Pay upfront

First published in Letters

I HAVE been reading in the national press of ideas being proposed by the health secretary, Jeremy Hunt, to charge migrant and EU patients who receive medical treatment through the NHS.

At the present time, The NHS is only recouping 16 per cent of the costs of such treatment. These health tourists are expected to pay 100 per cent of the cost of any treatment they receive and are expected to pay afterwards. This, many fail to do, leaving us, the British, to pay the bills with increased taxes.

Surely, if these people can afford to come to our country by whatever means, they should be charged up front for the medical treatment they receive. Our NHS is the envy of the world. The NHS is under enough pressure because of the actions of the clowns at Westminster who could not organise a day out at a brewery.

C P Robins, Channel View, Pontymister

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3:02pm Thu 24 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

When you factor in the money which EU migrants pay in taxes we make a lot more out of them than they cost us in terms of services.

Whilst we only gain 16% of the cost back from the sending country for tourists, etc, these costs are factored into the cost of tourism which is a major industry in Wales (£3.5bn in 2010, for example).

Remember also a lot of UK citizens go holidaying in Europe and if we decide that we can recoup the full 100% of costs from people holidaying over here then other countries will do the same for us...
When you factor in the money which EU migrants pay in taxes we make a lot more out of them than they cost us in terms of services. Whilst we only gain 16% of the cost back from the sending country for tourists, etc, these costs are factored into the cost of tourism which is a major industry in Wales (£3.5bn in 2010, for example). Remember also a lot of UK citizens go holidaying in Europe and if we decide that we can recoup the full 100% of costs from people holidaying over here then other countries will do the same for us... mkaibear1
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5:43pm Thu 24 Jul 14

landyman3030 says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
When you factor in the money which EU migrants pay in taxes we make a lot more out of them than they cost us in terms of services.

Whilst we only gain 16% of the cost back from the sending country for tourists, etc, these costs are factored into the cost of tourism which is a major industry in Wales (£3.5bn in 2010, for example).

Remember also a lot of UK citizens go holidaying in Europe and if we decide that we can recoup the full 100% of costs from people holidaying over here then other countries will do the same for us...
EU migrants only pay taxes if they are working. If they are suckling at the Benefits teat they put nothing into the system. So the system makes nothing out of them. I apologise in that I completely fail to see the connection between immigrants arriving in this country specifically for free medical treatment as opposed to coming here for two weeks holiday.
I am wrong in seeing the letter writers point that if you travel here for medical aid you should maybe have the funds to pay up from the start, not after when they slide away from the spotlight?
The connection of how many Brits go on holiday to the EU is just plain lost on me... Somebody help....
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: When you factor in the money which EU migrants pay in taxes we make a lot more out of them than they cost us in terms of services. Whilst we only gain 16% of the cost back from the sending country for tourists, etc, these costs are factored into the cost of tourism which is a major industry in Wales (£3.5bn in 2010, for example). Remember also a lot of UK citizens go holidaying in Europe and if we decide that we can recoup the full 100% of costs from people holidaying over here then other countries will do the same for us...[/p][/quote]EU migrants only pay taxes if they are working. If they are suckling at the Benefits teat they put nothing into the system. So the system makes nothing out of them. I apologise in that I completely fail to see the connection between immigrants arriving in this country specifically for free medical treatment as opposed to coming here for two weeks holiday. I am wrong in seeing the letter writers point that if you travel here for medical aid you should maybe have the funds to pay up from the start, not after when they slide away from the spotlight? The connection of how many Brits go on holiday to the EU is just plain lost on me... Somebody help.... landyman3030
  • Score: 11

5:55pm Thu 24 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

landyman3030 wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote:
When you factor in the money which EU migrants pay in taxes we make a lot more out of them than they cost us in terms of services.

Whilst we only gain 16% of the cost back from the sending country for tourists, etc, these costs are factored into the cost of tourism which is a major industry in Wales (£3.5bn in 2010, for example).

Remember also a lot of UK citizens go holidaying in Europe and if we decide that we can recoup the full 100% of costs from people holidaying over here then other countries will do the same for us...
EU migrants only pay taxes if they are working. If they are suckling at the Benefits teat they put nothing into the system. So the system makes nothing out of them. I apologise in that I completely fail to see the connection between immigrants arriving in this country specifically for free medical treatment as opposed to coming here for two weeks holiday.
I am wrong in seeing the letter writers point that if you travel here for medical aid you should maybe have the funds to pay up from the start, not after when they slide away from the spotlight?
The connection of how many Brits go on holiday to the EU is just plain lost on me... Somebody help....
The fact is that on average EU migrants put money into our economy (not "suckling at the Benefits teat" as you so colourfully put it). We rake it in off them frankly!

The issue is discriminating between those who come for medical care and those who come to work or on holiday.

If we restrict EU citizens from getting NHS aid when over here their home countries will do the same thing to our citizens when over there. It's the principle of reciprocity.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: When you factor in the money which EU migrants pay in taxes we make a lot more out of them than they cost us in terms of services. Whilst we only gain 16% of the cost back from the sending country for tourists, etc, these costs are factored into the cost of tourism which is a major industry in Wales (£3.5bn in 2010, for example). Remember also a lot of UK citizens go holidaying in Europe and if we decide that we can recoup the full 100% of costs from people holidaying over here then other countries will do the same for us...[/p][/quote]EU migrants only pay taxes if they are working. If they are suckling at the Benefits teat they put nothing into the system. So the system makes nothing out of them. I apologise in that I completely fail to see the connection between immigrants arriving in this country specifically for free medical treatment as opposed to coming here for two weeks holiday. I am wrong in seeing the letter writers point that if you travel here for medical aid you should maybe have the funds to pay up from the start, not after when they slide away from the spotlight? The connection of how many Brits go on holiday to the EU is just plain lost on me... Somebody help....[/p][/quote]The fact is that on average EU migrants put money into our economy (not "suckling at the Benefits teat" as you so colourfully put it). We rake it in off them frankly! The issue is discriminating between those who come for medical care and those who come to work or on holiday. If we restrict EU citizens from getting NHS aid when over here their home countries will do the same thing to our citizens when over there. It's the principle of reciprocity. mkaibear1
  • Score: -13

6:46pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
When you factor in the money which EU migrants pay in taxes we make a lot more out of them than they cost us in terms of services.

Whilst we only gain 16% of the cost back from the sending country for tourists, etc, these costs are factored into the cost of tourism which is a major industry in Wales (£3.5bn in 2010, for example).

Remember also a lot of UK citizens go holidaying in Europe and if we decide that we can recoup the full 100% of costs from people holidaying over here then other countries will do the same for us...
If you are holidaying in the EU and make use of their health services then they do indeed charge the cost back to the UK, With EU visitors to the UK we do not in general charge it back
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: When you factor in the money which EU migrants pay in taxes we make a lot more out of them than they cost us in terms of services. Whilst we only gain 16% of the cost back from the sending country for tourists, etc, these costs are factored into the cost of tourism which is a major industry in Wales (£3.5bn in 2010, for example). Remember also a lot of UK citizens go holidaying in Europe and if we decide that we can recoup the full 100% of costs from people holidaying over here then other countries will do the same for us...[/p][/quote]If you are holidaying in the EU and make use of their health services then they do indeed charge the cost back to the UK, With EU visitors to the UK we do not in general charge it back Bobevans
  • Score: 11

8:03pm Thu 24 Jul 14

welshmen says...

mkaibear1
With respect no pun intended are you an immigrant? the Far Left tell us that Immigration is good for us, not so, only good for the immigrants, Migration Watch reported that Immigration to our country from 1995-2011 cost this Country £148 Billion, pro immigration parties bend anything to further the cause of more migrants to flood our Country with unskilled labour as the Labour Party done for many years, as for Doctors Nurses or any other skill we need then we have enough of our own out of work here to train up.

We have to have the millions from the EU because our stupid useless not fit for purpose Labour and the Coalition Governments that can't stop them coming here, they take all the housing, cause waiting lists for schools, Doctors, dentists. etc at the same time I can't blame Immigrants for coming here, it's the Governments Fault.

Holiday health tourists are not people coming here for a holiday and getting ill no, it's ill people coming here for treatment, that costs thousands in their own Country, like HIV, TB, and any other costly illness they have, or to come here to have their Children for free, their born here opens up another long term Benefit for the British Taxpayer, as you do, you find statistic to cover all your arguments, that are pro immigration or pro Islam, how about pro British how about sticking up for the Country you call home, or are you a travelling Immigrant here to better your self and the expense of your home Countries loss, like all the foreign Doctors and Nurses that come here leaving their own countries who taught them, shame, shame on all of them....

Our NHS are now going to charge 100% up front for their medical treatment then 50% profit payment when back in their own Country or something to that effect...and about time Millions and Millions lost year on year, the world see this Country as the biggest soft touch for benefits and terrorists on this planet, we either toughen up get rid of the fare left or lose our Country to Islam....to see what I'm saying follow the march in London this weekend, see who are there, see the power of British haters, jimmyonebraincell2 will be their with his Green Party activists, condemning our British Culture....
mkaibear1 With respect no pun intended are you an immigrant? the Far Left tell us that Immigration is good for us, not so, only good for the immigrants, Migration Watch reported that Immigration to our country from 1995-2011 cost this Country £148 Billion, pro immigration parties bend anything to further the cause of more migrants to flood our Country with unskilled labour as the Labour Party done for many years, as for Doctors Nurses or any other skill we need then we have enough of our own out of work here to train up. We have to have the millions from the EU because our stupid useless not fit for purpose Labour and the Coalition Governments that can't stop them coming here, they take all the housing, cause waiting lists for schools, Doctors, dentists. etc at the same time I can't blame Immigrants for coming here, it's the Governments Fault. Holiday health tourists are not people coming here for a holiday and getting ill no, it's ill people coming here for treatment, that costs thousands in their own Country, like HIV, TB, and any other costly illness they have, or to come here to have their Children for free, their born here opens up another long term Benefit for the British Taxpayer, as you do, you find statistic to cover all your arguments, that are pro immigration or pro Islam, how about pro British how about sticking up for the Country you call home, or are you a travelling Immigrant here to better your self and the expense of your home Countries loss, like all the foreign Doctors and Nurses that come here leaving their own countries who taught them, shame, shame on all of them.... Our NHS are now going to charge 100% up front for their medical treatment then 50% profit payment when back in their own Country or something to that effect...and about time Millions and Millions lost year on year, the world see this Country as the biggest soft touch for benefits and terrorists on this planet, we either toughen up get rid of the fare left or lose our Country to Islam....to see what I'm saying follow the march in London this weekend, see who are there, see the power of British haters, jimmyonebraincell2 will be their with his Green Party activists, condemning our British Culture.... welshmen
  • Score: 11

8:25pm Thu 24 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

welshmen wrote:
mkaibear1
With respect no pun intended are you an immigrant? the Far Left tell us that Immigration is good for us, not so, only good for the immigrants, Migration Watch reported that Immigration to our country from 1995-2011 cost this Country £148 Billion, pro immigration parties bend anything to further the cause of more migrants to flood our Country with unskilled labour as the Labour Party done for many years, as for Doctors Nurses or any other skill we need then we have enough of our own out of work here to train up.

We have to have the millions from the EU because our stupid useless not fit for purpose Labour and the Coalition Governments that can't stop them coming here, they take all the housing, cause waiting lists for schools, Doctors, dentists. etc at the same time I can't blame Immigrants for coming here, it's the Governments Fault.

Holiday health tourists are not people coming here for a holiday and getting ill no, it's ill people coming here for treatment, that costs thousands in their own Country, like HIV, TB, and any other costly illness they have, or to come here to have their Children for free, their born here opens up another long term Benefit for the British Taxpayer, as you do, you find statistic to cover all your arguments, that are pro immigration or pro Islam, how about pro British how about sticking up for the Country you call home, or are you a travelling Immigrant here to better your self and the expense of your home Countries loss, like all the foreign Doctors and Nurses that come here leaving their own countries who taught them, shame, shame on all of them....

Our NHS are now going to charge 100% up front for their medical treatment then 50% profit payment when back in their own Country or something to that effect...and about time Millions and Millions lost year on year, the world see this Country as the biggest soft touch for benefits and terrorists on this planet, we either toughen up get rid of the fare left or lose our Country to Islam....to see what I'm saying follow the march in London this weekend, see who are there, see the power of British haters, jimmyonebraincell2 will be their with his Green Party activists, condemning our British Culture....
Ah, Migration watch, of course they have no agenda in this. Originally founded when one person who was anti immigration read some anti immigration letters in the media and decided to meet the author to found a group.

My figures come from an scientific paper published by University College London. Go and have a look, it's freely available online, along with all their figures and assumptions. Strange how migration watch doesn't state theirs.

We have earned more than £6000 more than we spent on average from each EEA migrant between 1995 and 2011.

Oh, and to answer my question, I'm from an immigrant family. My great (to the umpteenth) granddad came over in 1066 with the rest of the Normans.

We're all immigrants.

I'm a right-wing true-blue free-market loving Margaret Thatcher loving Tory. I look at the modern Tory party and the modern right wing and see that it's been taken over by racists, xenophobes and panderers who are more interested in scoring political points than actually fixing the economy.

Here's what you do as a right-winger: invest. Invest in people. Invest in infrastructure. Invest in teaching. Invest in the future.

You get immigrants in, you fix them up (if necessary), you put them to work and then you tax them.

None of this "waaaa people who are on benefits are sponging off the public purse" nonsense, you make work pay and then you tax them!

You make the poor richer by giving them a stake in their future, not by kicking them whilst they're down like the modern right wing want to do or leaving them in the mud with no reason to get up like the modern left wing want to do.

Other points: we pay more to other EU countries than they do to us because there are a lot more UK pensioners in the EU than there are EU pensioners in the UK. If we start charging 150% then they'll start doing the same and oh look at that we're worse off than we are now.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: mkaibear1 With respect no pun intended are you an immigrant? the Far Left tell us that Immigration is good for us, not so, only good for the immigrants, Migration Watch reported that Immigration to our country from 1995-2011 cost this Country £148 Billion, pro immigration parties bend anything to further the cause of more migrants to flood our Country with unskilled labour as the Labour Party done for many years, as for Doctors Nurses or any other skill we need then we have enough of our own out of work here to train up. We have to have the millions from the EU because our stupid useless not fit for purpose Labour and the Coalition Governments that can't stop them coming here, they take all the housing, cause waiting lists for schools, Doctors, dentists. etc at the same time I can't blame Immigrants for coming here, it's the Governments Fault. Holiday health tourists are not people coming here for a holiday and getting ill no, it's ill people coming here for treatment, that costs thousands in their own Country, like HIV, TB, and any other costly illness they have, or to come here to have their Children for free, their born here opens up another long term Benefit for the British Taxpayer, as you do, you find statistic to cover all your arguments, that are pro immigration or pro Islam, how about pro British how about sticking up for the Country you call home, or are you a travelling Immigrant here to better your self and the expense of your home Countries loss, like all the foreign Doctors and Nurses that come here leaving their own countries who taught them, shame, shame on all of them.... Our NHS are now going to charge 100% up front for their medical treatment then 50% profit payment when back in their own Country or something to that effect...and about time Millions and Millions lost year on year, the world see this Country as the biggest soft touch for benefits and terrorists on this planet, we either toughen up get rid of the fare left or lose our Country to Islam....to see what I'm saying follow the march in London this weekend, see who are there, see the power of British haters, jimmyonebraincell2 will be their with his Green Party activists, condemning our British Culture....[/p][/quote]Ah, Migration watch, of course they have no agenda in this. Originally founded when one person who was anti immigration read some anti immigration letters in the media and decided to meet the author to found a group. My figures come from an scientific paper published by University College London. Go and have a look, it's freely available online, along with all their figures and assumptions. Strange how migration watch doesn't state theirs. We have earned more than £6000 more than we spent on average from each EEA migrant between 1995 and 2011. Oh, and to answer my question, I'm from an immigrant family. My great (to the umpteenth) granddad came over in 1066 with the rest of the Normans. We're all immigrants. I'm a right-wing true-blue free-market loving Margaret Thatcher loving Tory. I look at the modern Tory party and the modern right wing and see that it's been taken over by racists, xenophobes and panderers who are more interested in scoring political points than actually fixing the economy. Here's what you do as a right-winger: invest. Invest in people. Invest in infrastructure. Invest in teaching. Invest in the future. You get immigrants in, you fix them up (if necessary), you put them to work and then you tax them. None of this "waaaa people who are on benefits are sponging off the public purse" nonsense, you make work pay and then you tax them! You make the poor richer by giving them a stake in their future, not by kicking them whilst they're down like the modern right wing want to do or leaving them in the mud with no reason to get up like the modern left wing want to do. Other points: we pay more to other EU countries than they do to us because there are a lot more UK pensioners in the EU than there are EU pensioners in the UK. If we start charging 150% then they'll start doing the same and oh look at that we're worse off than we are now. mkaibear1
  • Score: -2

3:06pm Fri 25 Jul 14

welshmen says...

mkaibear1

You really like the lefts agenda not the right, Some schools where kids have to eat Halal meat, Britain's 40% surge in ethnic numbers, 4000 foreign murders and rapists we can't throw out, every 4 minutes a migrant is arrested, headlines like this show just how over run we are with Immigrants, your quite prepared to have Immigrants from anywhere, I would shut the doors stop all immigration until all our out of work are employed, with respect are you walking around with white stick and a nice Labrador.

As for you comment 1066 and all that crap isn't anything to do with today, British is a Christian white based culture and has been for hundreds of years and still is, and according to the UN charter The Indigenous People of that Country have the Right to be the Majority, but with the hoards of Immigrants coming here it has started to change our Countries Culture for the worse, councils around the country are paying £1.7 million monthly for housing immigrants, more than 2000 foreign families are living here rent free, RENT FREE....

UKIP I hope will get our country out of the EU ASAP, you can go and live with your mates in the EU if that's where your Business is, as to our pensioners in foreign lands, They pay their way, pay for medical treatment and spend their pensions in that Country unlike your lefty agenda with immigrants, £billions are sent our of the Country year on year, child benefit paid to immigrant kids who don't even live here, your wrong and so are millions like you, our Countries population is over 64.1 million, 2013 26.5 % of British Births are to foreign born mothers that's up from 25.9% for 2012, you might like to be a minority in our Country like the rest of the left, I don't and millions of Britons don't either....
mkaibear1 You really like the lefts agenda not the right, Some schools where kids have to eat Halal meat, Britain's 40% surge in ethnic numbers, 4000 foreign murders and rapists we can't throw out, every 4 minutes a migrant is arrested, headlines like this show just how over run we are with Immigrants, your quite prepared to have Immigrants from anywhere, I would shut the doors stop all immigration until all our out of work are employed, with respect are you walking around with white stick and a nice Labrador. As for you comment 1066 and all that crap isn't anything to do with today, British is a Christian white based culture and has been for hundreds of years and still is, and according to the UN charter The Indigenous People of that Country have the Right to be the Majority, but with the hoards of Immigrants coming here it has started to change our Countries Culture for the worse, councils around the country are paying £1.7 million monthly for housing immigrants, more than 2000 foreign families are living here rent free, RENT FREE.... UKIP I hope will get our country out of the EU ASAP, you can go and live with your mates in the EU if that's where your Business is, as to our pensioners in foreign lands, They pay their way, pay for medical treatment and spend their pensions in that Country unlike your lefty agenda with immigrants, £billions are sent our of the Country year on year, child benefit paid to immigrant kids who don't even live here, your wrong and so are millions like you, our Countries population is over 64.1 million, 2013 26.5 % of British Births are to foreign born mothers that's up from 25.9% for 2012, you might like to be a minority in our Country like the rest of the left, I don't and millions of Britons don't either.... welshmen
  • Score: 6

3:31pm Fri 25 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

welshmen wrote:
mkaibear1

You really like the lefts agenda not the right, Some schools where kids have to eat Halal meat, Britain's 40% surge in ethnic numbers, 4000 foreign murders and rapists we can't throw out, every 4 minutes a migrant is arrested, headlines like this show just how over run we are with Immigrants, your quite prepared to have Immigrants from anywhere, I would shut the doors stop all immigration until all our out of work are employed, with respect are you walking around with white stick and a nice Labrador.

As for you comment 1066 and all that crap isn't anything to do with today, British is a Christian white based culture and has been for hundreds of years and still is, and according to the UN charter The Indigenous People of that Country have the Right to be the Majority, but with the hoards of Immigrants coming here it has started to change our Countries Culture for the worse, councils around the country are paying £1.7 million monthly for housing immigrants, more than 2000 foreign families are living here rent free, RENT FREE....

UKIP I hope will get our country out of the EU ASAP, you can go and live with your mates in the EU if that's where your Business is, as to our pensioners in foreign lands, They pay their way, pay for medical treatment and spend their pensions in that Country unlike your lefty agenda with immigrants, £billions are sent our of the Country year on year, child benefit paid to immigrant kids who don't even live here, your wrong and so are millions like you, our Countries population is over 64.1 million, 2013 26.5 % of British Births are to foreign born mothers that's up from 25.9% for 2012, you might like to be a minority in our Country like the rest of the left, I don't and millions of Britons don't either....
Nah, I think lefties are naive and don't understand how things work in the real world, just as I do the racists and xenophobes who think we should close our borders and huddle in a corner until the economy goes down the tubes around us.

Bring 'em in, let 'em work, make 'em pay. That's what this country was *built* on.

Just because you can't be bothered to do the maths and work out what's best for our economy doesn't mean I'm willing to have the increased tax burden from your apathy. Taxes should be reduced as low as possible and getting rid of immigrants will make it *worse*.

Yes, even with paying for "housing immigrants". Even with the dodgy "child benefit" scams (aka council officials not doing their jobs properly). Even with all the money we send out of this country, even with all the money we spend on them we are *MAKING MONEY OUT OF THEM*

How hard is this to understand?

The figures are all freely available. It's a simple costs-versus-benefit
s calculation. Anyone who calls themselves right-wing should be able to work this out.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: mkaibear1 You really like the lefts agenda not the right, Some schools where kids have to eat Halal meat, Britain's 40% surge in ethnic numbers, 4000 foreign murders and rapists we can't throw out, every 4 minutes a migrant is arrested, headlines like this show just how over run we are with Immigrants, your quite prepared to have Immigrants from anywhere, I would shut the doors stop all immigration until all our out of work are employed, with respect are you walking around with white stick and a nice Labrador. As for you comment 1066 and all that crap isn't anything to do with today, British is a Christian white based culture and has been for hundreds of years and still is, and according to the UN charter The Indigenous People of that Country have the Right to be the Majority, but with the hoards of Immigrants coming here it has started to change our Countries Culture for the worse, councils around the country are paying £1.7 million monthly for housing immigrants, more than 2000 foreign families are living here rent free, RENT FREE.... UKIP I hope will get our country out of the EU ASAP, you can go and live with your mates in the EU if that's where your Business is, as to our pensioners in foreign lands, They pay their way, pay for medical treatment and spend their pensions in that Country unlike your lefty agenda with immigrants, £billions are sent our of the Country year on year, child benefit paid to immigrant kids who don't even live here, your wrong and so are millions like you, our Countries population is over 64.1 million, 2013 26.5 % of British Births are to foreign born mothers that's up from 25.9% for 2012, you might like to be a minority in our Country like the rest of the left, I don't and millions of Britons don't either....[/p][/quote]Nah, I think lefties are naive and don't understand how things work in the real world, just as I do the racists and xenophobes who think we should close our borders and huddle in a corner until the economy goes down the tubes around us. Bring 'em in, let 'em work, make 'em pay. That's what this country was *built* on. Just because you can't be bothered to do the maths and work out what's best for our economy doesn't mean I'm willing to have the increased tax burden from your apathy. Taxes should be reduced as low as possible and getting rid of immigrants will make it *worse*. Yes, even with paying for "housing immigrants". Even with the dodgy "child benefit" scams (aka council officials not doing their jobs properly). Even with all the money we send out of this country, even with all the money we spend on them we are *MAKING MONEY OUT OF THEM* How hard is this to understand? The figures are all freely available. It's a simple costs-versus-benefit s calculation. Anyone who calls themselves right-wing should be able to work this out. mkaibear1
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3:32pm Fri 25 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

And as for prisoners - assuming your claim that there are 4,000 immigrant prisoners is correct, and immigrants make up 12% of the UK population, you'd expect there to be about 30,000 UK nationals in prison. Given that there are about 81000 UK nationals in prison you are implying that the indigenous population are about two and a half times more likely to break the law than immigrants. Not sure that's a great tack to be taking...
And as for prisoners - assuming your claim that there are 4,000 immigrant prisoners is correct, and immigrants make up 12% of the UK population, you'd expect there to be about 30,000 UK nationals in prison. Given that there are about 81000 UK nationals in prison you are implying that the indigenous population are about two and a half times more likely to break the law than immigrants. Not sure that's a great tack to be taking... mkaibear1
  • Score: 1

5:38pm Fri 25 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
When you factor in the money which EU migrants pay in taxes we make a lot more out of them than they cost us in terms of services.

Whilst we only gain 16% of the cost back from the sending country for tourists, etc, these costs are factored into the cost of tourism which is a major industry in Wales (£3.5bn in 2010, for example).

Remember also a lot of UK citizens go holidaying in Europe and if we decide that we can recoup the full 100% of costs from people holidaying over here then other countries will do the same for us...
These tax paying immigrants would include the large Romanian families
living on benefits in free housing sending home large sums in child benefit probably for children who do not exist . The same apply to the thousands of Africans entering the country in ever increasing numbers
even some with proved genocide charges . I understand a survey last year indicated that some families although tax paying were taking back more in benefits than they were contributing without counting Education and NHS costs, one of those costs in particular causing concern being the number of Asian children genetically damaged through virtual incestuous breeding which in medical terms is being considered a social time bomb . Looking at the overall picture the only beneficiary's of immigration are employers forcing down wages with government acquiescence ,for a certainty young British people are disenfranchised .
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: When you factor in the money which EU migrants pay in taxes we make a lot more out of them than they cost us in terms of services. Whilst we only gain 16% of the cost back from the sending country for tourists, etc, these costs are factored into the cost of tourism which is a major industry in Wales (£3.5bn in 2010, for example). Remember also a lot of UK citizens go holidaying in Europe and if we decide that we can recoup the full 100% of costs from people holidaying over here then other countries will do the same for us...[/p][/quote]These tax paying immigrants would include the large Romanian families living on benefits in free housing sending home large sums in child benefit probably for children who do not exist . The same apply to the thousands of Africans entering the country in ever increasing numbers even some with proved genocide charges . I understand a survey last year indicated that some families although tax paying were taking back more in benefits than they were contributing without counting Education and NHS costs, one of those costs in particular causing concern being the number of Asian children genetically damaged through virtual incestuous breeding which in medical terms is being considered a social time bomb . Looking at the overall picture the only beneficiary's of immigration are employers forcing down wages with government acquiescence ,for a certainty young British people are disenfranchised . coalpicker
  • Score: 4

5:55pm Fri 25 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

...and despite all of the outliers you mention, despite those people who do sponge off the state (incidentally immigrants on average are 45% less likely to claim benefits than indigents) we still make money off them.

I'm sure some families are costing us more than we get from them - but there are proportionally more UK natural families costing us more than we get from them than immigrant ones.

It doesn't matter, anyway. Overall, we make money off immigrants. The more immigrants, the more money. At some point we will reach a point where this is not the case and that's when you look to control migration - not when you're still making money off them.

Simple free market supply and demand. Or a "right-wing" policy. Incidentally everyone who is proposing that we shut our borders to immigrants - you do realise that that is basically government interference in a free market - or a "left-wing" policy.
...and despite all of the outliers you mention, despite those people who do sponge off the state (incidentally immigrants on average are 45% less likely to claim benefits than indigents) we still make money off them. I'm sure some families are costing us more than we get from them - but there are proportionally more UK natural families costing us more than we get from them than immigrant ones. It doesn't matter, anyway. Overall, we make money off immigrants. The more immigrants, the more money. At some point we will reach a point where this is not the case and that's when you look to control migration - not when you're still making money off them. Simple free market supply and demand. Or a "right-wing" policy. Incidentally everyone who is proposing that we shut our borders to immigrants - you do realise that that is basically government interference in a free market - or a "left-wing" policy. mkaibear1
  • Score: -2

7:20pm Fri 25 Jul 14

taffygwent says...

When we visit europe and have to seek medical facilities we have to pay 100 per cent otherwise we are shown the door
When we visit europe and have to seek medical facilities we have to pay 100 per cent otherwise we are shown the door taffygwent
  • Score: 9

7:28pm Fri 25 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
...and despite all of the outliers you mention, despite those people who do sponge off the state (incidentally immigrants on average are 45% less likely to claim benefits than indigents) we still make money off them.

I'm sure some families are costing us more than we get from them - but there are proportionally more UK natural families costing us more than we get from them than immigrant ones.

It doesn't matter, anyway. Overall, we make money off immigrants. The more immigrants, the more money. At some point we will reach a point where this is not the case and that's when you look to control migration - not when you're still making money off them.

Simple free market supply and demand. Or a "right-wing" policy. Incidentally everyone who is proposing that we shut our borders to immigrants - you do realise that that is basically government interference in a free market - or a "left-wing" policy.
Keep taking the medication old son , you could end up on labours front bench half of them rely on the brain washed to keep their very lucrative employment , keep saying it loud enough long enough, ENOUGH SAID .
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: ...and despite all of the outliers you mention, despite those people who do sponge off the state (incidentally immigrants on average are 45% less likely to claim benefits than indigents) we still make money off them. I'm sure some families are costing us more than we get from them - but there are proportionally more UK natural families costing us more than we get from them than immigrant ones. It doesn't matter, anyway. Overall, we make money off immigrants. The more immigrants, the more money. At some point we will reach a point where this is not the case and that's when you look to control migration - not when you're still making money off them. Simple free market supply and demand. Or a "right-wing" policy. Incidentally everyone who is proposing that we shut our borders to immigrants - you do realise that that is basically government interference in a free market - or a "left-wing" policy.[/p][/quote]Keep taking the medication old son , you could end up on labours front bench half of them rely on the brain washed to keep their very lucrative employment , keep saying it loud enough long enough, ENOUGH SAID . coalpicker
  • Score: 2

7:38pm Fri 25 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

Really, that's the best you can do? Accuse me of being a Labour supporter based on the fact that I think people should be made to work and taxed on their earnings?

You clearly have no idea about what the difference is between left and right wing. Why not go and do a little research them come back and try again.
Really, that's the best you can do? Accuse me of being a Labour supporter based on the fact that I think people should be made to work and taxed on their earnings? You clearly have no idea about what the difference is between left and right wing. Why not go and do a little research them come back and try again. mkaibear1
  • Score: 0

9:30am Sat 26 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

Oh good grief you're complaining now that you don't get to be racist like you used to? Here's a pointer for you: all those words are diminutives - they are used to make the thing you are referring to smaller, less important, not as good as you. That's why they aren't used by civilised people any more, it's not about political correctness it's about a basic level of respect for other human beings.

Back to the original point: can you please identify for me were I am "left-wing" in my policies? Given that I want to keep my taxes low by spreading the tax base (right-wing), make sure that people currently on benefits are got back to work (right-wing), make sure that we get the most value from our investment in people (not technically right-wing but free market capitalist)...

You claim to be able to identify left wing and right wing but it certainly looks like you've forgotten how.
Oh good grief you're complaining now that you don't get to be racist like you used to? Here's a pointer for you: all those words are diminutives - they are used to make the thing you are referring to smaller, less important, not as good as you. That's why they aren't used by civilised people any more, it's not about political correctness it's about a basic level of respect for other human beings. Back to the original point: can you please identify for me were I am "left-wing" in my policies? Given that I want to keep my taxes low by spreading the tax base (right-wing), make sure that people currently on benefits are got back to work (right-wing), make sure that we get the most value from our investment in people (not technically right-wing but free market capitalist)... You claim to be able to identify left wing and right wing but it certainly looks like you've forgotten how. mkaibear1
  • Score: 0

10:00am Sat 26 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
Oh good grief you're complaining now that you don't get to be racist like you used to? Here's a pointer for you: all those words are diminutives - they are used to make the thing you are referring to smaller, less important, not as good as you. That's why they aren't used by civilised people any more, it's not about political correctness it's about a basic level of respect for other human beings.

Back to the original point: can you please identify for me were I am "left-wing" in my policies? Given that I want to keep my taxes low by spreading the tax base (right-wing), make sure that people currently on benefits are got back to work (right-wing), make sure that we get the most value from our investment in people (not technically right-wing but free market capitalist)...

You claim to be able to identify left wing and right wing but it certainly looks like you've forgotten how.
People like myself not only made this country the greatest on the planet
in international terms but created a society which made it a great deal better than from whence you come and I object in the strongest possible terms that you ,clearly a foreigner, tell me and my countrymen that we have to reinvent our language because it may offend people who are taking advantage of our hard won social infrastructure instead of creating
their own ,in the process trying to change this nation into the failed system you have run away from. Go home and trouble us no more .
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: Oh good grief you're complaining now that you don't get to be racist like you used to? Here's a pointer for you: all those words are diminutives - they are used to make the thing you are referring to smaller, less important, not as good as you. That's why they aren't used by civilised people any more, it's not about political correctness it's about a basic level of respect for other human beings. Back to the original point: can you please identify for me were I am "left-wing" in my policies? Given that I want to keep my taxes low by spreading the tax base (right-wing), make sure that people currently on benefits are got back to work (right-wing), make sure that we get the most value from our investment in people (not technically right-wing but free market capitalist)... You claim to be able to identify left wing and right wing but it certainly looks like you've forgotten how.[/p][/quote]People like myself not only made this country the greatest on the planet in international terms but created a society which made it a great deal better than from whence you come and I object in the strongest possible terms that you ,clearly a foreigner, tell me and my countrymen that we have to reinvent our language because it may offend people who are taking advantage of our hard won social infrastructure instead of creating their own ,in the process trying to change this nation into the failed system you have run away from. Go home and trouble us no more . coalpicker
  • Score: 1

10:51am Sat 26 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

So you have decided not to bother answering questions and instead are just trying to be insulting? Good argument, there. Well done.

My family has been UK native for nearly a thousand years, so you can take your "clearly a foreigner" and put it back where it came from.

Our society is a civilised society, where we respect each other and treat each other as human beings not abuse them, diminish them and treat them as less than ourselves. We build people up not slap them down, we make them want to be British not treat them like dirt because they aren't.

It is not people like you who made this country great. It is those who fought and died to defeat those who wanted to put themselves at the top of the tree rather than recognise that all are equal who made our country great. It is those who sacrificed themselves to stop an ideology of hate from consuming our continent who made our country great. It is those who stood up for civilisation, for equality, for freedom, those are who made our country great.

You? You who believe we are inherently superior because of our nationality, who believe we should stop anyone else from sharing our nation because they're not the right sort, who believe that we should not work to share our civilisation with others... You espouse values they would have fought against. How dare you claim responsibility for making this country the place it is today? How DARE you?

You are offensive, you are wrong, and you are everything those heroes fought against. You are a troll and I am going to treat you like one. Good day.
So you have decided not to bother answering questions and instead are just trying to be insulting? Good argument, there. Well done. My family has been UK native for nearly a thousand years, so you can take your "clearly a foreigner" and put it back where it came from. Our society is a civilised society, where we respect each other and treat each other as human beings not abuse them, diminish them and treat them as less than ourselves. We build people up not slap them down, we make them want to be British not treat them like dirt because they aren't. It is not people like you who made this country great. It is those who fought and died to defeat those who wanted to put themselves at the top of the tree rather than recognise that all are equal who made our country great. It is those who sacrificed themselves to stop an ideology of hate from consuming our continent who made our country great. It is those who stood up for civilisation, for equality, for freedom, those are who made our country great. You? You who believe we are inherently superior because of our nationality, who believe we should stop anyone else from sharing our nation because they're not the right sort, who believe that we should not work to share our civilisation with others... You espouse values they would have fought against. How dare you claim responsibility for making this country the place it is today? How DARE you? You are offensive, you are wrong, and you are everything those heroes fought against. You are a troll and I am going to treat you like one. Good day. mkaibear1
  • Score: 5

11:36am Sat 26 Jul 14

welshmen says...

mkaibear1

You really have it all backwards, do you think that millions of British people fought and died so that their Country could be invaded by anyone from anywhere and demand a chunk of their heritage they died for, no, our people died to stop foreigners taking over our Country and destroying our way of life , my family and many others gave to our Country the ultimate sacrifice.

By your posts you seem to have the belief's of a pacifist, unable to defend our sovereignty in favour of giving it up just to make friends with strangers hoping they wont exclude you from their plans for our Country, perhaps you enjoy having immigrants work for you to make more profit in stead of the indigenous British, these days more immigrants are showing us British Hate, we welcomed people from Asia for many years only to have some of them kill 54 and injure hundreds of British, not withstanding the heinous slaying of one of our Best on a Woolwich Road.

Most immigrants that you respect more than your own Country men are here for themselves not our Country or our Culture, people like you are the very people who have allowed the slow destruction of our Culture by supporting uncontrolled immigration, you say your a true blue Tory-boy, I don't think for one minute that your heroin Mrs T would go along with your craving for more immigrants swamping our Country, perhaps to find your eldardo you need to move along because while I have a breath in my body I will fight to stop your dream for our Country, with the help of God and Millions of true British people....
mkaibear1 You really have it all backwards, do you think that millions of British people fought and died so that their Country could be invaded by anyone from anywhere and demand a chunk of their heritage they died for, no, our people died to stop foreigners taking over our Country and destroying our way of life , my family and many others gave to our Country the ultimate sacrifice. By your posts you seem to have the belief's of a pacifist, unable to defend our sovereignty in favour of giving it up just to make friends with strangers hoping they wont exclude you from their plans for our Country, perhaps you enjoy having immigrants work for you to make more profit in stead of the indigenous British, these days more immigrants are showing us British Hate, we welcomed people from Asia for many years only to have some of them kill 54 and injure hundreds of British, not withstanding the heinous slaying of one of our Best on a Woolwich Road. Most immigrants that you respect more than your own Country men are here for themselves not our Country or our Culture, people like you are the very people who have allowed the slow destruction of our Culture by supporting uncontrolled immigration, you say your a true blue Tory-boy, I don't think for one minute that your heroin Mrs T would go along with your craving for more immigrants swamping our Country, perhaps to find your eldardo you need to move along because while I have a breath in my body I will fight to stop your dream for our Country, with the help of God and Millions of true British people.... welshmen
  • Score: 0

11:48am Sat 26 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

Ah welshie I was wondering when you'd show up.

No, they sacrificed for our culture and society, where the very best rise to the top regardless of race colour or creed. They sacrificed for freedom, for liberty, in defence against tyranny.

Your racist, xenophobic, intolerant beliefs are what they were fighting against.

I have no views on how many immigrants we should allow in. I have views on taxes and wealth - if they bring us money, let them come. If they cost us money, let them not. At the moment they are bringing us money, so...

Also find it hilarious that you are accusing me of being too right wing to care about our society (prioritising my personal wealth over the good of society) and troll-boy coalpicker is accusing me of being too left-wing to care about society. It's clear neither of you is capable of reading each other's posts.

Finally, keep drinking from the UKIP well. When the referendum comes and we vote to stay in Europe (which we will do, as a majority of the UK wants to stay) you'll go back to being the disgruntled single-issue protest party you always have been.
Ah welshie I was wondering when you'd show up. No, they sacrificed for our culture and society, where the very best rise to the top regardless of race colour or creed. They sacrificed for freedom, for liberty, in defence against tyranny. Your racist, xenophobic, intolerant beliefs are what they were fighting against. I have no views on how many immigrants we should allow in. I have views on taxes and wealth - if they bring us money, let them come. If they cost us money, let them not. At the moment they are bringing us money, so... Also find it hilarious that you are accusing me of being too right wing to care about our society (prioritising my personal wealth over the good of society) and troll-boy coalpicker is accusing me of being too left-wing to care about society. It's clear neither of you is capable of reading each other's posts. Finally, keep drinking from the UKIP well. When the referendum comes and we vote to stay in Europe (which we will do, as a majority of the UK wants to stay) you'll go back to being the disgruntled single-issue protest party you always have been. mkaibear1
  • Score: -5

12:11pm Sat 26 Jul 14

taffymark says...

welshmen wrote:
mkaibear1
With respect no pun intended are you an immigrant? the Far Left tell us that Immigration is good for us, not so, only good for the immigrants, Migration Watch reported that Immigration to our country from 1995-2011 cost this Country £148 Billion, pro immigration parties bend anything to further the cause of more migrants to flood our Country with unskilled labour as the Labour Party done for many years, as for Doctors Nurses or any other skill we need then we have enough of our own out of work here to train up.

We have to have the millions from the EU because our stupid useless not fit for purpose Labour and the Coalition Governments that can't stop them coming here, they take all the housing, cause waiting lists for schools, Doctors, dentists. etc at the same time I can't blame Immigrants for coming here, it's the Governments Fault.

Holiday health tourists are not people coming here for a holiday and getting ill no, it's ill people coming here for treatment, that costs thousands in their own Country, like HIV, TB, and any other costly illness they have, or to come here to have their Children for free, their born here opens up another long term Benefit for the British Taxpayer, as you do, you find statistic to cover all your arguments, that are pro immigration or pro Islam, how about pro British how about sticking up for the Country you call home, or are you a travelling Immigrant here to better your self and the expense of your home Countries loss, like all the foreign Doctors and Nurses that come here leaving their own countries who taught them, shame, shame on all of them....

Our NHS are now going to charge 100% up front for their medical treatment then 50% profit payment when back in their own Country or something to that effect...and about time Millions and Millions lost year on year, the world see this Country as the biggest soft touch for benefits and terrorists on this planet, we either toughen up get rid of the fare left or lose our Country to Islam....to see what I'm saying follow the march in London this weekend, see who are there, see the power of British haters, jimmyonebraincell2 will be their with his Green Party activists, condemning our British Culture....
Well I could have not put this or read this any better my friend. I recently spoke about this in a similar context and got called all sorts of foul names on social media for doing so, and that was from some younger cousins of mine who I have yet to meet face to face and thank them in person for. It seems that in todays Britain a very large section of the so called indigenous population are for ever trying to stifle proper 50/50 debate, for them it's thier way or no way and quite honestly the immigrants hardly open thier mouths!... why would they when they already have the work shy lefties waiting in the wings to attack anyone who dare to have a different opinion than thier own. This country is and has been sleep walking into a belief change, rapid culture change, not to mention the education scandal that' s happening all around us. Look at the state of the NHS in Wales for instance, hours and hours waiting in A&E , months and years for hospital appointments and operations, the list is endless! I fear for my children and grandchildrens future here in the U.K. It will not be what my Grand fathers fought and died for that's for sure. Beam me up Mrs Merkel!...
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: mkaibear1 With respect no pun intended are you an immigrant? the Far Left tell us that Immigration is good for us, not so, only good for the immigrants, Migration Watch reported that Immigration to our country from 1995-2011 cost this Country £148 Billion, pro immigration parties bend anything to further the cause of more migrants to flood our Country with unskilled labour as the Labour Party done for many years, as for Doctors Nurses or any other skill we need then we have enough of our own out of work here to train up. We have to have the millions from the EU because our stupid useless not fit for purpose Labour and the Coalition Governments that can't stop them coming here, they take all the housing, cause waiting lists for schools, Doctors, dentists. etc at the same time I can't blame Immigrants for coming here, it's the Governments Fault. Holiday health tourists are not people coming here for a holiday and getting ill no, it's ill people coming here for treatment, that costs thousands in their own Country, like HIV, TB, and any other costly illness they have, or to come here to have their Children for free, their born here opens up another long term Benefit for the British Taxpayer, as you do, you find statistic to cover all your arguments, that are pro immigration or pro Islam, how about pro British how about sticking up for the Country you call home, or are you a travelling Immigrant here to better your self and the expense of your home Countries loss, like all the foreign Doctors and Nurses that come here leaving their own countries who taught them, shame, shame on all of them.... Our NHS are now going to charge 100% up front for their medical treatment then 50% profit payment when back in their own Country or something to that effect...and about time Millions and Millions lost year on year, the world see this Country as the biggest soft touch for benefits and terrorists on this planet, we either toughen up get rid of the fare left or lose our Country to Islam....to see what I'm saying follow the march in London this weekend, see who are there, see the power of British haters, jimmyonebraincell2 will be their with his Green Party activists, condemning our British Culture....[/p][/quote]Well I could have not put this or read this any better my friend. I recently spoke about this in a similar context and got called all sorts of foul names on social media for doing so, and that was from some younger cousins of mine who I have yet to meet face to face and thank them in person for. It seems that in todays Britain a very large section of the so called indigenous population are for ever trying to stifle proper 50/50 debate, for them it's thier way or no way and quite honestly the immigrants hardly open thier mouths!... why would they when they already have the work shy lefties waiting in the wings to attack anyone who dare to have a different opinion than thier own. This country is and has been sleep walking into a belief change, rapid culture change, not to mention the education scandal that' s happening all around us. Look at the state of the NHS in Wales for instance, hours and hours waiting in A&E , months and years for hospital appointments and operations, the list is endless! I fear for my children and grandchildrens future here in the U.K. It will not be what my Grand fathers fought and died for that's for sure. Beam me up Mrs Merkel!... taffymark
  • Score: 3

12:28pm Sat 26 Jul 14

taffymark says...

Oh, and if they bring us money let them come!... No thanks, I'll soldier on like I did for five years of service and keep my own culture and lanuage and head on my shoulders thank-you very much!...
Oh, and if they bring us money let them come!... No thanks, I'll soldier on like I did for five years of service and keep my own culture and lanuage and head on my shoulders thank-you very much!... taffymark
  • Score: 3

2:57pm Sat 26 Jul 14

welshmen says...

mkaibear1

You say:
Your racist, xenophobic, intolerant beliefs are what they were fighting against.

I say:
NO, our families fought to keep this Country as the status quo, they loved what they had and didn't want any other race or Country trying to take away their Culture or way of life, those who didn't come back were in-part replaced by members of our Commonwealth who emigrated here in the forties and fifties, these immigrants although with some racial problems settled here.

To day in modern times we have others coming here, hundreds of strange languages and cultures, over populating our small Country, nothing to do with their colour, too many have come here to quick, schools that have English as a second language, changing most parts of our Country, some parts, like our Capitol are unrecognisable to returning visitors, even our Government have realised, also the last stupid Labour Government have said they made a big mistake allowing to many too quick, not waiting for the infrastructure to catch up with demand.

To me you seem the racist, racist against anyone who loves this Country, you call posters racist, when all they are, are British and proud, they love their Country, love their people, no different as citizens from other Countries who love their Country the way it is, all you see is the more that come here the more money for everybody, very narrow minded and selfish.

Asian Immigrants in the North of England have reported to have fought with Roma immigrants, are they racist, is that what you want a civil war in the making, wake up friend have another look around you, try reading some thing different than the Guardian and the Times News Papers....it's not all about money, it's our way of life that needs to be protected for our future and our Grandchildren's future....
mkaibear1 You say: Your racist, xenophobic, intolerant beliefs are what they were fighting against. I say: NO, our families fought to keep this Country as the status quo, they loved what they had and didn't want any other race or Country trying to take away their Culture or way of life, those who didn't come back were in-part replaced by members of our Commonwealth who emigrated here in the forties and fifties, these immigrants although with some racial problems settled here. To day in modern times we have others coming here, hundreds of strange languages and cultures, over populating our small Country, nothing to do with their colour, too many have come here to quick, schools that have English as a second language, changing most parts of our Country, some parts, like our Capitol are unrecognisable to returning visitors, even our Government have realised, also the last stupid Labour Government have said they made a big mistake allowing to many too quick, not waiting for the infrastructure to catch up with demand. To me you seem the racist, racist against anyone who loves this Country, you call posters racist, when all they are, are British and proud, they love their Country, love their people, no different as citizens from other Countries who love their Country the way it is, all you see is the more that come here the more money for everybody, very narrow minded and selfish. Asian Immigrants in the North of England have reported to have fought with Roma immigrants, are they racist, is that what you want a civil war in the making, wake up friend have another look around you, try reading some thing different than the Guardian and the Times News Papers....it's not all about money, it's our way of life that needs to be protected for our future and our Grandchildren's future.... welshmen
  • Score: -6

3:59pm Sat 26 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
So you have decided not to bother answering questions and instead are just trying to be insulting? Good argument, there. Well done.

My family has been UK native for nearly a thousand years, so you can take your "clearly a foreigner" and put it back where it came from.

Our society is a civilised society, where we respect each other and treat each other as human beings not abuse them, diminish them and treat them as less than ourselves. We build people up not slap them down, we make them want to be British not treat them like dirt because they aren't.

It is not people like you who made this country great. It is those who fought and died to defeat those who wanted to put themselves at the top of the tree rather than recognise that all are equal who made our country great. It is those who sacrificed themselves to stop an ideology of hate from consuming our continent who made our country great. It is those who stood up for civilisation, for equality, for freedom, those are who made our country great.

You? You who believe we are inherently superior because of our nationality, who believe we should stop anyone else from sharing our nation because they're not the right sort, who believe that we should not work to share our civilisation with others... You espouse values they would have fought against. How dare you claim responsibility for making this country the place it is today? How DARE you?

You are offensive, you are wrong, and you are everything those heroes fought against. You are a troll and I am going to treat you like one. Good day.
Your third paragraph is right on the button .BUT people like me did make this nation great ,sixteen members of my family fought and died in world war two fighting in North Africa in the arctic in France and Burma. I did my bit in Korea . and yes our society is a civilised society because we made it so, Now we have female genital mutilation, we are breeding terrorists free speech is strangled in race relation law ,girl children are being given old men as brides. Make all people equal you say, by all means, why then do we need legislation to make ethnic's more than equal to indigenous Brits ? is it because they are not as equal as you think they are ? When a welsh university have to teach students how to use a toilet I believe makes the point . No you are not a socialist you are the sort of person that British people have had to fight for centuries to get what we now have and the reason why foreigners want to live here, not because they want to be British but want what we have ,a prosperous and stable society which they are eroding day by day unless of course you think the threat of suicide bombers the killing of soldiers on our streets is what we, our military and ancestors have and are still fighting for ? The reason I said you would be welcome on the labour front bench is because like you they are more than prepared and have destroyed what centuries of struggle
created. If you are a true Brit please see a doctor you are in desperate
need of help .I am sorry you consider me offensive but then people of your ilk tend to make me want to vomit,
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: So you have decided not to bother answering questions and instead are just trying to be insulting? Good argument, there. Well done. My family has been UK native for nearly a thousand years, so you can take your "clearly a foreigner" and put it back where it came from. Our society is a civilised society, where we respect each other and treat each other as human beings not abuse them, diminish them and treat them as less than ourselves. We build people up not slap them down, we make them want to be British not treat them like dirt because they aren't. It is not people like you who made this country great. It is those who fought and died to defeat those who wanted to put themselves at the top of the tree rather than recognise that all are equal who made our country great. It is those who sacrificed themselves to stop an ideology of hate from consuming our continent who made our country great. It is those who stood up for civilisation, for equality, for freedom, those are who made our country great. You? You who believe we are inherently superior because of our nationality, who believe we should stop anyone else from sharing our nation because they're not the right sort, who believe that we should not work to share our civilisation with others... You espouse values they would have fought against. How dare you claim responsibility for making this country the place it is today? How DARE you? You are offensive, you are wrong, and you are everything those heroes fought against. You are a troll and I am going to treat you like one. Good day.[/p][/quote]Your third paragraph is right on the button .BUT people like me did make this nation great ,sixteen members of my family fought and died in world war two fighting in North Africa in the arctic in France and Burma. I did my bit in Korea . and yes our society is a civilised society because we made it so, Now we have female genital mutilation, we are breeding terrorists free speech is strangled in race relation law ,girl children are being given old men as brides. Make all people equal you say, by all means, why then do we need legislation to make ethnic's more than equal to indigenous Brits ? is it because they are not as equal as you think they are ? When a welsh university have to teach students how to use a toilet I believe makes the point . No you are not a socialist you are the sort of person that British people have had to fight for centuries to get what we now have and the reason why foreigners want to live here, not because they want to be British but want what we have ,a prosperous and stable society which they are eroding day by day unless of course you think the threat of suicide bombers the killing of soldiers on our streets is what we, our military and ancestors have and are still fighting for ? The reason I said you would be welcome on the labour front bench is because like you they are more than prepared and have destroyed what centuries of struggle created. If you are a true Brit please see a doctor you are in desperate need of help .I am sorry you consider me offensive but then people of your ilk tend to make me want to vomit, coalpicker
  • Score: 4

4:06pm Sat 26 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
And as for prisoners - assuming your claim that there are 4,000 immigrant prisoners is correct, and immigrants make up 12% of the UK population, you'd expect there to be about 30,000 UK nationals in prison. Given that there are about 81000 UK nationals in prison you are implying that the indigenous population are about two and a half times more likely to break the law than immigrants. Not sure that's a great tack to be taking...
Just read this post ,are you aware my old Quisling that foreigners are now responsible for eighty per cent of all crime being committed in Londonistan .Responding should keep your nimble mind occupied for a while.
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: And as for prisoners - assuming your claim that there are 4,000 immigrant prisoners is correct, and immigrants make up 12% of the UK population, you'd expect there to be about 30,000 UK nationals in prison. Given that there are about 81000 UK nationals in prison you are implying that the indigenous population are about two and a half times more likely to break the law than immigrants. Not sure that's a great tack to be taking...[/p][/quote]Just read this post ,are you aware my old Quisling that foreigners are now responsible for eighty per cent of all crime being committed in Londonistan .Responding should keep your nimble mind occupied for a while. coalpicker
  • Score: 2

7:28pm Sat 26 Jul 14

welshmen says...

mkaibear1: food for thought...From a Right wing Party.....

Given current demographic trends, we, the indigenous British people, will become an ethnic minority in our own country well within sixty years – and most likely sooner.



All the signs are there:

- At least 84 percent – and likely more – of all current UK citizenship applications are from the Third World;
- Fourteen percent of all primary school children do not have English as a mother tongue;
- At least 316 primary schools in England have a large majority of children whose first language is not English;
- Non-indigenous births will soon account for more than half of all the babies born in Britain;
- Over the next twenty five years, immigration will account for forty percent of all new households set up in this country;
- Some 3.7 million legal migrants have entered this country since 1997 – and 2.5 million are from outside the European Union; and
- At least twenty percent of the currently resident population were either born overseas or are descendants of foreign-born parents.

The vast majority of these foreign-born residents are of Third World extraction. According to figures released by the Office for National Statistics, at least eleven percent of all people living in Britain today were born overseas. This figure does not include their second or third generation children.

All these facts point inexorably to the overwhelming and extinguishing of Britain and British identity under a tsunami of immigration. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.

We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.

The British National Party’s policy is to:

- Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;
- Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;
- Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;
- Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;
- Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases;
- Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.

Immigration is out of control. Britain’s population is now over 60 million and rising, solely due to immigration. Not only is Britain increasingly overcrowded, but the fact is that a country is the product of its people and if you change the people you inevitably change the nature of the country.

We want Britain to remain – or return to – the way it has traditionally been. We accept that Britain always will have ethnic minorities and have no problem with this as long as they remain minorities and do not change nor seek to change the fundamental culture and identity of the indigenous peoples of the British Isles.

The current open-door policy and unrestricted, uncontrolled immigration is leading to higher crime rates, demand for more housing (driving prices out of the reach of young people), severe extra strain on the environment, traffic congestion, longer hospital waiting lists, lower educational standards, higher income taxes, lower wages, higher unemployment, loss of British identity, a breakdown in community spirit, more restrictive policing, higher council taxes, a shortage of council homes, higher levels of stress and unhappiness and a more atomised society.

India would not tolerate millions of non-Indians taking over that society. Pakistan would not tolerate millions of Hindus or Christians entering that country and changing it from a Muslim society into something else. Japan would not do it; China would not do it – so why should Britain?

Can anyone imagine Saudi Arabia allowing the mass immigration of Christians, so that in a few decades it would no longer be an Islamic country?

Each nation has the right to maintain its own identity. The right of India to remain Indian, the right of China to remain Chinese, the right of Pakistan to remain Pakistani and the right of Saudi Arabia to remain Saudi does not mean that any of these nations “hate” anybody else.

All it means is that they wish to preserve their identity and national existence.
This is all the British National Party seeks for Britain – the right to be British.
This is not an extreme demand – it is actually just perfectly normal and completely in line with the rights granted to every other nation and with international law.

All the other parties shy away from this issue, because they are the ones who have caused the problem in the first place.

Only the British National Party has the reasonable, sensible, fair and just immigration policy which will guarantee that Britain remains British....
mkaibear1: food for thought...From a Right wing Party..... Given current demographic trends, we, the indigenous British people, will become an ethnic minority in our own country well within sixty years – and most likely sooner. All the signs are there: - At least 84 percent – and likely more – of all current UK citizenship applications are from the Third World; - Fourteen percent of all primary school children do not have English as a mother tongue; - At least 316 primary schools in England have a large majority of children whose first language is not English; - Non-indigenous births will soon account for more than half of all the babies born in Britain; - Over the next twenty five years, immigration will account for forty percent of all new households set up in this country; - Some 3.7 million legal migrants have entered this country since 1997 – and 2.5 million are from outside the European Union; and - At least twenty percent of the currently resident population were either born overseas or are descendants of foreign-born parents. The vast majority of these foreign-born residents are of Third World extraction. According to figures released by the Office for National Statistics, at least eleven percent of all people living in Britain today were born overseas. This figure does not include their second or third generation children. All these facts point inexorably to the overwhelming and extinguishing of Britain and British identity under a tsunami of immigration. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries. The British National Party’s policy is to: - Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally; - Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British; - Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate; - Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently; - Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases; - Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain. Immigration is out of control. Britain’s population is now over 60 million and rising, solely due to immigration. Not only is Britain increasingly overcrowded, but the fact is that a country is the product of its people and if you change the people you inevitably change the nature of the country. We want Britain to remain – or return to – the way it has traditionally been. We accept that Britain always will have ethnic minorities and have no problem with this as long as they remain minorities and do not change nor seek to change the fundamental culture and identity of the indigenous peoples of the British Isles. The current open-door policy and unrestricted, uncontrolled immigration is leading to higher crime rates, demand for more housing (driving prices out of the reach of young people), severe extra strain on the environment, traffic congestion, longer hospital waiting lists, lower educational standards, higher income taxes, lower wages, higher unemployment, loss of British identity, a breakdown in community spirit, more restrictive policing, higher council taxes, a shortage of council homes, higher levels of stress and unhappiness and a more atomised society. India would not tolerate millions of non-Indians taking over that society. Pakistan would not tolerate millions of Hindus or Christians entering that country and changing it from a Muslim society into something else. Japan would not do it; China would not do it – so why should Britain? Can anyone imagine Saudi Arabia allowing the mass immigration of Christians, so that in a few decades it would no longer be an Islamic country? Each nation has the right to maintain its own identity. The right of India to remain Indian, the right of China to remain Chinese, the right of Pakistan to remain Pakistani and the right of Saudi Arabia to remain Saudi does not mean that any of these nations “hate” anybody else. All it means is that they wish to preserve their identity and national existence. This is all the British National Party seeks for Britain – the right to be British. This is not an extreme demand – it is actually just perfectly normal and completely in line with the rights granted to every other nation and with international law. All the other parties shy away from this issue, because they are the ones who have caused the problem in the first place. Only the British National Party has the reasonable, sensible, fair and just immigration policy which will guarantee that Britain remains British.... welshmen
  • Score: -2

10:01pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Bobevans says...

I have a bright idea we have high levels of unemployment an a surplus of unskilled labour would it not be a good idea to bring in millions of unskilled migrants? Only Labour & the PC brigade could think that is sensible
I have a bright idea we have high levels of unemployment an a surplus of unskilled labour would it not be a good idea to bring in millions of unskilled migrants? Only Labour & the PC brigade could think that is sensible Bobevans
  • Score: 3

1:12am Sun 27 Jul 14

Howie' says...

Bobevans wrote:
I have a bright idea we have high levels of unemployment an a surplus of unskilled labour would it not be a good idea to bring in millions of unskilled migrants? Only Labour & the PC brigade could think that is sensible
'I have a bright idea'...............
hahaha, no Bob you don't and after many years of reading your posts I can assure you that it has never happened.

mkaibear1, as a 'Leftie' I can only say 'good posts'.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: I have a bright idea we have high levels of unemployment an a surplus of unskilled labour would it not be a good idea to bring in millions of unskilled migrants? Only Labour & the PC brigade could think that is sensible[/p][/quote]'I have a bright idea'............... hahaha, no Bob you don't and after many years of reading your posts I can assure you that it has never happened. mkaibear1, as a 'Leftie' I can only say 'good posts'. Howie'
  • Score: -1

8:06am Sun 27 Jul 14

Crossbenchtory says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
Oh good grief you're complaining now that you don't get to be racist like you used to? Here's a pointer for you: all those words are diminutives - they are used to make the thing you are referring to smaller, less important, not as good as you. That's why they aren't used by civilised people any more, it's not about political correctness it's about a basic level of respect for other human beings.

Back to the original point: can you please identify for me were I am "left-wing" in my policies? Given that I want to keep my taxes low by spreading the tax base (right-wing), make sure that people currently on benefits are got back to work (right-wing), make sure that we get the most value from our investment in people (not technically right-wing but free market capitalist)...

You claim to be able to identify left wing and right wing but it certainly looks like you've forgotten how.
The only discernible difference between the Labour Party and the Conservative Party is that the Tory's are full of homosexuals pretending to be straight and Labour is full of heterosexuals pretending to be gay.
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: Oh good grief you're complaining now that you don't get to be racist like you used to? Here's a pointer for you: all those words are diminutives - they are used to make the thing you are referring to smaller, less important, not as good as you. That's why they aren't used by civilised people any more, it's not about political correctness it's about a basic level of respect for other human beings. Back to the original point: can you please identify for me were I am "left-wing" in my policies? Given that I want to keep my taxes low by spreading the tax base (right-wing), make sure that people currently on benefits are got back to work (right-wing), make sure that we get the most value from our investment in people (not technically right-wing but free market capitalist)... You claim to be able to identify left wing and right wing but it certainly looks like you've forgotten how.[/p][/quote]The only discernible difference between the Labour Party and the Conservative Party is that the Tory's are full of homosexuals pretending to be straight and Labour is full of heterosexuals pretending to be gay. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: -2

8:28am Sun 27 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

It's curious to note that even creepy Mandelson admitted that they. 'Sent out search parties to get people to come to the UK' and that he now knew that 'this meant it was difficult for traditional Labour supporters to find work'. Why would he say that?
http://www.politics.
ie/forum/united-king
dom/207486-ed-miliba
nd-political-broadca
st-speech-tonight-we
-got-wrong-immigrati
on-15.html
It's curious to note that even creepy Mandelson admitted that they. 'Sent out search parties to get people to come to the UK' and that he now knew that 'this meant it was difficult for traditional Labour supporters to find work'. Why would he say that? http://www.politics. ie/forum/united-king dom/207486-ed-miliba nd-political-broadca st-speech-tonight-we -got-wrong-immigrati on-15.html Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -3

11:16am Sun 27 Jul 14

welshmen says...

Howie' wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
I have a bright idea we have high levels of unemployment an a surplus of unskilled labour would it not be a good idea to bring in millions of unskilled migrants? Only Labour & the PC brigade could think that is sensible
'I have a bright idea'...............

hahaha, no Bob you don't and after many years of reading your posts I can assure you that it has never happened.

mkaibear1, as a 'Leftie' I can only say 'good posts'.
Lord Haw Haw, your hero William Joyce, "this is Howie calling, this is Howie and mkaibear1 calling your Country will have more Immigrants, and we will support this"....

I think your the one who posts nothing but contempt for our Country, you seem to have all the hall marks of another hater of our Country

More than 2,000 foreign families are now living rent-free, official figures show.
The number of eastern Europeans housed by the state has almost tripled over four years.
The figure for all migrants unable to pay their way in the UK has doubled – leaving hard-pressed councils footing a £1.7million-a-month rent bill.
.WoW.
!!!Statistics!!! released by the Department for Communities and Local Government showed that in the first three months of this year councils across England gave emergency homes to 2,080 foreign households.

Eastern Europeans account for 410 of those including 220 Poles.

Nice one Lord Haw Haw, after reading and getting to know most through their posts on here, your's and your new mate are by far the most traitorous I have read, your utter refusal to recognise the danger that our Country faces as a result of yours and the other idiot mkaibear1 to support uncontrolled immigration and a Religion that wants our Country for their 7th Century Culture , what has this Country ever done to you, what have this Country done to deserve you
and the idiot mkaibear1, pro immigration pro EU, pro Islam, shame on the two of you, O and you have the neck to have a pop at Bobby Boy....
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: I have a bright idea we have high levels of unemployment an a surplus of unskilled labour would it not be a good idea to bring in millions of unskilled migrants? Only Labour & the PC brigade could think that is sensible[/p][/quote]'I have a bright idea'............... hahaha, no Bob you don't and after many years of reading your posts I can assure you that it has never happened. mkaibear1, as a 'Leftie' I can only say 'good posts'.[/p][/quote]Lord Haw Haw, your hero William Joyce, "this is Howie calling, this is Howie and mkaibear1 calling your Country will have more Immigrants, and we will support this".... I think your the one who posts nothing but contempt for our Country, you seem to have all the hall marks of another hater of our Country More than 2,000 foreign families are now living rent-free, official figures show. The number of eastern Europeans housed by the state has almost tripled over four years. The figure for all migrants unable to pay their way in the UK has doubled – leaving hard-pressed councils footing a £1.7million-a-month rent bill. .WoW. !!!Statistics!!! released by the Department for Communities and Local Government showed that in the first three months of this year councils across England gave emergency homes to 2,080 foreign households. Eastern Europeans account for 410 of those including 220 Poles. Nice one Lord Haw Haw, after reading and getting to know most through their posts on here, your's and your new mate are by far the most traitorous I have read, your utter refusal to recognise the danger that our Country faces as a result of yours and the other idiot mkaibear1 to support uncontrolled immigration and a Religion that wants our Country for their 7th Century Culture , what has this Country ever done to you, what have this Country done to deserve you and the idiot mkaibear1, pro immigration pro EU, pro Islam, shame on the two of you, O and you have the neck to have a pop at Bobby Boy.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

11:41am Sun 27 Jul 14

Howie' says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
It's curious to note that even creepy Mandelson admitted that they. 'Sent out search parties to get people to come to the UK' and that he now knew that 'this meant it was difficult for traditional Labour supporters to find work'. Why would he say that?
http://www.politics.

ie/forum/united-king

dom/207486-ed-miliba

nd-political-broadca

st-speech-tonight-we

-got-wrong-immigrati

on-15.html
The only point of reference for this story is the Daily Mail which is then quoted in a number of other publications. There is no mention of it on the Progress web site where Mandy made the speech to the Progress Annual Conference.

http://www.progresso
nline.org.uk/event/p
ac13/

or in any of the reports by people who were actually there, e.g

http://labour-uncut.
co.uk/2011/06/23/man
delson-the-great-ret
urner/

and although there were a lot of comments on Twitter feeds at that time about Mandys speech there was no comments about immigration.

Just another Daily Mail BS story.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: It's curious to note that even creepy Mandelson admitted that they. 'Sent out search parties to get people to come to the UK' and that he now knew that 'this meant it was difficult for traditional Labour supporters to find work'. Why would he say that? http://www.politics. ie/forum/united-king dom/207486-ed-miliba nd-political-broadca st-speech-tonight-we -got-wrong-immigrati on-15.html[/p][/quote]The only point of reference for this story is the Daily Mail which is then quoted in a number of other publications. There is no mention of it on the Progress web site where Mandy made the speech to the Progress Annual Conference. http://www.progresso nline.org.uk/event/p ac13/ or in any of the reports by people who were actually there, e.g http://labour-uncut. co.uk/2011/06/23/man delson-the-great-ret urner/ and although there were a lot of comments on Twitter feeds at that time about Mandys speech there was no comments about immigration. Just another Daily Mail BS story. Howie'
  • Score: 0

11:45am Sun 27 Jul 14

Howie' says...

welshmen wrote:
Howie' wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
I have a bright idea we have high levels of unemployment an a surplus of unskilled labour would it not be a good idea to bring in millions of unskilled migrants? Only Labour & the PC brigade could think that is sensible
'I have a bright idea'...............


hahaha, no Bob you don't and after many years of reading your posts I can assure you that it has never happened.

mkaibear1, as a 'Leftie' I can only say 'good posts'.
Lord Haw Haw, your hero William Joyce, "this is Howie calling, this is Howie and mkaibear1 calling your Country will have more Immigrants, and we will support this"....

I think your the one who posts nothing but contempt for our Country, you seem to have all the hall marks of another hater of our Country

More than 2,000 foreign families are now living rent-free, official figures show.
The number of eastern Europeans housed by the state has almost tripled over four years.
The figure for all migrants unable to pay their way in the UK has doubled – leaving hard-pressed councils footing a £1.7million-a-month rent bill.
.WoW.
!!!Statistics!!! released by the Department for Communities and Local Government showed that in the first three months of this year councils across England gave emergency homes to 2,080 foreign households.

Eastern Europeans account for 410 of those including 220 Poles.

Nice one Lord Haw Haw, after reading and getting to know most through their posts on here, your's and your new mate are by far the most traitorous I have read, your utter refusal to recognise the danger that our Country faces as a result of yours and the other idiot mkaibear1 to support uncontrolled immigration and a Religion that wants our Country for their 7th Century Culture , what has this Country ever done to you, what have this Country done to deserve you
and the idiot mkaibear1, pro immigration pro EU, pro Islam, shame on the two of you, O and you have the neck to have a pop at Bobby Boy....
Nice one welshboy, that's brightened up my Sunday morning.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: I have a bright idea we have high levels of unemployment an a surplus of unskilled labour would it not be a good idea to bring in millions of unskilled migrants? Only Labour & the PC brigade could think that is sensible[/p][/quote]'I have a bright idea'............... hahaha, no Bob you don't and after many years of reading your posts I can assure you that it has never happened. mkaibear1, as a 'Leftie' I can only say 'good posts'.[/p][/quote]Lord Haw Haw, your hero William Joyce, "this is Howie calling, this is Howie and mkaibear1 calling your Country will have more Immigrants, and we will support this".... I think your the one who posts nothing but contempt for our Country, you seem to have all the hall marks of another hater of our Country More than 2,000 foreign families are now living rent-free, official figures show. The number of eastern Europeans housed by the state has almost tripled over four years. The figure for all migrants unable to pay their way in the UK has doubled – leaving hard-pressed councils footing a £1.7million-a-month rent bill. .WoW. !!!Statistics!!! released by the Department for Communities and Local Government showed that in the first three months of this year councils across England gave emergency homes to 2,080 foreign households. Eastern Europeans account for 410 of those including 220 Poles. Nice one Lord Haw Haw, after reading and getting to know most through their posts on here, your's and your new mate are by far the most traitorous I have read, your utter refusal to recognise the danger that our Country faces as a result of yours and the other idiot mkaibear1 to support uncontrolled immigration and a Religion that wants our Country for their 7th Century Culture , what has this Country ever done to you, what have this Country done to deserve you and the idiot mkaibear1, pro immigration pro EU, pro Islam, shame on the two of you, O and you have the neck to have a pop at Bobby Boy....[/p][/quote]Nice one welshboy, that's brightened up my Sunday morning. Howie'
  • Score: -1

11:48am Sun 27 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

Ah, ad hominem and no sense, the rank smell of a welshmen post.
Ah, ad hominem and no sense, the rank smell of a welshmen post. mkaibear1
  • Score: 1

1:22pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Howie' wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
It's curious to note that even creepy Mandelson admitted that they. 'Sent out search parties to get people to come to the UK' and that he now knew that 'this meant it was difficult for traditional Labour supporters to find work'. Why would he say that?
http://www.politics.


ie/forum/united-king


dom/207486-ed-miliba


nd-political-broadca


st-speech-tonight-we


-got-wrong-immigrati


on-15.html
The only point of reference for this story is the Daily Mail which is then quoted in a number of other publications. There is no mention of it on the Progress web site where Mandy made the speech to the Progress Annual Conference.

http://www.progresso

nline.org.uk/event/p

ac13/

or in any of the reports by people who were actually there, e.g

http://labour-uncut.

co.uk/2011/06/23/man

delson-the-great-ret

urner/

and although there were a lot of comments on Twitter feeds at that time about Mandys speech there was no comments about immigration.

Just another Daily Mail BS story.
Having re looked at that, you may indeed be right Howie but even using ONS numbers of 4 million, in ten years, two thirds of whom were from outside the EU, if he didn't actually admit to Labour dragging in migrants in unsustainable numbers then he should have.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/n
ews/uk-26972597
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: It's curious to note that even creepy Mandelson admitted that they. 'Sent out search parties to get people to come to the UK' and that he now knew that 'this meant it was difficult for traditional Labour supporters to find work'. Why would he say that? http://www.politics. ie/forum/united-king dom/207486-ed-miliba nd-political-broadca st-speech-tonight-we -got-wrong-immigrati on-15.html[/p][/quote]The only point of reference for this story is the Daily Mail which is then quoted in a number of other publications. There is no mention of it on the Progress web site where Mandy made the speech to the Progress Annual Conference. http://www.progresso nline.org.uk/event/p ac13/ or in any of the reports by people who were actually there, e.g http://labour-uncut. co.uk/2011/06/23/man delson-the-great-ret urner/ and although there were a lot of comments on Twitter feeds at that time about Mandys speech there was no comments about immigration. Just another Daily Mail BS story.[/p][/quote]Having re looked at that, you may indeed be right Howie but even using ONS numbers of 4 million, in ten years, two thirds of whom were from outside the EU, if he didn't actually admit to Labour dragging in migrants in unsustainable numbers then he should have. http://m.bbc.co.uk/n ews/uk-26972597 Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -4

2:20pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

The raw data doesn't lie, it's only when people with an agenda fiddle with it that the truth can be masked.

You don't believe me? Do the research yourself. Don't listen to what other people say, go look at the numbers.

We make money off immigrants. They reduce our tax bill. (even after you take into account any benefits they receive). Fact.
The raw data doesn't lie, it's only when people with an agenda fiddle with it that the truth can be masked. You don't believe me? Do the research yourself. Don't listen to what other people say, go look at the numbers. We make money off immigrants. They reduce our tax bill. (even after you take into account any benefits they receive). Fact. mkaibear1
  • Score: -1

6:56pm Sun 27 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
The raw data doesn't lie, it's only when people with an agenda fiddle with it that the truth can be masked.

You don't believe me? Do the research yourself. Don't listen to what other people say, go look at the numbers.

We make money off immigrants. They reduce our tax bill. (even after you take into account any benefits they receive). Fact.
Not a fact honey bear at least three surveys out of date and I have noticed
your reluctance to respond to my last two posts ,you must have forgotten the bombings, the soldier killing the forced marriages which amount to nothing less than paedophilia, Honour killing adds a touch of Britishness to our society does it not, the sort of thing every country should benefit from including government support for the result of polygamy which is illegal and amounts to bigamy is costing the British tax payer millions.
We must penalise our own so the government can fund the invasion which is drowning us god alone knows how much reintroduced disease
is costing us I am waiting in trepidation for some African to be generous enough to give us Ebola in exchange for a house and benefits
have a good day friend of our destruction .
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: The raw data doesn't lie, it's only when people with an agenda fiddle with it that the truth can be masked. You don't believe me? Do the research yourself. Don't listen to what other people say, go look at the numbers. We make money off immigrants. They reduce our tax bill. (even after you take into account any benefits they receive). Fact.[/p][/quote]Not a fact honey bear at least three surveys out of date and I have noticed your reluctance to respond to my last two posts ,you must have forgotten the bombings, the soldier killing the forced marriages which amount to nothing less than paedophilia, Honour killing adds a touch of Britishness to our society does it not, the sort of thing every country should benefit from including government support for the result of polygamy which is illegal and amounts to bigamy is costing the British tax payer millions. We must penalise our own so the government can fund the invasion which is drowning us god alone knows how much reintroduced disease is costing us I am waiting in trepidation for some African to be generous enough to give us Ebola in exchange for a house and benefits have a good day friend of our destruction . coalpicker
  • Score: 0

7:43pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

Interesting how you've never actually cited your sources for these "three surveys out of date"... Why not share them and then we can assess the actual data not just your synopsis?

As for the rest, I choose not to engage in debate with people who don't have the courtesy to frame their arguments without resorting to ad hominem or one of the other fallacies you tend to embrace.

Should you decide to embrace the cut and thrust of civilised debate and actually use your brain to put forwards arguments rather than insults then I will be more than happy to engage with you.

Until then I will hold onto the internet maxim "Don't feed the Trolls". Have a good evening!
Interesting how you've never actually cited your sources for these "three surveys out of date"... Why not share them and then we can assess the actual data not just your synopsis? As for the rest, I choose not to engage in debate with people who don't have the courtesy to frame their arguments without resorting to ad hominem or one of the other fallacies you tend to embrace. Should you decide to embrace the cut and thrust of civilised debate and actually use your brain to put forwards arguments rather than insults then I will be more than happy to engage with you. Until then I will hold onto the internet maxim "Don't feed the Trolls". Have a good evening! mkaibear1
  • Score: 1

8:52pm Sun 27 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
Interesting how you've never actually cited your sources for these "three surveys out of date"... Why not share them and then we can assess the actual data not just your synopsis?

As for the rest, I choose not to engage in debate with people who don't have the courtesy to frame their arguments without resorting to ad hominem or one of the other fallacies you tend to embrace.

Should you decide to embrace the cut and thrust of civilised debate and actually use your brain to put forwards arguments rather than insults then I will be more than happy to engage with you.

Until then I will hold onto the internet maxim "Don't feed the Trolls". Have a good evening!
YOU ARE FLOUNDERING old steiff as an expression of good will I pray you
never sit stand or ride next to an immigrant with a pound or two of semtex strapped to his/ her body. That's a fallacy I hope YOU never prove
to be true . For the sake of what ever god you think exists please wake up and smell the coffee .
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: Interesting how you've never actually cited your sources for these "three surveys out of date"... Why not share them and then we can assess the actual data not just your synopsis? As for the rest, I choose not to engage in debate with people who don't have the courtesy to frame their arguments without resorting to ad hominem or one of the other fallacies you tend to embrace. Should you decide to embrace the cut and thrust of civilised debate and actually use your brain to put forwards arguments rather than insults then I will be more than happy to engage with you. Until then I will hold onto the internet maxim "Don't feed the Trolls". Have a good evening![/p][/quote]YOU ARE FLOUNDERING old steiff as an expression of good will I pray you never sit stand or ride next to an immigrant with a pound or two of semtex strapped to his/ her body. That's a fallacy I hope YOU never prove to be true . For the sake of what ever god you think exists please wake up and smell the coffee . coalpicker
  • Score: -1

9:05pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

Which bit of "refusing to engage with people who are incapable of civilised debate" did you misunderstand?

Let me spell it out for you: you choose to abuse people who have differing opinions to you rather than try to discuss in a reasonable and rational manner, *I* choose to treat that tactic with the contempt it deserves and choose not to feed the trolls.
Which bit of "refusing to engage with people who are incapable of civilised debate" did you misunderstand? Let me spell it out for you: you choose to abuse people who have differing opinions to you rather than try to discuss in a reasonable and rational manner, *I* choose to treat that tactic with the contempt it deserves and choose not to feed the trolls. mkaibear1
  • Score: 0

2:03am Mon 28 Jul 14

Howie' says...

Welshboy says 'Nice one Lord Haw Haw, after reading and getting to know most through their posts on here, your's and your new mate are by far the most traitorous'

Strange Welshie that you mock me as being a 'Lord Haw Haw' when your comments on here are very similar to the doctrine of Nazi Germany and their politics of Fascism/ National Socialism and yet that is a total anathema to me.

As for being a traitor, well in your mind only Welshie...Can you be a traitor for being pro EU or not anti immigration and not anti any religion in a democratic Country.....only in Welshie's mind methinks.
Welshboy says 'Nice one Lord Haw Haw, after reading and getting to know most through their posts on here, your's and your new mate are by far the most traitorous' Strange Welshie that you mock me as being a 'Lord Haw Haw' when your comments on here are very similar to the doctrine of Nazi Germany and their politics of Fascism/ National Socialism and yet that is a total anathema to me. As for being a traitor, well in your mind only Welshie...Can you be a traitor for being pro EU or not anti immigration and not anti any religion in a democratic Country.....only in Welshie's mind methinks. Howie'
  • Score: -2

9:21am Mon 28 Jul 14

Mervyn James says...

"The only discernible difference between the Labour Party and the Conservative Party is that the Tory's are full of homosexuals pretending to be straight and Labour is full of heterosexuals pretending to be gay."

And neither with a viable policy. Sooner we dump the Westminster Circus, and have own government the better. At least the balls ups will be our own and we can drop the gender and PC issues for good, at least in Wales you are more likely to find welsh people, as averse to London where they cannot find anyone English (Or straight lol), ...
"The only discernible difference between the Labour Party and the Conservative Party is that the Tory's are full of homosexuals pretending to be straight and Labour is full of heterosexuals pretending to be gay." And neither with a viable policy. Sooner we dump the Westminster Circus, and have own government the better. At least the balls ups will be our own and we can drop the gender and PC issues for good, at least in Wales you are more likely to find welsh people, as averse to London where they cannot find anyone English (Or straight lol), ... Mervyn James
  • Score: -2

9:47am Mon 28 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
Which bit of "refusing to engage with people who are incapable of civilised debate" did you misunderstand?

Let me spell it out for you: you choose to abuse people who have differing opinions to you rather than try to discuss in a reasonable and rational manner, *I* choose to treat that tactic with the contempt it deserves and choose not to feed the trolls.
Not abusing you old Ted trying my very best to remove your rose coloured
spec savers. You see I get the impression that you have never seen the
world as it really is, or situations where the next second you could depart this mortal coil , let me assure you Britain is moving rapidly toward hat situation . I now finish this conversation it has become boring.
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: Which bit of "refusing to engage with people who are incapable of civilised debate" did you misunderstand? Let me spell it out for you: you choose to abuse people who have differing opinions to you rather than try to discuss in a reasonable and rational manner, *I* choose to treat that tactic with the contempt it deserves and choose not to feed the trolls.[/p][/quote]Not abusing you old Ted trying my very best to remove your rose coloured spec savers. You see I get the impression that you have never seen the world as it really is, or situations where the next second you could depart this mortal coil , let me assure you Britain is moving rapidly toward hat situation . I now finish this conversation it has become boring. coalpicker
  • Score: 1

3:42pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
Howie' wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
I have a bright idea we have high levels of unemployment an a surplus of unskilled labour would it not be a good idea to bring in millions of unskilled migrants? Only Labour & the PC brigade could think that is sensible
'I have a bright idea'...............


hahaha, no Bob you don't and after many years of reading your posts I can assure you that it has never happened.

mkaibear1, as a 'Leftie' I can only say 'good posts'.
Lord Haw Haw, your hero William Joyce, "this is Howie calling, this is Howie and mkaibear1 calling your Country will have more Immigrants, and we will support this"....

I think your the one who posts nothing but contempt for our Country, you seem to have all the hall marks of another hater of our Country

More than 2,000 foreign families are now living rent-free, official figures show.
The number of eastern Europeans housed by the state has almost tripled over four years.
The figure for all migrants unable to pay their way in the UK has doubled – leaving hard-pressed councils footing a £1.7million-a-month rent bill.
.WoW.
!!!Statistics!!! released by the Department for Communities and Local Government showed that in the first three months of this year councils across England gave emergency homes to 2,080 foreign households.

Eastern Europeans account for 410 of those including 220 Poles.

Nice one Lord Haw Haw, after reading and getting to know most through their posts on here, your's and your new mate are by far the most traitorous I have read, your utter refusal to recognise the danger that our Country faces as a result of yours and the other idiot mkaibear1 to support uncontrolled immigration and a Religion that wants our Country for their 7th Century Culture , what has this Country ever done to you, what have this Country done to deserve you
and the idiot mkaibear1, pro immigration pro EU, pro Islam, shame on the two of you, O and you have the neck to have a pop at Bobby Boy....
Ever question any of Welshmen's rancid, racist rabid views then you are a traitor and a hater.
You either share his Klu Klux Klan views or you are his enemy, and therefore an enemy of this great country. Oh yes, and you are of course a leftie as well.

Welshmen sniffs out Argus stories where he can peddle his racist views, and tries to bully anyone who might question them. His little bootlicker CoalPicker joins in. They throw insults and dodgy made up stats to confuse and wear you down.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: I have a bright idea we have high levels of unemployment an a surplus of unskilled labour would it not be a good idea to bring in millions of unskilled migrants? Only Labour & the PC brigade could think that is sensible[/p][/quote]'I have a bright idea'............... hahaha, no Bob you don't and after many years of reading your posts I can assure you that it has never happened. mkaibear1, as a 'Leftie' I can only say 'good posts'.[/p][/quote]Lord Haw Haw, your hero William Joyce, "this is Howie calling, this is Howie and mkaibear1 calling your Country will have more Immigrants, and we will support this".... I think your the one who posts nothing but contempt for our Country, you seem to have all the hall marks of another hater of our Country More than 2,000 foreign families are now living rent-free, official figures show. The number of eastern Europeans housed by the state has almost tripled over four years. The figure for all migrants unable to pay their way in the UK has doubled – leaving hard-pressed councils footing a £1.7million-a-month rent bill. .WoW. !!!Statistics!!! released by the Department for Communities and Local Government showed that in the first three months of this year councils across England gave emergency homes to 2,080 foreign households. Eastern Europeans account for 410 of those including 220 Poles. Nice one Lord Haw Haw, after reading and getting to know most through their posts on here, your's and your new mate are by far the most traitorous I have read, your utter refusal to recognise the danger that our Country faces as a result of yours and the other idiot mkaibear1 to support uncontrolled immigration and a Religion that wants our Country for their 7th Century Culture , what has this Country ever done to you, what have this Country done to deserve you and the idiot mkaibear1, pro immigration pro EU, pro Islam, shame on the two of you, O and you have the neck to have a pop at Bobby Boy....[/p][/quote]Ever question any of Welshmen's rancid, racist rabid views then you are a traitor and a hater. You either share his Klu Klux Klan views or you are his enemy, and therefore an enemy of this great country. Oh yes, and you are of course a leftie as well. Welshmen sniffs out Argus stories where he can peddle his racist views, and tries to bully anyone who might question them. His little bootlicker CoalPicker joins in. They throw insults and dodgy made up stats to confuse and wear you down. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -1

3:47pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Howie' wrote:
Welshboy says 'Nice one Lord Haw Haw, after reading and getting to know most through their posts on here, your's and your new mate are by far the most traitorous'

Strange Welshie that you mock me as being a 'Lord Haw Haw' when your comments on here are very similar to the doctrine of Nazi Germany and their politics of Fascism/ National Socialism and yet that is a total anathema to me.

As for being a traitor, well in your mind only Welshie...Can you be a traitor for being pro EU or not anti immigration and not anti any religion in a democratic Country.....only in Welshie's mind methinks.
I'm disappointed. Welshmen tells me I'm the most traitorous (whatever that is).
I think he calls everyone that if they don't share his extreme views.
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: Welshboy says 'Nice one Lord Haw Haw, after reading and getting to know most through their posts on here, your's and your new mate are by far the most traitorous' Strange Welshie that you mock me as being a 'Lord Haw Haw' when your comments on here are very similar to the doctrine of Nazi Germany and their politics of Fascism/ National Socialism and yet that is a total anathema to me. As for being a traitor, well in your mind only Welshie...Can you be a traitor for being pro EU or not anti immigration and not anti any religion in a democratic Country.....only in Welshie's mind methinks.[/p][/quote]I'm disappointed. Welshmen tells me I'm the most traitorous (whatever that is). I think he calls everyone that if they don't share his extreme views. jimmytheone2
  • Score: 0

4:45pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

coalpicker wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote:
The raw data doesn't lie, it's only when people with an agenda fiddle with it that the truth can be masked.

You don't believe me? Do the research yourself. Don't listen to what other people say, go look at the numbers.

We make money off immigrants. They reduce our tax bill. (even after you take into account any benefits they receive). Fact.
Not a fact honey bear at least three surveys out of date and I have noticed
your reluctance to respond to my last two posts ,you must have forgotten the bombings, the soldier killing the forced marriages which amount to nothing less than paedophilia, Honour killing adds a touch of Britishness to our society does it not, the sort of thing every country should benefit from including government support for the result of polygamy which is illegal and amounts to bigamy is costing the British tax payer millions.
We must penalise our own so the government can fund the invasion which is drowning us god alone knows how much reintroduced disease
is costing us I am waiting in trepidation for some African to be generous enough to give us Ebola in exchange for a house and benefits
have a good day friend of our destruction .
It's to late, you've caught a disease already. It's rotted your brain and left you incapable of any rational thought. But we knew that was the case even before the medical consultation confirmed it.
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: The raw data doesn't lie, it's only when people with an agenda fiddle with it that the truth can be masked. You don't believe me? Do the research yourself. Don't listen to what other people say, go look at the numbers. We make money off immigrants. They reduce our tax bill. (even after you take into account any benefits they receive). Fact.[/p][/quote]Not a fact honey bear at least three surveys out of date and I have noticed your reluctance to respond to my last two posts ,you must have forgotten the bombings, the soldier killing the forced marriages which amount to nothing less than paedophilia, Honour killing adds a touch of Britishness to our society does it not, the sort of thing every country should benefit from including government support for the result of polygamy which is illegal and amounts to bigamy is costing the British tax payer millions. We must penalise our own so the government can fund the invasion which is drowning us god alone knows how much reintroduced disease is costing us I am waiting in trepidation for some African to be generous enough to give us Ebola in exchange for a house and benefits have a good day friend of our destruction .[/p][/quote]It's to late, you've caught a disease already. It's rotted your brain and left you incapable of any rational thought. But we knew that was the case even before the medical consultation confirmed it. jimmytheone2
  • Score: 0

4:55pm Mon 28 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

Hi KEVIN censoring me again ,Another warning the truths I am writing
are unpalatable to some of your readers ? To close to the bone for some perhaps ?
Hi KEVIN censoring me again ,Another warning the truths I am writing are unpalatable to some of your readers ? To close to the bone for some perhaps ? coalpicker
  • Score: -1

5:02pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

coalpicker wrote:
Hi KEVIN censoring me again ,Another warning the truths I am writing
are unpalatable to some of your readers ? To close to the bone for some perhaps ?
Not 'unpalatable', just obnoxious and offensive.
You're a racist, plain and simple.
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: Hi KEVIN censoring me again ,Another warning the truths I am writing are unpalatable to some of your readers ? To close to the bone for some perhaps ?[/p][/quote]Not 'unpalatable', just obnoxious and offensive. You're a racist, plain and simple. jimmytheone2
  • Score: 1

7:50pm Mon 28 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
coalpicker wrote:
Hi KEVIN censoring me again ,Another warning the truths I am writing
are unpalatable to some of your readers ? To close to the bone for some perhaps ?
Not 'unpalatable', just obnoxious and offensive.
You're a racist, plain and simple.
Hello there James old son I love uncovering Quislings , YOU must either be deaf or blind. to deny what is staring you in the face. What was it Kipling said ,If you can hear the words you have spoken twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools ,Perceptive old guy was he not. Obnoxious offensive and racist ,please educate me by explaining any of my factual posts which fill any of your accusations ? You clearly are typified in another of Kipling's truism's It's Tommy this and Tommy that
and please to get behind BUT when there's trouble in the wind when there is trouble in the wind its please to go in front Sir co's there's trouble in the wind. I await proof of your defamatory statement .
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: Hi KEVIN censoring me again ,Another warning the truths I am writing are unpalatable to some of your readers ? To close to the bone for some perhaps ?[/p][/quote]Not 'unpalatable', just obnoxious and offensive. You're a racist, plain and simple.[/p][/quote]Hello there James old son I love uncovering Quislings , YOU must either be deaf or blind. to deny what is staring you in the face. What was it Kipling said ,If you can hear the words you have spoken twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools ,Perceptive old guy was he not. Obnoxious offensive and racist ,please educate me by explaining any of my factual posts which fill any of your accusations ? You clearly are typified in another of Kipling's truism's It's Tommy this and Tommy that and please to get behind BUT when there's trouble in the wind when there is trouble in the wind its please to go in front Sir co's there's trouble in the wind. I await proof of your defamatory statement . coalpicker
  • Score: -2

8:14pm Mon 28 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

Simple defence against defamation is truth so;

Racist: you complained earlier in the thread about not being able to use racist words any more. A reasonable person (the standard of proof required for a defamation defence) would conclude that you are thence racist.

Offensive: all that is required is for you to have offended someone, which you have.

Obnoxious: a reasonable person would find a racist post obnoxious.

Three allegations, three proofs. A thoroughly poor effort at claiming moral high ground. Back to the gutter where your tactics and debating style came from.
Simple defence against defamation is truth so; Racist: you complained earlier in the thread about not being able to use racist words any more. A reasonable person (the standard of proof required for a defamation defence) would conclude that you are thence racist. Offensive: all that is required is for you to have offended someone, which you have. Obnoxious: a reasonable person would find a racist post obnoxious. Three allegations, three proofs. A thoroughly poor effort at claiming moral high ground. Back to the gutter where your tactics and debating style came from. mkaibear1
  • Score: 0

9:55pm Mon 28 Jul 14

welshmen says...

THE SOUTH WALES ARGUS POSTERS....

THREE CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS....THE YELLOW BACKED RACE CARD BRIGADE....

THEY WHO WOULD RATHER SIT ON THEIR BACKSIDE IN JAIL THAN FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY AND CULTURE, READY TO GIVE IT UP TO ANYONE, AS LONG AS THEY STILL CAN USE THE IMMIGRANT TO MAKE THEIR MONEY OFF...

JIMMEYYELLOWBELLY2 outed by the UAF, couldn't back them up when the going got tough, wore out a pair of nikes running away from a face to face....

HOWEI....just dreams of Maggy and owning a dog....sipping a bottle of red...Just pro immigration no matter what, as long as the British taxpayer picks up the tab....

MKAIBEAR..0 like's making money off immigrants, as long as we keep paying for their benefits he'll keep paying them less....got them making Burka's, likes to corner the market, has his fingers in many other peoples pies in the EU pro EU, CHEAP LABOUR his holy grail....

The three of them like to sit in their ivory towers, but only just for now.....tic toc tic toc....
THE SOUTH WALES ARGUS POSTERS.... THREE CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS....THE YELLOW BACKED RACE CARD BRIGADE.... THEY WHO WOULD RATHER SIT ON THEIR BACKSIDE IN JAIL THAN FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY AND CULTURE, READY TO GIVE IT UP TO ANYONE, AS LONG AS THEY STILL CAN USE THE IMMIGRANT TO MAKE THEIR MONEY OFF... JIMMEYYELLOWBELLY2 outed by the UAF, couldn't back them up when the going got tough, wore out a pair of nikes running away from a face to face.... HOWEI....just dreams of Maggy and owning a dog....sipping a bottle of red...Just pro immigration no matter what, as long as the British taxpayer picks up the tab.... MKAIBEAR..0 like's making money off immigrants, as long as we keep paying for their benefits he'll keep paying them less....got them making Burka's, likes to corner the market, has his fingers in many other peoples pies in the EU pro EU, CHEAP LABOUR his holy grail.... The three of them like to sit in their ivory towers, but only just for now.....tic toc tic toc.... welshmen
  • Score: -2

10:52pm Mon 28 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
Simple defence against defamation is truth so;

Racist: you complained earlier in the thread about not being able to use racist words any more. A reasonable person (the standard of proof required for a defamation defence) would conclude that you are thence racist.

Offensive: all that is required is for you to have offended someone, which you have.

Obnoxious: a reasonable person would find a racist post obnoxious.

Three allegations, three proofs. A thoroughly poor effort at claiming moral high ground. Back to the gutter where your tactics and debating style came from.
Come on Honey bear be specific , James a friend of yours ? or are you running two threads . Where did I say I could not use racist words anymore ?Offending some one you mean like Jeremy Clarkson using
the word slope , an English word meaning inclination My farther worked in a mine called Kay's slope, racist ? Obnoxious, I consider paedophiles Obnoxious and Homo sexual paedophiles obnoxious vermin , What I would do with them does not bare thinking about, but bye the bye, again , be specific so that I can have your guts for garters
along with your fellow Quisling .
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: Simple defence against defamation is truth so; Racist: you complained earlier in the thread about not being able to use racist words any more. A reasonable person (the standard of proof required for a defamation defence) would conclude that you are thence racist. Offensive: all that is required is for you to have offended someone, which you have. Obnoxious: a reasonable person would find a racist post obnoxious. Three allegations, three proofs. A thoroughly poor effort at claiming moral high ground. Back to the gutter where your tactics and debating style came from.[/p][/quote]Come on Honey bear be specific , James a friend of yours ? or are you running two threads . Where did I say I could not use racist words anymore ?Offending some one you mean like Jeremy Clarkson using the word slope , an English word meaning inclination My farther worked in a mine called Kay's slope, racist ? Obnoxious, I consider paedophiles Obnoxious and Homo sexual paedophiles obnoxious vermin , What I would do with them does not bare thinking about, but bye the bye, again , be specific so that I can have your guts for garters along with your fellow Quisling . coalpicker
  • Score: -2

11:09pm Mon 28 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
THE SOUTH WALES ARGUS POSTERS....

THREE CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS....THE YELLOW BACKED RACE CARD BRIGADE....

THEY WHO WOULD RATHER SIT ON THEIR BACKSIDE IN JAIL THAN FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY AND CULTURE, READY TO GIVE IT UP TO ANYONE, AS LONG AS THEY STILL CAN USE THE IMMIGRANT TO MAKE THEIR MONEY OFF...

JIMMEYYELLOWBELLY2 outed by the UAF, couldn't back them up when the going got tough, wore out a pair of nikes running away from a face to face....

HOWEI....just dreams of Maggy and owning a dog....sipping a bottle of red...Just pro immigration no matter what, as long as the British taxpayer picks up the tab....

MKAIBEAR..0 like's making money off immigrants, as long as we keep paying for their benefits he'll keep paying them less....got them making Burka's, likes to corner the market, has his fingers in many other peoples pies in the EU pro EU, CHEAP LABOUR his holy grail....

The three of them like to sit in their ivory towers, but only just for now.....tic toc tic toc....
You need help. Where do you get this crap from? Grow up and stop talking nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: THE SOUTH WALES ARGUS POSTERS.... THREE CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS....THE YELLOW BACKED RACE CARD BRIGADE.... THEY WHO WOULD RATHER SIT ON THEIR BACKSIDE IN JAIL THAN FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY AND CULTURE, READY TO GIVE IT UP TO ANYONE, AS LONG AS THEY STILL CAN USE THE IMMIGRANT TO MAKE THEIR MONEY OFF... JIMMEYYELLOWBELLY2 outed by the UAF, couldn't back them up when the going got tough, wore out a pair of nikes running away from a face to face.... HOWEI....just dreams of Maggy and owning a dog....sipping a bottle of red...Just pro immigration no matter what, as long as the British taxpayer picks up the tab.... MKAIBEAR..0 like's making money off immigrants, as long as we keep paying for their benefits he'll keep paying them less....got them making Burka's, likes to corner the market, has his fingers in many other peoples pies in the EU pro EU, CHEAP LABOUR his holy grail.... The three of them like to sit in their ivory towers, but only just for now.....tic toc tic toc....[/p][/quote]You need help. Where do you get this crap from? Grow up and stop talking nonsense. jimmytheone2
  • Score: 4

7:15am Tue 29 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

You complained about not being allowed to use racist words, a post which has been deleted by moderators... for using racist words (rather proving the point)

Keep trying to claim the high ground, it's funny watching you splutter and continually fail.
You complained about not being allowed to use racist words, a post which has been deleted by moderators... for using racist words (rather proving the point) Keep trying to claim the high ground, it's funny watching you splutter and continually fail. mkaibear1
  • Score: 1

8:48am Tue 29 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
You complained about not being allowed to use racist words, a post which has been deleted by moderators... for using racist words (rather proving the point)

Keep trying to claim the high ground, it's funny watching you splutter and continually fail.
You have been at the curry again haven't you ? eat a milder one ,the smell is getting worse. Now what do you not understand about (show me the post where I have made a racist comment ) I will be generous, I understand it is difficult to see when your Turban slips over your eyes.
A tip ,wear a base ball cap ,much better.
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: You complained about not being allowed to use racist words, a post which has been deleted by moderators... for using racist words (rather proving the point) Keep trying to claim the high ground, it's funny watching you splutter and continually fail.[/p][/quote]You have been at the curry again haven't you ? eat a milder one ,the smell is getting worse. Now what do you not understand about (show me the post where I have made a racist comment ) I will be generous, I understand it is difficult to see when your Turban slips over your eyes. A tip ,wear a base ball cap ,much better. coalpicker
  • Score: -1

9:12am Tue 29 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

>show me the post where I have made a racist comment

Interesting. This is a new tactic from you, to have a post deleted for racist content and then use the fact that it's no longer there to claim you never wrote it.

Unfortunately for you I was e-mailed when you posted your racist post so I have a timestamp - it was at 7:52am on 26/07/2014. In it you complained several times about how you could no longer use a variety of racist terms.

Since it's been deleted *for containing racist language* it's specious to claim that you are not racist. Never mind, eh? I'd say "nice try", except it was an extremely poor attempt even by your standards. Have another go? I'm enjoying watching you fail to justify yourself. I think I'm going to submit this to the people running the "how not to debate on the internet" message board.
>show me the post where I have made a racist comment Interesting. This is a new tactic from you, to have a post deleted for racist content and then use the fact that it's no longer there to claim you never wrote it. Unfortunately for you I was e-mailed when you posted your racist post so I have a timestamp - it was at 7:52am on 26/07/2014. In it you complained several times about how you could no longer use a variety of racist terms. Since it's been deleted *for containing racist language* it's specious to claim that you are not racist. Never mind, eh? I'd say "nice try", except it was an extremely poor attempt even by your standards. Have another go? I'm enjoying watching you fail to justify yourself. I think I'm going to submit this to the people running the "how not to debate on the internet" message board. mkaibear1
  • Score: 2

11:22am Tue 29 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
>show me the post where I have made a racist comment

Interesting. This is a new tactic from you, to have a post deleted for racist content and then use the fact that it's no longer there to claim you never wrote it.

Unfortunately for you I was e-mailed when you posted your racist post so I have a timestamp - it was at 7:52am on 26/07/2014. In it you complained several times about how you could no longer use a variety of racist terms.

Since it's been deleted *for containing racist language* it's specious to claim that you are not racist. Never mind, eh? I'd say "nice try", except it was an extremely poor attempt even by your standards. Have another go? I'm enjoying watching you fail to justify yourself. I think I'm going to submit this to the people running the "how not to debate on the internet" message board.
YOU probably were not in the uk when the TV programme satchy and hutch was playing, I think that's how it was spelt but there was a character on that show called Huggi Bear why when I am responding to you I see this guy in front of me I do not know. Are you suggesting that the descriptive term Negro is racist then by the same token the descriptive term Caucasian is also racist , with great respect that is the thought process of some one with mental problems . You and your fellow British hater's should turn your racist rancour toward the Prime Minister he is now declaring measures to curb the scrounging
and in to many cases thieving immigrants entering our country ,by your
standards of mental constipation he has got to be racist . I do not have to justify myself ,in one of the surveys you are continually quoting seventy percent of the British people agree and think exactly as I do.
You and the rest of the politically correct mental defectives should watch the AL Jazeera TV station they are broadcasting what conditions will become in the UK within thirty years, forgive me that's what you want isn't it . Huggi Bear.
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: >show me the post where I have made a racist comment Interesting. This is a new tactic from you, to have a post deleted for racist content and then use the fact that it's no longer there to claim you never wrote it. Unfortunately for you I was e-mailed when you posted your racist post so I have a timestamp - it was at 7:52am on 26/07/2014. In it you complained several times about how you could no longer use a variety of racist terms. Since it's been deleted *for containing racist language* it's specious to claim that you are not racist. Never mind, eh? I'd say "nice try", except it was an extremely poor attempt even by your standards. Have another go? I'm enjoying watching you fail to justify yourself. I think I'm going to submit this to the people running the "how not to debate on the internet" message board.[/p][/quote]YOU probably were not in the uk when the TV programme satchy and hutch was playing, I think that's how it was spelt but there was a character on that show called Huggi Bear why when I am responding to you I see this guy in front of me I do not know. Are you suggesting that the descriptive term Negro is racist then by the same token the descriptive term Caucasian is also racist , with great respect that is the thought process of some one with mental problems . You and your fellow British hater's should turn your racist rancour toward the Prime Minister he is now declaring measures to curb the scrounging and in to many cases thieving immigrants entering our country ,by your standards of mental constipation he has got to be racist . I do not have to justify myself ,in one of the surveys you are continually quoting seventy percent of the British people agree and think exactly as I do. You and the rest of the politically correct mental defectives should watch the AL Jazeera TV station they are broadcasting what conditions will become in the UK within thirty years, forgive me that's what you want isn't it . Huggi Bear. coalpicker
  • Score: 1

12:07pm Tue 29 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

So, you're admitting that you put a post up at 7:52am on 26/07/2014 and that it contained racist language which was removed? You *are* capable of realising you're on a hiding to nothing! Who would have thought it?

>descriptive term

Unfortunately the Oxford English Dictionary characterises that word as as "out of date or even offensive". Even the words you think aren't racist and merely descriptive are borderline... Keep trying though! Eventually, who knows, you might hit upon a cogent and reasoned debating style rather than the current "vomit on your keyboard" métier.
So, you're admitting that you put a post up at 7:52am on 26/07/2014 and that it contained racist language which was removed? You *are* capable of realising you're on a hiding to nothing! Who would have thought it? >descriptive term Unfortunately the Oxford English Dictionary characterises that word as as "out of date or even offensive". Even the words you think aren't racist and merely descriptive are borderline... Keep trying though! Eventually, who knows, you might hit upon a cogent and reasoned debating style rather than the current "vomit on your keyboard" métier. mkaibear1
  • Score: 2

12:58pm Tue 29 Jul 14

myopinion1988 says...

are they actually going ahead with this?
are they actually going ahead with this? myopinion1988
  • Score: 0

2:28pm Tue 29 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
So, you're admitting that you put a post up at 7:52am on 26/07/2014 and that it contained racist language which was removed? You *are* capable of realising you're on a hiding to nothing! Who would have thought it?

>descriptive term

Unfortunately the Oxford English Dictionary characterises that word as as "out of date or even offensive". Even the words you think aren't racist and merely descriptive are borderline... Keep trying though! Eventually, who knows, you might hit upon a cogent and reasoned debating style rather than the current "vomit on your keyboard" métier.
Hi Huggi Bear, I can not deny any of my posts nor do I wish to deny truth
I have spoken which is undoubtedly being twisted by a politically correct
fool to suit a misguided racist agenda. So you are saying descriptive terms such as INUIT, SLAV, NEGRO AND CAUCASION by some convoluted
thinking is racist ? So by your measure if I said a rat was Black or that it was white or indeed it was Black and white that would be a racist statement ?, a positive statement of fact cannot be changed a fact is a fact a Black man is a Negro a white man a Caucasian nothing racist simply a fact characterizing type of human being it is only people like yourself who are causing conflict by demonising reality. I could not care
less if a man was black yellow or blue so long as he lives by our law and
custom does not insult us wanting his law and custom to be imposed upon us ,unfortunately our politicians by placating PC clowns like your self are driving us into a very dangerous future ,the Argus by bowing to
your poisonous racist clap trap is helping to accelerate the process .
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: So, you're admitting that you put a post up at 7:52am on 26/07/2014 and that it contained racist language which was removed? You *are* capable of realising you're on a hiding to nothing! Who would have thought it? >descriptive term Unfortunately the Oxford English Dictionary characterises that word as as "out of date or even offensive". Even the words you think aren't racist and merely descriptive are borderline... Keep trying though! Eventually, who knows, you might hit upon a cogent and reasoned debating style rather than the current "vomit on your keyboard" métier.[/p][/quote]Hi Huggi Bear, I can not deny any of my posts nor do I wish to deny truth I have spoken which is undoubtedly being twisted by a politically correct fool to suit a misguided racist agenda. So you are saying descriptive terms such as INUIT, SLAV, NEGRO AND CAUCASION by some convoluted thinking is racist ? So by your measure if I said a rat was Black or that it was white or indeed it was Black and white that would be a racist statement ?, a positive statement of fact cannot be changed a fact is a fact a Black man is a Negro a white man a Caucasian nothing racist simply a fact characterizing type of human being it is only people like yourself who are causing conflict by demonising reality. I could not care less if a man was black yellow or blue so long as he lives by our law and custom does not insult us wanting his law and custom to be imposed upon us ,unfortunately our politicians by placating PC clowns like your self are driving us into a very dangerous future ,the Argus by bowing to your poisonous racist clap trap is helping to accelerate the process . coalpicker
  • Score: 1

3:06pm Tue 29 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

Oh dear, coaly, you're failing at this basic "reading" lark again.

It is not I who says that the word is offensive but the Oxford English Dictionary. I suggest you address your complaints to them.

>I can not deny any of my posts nor do I wish to deny truth I have spoken

...er, you denied that you had used a racially offensive term, and you denied you had posted a post containing racially offensive language. Have you forgotten? It was only a few hours ago.

>so long as he lives by our law and custom

Our law and custom allows for people to have cultural and religious freedom. You want that to be taken away from them - *you* want the law and custom changed to suit yourself.

You are exactly as bad as any fundamentalist Muslim who wants to impose Sharia law on the UK, as any fundamentalist Christian who wants to force everyone to obey their particular moral code, as any fundamentalist atheist who wants to have all religions banned in the UK.

You cannot on the one hand claim to be the upholder of British law and custom, and on the other claim that it's right to take away the rights which British subjects have in our society. It's profoundly illogical.
Oh dear, coaly, you're failing at this basic "reading" lark again. It is not I who says that the word is offensive but the Oxford English Dictionary. I suggest you address your complaints to them. >I can not deny any of my posts nor do I wish to deny truth I have spoken ...er, you denied that you had used a racially offensive term, and you denied you had posted a post containing racially offensive language. Have you forgotten? It was only a few hours ago. >so long as he lives by our law and custom Our law and custom allows for people to have cultural and religious freedom. You want that to be taken away from them - *you* want the law and custom changed to suit yourself. You are exactly as bad as any fundamentalist Muslim who wants to impose Sharia law on the UK, as any fundamentalist Christian who wants to force everyone to obey their particular moral code, as any fundamentalist atheist who wants to have all religions banned in the UK. You cannot on the one hand claim to be the upholder of British law and custom, and on the other claim that it's right to take away the rights which British subjects have in our society. It's profoundly illogical. mkaibear1
  • Score: 2

7:48pm Tue 29 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

coalpicker wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote:
So, you're admitting that you put a post up at 7:52am on 26/07/2014 and that it contained racist language which was removed? You *are* capable of realising you're on a hiding to nothing! Who would have thought it?

>descriptive term

Unfortunately the Oxford English Dictionary characterises that word as as "out of date or even offensive". Even the words you think aren't racist and merely descriptive are borderline... Keep trying though! Eventually, who knows, you might hit upon a cogent and reasoned debating style rather than the current "vomit on your keyboard" métier.
Hi Huggi Bear, I can not deny any of my posts nor do I wish to deny truth
I have spoken which is undoubtedly being twisted by a politically correct
fool to suit a misguided racist agenda. So you are saying descriptive terms such as INUIT, SLAV, NEGRO AND CAUCASION by some convoluted
thinking is racist ? So by your measure if I said a rat was Black or that it was white or indeed it was Black and white that would be a racist statement ?, a positive statement of fact cannot be changed a fact is a fact a Black man is a Negro a white man a Caucasian nothing racist simply a fact characterizing type of human being it is only people like yourself who are causing conflict by demonising reality. I could not care
less if a man was black yellow or blue so long as he lives by our law and
custom does not insult us wanting his law and custom to be imposed upon us ,unfortunately our politicians by placating PC clowns like your self are driving us into a very dangerous future ,the Argus by bowing to
your poisonous racist clap trap is helping to accelerate the process .
What a child you are.
I'm listening to the argument of a 2 year old - and a not particularly bright 2 year old who hasn't learnt what's right and wrong. You come from a racist family who taught you to act like that - or did you learn that all by yourself bright boy?
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: So, you're admitting that you put a post up at 7:52am on 26/07/2014 and that it contained racist language which was removed? You *are* capable of realising you're on a hiding to nothing! Who would have thought it? >descriptive term Unfortunately the Oxford English Dictionary characterises that word as as "out of date or even offensive". Even the words you think aren't racist and merely descriptive are borderline... Keep trying though! Eventually, who knows, you might hit upon a cogent and reasoned debating style rather than the current "vomit on your keyboard" métier.[/p][/quote]Hi Huggi Bear, I can not deny any of my posts nor do I wish to deny truth I have spoken which is undoubtedly being twisted by a politically correct fool to suit a misguided racist agenda. So you are saying descriptive terms such as INUIT, SLAV, NEGRO AND CAUCASION by some convoluted thinking is racist ? So by your measure if I said a rat was Black or that it was white or indeed it was Black and white that would be a racist statement ?, a positive statement of fact cannot be changed a fact is a fact a Black man is a Negro a white man a Caucasian nothing racist simply a fact characterizing type of human being it is only people like yourself who are causing conflict by demonising reality. I could not care less if a man was black yellow or blue so long as he lives by our law and custom does not insult us wanting his law and custom to be imposed upon us ,unfortunately our politicians by placating PC clowns like your self are driving us into a very dangerous future ,the Argus by bowing to your poisonous racist clap trap is helping to accelerate the process .[/p][/quote]What a child you are. I'm listening to the argument of a 2 year old - and a not particularly bright 2 year old who hasn't learnt what's right and wrong. You come from a racist family who taught you to act like that - or did you learn that all by yourself bright boy? jimmytheone2
  • Score: 0

7:26am Wed 30 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
coalpicker wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote:
So, you're admitting that you put a post up at 7:52am on 26/07/2014 and that it contained racist language which was removed? You *are* capable of realising you're on a hiding to nothing! Who would have thought it?

>descriptive term

Unfortunately the Oxford English Dictionary characterises that word as as "out of date or even offensive". Even the words you think aren't racist and merely descriptive are borderline... Keep trying though! Eventually, who knows, you might hit upon a cogent and reasoned debating style rather than the current "vomit on your keyboard" métier.
Hi Huggi Bear, I can not deny any of my posts nor do I wish to deny truth
I have spoken which is undoubtedly being twisted by a politically correct
fool to suit a misguided racist agenda. So you are saying descriptive terms such as INUIT, SLAV, NEGRO AND CAUCASION by some convoluted
thinking is racist ? So by your measure if I said a rat was Black or that it was white or indeed it was Black and white that would be a racist statement ?, a positive statement of fact cannot be changed a fact is a fact a Black man is a Negro a white man a Caucasian nothing racist simply a fact characterizing type of human being it is only people like yourself who are causing conflict by demonising reality. I could not care
less if a man was black yellow or blue so long as he lives by our law and
custom does not insult us wanting his law and custom to be imposed upon us ,unfortunately our politicians by placating PC clowns like your self are driving us into a very dangerous future ,the Argus by bowing to
your poisonous racist clap trap is helping to accelerate the process .
What a child you are.
I'm listening to the argument of a 2 year old - and a not particularly bright 2 year old who hasn't learnt what's right and wrong. You come from a racist family who taught you to act like that - or did you learn that all by yourself bright boy?
Hi James I wondered when you would pop out of the wood pile . At least the other racist, shambling Huggi Bear has a thread of intellect running through his developing brain . But thank you for the compliment ,there is a British adage ,Out of the Mouths of Babes and Suckling's ,you wouldn't understand that would you ?
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: So, you're admitting that you put a post up at 7:52am on 26/07/2014 and that it contained racist language which was removed? You *are* capable of realising you're on a hiding to nothing! Who would have thought it? >descriptive term Unfortunately the Oxford English Dictionary characterises that word as as "out of date or even offensive". Even the words you think aren't racist and merely descriptive are borderline... Keep trying though! Eventually, who knows, you might hit upon a cogent and reasoned debating style rather than the current "vomit on your keyboard" métier.[/p][/quote]Hi Huggi Bear, I can not deny any of my posts nor do I wish to deny truth I have spoken which is undoubtedly being twisted by a politically correct fool to suit a misguided racist agenda. So you are saying descriptive terms such as INUIT, SLAV, NEGRO AND CAUCASION by some convoluted thinking is racist ? So by your measure if I said a rat was Black or that it was white or indeed it was Black and white that would be a racist statement ?, a positive statement of fact cannot be changed a fact is a fact a Black man is a Negro a white man a Caucasian nothing racist simply a fact characterizing type of human being it is only people like yourself who are causing conflict by demonising reality. I could not care less if a man was black yellow or blue so long as he lives by our law and custom does not insult us wanting his law and custom to be imposed upon us ,unfortunately our politicians by placating PC clowns like your self are driving us into a very dangerous future ,the Argus by bowing to your poisonous racist clap trap is helping to accelerate the process .[/p][/quote]What a child you are. I'm listening to the argument of a 2 year old - and a not particularly bright 2 year old who hasn't learnt what's right and wrong. You come from a racist family who taught you to act like that - or did you learn that all by yourself bright boy?[/p][/quote]Hi James I wondered when you would pop out of the wood pile . At least the other racist, shambling Huggi Bear has a thread of intellect running through his developing brain . But thank you for the compliment ,there is a British adage ,Out of the Mouths of Babes and Suckling's ,you wouldn't understand that would you ? coalpicker
  • Score: -1

7:50am Wed 30 Jul 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
mkaibear1

You really like the lefts agenda not the right, Some schools where kids have to eat Halal meat, Britain's 40% surge in ethnic numbers, 4000 foreign murders and rapists we can't throw out, every 4 minutes a migrant is arrested, headlines like this show just how over run we are with Immigrants, your quite prepared to have Immigrants from anywhere, I would shut the doors stop all immigration until all our out of work are employed, with respect are you walking around with white stick and a nice Labrador.

As for you comment 1066 and all that crap isn't anything to do with today, British is a Christian white based culture and has been for hundreds of years and still is, and according to the UN charter The Indigenous People of that Country have the Right to be the Majority, but with the hoards of Immigrants coming here it has started to change our Countries Culture for the worse, councils around the country are paying £1.7 million monthly for housing immigrants, more than 2000 foreign families are living here rent free, RENT FREE....

UKIP I hope will get our country out of the EU ASAP, you can go and live with your mates in the EU if that's where your Business is, as to our pensioners in foreign lands, They pay their way, pay for medical treatment and spend their pensions in that Country unlike your lefty agenda with immigrants, £billions are sent our of the Country year on year, child benefit paid to immigrant kids who don't even live here, your wrong and so are millions like you, our Countries population is over 64.1 million, 2013 26.5 % of British Births are to foreign born mothers that's up from 25.9% for 2012, you might like to be a minority in our Country like the rest of the left, I don't and millions of Britons don't either....
Nah, I think lefties are naive and don't understand how things work in the real world, just as I do the racists and xenophobes who think we should close our borders and huddle in a corner until the economy goes down the tubes around us.

Bring 'em in, let 'em work, make 'em pay. That's what this country was *built* on.

Just because you can't be bothered to do the maths and work out what's best for our economy doesn't mean I'm willing to have the increased tax burden from your apathy. Taxes should be reduced as low as possible and getting rid of immigrants will make it *worse*.

Yes, even with paying for "housing immigrants". Even with the dodgy "child benefit" scams (aka council officials not doing their jobs properly). Even with all the money we send out of this country, even with all the money we spend on them we are *MAKING MONEY OUT OF THEM*

How hard is this to understand?

The figures are all freely available. It's a simple costs-versus-benefit

s calculation. Anyone who calls themselves right-wing should be able to work this out.
Why are you branding people who are concerned about the direction our Country is taking, as racists and xenophobes?
I presume that you are happy with the islamification by the back door policy of the Muslim community and the loss of our traditional way of life?
I presume also, that you are happy with the radicalisation practiced in the schools of these communities and their desire not to become part of OUR society?
It is not about race, it is about the systematic change that is occurring in this Country that is concerning and potentially dangerous for future generations.
If you choose to ignore this, then you will do so at your peril.
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: mkaibear1 You really like the lefts agenda not the right, Some schools where kids have to eat Halal meat, Britain's 40% surge in ethnic numbers, 4000 foreign murders and rapists we can't throw out, every 4 minutes a migrant is arrested, headlines like this show just how over run we are with Immigrants, your quite prepared to have Immigrants from anywhere, I would shut the doors stop all immigration until all our out of work are employed, with respect are you walking around with white stick and a nice Labrador. As for you comment 1066 and all that crap isn't anything to do with today, British is a Christian white based culture and has been for hundreds of years and still is, and according to the UN charter The Indigenous People of that Country have the Right to be the Majority, but with the hoards of Immigrants coming here it has started to change our Countries Culture for the worse, councils around the country are paying £1.7 million monthly for housing immigrants, more than 2000 foreign families are living here rent free, RENT FREE.... UKIP I hope will get our country out of the EU ASAP, you can go and live with your mates in the EU if that's where your Business is, as to our pensioners in foreign lands, They pay their way, pay for medical treatment and spend their pensions in that Country unlike your lefty agenda with immigrants, £billions are sent our of the Country year on year, child benefit paid to immigrant kids who don't even live here, your wrong and so are millions like you, our Countries population is over 64.1 million, 2013 26.5 % of British Births are to foreign born mothers that's up from 25.9% for 2012, you might like to be a minority in our Country like the rest of the left, I don't and millions of Britons don't either....[/p][/quote]Nah, I think lefties are naive and don't understand how things work in the real world, just as I do the racists and xenophobes who think we should close our borders and huddle in a corner until the economy goes down the tubes around us. Bring 'em in, let 'em work, make 'em pay. That's what this country was *built* on. Just because you can't be bothered to do the maths and work out what's best for our economy doesn't mean I'm willing to have the increased tax burden from your apathy. Taxes should be reduced as low as possible and getting rid of immigrants will make it *worse*. Yes, even with paying for "housing immigrants". Even with the dodgy "child benefit" scams (aka council officials not doing their jobs properly). Even with all the money we send out of this country, even with all the money we spend on them we are *MAKING MONEY OUT OF THEM* How hard is this to understand? The figures are all freely available. It's a simple costs-versus-benefit s calculation. Anyone who calls themselves right-wing should be able to work this out.[/p][/quote]Why are you branding people who are concerned about the direction our Country is taking, as racists and xenophobes? I presume that you are happy with the islamification by the back door policy of the Muslim community and the loss of our traditional way of life? I presume also, that you are happy with the radicalisation practiced in the schools of these communities and their desire not to become part of OUR society? It is not about race, it is about the systematic change that is occurring in this Country that is concerning and potentially dangerous for future generations. If you choose to ignore this, then you will do so at your peril. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 0

8:16am Wed 30 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

I'm not. I'm calling people who are racist or xenophobic racist or xenophobic.

I have no issue with people wanting to close borders other than the fact that they will cause my taxes to go up.

I am just as happy about the "Islamification by the back door" policy as I am the "gay rights are more important than any other rights", "women are better than men arch-feminist groups", "go back to the Christian definition of all morality", "get rid of all religion" policies. Everyone has an agenda.

Everyone wants the culture they live in to shift in ways which benefit them.

I embrace the freedom our great nation gives us to disagree with one another - yes even to disagree with the system.
I'm not. I'm calling people who are racist or xenophobic racist or xenophobic. I have no issue with people wanting to close borders other than the fact that they will cause my taxes to go up. I am just as happy about the "Islamification by the back door" policy as I am the "gay rights are more important than any other rights", "women are better than men arch-feminist groups", "go back to the Christian definition of all morality", "get rid of all religion" policies. Everyone has an agenda. Everyone wants the culture they live in to shift in ways which benefit them. I embrace the freedom our great nation gives us to disagree with one another - yes even to disagree with the system. mkaibear1
  • Score: 2

8:23am Wed 30 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
Oh dear, coaly, you're failing at this basic "reading" lark again.

It is not I who says that the word is offensive but the Oxford English Dictionary. I suggest you address your complaints to them.

>I can not deny any of my posts nor do I wish to deny truth I have spoken

...er, you denied that you had used a racially offensive term, and you denied you had posted a post containing racially offensive language. Have you forgotten? It was only a few hours ago.

>so long as he lives by our law and custom

Our law and custom allows for people to have cultural and religious freedom. You want that to be taken away from them - *you* want the law and custom changed to suit yourself.

You are exactly as bad as any fundamentalist Muslim who wants to impose Sharia law on the UK, as any fundamentalist Christian who wants to force everyone to obey their particular moral code, as any fundamentalist atheist who wants to have all religions banned in the UK.

You cannot on the one hand claim to be the upholder of British law and custom, and on the other claim that it's right to take away the rights which British subjects have in our society. It's profoundly illogical.
Hi huggi Have you ever worked for Pavlov you now the guy who brain washed dogs . Yes our law and customs, British law and customs do not allow Bigamy ,female genital mutilation, or give girl children as brides to old men, or force women to become slaves and sexual playthings against their will. Religious freedom is that the one where children are tormented
and killed because they have a demon inside them ? or is it the one that
that allows children to be brainwashed into the barbarous act of suicide bombing ? Call me a racist because you cannot tolerate the truth ,but to compare me to Muslim lunatics who are currently
destroying the lives of millions in the name of an eight century Tony Blair is beyond the pale , ATHEIST I may be but have you ever seen a
man walking on water or turning that water into wine ? or for that matter a man riding a winged horse sailing up to heaven ? all stemming
from a bunch of ignorant nomads thinking a volcano they called Yahweh was a god which Israelites turned into an invisible all singing dancing deity . Incidentally I do not believe in fairy's either .I believe the oxford also defines the word **** as inebriated . I again quote Kipling If you can hear the words you have spoken twisted to make a trap for fools . Have a good day racist,
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, coaly, you're failing at this basic "reading" lark again. It is not I who says that the word is offensive but the Oxford English Dictionary. I suggest you address your complaints to them. >I can not deny any of my posts nor do I wish to deny truth I have spoken ...er, you denied that you had used a racially offensive term, and you denied you had posted a post containing racially offensive language. Have you forgotten? It was only a few hours ago. >so long as he lives by our law and custom Our law and custom allows for people to have cultural and religious freedom. You want that to be taken away from them - *you* want the law and custom changed to suit yourself. You are exactly as bad as any fundamentalist Muslim who wants to impose Sharia law on the UK, as any fundamentalist Christian who wants to force everyone to obey their particular moral code, as any fundamentalist atheist who wants to have all religions banned in the UK. You cannot on the one hand claim to be the upholder of British law and custom, and on the other claim that it's right to take away the rights which British subjects have in our society. It's profoundly illogical.[/p][/quote]Hi huggi Have you ever worked for Pavlov you now the guy who brain washed dogs . Yes our law and customs, British law and customs do not allow Bigamy ,female genital mutilation, or give girl children as brides to old men, or force women to become slaves and sexual playthings against their will. Religious freedom is that the one where children are tormented and killed because they have a demon inside them ? or is it the one that that allows children to be brainwashed into the barbarous act of suicide bombing ? Call me a racist because you cannot tolerate the truth ,but to compare me to Muslim lunatics who are currently destroying the lives of millions in the name of an eight century Tony Blair is beyond the pale , ATHEIST I may be but have you ever seen a man walking on water or turning that water into wine ? or for that matter a man riding a winged horse sailing up to heaven ? all stemming from a bunch of ignorant nomads thinking a volcano they called Yahweh was a god which Israelites turned into an invisible all singing dancing deity . Incidentally I do not believe in fairy's either .I believe the oxford also defines the word **** as inebriated . I again quote Kipling If you can hear the words you have spoken twisted to make a trap for fools . Have a good day racist, coalpicker
  • Score: -1

8:29am Wed 30 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
I'm not. I'm calling people who are racist or xenophobic racist or xenophobic.

I have no issue with people wanting to close borders other than the fact that they will cause my taxes to go up.

I am just as happy about the "Islamification by the back door" policy as I am the "gay rights are more important than any other rights", "women are better than men arch-feminist groups", "go back to the Christian definition of all morality", "get rid of all religion" policies. Everyone has an agenda.

Everyone wants the culture they live in to shift in ways which benefit them.

I embrace the freedom our great nation gives us to disagree with one another - yes even to disagree with the system.
YOU are a racist prat Huggi
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: I'm not. I'm calling people who are racist or xenophobic racist or xenophobic. I have no issue with people wanting to close borders other than the fact that they will cause my taxes to go up. I am just as happy about the "Islamification by the back door" policy as I am the "gay rights are more important than any other rights", "women are better than men arch-feminist groups", "go back to the Christian definition of all morality", "get rid of all religion" policies. Everyone has an agenda. Everyone wants the culture they live in to shift in ways which benefit them. I embrace the freedom our great nation gives us to disagree with one another - yes even to disagree with the system.[/p][/quote]YOU are a racist prat Huggi coalpicker
  • Score: -2

8:48am Wed 30 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
I'm not. I'm calling people who are racist or xenophobic racist or xenophobic.

I have no issue with people wanting to close borders other than the fact that they will cause my taxes to go up.

I am just as happy about the "Islamification by the back door" policy as I am the "gay rights are more important than any other rights", "women are better than men arch-feminist groups", "go back to the Christian definition of all morality", "get rid of all religion" policies. Everyone has an agenda.

Everyone wants the culture they live in to shift in ways which benefit them.

I embrace the freedom our great nation gives us to disagree with one another - yes even to disagree with the system.
Bulls feathers Huggi you want to curtail free speech by playing the race card, now can I ask a question are you a black supremacy freak or perhaps
a white with mental issues ?
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: I'm not. I'm calling people who are racist or xenophobic racist or xenophobic. I have no issue with people wanting to close borders other than the fact that they will cause my taxes to go up. I am just as happy about the "Islamification by the back door" policy as I am the "gay rights are more important than any other rights", "women are better than men arch-feminist groups", "go back to the Christian definition of all morality", "get rid of all religion" policies. Everyone has an agenda. Everyone wants the culture they live in to shift in ways which benefit them. I embrace the freedom our great nation gives us to disagree with one another - yes even to disagree with the system.[/p][/quote]Bulls feathers Huggi you want to curtail free speech by playing the race card, now can I ask a question are you a black supremacy freak or perhaps a white with mental issues ? coalpicker
  • Score: -3

9:46am Wed 30 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

coalpicker wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote: Oh dear, coaly, you're failing at this basic "reading" lark again. It is not I who says that the word is offensive but the Oxford English Dictionary. I suggest you address your complaints to them. >I can not deny any of my posts nor do I wish to deny truth I have spoken ...er, you denied that you had used a racially offensive term, and you denied you had posted a post containing racially offensive language. Have you forgotten? It was only a few hours ago. >so long as he lives by our law and custom Our law and custom allows for people to have cultural and religious freedom. You want that to be taken away from them - *you* want the law and custom changed to suit yourself. You are exactly as bad as any fundamentalist Muslim who wants to impose Sharia law on the UK, as any fundamentalist Christian who wants to force everyone to obey their particular moral code, as any fundamentalist atheist who wants to have all religions banned in the UK. You cannot on the one hand claim to be the upholder of British law and custom, and on the other claim that it's right to take away the rights which British subjects have in our society. It's profoundly illogical.
Hi huggi Have you ever worked for Pavlov you now the guy who brain washed dogs . Yes our law and customs, British law and customs do not allow Bigamy ,female genital mutilation, or give girl children as brides to old men, or force women to become slaves and sexual playthings against their will. Religious freedom is that the one where children are tormented and killed because they have a demon inside them ? or is it the one that that allows children to be brainwashed into the barbarous act of suicide bombing ? Call me a racist because you cannot tolerate the truth ,but to compare me to Muslim lunatics who are currently destroying the lives of millions in the name of an eight century Tony Blair is beyond the pale , ATHEIST I may be but have you ever seen a man walking on water or turning that water into wine ? or for that matter a man riding a winged horse sailing up to heaven ? all stemming from a bunch of ignorant nomads thinking a volcano they called Yahweh was a god which Israelites turned into an invisible all singing dancing deity . Incidentally I do not believe in fairy's either .I believe the oxford also defines the word **** as inebriated . I again quote Kipling If you can hear the words you have spoken twisted to make a trap for fools . Have a good day racist,
Oh dear have I struck a nerve? Your vitriol is even less coherent than normal...

In one very important sense you are exactly like the religious idiots who want to do all the stuff you mentioned. That sense is; you think what you want to happen is more important than what anyone else wants to happen.

Well, newsflash, coaly, it isn't. Just as the religious fruitcakes won't get to introduce the things you are so scared about, so too you won't ever get to ban the freedoms which you rail against.

> have a good day racist,

Really? So now you've proven yourself as a racist you are trying to accuse me of being one. Another dreadful attempt to gain the high ground. Keep trying coaly!
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, coaly, you're failing at this basic "reading" lark again. It is not I who says that the word is offensive but the Oxford English Dictionary. I suggest you address your complaints to them. >I can not deny any of my posts nor do I wish to deny truth I have spoken ...er, you denied that you had used a racially offensive term, and you denied you had posted a post containing racially offensive language. Have you forgotten? It was only a few hours ago. >so long as he lives by our law and custom Our law and custom allows for people to have cultural and religious freedom. You want that to be taken away from them - *you* want the law and custom changed to suit yourself. You are exactly as bad as any fundamentalist Muslim who wants to impose Sharia law on the UK, as any fundamentalist Christian who wants to force everyone to obey their particular moral code, as any fundamentalist atheist who wants to have all religions banned in the UK. You cannot on the one hand claim to be the upholder of British law and custom, and on the other claim that it's right to take away the rights which British subjects have in our society. It's profoundly illogical.[/p][/quote]Hi huggi Have you ever worked for Pavlov you now the guy who brain washed dogs . Yes our law and customs, British law and customs do not allow Bigamy ,female genital mutilation, or give girl children as brides to old men, or force women to become slaves and sexual playthings against their will. Religious freedom is that the one where children are tormented and killed because they have a demon inside them ? or is it the one that that allows children to be brainwashed into the barbarous act of suicide bombing ? Call me a racist because you cannot tolerate the truth ,but to compare me to Muslim lunatics who are currently destroying the lives of millions in the name of an eight century Tony Blair is beyond the pale , ATHEIST I may be but have you ever seen a man walking on water or turning that water into wine ? or for that matter a man riding a winged horse sailing up to heaven ? all stemming from a bunch of ignorant nomads thinking a volcano they called Yahweh was a god which Israelites turned into an invisible all singing dancing deity . Incidentally I do not believe in fairy's either .I believe the oxford also defines the word **** as inebriated . I again quote Kipling If you can hear the words you have spoken twisted to make a trap for fools . Have a good day racist,[/p][/quote]Oh dear have I struck a nerve? Your vitriol is even less coherent than normal... In one very important sense you are exactly like the religious idiots who want to do all the stuff you mentioned. That sense is; you think what you want to happen is more important than what anyone else wants to happen. Well, newsflash, coaly, it isn't. Just as the religious fruitcakes won't get to introduce the things you are so scared about, so too you won't ever get to ban the freedoms which you rail against. > have a good day racist, Really? So now you've proven yourself as a racist you are trying to accuse me of being one. Another dreadful attempt to gain the high ground. Keep trying coaly! mkaibear1
  • Score: 2

9:48am Wed 30 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

coalpicker wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote: I'm not. I'm calling people who are racist or xenophobic racist or xenophobic. I have no issue with people wanting to close borders other than the fact that they will cause my taxes to go up. I am just as happy about the "Islamification by the back door" policy as I am the "gay rights are more important than any other rights", "women are better than men arch-feminist groups", "go back to the Christian definition of all morality", "get rid of all religion" policies. Everyone has an agenda. Everyone wants the culture they live in to shift in ways which benefit them. I embrace the freedom our great nation gives us to disagree with one another - yes even to disagree with the system.
YOU are a racist prat Huggi
Hehehe. Epic fail at debate as usual. Keep on trying! Maybe eventually you'll say something sensible. Although I doubt it.
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: I'm not. I'm calling people who are racist or xenophobic racist or xenophobic. I have no issue with people wanting to close borders other than the fact that they will cause my taxes to go up. I am just as happy about the "Islamification by the back door" policy as I am the "gay rights are more important than any other rights", "women are better than men arch-feminist groups", "go back to the Christian definition of all morality", "get rid of all religion" policies. Everyone has an agenda. Everyone wants the culture they live in to shift in ways which benefit them. I embrace the freedom our great nation gives us to disagree with one another - yes even to disagree with the system.[/p][/quote]YOU are a racist prat Huggi[/p][/quote]Hehehe. Epic fail at debate as usual. Keep on trying! Maybe eventually you'll say something sensible. Although I doubt it. mkaibear1
  • Score: 3

9:53am Wed 30 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

coalpicker wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote: I'm not. I'm calling people who are racist or xenophobic racist or xenophobic. I have no issue with people wanting to close borders other than the fact that they will cause my taxes to go up. I am just as happy about the "Islamification by the back door" policy as I am the "gay rights are more important than any other rights", "women are better than men arch-feminist groups", "go back to the Christian definition of all morality", "get rid of all religion" policies. Everyone has an agenda. Everyone wants the culture they live in to shift in ways which benefit them. I embrace the freedom our great nation gives us to disagree with one another - yes even to disagree with the system.
Bulls feathers Huggi you want to curtail free speech by playing the race card, now can I ask a question are you a black supremacy freak or perhaps a white with mental issues ?
Ah, the last refuge of a racist - "I can say what I want".

True, you can. You also then can't complain about being called a racist when you are being racist.

Which is it coaly? Do we have free speech (in which case you can say racist things and I can call you a racist), or not (in which case you can't say racist things)?
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: I'm not. I'm calling people who are racist or xenophobic racist or xenophobic. I have no issue with people wanting to close borders other than the fact that they will cause my taxes to go up. I am just as happy about the "Islamification by the back door" policy as I am the "gay rights are more important than any other rights", "women are better than men arch-feminist groups", "go back to the Christian definition of all morality", "get rid of all religion" policies. Everyone has an agenda. Everyone wants the culture they live in to shift in ways which benefit them. I embrace the freedom our great nation gives us to disagree with one another - yes even to disagree with the system.[/p][/quote]Bulls feathers Huggi you want to curtail free speech by playing the race card, now can I ask a question are you a black supremacy freak or perhaps a white with mental issues ?[/p][/quote]Ah, the last refuge of a racist - "I can say what I want". True, you can. You also then can't complain about being called a racist when you are being racist. Which is it coaly? Do we have free speech (in which case you can say racist things and I can call you a racist), or not (in which case you can't say racist things)? mkaibear1
  • Score: 2

9:55am Wed 30 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

Ah, the last refuge of a racist - "I can say what I want".

True, you can. You also then can't complain about being called a racist when you are being racist.

Which is it coaly? Do we have free speech (in which case you can say racist things and I can call you a racist), or not (in which case you can't say racist things)?
Ah, the last refuge of a racist - "I can say what I want". True, you can. You also then can't complain about being called a racist when you are being racist. Which is it coaly? Do we have free speech (in which case you can say racist things and I can call you a racist), or not (in which case you can't say racist things)? mkaibear1
  • Score: 1

3:16pm Wed 30 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

Come on Huggi you and people like you stifle debate by waving the race card, in itself it is a form of racism indeed it is a very dangerous form it is conducive to destroying cohesion because it fosters deep resentment northern Ireland is a classic example of long term suppression of dissatisfaction denied the right to a legitimate complaint. Lets look at racism from the British stand point ,Choudry and his gang of racists burning the union flag and poppy's shouting murderer's to our troops who had just returned from the Neanderthal situation in Afghanistan a country where Women are treated just bit less harshly than donkeys who's treatment does not bear thinking about .Were Choudry's mob prosecuted for their gross racism they
were not, there was a time they would have been shot for the dangerous fifth column they are ,the way things are going with brain washed children in our schools listening to the sort of divisive clap trap you and your ilk are pedalling we will very likely be shooting them in
thirty years time. How do you in all honesty think the British people
feel about this type of situation when guys like Clarkson is castigated
for using the descriptive English word slope? if it wasn't so aggravating
it would be hilarious .Strangling our language is an exercise racists like you may live to regret HUGGI Bear .
Come on Huggi you and people like you stifle debate by waving the race card, in itself it is a form of racism indeed it is a very dangerous form it is conducive to destroying cohesion because it fosters deep resentment northern Ireland is a classic example of long term suppression of dissatisfaction denied the right to a legitimate complaint. Lets look at racism from the British stand point ,Choudry and his gang of racists burning the union flag and poppy's shouting murderer's to our troops who had just returned from the Neanderthal situation in Afghanistan a country where Women are treated just bit less harshly than donkeys who's treatment does not bear thinking about .Were Choudry's mob prosecuted for their gross racism they were not, there was a time they would have been shot for the dangerous fifth column they are ,the way things are going with brain washed children in our schools listening to the sort of divisive clap trap you and your ilk are pedalling we will very likely be shooting them in thirty years time. How do you in all honesty think the British people feel about this type of situation when guys like Clarkson is castigated for using the descriptive English word slope? if it wasn't so aggravating it would be hilarious .Strangling our language is an exercise racists like you may live to regret HUGGI Bear . coalpicker
  • Score: -2

3:36pm Wed 30 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

coalpicker wrote:
Come on Huggi you and people like you stifle debate by waving the race card, in itself it is a form of racism indeed it is a very dangerous form it is conducive to destroying cohesion because it fosters deep resentment northern Ireland is a classic example of long term suppression of dissatisfaction denied the right to a legitimate complaint. Lets look at racism from the British stand point ,Choudry and his gang of racists burning the union flag and poppy's shouting murderer's to our troops who had just returned from the Neanderthal situation in Afghanistan a country where Women are treated just bit less harshly than donkeys who's treatment does not bear thinking about .Were Choudry's mob prosecuted for their gross racism they
were not, there was a time they would have been shot for the dangerous fifth column they are ,the way things are going with brain washed children in our schools listening to the sort of divisive clap trap you and your ilk are pedalling we will very likely be shooting them in
thirty years time. How do you in all honesty think the British people
feel about this type of situation when guys like Clarkson is castigated
for using the descriptive English word slope? if it wasn't so aggravating
it would be hilarious .Strangling our language is an exercise racists like you may live to regret HUGGI Bear .
So, you want to be able to be racist without anyone calling you racist? Free speech for you but for no-one else. That's exactly what I'd expect from you. Hypocritical, illogical, and refusing to face up to the fact that you're as bad or worse as those you oppose.

Choudry and his gang of racists (at last! a correct use of the term racist from coaly!) were not arrested because they have a right to freedom of speech. The same freedom of speech you are claiming is abrogated by people calling you racist. It's not. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, you can say what you like and those who oppose you can say what they like, even if it offends you.

I find your racist views extremely offensive. But I will fight *to my last breath* for your right to say them in public. Just as I will fight to my last breath for my right to tell you that you are being racist.

You can't have one without the other.
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: Come on Huggi you and people like you stifle debate by waving the race card, in itself it is a form of racism indeed it is a very dangerous form it is conducive to destroying cohesion because it fosters deep resentment northern Ireland is a classic example of long term suppression of dissatisfaction denied the right to a legitimate complaint. Lets look at racism from the British stand point ,Choudry and his gang of racists burning the union flag and poppy's shouting murderer's to our troops who had just returned from the Neanderthal situation in Afghanistan a country where Women are treated just bit less harshly than donkeys who's treatment does not bear thinking about .Were Choudry's mob prosecuted for their gross racism they were not, there was a time they would have been shot for the dangerous fifth column they are ,the way things are going with brain washed children in our schools listening to the sort of divisive clap trap you and your ilk are pedalling we will very likely be shooting them in thirty years time. How do you in all honesty think the British people feel about this type of situation when guys like Clarkson is castigated for using the descriptive English word slope? if it wasn't so aggravating it would be hilarious .Strangling our language is an exercise racists like you may live to regret HUGGI Bear .[/p][/quote]So, you want to be able to be racist without anyone calling you racist? Free speech for you but for no-one else. That's exactly what I'd expect from you. Hypocritical, illogical, and refusing to face up to the fact that you're as bad or worse as those you oppose. Choudry and his gang of racists (at last! a correct use of the term racist from coaly!) were not arrested because they have a right to freedom of speech. The same freedom of speech you are claiming is abrogated by people calling you racist. It's not. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, you can say what you like and those who oppose you can say what they like, even if it offends you. I find your racist views extremely offensive. But I will fight *to my last breath* for your right to say them in public. Just as I will fight to my last breath for my right to tell you that you are being racist. You can't have one without the other. mkaibear1
  • Score: 0

4:58pm Wed 30 Jul 14

welshmen says...

Jimmyyellowbelly2.mk
aibear1 :::::PATRIOTISM IS NOT RACISM::::,

Of cause this is not in you vocabulary, never practised it, never felt it,
something you two know nothing about, the two of you, one Tory one Green, you seem to have no problem allowing millions of foreigners into our Country even when our infrastructure is not up to speed, a Religion that if any more of it's followers come to our Country could start a civil war, yet you actually want more and more of both, their is a name for you two and if I posted it Kev would be signing me off, you have your views which are strange to say the least we have our views, the difference is we love our Country and want it to remain British, British Culture, British ways, British way of life, British Christian ways and Laws..


You say:
"But I will fight *to my last breath*" pity you can't show you would do the same for our Country....your favourite word "Racist", easy to call some one on here, not as easy to say it to the face....

"Racist" -- A Word Invented by USSR's Leon Trotsky and seconded by jimmyyellowbelly2 and mkielbear:

The word "racist" has for a long time been the single most effective fear-word in the leftist and non-conservative arsenal (ring any bells yet). For decades, they have successfully used it in the political arena to slander traditionalists,(tha
t's us) shut down debate, and leave opponents running for cover. In the social arena,(but not us) they have caused even more damage by using it to brainwash impressionable children and young college students, and to teach people to hate their nation, their cultural traditions, and worst of all, themselves. (now that sounds like you two) spot on....

What surprisingly remains almost totally un-discussed, even on the hard core traditionalist Right, is the word's origin. Did it come from a liberal sociologist? A 60's Marxist college professor? Perhaps a politician in the Democratic Party? No. It turns out that the word was invented by none other than one of the principal architects of the 74-year Soviet nightmare, the founder and first leader of the infamous Red Army, Leon Trotsky.....

So, Trotsky worshippers, you have an agenda similar to Islam.
.NOT GOING TO WORK HERE IN GREAT BRITAIN.....the Lions are awakening, not long before your kind will be dealt with....
Jimmyyellowbelly2.mk aibear1 :::::PATRIOTISM IS NOT RACISM::::, Of cause this is not in you vocabulary, never practised it, never felt it, something you two know nothing about, the two of you, one Tory one Green, you seem to have no problem allowing millions of foreigners into our Country even when our infrastructure is not up to speed, a Religion that if any more of it's followers come to our Country could start a civil war, yet you actually want more and more of both, their is a name for you two and if I posted it Kev would be signing me off, you have your views which are strange to say the least we have our views, the difference is we love our Country and want it to remain British, British Culture, British ways, British way of life, British Christian ways and Laws.. You say: "But I will fight *to my last breath*" pity you can't show you would do the same for our Country....your favourite word "Racist", easy to call some one on here, not as easy to say it to the face.... "Racist" -- A Word Invented by USSR's Leon Trotsky and seconded by jimmyyellowbelly2 and mkielbear: The word "racist" has for a long time been the single most effective fear-word in the leftist and non-conservative arsenal (ring any bells yet). For decades, they have successfully used it in the political arena to slander traditionalists,(tha t's us) shut down debate, and leave opponents running for cover. In the social arena,(but not us) they have caused even more damage by using it to brainwash impressionable children and young college students, and to teach people to hate their nation, their cultural traditions, and worst of all, themselves. (now that sounds like you two) spot on.... What surprisingly remains almost totally un-discussed, even on the hard core traditionalist Right, is the word's origin. Did it come from a liberal sociologist? A 60's Marxist college professor? Perhaps a politician in the Democratic Party? No. It turns out that the word was invented by none other than one of the principal architects of the 74-year Soviet nightmare, the founder and first leader of the infamous Red Army, Leon Trotsky..... So, Trotsky worshippers, you have an agenda similar to Islam. .NOT GOING TO WORK HERE IN GREAT BRITAIN.....the Lions are awakening, not long before your kind will be dealt with.... welshmen
  • Score: -2

5:10pm Wed 30 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

Ah diddums are you also upset because you are no longer able to be racist without someone pointing out that you're being racist. There there, you can hold on to your double standard in your own head.

Just like coaly, you want everyone to do things your way but don't want to be bound by the same rules yourself. It would be pathetic if it weren't so sad.

Get it through your thick skull: British culture is one of freedom and tolerance. Freedom to speak. Freedom to believe. Freedom to worship.

It's not "impose your crass values on everyone" nor is it "impose Islam and Sharia" nor is it "impose atheism and no religion for anyone" nor is it "impose CFSM and put colanders on everyone's heads".

We are free. You will never be able to impose your hate-filled views on the UK. You have already lost.
Ah diddums are you also upset because you are no longer able to be racist without someone pointing out that you're being racist. There there, you can hold on to your double standard in your own head. Just like coaly, you want everyone to do things your way but don't want to be bound by the same rules yourself. It would be pathetic if it weren't so sad. Get it through your thick skull: British culture is one of freedom and tolerance. Freedom to speak. Freedom to believe. Freedom to worship. It's not "impose your crass values on everyone" nor is it "impose Islam and Sharia" nor is it "impose atheism and no religion for anyone" nor is it "impose CFSM and put colanders on everyone's heads". We are free. You will never be able to impose your hate-filled views on the UK. You have already lost. mkaibear1
  • Score: 3

5:24pm Wed 30 Jul 14

welshmen says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
Ah diddums are you also upset because you are no longer able to be racist without someone pointing out that you're being racist. There there, you can hold on to your double standard in your own head.

Just like coaly, you want everyone to do things your way but don't want to be bound by the same rules yourself. It would be pathetic if it weren't so sad.

Get it through your thick skull: British culture is one of freedom and tolerance. Freedom to speak. Freedom to believe. Freedom to worship.

It's not "impose your crass values on everyone" nor is it "impose Islam and Sharia" nor is it "impose atheism and no religion for anyone" nor is it "impose CFSM and put colanders on everyone's heads".

We are free. You will never be able to impose your hate-filled views on the UK. You have already lost.
Your just a Trotsky troll, go and bore someone else with your Trotsky crap, jog on Mr Bore....mkailbear1 you have still have no clue....
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: Ah diddums are you also upset because you are no longer able to be racist without someone pointing out that you're being racist. There there, you can hold on to your double standard in your own head. Just like coaly, you want everyone to do things your way but don't want to be bound by the same rules yourself. It would be pathetic if it weren't so sad. Get it through your thick skull: British culture is one of freedom and tolerance. Freedom to speak. Freedom to believe. Freedom to worship. It's not "impose your crass values on everyone" nor is it "impose Islam and Sharia" nor is it "impose atheism and no religion for anyone" nor is it "impose CFSM and put colanders on everyone's heads". We are free. You will never be able to impose your hate-filled views on the UK. You have already lost.[/p][/quote]Your just a Trotsky troll, go and bore someone else with your Trotsky crap, jog on Mr Bore....mkailbear1 you have still have no clue.... welshmen
  • Score: -1

5:48pm Wed 30 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

So, your idea of "British Culture, British ways, British way of life, British Christian ways and Laws." is "whatever welshmen says it is" and not actual British Culture, ways or laws?

Just as hypocritical as coaly. Too blinkered to accept you're as bad as the Islamic fundamentalists you rail about.

Oh, and you need to decide whether I'm a Tory or a Trotskyist. I mean if you're going to abuse me based on a political ideology you should probably pick just one and stick to it, less chance of confusing yourself. Not that you have any trouble confusing yourself as it is.

Keep on trying, welshmen.
So, your idea of "British Culture, British ways, British way of life, British Christian ways and Laws." is "whatever welshmen says it is" and not actual British Culture, ways or laws? Just as hypocritical as coaly. Too blinkered to accept you're as bad as the Islamic fundamentalists you rail about. Oh, and you need to decide whether I'm a Tory or a Trotskyist. I mean if you're going to abuse me based on a political ideology you should probably pick just one and stick to it, less chance of confusing yourself. Not that you have any trouble confusing yourself as it is. Keep on trying, welshmen. mkaibear1
  • Score: 2

8:22pm Wed 30 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
coalpicker wrote:
Come on Huggi you and people like you stifle debate by waving the race card, in itself it is a form of racism indeed it is a very dangerous form it is conducive to destroying cohesion because it fosters deep resentment northern Ireland is a classic example of long term suppression of dissatisfaction denied the right to a legitimate complaint. Lets look at racism from the British stand point ,Choudry and his gang of racists burning the union flag and poppy's shouting murderer's to our troops who had just returned from the Neanderthal situation in Afghanistan a country where Women are treated just bit less harshly than donkeys who's treatment does not bear thinking about .Were Choudry's mob prosecuted for their gross racism they
were not, there was a time they would have been shot for the dangerous fifth column they are ,the way things are going with brain washed children in our schools listening to the sort of divisive clap trap you and your ilk are pedalling we will very likely be shooting them in
thirty years time. How do you in all honesty think the British people
feel about this type of situation when guys like Clarkson is castigated
for using the descriptive English word slope? if it wasn't so aggravating
it would be hilarious .Strangling our language is an exercise racists like you may live to regret HUGGI Bear .
So, you want to be able to be racist without anyone calling you racist? Free speech for you but for no-one else. That's exactly what I'd expect from you. Hypocritical, illogical, and refusing to face up to the fact that you're as bad or worse as those you oppose.

Choudry and his gang of racists (at last! a correct use of the term racist from coaly!) were not arrested because they have a right to freedom of speech. The same freedom of speech you are claiming is abrogated by people calling you racist. It's not. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, you can say what you like and those who oppose you can say what they like, even if it offends you.

I find your racist views extremely offensive. But I will fight *to my last breath* for your right to say them in public. Just as I will fight to my last breath for my right to tell you that you are being racist.

You can't have one without the other.
NO DOUBT WHAT SOEVER you are definitely losing it old shambler , the racist is you. However the real villain's are the mentally challenged law makers in the house of thieves liars and perverts who are afraid of the term racist' this fear is percolating through every official organ of our society this is allowing people like yourself to make the British population look like a music hall joke facilitating immigrants to descend on us like a swarm of locusts indeed I consider immigrants to be ,as far as the UK is concerned, the new bubonic plague destroying our infrastructure and eventually our society . Over a hundred languages
spoken within our borders the NHS crumbling our education sliding down the league of excellence with standards of social order discipline
and behaviour resembling those found in American cities ,let there be no mistake Huggi if people of your beliefs are allowed to continue strangling our language we as a identifiable people who have given so much to the world ,like the Romans will disappear .
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: Come on Huggi you and people like you stifle debate by waving the race card, in itself it is a form of racism indeed it is a very dangerous form it is conducive to destroying cohesion because it fosters deep resentment northern Ireland is a classic example of long term suppression of dissatisfaction denied the right to a legitimate complaint. Lets look at racism from the British stand point ,Choudry and his gang of racists burning the union flag and poppy's shouting murderer's to our troops who had just returned from the Neanderthal situation in Afghanistan a country where Women are treated just bit less harshly than donkeys who's treatment does not bear thinking about .Were Choudry's mob prosecuted for their gross racism they were not, there was a time they would have been shot for the dangerous fifth column they are ,the way things are going with brain washed children in our schools listening to the sort of divisive clap trap you and your ilk are pedalling we will very likely be shooting them in thirty years time. How do you in all honesty think the British people feel about this type of situation when guys like Clarkson is castigated for using the descriptive English word slope? if it wasn't so aggravating it would be hilarious .Strangling our language is an exercise racists like you may live to regret HUGGI Bear .[/p][/quote]So, you want to be able to be racist without anyone calling you racist? Free speech for you but for no-one else. That's exactly what I'd expect from you. Hypocritical, illogical, and refusing to face up to the fact that you're as bad or worse as those you oppose. Choudry and his gang of racists (at last! a correct use of the term racist from coaly!) were not arrested because they have a right to freedom of speech. The same freedom of speech you are claiming is abrogated by people calling you racist. It's not. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech, you can say what you like and those who oppose you can say what they like, even if it offends you. I find your racist views extremely offensive. But I will fight *to my last breath* for your right to say them in public. Just as I will fight to my last breath for my right to tell you that you are being racist. You can't have one without the other.[/p][/quote]NO DOUBT WHAT SOEVER you are definitely losing it old shambler , the racist is you. However the real villain's are the mentally challenged law makers in the house of thieves liars and perverts who are afraid of the term racist' this fear is percolating through every official organ of our society this is allowing people like yourself to make the British population look like a music hall joke facilitating immigrants to descend on us like a swarm of locusts indeed I consider immigrants to be ,as far as the UK is concerned, the new bubonic plague destroying our infrastructure and eventually our society . Over a hundred languages spoken within our borders the NHS crumbling our education sliding down the league of excellence with standards of social order discipline and behaviour resembling those found in American cities ,let there be no mistake Huggi if people of your beliefs are allowed to continue strangling our language we as a identifiable people who have given so much to the world ,like the Romans will disappear . coalpicker
  • Score: 1

8:59pm Wed 30 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

Oh dear you are coming out with some particularly weird stuff now. I'd say that I can't follow your logic but the truth is there is none is there? Accusing me of losing it when your bile and venom is becoming steadily less coherent - it's almost tragic. Again accusing me of being a racist - apparently you think repeating your wild rantings will make them true? Here's a tip, if you're going to straw man (another popular logical fallacy) you need to construct an argument, not merely vomit out repetition of the same statement over and over.

Characterizing immigrants as equivalent to bubonic plague - showing your true colours there. Xenophobic bigotry with no base in reality. Laughable. Just laughable.

My Britain is a place of tolerance, of compassion, of freedom. Those are the values which made Britain great amongst nations. Your identikit "everyone must be the same" doctrine has never existed in Britain and never will.
Oh dear you are coming out with some particularly weird stuff now. I'd say that I can't follow your logic but the truth is there is none is there? Accusing me of losing it when your bile and venom is becoming steadily less coherent - it's almost tragic. Again accusing me of being a racist - apparently you think repeating your wild rantings will make them true? Here's a tip, if you're going to straw man (another popular logical fallacy) you need to construct an argument, not merely vomit out repetition of the same statement over and over. Characterizing immigrants as equivalent to bubonic plague - showing your true colours there. Xenophobic bigotry with no base in reality. Laughable. Just laughable. My Britain is a place of tolerance, of compassion, of freedom. Those are the values which made Britain great amongst nations. Your identikit "everyone must be the same" doctrine has never existed in Britain and never will. mkaibear1
  • Score: -1

1:40am Thu 31 Jul 14

Howie' says...

Having read 'Welshmen' and 'Coalprickers's ' posts I think back to the 2010 Election, same debate and the BNP at the height of it's popularity only recorded a 1.8% vote of the electorate. since 2010 their support has tumbled but now they pin their hopes on the loons of UKIP which will get them nowhere. Most youngsters today get on with their classmates whatever their skin colour or religion. The Enoch Powell 'Rivers of Blood' scenario is not going to happen, history is not on your side and you are on the wrong side of today's generation. Won't stop you from sprouting your bile though.
Having read 'Welshmen' and 'Coalprickers's ' posts I think back to the 2010 Election, same debate and the BNP at the height of it's popularity only recorded a 1.8% vote of the electorate. since 2010 their support has tumbled but now they pin their hopes on the loons of UKIP which will get them nowhere. Most youngsters today get on with their classmates whatever their skin colour or religion. The Enoch Powell 'Rivers of Blood' scenario is not going to happen, history is not on your side and you are on the wrong side of today's generation. Won't stop you from sprouting your bile though. Howie'
  • Score: 1

10:08am Thu 31 Jul 14

welshmen says...

Nothing to do with the BNP or Ukip, this is what's happening, uncontrolled Immigration, that you and the other two idiots think that' it's good for the UK, your back in the Windrush days, or your going blind, or refuse to see what's taking place right under your nose, posting at 1:4 am can't be good for the odd brain cell either, no wonder your coming out in support of Islam and more Immigration, if your happy to see anyone from anywhere come to our over populated Country then fine, we'll just have to wait and see at the next G/election, look at birth rates, £5 Billion a year on Immigrant tax credits, £1.7 million a month on housing benefit paid out by Councils each month, if you can't see that keep your Trotsky politics, because that's what you and the other two believe in....
Nothing to do with the BNP or Ukip, this is what's happening, uncontrolled Immigration, that you and the other two idiots think that' it's good for the UK, your back in the Windrush days, or your going blind, or refuse to see what's taking place right under your nose, posting at 1:4 am can't be good for the odd brain cell either, no wonder your coming out in support of Islam and more Immigration, if your happy to see anyone from anywhere come to our over populated Country then fine, we'll just have to wait and see at the next G/election, look at birth rates, £5 Billion a year on Immigrant tax credits, £1.7 million a month on housing benefit paid out by Councils each month, if you can't see that keep your Trotsky politics, because that's what you and the other two believe in.... welshmen
  • Score: 0

10:24am Thu 31 Jul 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
Jimmyyellowbelly2.mk

aibear1 :::::PATRIOTISM IS NOT RACISM::::,

Of cause this is not in you vocabulary, never practised it, never felt it,
something you two know nothing about, the two of you, one Tory one Green, you seem to have no problem allowing millions of foreigners into our Country even when our infrastructure is not up to speed, a Religion that if any more of it's followers come to our Country could start a civil war, yet you actually want more and more of both, their is a name for you two and if I posted it Kev would be signing me off, you have your views which are strange to say the least we have our views, the difference is we love our Country and want it to remain British, British Culture, British ways, British way of life, British Christian ways and Laws..


You say:
"But I will fight *to my last breath*" pity you can't show you would do the same for our Country....your favourite word "Racist", easy to call some one on here, not as easy to say it to the face....

"Racist" -- A Word Invented by USSR's Leon Trotsky and seconded by jimmyyellowbelly2 and mkielbear:

The word "racist" has for a long time been the single most effective fear-word in the leftist and non-conservative arsenal (ring any bells yet). For decades, they have successfully used it in the political arena to slander traditionalists,(tha

t's us) shut down debate, and leave opponents running for cover. In the social arena,(but not us) they have caused even more damage by using it to brainwash impressionable children and young college students, and to teach people to hate their nation, their cultural traditions, and worst of all, themselves. (now that sounds like you two) spot on....

What surprisingly remains almost totally un-discussed, even on the hard core traditionalist Right, is the word's origin. Did it come from a liberal sociologist? A 60's Marxist college professor? Perhaps a politician in the Democratic Party? No. It turns out that the word was invented by none other than one of the principal architects of the 74-year Soviet nightmare, the founder and first leader of the infamous Red Army, Leon Trotsky.....

So, Trotsky worshippers, you have an agenda similar to Islam.
.NOT GOING TO WORK HERE IN GREAT BRITAIN.....the Lions are awakening, not long before your kind will be dealt with....
What a lot of nonsense you spout.
I'm sitting here laughing at the gall of you.
You call yourself a patriot. I think you meant a parrot - you keep repeating yourself, and it made no sense the first time. Saying it over and over and over still makes it sound like you are copying random bits of writing from the internet and jumbling them all up in your posts.

Haven't you been following the papers? The war finished nearly 70 years ago. Britain doesn't have an Empire any more like you seem to think. The world has moved on. Women now have the vote. Get over it. Move with the times.

You haven't got a clue (a statement of the obvious I know). I love my country, I love my people. I love the values they have always had of tolerance, respect and community spirit. You make me ashamed. You don't have any of those values. Not one. You have a nasty narrow little agenda. You call yourself a Christian as well. Yeah, pull the other one. Have you any Christian values? No you don't. You preach hate, intolerance and supremacy of your values, your view of how life should be.
C'mon make today the day you open your eyes. Call your mate Doledicker and the 2 of you pop into Newport and hug someone from overseas. Give them a warm hug, and a kiss on both cheeks. And then give them a kiss on the cheeks on their face.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Jimmyyellowbelly2.mk aibear1 :::::PATRIOTISM IS NOT RACISM::::, Of cause this is not in you vocabulary, never practised it, never felt it, something you two know nothing about, the two of you, one Tory one Green, you seem to have no problem allowing millions of foreigners into our Country even when our infrastructure is not up to speed, a Religion that if any more of it's followers come to our Country could start a civil war, yet you actually want more and more of both, their is a name for you two and if I posted it Kev would be signing me off, you have your views which are strange to say the least we have our views, the difference is we love our Country and want it to remain British, British Culture, British ways, British way of life, British Christian ways and Laws.. You say: "But I will fight *to my last breath*" pity you can't show you would do the same for our Country....your favourite word "Racist", easy to call some one on here, not as easy to say it to the face.... "Racist" -- A Word Invented by USSR's Leon Trotsky and seconded by jimmyyellowbelly2 and mkielbear: The word "racist" has for a long time been the single most effective fear-word in the leftist and non-conservative arsenal (ring any bells yet). For decades, they have successfully used it in the political arena to slander traditionalists,(tha t's us) shut down debate, and leave opponents running for cover. In the social arena,(but not us) they have caused even more damage by using it to brainwash impressionable children and young college students, and to teach people to hate their nation, their cultural traditions, and worst of all, themselves. (now that sounds like you two) spot on.... What surprisingly remains almost totally un-discussed, even on the hard core traditionalist Right, is the word's origin. Did it come from a liberal sociologist? A 60's Marxist college professor? Perhaps a politician in the Democratic Party? No. It turns out that the word was invented by none other than one of the principal architects of the 74-year Soviet nightmare, the founder and first leader of the infamous Red Army, Leon Trotsky..... So, Trotsky worshippers, you have an agenda similar to Islam. .NOT GOING TO WORK HERE IN GREAT BRITAIN.....the Lions are awakening, not long before your kind will be dealt with....[/p][/quote]What a lot of nonsense you spout. I'm sitting here laughing at the gall of you. You call yourself a patriot. I think you meant a parrot - you keep repeating yourself, and it made no sense the first time. Saying it over and over and over still makes it sound like you are copying random bits of writing from the internet and jumbling them all up in your posts. Haven't you been following the papers? The war finished nearly 70 years ago. Britain doesn't have an Empire any more like you seem to think. The world has moved on. Women now have the vote. Get over it. Move with the times. You haven't got a clue (a statement of the obvious I know). I love my country, I love my people. I love the values they have always had of tolerance, respect and community spirit. You make me ashamed. You don't have any of those values. Not one. You have a nasty narrow little agenda. You call yourself a Christian as well. Yeah, pull the other one. Have you any Christian values? No you don't. You preach hate, intolerance and supremacy of your values, your view of how life should be. C'mon make today the day you open your eyes. Call your mate Doledicker and the 2 of you pop into Newport and hug someone from overseas. Give them a warm hug, and a kiss on both cheeks. And then give them a kiss on the cheeks on their face. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -2

10:26am Thu 31 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

Ah, so you *do* want to go down the finance route. Again. Given that you comprehensively lost that argument last time I'd've expected you to steer clear of it.

Here we go; Independent research has shown that despite the moneys paid out to immigrant families we are still making more money from immigrant families than they are costing us. Fact. You have claimed otherwise but shockingly, *shockingly* haven't been able to back up your claims, whereas I've given you chapter and verse about where to find the research I'm quoting.

As to the rest, as to the fact you want to impose your values on everyone - Britain is free. We are free from tyrants who want to control us, who want to tell us how to think, how to worship, how to be. You will never win and will never be able to change that, no matter how hard you try.
Ah, so you *do* want to go down the finance route. Again. Given that you comprehensively lost that argument last time I'd've expected you to steer clear of it. Here we go; Independent research has shown that despite the moneys paid out to immigrant families we are still making more money from immigrant families than they are costing us. Fact. You have claimed otherwise but shockingly, *shockingly* haven't been able to back up your claims, whereas I've given you chapter and verse about where to find the research I'm quoting. As to the rest, as to the fact you want to impose your values on everyone - Britain is free. We are free from tyrants who want to control us, who want to tell us how to think, how to worship, how to be. You will never win and will never be able to change that, no matter how hard you try. mkaibear1
  • Score: 0

12:11pm Thu 31 Jul 14

coalpicker says...

Howie' wrote:
Having read 'Welshmen' and 'Coalprickers's ' posts I think back to the 2010 Election, same debate and the BNP at the height of it's popularity only recorded a 1.8% vote of the electorate. since 2010 their support has tumbled but now they pin their hopes on the loons of UKIP which will get them nowhere. Most youngsters today get on with their classmates whatever their skin colour or religion. The Enoch Powell 'Rivers of Blood' scenario is not going to happen, history is not on your side and you are on the wrong side of today's generation. Won't stop you from sprouting your bile though.
Hi Howie You are right most youngster's do get on with their ethnic class mates but the fact of the preponderance of languages being spoken is driving down the quality of education in this country the problem confronting us is that a minority of pupils are being indoctrinated into the hate facet of Islam ,the irony being the British tax payer is funding this inevitable exercise of British destruction ,this very fact and it is a fact will ratify the Powell prophecy and there is no doubt in my mind that our great grand children will have to fight battles similar to the lunacy now raging around and throughout the Muslim world they will curse us for allowing not silencing the insidious clamour and weasel words of the Quislings hiding under the protection of the race card . Now I would appreciate this opportunity to address the
ethnic Huggi Bear whose strident calls of racist and equality
is not helping the worsening social conditions in our society Huggi old son to emphasize what your dream of equality has done in the land of the brave and the free ,Two of the greatest most prosperous industrial cities in the world brought into bankruptcy, Detroit and Gary Indiana,
African Americans and other ethnics migrated there and gradually because of their numbers took over the administration, result disaster,
ASK NOT FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS.
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: Having read 'Welshmen' and 'Coalprickers's ' posts I think back to the 2010 Election, same debate and the BNP at the height of it's popularity only recorded a 1.8% vote of the electorate. since 2010 their support has tumbled but now they pin their hopes on the loons of UKIP which will get them nowhere. Most youngsters today get on with their classmates whatever their skin colour or religion. The Enoch Powell 'Rivers of Blood' scenario is not going to happen, history is not on your side and you are on the wrong side of today's generation. Won't stop you from sprouting your bile though.[/p][/quote]Hi Howie You are right most youngster's do get on with their ethnic class mates but the fact of the preponderance of languages being spoken is driving down the quality of education in this country the problem confronting us is that a minority of pupils are being indoctrinated into the hate facet of Islam ,the irony being the British tax payer is funding this inevitable exercise of British destruction ,this very fact and it is a fact will ratify the Powell prophecy and there is no doubt in my mind that our great grand children will have to fight battles similar to the lunacy now raging around and throughout the Muslim world they will curse us for allowing not silencing the insidious clamour and weasel words of the Quislings hiding under the protection of the race card . Now I would appreciate this opportunity to address the ethnic Huggi Bear whose strident calls of racist and equality is not helping the worsening social conditions in our society Huggi old son to emphasize what your dream of equality has done in the land of the brave and the free ,Two of the greatest most prosperous industrial cities in the world brought into bankruptcy, Detroit and Gary Indiana, African Americans and other ethnics migrated there and gradually because of their numbers took over the administration, result disaster, ASK NOT FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS. coalpicker
  • Score: -1

12:38pm Thu 31 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

Oh good grief, you're complaining about the quality of language education? Pot calling the kettle black I feel.

Your racist rants ("other ethnics"? really?) have no bearing on reality.

Detroit collapsed because the car industry they were reliant on slumped. Gary, Indiana collapsed because the steel industry they were reliant on slumped. Nothing to do with race and to claim otherwise is specious at best. Your vile polemics are unfounded and based on a view of history that is entirely fictitious.

Keep enjoying your free speech which was paid for by the blood of our forefathers, who fought to defeat those who wanted to control people's lives, beliefs and actions. Keep enjoying the freedom of speech which enables you to spout your nonsense - because no matter how hard you try you will be unable to stop us from having that freedom of speech.

I do find it somewhat puzzling that someone who claims to support British values would want to take away people's rights to free speech, free assembly, the right to protest, the right to disagree, the right to worship how you choose, think how you choose. Isn't that exactly what those Muslims who want to introduce Sharia law want to happen? How does it feel knowing that, at base level, you are no different than them?
Oh good grief, you're complaining about the quality of language education? Pot calling the kettle black I feel. Your racist rants ("other ethnics"? really?) have no bearing on reality. Detroit collapsed because the car industry they were reliant on slumped. Gary, Indiana collapsed because the steel industry they were reliant on slumped. Nothing to do with race and to claim otherwise is specious at best. Your vile polemics are unfounded and based on a view of history that is entirely fictitious. Keep enjoying your free speech which was paid for by the blood of our forefathers, who fought to defeat those who wanted to control people's lives, beliefs and actions. Keep enjoying the freedom of speech which enables you to spout your nonsense - because no matter how hard you try you will be unable to stop us from having that freedom of speech. I do find it somewhat puzzling that someone who claims to support British values would want to take away people's rights to free speech, free assembly, the right to protest, the right to disagree, the right to worship how you choose, think how you choose. Isn't that exactly what those Muslims who want to introduce Sharia law want to happen? How does it feel knowing that, at base level, you are no different than them? mkaibear1
  • Score: 0

1:00pm Thu 31 Jul 14

welshmen says...

Howie' wrote:
Having read 'Welshmen' and 'Coalprickers's ' posts I think back to the 2010 Election, same debate and the BNP at the height of it's popularity only recorded a 1.8% vote of the electorate. since 2010 their support has tumbled but now they pin their hopes on the loons of UKIP which will get them nowhere. Most youngsters today get on with their classmates whatever their skin colour or religion. The Enoch Powell 'Rivers of Blood' scenario is not going to happen, history is not on your side and you are on the wrong side of today's generation. Won't stop you from sprouting your bile though.
Howie's Hero....

Tower Hamlets's Muslim mayor Lutfur Rahman sparked a storm of protest tonight after raising the Palestinian flag over the town hall ‘in solidarity with Gaza’.

Barely 24 hours after it emerged Mr Rahman is to face trial over claims he committed widespread voting fraud, he ordered the flag to fly ‘in support of a ceasefire and peace’.

Jewish leaders condemned the move as 'destructive' for community relations as local residents said the council should concentrate on potholes and bins' and not international conflicts.

Tower Hamlets Mayor Lutfur Rahman tweeted this photo of the Palestinian flag flying outside the town hall
The controversial politician said he had taken the decision to fly the flag in solidarity with Gaza¿

Mr Lutfur said he had taken the decision to fly the flag ‘in solidarity with Gaza’ but Tory party chairman Grant Shapps condemned the 'empty, flag-waving gesture politics'

Mr Rahman was a member of the Tower Hamlets Labour Party and was its candidate to be the first directly elected mayor of the borough in 2010, but he was expelled from the Labour party after allegations surfaced about his close links with an Islamic extremist group called the Islamic Forum of Europe, he is accused of using illegal tactics to win the mayoral election in Tower Hamlets, East London, in May.....Good Trotsky Comrade....
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: Having read 'Welshmen' and 'Coalprickers's ' posts I think back to the 2010 Election, same debate and the BNP at the height of it's popularity only recorded a 1.8% vote of the electorate. since 2010 their support has tumbled but now they pin their hopes on the loons of UKIP which will get them nowhere. Most youngsters today get on with their classmates whatever their skin colour or religion. The Enoch Powell 'Rivers of Blood' scenario is not going to happen, history is not on your side and you are on the wrong side of today's generation. Won't stop you from sprouting your bile though.[/p][/quote]Howie's Hero.... Tower Hamlets's Muslim mayor Lutfur Rahman sparked a storm of protest tonight after raising the Palestinian flag over the town hall ‘in solidarity with Gaza’. Barely 24 hours after it emerged Mr Rahman is to face trial over claims he committed widespread voting fraud, he ordered the flag to fly ‘in support of a ceasefire and peace’. Jewish leaders condemned the move as 'destructive' for community relations as local residents said the council should concentrate on potholes and bins' and not international conflicts. Tower Hamlets Mayor Lutfur Rahman tweeted this photo of the Palestinian flag flying outside the town hall The controversial politician said he had taken the decision to fly the flag in solidarity with Gaza¿ Mr Lutfur said he had taken the decision to fly the flag ‘in solidarity with Gaza’ but Tory party chairman Grant Shapps condemned the 'empty, flag-waving gesture politics' Mr Rahman was a member of the Tower Hamlets Labour Party and was its candidate to be the first directly elected mayor of the borough in 2010, but he was expelled from the Labour party after allegations surfaced about his close links with an Islamic extremist group called the Islamic Forum of Europe, he is accused of using illegal tactics to win the mayoral election in Tower Hamlets, East London, in May.....Good Trotsky Comrade.... welshmen
  • Score: -1

1:31pm Thu 31 Jul 14

welshmen says...

welshmen wrote:
Howie' wrote:
Having read 'Welshmen' and 'Coalprickers's ' posts I think back to the 2010 Election, same debate and the BNP at the height of it's popularity only recorded a 1.8% vote of the electorate. since 2010 their support has tumbled but now they pin their hopes on the loons of UKIP which will get them nowhere. Most youngsters today get on with their classmates whatever their skin colour or religion. The Enoch Powell 'Rivers of Blood' scenario is not going to happen, history is not on your side and you are on the wrong side of today's generation. Won't stop you from sprouting your bile though.
Howie's Hero....

Tower Hamlets's Muslim mayor Lutfur Rahman sparked a storm of protest tonight after raising the Palestinian flag over the town hall ‘in solidarity with Gaza’.

Barely 24 hours after it emerged Mr Rahman is to face trial over claims he committed widespread voting fraud, he ordered the flag to fly ‘in support of a ceasefire and peace’.

Jewish leaders condemned the move as 'destructive' for community relations as local residents said the council should concentrate on potholes and bins' and not international conflicts.

Tower Hamlets Mayor Lutfur Rahman tweeted this photo of the Palestinian flag flying outside the town hall
The controversial politician said he had taken the decision to fly the flag in solidarity with Gaza¿

Mr Lutfur said he had taken the decision to fly the flag ‘in solidarity with Gaza’ but Tory party chairman Grant Shapps condemned the 'empty, flag-waving gesture politics'

Mr Rahman was a member of the Tower Hamlets Labour Party and was its candidate to be the first directly elected mayor of the borough in 2010, but he was expelled from the Labour party after allegations surfaced about his close links with an Islamic extremist group called the Islamic Forum of Europe, he is accused of using illegal tactics to win the mayoral election in Tower Hamlets, East London, in May.....Good Trotsky Comrade....
Free Country a Howie, get this on line and read some of the posts, when there's more, this will be an every day occurrence.

Racist Star City Shopping Centre in Birmingham has BANNED all non Muslims from entering until the end of EID.
Why is this allowed? Isn't this blatant discrimination against non Muslims.
What do you think would happen if Muslims were refused entry to shops and restaurants?
Here are a couple of screen shots from the Star City Facebook page, as you can see people really aren't happy about this.
Please share this so people can see what's happening in Britain today.....This is the Trotsky way, and Howies way....
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: Having read 'Welshmen' and 'Coalprickers's ' posts I think back to the 2010 Election, same debate and the BNP at the height of it's popularity only recorded a 1.8% vote of the electorate. since 2010 their support has tumbled but now they pin their hopes on the loons of UKIP which will get them nowhere. Most youngsters today get on with their classmates whatever their skin colour or religion. The Enoch Powell 'Rivers of Blood' scenario is not going to happen, history is not on your side and you are on the wrong side of today's generation. Won't stop you from sprouting your bile though.[/p][/quote]Howie's Hero.... Tower Hamlets's Muslim mayor Lutfur Rahman sparked a storm of protest tonight after raising the Palestinian flag over the town hall ‘in solidarity with Gaza’. Barely 24 hours after it emerged Mr Rahman is to face trial over claims he committed widespread voting fraud, he ordered the flag to fly ‘in support of a ceasefire and peace’. Jewish leaders condemned the move as 'destructive' for community relations as local residents said the council should concentrate on potholes and bins' and not international conflicts. Tower Hamlets Mayor Lutfur Rahman tweeted this photo of the Palestinian flag flying outside the town hall The controversial politician said he had taken the decision to fly the flag in solidarity with Gaza¿ Mr Lutfur said he had taken the decision to fly the flag ‘in solidarity with Gaza’ but Tory party chairman Grant Shapps condemned the 'empty, flag-waving gesture politics' Mr Rahman was a member of the Tower Hamlets Labour Party and was its candidate to be the first directly elected mayor of the borough in 2010, but he was expelled from the Labour party after allegations surfaced about his close links with an Islamic extremist group called the Islamic Forum of Europe, he is accused of using illegal tactics to win the mayoral election in Tower Hamlets, East London, in May.....Good Trotsky Comrade....[/p][/quote]Free Country a Howie, get this on line and read some of the posts, when there's more, this will be an every day occurrence. Racist Star City Shopping Centre in Birmingham has BANNED all non Muslims from entering until the end of EID. Why is this allowed? Isn't this blatant discrimination against non Muslims. What do you think would happen if Muslims were refused entry to shops and restaurants? Here are a couple of screen shots from the Star City Facebook page, as you can see people really aren't happy about this. Please share this so people can see what's happening in Britain today.....This is the Trotsky way, and Howies way.... welshmen
  • Score: -2

1:42pm Thu 31 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

>Star City

Yeah, this would be a lie, the usual propaganda as expected from the far right. Shame so many people have been taken in by it.
>Star City Yeah, this would be a lie, the usual propaganda as expected from the far right. Shame so many people have been taken in by it. mkaibear1
  • Score: 0

2:28pm Thu 31 Jul 14

mkaibear1 says...

30 seconds of research and no news organisation (at all) has mentioned anything about it yet. Not even the Daily Mail.

Just some posts on far-right websites and on the area's facebook page.

Still, assuming a formal complaint has been made to the police (odd that no-one seems to have done so, wonder why that is?) they will investigate and if the law has been broken they'll be fined or closed down. Just as if it were a business breaking the law by excluding Christians. Or the Christian business breaking the law by excluding gay people.
30 seconds of research and no news organisation (at all) has mentioned anything about it yet. Not even the Daily Mail. Just some posts on far-right websites and on the area's facebook page. Still, assuming a formal complaint has been made to the police (odd that no-one seems to have done so, wonder why that is?) they will investigate and if the law has been broken they'll be fined or closed down. Just as if it were a business breaking the law by excluding Christians. Or the Christian business breaking the law by excluding gay people. mkaibear1
  • Score: 0

5:10pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Howie' says...

welshmen wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Howie' wrote:
Having read 'Welshmen' and 'Coalprickers's ' posts I think back to the 2010 Election, same debate and the BNP at the height of it's popularity only recorded a 1.8% vote of the electorate. since 2010 their support has tumbled but now they pin their hopes on the loons of UKIP which will get them nowhere. Most youngsters today get on with their classmates whatever their skin colour or religion. The Enoch Powell 'Rivers of Blood' scenario is not going to happen, history is not on your side and you are on the wrong side of today's generation. Won't stop you from sprouting your bile though.
Howie's Hero....

Tower Hamlets's Muslim mayor Lutfur Rahman sparked a storm of protest tonight after raising the Palestinian flag over the town hall ‘in solidarity with Gaza’.

Barely 24 hours after it emerged Mr Rahman is to face trial over claims he committed widespread voting fraud, he ordered the flag to fly ‘in support of a ceasefire and peace’.

Jewish leaders condemned the move as 'destructive' for community relations as local residents said the council should concentrate on potholes and bins' and not international conflicts.

Tower Hamlets Mayor Lutfur Rahman tweeted this photo of the Palestinian flag flying outside the town hall
The controversial politician said he had taken the decision to fly the flag in solidarity with Gaza¿

Mr Lutfur said he had taken the decision to fly the flag ‘in solidarity with Gaza’ but Tory party chairman Grant Shapps condemned the 'empty, flag-waving gesture politics'

Mr Rahman was a member of the Tower Hamlets Labour Party and was its candidate to be the first directly elected mayor of the borough in 2010, but he was expelled from the Labour party after allegations surfaced about his close links with an Islamic extremist group called the Islamic Forum of Europe, he is accused of using illegal tactics to win the mayoral election in Tower Hamlets, East London, in May.....Good Trotsky Comrade....
Free Country a Howie, get this on line and read some of the posts, when there's more, this will be an every day occurrence.

Racist Star City Shopping Centre in Birmingham has BANNED all non Muslims from entering until the end of EID.
Why is this allowed? Isn't this blatant discrimination against non Muslims.
What do you think would happen if Muslims were refused entry to shops and restaurants?
Here are a couple of screen shots from the Star City Facebook page, as you can see people really aren't happy about this.
Please share this so people can see what's happening in Britain today.....This is the Trotsky way, and Howies way....
Oh dear welshboy, what are you doing making up story's on the hoof? Is that little brain of yours overdosing on BNP/UKIP propaganda? or do you just believe any old tripe that you read on these right wing racist sites?

This from the Birmingham Mail:

In response to a number of calls and messages regarding restrictions to entry at Star City, the management has released this statement.

“During the busiest times, some visitors have been turned away and there has been some disappointment for some, for which we apologise.

“However, there is simply no truth in the recent allegations, the nature of which has no place at Star City.”
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: Having read 'Welshmen' and 'Coalprickers's ' posts I think back to the 2010 Election, same debate and the BNP at the height of it's popularity only recorded a 1.8% vote of the electorate. since 2010 their support has tumbled but now they pin their hopes on the loons of UKIP which will get them nowhere. Most youngsters today get on with their classmates whatever their skin colour or religion. The Enoch Powell 'Rivers of Blood' scenario is not going to happen, history is not on your side and you are on the wrong side of today's generation. Won't stop you from sprouting your bile though.[/p][/quote]Howie's Hero.... Tower Hamlets's Muslim mayor Lutfur Rahman sparked a storm of protest tonight after raising the Palestinian flag over the town hall ‘in solidarity with Gaza’. Barely 24 hours after it emerged Mr Rahman is to face trial over claims he committed widespread voting fraud, he ordered the flag to fly ‘in support of a ceasefire and peace’. Jewish leaders condemned the move as 'destructive' for community relations as local residents said the council should concentrate on potholes and bins' and not international conflicts. Tower Hamlets Mayor Lutfur Rahman tweeted this photo of the Palestinian flag flying outside the town hall The controversial politician said he had taken the decision to fly the flag in solidarity with Gaza¿ Mr Lutfur said he had taken the decision to fly the flag ‘in solidarity with Gaza’ but Tory party chairman Grant Shapps condemned the 'empty, flag-waving gesture politics' Mr Rahman was a member of the Tower Hamlets Labour Party and was its candidate to be the first directly elected mayor of the borough in 2010, but he was expelled from the Labour party after allegations surfaced about his close links with an Islamic extremist group called the Islamic Forum of Europe, he is accused of using illegal tactics to win the mayoral election in Tower Hamlets, East London, in May.....Good Trotsky Comrade....[/p][/quote]Free Country a Howie, get this on line and read some of the posts, when there's more, this will be an every day occurrence. Racist Star City Shopping Centre in Birmingham has BANNED all non Muslims from entering until the end of EID. Why is this allowed? Isn't this blatant discrimination against non Muslims. What do you think would happen if Muslims were refused entry to shops and restaurants? Here are a couple of screen shots from the Star City Facebook page, as you can see people really aren't happy about this. Please share this so people can see what's happening in Britain today.....This is the Trotsky way, and Howies way....[/p][/quote]Oh dear welshboy, what are you doing making up story's on the hoof? Is that little brain of yours overdosing on BNP/UKIP propaganda? or do you just believe any old tripe that you read on these right wing racist sites? This from the Birmingham Mail: In response to a number of calls and messages regarding restrictions to entry at Star City, the management has released this statement. “During the busiest times, some visitors have been turned away and there has been some disappointment for some, for which we apologise. “However, there is simply no truth in the recent allegations, the nature of which has no place at Star City.” Howie'
  • Score: 1

8:43pm Thu 31 Jul 14

welshmen says...

Didn't try the Mirror then....your Trotsky paper....

Vue apologises after families 'barred from cinema for not being MUSLIM'

Jul 31, 2014 17:22 By Patrick Mulchrone
The Birmingham site bosses promise investigation as customers claim they were turned away because they weren't celebrating Islamic festival Eid

General view of Star City in Birmingham, England.
VIEW GALLERY
Furious cinemagoers say were turned away from a busy Vue complex because they weren't Muslim.

Leon Jennings, 22, had been visiting Birmingham's Star City entertainment complex with two other friends.

But as he tried to enter the Vue Cinema on the site, which includes dozens of bars and licenced restaurants, he said he was turned away by a burly security guard.

Asked why, shocked Leon says he was told by staff the films showing were only for couples and families celebrating the end of Islamic festival Eid.

Vue Cinemas have apologised and promised an investigation.

Movies available a the time in the 25-screen, 5,000 seat complex included included Inbetweeners 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, Hercules, The Nut Job and How to train your Dragon 2.

SWNSGeneral view of Star City in Birmingham, England.General view of Star City in Birmingham, England.
Leon says he and and his two pals were forced to turn around and go home - because "they did not look like they celebrated Eid" and were left feeling embarrassed and discriminated against for being white.

The viewing consultant at a photography studio, from Sutton Coldfield, Birmingham, said: "I was going there with my pals to the cinema as it was Orange Wednesday and you get two for one.

"As we drove in the bloke on the gate said to us 'not tonight guys, it's couples and families only'.

"We thought he was joking and went and parked up. We tried to get into the cinema and the security guy stopped us from going in.

"He said we couldn't go in because it was only couples and families celebrating Eid."

SWNSLeon Jennings, 22, is pictured at Star City in Birmingham, England.Furious: Leon Jennings, 22,at Star City in Birmingham
"I tried to point out that there were loads of groups lads who were Asian being allowed in but that made no difference.

"He said to us we didn't look like we were celebrating Eid. He was making assumptions about my religion and banning me based on my skin colour. "

"It's not like we are trouble makers, we are mature, all dressed respectably and just wanted to go see a film.

"It will just be seen as blatant racism. You have to admit that if it was done for Christmas there would be uproar.

"I also know about Eid. It is supposed to be a festival of togetherness and welcoming, no one should be turned away. The only thing this is going to cause is problems in the communities."

SWNSGeneral view of Star City in Birmingham, England.Controversy: The Star City cinema
A Facebook page set up to call for a boycott of Star City has already gained over 800 likes on the social network.

Other web-users reported similar experiences on Wednesday - which marked the end of Ramadan, where Muslims fast for a month.

Emma Noakes wrote on Facebook: "My friends family have just been refused entry at VUE cinema as they are not Muslim this is a shocking disgrace. If the shoe was on the other foot there would be uproar. Can you imagine banning all Muslims to star city because it's Christmas.

"This was a lady and her 11 yr old son trying to watch a film in the school holidays. I for one will never use the facilities of star city again. Very disappointing and how they are allowed to get away with this is appalling."

Zara Marie Smart wrote on Vue Cinema Star City's Facebook page: "Got turned away from here today for 'not being Muslim' I kid you not! will never ever return here and will make everyone aware of the discrimination and humiliation we faced today!"

A spokesman for Vue cinemas apologised.

He said: "We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused to our guests who tried to gain access to our Birmingham Star City cinema.

"As a company we welcome customers from all religious and cultural backgrounds. We are investigating this directly with the Star City management team as a matter of urgency."

Star City said they were not aware of any of incidents of people being turned away on ground of religion taking place....
Didn't try the Mirror then....your Trotsky paper.... Vue apologises after families 'barred from cinema for not being MUSLIM' Jul 31, 2014 17:22 By Patrick Mulchrone The Birmingham site bosses promise investigation as customers claim they were turned away because they weren't celebrating Islamic festival Eid General view of Star City in Birmingham, England. VIEW GALLERY Furious cinemagoers say were turned away from a busy Vue complex because they weren't Muslim. Leon Jennings, 22, had been visiting Birmingham's Star City entertainment complex with two other friends. But as he tried to enter the Vue Cinema on the site, which includes dozens of bars and licenced restaurants, he said he was turned away by a burly security guard. Asked why, shocked Leon says he was told by staff the films showing were only for couples and families celebrating the end of Islamic festival Eid. Vue Cinemas have apologised and promised an investigation. Movies available a the time in the 25-screen, 5,000 seat complex included included Inbetweeners 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, Hercules, The Nut Job and How to train your Dragon 2. SWNSGeneral view of Star City in Birmingham, England.General view of Star City in Birmingham, England. Leon says he and and his two pals were forced to turn around and go home - because "they did not look like they celebrated Eid" and were left feeling embarrassed and discriminated against for being white. The viewing consultant at a photography studio, from Sutton Coldfield, Birmingham, said: "I was going there with my pals to the cinema as it was Orange Wednesday and you get two for one. "As we drove in the bloke on the gate said to us 'not tonight guys, it's couples and families only'. "We thought he was joking and went and parked up. We tried to get into the cinema and the security guy stopped us from going in. "He said we couldn't go in because it was only couples and families celebrating Eid." SWNSLeon Jennings, 22, is pictured at Star City in Birmingham, England.Furious: Leon Jennings, 22,at Star City in Birmingham "I tried to point out that there were loads of groups lads who were Asian being allowed in but that made no difference. "He said to us we didn't look like we were celebrating Eid. He was making assumptions about my religion and banning me based on my skin colour. " "It's not like we are trouble makers, we are mature, all dressed respectably and just wanted to go see a film. "It will just be seen as blatant racism. You have to admit that if it was done for Christmas there would be uproar. "I also know about Eid. It is supposed to be a festival of togetherness and welcoming, no one should be turned away. The only thing this is going to cause is problems in the communities." SWNSGeneral view of Star City in Birmingham, England.Controversy: The Star City cinema A Facebook page set up to call for a boycott of Star City has already gained over 800 likes on the social network. Other web-users reported similar experiences on Wednesday - which marked the end of Ramadan, where Muslims fast for a month. Emma Noakes wrote on Facebook: "My friends family have just been refused entry at VUE cinema as they are not Muslim this is a shocking disgrace. If the shoe was on the other foot there would be uproar. Can you imagine banning all Muslims to star city because it's Christmas. "This was a lady and her 11 yr old son trying to watch a film in the school holidays. I for one will never use the facilities of star city again. Very disappointing and how they are allowed to get away with this is appalling." Zara Marie Smart wrote on Vue Cinema Star City's Facebook page: "Got turned away from here today for 'not being Muslim' I kid you not! will never ever return here and will make everyone aware of the discrimination and humiliation we faced today!" A spokesman for Vue cinemas apologised. He said: "We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused to our guests who tried to gain access to our Birmingham Star City cinema. "As a company we welcome customers from all religious and cultural backgrounds. We are investigating this directly with the Star City management team as a matter of urgency." Star City said they were not aware of any of incidents of people being turned away on ground of religion taking place.... welshmen
  • Score: -1

3:25pm Fri 1 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Trotsky's to teach people to hate their nation, their cultural traditions, and worst of all, themselves.

Pasted this from Patriot's web site
Fact and stats – how beneficial is Immigration?

Fri, 01/08/2014 - 05:00 Quote: “In the period 1997 to 2013 the British working people have been portrayed as lazy, uneducated, unskilled and inferior in many ways to support the mass import of foreign labour into this country. Our political leaders and major employers assert it is vital to our economic interest that we import the ‘Talent’ and ‘Enterprise’ that British workers cannot provide. Academic studies endorse this position, informing the British people that this rapid influx of foreign workers has been a positive benefit to the economy. In short the pathway to economic and social prosperity is to replace British workers with foreign labour and we can all sit back and live in a wonderful, cohesive, prosperous society!”

Here are some interesting figures from the period 1997-2013:

• Net immigration quadrupled under Labour, from 50,000 to a staggering 200,000+

• Estimates suggest ILLEGAL immigrants could number 1million

• 75% of the jobs created have gone to foreign-born workers

• 80% of the foreign citizens are from outside the EU (1997-2009)

• Conservative estimates suggest 24,000 foreign citizens arrive every month

• An estimated 141,000 Romanians and Bulgarians have arrived in the UK since the start of 2014

• Estimates suggest a further 250,000 may arrive over the next 5 years!

• Politicians estimated 15,000 Polish people would come in 2004?

• There are currently 2.7 million Muslims in the UK, projected to rise to over 5million in just twenty years, with major cities including London and Birmingham having a Muslim majority within the next 15 years

• 660,000 workers born outside the UK had taken low skilled British jobs in 2011

• There were 223,000 fewer British workers in the UK than a decade ago, while the number of foreign-born workers rose by 1.7million!

It may be a productive exercise to churn out current UK figures (from 2013) but far more relevant to look at what is being said in the mainstream press and academic reports about the Immigration issue:

1. “It’s surprising that the contribution of immigrants has been positive – and quite dramatically so.”

– Professor Christian Dustmann (2013)

2. “Immigration from Poland and other countries has benefited the UK Economy.”

– European Commissioner Laszlo Andor (2013)

3. “Britain is not only losing the war for global talent, it is scarcely competing.”

– The Economist (2013)

4. “Immigrant workers are vital for the UK’s economy.”

– Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Director’s (2013)

5. “Foreign born workers will often be picked instead of British educated workers because low standards in the UK educational system mean that foreign workers are better educated.”

– Simon Walker (2013)

From the above quotes, it appears that political leaders in Britain and industry bosses have reached a consensus in favour of this Immigration ‘Success Strategy’. Since 1997 there has been a huge effort to convince the British people that everyone will prosper as we welcome this ‘fantastic’ mix of foreign workers into our needy, backward country.

Those that thought otherwise and were foolish enough to speak out were quickly castigated as ‘racist’ or worse. In fact anyone that questioned what was happening was dismissed and labelled a loony!

In the midst of this state run brainwashing, I would like to point out that the truth is out there and the British people need to see it!

Let’s look at an alternative view of this Immigration dogma and see what others have to say about this. Dare we question our political leaders and our mighty directors?

“Falling real wages have increased relative poverty.”

– Tejvan Pettinger. (2013)

6. “However, it is also right that Cameron should concern himself with deteriorating community relations in places like Sheffield-.”

– Sarah Wollaston. The Guardian (2013)

7. “During the same period, the number of British- born workers in those sectors has fallen from 3.04 million to 2.56 million.

– Daily Mail Reporter. (May 2011)

8. “The British political class has always encouraged the belief that Britain could have high levels of immigration without damaging the traditional social fabric.”

– Vincent Cooper. (September 2013)

9. “The number of foreign nationals claiming benefits such as Jobseekers Allowance has jumped by 40% in just four years to more than 400,000-”

– Barrett & Goldhill. (2013)

10. “He added the plan would do nothing to stop an unrestricted flow of a very large number of unskilled people coming into Britain—”

– Nigel Farage, UKIP (2012)

11. “Last week the UK’s Immigration Minister tried to calm the rising agitation about migrants arriving in the New Year”

– Gavin Hewitt, BBC News (2013)

12. “The new migrants will be hungry for jobs, and are bound to price some British workers out of the market. They will have the right to use our schools and NHS, which are already creaking. They will need housing and welfare benefits.”

– Peter Oborne. Telegraph (2013)

13. “People didn’t believe the authorities knew what they were doing and there’s a very good reason for that-they didn’t.”

– Phil Woolas, Immigration Minister (2008)

14. “The available evidence suggests that immigration has had a small negative impact on the lowest paid workers in the UK.”

– House of Lords select Committee on Economic Affairs. (2008)

15. “Some senior politicians admit privately that Britain’s immigration policy is disastrous.”

– The Economist. Immigration: The Tories barmiest policy. (2013)

It is fascinating to see that there are many intelligent people prepared to raise serious questions about Immigration into Britain with many declaring it a shambolic mess!

The open door policy implemented by Labour between 1997 and 2009 has never been closed. Cameron and Clegg bleat on about how tough they are on the issue, but the reality is very different. Neither raised concerns about what was happening in the past and both parties are taking orders from Brussels which is overseeing the swamping of Britain with immigrants!

It might be pertinent to ask what has been done since Mr Europe (Tony Blair) disappeared into his personal empire and took on his farcical title as Middle East Peace Envoy? The stark answer is that both the Conservative and Liberal leaders have done very little and promote interests far removed from those of the British worker.

We are fast approaching the point where we need to really scrutinise and weigh up the ‘benefits’ of their Immigration policy.

Let’s see what Great Britain has gained from this influx of foreign workers and let’s search for tangible proof that British workers could not have filled the ‘skills void’ that so many economic experts prattle on about.

Key Questions and Answers

1. Is it true that foreign workers are highly skilled and only take jobs that British workers are not able/educated to do?

No evidence to support this at all. Some 500,000 to 600,000 jobs have been taken by foreign workers that are low skilled.

2. Is it true that many of the young foreign workers coming here are more educated than their British counterparts?

Very misleading to suggest this! This ignores the fact that the UK currently has a surplus of young people with high level qualifications (A/Degree level).

3. Has the UK Economy become more dynamic and productive due to the import of foreign labour since 1997?

No evidence to support this. Recent studies suggest that foreign workers are contributing to the economy but do not address the issue that British workers could be doing these jobs.

4. Have UK wages and the standard of living rose due to the arrival of 2million foreign people? No.

There is evidence to suggest that workers at the lowest income levels are being replaced by foreign labour and wages are falling. Furthermore real wages have fallen back to 2003 levels so there is clearly no improvement in real wages due to immigration.

5. Has the British Government the power to limit the number of workers from EU countries. No.

6. Has the UK Government created a coherent, lucid plan to stop companies employing foreign workers when clearly they are non essential? No.

7. Would it be fair to say that all three main political parties have shown total incompetence in managing the Immigration Policy for this country? Yes.

8. Have any of our main political parties decided to end this import of unskilled labour. No.

9. Do any of the major studies into the costs of foreign workers assess their real cost to the British taxpayer? No. What has it cost to bring 2 or 3million plus people into this country when the economy is stagnant, wages are falling and welfare costs are rising? In simple terms nobody ever talks about the true costs, in terms, for example of education, housing, welfare, social etc.

Quote. “The British Economy does need to welcome foreign workers where there are recognised skill shortages/designated needs. This has always been sensible and necessary for the effective running of our economy. In the period 1997-2013 this functional order has been replaced by a system that simply imports labour without regard to national need or benefit.”

Summary

1. It is a fallacy to say that there has been any real benefit to the British Economy from uncontrolled, mass immigration in the period 1997-2013.

2.The three main political parties have produced this mess and want to brainwash the British People that we are all living in a better society due to this tide of immigration.

3.Those who seek to cultivate the idea that the British worker is lazy, poorly educated and cannot compete with the foreign worker are simply living in fantasy land.

4.There are numerous examples of UK companies replacing British workers with foreign workers and they seek to blame our educational system for this policy of betrayal.

5. Employers are using cheap foreign labour to reduce real wages in many sectors of our economy.

6. If our economy is capable of taking in large numbers of foreign workers then why do we have 2.5 million of our own people unemployed? The argument that these foreign workers are bringing skills and talent we do not possess is an insult to our own people. The truth is far simpler. Many employers seek to employ foreign workers as they will accept terms and conditions that will take the average worker back to the dark ages!

7. Our Society has always welcomed foreign people but since 1997 this country has been subjected to a social experiment that no sane person can regard as fair or justified. Have the British People been asked about this policy? No!

Can anyone see how this policy has improved our society? No!

Have the British people been misled and ignored by their political leaders? Yes!

8. Would it make sense to limit all future foreign migration to the UK? Yes of course!

9. Should we decide our own needs with regard to immigration? Yes!

10. Should we tell Europe that we intend to control our own labour market? Yes, now!

11. Plan a National Labour Strategy. (What do we need for economic development by sector and import labour accordingly?)

I have a few more things to say:

• It is not racist or right wing to talk about immigration as a problem or issue.

• The scale of immigration over the period 1997-2013 has the potential to de-stabilise the identity of this great nation.

• The British worker is not the problem if we want to talk about skill gaps or productivity (incompetent leaders always blame the workers). “Poor workers have never shut a factory but poor management is a guarantee of closure.”

• The political leaders of this country have failed to protect the British worker and this remains the case today.

• The UK is full of talented, gifted people. What we need to do is recognise this and get them into work. Why on Earth are we flooding our economy with foreign workers?

• British workers built an empire that the rest of the world could only marvel at. I think it is time to do this again with British workers. not the Trotsky way the British way...
Trotsky's to teach people to hate their nation, their cultural traditions, and worst of all, themselves. Pasted this from Patriot's web site Fact and stats – how beneficial is Immigration? Fri, 01/08/2014 - 05:00 Quote: “In the period 1997 to 2013 the British working people have been portrayed as lazy, uneducated, unskilled and inferior in many ways to support the mass import of foreign labour into this country. Our political leaders and major employers assert it is vital to our economic interest that we import the ‘Talent’ and ‘Enterprise’ that British workers cannot provide. Academic studies endorse this position, informing the British people that this rapid influx of foreign workers has been a positive benefit to the economy. In short the pathway to economic and social prosperity is to replace British workers with foreign labour and we can all sit back and live in a wonderful, cohesive, prosperous society!” Here are some interesting figures from the period 1997-2013: • Net immigration quadrupled under Labour, from 50,000 to a staggering 200,000+ • Estimates suggest ILLEGAL immigrants could number 1million • 75% of the jobs created have gone to foreign-born workers • 80% of the foreign citizens are from outside the EU (1997-2009) • Conservative estimates suggest 24,000 foreign citizens arrive every month • An estimated 141,000 Romanians and Bulgarians have arrived in the UK since the start of 2014 • Estimates suggest a further 250,000 may arrive over the next 5 years! • Politicians estimated 15,000 Polish people would come in 2004? • There are currently 2.7 million Muslims in the UK, projected to rise to over 5million in just twenty years, with major cities including London and Birmingham having a Muslim majority within the next 15 years • 660,000 workers born outside the UK had taken low skilled British jobs in 2011 • There were 223,000 fewer British workers in the UK than a decade ago, while the number of foreign-born workers rose by 1.7million! It may be a productive exercise to churn out current UK figures (from 2013) but far more relevant to look at what is being said in the mainstream press and academic reports about the Immigration issue: 1. “It’s surprising that the contribution of immigrants has been positive – and quite dramatically so.” – Professor Christian Dustmann (2013) 2. “Immigration from Poland and other countries has benefited the UK Economy.” – European Commissioner Laszlo Andor (2013) 3. “Britain is not only losing the war for global talent, it is scarcely competing.” – The Economist (2013) 4. “Immigrant workers are vital for the UK’s economy.” – Simon Walker, Director General of the Institute of Director’s (2013) 5. “Foreign born workers will often be picked instead of British educated workers because low standards in the UK educational system mean that foreign workers are better educated.” – Simon Walker (2013) From the above quotes, it appears that political leaders in Britain and industry bosses have reached a consensus in favour of this Immigration ‘Success Strategy’. Since 1997 there has been a huge effort to convince the British people that everyone will prosper as we welcome this ‘fantastic’ mix of foreign workers into our needy, backward country. Those that thought otherwise and were foolish enough to speak out were quickly castigated as ‘racist’ or worse. In fact anyone that questioned what was happening was dismissed and labelled a loony! In the midst of this state run brainwashing, I would like to point out that the truth is out there and the British people need to see it! Let’s look at an alternative view of this Immigration dogma and see what others have to say about this. Dare we question our political leaders and our mighty directors? “Falling real wages have increased relative poverty.” – Tejvan Pettinger. (2013) 6. “However, it is also right that Cameron should concern himself with deteriorating community relations in places like Sheffield-.” – Sarah Wollaston. The Guardian (2013) 7. “During the same period, the number of British- born workers in those sectors has fallen from 3.04 million to 2.56 million. – Daily Mail Reporter. (May 2011) 8. “The British political class has always encouraged the belief that Britain could have high levels of immigration without damaging the traditional social fabric.” – Vincent Cooper. (September 2013) 9. “The number of foreign nationals claiming benefits such as Jobseekers Allowance has jumped by 40% in just four years to more than 400,000-” – Barrett & Goldhill. (2013) 10. “He added the plan would do nothing to stop an unrestricted flow of a very large number of unskilled people coming into Britain—” – Nigel Farage, UKIP (2012) 11. “Last week the UK’s Immigration Minister tried to calm the rising agitation about migrants arriving in the New Year” – Gavin Hewitt, BBC News (2013) 12. “The new migrants will be hungry for jobs, and are bound to price some British workers out of the market. They will have the right to use our schools and NHS, which are already creaking. They will need housing and welfare benefits.” – Peter Oborne. Telegraph (2013) 13. “People didn’t believe the authorities knew what they were doing and there’s a very good reason for that-they didn’t.” – Phil Woolas, Immigration Minister (2008) 14. “The available evidence suggests that immigration has had a small negative impact on the lowest paid workers in the UK.” – House of Lords select Committee on Economic Affairs. (2008) 15. “Some senior politicians admit privately that Britain’s immigration policy is disastrous.” – The Economist. Immigration: The Tories barmiest policy. (2013) It is fascinating to see that there are many intelligent people prepared to raise serious questions about Immigration into Britain with many declaring it a shambolic mess! The open door policy implemented by Labour between 1997 and 2009 has never been closed. Cameron and Clegg bleat on about how tough they are on the issue, but the reality is very different. Neither raised concerns about what was happening in the past and both parties are taking orders from Brussels which is overseeing the swamping of Britain with immigrants! It might be pertinent to ask what has been done since Mr Europe (Tony Blair) disappeared into his personal empire and took on his farcical title as Middle East Peace Envoy? The stark answer is that both the Conservative and Liberal leaders have done very little and promote interests far removed from those of the British worker. We are fast approaching the point where we need to really scrutinise and weigh up the ‘benefits’ of their Immigration policy. Let’s see what Great Britain has gained from this influx of foreign workers and let’s search for tangible proof that British workers could not have filled the ‘skills void’ that so many economic experts prattle on about. Key Questions and Answers 1. Is it true that foreign workers are highly skilled and only take jobs that British workers are not able/educated to do? No evidence to support this at all. Some 500,000 to 600,000 jobs have been taken by foreign workers that are low skilled. 2. Is it true that many of the young foreign workers coming here are more educated than their British counterparts? Very misleading to suggest this! This ignores the fact that the UK currently has a surplus of young people with high level qualifications (A/Degree level). 3. Has the UK Economy become more dynamic and productive due to the import of foreign labour since 1997? No evidence to support this. Recent studies suggest that foreign workers are contributing to the economy but do not address the issue that British workers could be doing these jobs. 4. Have UK wages and the standard of living rose due to the arrival of 2million foreign people? No. There is evidence to suggest that workers at the lowest income levels are being replaced by foreign labour and wages are falling. Furthermore real wages have fallen back to 2003 levels so there is clearly no improvement in real wages due to immigration. 5. Has the British Government the power to limit the number of workers from EU countries. No. 6. Has the UK Government created a coherent, lucid plan to stop companies employing foreign workers when clearly they are non essential? No. 7. Would it be fair to say that all three main political parties have shown total incompetence in managing the Immigration Policy for this country? Yes. 8. Have any of our main political parties decided to end this import of unskilled labour. No. 9. Do any of the major studies into the costs of foreign workers assess their real cost to the British taxpayer? No. What has it cost to bring 2 or 3million plus people into this country when the economy is stagnant, wages are falling and welfare costs are rising? In simple terms nobody ever talks about the true costs, in terms, for example of education, housing, welfare, social etc. Quote. “The British Economy does need to welcome foreign workers where there are recognised skill shortages/designated needs. This has always been sensible and necessary for the effective running of our economy. In the period 1997-2013 this functional order has been replaced by a system that simply imports labour without regard to national need or benefit.” Summary 1. It is a fallacy to say that there has been any real benefit to the British Economy from uncontrolled, mass immigration in the period 1997-2013. 2.The three main political parties have produced this mess and want to brainwash the British People that we are all living in a better society due to this tide of immigration. 3.Those who seek to cultivate the idea that the British worker is lazy, poorly educated and cannot compete with the foreign worker are simply living in fantasy land. 4.There are numerous examples of UK companies replacing British workers with foreign workers and they seek to blame our educational system for this policy of betrayal. 5. Employers are using cheap foreign labour to reduce real wages in many sectors of our economy. 6. If our economy is capable of taking in large numbers of foreign workers then why do we have 2.5 million of our own people unemployed? The argument that these foreign workers are bringing skills and talent we do not possess is an insult to our own people. The truth is far simpler. Many employers seek to employ foreign workers as they will accept terms and conditions that will take the average worker back to the dark ages! 7. Our Society has always welcomed foreign people but since 1997 this country has been subjected to a social experiment that no sane person can regard as fair or justified. Have the British People been asked about this policy? No! Can anyone see how this policy has improved our society? No! Have the British people been misled and ignored by their political leaders? Yes! 8. Would it make sense to limit all future foreign migration to the UK? Yes of course! 9. Should we decide our own needs with regard to immigration? Yes! 10. Should we tell Europe that we intend to control our own labour market? Yes, now! 11. Plan a National Labour Strategy. (What do we need for economic development by sector and import labour accordingly?) I have a few more things to say: • It is not racist or right wing to talk about immigration as a problem or issue. • The scale of immigration over the period 1997-2013 has the potential to de-stabilise the identity of this great nation. • The British worker is not the problem if we want to talk about skill gaps or productivity (incompetent leaders always blame the workers). “Poor workers have never shut a factory but poor management is a guarantee of closure.” • The political leaders of this country have failed to protect the British worker and this remains the case today. • The UK is full of talented, gifted people. What we need to do is recognise this and get them into work. Why on Earth are we flooding our economy with foreign workers? • British workers built an empire that the rest of the world could only marvel at. I think it is time to do this again with British workers. not the Trotsky way the British way... welshmen
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3:39pm Fri 1 Aug 14

mkaibear1 says...

welshmen wrote:
Didn't try the Mirror then....your Trotsky paper....

Vue apologises after families 'barred from cinema for not being MUSLIM'

Jul 31, 2014 17:22 By Patrick Mulchrone
The Birmingham site bosses promise investigation as customers claim they were turned away because they weren't celebrating Islamic festival Eid

General view of Star City in Birmingham, England.
VIEW GALLERY
Furious cinemagoers say were turned away from a busy Vue complex because they weren't Muslim.

Leon Jennings, 22, had been visiting Birmingham's Star City entertainment complex with two other friends.

But as he tried to enter the Vue Cinema on the site, which includes dozens of bars and licenced restaurants, he said he was turned away by a burly security guard.

Asked why, shocked Leon says he was told by staff the films showing were only for couples and families celebrating the end of Islamic festival Eid.

Vue Cinemas have apologised and promised an investigation.

Movies available a the time in the 25-screen, 5,000 seat complex included included Inbetweeners 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, Hercules, The Nut Job and How to train your Dragon 2.

SWNSGeneral view of Star City in Birmingham, England.General view of Star City in Birmingham, England.
Leon says he and and his two pals were forced to turn around and go home - because "they did not look like they celebrated Eid" and were left feeling embarrassed and discriminated against for being white.

The viewing consultant at a photography studio, from Sutton Coldfield, Birmingham, said: "I was going there with my pals to the cinema as it was Orange Wednesday and you get two for one.

"As we drove in the bloke on the gate said to us 'not tonight guys, it's couples and families only'.

"We thought he was joking and went and parked up. We tried to get into the cinema and the security guy stopped us from going in.

"He said we couldn't go in because it was only couples and families celebrating Eid."

SWNSLeon Jennings, 22, is pictured at Star City in Birmingham, England.Furious: Leon Jennings, 22,at Star City in Birmingham
"I tried to point out that there were loads of groups lads who were Asian being allowed in but that made no difference.

"He said to us we didn't look like we were celebrating Eid. He was making assumptions about my religion and banning me based on my skin colour. "

"It's not like we are trouble makers, we are mature, all dressed respectably and just wanted to go see a film.

"It will just be seen as blatant racism. You have to admit that if it was done for Christmas there would be uproar.

"I also know about Eid. It is supposed to be a festival of togetherness and welcoming, no one should be turned away. The only thing this is going to cause is problems in the communities."

SWNSGeneral view of Star City in Birmingham, England.Controversy: The Star City cinema
A Facebook page set up to call for a boycott of Star City has already gained over 800 likes on the social network.

Other web-users reported similar experiences on Wednesday - which marked the end of Ramadan, where Muslims fast for a month.

Emma Noakes wrote on Facebook: "My friends family have just been refused entry at VUE cinema as they are not Muslim this is a shocking disgrace. If the shoe was on the other foot there would be uproar. Can you imagine banning all Muslims to star city because it's Christmas.

"This was a lady and her 11 yr old son trying to watch a film in the school holidays. I for one will never use the facilities of star city again. Very disappointing and how they are allowed to get away with this is appalling."

Zara Marie Smart wrote on Vue Cinema Star City's Facebook page: "Got turned away from here today for 'not being Muslim' I kid you not! will never ever return here and will make everyone aware of the discrimination and humiliation we faced today!"

A spokesman for Vue cinemas apologised.

He said: "We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused to our guests who tried to gain access to our Birmingham Star City cinema.

"As a company we welcome customers from all religious and cultural backgrounds. We are investigating this directly with the Star City management team as a matter of urgency."

Star City said they were not aware of any of incidents of people being turned away on ground of religion taking place....
Er, if you note that article was published 12 minutes *after* the post from Howie? Or is that simple maths beyond you?

What will happen is this will be investigated and if it's true they'll be fined, the same way as if a company had racially discriminated against someone.

One law for everyone.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Didn't try the Mirror then....your Trotsky paper.... Vue apologises after families 'barred from cinema for not being MUSLIM' Jul 31, 2014 17:22 By Patrick Mulchrone The Birmingham site bosses promise investigation as customers claim they were turned away because they weren't celebrating Islamic festival Eid General view of Star City in Birmingham, England. VIEW GALLERY Furious cinemagoers say were turned away from a busy Vue complex because they weren't Muslim. Leon Jennings, 22, had been visiting Birmingham's Star City entertainment complex with two other friends. But as he tried to enter the Vue Cinema on the site, which includes dozens of bars and licenced restaurants, he said he was turned away by a burly security guard. Asked why, shocked Leon says he was told by staff the films showing were only for couples and families celebrating the end of Islamic festival Eid. Vue Cinemas have apologised and promised an investigation. Movies available a the time in the 25-screen, 5,000 seat complex included included Inbetweeners 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, Hercules, The Nut Job and How to train your Dragon 2. SWNSGeneral view of Star City in Birmingham, England.General view of Star City in Birmingham, England. Leon says he and and his two pals were forced to turn around and go home - because "they did not look like they celebrated Eid" and were left feeling embarrassed and discriminated against for being white. The viewing consultant at a photography studio, from Sutton Coldfield, Birmingham, said: "I was going there with my pals to the cinema as it was Orange Wednesday and you get two for one. "As we drove in the bloke on the gate said to us 'not tonight guys, it's couples and families only'. "We thought he was joking and went and parked up. We tried to get into the cinema and the security guy stopped us from going in. "He said we couldn't go in because it was only couples and families celebrating Eid." SWNSLeon Jennings, 22, is pictured at Star City in Birmingham, England.Furious: Leon Jennings, 22,at Star City in Birmingham "I tried to point out that there were loads of groups lads who were Asian being allowed in but that made no difference. "He said to us we didn't look like we were celebrating Eid. He was making assumptions about my religion and banning me based on my skin colour. " "It's not like we are trouble makers, we are mature, all dressed respectably and just wanted to go see a film. "It will just be seen as blatant racism. You have to admit that if it was done for Christmas there would be uproar. "I also know about Eid. It is supposed to be a festival of togetherness and welcoming, no one should be turned away. The only thing this is going to cause is problems in the communities." SWNSGeneral view of Star City in Birmingham, England.Controversy: The Star City cinema A Facebook page set up to call for a boycott of Star City has already gained over 800 likes on the social network. Other web-users reported similar experiences on Wednesday - which marked the end of Ramadan, where Muslims fast for a month. Emma Noakes wrote on Facebook: "My friends family have just been refused entry at VUE cinema as they are not Muslim this is a shocking disgrace. If the shoe was on the other foot there would be uproar. Can you imagine banning all Muslims to star city because it's Christmas. "This was a lady and her 11 yr old son trying to watch a film in the school holidays. I for one will never use the facilities of star city again. Very disappointing and how they are allowed to get away with this is appalling." Zara Marie Smart wrote on Vue Cinema Star City's Facebook page: "Got turned away from here today for 'not being Muslim' I kid you not! will never ever return here and will make everyone aware of the discrimination and humiliation we faced today!" A spokesman for Vue cinemas apologised. He said: "We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused to our guests who tried to gain access to our Birmingham Star City cinema. "As a company we welcome customers from all religious and cultural backgrounds. We are investigating this directly with the Star City management team as a matter of urgency." Star City said they were not aware of any of incidents of people being turned away on ground of religion taking place....[/p][/quote]Er, if you note that article was published 12 minutes *after* the post from Howie? Or is that simple maths beyond you? What will happen is this will be investigated and if it's true they'll be fined, the same way as if a company had racially discriminated against someone. One law for everyone. mkaibear1
  • Score: 1

3:41pm Fri 1 Aug 14

mkaibear1 says...

The very first point of your summary is wrong. It is not a fallacy to say there has been no benefit to immigration because we're making money off them.

Your stream of propaganda from a known anti-immigration source (as opposed to independent researchers) doesn't address that at all.

How do you explain the proven increase to our economy from having immigrants work in this country?
The very first point of your summary is wrong. It is not a fallacy to say there has been no benefit to immigration because we're making money off them. Your stream of propaganda from a known anti-immigration source (as opposed to independent researchers) doesn't address that at all. How do you explain the proven increase to our economy from having immigrants work in this country? mkaibear1
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10:27pm Fri 1 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Immigration going up, hourly rate going down, that's Immigration for you....
Immigration going up, hourly rate going down, that's Immigration for you.... welshmen
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10:29pm Fri 1 Aug 14

mkaibear1 says...

Immigrants coming in, money flowing into the economy, our taxes lower than they'd have to be if the immigrants weren't here... That's immigration for you.
Immigrants coming in, money flowing into the economy, our taxes lower than they'd have to be if the immigrants weren't here... That's immigration for you. mkaibear1
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1:29am Sat 2 Aug 14

Howie' says...

Oh dear Welshboy you are letting your prejudices and right wing propaganda get in the way of rational thought!

A spokesman for Vue cinemas apologised.

He said: "We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused to our guests who tried to gain access to our Birmingham Star City cinema.

"As a company we welcome customers from all religious and cultural backgrounds. We are investigating this directly with the Star City management team as a matter of urgency."

Star City said they were not aware of any of incidents of people being turned away on ground of religion taking place.

A STATEMENT FROM STAR CITY:

Star City Is a family entertainment centre open to and enjoyed by all. We have a proud record of community involvement. During the busiest times some visitors have been turned away, for which we apologise. However there is simply no truth in the recent allegations-the nature of which have no place at Star City.

Mark Wilson, Centre Manager at Star City.

So Vue Cinema and Star City both deny it was a policy to stop anyone from entering the venue, I don't know but it sounds like (if it did actually happen) some idiot on the door took it upon himself to stop a few punters.
Guess we will find out after the inquiry, one thing it is obviously not is Welshboy's insinuation and I quote:

'Racist Star City Shopping Centre in Birmingham has BANNED all non Muslims from entering until the end of EID.
Why is this allowed? Isn't this blatant discrimination against non Muslims'.

You really should stop being taken in by all this right wing BS Welshie, I love your posts which are highly entertaining but unfortunately you appear to believe any old claptrap as long as it is anti Muslim or anti European migrant. Anyway I understand how you feel Welshie with the Muslim population of Wales now reaching 1.5% you obviously have concerns for the other 98.5% ;-)
Oh dear Welshboy you are letting your prejudices and right wing propaganda get in the way of rational thought! A spokesman for Vue cinemas apologised. He said: "We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused to our guests who tried to gain access to our Birmingham Star City cinema. "As a company we welcome customers from all religious and cultural backgrounds. We are investigating this directly with the Star City management team as a matter of urgency." Star City said they were not aware of any of incidents of people being turned away on ground of religion taking place. A STATEMENT FROM STAR CITY: Star City Is a family entertainment centre open to and enjoyed by all. We have a proud record of community involvement. During the busiest times some visitors have been turned away, for which we apologise. However there is simply no truth in the recent allegations-the nature of which have no place at Star City. Mark Wilson, Centre Manager at Star City. So Vue Cinema and Star City both deny it was a policy to stop anyone from entering the venue, I don't know but it sounds like (if it did actually happen) some idiot on the door took it upon himself to stop a few punters. Guess we will find out after the inquiry, one thing it is obviously not is Welshboy's insinuation and I quote: 'Racist Star City Shopping Centre in Birmingham has BANNED all non Muslims from entering until the end of EID. Why is this allowed? Isn't this blatant discrimination against non Muslims'. You really should stop being taken in by all this right wing BS Welshie, I love your posts which are highly entertaining but unfortunately you appear to believe any old claptrap as long as it is anti Muslim or anti European migrant. Anyway I understand how you feel Welshie with the Muslim population of Wales now reaching 1.5% you obviously have concerns for the other 98.5% ;-) Howie'
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5:16pm Sat 2 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Another Trotsky way to make us hate....each other, this is fair is it British haters....

Essex County Council has been outed for discriminating against young people of white British ethnicity.

The council was exposed for operating an apprenticeship scheme which states that any employer who chooses a non-white non-British over a white British apprentice will be rewarded with a subsidy and a grant of £2,500.

The whistle was blown by the Managing Director of recruitment agency Get Me Group, Ben Drain, who learnt of the policy when searching for apprenticeship placements for young job seekers only to find that they denied the opportunities on the ground of their race.

“I think it is outrageous that our own council is discriminating against young white British people – and encouraging employers to ‘positively’ discriminate against them,” exclaimed Mr Drain.

Racial discrimination at local government level has meant young white British people are finding it increasingly difficult to secure work and build themselves a career.

The race discrimination plot thickens: In a shameful denial of responsibility Essex County Council shrugged off accusations of racial discrimination claiming that the Diversity in Apprenticeship (DIA) initiative is a national programme funded by the National Apprenticeship Service (NAS), and therefore out of their hands.

In the NAS report ‘Good practice Evaluation of the Diversity in Apprenticeships Pilot’ describes their preferred apprentice as ‘Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic’ a term referred to by the acronym BAME
Another Trotsky way to make us hate....each other, this is fair is it British haters.... Essex County Council has been outed for discriminating against young people of white British ethnicity. The council was exposed for operating an apprenticeship scheme which states that any employer who chooses a non-white non-British over a white British apprentice will be rewarded with a subsidy and a grant of £2,500. The whistle was blown by the Managing Director of recruitment agency Get Me Group, Ben Drain, who learnt of the policy when searching for apprenticeship placements for young job seekers only to find that they denied the opportunities on the ground of their race. “I think it is outrageous that our own council is discriminating against young white British people – and encouraging employers to ‘positively’ discriminate against them,” exclaimed Mr Drain. Racial discrimination at local government level has meant young white British people are finding it increasingly difficult to secure work and build themselves a career. The race discrimination plot thickens: In a shameful denial of responsibility Essex County Council shrugged off accusations of racial discrimination claiming that the Diversity in Apprenticeship (DIA) initiative is a national programme funded by the National Apprenticeship Service (NAS), and therefore out of their hands. In the NAS report ‘Good practice Evaluation of the Diversity in Apprenticeships Pilot’ describes their preferred apprentice as ‘Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic’ a term referred to by the acronym BAME welshmen
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5:40pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Howie' says...

But Essex County Council says the Diversity in Apprenticeship (DIA) initiative is a national programme funded by the National Apprenticeship Service, and therefore out of their hands.

Deputy leader, Cllr Kevin Bentley, said: "It offers funding to employers to support groups who are underrepresented in the workplace.

"Essex County Council runs the DIA programme alongside a range of other extremely successful apprenticeship programmes open to all young people aged 16 to 24, irrespective of their differences and background.

"It's absolutely vital that we help Essex businesses to recruit apprentices and support young people from all backgrounds into jobs, careers and learning."

I'm not even going to bother commenting Welshie, another non story twisted by the loons of the extreme right.
But Essex County Council says the Diversity in Apprenticeship (DIA) initiative is a national programme funded by the National Apprenticeship Service, and therefore out of their hands. Deputy leader, Cllr Kevin Bentley, said: "It offers funding to employers to support groups who are underrepresented in the workplace. "Essex County Council runs the DIA programme alongside a range of other extremely successful apprenticeship programmes open to all young people aged 16 to 24, irrespective of their differences and background. "It's absolutely vital that we help Essex businesses to recruit apprentices and support young people from all backgrounds into jobs, careers and learning." I'm not even going to bother commenting Welshie, another non story twisted by the loons of the extreme right. Howie'
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