and all they stand for.

GO ON. TRY IT JUST FOR ME. YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO. Or are you just going to do as your father did and keep voting conservative :)
Why? Is it because Welsh Labour are doing such a sterling job with our schools, NHS and public services?
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: it is pathetic that people in wales are so addic ted to benefits that they vote these clowns in[/p][/quote]I can name this tune in one...........Ive heard it over and over again(and it still sounds like a load of old rubbish) Its time to try and choose some new lyrics scrap. How about, 1. not only people in wales vote labour or 2. Not everyone who votes labour is unemployed or 3. People vote for who they want to, not because their father did. 4. people wont vote conservative because they hate them and all they stand for. GO ON. TRY IT JUST FOR ME. YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO. Or are you just going to do as your father did and keep voting conservative :)[/p][/quote]Why? Is it because Welsh Labour are doing such a sterling job with our schools, NHS and public services? Good Job No Kids
  • Score: -3

6:07pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

Bobevans wrote:
The rules should be changed so that to stand as an MP you have to have been normally resident in the constituency for at least the last 5 years

In the case of AM's you have to have been normally resident in that region for at least the past 5 years
Does this apply to Nigel Farage as well ?
And Boris Johnson ?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: The rules should be changed so that to stand as an MP you have to have been normally resident in the constituency for at least the last 5 years In the case of AM's you have to have been normally resident in that region for at least the past 5 years[/p][/quote]Does this apply to Nigel Farage as well ? And Boris Johnson ? Mr Angry
  • Score: 1

8:59pm Wed 16 Jul 14

endthelies says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
endthelies wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
it is pathetic that people in wales are so addic ted to benefits that they vote these clowns in
I can name this tune in one...........Ive heard it over and over again(and it still sounds like a load of old rubbish) Its time to try and choose some new lyrics scrap. How about,
1. not only people in wales vote labour or
2. Not everyone who votes labour is unemployed or
3. People vote for who they want to, not because their father did.
4. people wont vote conservative because they hate them and all they stand for.

GO ON. TRY IT JUST FOR ME. YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO. Or are you just going to do as your father did and keep voting conservative :)
Why? Is it because Welsh Labour are doing such a sterling job with our schools, NHS and public services?
Or is it because you are 'good job, no kids' and, I assume, not disabled, therefore maybe a little better off than the working class folk with low paid jobs and so are not getting the sharp end of the stick from this government. Foe me, and that's my opinion, I would not vote conservative for those very reasons. At least I can communicate rationally and give sound reasons for my opinions rather than stating the same old rubbish such as , "people only vote labour because they are unemployed, or "people only vote labour because they are an underclass of people" or people only vote labour because their father did. They are silly, untrue and totally illogical reasons which ferequently come from some posters on here and then they wonder why people wouldn't vote conservative! I suggest they look at the language they are using and the derogatory remarks they make because all they are actually doing is proving MY point. Conservatives are only interested in the more well to do of the country. I have never said I'd vote Labour. Just that I wouldn't vote conservative.
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: it is pathetic that people in wales are so addic ted to benefits that they vote these clowns in[/p][/quote]I can name this tune in one...........Ive heard it over and over again(and it still sounds like a load of old rubbish) Its time to try and choose some new lyrics scrap. How about, 1. not only people in wales vote labour or 2. Not everyone who votes labour is unemployed or 3. People vote for who they want to, not because their father did. 4. people wont vote conservative because they hate them and all they stand for. GO ON. TRY IT JUST FOR ME. YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO. Or are you just going to do as your father did and keep voting conservative :)[/p][/quote]Why? Is it because Welsh Labour are doing such a sterling job with our schools, NHS and public services?[/p][/quote]Or is it because you are 'good job, no kids' and, I assume, not disabled, therefore maybe a little better off than the working class folk with low paid jobs and so are not getting the sharp end of the stick from this government. Foe me, and that's my opinion, I would not vote conservative for those very reasons. At least I can communicate rationally and give sound reasons for my opinions rather than stating the same old rubbish such as , "people only vote labour because they are unemployed, or "people only vote labour because they are an underclass of people" or people only vote labour because their father did. They are silly, untrue and totally illogical reasons which ferequently come from some posters on here and then they wonder why people wouldn't vote conservative! I suggest they look at the language they are using and the derogatory remarks they make because all they are actually doing is proving MY point. Conservatives are only interested in the more well to do of the country. I have never said I'd vote Labour. Just that I wouldn't vote conservative. endthelies
  • Score: 2

9:18pm Wed 16 Jul 14

endthelies says...

And whoever gave that quote two plusses should hang their head in shame!! Nasty, very very nasty.
And whoever gave that quote two plusses should hang their head in shame!! Nasty, very very nasty. endthelies
  • Score: 2

9:46am Thu 17 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

Bobevans wrote:
The rules should be changed so that to stand as an MP you have to have been normally resident in the constituency for at least the last 5 years. Then Labour, Tory, Lib Dems and UKIP would have trouble finding local candidates.
Bobevans wrote: The rules should be changed so that to stand as an MP you have to have been normally resident in the constituency for at least the last 5 years. Then Labour, Tory, Lib Dems and UKIP would have trouble finding local candidates. pwlldu
  • Score: 1

1:22pm Fri 18 Jul 14

varteg1 says...

As I understand it, it is the LOCAL party that opts for the candidate it wishes to go forward to the election.

Although I accept this could mean the local party chooses a Kinnock, it is nit necessarily a foregone conclusion.

I recall when attending an adoption meeting for our local candidate, those in the meeting opted for Joan Ruddock, but we were out voted by the local party who chose Paul Murphy, a man so local he almost lived in the school where the meeting was held.

I had the feeling at the time that Joan had been the choice of party HQ.

So you see, sometimes those 'chutes just don't open, or if they do, the prevailing wind blows them way off the landing site.
As I understand it, it is the LOCAL party that opts for the candidate it wishes to go forward to the election. Although I accept this could mean the local party chooses a Kinnock, it is nit necessarily a foregone conclusion. I recall when attending an adoption meeting for our local candidate, those in the meeting opted for Joan Ruddock, but we were out voted by the local party who chose Paul Murphy, a man so local he almost lived in the school where the meeting was held. I had the feeling at the time that Joan had been the choice of party HQ. So you see, sometimes those 'chutes just don't open, or if they do, the prevailing wind blows them way off the landing site. varteg1
  • Score: 2

7:53pm Fri 25 Jul 14

taffygwent says...

Blaenau Gwent did not accept a parachuted Maggie Jones and what happened? a red robe and ermine was found for her
Blaenau Gwent did not accept a parachuted Maggie Jones and what happened? a red robe and ermine was found for her taffygwent
  • Score: 0

8:45pm Fri 25 Jul 14

varteg1 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
The rules should be changed so that to stand as an MP you have to have been normally resident in the constituency for at least the last 5 years

In the case of AM's you have to have been normally resident in that region for at least the past 5 years
Does this apply to Nigel Farage as well ?
And Boris Johnson ?
Not sure I understand that....

If I read you right my local AM has never lived here in my locality, in fact she resides n early 40 miles away.

Are you saying the rules say she should live in her constituency?

If that is the rule then I will be applying for her relocation, or removal ,should she refuse.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: The rules should be changed so that to stand as an MP you have to have been normally resident in the constituency for at least the last 5 years In the case of AM's you have to have been normally resident in that region for at least the past 5 years[/p][/quote]Does this apply to Nigel Farage as well ? And Boris Johnson ?[/p][/quote]Not sure I understand that.... If I read you right my local AM has never lived here in my locality, in fact she resides n early 40 miles away. Are you saying the rules say she should live in her constituency? If that is the rule then I will be applying for her relocation, or removal ,should she refuse. varteg1
  • Score: 0

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