Cut councils

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IT is utterly ridiculous asking councils to self regulate their demise. These “executives” have their snouts deeply entrenched in the trough and have no desire to pull them out.

The Assembly government has shown no leadership here and, in my opinion, the cuts don’t go far enough. There should only be five councils in Wales.

The five councils should be Gwent (Caerphilly, Newport, Monmouthshire, Torfaen and Blaenau Gwent), East Glamorgan (Cardiff, Vale, RCT and Merthyr) , West Glamorgan (Swansea, NPT and Bridgend), Dyfed-Powys (Carmarthenshire, Powys, Ceredigion and Pembrokeshire), Clwyd-Gwynedd (Flintshire, Wrexham, Gwynedd, Conwy, Denbighshire and Anglesey).

These councils would each then have responsibility for between 500,000 and 750,000 people which is a far more even spread, population wise, than the current 250,000 down to 60,000.

Surely this is the very thing that the Welsh Assembly should be leading. It’s time the Welsh Assembly got a grip and stopped allowing councils to waste so much of our money on 22 bloated managerial structures.

Julian Marchant, Pen y Glog Road, Llandegfedd

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1:31pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Walter Devereux says...

Why stop at five? Why not go all the way down to one or zero? Then we truly will have lost local democracy. Oh and your choices of names would cause endless debate. At that scale you may as well call them "North", "South West", &c.
Why stop at five? Why not go all the way down to one or zero? Then we truly will have lost local democracy. Oh and your choices of names would cause endless debate. At that scale you may as well call them "North", "South West", &c. Walter Devereux
  • Score: 1

3:43pm Thu 17 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

They're a bit big. The Unitary authorities in England are a max of 500,000 people (well, 533,000 for Cornwall).
They're a bit big. The Unitary authorities in England are a max of 500,000 people (well, 533,000 for Cornwall). mkaibear1
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5:41pm Thu 17 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
They're a bit big. The Unitary authorities in England are a max of 500,000 people (well, 533,000 for Cornwall).
Yes but they don't have the glorious, super-efficient, cutting edge WAG as well.
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: They're a bit big. The Unitary authorities in England are a max of 500,000 people (well, 533,000 for Cornwall).[/p][/quote]Yes but they don't have the glorious, super-efficient, cutting edge WAG as well. Llanmartinangel
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5:48pm Thu 17 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote:
They're a bit big. The Unitary authorities in England are a max of 500,000 people (well, 533,000 for Cornwall).
Yes but they don't have the glorious, super-efficient, cutting edge WAG as well.
Genuine lol!
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: They're a bit big. The Unitary authorities in England are a max of 500,000 people (well, 533,000 for Cornwall).[/p][/quote]Yes but they don't have the glorious, super-efficient, cutting edge WAG as well.[/p][/quote]Genuine lol! mkaibear1
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6:49pm Thu 17 Jul 14

scraptheWAG says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote:
They're a bit big. The Unitary authorities in England are a max of 500,000 people (well, 533,000 for Cornwall).
Yes but they don't have the glorious, super-efficient, cutting edge WAG as well.
Genuine lol!
yes 5 is plenty and of course they wont self regulate they have chief executives deputy chief executives in fact all the labour family can have a job
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: They're a bit big. The Unitary authorities in England are a max of 500,000 people (well, 533,000 for Cornwall).[/p][/quote]Yes but they don't have the glorious, super-efficient, cutting edge WAG as well.[/p][/quote]Genuine lol![/p][/quote]yes 5 is plenty and of course they wont self regulate they have chief executives deputy chief executives in fact all the labour family can have a job scraptheWAG
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11:19am Fri 18 Jul 14

Realist UK says...

However many councils we have they will all be subjected to megalomaniac executives. Caerphilly being a good example.
However many councils we have they will all be subjected to megalomaniac executives. Caerphilly being a good example. Realist UK
  • Score: 0

1:35pm Fri 18 Jul 14

gingertom says...

Realist UK

You are spot on!

CCBC SAY “YES” TO PARKING CHARGES
AT COUNTRY PARKS

BY: Lynne Hughes-Williams
Caerphilly

17 Jul 2014 — At a meeting held yesterday, there was a unanimous vote to say “yes” to car parking charges at our country parks, despite strong arguments and counter-proposals being put forward on behalf of over 3,000 complainants who signed the petition.

For those who attended the meeting were left feeling totally dismayed, bewildered and speechless, not by the decision but by the manner of the process, which was wholly lacking in any suggestion of democracy. Democracy was not seen to be done.

The speech that I prepared to submit to the Cabinet members for which I had to seek permission for someone to read on our behalf of the complainants; as the public are not allowed to present their own arguments which was read by a Councillor of (“Plaid Cymru) to the Cabinet. Firstly the report was read; read without any emotion, it was all monotone and despondent and showing defeat.

Many issues were raised within that speech regarding the Council’s failure to respond to questions and their failure to give specific replies in the report to questions raised by complainants.

Then the report writer is called to give her response to the issues raised within the speech, she totally disregarded what were our arguments and counter-proposals and stuck with the generic content of the report prepared by her and we could barely understand what she was saying.

We then thought that there was then going to be a discussion amongst the Cabinet Members, oh no! One Councillor Mr Ken James spoke and then he couldn’t even get it right. He was stating that the decision was already made back in February, and therefore as far as he was concerned it was done and dusted – on so many words – again acoustics was no good! And his back was to us.

Then the Chief Executive Stuart Rosser (I don’t know if he normally sits in on these meetings) had to point out to Mr James that the meeting in February was in fact to approve the budget within which the car parking charges were included not to approve the car parking charges then, and that the meeting being held today was to decide on the car parking charges. How wrong can you get it? There was no further comment from him. What?

Then Councillor Reynolds then gave a short speech about the cuts that the Council were facing and so on and so on, and then they voted! At which point, I and the others must have fallen asleep for 10 minutes, because I did not witness any discussion.

They simply moved to a show of hands all of whom voted, or so it would appear, it happened all so quickly, although I’m sure there was one person I didn’t see put his hands up, but who am I?

Just before leaving I attempted to get an opportunity to express our disappointment and their lack of respect to consider our arguments and counter-proposals but was shot down and told that we were not allowed to speak and so I stopped, although we went out in a “blaze” when one of the petitioners shouted “you will hear what I have to say even if it is on our way out” – and on she went to say what a bunch of idiots..............
.......and so on” I won’t mention any names.

IT WAS A TOTAL AND UTTER SHAM! THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY – THE PUBLIC DO NOT COUNT – IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY FOR THE FAT CATS AT THE TOP! SELF IMPORTANCE FULFILLING THEIR OWN AMBITIONS AND GOALS TO PROVE THEMSELVES - IT’S AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!

We understand that we are all facing cuts, what our simple argument was that this scheme was not suitable and would not generate the revenue to help with saving money, what revenue it may generate would be so little it would not have an impact, but it would hurt the pockets of those who are already hurting! No-one is feeling it more than us workers, retired people and those with ill-health.

From what I have seen, procedure has not been followed correctly!

The report will be available on-line sometime next week. Look under the tab on the CCBC website Council and Democracy and follow from there.

Any comments please feel free to refer them to the Council!.
Chief Executive - Stuart Rosser
His e-mail is: stuartrosser@Caerphi
lly.gov.uk
Monitoring Officer : Gail Morgan
E-mail : willige@Caerphilly.g
ov.uk
Realist UK You are spot on! CCBC SAY “YES” TO PARKING CHARGES AT COUNTRY PARKS BY: Lynne Hughes-Williams Caerphilly 17 Jul 2014 — At a meeting held yesterday, there was a unanimous vote to say “yes” to car parking charges at our country parks, despite strong arguments and counter-proposals being put forward on behalf of over 3,000 complainants who signed the petition. For those who attended the meeting were left feeling totally dismayed, bewildered and speechless, not by the decision but by the manner of the process, which was wholly lacking in any suggestion of democracy. Democracy was not seen to be done. The speech that I prepared to submit to the Cabinet members for which I had to seek permission for someone to read on our behalf of the complainants; as the public are not allowed to present their own arguments which was read by a Councillor of (“Plaid Cymru) to the Cabinet. Firstly the report was read; read without any emotion, it was all monotone and despondent and showing defeat. Many issues were raised within that speech regarding the Council’s failure to respond to questions and their failure to give specific replies in the report to questions raised by complainants. Then the report writer is called to give her response to the issues raised within the speech, she totally disregarded what were our arguments and counter-proposals and stuck with the generic content of the report prepared by her and we could barely understand what she was saying. We then thought that there was then going to be a discussion amongst the Cabinet Members, oh no! One Councillor Mr Ken James spoke and then he couldn’t even get it right. He was stating that the decision was already made back in February, and therefore as far as he was concerned it was done and dusted – on so many words – again acoustics was no good! And his back was to us. Then the Chief Executive Stuart Rosser (I don’t know if he normally sits in on these meetings) had to point out to Mr James that the meeting in February was in fact to approve the budget within which the car parking charges were included not to approve the car parking charges then, and that the meeting being held today was to decide on the car parking charges. How wrong can you get it? There was no further comment from him. What? Then Councillor Reynolds then gave a short speech about the cuts that the Council were facing and so on and so on, and then they voted! At which point, I and the others must have fallen asleep for 10 minutes, because I did not witness any discussion. They simply moved to a show of hands all of whom voted, or so it would appear, it happened all so quickly, although I’m sure there was one person I didn’t see put his hands up, but who am I? Just before leaving I attempted to get an opportunity to express our disappointment and their lack of respect to consider our arguments and counter-proposals but was shot down and told that we were not allowed to speak and so I stopped, although we went out in a “blaze” when one of the petitioners shouted “you will hear what I have to say even if it is on our way out” – and on she went to say what a bunch of idiots.............. .......and so on” I won’t mention any names. IT WAS A TOTAL AND UTTER SHAM! THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY – THE PUBLIC DO NOT COUNT – IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY FOR THE FAT CATS AT THE TOP! SELF IMPORTANCE FULFILLING THEIR OWN AMBITIONS AND GOALS TO PROVE THEMSELVES - IT’S AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE! We understand that we are all facing cuts, what our simple argument was that this scheme was not suitable and would not generate the revenue to help with saving money, what revenue it may generate would be so little it would not have an impact, but it would hurt the pockets of those who are already hurting! No-one is feeling it more than us workers, retired people and those with ill-health. From what I have seen, procedure has not been followed correctly! The report will be available on-line sometime next week. Look under the tab on the CCBC website Council and Democracy and follow from there. Any comments please feel free to refer them to the Council!. Chief Executive - Stuart Rosser His e-mail is: stuartrosser@Caerphi lly.gov.uk Monitoring Officer : Gail Morgan E-mail : willige@Caerphilly.g ov.uk gingertom
  • Score: 1

1:36pm Fri 18 Jul 14

gingertom says...

We call on the National Assembly for Wales to urge the Welsh Government to scrap Councillors’ salaries. With cuts to public services and increases in council tax it is right that councillors share the burden by having their salaries scrapped and replaced with payments of reimbursement only, much like magistrates. This will help to make savings in expensive local democracy.

https://www.assembly
wales.org/epetition-
list-of-signatories.
htm?pet_id=1031
We call on the National Assembly for Wales to urge the Welsh Government to scrap Councillors’ salaries. With cuts to public services and increases in council tax it is right that councillors share the burden by having their salaries scrapped and replaced with payments of reimbursement only, much like magistrates. This will help to make savings in expensive local democracy. https://www.assembly wales.org/epetition- list-of-signatories. htm?pet_id=1031 gingertom
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1:40pm Fri 18 Jul 14

gingertom says...

this is the latest disgrace from caerphilly:

http://www.caerphill
yobserver.co.uk/news
/945584/caerphilly-c
ouncils-meals-on-whe
els-service-could-be
-axed-to-save-252000
-a-year/
this is the latest disgrace from caerphilly: http://www.caerphill yobserver.co.uk/news /945584/caerphilly-c ouncils-meals-on-whe els-service-could-be -axed-to-save-252000 -a-year/ gingertom
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5:21pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

Walter Devereux wrote:
Why stop at five? Why not go all the way down to one or zero? Then we truly will have lost local democracy. Oh and your choices of names would cause endless debate. At that scale you may as well call them "North", "South West", &c.
Why are you assuming fewer councils mean less democracy. You will still have local councillors to represent you

You local Tesco's does not have a full management team at every local store. The centralise functions where it is sensible and cost effective to do so. Do we need every council having its own call centre , HR, Finance, Education Social Services departments ?
[quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: Why stop at five? Why not go all the way down to one or zero? Then we truly will have lost local democracy. Oh and your choices of names would cause endless debate. At that scale you may as well call them "North", "South West", &c.[/p][/quote]Why are you assuming fewer councils mean less democracy. You will still have local councillors to represent you You local Tesco's does not have a full management team at every local store. The centralise functions where it is sensible and cost effective to do so. Do we need every council having its own call centre , HR, Finance, Education Social Services departments ? Bobevans
  • Score: -1

5:23pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

gingertom wrote:
Realist UK

You are spot on!

CCBC SAY “YES” TO PARKING CHARGES
AT COUNTRY PARKS

BY: Lynne Hughes-Williams
Caerphilly

17 Jul 2014 — At a meeting held yesterday, there was a unanimous vote to say “yes” to car parking charges at our country parks, despite strong arguments and counter-proposals being put forward on behalf of over 3,000 complainants who signed the petition.

For those who attended the meeting were left feeling totally dismayed, bewildered and speechless, not by the decision but by the manner of the process, which was wholly lacking in any suggestion of democracy. Democracy was not seen to be done.

The speech that I prepared to submit to the Cabinet members for which I had to seek permission for someone to read on our behalf of the complainants; as the public are not allowed to present their own arguments which was read by a Councillor of (“Plaid Cymru) to the Cabinet. Firstly the report was read; read without any emotion, it was all monotone and despondent and showing defeat.

Many issues were raised within that speech regarding the Council’s failure to respond to questions and their failure to give specific replies in the report to questions raised by complainants.

Then the report writer is called to give her response to the issues raised within the speech, she totally disregarded what were our arguments and counter-proposals and stuck with the generic content of the report prepared by her and we could barely understand what she was saying.

We then thought that there was then going to be a discussion amongst the Cabinet Members, oh no! One Councillor Mr Ken James spoke and then he couldn’t even get it right. He was stating that the decision was already made back in February, and therefore as far as he was concerned it was done and dusted – on so many words – again acoustics was no good! And his back was to us.

Then the Chief Executive Stuart Rosser (I don’t know if he normally sits in on these meetings) had to point out to Mr James that the meeting in February was in fact to approve the budget within which the car parking charges were included not to approve the car parking charges then, and that the meeting being held today was to decide on the car parking charges. How wrong can you get it? There was no further comment from him. What?

Then Councillor Reynolds then gave a short speech about the cuts that the Council were facing and so on and so on, and then they voted! At which point, I and the others must have fallen asleep for 10 minutes, because I did not witness any discussion.

They simply moved to a show of hands all of whom voted, or so it would appear, it happened all so quickly, although I’m sure there was one person I didn’t see put his hands up, but who am I?

Just before leaving I attempted to get an opportunity to express our disappointment and their lack of respect to consider our arguments and counter-proposals but was shot down and told that we were not allowed to speak and so I stopped, although we went out in a “blaze” when one of the petitioners shouted “you will hear what I have to say even if it is on our way out” – and on she went to say what a bunch of idiots..............

.......and so on” I won’t mention any names.

IT WAS A TOTAL AND UTTER SHAM! THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY – THE PUBLIC DO NOT COUNT – IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY FOR THE FAT CATS AT THE TOP! SELF IMPORTANCE FULFILLING THEIR OWN AMBITIONS AND GOALS TO PROVE THEMSELVES - IT’S AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!

We understand that we are all facing cuts, what our simple argument was that this scheme was not suitable and would not generate the revenue to help with saving money, what revenue it may generate would be so little it would not have an impact, but it would hurt the pockets of those who are already hurting! No-one is feeling it more than us workers, retired people and those with ill-health.

From what I have seen, procedure has not been followed correctly!

The report will be available on-line sometime next week. Look under the tab on the CCBC website Council and Democracy and follow from there.

Any comments please feel free to refer them to the Council!.
Chief Executive - Stuart Rosser
His e-mail is: stuartrosser@Caerphi

lly.gov.uk
Monitoring Officer : Gail Morgan
E-mail : willige@Caerphilly.g

ov.uk
What exactly is wrong with those that use these parks paying to park, You seem quite happy to pass the cost onto others just as long as it is not you paying
[quote][p][bold]gingertom[/bold] wrote: Realist UK You are spot on! CCBC SAY “YES” TO PARKING CHARGES AT COUNTRY PARKS BY: Lynne Hughes-Williams Caerphilly 17 Jul 2014 — At a meeting held yesterday, there was a unanimous vote to say “yes” to car parking charges at our country parks, despite strong arguments and counter-proposals being put forward on behalf of over 3,000 complainants who signed the petition. For those who attended the meeting were left feeling totally dismayed, bewildered and speechless, not by the decision but by the manner of the process, which was wholly lacking in any suggestion of democracy. Democracy was not seen to be done. The speech that I prepared to submit to the Cabinet members for which I had to seek permission for someone to read on our behalf of the complainants; as the public are not allowed to present their own arguments which was read by a Councillor of (“Plaid Cymru) to the Cabinet. Firstly the report was read; read without any emotion, it was all monotone and despondent and showing defeat. Many issues were raised within that speech regarding the Council’s failure to respond to questions and their failure to give specific replies in the report to questions raised by complainants. Then the report writer is called to give her response to the issues raised within the speech, she totally disregarded what were our arguments and counter-proposals and stuck with the generic content of the report prepared by her and we could barely understand what she was saying. We then thought that there was then going to be a discussion amongst the Cabinet Members, oh no! One Councillor Mr Ken James spoke and then he couldn’t even get it right. He was stating that the decision was already made back in February, and therefore as far as he was concerned it was done and dusted – on so many words – again acoustics was no good! And his back was to us. Then the Chief Executive Stuart Rosser (I don’t know if he normally sits in on these meetings) had to point out to Mr James that the meeting in February was in fact to approve the budget within which the car parking charges were included not to approve the car parking charges then, and that the meeting being held today was to decide on the car parking charges. How wrong can you get it? There was no further comment from him. What? Then Councillor Reynolds then gave a short speech about the cuts that the Council were facing and so on and so on, and then they voted! At which point, I and the others must have fallen asleep for 10 minutes, because I did not witness any discussion. They simply moved to a show of hands all of whom voted, or so it would appear, it happened all so quickly, although I’m sure there was one person I didn’t see put his hands up, but who am I? Just before leaving I attempted to get an opportunity to express our disappointment and their lack of respect to consider our arguments and counter-proposals but was shot down and told that we were not allowed to speak and so I stopped, although we went out in a “blaze” when one of the petitioners shouted “you will hear what I have to say even if it is on our way out” – and on she went to say what a bunch of idiots.............. .......and so on” I won’t mention any names. IT WAS A TOTAL AND UTTER SHAM! THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY – THE PUBLIC DO NOT COUNT – IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY FOR THE FAT CATS AT THE TOP! SELF IMPORTANCE FULFILLING THEIR OWN AMBITIONS AND GOALS TO PROVE THEMSELVES - IT’S AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE! We understand that we are all facing cuts, what our simple argument was that this scheme was not suitable and would not generate the revenue to help with saving money, what revenue it may generate would be so little it would not have an impact, but it would hurt the pockets of those who are already hurting! No-one is feeling it more than us workers, retired people and those with ill-health. From what I have seen, procedure has not been followed correctly! The report will be available on-line sometime next week. Look under the tab on the CCBC website Council and Democracy and follow from there. Any comments please feel free to refer them to the Council!. Chief Executive - Stuart Rosser His e-mail is: stuartrosser@Caerphi lly.gov.uk Monitoring Officer : Gail Morgan E-mail : willige@Caerphilly.g ov.uk[/p][/quote]What exactly is wrong with those that use these parks paying to park, You seem quite happy to pass the cost onto others just as long as it is not you paying Bobevans
  • Score: -1

5:23pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

gingertom wrote:
Realist UK

You are spot on!

CCBC SAY “YES” TO PARKING CHARGES
AT COUNTRY PARKS

BY: Lynne Hughes-Williams
Caerphilly

17 Jul 2014 — At a meeting held yesterday, there was a unanimous vote to say “yes” to car parking charges at our country parks, despite strong arguments and counter-proposals being put forward on behalf of over 3,000 complainants who signed the petition.

For those who attended the meeting were left feeling totally dismayed, bewildered and speechless, not by the decision but by the manner of the process, which was wholly lacking in any suggestion of democracy. Democracy was not seen to be done.

The speech that I prepared to submit to the Cabinet members for which I had to seek permission for someone to read on our behalf of the complainants; as the public are not allowed to present their own arguments which was read by a Councillor of (“Plaid Cymru) to the Cabinet. Firstly the report was read; read without any emotion, it was all monotone and despondent and showing defeat.

Many issues were raised within that speech regarding the Council’s failure to respond to questions and their failure to give specific replies in the report to questions raised by complainants.

Then the report writer is called to give her response to the issues raised within the speech, she totally disregarded what were our arguments and counter-proposals and stuck with the generic content of the report prepared by her and we could barely understand what she was saying.

We then thought that there was then going to be a discussion amongst the Cabinet Members, oh no! One Councillor Mr Ken James spoke and then he couldn’t even get it right. He was stating that the decision was already made back in February, and therefore as far as he was concerned it was done and dusted – on so many words – again acoustics was no good! And his back was to us.

Then the Chief Executive Stuart Rosser (I don’t know if he normally sits in on these meetings) had to point out to Mr James that the meeting in February was in fact to approve the budget within which the car parking charges were included not to approve the car parking charges then, and that the meeting being held today was to decide on the car parking charges. How wrong can you get it? There was no further comment from him. What?

Then Councillor Reynolds then gave a short speech about the cuts that the Council were facing and so on and so on, and then they voted! At which point, I and the others must have fallen asleep for 10 minutes, because I did not witness any discussion.

They simply moved to a show of hands all of whom voted, or so it would appear, it happened all so quickly, although I’m sure there was one person I didn’t see put his hands up, but who am I?

Just before leaving I attempted to get an opportunity to express our disappointment and their lack of respect to consider our arguments and counter-proposals but was shot down and told that we were not allowed to speak and so I stopped, although we went out in a “blaze” when one of the petitioners shouted “you will hear what I have to say even if it is on our way out” – and on she went to say what a bunch of idiots..............

.......and so on” I won’t mention any names.

IT WAS A TOTAL AND UTTER SHAM! THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY – THE PUBLIC DO NOT COUNT – IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY FOR THE FAT CATS AT THE TOP! SELF IMPORTANCE FULFILLING THEIR OWN AMBITIONS AND GOALS TO PROVE THEMSELVES - IT’S AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!

We understand that we are all facing cuts, what our simple argument was that this scheme was not suitable and would not generate the revenue to help with saving money, what revenue it may generate would be so little it would not have an impact, but it would hurt the pockets of those who are already hurting! No-one is feeling it more than us workers, retired people and those with ill-health.

From what I have seen, procedure has not been followed correctly!

The report will be available on-line sometime next week. Look under the tab on the CCBC website Council and Democracy and follow from there.

Any comments please feel free to refer them to the Council!.
Chief Executive - Stuart Rosser
His e-mail is: stuartrosser@Caerphi

lly.gov.uk
Monitoring Officer : Gail Morgan
E-mail : willige@Caerphilly.g

ov.uk
What exactly is wrong with those that use these parks paying to park, You seem quite happy to pass the cost onto others just as long as it is not you paying
[quote][p][bold]gingertom[/bold] wrote: Realist UK You are spot on! CCBC SAY “YES” TO PARKING CHARGES AT COUNTRY PARKS BY: Lynne Hughes-Williams Caerphilly 17 Jul 2014 — At a meeting held yesterday, there was a unanimous vote to say “yes” to car parking charges at our country parks, despite strong arguments and counter-proposals being put forward on behalf of over 3,000 complainants who signed the petition. For those who attended the meeting were left feeling totally dismayed, bewildered and speechless, not by the decision but by the manner of the process, which was wholly lacking in any suggestion of democracy. Democracy was not seen to be done. The speech that I prepared to submit to the Cabinet members for which I had to seek permission for someone to read on our behalf of the complainants; as the public are not allowed to present their own arguments which was read by a Councillor of (“Plaid Cymru) to the Cabinet. Firstly the report was read; read without any emotion, it was all monotone and despondent and showing defeat. Many issues were raised within that speech regarding the Council’s failure to respond to questions and their failure to give specific replies in the report to questions raised by complainants. Then the report writer is called to give her response to the issues raised within the speech, she totally disregarded what were our arguments and counter-proposals and stuck with the generic content of the report prepared by her and we could barely understand what she was saying. We then thought that there was then going to be a discussion amongst the Cabinet Members, oh no! One Councillor Mr Ken James spoke and then he couldn’t even get it right. He was stating that the decision was already made back in February, and therefore as far as he was concerned it was done and dusted – on so many words – again acoustics was no good! And his back was to us. Then the Chief Executive Stuart Rosser (I don’t know if he normally sits in on these meetings) had to point out to Mr James that the meeting in February was in fact to approve the budget within which the car parking charges were included not to approve the car parking charges then, and that the meeting being held today was to decide on the car parking charges. How wrong can you get it? There was no further comment from him. What? Then Councillor Reynolds then gave a short speech about the cuts that the Council were facing and so on and so on, and then they voted! At which point, I and the others must have fallen asleep for 10 minutes, because I did not witness any discussion. They simply moved to a show of hands all of whom voted, or so it would appear, it happened all so quickly, although I’m sure there was one person I didn’t see put his hands up, but who am I? Just before leaving I attempted to get an opportunity to express our disappointment and their lack of respect to consider our arguments and counter-proposals but was shot down and told that we were not allowed to speak and so I stopped, although we went out in a “blaze” when one of the petitioners shouted “you will hear what I have to say even if it is on our way out” – and on she went to say what a bunch of idiots.............. .......and so on” I won’t mention any names. IT WAS A TOTAL AND UTTER SHAM! THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY – THE PUBLIC DO NOT COUNT – IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY FOR THE FAT CATS AT THE TOP! SELF IMPORTANCE FULFILLING THEIR OWN AMBITIONS AND GOALS TO PROVE THEMSELVES - IT’S AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE! We understand that we are all facing cuts, what our simple argument was that this scheme was not suitable and would not generate the revenue to help with saving money, what revenue it may generate would be so little it would not have an impact, but it would hurt the pockets of those who are already hurting! No-one is feeling it more than us workers, retired people and those with ill-health. From what I have seen, procedure has not been followed correctly! The report will be available on-line sometime next week. Look under the tab on the CCBC website Council and Democracy and follow from there. Any comments please feel free to refer them to the Council!. Chief Executive - Stuart Rosser His e-mail is: stuartrosser@Caerphi lly.gov.uk Monitoring Officer : Gail Morgan E-mail : willige@Caerphilly.g ov.uk[/p][/quote]What exactly is wrong with those that use these parks paying to park, You seem quite happy to pass the cost onto others just as long as it is not you paying Bobevans
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2:20pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Japan1 says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
They're a bit big. The Unitary authorities in England are a max of 500,000 people (well, 533,000 for Cornwall).
And the metropolitan ones ?
There are 7 councils in England with populations over 500k, and Glasgow is over that too, with Edinburgh not far behind.
Cardiff is the only Welsh council in the largest 20 in the UK, Swansea is next at 70.
Cardiff is the only council which has anywhere near similar representation to other UK councils at over 4000 residents per councillor. All other Welsh councils with the exception of RCT and Swansea have 1 councillor for less than 3000 residents, and for Bleanau Gwent, Merthyr, Conwy, Gwynedd, Ceredigion and Powys the councillors can afford to pamper their residents as on average they have less than 2000 of them.
If our council representation was reduced to similar levels seen elsewhere in the UK we could reduce our councillors by nearly 500. What is the current basic salary of a councillor?
How many front-line services would no longer be at risk if some of these valiant servants of the people risk losing their seats in a reorganisation ?
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: They're a bit big. The Unitary authorities in England are a max of 500,000 people (well, 533,000 for Cornwall).[/p][/quote]And the metropolitan ones ? There are 7 councils in England with populations over 500k, and Glasgow is over that too, with Edinburgh not far behind. Cardiff is the only Welsh council in the largest 20 in the UK, Swansea is next at 70. Cardiff is the only council which has anywhere near similar representation to other UK councils at over 4000 residents per councillor. All other Welsh councils with the exception of RCT and Swansea have 1 councillor for less than 3000 residents, and for Bleanau Gwent, Merthyr, Conwy, Gwynedd, Ceredigion and Powys the councillors can afford to pamper their residents as on average they have less than 2000 of them. If our council representation was reduced to similar levels seen elsewhere in the UK we could reduce our councillors by nearly 500. What is the current basic salary of a councillor? How many front-line services would no longer be at risk if some of these valiant servants of the people risk losing their seats in a reorganisation ? Japan1
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7:55am Wed 23 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

Japan1 wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote:
They're a bit big. The Unitary authorities in England are a max of 500,000 people (well, 533,000 for Cornwall).
And the metropolitan ones ?
There are 7 councils in England with populations over 500k, and Glasgow is over that too, with Edinburgh not far behind.
Cardiff is the only Welsh council in the largest 20 in the UK, Swansea is next at 70.
Cardiff is the only council which has anywhere near similar representation to other UK councils at over 4000 residents per councillor. All other Welsh councils with the exception of RCT and Swansea have 1 councillor for less than 3000 residents, and for Bleanau Gwent, Merthyr, Conwy, Gwynedd, Ceredigion and Powys the councillors can afford to pamper their residents as on average they have less than 2000 of them.
If our council representation was reduced to similar levels seen elsewhere in the UK we could reduce our councillors by nearly 500. What is the current basic salary of a councillor?
How many front-line services would no longer be at risk if some of these valiant servants of the people risk losing their seats in a reorganisation ?
The number of Councillor we have is crazy 1 per 3000 residents and a good number of them will be children. If we have 1 MP per 60,000 why an earth do we need 1 councillor per 3000. I would cut the number from 3 per ward to 1 per ward. Might mean as well we get better quality councillors
[quote][p][bold]Japan1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: They're a bit big. The Unitary authorities in England are a max of 500,000 people (well, 533,000 for Cornwall).[/p][/quote]And the metropolitan ones ? There are 7 councils in England with populations over 500k, and Glasgow is over that too, with Edinburgh not far behind. Cardiff is the only Welsh council in the largest 20 in the UK, Swansea is next at 70. Cardiff is the only council which has anywhere near similar representation to other UK councils at over 4000 residents per councillor. All other Welsh councils with the exception of RCT and Swansea have 1 councillor for less than 3000 residents, and for Bleanau Gwent, Merthyr, Conwy, Gwynedd, Ceredigion and Powys the councillors can afford to pamper their residents as on average they have less than 2000 of them. If our council representation was reduced to similar levels seen elsewhere in the UK we could reduce our councillors by nearly 500. What is the current basic salary of a councillor? How many front-line services would no longer be at risk if some of these valiant servants of the people risk losing their seats in a reorganisation ?[/p][/quote]The number of Councillor we have is crazy 1 per 3000 residents and a good number of them will be children. If we have 1 MP per 60,000 why an earth do we need 1 councillor per 3000. I would cut the number from 3 per ward to 1 per ward. Might mean as well we get better quality councillors Bobevans
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