No morals

First published in Letters

WHY do some elements of the political left in this country continually resort to uttering or printing the most obscene and vile remarks they can think of when criticising the right wing opposition? The latest being the Socialist Worker newspaper comment: Eton by Bear, referring to the privileged education of a seventeen year old boy killed by a polar bear whilst on that school’s expedition near the Arctic Circle. If he had attended a bog standard comprehensive, would they have called for the culling of those bears instead? It’s on a par with the offensive remarks made about the late Baroness Thatcher within minutes of the announcement of her death. Why do a lot of left wing voters keep supporting the same party activists who sink to the lowest levels trying to get their political opinions across? Or are they morally just as bad?

A Greenhalgh, Ross Street, Newport

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12:37pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mrleebob says...

Do you need see the fashion in which the working class and the poor are ridiculed and ostracised by the right wing media? Whilst the Socialist Worker may have printed a headline that appears tasteless to some, it is important to remember that taste is subjective and furthermore, it is a pun that is not half as offensive as the agenda that only serves to make those on benefits the target of vitriol and vilification.
Do you need see the fashion in which the working class and the poor are ridiculed and ostracised by the right wing media? Whilst the Socialist Worker may have printed a headline that appears tasteless to some, it is important to remember that taste is subjective and furthermore, it is a pun that is not half as offensive as the agenda that only serves to make those on benefits the target of vitriol and vilification. mrleebob
  • Score: -10

12:50pm Fri 18 Jul 14

varteg1 says...

I suggest very few comp kids get to play tag with Polar Bears.

Much like few get to ride to hounds, or do many of the things the privileged few get to do simply because they have the cash to do it.

I can agree there may be a element of envy because of their ability to spend surplus cash, which few comp kids have, but that is not really the issue, the fact is, millions look at what money can and does do and they ask why there is such imbalance between the disposable incomes of the vast majority and the extremely small minority.

And, just as there are rabid right wingers amongst that minority who fully believe they have a divine right to place a boot on the throats of those that in fact keep them so wealthy, whilst most of the wealthy simply ride the crest of the wave, there are some amongst the vast majority who want to see the end of this disparity in wealth, and are prepared to take whatever action or say whatever vile things, to try to wrest back some of that wealth so firmly held by the mega rich.

As long as the super rich maintain the strangle hold on the economic bank balances of the state and it's overall population you will forever get the calls, and yes the insults, from the left.

So, you see, it's not all one sided. and if the imbalance is not adequately addressed, the potential for a vicious type of rebalancing is possible.

And further, as long as people from the 'lower orders' , like you, keep on moaning about that naughty left wing, if and when the day comes for that rebalancing, you may well find yourself decorating the next lamppost to one of those you seek to defend.
I suggest very few comp kids get to play tag with Polar Bears. Much like few get to ride to hounds, or do many of the things the privileged few get to do simply because they have the cash to do it. I can agree there may be a element of envy because of their ability to spend surplus cash, which few comp kids have, but that is not really the issue, the fact is, millions look at what money can and does do and they ask why there is such imbalance between the disposable incomes of the vast majority and the extremely small minority. And, just as there are rabid right wingers amongst that minority who fully believe they have a divine right to place a boot on the throats of those that in fact keep them so wealthy, whilst most of the wealthy simply ride the crest of the wave, there are some amongst the vast majority who want to see the end of this disparity in wealth, and are prepared to take whatever action or say whatever vile things, to try to wrest back some of that wealth so firmly held by the mega rich. As long as the super rich maintain the strangle hold on the economic bank balances of the state and it's overall population you will forever get the calls, and yes the insults, from the left. So, you see, it's not all one sided. and if the imbalance is not adequately addressed, the potential for a vicious type of rebalancing is possible. And further, as long as people from the 'lower orders' , like you, keep on moaning about that naughty left wing, if and when the day comes for that rebalancing, you may well find yourself decorating the next lamppost to one of those you seek to defend. varteg1
  • Score: 4

1:41pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mrleebob says...

Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you? mrleebob
  • Score: -9

3:15pm Fri 18 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

mrleebob wrote:
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
Good question.
Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan?
There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.
[quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]Good question. Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan? There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -9

3:30pm Fri 18 Jul 14

welshmen says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
mrleebob wrote:
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
Good question.
Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan?
There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.
Been over working that lonely brain cell again, no wonder you support the lefties, the UAF lefties, the Hope not Hate lefties, and the Liberal Elite lefties, all in all, haters of the British Culture and British values, we the right need to get our Country back from your Lefty European Union of Federal States of no hoper's, UKIP for Britons next Government, God willing....
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]Good question. Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan? There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.[/p][/quote]Been over working that lonely brain cell again, no wonder you support the lefties, the UAF lefties, the Hope not Hate lefties, and the Liberal Elite lefties, all in all, haters of the British Culture and British values, we the right need to get our Country back from your Lefty European Union of Federal States of no hoper's, UKIP for Britons next Government, God willing.... welshmen
  • Score: 5

4:24pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

mrleebob wrote:
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
Fixed the economy that the left wing ruined? Again...

Pulled us out of the enormous recession that we were sunk into by the left wing? Again...

Have taken more money in tax from the richest in society (both in absolute and relative terms) than any other UK government in history (yes, including the days of 97% income tax under Labour).


The problem is that the left see the actions of the right as a moral affront - they see the fact that some have more money than others as being evil and therefore nothing they can do or say about them is possibly incorrect.

The right see the actions of the left as naive and see the fact that some have more money than others as a lack of hard work on the part of the poor (hence the vile comments in the Daily (Hate) Mail about scroungers, etc).

The reality is, to those of us who hold views on both sides of the political divide, that each is as bad as the other and each says just as disgusting things about the other. We're all human beings. We're all deserving of respect, even if we disagree with one another.
[quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]Fixed the economy that the left wing ruined? Again... Pulled us out of the enormous recession that we were sunk into by the left wing? Again... Have taken more money in tax from the richest in society (both in absolute and relative terms) than any other UK government in history (yes, including the days of 97% income tax under Labour). The problem is that the left see the actions of the right as a moral affront - they see the fact that some have more money than others as being evil and therefore nothing they can do or say about them is possibly incorrect. The right see the actions of the left as naive and see the fact that some have more money than others as a lack of hard work on the part of the poor (hence the vile comments in the Daily (Hate) Mail about scroungers, etc). The reality is, to those of us who hold views on both sides of the political divide, that each is as bad as the other and each says just as disgusting things about the other. We're all human beings. We're all deserving of respect, even if we disagree with one another. mkaibear1
  • Score: 10

5:14pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

welshmen wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
mrleebob wrote:
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
Good question.
Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan?
There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.
Been over working that lonely brain cell again, no wonder you support the lefties, the UAF lefties, the Hope not Hate lefties, and the Liberal Elite lefties, all in all, haters of the British Culture and British values, we the right need to get our Country back from your Lefty European Union of Federal States of no hoper's, UKIP for Britons next Government, God willing....
I will be breaking the habit of a lifetime when the EU referendum comes, and voting to STAY IN. I have friends who work in the SSC at Celtic Springs and that faces privatisation very shortly, however thanks to EU TUPE legslitation their terms and conditions are protected, something UKIP would never do. Probably TUPE is just a bit of EU red tape in the simple eyes of Farage.
Wells its a bit of Red Tape that protects Jobs, conditions, allows continutity of employment and protects their pensions.
LONG LIVE THE EU
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]Good question. Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan? There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.[/p][/quote]Been over working that lonely brain cell again, no wonder you support the lefties, the UAF lefties, the Hope not Hate lefties, and the Liberal Elite lefties, all in all, haters of the British Culture and British values, we the right need to get our Country back from your Lefty European Union of Federal States of no hoper's, UKIP for Britons next Government, God willing....[/p][/quote]I will be breaking the habit of a lifetime when the EU referendum comes, and voting to STAY IN. I have friends who work in the SSC at Celtic Springs and that faces privatisation very shortly, however thanks to EU TUPE legslitation their terms and conditions are protected, something UKIP would never do. Probably TUPE is just a bit of EU red tape in the simple eyes of Farage. Wells its a bit of Red Tape that protects Jobs, conditions, allows continutity of employment and protects their pensions. LONG LIVE THE EU Mr Angry
  • Score: -2

8:06pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mrleebob says...

welshmen wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
mrleebob wrote:
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
Good question.
Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan?
There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.
Been over working that lonely brain cell again, no wonder you support the lefties, the UAF lefties, the Hope not Hate lefties, and the Liberal Elite lefties, all in all, haters of the British Culture and British values, we the right need to get our Country back from your Lefty European Union of Federal States of no hoper's, UKIP for Britons next Government, God willing....
What are British values? Can anybody actually answer that question or is it simply a sound bite?
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]Good question. Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan? There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.[/p][/quote]Been over working that lonely brain cell again, no wonder you support the lefties, the UAF lefties, the Hope not Hate lefties, and the Liberal Elite lefties, all in all, haters of the British Culture and British values, we the right need to get our Country back from your Lefty European Union of Federal States of no hoper's, UKIP for Britons next Government, God willing....[/p][/quote]What are British values? Can anybody actually answer that question or is it simply a sound bite? mrleebob
  • Score: 0

8:32pm Fri 18 Jul 14

varteg1 says...

welshmen wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
mrleebob wrote:
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
Good question.
Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan?
There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.
Been over working that lonely brain cell again, no wonder you support the lefties, the UAF lefties, the Hope not Hate lefties, and the Liberal Elite lefties, all in all, haters of the British Culture and British values, we the right need to get our Country back from your Lefty European Union of Federal States of no hoper's, UKIP for Britons next Government, God willing....
Ain't going to happen taff, the world no longer wants or needs piddling little nation states with overblown self importance driving their right wing nationalists.
Time to put away your flag, it is old hat. A new and more appropriate flag with a ring of gold stars on a blue background is now the pole topper..

Europe is far too important to our country to even think of leaving.

But do carry in with your little dreams, others have a far larger dream to follow. and most are doing just that.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]Good question. Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan? There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.[/p][/quote]Been over working that lonely brain cell again, no wonder you support the lefties, the UAF lefties, the Hope not Hate lefties, and the Liberal Elite lefties, all in all, haters of the British Culture and British values, we the right need to get our Country back from your Lefty European Union of Federal States of no hoper's, UKIP for Britons next Government, God willing....[/p][/quote]Ain't going to happen taff, the world no longer wants or needs piddling little nation states with overblown self importance driving their right wing nationalists. Time to put away your flag, it is old hat. A new and more appropriate flag with a ring of gold stars on a blue background is now the pole topper.. Europe is far too important to our country to even think of leaving. But do carry in with your little dreams, others have a far larger dream to follow. and most are doing just that. varteg1
  • Score: -2

8:44pm Fri 18 Jul 14

welshmen says...

mrleebob:
What are British values? Can anybody actually answer that question or is it simply a sound bite? here are ten...

I. The rule of law. Our society is based on the idea that we all abide by the same rules, whatever our wealth or status. No one is above the law - not even the government.

II. The sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament. The Lords, the Commons and the monarch constitute the supreme authority in the land. There is no appeal to any higher jurisdiction, spiritual or temporal.

III. The pluralist state. Equality before the law implies that no one should be treated differently on the basis of belonging to a particular group. Conversely, all parties, sects, faiths and ideologies must tolerate the existence of their rivals.

IV. Personal freedom. There should be a presumption, always and everywhere, against state coercion. We should tolerate eccentricity in others, almost to the point of lunacy, provided no one else is harmed.

V. Private property. Freedom must include the freedom to buy and sell without fear of confiscation, to transfer ownership, to sign contracts and have them enforced. Britain was quicker than most countries to recognise this and became, in consequence, one of the happiest and most prosperous nations on Earth.

VI. Institutions. British freedom and British character are immanent in British institutions. These are not, mostly, statutory bodies, but spring from the way free individuals regulate each other's conduct, and provide for their needs, without recourse to coercion.

VII. The family. Civic society depends on values being passed from generation to generation. Stable families are the essential ingredient of a stable society.

VIII. History. British children inherit a political culture, a set of specific legal rights and obligations, and a stupendous series of national achievements. They should be taught about these things.

IX. The English-speaking world. The atrocities of September 11, 2001, were not simply an attack on a foreign nation; they were an attack on the anglosphere - on all of us who believe in freedom, justice and the rule of law.

X. The British character. Shaped by and in turn shaping our national institutions is our character as a people: stubborn, stoical, indignant at injustice. "The Saxon," wrote Kipling, "never means anything seriously till he talks about justice and right."

Not for the first time, we have been slow - perhaps too slow - to wake up to the threat we face. Now is the time to "talk about justice and right", and to act on our words, the threat to our Country and most English Speaking Countries is getting worse week on week, now we see it in Europe, it's the duty of all British Christians/Citizens who wish to keep the status quo in our Country to fight for that belief when asked....
mrleebob: What are British values? Can anybody actually answer that question or is it simply a sound bite? here are ten... I. The rule of law. Our society is based on the idea that we all abide by the same rules, whatever our wealth or status. No one is above the law - not even the government. II. The sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament. The Lords, the Commons and the monarch constitute the supreme authority in the land. There is no appeal to any higher jurisdiction, spiritual or temporal. III. The pluralist state. Equality before the law implies that no one should be treated differently on the basis of belonging to a particular group. Conversely, all parties, sects, faiths and ideologies must tolerate the existence of their rivals. IV. Personal freedom. There should be a presumption, always and everywhere, against state coercion. We should tolerate eccentricity in others, almost to the point of lunacy, provided no one else is harmed. V. Private property. Freedom must include the freedom to buy and sell without fear of confiscation, to transfer ownership, to sign contracts and have them enforced. Britain was quicker than most countries to recognise this and became, in consequence, one of the happiest and most prosperous nations on Earth. VI. Institutions. British freedom and British character are immanent in British institutions. These are not, mostly, statutory bodies, but spring from the way free individuals regulate each other's conduct, and provide for their needs, without recourse to coercion. VII. The family. Civic society depends on values being passed from generation to generation. Stable families are the essential ingredient of a stable society. VIII. History. British children inherit a political culture, a set of specific legal rights and obligations, and a stupendous series of national achievements. They should be taught about these things. IX. The English-speaking world. The atrocities of September 11, 2001, were not simply an attack on a foreign nation; they were an attack on the anglosphere - on all of us who believe in freedom, justice and the rule of law. X. The British character. Shaped by and in turn shaping our national institutions is our character as a people: stubborn, stoical, indignant at injustice. "The Saxon," wrote Kipling, "never means anything seriously till he talks about justice and right." Not for the first time, we have been slow - perhaps too slow - to wake up to the threat we face. Now is the time to "talk about justice and right", and to act on our words, the threat to our Country and most English Speaking Countries is getting worse week on week, now we see it in Europe, it's the duty of all British Christians/Citizens who wish to keep the status quo in our Country to fight for that belief when asked.... welshmen
  • Score: 8

9:06pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

welshmen wrote:
mrleebob:
What are British values? Can anybody actually answer that question or is it simply a sound bite? here are ten...

I. The rule of law. Our society is based on the idea that we all abide by the same rules, whatever our wealth or status. No one is above the law - not even the government.

II. The sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament. The Lords, the Commons and the monarch constitute the supreme authority in the land. There is no appeal to any higher jurisdiction, spiritual or temporal.

III. The pluralist state. Equality before the law implies that no one should be treated differently on the basis of belonging to a particular group. Conversely, all parties, sects, faiths and ideologies must tolerate the existence of their rivals.

IV. Personal freedom. There should be a presumption, always and everywhere, against state coercion. We should tolerate eccentricity in others, almost to the point of lunacy, provided no one else is harmed.

V. Private property. Freedom must include the freedom to buy and sell without fear of confiscation, to transfer ownership, to sign contracts and have them enforced. Britain was quicker than most countries to recognise this and became, in consequence, one of the happiest and most prosperous nations on Earth.

VI. Institutions. British freedom and British character are immanent in British institutions. These are not, mostly, statutory bodies, but spring from the way free individuals regulate each other's conduct, and provide for their needs, without recourse to coercion.

VII. The family. Civic society depends on values being passed from generation to generation. Stable families are the essential ingredient of a stable society.

VIII. History. British children inherit a political culture, a set of specific legal rights and obligations, and a stupendous series of national achievements. They should be taught about these things.

IX. The English-speaking world. The atrocities of September 11, 2001, were not simply an attack on a foreign nation; they were an attack on the anglosphere - on all of us who believe in freedom, justice and the rule of law.

X. The British character. Shaped by and in turn shaping our national institutions is our character as a people: stubborn, stoical, indignant at injustice. "The Saxon," wrote Kipling, "never means anything seriously till he talks about justice and right."

Not for the first time, we have been slow - perhaps too slow - to wake up to the threat we face. Now is the time to "talk about justice and right", and to act on our words, the threat to our Country and most English Speaking Countries is getting worse week on week, now we see it in Europe, it's the duty of all British Christians/Citizens who wish to keep the status quo in our Country to fight for that belief when asked....
Oh Dear,

Nothing about protection of employees from unscrupulous employers then ?
Or the right to join a Trade Union ?

Thought not.

WORKING PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY GET A FAR BETTER DEAL FROM THE EU-ASK 1000 WORKERS AT CELTIC SPRINGS
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: mrleebob: What are British values? Can anybody actually answer that question or is it simply a sound bite? here are ten... I. The rule of law. Our society is based on the idea that we all abide by the same rules, whatever our wealth or status. No one is above the law - not even the government. II. The sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament. The Lords, the Commons and the monarch constitute the supreme authority in the land. There is no appeal to any higher jurisdiction, spiritual or temporal. III. The pluralist state. Equality before the law implies that no one should be treated differently on the basis of belonging to a particular group. Conversely, all parties, sects, faiths and ideologies must tolerate the existence of their rivals. IV. Personal freedom. There should be a presumption, always and everywhere, against state coercion. We should tolerate eccentricity in others, almost to the point of lunacy, provided no one else is harmed. V. Private property. Freedom must include the freedom to buy and sell without fear of confiscation, to transfer ownership, to sign contracts and have them enforced. Britain was quicker than most countries to recognise this and became, in consequence, one of the happiest and most prosperous nations on Earth. VI. Institutions. British freedom and British character are immanent in British institutions. These are not, mostly, statutory bodies, but spring from the way free individuals regulate each other's conduct, and provide for their needs, without recourse to coercion. VII. The family. Civic society depends on values being passed from generation to generation. Stable families are the essential ingredient of a stable society. VIII. History. British children inherit a political culture, a set of specific legal rights and obligations, and a stupendous series of national achievements. They should be taught about these things. IX. The English-speaking world. The atrocities of September 11, 2001, were not simply an attack on a foreign nation; they were an attack on the anglosphere - on all of us who believe in freedom, justice and the rule of law. X. The British character. Shaped by and in turn shaping our national institutions is our character as a people: stubborn, stoical, indignant at injustice. "The Saxon," wrote Kipling, "never means anything seriously till he talks about justice and right." Not for the first time, we have been slow - perhaps too slow - to wake up to the threat we face. Now is the time to "talk about justice and right", and to act on our words, the threat to our Country and most English Speaking Countries is getting worse week on week, now we see it in Europe, it's the duty of all British Christians/Citizens who wish to keep the status quo in our Country to fight for that belief when asked....[/p][/quote]Oh Dear, Nothing about protection of employees from unscrupulous employers then ? Or the right to join a Trade Union ? Thought not. WORKING PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY GET A FAR BETTER DEAL FROM THE EU-ASK 1000 WORKERS AT CELTIC SPRINGS Mr Angry
  • Score: -2

9:17pm Fri 18 Jul 14

mrleebob says...

None of the values quoted are actually put in place.
None of the values quoted are actually put in place. mrleebob
  • Score: -2

9:58pm Fri 18 Jul 14

welshmen says...

Oh Dear,

Nothing about protection of employees from unscrupulous employers then ?
Or the right to join a Trade Union ? have another look at 3....redmist man....
Oh Dear, Nothing about protection of employees from unscrupulous employers then ? Or the right to join a Trade Union ? have another look at 3....redmist man.... welshmen
  • Score: 7

10:01pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

welshmen wrote:
Oh Dear,

Nothing about protection of employees from unscrupulous employers then ?
Or the right to join a Trade Union ? have another look at 3....redmist man....
I have - load of ambigus claptrap
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Oh Dear, Nothing about protection of employees from unscrupulous employers then ? Or the right to join a Trade Union ? have another look at 3....redmist man....[/p][/quote]I have - load of ambigus claptrap Mr Angry
  • Score: -8

8:00am Sat 19 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

mrleebob wrote:
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
Maybe some people understand these basic points:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
[quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]Maybe some people understand these basic points: 1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. 2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. 3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. 4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! 5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 11

10:24am Sat 19 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
mrleebob wrote:
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
Maybe some people understand these basic points:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
Again I broadly agree with you, (I'm starting to get really worried now) but there are a lot of people in this country who work very hard for not a lot of money and they have taken a real hiding from this Government, the minimum wage , and peoples wages at the lower end of the scale have not kept place with inflation, theses are the people who are suffering.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]Maybe some people understand these basic points: 1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. 2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. 3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. 4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! 5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.[/p][/quote]Again I broadly agree with you, (I'm starting to get really worried now) but there are a lot of people in this country who work very hard for not a lot of money and they have taken a real hiding from this Government, the minimum wage , and peoples wages at the lower end of the scale have not kept place with inflation, theses are the people who are suffering. Mr Angry
  • Score: 4

10:28am Sat 19 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead ? tame by many comparisons, that woman tried to destroy wales, and the north of England, a policy still being pursued by her acolytes chuckies in England, and from Churchill onward, a 100 years of attacking Wales and its people. We must never ever allow the Tories (or the right wing of the labour party trying to emulate these hateful people), to come to power in Wales. I'd vote for anyone that opposes or isn't them.
Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead ? tame by many comparisons, that woman tried to destroy wales, and the north of England, a policy still being pursued by her acolytes chuckies in England, and from Churchill onward, a 100 years of attacking Wales and its people. We must never ever allow the Tories (or the right wing of the labour party trying to emulate these hateful people), to come to power in Wales. I'd vote for anyone that opposes or isn't them. Mervyn James
  • Score: -8

11:20am Sat 19 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
mrleebob wrote:
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
Maybe some people understand these basic points:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
Again I broadly agree with you, (I'm starting to get really worried now) but there are a lot of people in this country who work very hard for not a lot of money and they have taken a real hiding from this Government, the minimum wage , and peoples wages at the lower end of the scale have not kept place with inflation, theses are the people who are suffering.
Yep, some of that I agree with too (scary this innit). I'd suggest though that the recession, which wasn't this government's fault, is a large part of the cause. And the raising of tax thresholds by them to £10k was a move to try and help. I'd not have done that though, I'd have raised the minimum wage instead, mainly because I cannot see the logic of raising taxes elsewhere to subsidise low paying employers through tax credits. Reducing the number of people paying income tax means they have no stake nor vested interest in voting wisely and it deters ambition. The point of my original post though is that Socialism is basically flawed for those very reasons.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]Maybe some people understand these basic points: 1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. 2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. 3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. 4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! 5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.[/p][/quote]Again I broadly agree with you, (I'm starting to get really worried now) but there are a lot of people in this country who work very hard for not a lot of money and they have taken a real hiding from this Government, the minimum wage , and peoples wages at the lower end of the scale have not kept place with inflation, theses are the people who are suffering.[/p][/quote]Yep, some of that I agree with too (scary this innit). I'd suggest though that the recession, which wasn't this government's fault, is a large part of the cause. And the raising of tax thresholds by them to £10k was a move to try and help. I'd not have done that though, I'd have raised the minimum wage instead, mainly because I cannot see the logic of raising taxes elsewhere to subsidise low paying employers through tax credits. Reducing the number of people paying income tax means they have no stake nor vested interest in voting wisely and it deters ambition. The point of my original post though is that Socialism is basically flawed for those very reasons. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 12

2:40pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Stevenboy says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead ? tame by many comparisons, that woman tried to destroy wales, and the north of England, a policy still being pursued by her acolytes chuckies in England, and from Churchill onward, a 100 years of attacking Wales and its people. We must never ever allow the Tories (or the right wing of the labour party trying to emulate these hateful people), to come to power in Wales. I'd vote for anyone that opposes or isn't them.
Google the term 'paranoid delusions' and seek professional help before it's too late. Although it looks to me like it already is.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead ? tame by many comparisons, that woman tried to destroy wales, and the north of England, a policy still being pursued by her acolytes chuckies in England, and from Churchill onward, a 100 years of attacking Wales and its people. We must never ever allow the Tories (or the right wing of the labour party trying to emulate these hateful people), to come to power in Wales. I'd vote for anyone that opposes or isn't them.[/p][/quote]Google the term 'paranoid delusions' and seek professional help before it's too late. Although it looks to me like it already is. Stevenboy
  • Score: 5

11:51pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

I'm not sure that there is any such thing as right and left. Putin's Russia, North Korea, PRC China and Castro's Cuba all had the same viewpoint towards LGBTQ people as Franco's Spain. Many modern day self-proclaimed left-wingers believe in the same paranoid and wacko anti-Semitic conspiracy myths that the Tsarist secret police invented some 100 years' ago. For instance, many on the left still seem to be in denial that those amongst them who talk insane and hateful crap about Jews controlling Wall Street and propagate holocaust revisionism are actually neo-Nazis as opposed to genuine critics of Israeli government policies. Talk about blinkered - if the Red Army had been like this during WWII they would have definitely not had the intelligence and foresight to win the Battle of Stalingrad!

Aside from the Baader-Meinhof group of the 1970s and '80s which for some reason seemed to have a high proportion of female membership, I also can't think of one left-wing movement or regime that wasn't primarily male-dominated either. Communist states seem to have as patriarchal a concept of appropriate gender roles as the 'kinder kuche kirche' attitude of Third Reich Germany. For instance, today I read the news that in the People's Republic of China women have been given wider parking spaces because Chinese communist male commissars apparently share exactly the same opinion as theocratic capitalistic oil sheiks that we're not as good at driving lol:)
I'm not sure that there is any such thing as right and left. Putin's Russia, North Korea, PRC China and Castro's Cuba all had the same viewpoint towards LGBTQ people as Franco's Spain. Many modern day self-proclaimed left-wingers believe in the same paranoid and wacko anti-Semitic conspiracy myths that the Tsarist secret police invented some 100 years' ago. For instance, many on the left still seem to be in denial that those amongst them who talk insane and hateful crap about Jews controlling Wall Street and propagate holocaust revisionism are actually neo-Nazis as opposed to genuine critics of Israeli government policies. Talk about blinkered - if the Red Army had been like this during WWII they would have definitely not had the intelligence and foresight to win the Battle of Stalingrad! Aside from the Baader-Meinhof group of the 1970s and '80s which for some reason seemed to have a high proportion of female membership, I also can't think of one left-wing movement or regime that wasn't primarily male-dominated either. Communist states seem to have as patriarchal a concept of appropriate gender roles as the 'kinder kuche kirche' attitude of Third Reich Germany. For instance, today I read the news that in the People's Republic of China women have been given wider parking spaces because Chinese communist male commissars apparently share exactly the same opinion as theocratic capitalistic oil sheiks that we're not as good at driving lol:) Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -1

11:29am Sun 20 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

Stevenboy wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead ? tame by many comparisons, that woman tried to destroy wales, and the north of England, a policy still being pursued by her acolytes chuckies in England, and from Churchill onward, a 100 years of attacking Wales and its people. We must never ever allow the Tories (or the right wing of the labour party trying to emulate these hateful people), to come to power in Wales. I'd vote for anyone that opposes or isn't them.
Google the term 'paranoid delusions' and seek professional help before it's too late. Although it looks to me like it already is.
The delusions emanate from that institution in Westminster with 600 inmates running their own asylum.
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead ? tame by many comparisons, that woman tried to destroy wales, and the north of England, a policy still being pursued by her acolytes chuckies in England, and from Churchill onward, a 100 years of attacking Wales and its people. We must never ever allow the Tories (or the right wing of the labour party trying to emulate these hateful people), to come to power in Wales. I'd vote for anyone that opposes or isn't them.[/p][/quote]Google the term 'paranoid delusions' and seek professional help before it's too late. Although it looks to me like it already is.[/p][/quote]The delusions emanate from that institution in Westminster with 600 inmates running their own asylum. Mervyn James
  • Score: -1

11:37am Sun 20 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

Mr Angry wrote:
welshmen wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
mrleebob wrote:
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
Good question.
Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan?
There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.
Been over working that lonely brain cell again, no wonder you support the lefties, the UAF lefties, the Hope not Hate lefties, and the Liberal Elite lefties, all in all, haters of the British Culture and British values, we the right need to get our Country back from your Lefty European Union of Federal States of no hoper's, UKIP for Britons next Government, God willing....
I will be breaking the habit of a lifetime when the EU referendum comes, and voting to STAY IN. I have friends who work in the SSC at Celtic Springs and that faces privatisation very shortly, however thanks to EU TUPE legslitation their terms and conditions are protected, something UKIP would never do. Probably TUPE is just a bit of EU red tape in the simple eyes of Farage.
Wells its a bit of Red Tape that protects Jobs, conditions, allows continutity of employment and protects their pensions.
LONG LIVE THE EU
YES and NHS waiting times and enhanced housing shortage and bottom of the world league in education . with over a hundred languages being spoken in the country promoting total lack of social cohesion. With hundreds of thousands of Africans crossing the med every year to Europe, destination UK, Breeding our own variety of Muslim terrorist
we need the EU like we need paedophiles and other perverts in the house of liars and thieves .
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]Good question. Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan? There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.[/p][/quote]Been over working that lonely brain cell again, no wonder you support the lefties, the UAF lefties, the Hope not Hate lefties, and the Liberal Elite lefties, all in all, haters of the British Culture and British values, we the right need to get our Country back from your Lefty European Union of Federal States of no hoper's, UKIP for Britons next Government, God willing....[/p][/quote]I will be breaking the habit of a lifetime when the EU referendum comes, and voting to STAY IN. I have friends who work in the SSC at Celtic Springs and that faces privatisation very shortly, however thanks to EU TUPE legslitation their terms and conditions are protected, something UKIP would never do. Probably TUPE is just a bit of EU red tape in the simple eyes of Farage. Wells its a bit of Red Tape that protects Jobs, conditions, allows continutity of employment and protects their pensions. LONG LIVE THE EU[/p][/quote]YES and NHS waiting times and enhanced housing shortage and bottom of the world league in education . with over a hundred languages being spoken in the country promoting total lack of social cohesion. With hundreds of thousands of Africans crossing the med every year to Europe, destination UK, Breeding our own variety of Muslim terrorist we need the EU like we need paedophiles and other perverts in the house of liars and thieves . coalpicker
  • Score: 5

7:33pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

coalpicker wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
welshmen wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
mrleebob wrote:
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
Good question.
Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan?
There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.
Been over working that lonely brain cell again, no wonder you support the lefties, the UAF lefties, the Hope not Hate lefties, and the Liberal Elite lefties, all in all, haters of the British Culture and British values, we the right need to get our Country back from your Lefty European Union of Federal States of no hoper's, UKIP for Britons next Government, God willing....
I will be breaking the habit of a lifetime when the EU referendum comes, and voting to STAY IN. I have friends who work in the SSC at Celtic Springs and that faces privatisation very shortly, however thanks to EU TUPE legslitation their terms and conditions are protected, something UKIP would never do. Probably TUPE is just a bit of EU red tape in the simple eyes of Farage.
Wells its a bit of Red Tape that protects Jobs, conditions, allows continutity of employment and protects their pensions.
LONG LIVE THE EU
YES and NHS waiting times and enhanced housing shortage and bottom of the world league in education . with over a hundred languages being spoken in the country promoting total lack of social cohesion. With hundreds of thousands of Africans crossing the med every year to Europe, destination UK, Breeding our own variety of Muslim terrorist
we need the EU like we need paedophiles and other perverts in the house of liars and thieves .
So the loss of these peoples conditions and jobs is a sacifice worth making then ?
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]Good question. Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan? There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.[/p][/quote]Been over working that lonely brain cell again, no wonder you support the lefties, the UAF lefties, the Hope not Hate lefties, and the Liberal Elite lefties, all in all, haters of the British Culture and British values, we the right need to get our Country back from your Lefty European Union of Federal States of no hoper's, UKIP for Britons next Government, God willing....[/p][/quote]I will be breaking the habit of a lifetime when the EU referendum comes, and voting to STAY IN. I have friends who work in the SSC at Celtic Springs and that faces privatisation very shortly, however thanks to EU TUPE legslitation their terms and conditions are protected, something UKIP would never do. Probably TUPE is just a bit of EU red tape in the simple eyes of Farage. Wells its a bit of Red Tape that protects Jobs, conditions, allows continutity of employment and protects their pensions. LONG LIVE THE EU[/p][/quote]YES and NHS waiting times and enhanced housing shortage and bottom of the world league in education . with over a hundred languages being spoken in the country promoting total lack of social cohesion. With hundreds of thousands of Africans crossing the med every year to Europe, destination UK, Breeding our own variety of Muslim terrorist we need the EU like we need paedophiles and other perverts in the house of liars and thieves .[/p][/quote]So the loss of these peoples conditions and jobs is a sacifice worth making then ? Mr Angry
  • Score: -3

9:07am Mon 21 Jul 14

blackandamber says...

mrleebob wrote:
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
What have the left ever done for Newport.
[quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]What have the left ever done for Newport. blackandamber
  • Score: 4

11:11am Mon 21 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

blackandamber wrote:
mrleebob wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
What have the left ever done for Newport.
Agreed ! However what have the right ever done for Newport ?
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]What have the left ever done for Newport.[/p][/quote]Agreed ! However what have the right ever done for Newport ? Mr Angry
  • Score: 3

11:49am Mon 21 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

Mr Angry wrote:
coalpicker wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
welshmen wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
mrleebob wrote:
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
Good question.
Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan?
There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.
Been over working that lonely brain cell again, no wonder you support the lefties, the UAF lefties, the Hope not Hate lefties, and the Liberal Elite lefties, all in all, haters of the British Culture and British values, we the right need to get our Country back from your Lefty European Union of Federal States of no hoper's, UKIP for Britons next Government, God willing....
I will be breaking the habit of a lifetime when the EU referendum comes, and voting to STAY IN. I have friends who work in the SSC at Celtic Springs and that faces privatisation very shortly, however thanks to EU TUPE legslitation their terms and conditions are protected, something UKIP would never do. Probably TUPE is just a bit of EU red tape in the simple eyes of Farage.
Wells its a bit of Red Tape that protects Jobs, conditions, allows continutity of employment and protects their pensions.
LONG LIVE THE EU
YES and NHS waiting times and enhanced housing shortage and bottom of the world league in education . with over a hundred languages being spoken in the country promoting total lack of social cohesion. With hundreds of thousands of Africans crossing the med every year to Europe, destination UK, Breeding our own variety of Muslim terrorist
we need the EU like we need paedophiles and other perverts in the house of liars and thieves .
So the loss of these peoples conditions and jobs is a sacifice worth making then ?
NO if they had a trade union and the guts to support it they would not require the extremly exspensive rich mens club and a feather bed for people like Kinnock which the EU has proved itself to be .
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]Good question. Well, I think they're giving us a lot of policies. When I say a lot of policies, I mean 1 policy only. And that is a flexible policy - migrants aren't welcomed, unless the UKIP candidates can make some money out of them, then it's okay, isn't it Nathan? There must be loads of things the right wing has done for us, but I've been racking my brain for the last couple of hours and I can't come up with anything.[/p][/quote]Been over working that lonely brain cell again, no wonder you support the lefties, the UAF lefties, the Hope not Hate lefties, and the Liberal Elite lefties, all in all, haters of the British Culture and British values, we the right need to get our Country back from your Lefty European Union of Federal States of no hoper's, UKIP for Britons next Government, God willing....[/p][/quote]I will be breaking the habit of a lifetime when the EU referendum comes, and voting to STAY IN. I have friends who work in the SSC at Celtic Springs and that faces privatisation very shortly, however thanks to EU TUPE legslitation their terms and conditions are protected, something UKIP would never do. Probably TUPE is just a bit of EU red tape in the simple eyes of Farage. Wells its a bit of Red Tape that protects Jobs, conditions, allows continutity of employment and protects their pensions. LONG LIVE THE EU[/p][/quote]YES and NHS waiting times and enhanced housing shortage and bottom of the world league in education . with over a hundred languages being spoken in the country promoting total lack of social cohesion. With hundreds of thousands of Africans crossing the med every year to Europe, destination UK, Breeding our own variety of Muslim terrorist we need the EU like we need paedophiles and other perverts in the house of liars and thieves .[/p][/quote]So the loss of these peoples conditions and jobs is a sacifice worth making then ?[/p][/quote]NO if they had a trade union and the guts to support it they would not require the extremly exspensive rich mens club and a feather bed for people like Kinnock which the EU has proved itself to be . coalpicker
  • Score: 1

2:10pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Stevenboy says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Stevenboy wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead ? tame by many comparisons, that woman tried to destroy wales, and the north of England, a policy still being pursued by her acolytes chuckies in England, and from Churchill onward, a 100 years of attacking Wales and its people. We must never ever allow the Tories (or the right wing of the labour party trying to emulate these hateful people), to come to power in Wales. I'd vote for anyone that opposes or isn't them.
Google the term 'paranoid delusions' and seek professional help before it's too late. Although it looks to me like it already is.
The delusions emanate from that institution in Westminster with 600 inmates running their own asylum.
How charmingly naive of you to think that the admittedly rum Westminster bunch are somehow worse than the more local variety. There's no worse employee than one who believes he/she has a guaranteed job for life no matter how appalling their performance. How else do you explain Edwina Hart?
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead ? tame by many comparisons, that woman tried to destroy wales, and the north of England, a policy still being pursued by her acolytes chuckies in England, and from Churchill onward, a 100 years of attacking Wales and its people. We must never ever allow the Tories (or the right wing of the labour party trying to emulate these hateful people), to come to power in Wales. I'd vote for anyone that opposes or isn't them.[/p][/quote]Google the term 'paranoid delusions' and seek professional help before it's too late. Although it looks to me like it already is.[/p][/quote]The delusions emanate from that institution in Westminster with 600 inmates running their own asylum.[/p][/quote]How charmingly naive of you to think that the admittedly rum Westminster bunch are somehow worse than the more local variety. There's no worse employee than one who believes he/she has a guaranteed job for life no matter how appalling their performance. How else do you explain Edwina Hart? Stevenboy
  • Score: 3

2:23pm Mon 21 Jul 14

welshmen says...

A few Good Policies to put our Country back on Track from a far Right Party....

Health and Benefits

The creation of the National Health Service and benefits system was one of the great humanitarian achievements of our time. Freeing millions from fear of sickness and poverty, it is the living embodiment of the nationalist view of the Nation as an extended family, whose members have a duty to help members of the family who, through no fault of their own, are in need.

Unfortunately, the NHS is now under relentless attack from an unholy alliance of greedy corporations cherry-picking the opportunities to turn public service into private profit, and Frankfurt School Marxists who want to destroy much-loved national institutions in order to undermine the ‘false consciousness’ of working class patriotism that stands in the way of their plans for World Revolution.

The British National Party stands for the restoration of a properly-funded National Health Service and benefits system for everyone whose families have paid in to the system or who are both British citizens and genuinely unable to contribute or work through no fault of their own. Those who would sponge on the majority need a reality check and an unavoidable appointment with Dr. Work!

Cut bureaucracy, not nurses’ jobs and hospitals. Leave GPs to see patients, not manage budget sheets.

There is a growing challenge of deciding how far to take ever more expensive ways to treat the terminally ill. There is a point at which medical technology outstrips both the reasonable ability of society as a whole to pay for it and compassionate common sense. It is not for politicians to play God, so we would encourage an extended and inclusive national debate, followed by popular referenda to set overall policy objectives.

The Bedroom Tax is a cruel attack on the poor, particularly separated parents, and grandparents, who need bedrooms for children who do not live with them permanently.

The Cameron regime was prepared to blow the £500 Million raised each year by this spiteful tax in 48 hours of bombing Syria, which shows just how such ‘austerity’ measures are driven by ideology rather than fiscal necessity.

We will keep Britain out of other people’s ruinously expensive wars and look after our own folk instead.

- Stop and reverse the privatisation of the NHS. It’s about health, not wealth
- Put hospitals under the control of senior nursing staff, not bureaucrats
- Boost the pay of skilled nurses and peg the excessive earnings of many doctors
- Invest heavily in improving public health and other preventative measures
- Only those whose families have paid in should be able to benefit from publicly-funded health care; it’s not the International Health Service!
- The benefits system must provide a proper safety net for the needy, not subsidised idleness for the lazy and greedy
A few Good Policies to put our Country back on Track from a far Right Party.... Health and Benefits The creation of the National Health Service and benefits system was one of the great humanitarian achievements of our time. Freeing millions from fear of sickness and poverty, it is the living embodiment of the nationalist view of the Nation as an extended family, whose members have a duty to help members of the family who, through no fault of their own, are in need. Unfortunately, the NHS is now under relentless attack from an unholy alliance of greedy corporations cherry-picking the opportunities to turn public service into private profit, and Frankfurt School Marxists who want to destroy much-loved national institutions in order to undermine the ‘false consciousness’ of working class patriotism that stands in the way of their plans for World Revolution. The British National Party stands for the restoration of a properly-funded National Health Service and benefits system for everyone whose families have paid in to the system or who are both British citizens and genuinely unable to contribute or work through no fault of their own. Those who would sponge on the majority need a reality check and an unavoidable appointment with Dr. Work! Cut bureaucracy, not nurses’ jobs and hospitals. Leave GPs to see patients, not manage budget sheets. There is a growing challenge of deciding how far to take ever more expensive ways to treat the terminally ill. There is a point at which medical technology outstrips both the reasonable ability of society as a whole to pay for it and compassionate common sense. It is not for politicians to play God, so we would encourage an extended and inclusive national debate, followed by popular referenda to set overall policy objectives. The Bedroom Tax is a cruel attack on the poor, particularly separated parents, and grandparents, who need bedrooms for children who do not live with them permanently. The Cameron regime was prepared to blow the £500 Million raised each year by this spiteful tax in 48 hours of bombing Syria, which shows just how such ‘austerity’ measures are driven by ideology rather than fiscal necessity. We will keep Britain out of other people’s ruinously expensive wars and look after our own folk instead. - Stop and reverse the privatisation of the NHS. It’s about health, not wealth - Put hospitals under the control of senior nursing staff, not bureaucrats - Boost the pay of skilled nurses and peg the excessive earnings of many doctors - Invest heavily in improving public health and other preventative measures - Only those whose families have paid in should be able to benefit from publicly-funded health care; it’s not the International Health Service! - The benefits system must provide a proper safety net for the needy, not subsidised idleness for the lazy and greedy welshmen
  • Score: 5

2:32pm Mon 21 Jul 14

welshmen says...

An other Far Right Policy, more like the old Labour dare I say....

Heritage & Culture

The opportunity to appreciate, preserve and celebrate one’s own culture is a fundamental human right. Yet this is increasingly denied to the indigenous peoples of Britain. This is particularly true of the British, who are scarcely even given official recognition, let alone rights.

Every other ethnic group in the UK is encouraged to pass on their culture and identity to the next generation – invariably with our tax money. We insist on the right of our peoples to do the same. We are proud to be British and the only political party fighting to preserve our way of life.

Our culture, and in particular the Christianity that underpins both our identity and our core values of freedom and individual dignity and responsibility, are under a two-pronged attack. An ugly alliance of fundamentalist Sunni Islam and the Political Correctness of thinly disguised radical Marxism, is waging a relentless war against the symbols and practices of our traditional society.

Already, the British National Party is fighting back against the de-culturalisation of Britain by holding Summer School events and using the Internet to encourage the children of our members and active supporters to learn about and enjoy the history, stories and songs that form part of our common birth right.

On achieving state power we will reverse the current trend in teaching, where nationalists and patriots are persecuted or barred and encourage such ideal teachers to replace the anti-British Marxists who at present abuse their dominance of the profession to brainwash innocent children with their anti-British self-hatred.

We demand formal legal recognition of the fact that Christianity, having assimilated and integrated the even older beliefs and traditions of millennia of our native pagan past, is the cornerstone of our culture, identity and freedom and must be protected and promoted as such.

- Save millions of animals every year from being dying in agony and terror by banning halal and kosher ritual slaughter. It just isn’t our way.
- No more mosques – until Christians can build churches in Saudi Arabia!
- Make St. George’s Day an English national holiday
- End the promotion of alien cultures and religions in schools and ensure that all children are taught the history, traditions and values of our land and peoples
- Re-introduce Christian assemblies in all schools
- Celebrate Christmas, not ‘Winterval’ or ‘Happy Holidays’
An other Far Right Policy, more like the old Labour dare I say.... Heritage & Culture The opportunity to appreciate, preserve and celebrate one’s own culture is a fundamental human right. Yet this is increasingly denied to the indigenous peoples of Britain. This is particularly true of the British, who are scarcely even given official recognition, let alone rights. Every other ethnic group in the UK is encouraged to pass on their culture and identity to the next generation – invariably with our tax money. We insist on the right of our peoples to do the same. We are proud to be British and the only political party fighting to preserve our way of life. Our culture, and in particular the Christianity that underpins both our identity and our core values of freedom and individual dignity and responsibility, are under a two-pronged attack. An ugly alliance of fundamentalist Sunni Islam and the Political Correctness of thinly disguised radical Marxism, is waging a relentless war against the symbols and practices of our traditional society. Already, the British National Party is fighting back against the de-culturalisation of Britain by holding Summer School events and using the Internet to encourage the children of our members and active supporters to learn about and enjoy the history, stories and songs that form part of our common birth right. On achieving state power we will reverse the current trend in teaching, where nationalists and patriots are persecuted or barred and encourage such ideal teachers to replace the anti-British Marxists who at present abuse their dominance of the profession to brainwash innocent children with their anti-British self-hatred. We demand formal legal recognition of the fact that Christianity, having assimilated and integrated the even older beliefs and traditions of millennia of our native pagan past, is the cornerstone of our culture, identity and freedom and must be protected and promoted as such. - Save millions of animals every year from being dying in agony and terror by banning halal and kosher ritual slaughter. It just isn’t our way. - No more mosques – until Christians can build churches in Saudi Arabia! - Make St. George’s Day an English national holiday - End the promotion of alien cultures and religions in schools and ensure that all children are taught the history, traditions and values of our land and peoples - Re-introduce Christian assemblies in all schools - Celebrate Christmas, not ‘Winterval’ or ‘Happy Holidays’ welshmen
  • Score: 4

3:35pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Mr Angry says...

Heres a question for you Welshman, under a BNPor UKIP Government -unlikely - I know, would those workers at the SSC in Celtic Springs, have their terms and conditions protected in the same way the EU TUPE regulations do? I know this is difficult for you but a Yes or No answer ?

1000 people work there - they all have votes, and they will not vote for anyone whos intention is to make them poorer .
Heres a question for you Welshman, under a BNPor UKIP Government -unlikely - I know, would those workers at the SSC in Celtic Springs, have their terms and conditions protected in the same way the EU TUPE regulations do? I know this is difficult for you but a Yes or No answer ? 1000 people work there - they all have votes, and they will not vote for anyone whos intention is to make them poorer . Mr Angry
  • Score: 0

12:12pm Thu 24 Jul 14

welshmen says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Heres a question for you Welshman, under a BNPor UKIP Government -unlikely - I know, would those workers at the SSC in Celtic Springs, have their terms and conditions protected in the same way the EU TUPE regulations do? I know this is difficult for you but a Yes or No answer ?

1000 people work there - they all have votes, and they will not vote for anyone whos intention is to make them poorer .
Can of worms, even lawyers are having trouble with this, the coalition have been trying to alter some of it, as to your Question yes or no, haven't got a scoobby do,can't find out on either party, my own opinion is if a company take over another company then yes, the workers rights should remain the status quo...Party policies are like a punnet of strawberries, when you find a bad one you don't necessary throw the punnet away....
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Heres a question for you Welshman, under a BNPor UKIP Government -unlikely - I know, would those workers at the SSC in Celtic Springs, have their terms and conditions protected in the same way the EU TUPE regulations do? I know this is difficult for you but a Yes or No answer ? 1000 people work there - they all have votes, and they will not vote for anyone whos intention is to make them poorer .[/p][/quote]Can of worms, even lawyers are having trouble with this, the coalition have been trying to alter some of it, as to your Question yes or no, haven't got a scoobby do,can't find out on either party, my own opinion is if a company take over another company then yes, the workers rights should remain the status quo...Party policies are like a punnet of strawberries, when you find a bad one you don't necessary throw the punnet away.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

1:14pm Thu 24 Jul 14

pwlldu says...

Why is swimming the Thames like getting elected as a MP? You start at Oxford swallow large amounts of Crap and end up at Westminister.
Why is swimming the Thames like getting elected as a MP? You start at Oxford swallow large amounts of Crap and end up at Westminister. pwlldu
  • Score: 0

2:56pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
mrleebob wrote:
Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?
Maybe some people understand these basic points:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
Spot on.
But the freeloaders are not going to like it.
Common sense is lost on the uneducated and envious.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrleebob[/bold] wrote: Is see anything that defends the left wing on this website is soon given the thumbs down. Not quite sure why anybody in Newport would support the right wing views being forced down our throats. What has the right wing done for you?[/p][/quote]Maybe some people understand these basic points: 1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. 2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. 3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. 4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! 5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.[/p][/quote]Spot on. But the freeloaders are not going to like it. Common sense is lost on the uneducated and envious. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 1

3:32pm Thu 24 Jul 14

DavidMclean says...

Hilarious letter! As if the right wing never makes tasteless remarks or gloats over misfortune. They invented the practice!
Hilarious letter! As if the right wing never makes tasteless remarks or gloats over misfortune. They invented the practice! DavidMclean
  • Score: 3

3:42pm Thu 24 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

DavidMclean wrote:
Hilarious letter! As if the right wing never makes tasteless remarks or gloats over misfortune. They invented the practice!
Ah, yes, the "two wrongs make a right" defence.
[quote][p][bold]DavidMclean[/bold] wrote: Hilarious letter! As if the right wing never makes tasteless remarks or gloats over misfortune. They invented the practice![/p][/quote]Ah, yes, the "two wrongs make a right" defence. mkaibear1
  • Score: 0

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