Inalienable right

First published in Letters

WITH reference to the continuing debate of the Palestinian nation’s plight. Whether or not anyone dislikes or is uncomfortable with its actuality, whether or not it contradicts or confronts anyone’s prejudices or amoral intent, it is an inalienable right of all subject peoples to seek to attain autonomous self-determination.

No amount of recited pseudo-legal gibberish can ever legitimise inherently unlawful acts, such as: the criminal seizure of the homeland of an integral nation or the denial to its population of the rights due all peoples of the Earth.

By definition of circumstance, the victims have the entitlement to pursue salvation by whatever means necessitated by their situation. It is profound indictment of the western world that it elects not to recognise and uphold the reality of that principle.

H. Roland ap Watcyn Griffithstown

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6:06pm Thu 31 Jul 14

varteg1 says...

I suppose, going on your adopted name, you are one of those in conflict with England over the inalienable rights of the Cymro to 'pursue salvation by whatever means'

Good on yer, I cannot wait to see the response of our neighbours when the Cenedlaetholdeb Cymreig, those Meibion Glyndŵr start lobbing molotov cocktails over the Severn into Avon, Shropshire, Somerset and Cheshire.
History is full of poor downtrodden peoples wailing and whining about how their particular spot on the planet was overrun by invading forces,

Just because Israel has only been doing it for a just over a half century, which of course totally ignores the fact the Hebrews were there forever it seems, prior to the Islamification of much of the region, and which caused the diaspora in most part, does not excuse the antics of the Muslims in their attempt to ethnically cleanse the Jew from the region.

The ever present threats by Islam to eradicate Israel and wipe the Jew off the planet does not enter into your childish criticism of a legitimate state that is, and has been, under attack since it was formed, in the post war period. Take a look around you bozo, just what have you got in your home you can thank Islam for?
Music?
Art?
Theatre?
Cinema?
Scientific and technological items?

Thought not.

Stack that culture, much of which has been engendered over the last two millennia through the patronage and achievements of Jews, against that coming from Islam, and ask yourself, what is it the Jews have going for them that Muslims have not.
The bulk of our own civilisation is based in ethical behaviour first accredited to the Hebrews, not forgetting your Christian values came from a Jewish background, You want that taken away? then keep on offering support and succour to those that want Israel destroyed., it'll be your turn soon enough.6

Civilisation old chum, very overt in Israel shockingly absent , not only in Gaza, but across the Islamic world.
I suppose, going on your adopted name, you are one of those in conflict with England over the inalienable rights of the Cymro to 'pursue salvation by whatever means' Good on yer, I cannot wait to see the response of our neighbours when the Cenedlaetholdeb Cymreig, those Meibion Glyndŵr start lobbing molotov cocktails over the Severn into Avon, Shropshire, Somerset and Cheshire. History is full of poor downtrodden peoples wailing and whining about how their particular spot on the planet was overrun by invading forces, Just because Israel has only been doing it for a just over a half century, which of course totally ignores the fact the Hebrews were there forever it seems, prior to the Islamification of much of the region, and which caused the diaspora in most part, does not excuse the antics of the Muslims in their attempt to ethnically cleanse the Jew from the region. The ever present threats by Islam to eradicate Israel and wipe the Jew off the planet does not enter into your childish criticism of a legitimate state that is, and has been, under attack since it was formed, in the post war period. Take a look around you bozo, just what have you got in your home you can thank Islam for? Music? Art? Theatre? Cinema? Scientific and technological items? Thought not. Stack that culture, much of which has been engendered over the last two millennia through the patronage and achievements of Jews, against that coming from Islam, and ask yourself, what is it the Jews have going for them that Muslims have not. The bulk of our own civilisation is based in ethical behaviour first accredited to the Hebrews, not forgetting your Christian values came from a Jewish background, You want that taken away? then keep on offering support and succour to those that want Israel destroyed., it'll be your turn soon enough.6 Civilisation old chum, very overt in Israel shockingly absent , not only in Gaza, but across the Islamic world. varteg1
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8:01pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

"By definition of circumstance, the victims have the entitlement to pursue salvation by whatever means necessitated by their situation"

I think this sort of attitude is actually part and parcel of the conflict. This kind of contradicts what you are saying as it is exactly the same sort of argument that hard-line Israeli nationalists use. In fact, your comment seems to be promoting the supremacy of nationalism and I think that first off if we want to end wars we can do with much less nationalism and much more internationalism. It's time that the world grew up and realised that we are all human beings living in a global village.

identity is purely an accident of birth and just because, for instance you are English, doesn't make you superior to someone for example who happens to be French, German, Mexican, Kenyan etc. With the internet, increasing immigration and emigration and the fact that more people travel to more continents either on business or holiday realising that national borders will inevitably soon become meaningless is the way forward. The insistence on the importance of national identity is an early 19th century concept that is now several decades out of date and people who think in such a way are simply living in some mythical past.

The way to stop the problems in the middle east is not to cling on desperately to that tunnel vision that separates people because they are Israeli, Palestinian, Syrian or Iranian etc. but to have the courage and foresight to move beyond that and learn to share the land.

Whilst watching so many civilians being killed, maimed and suffering because of the Israeli bombing is reminiscent of the allied attacks on Dresden during WWII, it is also important that one is careful not to romanticize Hamas. Hamas is definitely not a progressive organisation and Palestinians are suffering under its rule too. Under the Hamas regime, homosexuality is punishable with death and feminism is not tolerated. The majority of ordinary, reasonable Palestinians are caught between a rock and a hard place.
"By definition of circumstance, the victims have the entitlement to pursue salvation by whatever means necessitated by their situation" I think this sort of attitude is actually part and parcel of the conflict. This kind of contradicts what you are saying as it is exactly the same sort of argument that hard-line Israeli nationalists use. In fact, your comment seems to be promoting the supremacy of nationalism and I think that first off if we want to end wars we can do with much less nationalism and much more internationalism. It's time that the world grew up and realised that we are all human beings living in a global village. identity is purely an accident of birth and just because, for instance you are English, doesn't make you superior to someone for example who happens to be French, German, Mexican, Kenyan etc. With the internet, increasing immigration and emigration and the fact that more people travel to more continents either on business or holiday realising that national borders will inevitably soon become meaningless is the way forward. The insistence on the importance of national identity is an early 19th century concept that is now several decades out of date and people who think in such a way are simply living in some mythical past. The way to stop the problems in the middle east is not to cling on desperately to that tunnel vision that separates people because they are Israeli, Palestinian, Syrian or Iranian etc. but to have the courage and foresight to move beyond that and learn to share the land. Whilst watching so many civilians being killed, maimed and suffering because of the Israeli bombing is reminiscent of the allied attacks on Dresden during WWII, it is also important that one is careful not to romanticize Hamas. Hamas is definitely not a progressive organisation and Palestinians are suffering under its rule too. Under the Hamas regime, homosexuality is punishable with death and feminism is not tolerated. The majority of ordinary, reasonable Palestinians are caught between a rock and a hard place. Katie Re-Registered
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12:17pm Fri 1 Aug 14

throwy1 says...

Varteg 1 what on earth has the letter writer's name got to do with your opening paragraph?
Varteg 1 what on earth has the letter writer's name got to do with your opening paragraph? throwy1
  • Score: -2

1:22pm Fri 1 Aug 14

jimmytheone2 says...

varteg1 wrote:
I suppose, going on your adopted name, you are one of those in conflict with England over the inalienable rights of the Cymro to 'pursue salvation by whatever means'

Good on yer, I cannot wait to see the response of our neighbours when the Cenedlaetholdeb Cymreig, those Meibion Glyndŵr start lobbing molotov cocktails over the Severn into Avon, Shropshire, Somerset and Cheshire.
History is full of poor downtrodden peoples wailing and whining about how their particular spot on the planet was overrun by invading forces,

Just because Israel has only been doing it for a just over a half century, which of course totally ignores the fact the Hebrews were there forever it seems, prior to the Islamification of much of the region, and which caused the diaspora in most part, does not excuse the antics of the Muslims in their attempt to ethnically cleanse the Jew from the region.

The ever present threats by Islam to eradicate Israel and wipe the Jew off the planet does not enter into your childish criticism of a legitimate state that is, and has been, under attack since it was formed, in the post war period. Take a look around you bozo, just what have you got in your home you can thank Islam for?
Music?
Art?
Theatre?
Cinema?
Scientific and technological items?

Thought not.

Stack that culture, much of which has been engendered over the last two millennia through the patronage and achievements of Jews, against that coming from Islam, and ask yourself, what is it the Jews have going for them that Muslims have not.
The bulk of our own civilisation is based in ethical behaviour first accredited to the Hebrews, not forgetting your Christian values came from a Jewish background, You want that taken away? then keep on offering support and succour to those that want Israel destroyed., it'll be your turn soon enough.6

Civilisation old chum, very overt in Israel shockingly absent , not only in Gaza, but across the Islamic world.
Ah, I see....... this is a 'beauty parade' to determine whether we should support Islam or Israel based on music, theatre, cinema and art.

I'd not thought of looking at it in that way before. That's very clever. So instead of moral or other weightier issues, we judge 'right' and ' wrong', and take the side of those countries or cultures that give us the best films, or the most popular music. Brilliant.

We're going to have to rethink our foreign policy now. We've been sympathetic to the plight of Ukraine against the clear interference and aggression of Russia. But that's okay now as Russia has better films and art. We'd better switch our support.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I suppose, going on your adopted name, you are one of those in conflict with England over the inalienable rights of the Cymro to 'pursue salvation by whatever means' Good on yer, I cannot wait to see the response of our neighbours when the Cenedlaetholdeb Cymreig, those Meibion Glyndŵr start lobbing molotov cocktails over the Severn into Avon, Shropshire, Somerset and Cheshire. History is full of poor downtrodden peoples wailing and whining about how their particular spot on the planet was overrun by invading forces, Just because Israel has only been doing it for a just over a half century, which of course totally ignores the fact the Hebrews were there forever it seems, prior to the Islamification of much of the region, and which caused the diaspora in most part, does not excuse the antics of the Muslims in their attempt to ethnically cleanse the Jew from the region. The ever present threats by Islam to eradicate Israel and wipe the Jew off the planet does not enter into your childish criticism of a legitimate state that is, and has been, under attack since it was formed, in the post war period. Take a look around you bozo, just what have you got in your home you can thank Islam for? Music? Art? Theatre? Cinema? Scientific and technological items? Thought not. Stack that culture, much of which has been engendered over the last two millennia through the patronage and achievements of Jews, against that coming from Islam, and ask yourself, what is it the Jews have going for them that Muslims have not. The bulk of our own civilisation is based in ethical behaviour first accredited to the Hebrews, not forgetting your Christian values came from a Jewish background, You want that taken away? then keep on offering support and succour to those that want Israel destroyed., it'll be your turn soon enough.6 Civilisation old chum, very overt in Israel shockingly absent , not only in Gaza, but across the Islamic world.[/p][/quote]Ah, I see....... this is a 'beauty parade' to determine whether we should support Islam or Israel based on music, theatre, cinema and art. I'd not thought of looking at it in that way before. That's very clever. So instead of moral or other weightier issues, we judge 'right' and ' wrong', and take the side of those countries or cultures that give us the best films, or the most popular music. Brilliant. We're going to have to rethink our foreign policy now. We've been sympathetic to the plight of Ukraine against the clear interference and aggression of Russia. But that's okay now as Russia has better films and art. We'd better switch our support. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -4

1:25pm Fri 1 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Katie Re-Registered::

All though A lot of people are dying in this conflict, Iraq's people have been butchered on mass, look on youtube if you have the convictions of your posts, see what one tribe of the same religion is doing to another, over six thousand, mostly killed on mass executions, I know two wrongs never make it right, but ask your self if you had a choice to live with and you had to pick one of these, who would you chose, the Jews or the Muslims to live with?.

As for our Global Village, would you invite right now to take in a family from Sierra Leon to live with you and your family for three months while the Ebola disease is eradicated?

Your dream of everybody loving everybody else is a nice thought, I would really love that to happen, but when one Religion his hell bent on eliminating another off the face of the earth what do you really expect the Israeli's to do, just roll over and let them exterminate them? stupidly lets say this happens, then who's next?

As comparing Dresden to the Gazza Conflict, in London the bombing caused 43,000 dead in a seven month period, in Dresden for three days in February 13-14-15 1945, about 22,700 to 25,000 German Civilians lost their lives all though the Germans said it was like 200,000 , the Americans made more raids in March of the same year.. 12,000 homes destroyed, we all know war is immoral, Soldiers were told WW1 was a war to end all war's, how wrong was that information....

We also need to thank our spoofs, for stopping many terrorist attacks in our Country, and are still stopping them, they only have to miss one attack and lots of our people are going to be killed, all part of the fear, that this Religion brings too where it lives....
Katie Re-Registered:: All though A lot of people are dying in this conflict, Iraq's people have been butchered on mass, look on youtube if you have the convictions of your posts, see what one tribe of the same religion is doing to another, over six thousand, mostly killed on mass executions, I know two wrongs never make it right, but ask your self if you had a choice to live with and you had to pick one of these, who would you chose, the Jews or the Muslims to live with?. As for our Global Village, would you invite right now to take in a family from Sierra Leon to live with you and your family for three months while the Ebola disease is eradicated? Your dream of everybody loving everybody else is a nice thought, I would really love that to happen, but when one Religion his hell bent on eliminating another off the face of the earth what do you really expect the Israeli's to do, just roll over and let them exterminate them? stupidly lets say this happens, then who's next? As comparing Dresden to the Gazza Conflict, in London the bombing caused 43,000 dead in a seven month period, in Dresden for three days in February 13-14-15 1945, about 22,700 to 25,000 German Civilians lost their lives all though the Germans said it was like 200,000 , the Americans made more raids in March of the same year.. 12,000 homes destroyed, we all know war is immoral, Soldiers were told WW1 was a war to end all war's, how wrong was that information.... We also need to thank our spoofs, for stopping many terrorist attacks in our Country, and are still stopping them, they only have to miss one attack and lots of our people are going to be killed, all part of the fear, that this Religion brings too where it lives.... welshmen
  • Score: -1

4:20pm Fri 1 Aug 14

varteg1 says...

throwy1 wrote:
Varteg 1 what on earth has the letter writer's name got to do with your opening paragraph?
I'll tell you what is has to do with the matter.

If you take a look at his birth certificate, I would be amazed of the namer he used appears on it.
[quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: Varteg 1 what on earth has the letter writer's name got to do with your opening paragraph?[/p][/quote]I'll tell you what is has to do with the matter. If you take a look at his birth certificate, I would be amazed of the namer he used appears on it. varteg1
  • Score: 4

4:48pm Fri 1 Aug 14

varteg1 says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I suppose, going on your adopted name, you are one of those in conflict with England over the inalienable rights of the Cymro to 'pursue salvation by whatever means'

Good on yer, I cannot wait to see the response of our neighbours when the Cenedlaetholdeb Cymreig, those Meibion Glyndŵr start lobbing molotov cocktails over the Severn into Avon, Shropshire, Somerset and Cheshire.
History is full of poor downtrodden peoples wailing and whining about how their particular spot on the planet was overrun by invading forces,

Just because Israel has only been doing it for a just over a half century, which of course totally ignores the fact the Hebrews were there forever it seems, prior to the Islamification of much of the region, and which caused the diaspora in most part, does not excuse the antics of the Muslims in their attempt to ethnically cleanse the Jew from the region.

The ever present threats by Islam to eradicate Israel and wipe the Jew off the planet does not enter into your childish criticism of a legitimate state that is, and has been, under attack since it was formed, in the post war period. Take a look around you bozo, just what have you got in your home you can thank Islam for?
Music?
Art?
Theatre?
Cinema?
Scientific and technological items?

Thought not.

Stack that culture, much of which has been engendered over the last two millennia through the patronage and achievements of Jews, against that coming from Islam, and ask yourself, what is it the Jews have going for them that Muslims have not.
The bulk of our own civilisation is based in ethical behaviour first accredited to the Hebrews, not forgetting your Christian values came from a Jewish background, You want that taken away? then keep on offering support and succour to those that want Israel destroyed., it'll be your turn soon enough.6

Civilisation old chum, very overt in Israel shockingly absent , not only in Gaza, but across the Islamic world.
Ah, I see....... this is a 'beauty parade' to determine whether we should support Islam or Israel based on music, theatre, cinema and art.

I'd not thought of looking at it in that way before. That's very clever. So instead of moral or other weightier issues, we judge 'right' and ' wrong', and take the side of those countries or cultures that give us the best films, or the most popular music. Brilliant.

We're going to have to rethink our foreign policy now. We've been sympathetic to the plight of Ukraine against the clear interference and aggression of Russia. But that's okay now as Russia has better films and art. We'd better switch our support.
Of course it's beauty parade, one which has given the world an overwhelming amount of culture that we take automatically as our own
CIVILISATION.

It comes from a section of the religious community that expands the horizons beyond mere head banging and washing their feet etc., five times a day, and virtually doing nothing cultural else.

I see Islam as a retrograde cult, with absolutely nothing in it for us.
Our civilisation has arrived at todays date over a couple of millennia adopting and adapting , embracing that we wound beneficial, and rejecting that we found irritating, annoying and dangerous.
That is why we kept Islam at bay for a half a millennia, but thanks to bleeding heart liberals, who have encouraged western governments to welco9me large numbers of immigrants from Islamic counties, we now have to bend over and be shafted.

Israel, for all faults perceived, is the new balkans, in effect, stemming the tide, for as long as it exists, and resists the perpetual onslaught from the rest of the middle eastern Islamic states it does us the favour of keeping this obnoxious cult at bay.

Now if you cannot agree, then how about you up sticks and go live in Gaza or any other Islamic state, where |I am certain your sensitivities over Gaza will be mots appreciated.

Islam takes no prisoners, metaphorically speaking, it has a world wide agenda to not only erase Israel, but to utilise whatever procedure it feels necessary, to eradicate the Jews, and their religion, doing just that bas it marches steadily onwards towards that global caliphate it so often rants about.

As for the Ukraine matter, I have no doubt, from the tone and contents of mushy of your sub missions here, that you would be pleased to welcome another fascist state arise,because that is what the eastern Ukrainian rebellion is all about. Russia has this on it's border, and I see a high degree of western hype in the matter, All this crap about sanctions is a crock of you know what, we cannot afford to cut ourselves loose, that is why much of existing trading arrangements and agreements with Russia remain in place.
As a matter of fact Russia does produce a very high level of entertainment, from ballet to Classics, from Film to theatre, Much of which being reliant on Jewish cultural and educational background.

Maybe if you took your head out of thet sh*t hole called Gaza and looked at what benefits Islamic stuff has provided, you may learn to appreciate the vast quantity of culture generated by Jews, for certain you'll not want to live under a Sharia based culture, if one can even call it a culture..

However, if you do wish to, don't let me block your passage to the middle east.
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I suppose, going on your adopted name, you are one of those in conflict with England over the inalienable rights of the Cymro to 'pursue salvation by whatever means' Good on yer, I cannot wait to see the response of our neighbours when the Cenedlaetholdeb Cymreig, those Meibion Glyndŵr start lobbing molotov cocktails over the Severn into Avon, Shropshire, Somerset and Cheshire. History is full of poor downtrodden peoples wailing and whining about how their particular spot on the planet was overrun by invading forces, Just because Israel has only been doing it for a just over a half century, which of course totally ignores the fact the Hebrews were there forever it seems, prior to the Islamification of much of the region, and which caused the diaspora in most part, does not excuse the antics of the Muslims in their attempt to ethnically cleanse the Jew from the region. The ever present threats by Islam to eradicate Israel and wipe the Jew off the planet does not enter into your childish criticism of a legitimate state that is, and has been, under attack since it was formed, in the post war period. Take a look around you bozo, just what have you got in your home you can thank Islam for? Music? Art? Theatre? Cinema? Scientific and technological items? Thought not. Stack that culture, much of which has been engendered over the last two millennia through the patronage and achievements of Jews, against that coming from Islam, and ask yourself, what is it the Jews have going for them that Muslims have not. The bulk of our own civilisation is based in ethical behaviour first accredited to the Hebrews, not forgetting your Christian values came from a Jewish background, You want that taken away? then keep on offering support and succour to those that want Israel destroyed., it'll be your turn soon enough.6 Civilisation old chum, very overt in Israel shockingly absent , not only in Gaza, but across the Islamic world.[/p][/quote]Ah, I see....... this is a 'beauty parade' to determine whether we should support Islam or Israel based on music, theatre, cinema and art. I'd not thought of looking at it in that way before. That's very clever. So instead of moral or other weightier issues, we judge 'right' and ' wrong', and take the side of those countries or cultures that give us the best films, or the most popular music. Brilliant. We're going to have to rethink our foreign policy now. We've been sympathetic to the plight of Ukraine against the clear interference and aggression of Russia. But that's okay now as Russia has better films and art. We'd better switch our support.[/p][/quote]Of course it's beauty parade, one which has given the world an overwhelming amount of culture that we take automatically as our own CIVILISATION. It comes from a section of the religious community that expands the horizons beyond mere head banging and washing their feet etc., five times a day, and virtually doing nothing cultural else. I see Islam as a retrograde cult, with absolutely nothing in it for us. Our civilisation has arrived at todays date over a couple of millennia adopting and adapting , embracing that we wound beneficial, and rejecting that we found irritating, annoying and dangerous. That is why we kept Islam at bay for a half a millennia, but thanks to bleeding heart liberals, who have encouraged western governments to welco9me large numbers of immigrants from Islamic counties, we now have to bend over and be shafted. Israel, for all faults perceived, is the new balkans, in effect, stemming the tide, for as long as it exists, and resists the perpetual onslaught from the rest of the middle eastern Islamic states it does us the favour of keeping this obnoxious cult at bay. Now if you cannot agree, then how about you up sticks and go live in Gaza or any other Islamic state, where |I am certain your sensitivities over Gaza will be mots appreciated. Islam takes no prisoners, metaphorically speaking, it has a world wide agenda to not only erase Israel, but to utilise whatever procedure it feels necessary, to eradicate the Jews, and their religion, doing just that bas it marches steadily onwards towards that global caliphate it so often rants about. As for the Ukraine matter, I have no doubt, from the tone and contents of mushy of your sub missions here, that you would be pleased to welcome another fascist state arise,because that is what the eastern Ukrainian rebellion is all about. Russia has this on it's border, and I see a high degree of western hype in the matter, All this crap about sanctions is a crock of you know what, we cannot afford to cut ourselves loose, that is why much of existing trading arrangements and agreements with Russia remain in place. As a matter of fact Russia does produce a very high level of entertainment, from ballet to Classics, from Film to theatre, Much of which being reliant on Jewish cultural and educational background. Maybe if you took your head out of thet sh*t hole called Gaza and looked at what benefits Islamic stuff has provided, you may learn to appreciate the vast quantity of culture generated by Jews, for certain you'll not want to live under a Sharia based culture, if one can even call it a culture.. However, if you do wish to, don't let me block your passage to the middle east. varteg1
  • Score: 3

4:53pm Fri 1 Aug 14

varteg1 says...

varteg1 wrote:
throwy1 wrote:
Varteg 1 what on earth has the letter writer's name got to do with your opening paragraph?
I'll tell you what is has to do with the matter.

If you take a look at his birth certificate, I would be amazed of the namer he used appears on it.
Also.... read the whole of the first two paragraphs, not pick out the coloured bits to suit whatever point it is you are trying to make.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: Varteg 1 what on earth has the letter writer's name got to do with your opening paragraph?[/p][/quote]I'll tell you what is has to do with the matter. If you take a look at his birth certificate, I would be amazed of the namer he used appears on it.[/p][/quote]Also.... read the whole of the first two paragraphs, not pick out the coloured bits to suit whatever point it is you are trying to make. varteg1
  • Score: 2

5:14pm Fri 1 Aug 14

varteg1 says...

And another point, often missed or deliberately ignored by the Islamic apologists...

In the Munich Olympics, Islamic fundamentalist terrorists attacked and killed a whole load of Jewish /Israeli competitors, (not sure if non Jews copped it too,) as I recall the headlines of the day, called for Palestine to be wiped out, or words to that effect.

A great pity we did not hand the whole place to Israel at that time, much of today's problems would probably never have existed had we done so.

We are either going to have to do something drastic about the growing Islamic militants, and soon, or we will be paying the price and a very heavy price it will be.

The IRA managed to blow holes in London, Warrington, and Manchester , and they had little support when realistically studied, what sort of hell the Muslims, with the vast numbers already amongst us, could inflict on our city centres does not bear thinking about, and the more they gain ground in the middle east and north Africa, the higher the chance of their insurgency arising here.

Especially as many of their young are now well trained in urban warfare.
And another point, often missed or deliberately ignored by the Islamic apologists... In the Munich Olympics, Islamic fundamentalist terrorists attacked and killed a whole load of Jewish /Israeli competitors, (not sure if non Jews copped it too,) as I recall the headlines of the day, called for Palestine to be wiped out, or words to that effect. A great pity we did not hand the whole place to Israel at that time, much of today's problems would probably never have existed had we done so. We are either going to have to do something drastic about the growing Islamic militants, and soon, or we will be paying the price and a very heavy price it will be. The IRA managed to blow holes in London, Warrington, and Manchester , and they had little support when realistically studied, what sort of hell the Muslims, with the vast numbers already amongst us, could inflict on our city centres does not bear thinking about, and the more they gain ground in the middle east and north Africa, the higher the chance of their insurgency arising here. Especially as many of their young are now well trained in urban warfare. varteg1
  • Score: 4

6:04pm Fri 1 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

H. Roland ap Watcyn.

I also do not see quite what my name might or might not have been when born has to do with the issue in question. But then I did not make any mention of religion, either.
H. Roland ap Watcyn. I also do not see quite what my name might or might not have been when born has to do with the issue in question. But then I did not make any mention of religion, either. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -4

6:10pm Fri 1 Aug 14

jimmytheone2 says...

varteg1 wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I suppose, going on your adopted name, you are one of those in conflict with England over the inalienable rights of the Cymro to 'pursue salvation by whatever means'

Good on yer, I cannot wait to see the response of our neighbours when the Cenedlaetholdeb Cymreig, those Meibion Glyndŵr start lobbing molotov cocktails over the Severn into Avon, Shropshire, Somerset and Cheshire.
History is full of poor downtrodden peoples wailing and whining about how their particular spot on the planet was overrun by invading forces,

Just because Israel has only been doing it for a just over a half century, which of course totally ignores the fact the Hebrews were there forever it seems, prior to the Islamification of much of the region, and which caused the diaspora in most part, does not excuse the antics of the Muslims in their attempt to ethnically cleanse the Jew from the region.

The ever present threats by Islam to eradicate Israel and wipe the Jew off the planet does not enter into your childish criticism of a legitimate state that is, and has been, under attack since it was formed, in the post war period. Take a look around you bozo, just what have you got in your home you can thank Islam for?
Music?
Art?
Theatre?
Cinema?
Scientific and technological items?

Thought not.

Stack that culture, much of which has been engendered over the last two millennia through the patronage and achievements of Jews, against that coming from Islam, and ask yourself, what is it the Jews have going for them that Muslims have not.
The bulk of our own civilisation is based in ethical behaviour first accredited to the Hebrews, not forgetting your Christian values came from a Jewish background, You want that taken away? then keep on offering support and succour to those that want Israel destroyed., it'll be your turn soon enough.6

Civilisation old chum, very overt in Israel shockingly absent , not only in Gaza, but across the Islamic world.
Ah, I see....... this is a 'beauty parade' to determine whether we should support Islam or Israel based on music, theatre, cinema and art.

I'd not thought of looking at it in that way before. That's very clever. So instead of moral or other weightier issues, we judge 'right' and ' wrong', and take the side of those countries or cultures that give us the best films, or the most popular music. Brilliant.

We're going to have to rethink our foreign policy now. We've been sympathetic to the plight of Ukraine against the clear interference and aggression of Russia. But that's okay now as Russia has better films and art. We'd better switch our support.
Of course it's beauty parade, one which has given the world an overwhelming amount of culture that we take automatically as our own
CIVILISATION.

It comes from a section of the religious community that expands the horizons beyond mere head banging and washing their feet etc., five times a day, and virtually doing nothing cultural else.

I see Islam as a retrograde cult, with absolutely nothing in it for us.
Our civilisation has arrived at todays date over a couple of millennia adopting and adapting , embracing that we wound beneficial, and rejecting that we found irritating, annoying and dangerous.
That is why we kept Islam at bay for a half a millennia, but thanks to bleeding heart liberals, who have encouraged western governments to welco9me large numbers of immigrants from Islamic counties, we now have to bend over and be shafted.

Israel, for all faults perceived, is the new balkans, in effect, stemming the tide, for as long as it exists, and resists the perpetual onslaught from the rest of the middle eastern Islamic states it does us the favour of keeping this obnoxious cult at bay.

Now if you cannot agree, then how about you up sticks and go live in Gaza or any other Islamic state, where |I am certain your sensitivities over Gaza will be mots appreciated.

Islam takes no prisoners, metaphorically speaking, it has a world wide agenda to not only erase Israel, but to utilise whatever procedure it feels necessary, to eradicate the Jews, and their religion, doing just that bas it marches steadily onwards towards that global caliphate it so often rants about.

As for the Ukraine matter, I have no doubt, from the tone and contents of mushy of your sub missions here, that you would be pleased to welcome another fascist state arise,because that is what the eastern Ukrainian rebellion is all about. Russia has this on it's border, and I see a high degree of western hype in the matter, All this crap about sanctions is a crock of you know what, we cannot afford to cut ourselves loose, that is why much of existing trading arrangements and agreements with Russia remain in place.
As a matter of fact Russia does produce a very high level of entertainment, from ballet to Classics, from Film to theatre, Much of which being reliant on Jewish cultural and educational background.

Maybe if you took your head out of thet sh*t hole called Gaza and looked at what benefits Islamic stuff has provided, you may learn to appreciate the vast quantity of culture generated by Jews, for certain you'll not want to live under a Sharia based culture, if one can even call it a culture..

However, if you do wish to, don't let me block your passage to the middle east.
I wonder?
Would you by chance be Jewish?
Or work for the Israeli tourist Board? I think you should declare your interest (or should that be obsession?).

I think you are so obsessional with this that you fail to see that I have no sympathy for Palestine or Islam. Or at least none that I have declared. I was merely questioning you mightily strange and desperate logic and applying it to other situations to show how absurd it is.
But thanks for the explanation, I hadn't thought it possible but you've made a dog's dinner of an argument even more of a dog's dinner. That takes some doing.
Anyway, I'm off to look at whether the UK should be supporting North Korea and their tyrant leader - I hear they have better ballet than South Korea. It's those things that matter, isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I suppose, going on your adopted name, you are one of those in conflict with England over the inalienable rights of the Cymro to 'pursue salvation by whatever means' Good on yer, I cannot wait to see the response of our neighbours when the Cenedlaetholdeb Cymreig, those Meibion Glyndŵr start lobbing molotov cocktails over the Severn into Avon, Shropshire, Somerset and Cheshire. History is full of poor downtrodden peoples wailing and whining about how their particular spot on the planet was overrun by invading forces, Just because Israel has only been doing it for a just over a half century, which of course totally ignores the fact the Hebrews were there forever it seems, prior to the Islamification of much of the region, and which caused the diaspora in most part, does not excuse the antics of the Muslims in their attempt to ethnically cleanse the Jew from the region. The ever present threats by Islam to eradicate Israel and wipe the Jew off the planet does not enter into your childish criticism of a legitimate state that is, and has been, under attack since it was formed, in the post war period. Take a look around you bozo, just what have you got in your home you can thank Islam for? Music? Art? Theatre? Cinema? Scientific and technological items? Thought not. Stack that culture, much of which has been engendered over the last two millennia through the patronage and achievements of Jews, against that coming from Islam, and ask yourself, what is it the Jews have going for them that Muslims have not. The bulk of our own civilisation is based in ethical behaviour first accredited to the Hebrews, not forgetting your Christian values came from a Jewish background, You want that taken away? then keep on offering support and succour to those that want Israel destroyed., it'll be your turn soon enough.6 Civilisation old chum, very overt in Israel shockingly absent , not only in Gaza, but across the Islamic world.[/p][/quote]Ah, I see....... this is a 'beauty parade' to determine whether we should support Islam or Israel based on music, theatre, cinema and art. I'd not thought of looking at it in that way before. That's very clever. So instead of moral or other weightier issues, we judge 'right' and ' wrong', and take the side of those countries or cultures that give us the best films, or the most popular music. Brilliant. We're going to have to rethink our foreign policy now. We've been sympathetic to the plight of Ukraine against the clear interference and aggression of Russia. But that's okay now as Russia has better films and art. We'd better switch our support.[/p][/quote]Of course it's beauty parade, one which has given the world an overwhelming amount of culture that we take automatically as our own CIVILISATION. It comes from a section of the religious community that expands the horizons beyond mere head banging and washing their feet etc., five times a day, and virtually doing nothing cultural else. I see Islam as a retrograde cult, with absolutely nothing in it for us. Our civilisation has arrived at todays date over a couple of millennia adopting and adapting , embracing that we wound beneficial, and rejecting that we found irritating, annoying and dangerous. That is why we kept Islam at bay for a half a millennia, but thanks to bleeding heart liberals, who have encouraged western governments to welco9me large numbers of immigrants from Islamic counties, we now have to bend over and be shafted. Israel, for all faults perceived, is the new balkans, in effect, stemming the tide, for as long as it exists, and resists the perpetual onslaught from the rest of the middle eastern Islamic states it does us the favour of keeping this obnoxious cult at bay. Now if you cannot agree, then how about you up sticks and go live in Gaza or any other Islamic state, where |I am certain your sensitivities over Gaza will be mots appreciated. Islam takes no prisoners, metaphorically speaking, it has a world wide agenda to not only erase Israel, but to utilise whatever procedure it feels necessary, to eradicate the Jews, and their religion, doing just that bas it marches steadily onwards towards that global caliphate it so often rants about. As for the Ukraine matter, I have no doubt, from the tone and contents of mushy of your sub missions here, that you would be pleased to welcome another fascist state arise,because that is what the eastern Ukrainian rebellion is all about. Russia has this on it's border, and I see a high degree of western hype in the matter, All this crap about sanctions is a crock of you know what, we cannot afford to cut ourselves loose, that is why much of existing trading arrangements and agreements with Russia remain in place. As a matter of fact Russia does produce a very high level of entertainment, from ballet to Classics, from Film to theatre, Much of which being reliant on Jewish cultural and educational background. Maybe if you took your head out of thet sh*t hole called Gaza and looked at what benefits Islamic stuff has provided, you may learn to appreciate the vast quantity of culture generated by Jews, for certain you'll not want to live under a Sharia based culture, if one can even call it a culture.. However, if you do wish to, don't let me block your passage to the middle east.[/p][/quote]I wonder? Would you by chance be Jewish? Or work for the Israeli tourist Board? I think you should declare your interest (or should that be obsession?). I think you are so obsessional with this that you fail to see that I have no sympathy for Palestine or Islam. Or at least none that I have declared. I was merely questioning you mightily strange and desperate logic and applying it to other situations to show how absurd it is. But thanks for the explanation, I hadn't thought it possible but you've made a dog's dinner of an argument even more of a dog's dinner. That takes some doing. Anyway, I'm off to look at whether the UK should be supporting North Korea and their tyrant leader - I hear they have better ballet than South Korea. It's those things that matter, isn't it? jimmytheone2
  • Score: -4

6:23pm Fri 1 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

H. Roland ap Watcyn.

Varteg 1. Amusing - as though anyone would feel the need to create a second.

I have, with the utmost patience, endeavoured to see a rational argument in your utterances. However, on this rarest of occasions, I find myself to have failed, utterly.

Out of curiosity, as it appears to be a matter of some significance to you, just what do you imagine my name, my real as you would probably put it, to be.
H. Roland ap Watcyn. Varteg 1. Amusing - as though anyone would feel the need to create a second. I have, with the utmost patience, endeavoured to see a rational argument in your utterances. However, on this rarest of occasions, I find myself to have failed, utterly. Out of curiosity, as it appears to be a matter of some significance to you, just what do you imagine my name, my real as you would probably put it, to be. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -5

7:18pm Fri 1 Aug 14

varteg1 says...

h.watcyn023@btintern
et.com
wrote:
H. Roland ap Watcyn.

Varteg 1. Amusing - as though anyone would feel the need to create a second.

I have, with the utmost patience, endeavoured to see a rational argument in your utterances. However, on this rarest of occasions, I find myself to have failed, utterly.

Out of curiosity, as it appears to be a matter of some significance to you, just what do you imagine my name, my real as you would probably put it, to be.
Having come across quite a few who have suddenly acquired Cymraeg names, Mr H. Roland Watkin (s), like for example Ffred Jones, and many more who have added Ap , as well as changing the spelling because the
J or K do not appear in Cymraeg, the talk then often turns to English bashing, 'Those bloody Saes have been stealing Cymraeg Water, coal, steel, sheep, etc etc, for centuries, and taken to extremes, by burning out holiday homes attempted bombings ,and demanding 'independence'.
The very implication of such name modification indicates a streak of nationalist fervour. Otherwise why bother?, Unless you think it a matter of affectation, similar to some couples double barreling their names after marriage, I certainly see it as affectation.
I support Israel's stance and actions because I see no percentage in what the Islamic states are trying to obtain.
Their perpetual attack ion Israel is a pot boiler to keep their populations on track towards a global acceptance of Islam.

Not for me, I have to say, and I see it vital to use ANY means however violent to see Islam revert to the deserts it sprang from. and forced to accept it's tenets do not fit with the civilised world that surrounds it.
[quote][p][bold]h.watcyn023@btintern et.com[/bold] wrote: H. Roland ap Watcyn. Varteg 1. Amusing - as though anyone would feel the need to create a second. I have, with the utmost patience, endeavoured to see a rational argument in your utterances. However, on this rarest of occasions, I find myself to have failed, utterly. Out of curiosity, as it appears to be a matter of some significance to you, just what do you imagine my name, my real as you would probably put it, to be.[/p][/quote]Having come across quite a few who have suddenly acquired Cymraeg names, Mr H. Roland Watkin (s), like for example Ffred Jones, and many more who have added Ap , as well as changing the spelling because the J or K do not appear in Cymraeg, the talk then often turns to English bashing, 'Those bloody Saes have been stealing Cymraeg Water, coal, steel, sheep, etc etc, for centuries, and taken to extremes, by burning out holiday homes attempted bombings ,and demanding 'independence'. The very implication of such name modification indicates a streak of nationalist fervour. Otherwise why bother?, Unless you think it a matter of affectation, similar to some couples double barreling their names after marriage, I certainly see it as affectation. I support Israel's stance and actions because I see no percentage in what the Islamic states are trying to obtain. Their perpetual attack ion Israel is a pot boiler to keep their populations on track towards a global acceptance of Islam. Not for me, I have to say, and I see it vital to use ANY means however violent to see Islam revert to the deserts it sprang from. and forced to accept it's tenets do not fit with the civilised world that surrounds it. varteg1
  • Score: 3

7:36pm Fri 1 Aug 14

varteg1 says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I suppose, going on your adopted name, you are one of those in conflict with England over the inalienable rights of the Cymro to 'pursue salvation by whatever means'

Good on yer, I cannot wait to see the response of our neighbours when the Cenedlaetholdeb Cymreig, those Meibion Glyndŵr start lobbing molotov cocktails over the Severn into Avon, Shropshire, Somerset and Cheshire.
History is full of poor downtrodden peoples wailing and whining about how their particular spot on the planet was overrun by invading forces,

Just because Israel has only been doing it for a just over a half century, which of course totally ignores the fact the Hebrews were there forever it seems, prior to the Islamification of much of the region, and which caused the diaspora in most part, does not excuse the antics of the Muslims in their attempt to ethnically cleanse the Jew from the region.

The ever present threats by Islam to eradicate Israel and wipe the Jew off the planet does not enter into your childish criticism of a legitimate state that is, and has been, under attack since it was formed, in the post war period. Take a look around you bozo, just what have you got in your home you can thank Islam for?
Music?
Art?
Theatre?
Cinema?
Scientific and technological items?

Thought not.

Stack that culture, much of which has been engendered over the last two millennia through the patronage and achievements of Jews, against that coming from Islam, and ask yourself, what is it the Jews have going for them that Muslims have not.
The bulk of our own civilisation is based in ethical behaviour first accredited to the Hebrews, not forgetting your Christian values came from a Jewish background, You want that taken away? then keep on offering support and succour to those that want Israel destroyed., it'll be your turn soon enough.6

Civilisation old chum, very overt in Israel shockingly absent , not only in Gaza, but across the Islamic world.
Ah, I see....... this is a 'beauty parade' to determine whether we should support Islam or Israel based on music, theatre, cinema and art.

I'd not thought of looking at it in that way before. That's very clever. So instead of moral or other weightier issues, we judge 'right' and ' wrong', and take the side of those countries or cultures that give us the best films, or the most popular music. Brilliant.

We're going to have to rethink our foreign policy now. We've been sympathetic to the plight of Ukraine against the clear interference and aggression of Russia. But that's okay now as Russia has better films and art. We'd better switch our support.
Of course it's beauty parade, one which has given the world an overwhelming amount of culture that we take automatically as our own
CIVILISATION.

It comes from a section of the religious community that expands the horizons beyond mere head banging and washing their feet etc., five times a day, and virtually doing nothing cultural else.

I see Islam as a retrograde cult, with absolutely nothing in it for us.
Our civilisation has arrived at todays date over a couple of millennia adopting and adapting , embracing that we wound beneficial, and rejecting that we found irritating, annoying and dangerous.
That is why we kept Islam at bay for a half a millennia, but thanks to bleeding heart liberals, who have encouraged western governments to welco9me large numbers of immigrants from Islamic counties, we now have to bend over and be shafted.

Israel, for all faults perceived, is the new balkans, in effect, stemming the tide, for as long as it exists, and resists the perpetual onslaught from the rest of the middle eastern Islamic states it does us the favour of keeping this obnoxious cult at bay.

Now if you cannot agree, then how about you up sticks and go live in Gaza or any other Islamic state, where |I am certain your sensitivities over Gaza will be mots appreciated.

Islam takes no prisoners, metaphorically speaking, it has a world wide agenda to not only erase Israel, but to utilise whatever procedure it feels necessary, to eradicate the Jews, and their religion, doing just that bas it marches steadily onwards towards that global caliphate it so often rants about.

As for the Ukraine matter, I have no doubt, from the tone and contents of mushy of your sub missions here, that you would be pleased to welcome another fascist state arise,because that is what the eastern Ukrainian rebellion is all about. Russia has this on it's border, and I see a high degree of western hype in the matter, All this crap about sanctions is a crock of you know what, we cannot afford to cut ourselves loose, that is why much of existing trading arrangements and agreements with Russia remain in place.
As a matter of fact Russia does produce a very high level of entertainment, from ballet to Classics, from Film to theatre, Much of which being reliant on Jewish cultural and educational background.

Maybe if you took your head out of thet sh*t hole called Gaza and looked at what benefits Islamic stuff has provided, you may learn to appreciate the vast quantity of culture generated by Jews, for certain you'll not want to live under a Sharia based culture, if one can even call it a culture..

However, if you do wish to, don't let me block your passage to the middle east.
I wonder?
Would you by chance be Jewish?
Or work for the Israeli tourist Board? I think you should declare your interest (or should that be obsession?).

I think you are so obsessional with this that you fail to see that I have no sympathy for Palestine or Islam. Or at least none that I have declared. I was merely questioning you mightily strange and desperate logic and applying it to other situations to show how absurd it is.
But thanks for the explanation, I hadn't thought it possible but you've made a dog's dinner of an argument even more of a dog's dinner. That takes some doing.
Anyway, I'm off to look at whether the UK should be supporting North Korea and their tyrant leader - I hear they have better ballet than South Korea. It's those things that matter, isn't it?
If you cared to read and make some effort to comprehend, you may have noticed I stated my religious affiliation in a previous message......

I have none.....comprendi?

If you have no sympathy for Palestine, or Islam, how come you make a bloody good job of sympathising with those under retaliatory actions by the Israeli's?

Get real pal, we have unbounded thanks to be given to the Jews, if not Israel, I can accept that Israel is being somewhat violent in it's response to the attacks on it's territory and people, but as it is now the recognised homeland of Judaism and a large population of Jews, I see no reason to castigate either the people orm the country for whatever actions it is taking.
As stated, we have a great deal to thank Jews for, we have nothing to thank Islam for.
Now if you want to live in a cultural wasteland good on you, I HAVE lived in one, called the middle east,and am rabidly antipathetic to it, and the cult that it has spawned, it was a backward society, that embraced the trappings of modernity but failed to understand, that without those trappings it would be, as it was, and under all the gloss, still is, a primitive mediaeval void on this planet.

Take away their imported technology and they would die from the very lack of it.
As long as we in the west, and the rest if the non Muslim world try to be ever so kind and good to these people, their religion refuses to allow them to respond with other than extreme violence, just in case, if showing a grateful response they would begin to sense their indoctrination was a falsity, and they were being led into the light of rationality and reason.

The only way to deal with Islam, is to drive it down.
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I suppose, going on your adopted name, you are one of those in conflict with England over the inalienable rights of the Cymro to 'pursue salvation by whatever means' Good on yer, I cannot wait to see the response of our neighbours when the Cenedlaetholdeb Cymreig, those Meibion Glyndŵr start lobbing molotov cocktails over the Severn into Avon, Shropshire, Somerset and Cheshire. History is full of poor downtrodden peoples wailing and whining about how their particular spot on the planet was overrun by invading forces, Just because Israel has only been doing it for a just over a half century, which of course totally ignores the fact the Hebrews were there forever it seems, prior to the Islamification of much of the region, and which caused the diaspora in most part, does not excuse the antics of the Muslims in their attempt to ethnically cleanse the Jew from the region. The ever present threats by Islam to eradicate Israel and wipe the Jew off the planet does not enter into your childish criticism of a legitimate state that is, and has been, under attack since it was formed, in the post war period. Take a look around you bozo, just what have you got in your home you can thank Islam for? Music? Art? Theatre? Cinema? Scientific and technological items? Thought not. Stack that culture, much of which has been engendered over the last two millennia through the patronage and achievements of Jews, against that coming from Islam, and ask yourself, what is it the Jews have going for them that Muslims have not. The bulk of our own civilisation is based in ethical behaviour first accredited to the Hebrews, not forgetting your Christian values came from a Jewish background, You want that taken away? then keep on offering support and succour to those that want Israel destroyed., it'll be your turn soon enough.6 Civilisation old chum, very overt in Israel shockingly absent , not only in Gaza, but across the Islamic world.[/p][/quote]Ah, I see....... this is a 'beauty parade' to determine whether we should support Islam or Israel based on music, theatre, cinema and art. I'd not thought of looking at it in that way before. That's very clever. So instead of moral or other weightier issues, we judge 'right' and ' wrong', and take the side of those countries or cultures that give us the best films, or the most popular music. Brilliant. We're going to have to rethink our foreign policy now. We've been sympathetic to the plight of Ukraine against the clear interference and aggression of Russia. But that's okay now as Russia has better films and art. We'd better switch our support.[/p][/quote]Of course it's beauty parade, one which has given the world an overwhelming amount of culture that we take automatically as our own CIVILISATION. It comes from a section of the religious community that expands the horizons beyond mere head banging and washing their feet etc., five times a day, and virtually doing nothing cultural else. I see Islam as a retrograde cult, with absolutely nothing in it for us. Our civilisation has arrived at todays date over a couple of millennia adopting and adapting , embracing that we wound beneficial, and rejecting that we found irritating, annoying and dangerous. That is why we kept Islam at bay for a half a millennia, but thanks to bleeding heart liberals, who have encouraged western governments to welco9me large numbers of immigrants from Islamic counties, we now have to bend over and be shafted. Israel, for all faults perceived, is the new balkans, in effect, stemming the tide, for as long as it exists, and resists the perpetual onslaught from the rest of the middle eastern Islamic states it does us the favour of keeping this obnoxious cult at bay. Now if you cannot agree, then how about you up sticks and go live in Gaza or any other Islamic state, where |I am certain your sensitivities over Gaza will be mots appreciated. Islam takes no prisoners, metaphorically speaking, it has a world wide agenda to not only erase Israel, but to utilise whatever procedure it feels necessary, to eradicate the Jews, and their religion, doing just that bas it marches steadily onwards towards that global caliphate it so often rants about. As for the Ukraine matter, I have no doubt, from the tone and contents of mushy of your sub missions here, that you would be pleased to welcome another fascist state arise,because that is what the eastern Ukrainian rebellion is all about. Russia has this on it's border, and I see a high degree of western hype in the matter, All this crap about sanctions is a crock of you know what, we cannot afford to cut ourselves loose, that is why much of existing trading arrangements and agreements with Russia remain in place. As a matter of fact Russia does produce a very high level of entertainment, from ballet to Classics, from Film to theatre, Much of which being reliant on Jewish cultural and educational background. Maybe if you took your head out of thet sh*t hole called Gaza and looked at what benefits Islamic stuff has provided, you may learn to appreciate the vast quantity of culture generated by Jews, for certain you'll not want to live under a Sharia based culture, if one can even call it a culture.. However, if you do wish to, don't let me block your passage to the middle east.[/p][/quote]I wonder? Would you by chance be Jewish? Or work for the Israeli tourist Board? I think you should declare your interest (or should that be obsession?). I think you are so obsessional with this that you fail to see that I have no sympathy for Palestine or Islam. Or at least none that I have declared. I was merely questioning you mightily strange and desperate logic and applying it to other situations to show how absurd it is. But thanks for the explanation, I hadn't thought it possible but you've made a dog's dinner of an argument even more of a dog's dinner. That takes some doing. Anyway, I'm off to look at whether the UK should be supporting North Korea and their tyrant leader - I hear they have better ballet than South Korea. It's those things that matter, isn't it?[/p][/quote]If you cared to read and make some effort to comprehend, you may have noticed I stated my religious affiliation in a previous message...... I have none.....comprendi? If you have no sympathy for Palestine, or Islam, how come you make a bloody good job of sympathising with those under retaliatory actions by the Israeli's? Get real pal, we have unbounded thanks to be given to the Jews, if not Israel, I can accept that Israel is being somewhat violent in it's response to the attacks on it's territory and people, but as it is now the recognised homeland of Judaism and a large population of Jews, I see no reason to castigate either the people orm the country for whatever actions it is taking. As stated, we have a great deal to thank Jews for, we have nothing to thank Islam for. Now if you want to live in a cultural wasteland good on you, I HAVE lived in one, called the middle east,and am rabidly antipathetic to it, and the cult that it has spawned, it was a backward society, that embraced the trappings of modernity but failed to understand, that without those trappings it would be, as it was, and under all the gloss, still is, a primitive mediaeval void on this planet. Take away their imported technology and they would die from the very lack of it. As long as we in the west, and the rest if the non Muslim world try to be ever so kind and good to these people, their religion refuses to allow them to respond with other than extreme violence, just in case, if showing a grateful response they would begin to sense their indoctrination was a falsity, and they were being led into the light of rationality and reason. The only way to deal with Islam, is to drive it down. varteg1
  • Score: 3

8:13pm Fri 1 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Nice rebuttal varteg1:

Some Trotsky's like jimmyyellowbelly1 have good intelligence, but completely have no common-sense, as for his "have no sympathy for Palestine or Islam". he always posts in favour of Islam....
Nice rebuttal varteg1: Some Trotsky's like jimmyyellowbelly1 have good intelligence, but completely have no common-sense, as for his "have no sympathy for Palestine or Islam". he always posts in favour of Islam.... welshmen
  • Score: 0

8:52pm Fri 1 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

H. Roland ap Watcyn.

Varteg 1.

Were I to be given to nationalistic extremism, your last statement would provide any and all justification needed for such. It has the privilege of being one of the most moronically illiterate sets of presumptions to have appeared in an inordinately long time. The wholly legitimate decision to revert to the original Celtic presentation and pronunciation of my patronymic (that means the family name of one's father) has no possible connection with any criminal act, or wish to deny any other person the entitlement to their identity, or wish to denigrate such a person for asserting that identity. Rather than trot out tedious gibberish, it would be better to recognize the tragedy of our original name having been removed from us by a culturally intolerant society of the past. But, given the self-evident nature of your statements, I rather doubt that you possess the capacity to appreciate the historic significance of such an act of imperialistic social vandalism.
As to your completely unintelligible reference to religion, you chose to introduce that. Not I. Any offence experienced is a direct consequence of your own actions and, therefore, not a matter for which you are owed any apology.
H. Roland ap Watcyn. Varteg 1. Were I to be given to nationalistic extremism, your last statement would provide any and all justification needed for such. It has the privilege of being one of the most moronically illiterate sets of presumptions to have appeared in an inordinately long time. The wholly legitimate decision to revert to the original Celtic presentation and pronunciation of my patronymic (that means the family name of one's father) has no possible connection with any criminal act, or wish to deny any other person the entitlement to their identity, or wish to denigrate such a person for asserting that identity. Rather than trot out tedious gibberish, it would be better to recognize the tragedy of our original name having been removed from us by a culturally intolerant society of the past. But, given the self-evident nature of your statements, I rather doubt that you possess the capacity to appreciate the historic significance of such an act of imperialistic social vandalism. As to your completely unintelligible reference to religion, you chose to introduce that. Not I. Any offence experienced is a direct consequence of your own actions and, therefore, not a matter for which you are owed any apology. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -3

9:17pm Fri 1 Aug 14

jimmytheone2 says...

varteg1 wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
jimmytheone2 wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
I suppose, going on your adopted name, you are one of those in conflict with England over the inalienable rights of the Cymro to 'pursue salvation by whatever means'

Good on yer, I cannot wait to see the response of our neighbours when the Cenedlaetholdeb Cymreig, those Meibion Glyndŵr start lobbing molotov cocktails over the Severn into Avon, Shropshire, Somerset and Cheshire.
History is full of poor downtrodden peoples wailing and whining about how their particular spot on the planet was overrun by invading forces,

Just because Israel has only been doing it for a just over a half century, which of course totally ignores the fact the Hebrews were there forever it seems, prior to the Islamification of much of the region, and which caused the diaspora in most part, does not excuse the antics of the Muslims in their attempt to ethnically cleanse the Jew from the region.

The ever present threats by Islam to eradicate Israel and wipe the Jew off the planet does not enter into your childish criticism of a legitimate state that is, and has been, under attack since it was formed, in the post war period. Take a look around you bozo, just what have you got in your home you can thank Islam for?
Music?
Art?
Theatre?
Cinema?
Scientific and technological items?

Thought not.

Stack that culture, much of which has been engendered over the last two millennia through the patronage and achievements of Jews, against that coming from Islam, and ask yourself, what is it the Jews have going for them that Muslims have not.
The bulk of our own civilisation is based in ethical behaviour first accredited to the Hebrews, not forgetting your Christian values came from a Jewish background, You want that taken away? then keep on offering support and succour to those that want Israel destroyed., it'll be your turn soon enough.6

Civilisation old chum, very overt in Israel shockingly absent , not only in Gaza, but across the Islamic world.
Ah, I see....... this is a 'beauty parade' to determine whether we should support Islam or Israel based on music, theatre, cinema and art.

I'd not thought of looking at it in that way before. That's very clever. So instead of moral or other weightier issues, we judge 'right' and ' wrong', and take the side of those countries or cultures that give us the best films, or the most popular music. Brilliant.

We're going to have to rethink our foreign policy now. We've been sympathetic to the plight of Ukraine against the clear interference and aggression of Russia. But that's okay now as Russia has better films and art. We'd better switch our support.
Of course it's beauty parade, one which has given the world an overwhelming amount of culture that we take automatically as our own
CIVILISATION.

It comes from a section of the religious community that expands the horizons beyond mere head banging and washing their feet etc., five times a day, and virtually doing nothing cultural else.

I see Islam as a retrograde cult, with absolutely nothing in it for us.
Our civilisation has arrived at todays date over a couple of millennia adopting and adapting , embracing that we wound beneficial, and rejecting that we found irritating, annoying and dangerous.
That is why we kept Islam at bay for a half a millennia, but thanks to bleeding heart liberals, who have encouraged western governments to welco9me large numbers of immigrants from Islamic counties, we now have to bend over and be shafted.

Israel, for all faults perceived, is the new balkans, in effect, stemming the tide, for as long as it exists, and resists the perpetual onslaught from the rest of the middle eastern Islamic states it does us the favour of keeping this obnoxious cult at bay.

Now if you cannot agree, then how about you up sticks and go live in Gaza or any other Islamic state, where |I am certain your sensitivities over Gaza will be mots appreciated.

Islam takes no prisoners, metaphorically speaking, it has a world wide agenda to not only erase Israel, but to utilise whatever procedure it feels necessary, to eradicate the Jews, and their religion, doing just that bas it marches steadily onwards towards that global caliphate it so often rants about.

As for the Ukraine matter, I have no doubt, from the tone and contents of mushy of your sub missions here, that you would be pleased to welcome another fascist state arise,because that is what the eastern Ukrainian rebellion is all about. Russia has this on it's border, and I see a high degree of western hype in the matter, All this crap about sanctions is a crock of you know what, we cannot afford to cut ourselves loose, that is why much of existing trading arrangements and agreements with Russia remain in place.
As a matter of fact Russia does produce a very high level of entertainment, from ballet to Classics, from Film to theatre, Much of which being reliant on Jewish cultural and educational background.

Maybe if you took your head out of thet sh*t hole called Gaza and looked at what benefits Islamic stuff has provided, you may learn to appreciate the vast quantity of culture generated by Jews, for certain you'll not want to live under a Sharia based culture, if one can even call it a culture..

However, if you do wish to, don't let me block your passage to the middle east.
I wonder?
Would you by chance be Jewish?
Or work for the Israeli tourist Board? I think you should declare your interest (or should that be obsession?).

I think you are so obsessional with this that you fail to see that I have no sympathy for Palestine or Islam. Or at least none that I have declared. I was merely questioning you mightily strange and desperate logic and applying it to other situations to show how absurd it is.
But thanks for the explanation, I hadn't thought it possible but you've made a dog's dinner of an argument even more of a dog's dinner. That takes some doing.
Anyway, I'm off to look at whether the UK should be supporting North Korea and their tyrant leader - I hear they have better ballet than South Korea. It's those things that matter, isn't it?
If you cared to read and make some effort to comprehend, you may have noticed I stated my religious affiliation in a previous message......

I have none.....comprendi?

If you have no sympathy for Palestine, or Islam, how come you make a bloody good job of sympathising with those under retaliatory actions by the Israeli's?

Get real pal, we have unbounded thanks to be given to the Jews, if not Israel, I can accept that Israel is being somewhat violent in it's response to the attacks on it's territory and people, but as it is now the recognised homeland of Judaism and a large population of Jews, I see no reason to castigate either the people orm the country for whatever actions it is taking.
As stated, we have a great deal to thank Jews for, we have nothing to thank Islam for.
Now if you want to live in a cultural wasteland good on you, I HAVE lived in one, called the middle east,and am rabidly antipathetic to it, and the cult that it has spawned, it was a backward society, that embraced the trappings of modernity but failed to understand, that without those trappings it would be, as it was, and under all the gloss, still is, a primitive mediaeval void on this planet.

Take away their imported technology and they would die from the very lack of it.
As long as we in the west, and the rest if the non Muslim world try to be ever so kind and good to these people, their religion refuses to allow them to respond with other than extreme violence, just in case, if showing a grateful response they would begin to sense their indoctrination was a falsity, and they were being led into the light of rationality and reason.

The only way to deal with Islam, is to drive it down.
I did read that in your previous posting, but it sounds like a smokescreen to me. The kind of smokescreen I hear all the time from Welshmen and the other right wing extremists, the "I'm not racist, but ......" crap.
That's why I'm trying to flush you out. Normal people don't display this kind of sensitivity and obsessive behaviour (other than Welshmen and his bootlicking apprentice coaldicker). Seek some help. I have a number you could call for some counseling. He's a friend of mine, Mr Arrafat is his name.
Why your rabid hatred of Islam? Did they refuse to serve you alcohol in a bar? Did one of them run off with your wife? C'mon, share it with us, we'll help you get over it.
The west is the best. Yeah, what have we got to learn from anyone (other than the Jews of course - according to you they are responsible for all the great things in the world)?
"Unbounded thanks to the Jews" FFS, listen to yourself, get a grip.
Anyway, got to go. Got to go out in the street and sing the praises of the Jews at the top of my voice. Let the world know what the Jews have done for us and to persuade others to "give unbounded thanks to the Jews" . Ooops, just been sick.
One last thing, and i repeat cos it don't appear to be getting through to you - I have no beef (is that kosher) with the Jews or Islam. I'm questioning your logic and your argument (not your ultimate view) - and your pomposity.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: I suppose, going on your adopted name, you are one of those in conflict with England over the inalienable rights of the Cymro to 'pursue salvation by whatever means' Good on yer, I cannot wait to see the response of our neighbours when the Cenedlaetholdeb Cymreig, those Meibion Glyndŵr start lobbing molotov cocktails over the Severn into Avon, Shropshire, Somerset and Cheshire. History is full of poor downtrodden peoples wailing and whining about how their particular spot on the planet was overrun by invading forces, Just because Israel has only been doing it for a just over a half century, which of course totally ignores the fact the Hebrews were there forever it seems, prior to the Islamification of much of the region, and which caused the diaspora in most part, does not excuse the antics of the Muslims in their attempt to ethnically cleanse the Jew from the region. The ever present threats by Islam to eradicate Israel and wipe the Jew off the planet does not enter into your childish criticism of a legitimate state that is, and has been, under attack since it was formed, in the post war period. Take a look around you bozo, just what have you got in your home you can thank Islam for? Music? Art? Theatre? Cinema? Scientific and technological items? Thought not. Stack that culture, much of which has been engendered over the last two millennia through the patronage and achievements of Jews, against that coming from Islam, and ask yourself, what is it the Jews have going for them that Muslims have not. The bulk of our own civilisation is based in ethical behaviour first accredited to the Hebrews, not forgetting your Christian values came from a Jewish background, You want that taken away? then keep on offering support and succour to those that want Israel destroyed., it'll be your turn soon enough.6 Civilisation old chum, very overt in Israel shockingly absent , not only in Gaza, but across the Islamic world.[/p][/quote]Ah, I see....... this is a 'beauty parade' to determine whether we should support Islam or Israel based on music, theatre, cinema and art. I'd not thought of looking at it in that way before. That's very clever. So instead of moral or other weightier issues, we judge 'right' and ' wrong', and take the side of those countries or cultures that give us the best films, or the most popular music. Brilliant. We're going to have to rethink our foreign policy now. We've been sympathetic to the plight of Ukraine against the clear interference and aggression of Russia. But that's okay now as Russia has better films and art. We'd better switch our support.[/p][/quote]Of course it's beauty parade, one which has given the world an overwhelming amount of culture that we take automatically as our own CIVILISATION. It comes from a section of the religious community that expands the horizons beyond mere head banging and washing their feet etc., five times a day, and virtually doing nothing cultural else. I see Islam as a retrograde cult, with absolutely nothing in it for us. Our civilisation has arrived at todays date over a couple of millennia adopting and adapting , embracing that we wound beneficial, and rejecting that we found irritating, annoying and dangerous. That is why we kept Islam at bay for a half a millennia, but thanks to bleeding heart liberals, who have encouraged western governments to welco9me large numbers of immigrants from Islamic counties, we now have to bend over and be shafted. Israel, for all faults perceived, is the new balkans, in effect, stemming the tide, for as long as it exists, and resists the perpetual onslaught from the rest of the middle eastern Islamic states it does us the favour of keeping this obnoxious cult at bay. Now if you cannot agree, then how about you up sticks and go live in Gaza or any other Islamic state, where |I am certain your sensitivities over Gaza will be mots appreciated. Islam takes no prisoners, metaphorically speaking, it has a world wide agenda to not only erase Israel, but to utilise whatever procedure it feels necessary, to eradicate the Jews, and their religion, doing just that bas it marches steadily onwards towards that global caliphate it so often rants about. As for the Ukraine matter, I have no doubt, from the tone and contents of mushy of your sub missions here, that you would be pleased to welcome another fascist state arise,because that is what the eastern Ukrainian rebellion is all about. Russia has this on it's border, and I see a high degree of western hype in the matter, All this crap about sanctions is a crock of you know what, we cannot afford to cut ourselves loose, that is why much of existing trading arrangements and agreements with Russia remain in place. As a matter of fact Russia does produce a very high level of entertainment, from ballet to Classics, from Film to theatre, Much of which being reliant on Jewish cultural and educational background. Maybe if you took your head out of thet sh*t hole called Gaza and looked at what benefits Islamic stuff has provided, you may learn to appreciate the vast quantity of culture generated by Jews, for certain you'll not want to live under a Sharia based culture, if one can even call it a culture.. However, if you do wish to, don't let me block your passage to the middle east.[/p][/quote]I wonder? Would you by chance be Jewish? Or work for the Israeli tourist Board? I think you should declare your interest (or should that be obsession?). I think you are so obsessional with this that you fail to see that I have no sympathy for Palestine or Islam. Or at least none that I have declared. I was merely questioning you mightily strange and desperate logic and applying it to other situations to show how absurd it is. But thanks for the explanation, I hadn't thought it possible but you've made a dog's dinner of an argument even more of a dog's dinner. That takes some doing. Anyway, I'm off to look at whether the UK should be supporting North Korea and their tyrant leader - I hear they have better ballet than South Korea. It's those things that matter, isn't it?[/p][/quote]If you cared to read and make some effort to comprehend, you may have noticed I stated my religious affiliation in a previous message...... I have none.....comprendi? If you have no sympathy for Palestine, or Islam, how come you make a bloody good job of sympathising with those under retaliatory actions by the Israeli's? Get real pal, we have unbounded thanks to be given to the Jews, if not Israel, I can accept that Israel is being somewhat violent in it's response to the attacks on it's territory and people, but as it is now the recognised homeland of Judaism and a large population of Jews, I see no reason to castigate either the people orm the country for whatever actions it is taking. As stated, we have a great deal to thank Jews for, we have nothing to thank Islam for. Now if you want to live in a cultural wasteland good on you, I HAVE lived in one, called the middle east,and am rabidly antipathetic to it, and the cult that it has spawned, it was a backward society, that embraced the trappings of modernity but failed to understand, that without those trappings it would be, as it was, and under all the gloss, still is, a primitive mediaeval void on this planet. Take away their imported technology and they would die from the very lack of it. As long as we in the west, and the rest if the non Muslim world try to be ever so kind and good to these people, their religion refuses to allow them to respond with other than extreme violence, just in case, if showing a grateful response they would begin to sense their indoctrination was a falsity, and they were being led into the light of rationality and reason. The only way to deal with Islam, is to drive it down.[/p][/quote]I did read that in your previous posting, but it sounds like a smokescreen to me. The kind of smokescreen I hear all the time from Welshmen and the other right wing extremists, the "I'm not racist, but ......" crap. That's why I'm trying to flush you out. Normal people don't display this kind of sensitivity and obsessive behaviour (other than Welshmen and his bootlicking apprentice coaldicker). Seek some help. I have a number you could call for some counseling. He's a friend of mine, Mr Arrafat is his name. Why your rabid hatred of Islam? Did they refuse to serve you alcohol in a bar? Did one of them run off with your wife? C'mon, share it with us, we'll help you get over it. The west is the best. Yeah, what have we got to learn from anyone (other than the Jews of course - according to you they are responsible for all the great things in the world)? "Unbounded thanks to the Jews" FFS, listen to yourself, get a grip. Anyway, got to go. Got to go out in the street and sing the praises of the Jews at the top of my voice. Let the world know what the Jews have done for us and to persuade others to "give unbounded thanks to the Jews" . Ooops, just been sick. One last thing, and i repeat cos it don't appear to be getting through to you - I have no beef (is that kosher) with the Jews or Islam. I'm questioning your logic and your argument (not your ultimate view) - and your pomposity. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -4

9:30pm Fri 1 Aug 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
Nice rebuttal varteg1:

Some Trotsky's like jimmyyellowbelly1 have good intelligence, but completely have no common-sense, as for his "have no sympathy for Palestine or Islam". he always posts in favour of Islam....
I think you're getting me muddled with someone else. I don't recall posting in favour of any nationality, culture or religious group. What i do post on is when I see racism or discrimination. Then I challenge. Doesn't mean I'm in love with them.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Nice rebuttal varteg1: Some Trotsky's like jimmyyellowbelly1 have good intelligence, but completely have no common-sense, as for his "have no sympathy for Palestine or Islam". he always posts in favour of Islam....[/p][/quote]I think you're getting me muddled with someone else. I don't recall posting in favour of any nationality, culture or religious group. What i do post on is when I see racism or discrimination. Then I challenge. Doesn't mean I'm in love with them. jimmytheone2
  • Score: 2

1:38pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

h.watcyn023@btintern
et.com
wrote:
H. Roland ap Watcyn.

Varteg 1.

Were I to be given to nationalistic extremism, your last statement would provide any and all justification needed for such. It has the privilege of being one of the most moronically illiterate sets of presumptions to have appeared in an inordinately long time. The wholly legitimate decision to revert to the original Celtic presentation and pronunciation of my patronymic (that means the family name of one's father) has no possible connection with any criminal act, or wish to deny any other person the entitlement to their identity, or wish to denigrate such a person for asserting that identity. Rather than trot out tedious gibberish, it would be better to recognize the tragedy of our original name having been removed from us by a culturally intolerant society of the past. But, given the self-evident nature of your statements, I rather doubt that you possess the capacity to appreciate the historic significance of such an act of imperialistic social vandalism.
As to your completely unintelligible reference to religion, you chose to introduce that. Not I. Any offence experienced is a direct consequence of your own actions and, therefore, not a matter for which you are owed any apology.
The modern presentation of names has nothing to do with 'imperialist cultural vandalism' but society developing. Or do you imagine that the current population of Rome should adopt the affectation of changing their names to end in 'us', since in Julius Caesars' day a lot of them did. As for changing your moniker to whatever you want being entirely legitimate, true but so would calling yourself Donald Duck. Just admit though that it's a fantasy of your own making and not some historic blame of big bad whoever. Your antiquated persecution complex is your own construct after all.
[quote][p][bold]h.watcyn023@btintern et.com[/bold] wrote: H. Roland ap Watcyn. Varteg 1. Were I to be given to nationalistic extremism, your last statement would provide any and all justification needed for such. It has the privilege of being one of the most moronically illiterate sets of presumptions to have appeared in an inordinately long time. The wholly legitimate decision to revert to the original Celtic presentation and pronunciation of my patronymic (that means the family name of one's father) has no possible connection with any criminal act, or wish to deny any other person the entitlement to their identity, or wish to denigrate such a person for asserting that identity. Rather than trot out tedious gibberish, it would be better to recognize the tragedy of our original name having been removed from us by a culturally intolerant society of the past. But, given the self-evident nature of your statements, I rather doubt that you possess the capacity to appreciate the historic significance of such an act of imperialistic social vandalism. As to your completely unintelligible reference to religion, you chose to introduce that. Not I. Any offence experienced is a direct consequence of your own actions and, therefore, not a matter for which you are owed any apology.[/p][/quote]The modern presentation of names has nothing to do with 'imperialist cultural vandalism' but society developing. Or do you imagine that the current population of Rome should adopt the affectation of changing their names to end in 'us', since in Julius Caesars' day a lot of them did. As for changing your moniker to whatever you want being entirely legitimate, true but so would calling yourself Donald Duck. Just admit though that it's a fantasy of your own making and not some historic blame of big bad whoever. Your antiquated persecution complex is your own construct after all. Stevenboy
  • Score: 3

2:54pm Sat 2 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

H. Roland ap Watcyn.

Varteg 1.

I do not mean to cause you any offence in saying the following: it is simply a statement of perceived fact.

I do not have either the time or patience to equate you with the history of those I recognize to be my people. It a subject of which you self-evidently have little or no comprehension. More than that, I cannot afford to expend more of either in endeavouring to explain to you the ridiculous nature of your tediously irrelevant comparisons and nonsensical illustrations.

You are, of course, as all people are, entitled to hold and express opinion, and to have such entitlement respected. However, that does not include my having to listen to you. You do not have anything to say that is worth my attention.

Consequently, make that the last time you seek to communicate with me, directly.
H. Roland ap Watcyn. Varteg 1. I do not mean to cause you any offence in saying the following: it is simply a statement of perceived fact. I do not have either the time or patience to equate you with the history of those I recognize to be my people. It a subject of which you self-evidently have little or no comprehension. More than that, I cannot afford to expend more of either in endeavouring to explain to you the ridiculous nature of your tediously irrelevant comparisons and nonsensical illustrations. You are, of course, as all people are, entitled to hold and express opinion, and to have such entitlement respected. However, that does not include my having to listen to you. You do not have anything to say that is worth my attention. Consequently, make that the last time you seek to communicate with me, directly. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -1

3:27pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

h.watcyn023@btintern
et.com
wrote:
H. Roland ap Watcyn.

Varteg 1.

I do not mean to cause you any offence in saying the following: it is simply a statement of perceived fact.

I do not have either the time or patience to equate you with the history of those I recognize to be my people. It a subject of which you self-evidently have little or no comprehension. More than that, I cannot afford to expend more of either in endeavouring to explain to you the ridiculous nature of your tediously irrelevant comparisons and nonsensical illustrations.

You are, of course, as all people are, entitled to hold and express opinion, and to have such entitlement respected. However, that does not include my having to listen to you. You do not have anything to say that is worth my attention.

Consequently, make that the last time you seek to communicate with me, directly.
At the risk of sounding even more pompous than you, could I suggest that, if you don't wish your views debated or challenged, then don't publish them in letters to newspapers which grant the right of reply?

Steven ap Jason
[quote][p][bold]h.watcyn023@btintern et.com[/bold] wrote: H. Roland ap Watcyn. Varteg 1. I do not mean to cause you any offence in saying the following: it is simply a statement of perceived fact. I do not have either the time or patience to equate you with the history of those I recognize to be my people. It a subject of which you self-evidently have little or no comprehension. More than that, I cannot afford to expend more of either in endeavouring to explain to you the ridiculous nature of your tediously irrelevant comparisons and nonsensical illustrations. You are, of course, as all people are, entitled to hold and express opinion, and to have such entitlement respected. However, that does not include my having to listen to you. You do not have anything to say that is worth my attention. Consequently, make that the last time you seek to communicate with me, directly.[/p][/quote]At the risk of sounding even more pompous than you, could I suggest that, if you don't wish your views debated or challenged, then don't publish them in letters to newspapers which grant the right of reply? Steven ap Jason Stevenboy
  • Score: 3

4:12pm Sat 2 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

H. Roland ap Watcyn.

Varteg 1.

Debate is one thing, not that I am able to perceive in what way the persistent reference to my ethnicity and personal identity can be described as being such, but when, as in your case, the level of discussion descends to that of, quite frankly, the appearance some form of irrationality, it is reasonable to terminate interaction.

As I have tried, not without patience and due deference to your basic humanity, to state, with distinct and unambiguous clarity, there is no purpose served by my spending time upon matters that are entirely irrelevant any subject I have addressed. I am, as a civilized human being, required to have tolerance, but not to the extent entertaining those of a bizarre, to phrase it politely, disposition.
H. Roland ap Watcyn. Varteg 1. Debate is one thing, not that I am able to perceive in what way the persistent reference to my ethnicity and personal identity can be described as being such, but when, as in your case, the level of discussion descends to that of, quite frankly, the appearance some form of irrationality, it is reasonable to terminate interaction. As I have tried, not without patience and due deference to your basic humanity, to state, with distinct and unambiguous clarity, there is no purpose served by my spending time upon matters that are entirely irrelevant any subject I have addressed. I am, as a civilized human being, required to have tolerance, but not to the extent entertaining those of a bizarre, to phrase it politely, disposition. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -2

11:29am Thu 7 Aug 14

rover100rich says...

what have the muslims done for us , only everything beginning with al,algebra,algorithm
,alcohol,then theres carpets,the world being round theory,windmills , crankshafts,the decimal number system ,medical instruments , libraries , soap ,it goes on and on , my guess is that a lot of this muslim bashing comes from people who have never had any contact with one other than the hysteria in the media
what have the muslims done for us , only everything beginning with al,algebra,algorithm ,alcohol,then theres carpets,the world being round theory,windmills , crankshafts,the decimal number system ,medical instruments , libraries , soap ,it goes on and on , my guess is that a lot of this muslim bashing comes from people who have never had any contact with one other than the hysteria in the media rover100rich
  • Score: -1

10:39am Sun 10 Aug 14

welshmen says...

rover100rich wrote:
what have the muslims done for us , only everything beginning with al,algebra,algorithm

,alcohol,then theres carpets,the world being round theory,windmills , crankshafts,the decimal number system ,medical instruments , libraries , soap ,it goes on and on , my guess is that a lot of this muslim bashing comes from people who have never had any contact with one other than the hysteria in the media
And....
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is
ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:

1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 - Elias James Corey
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:

(zero)

Physics:

(zero)

Medicine:

1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: 7 SEVEN

The Global Jewish population is
approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of
the world's population.

They have received the following
Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:

1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser

1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin

1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach

1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert
Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz

1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm

1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg

1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman

1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl

2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch

1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod

1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow

1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein

1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1996- Lu RoseIacovino

TOTAL: 129!

The Jews are NOT promoting brainwashing children in military training
camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum
deaths of Jews and other non-Muslims.

The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or
blow themselves up in German restaurants.

There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church.

There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people. The Jews
don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all
the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard
education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that
humankind respects them.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the
Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more
culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say
it all:

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more
violence.

If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more
Israel."

Benjamin Netanyahu: General Eisenhower warned us. It is a matter of history
that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight
Eisenhower, found

the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be
taken, and for the German people from
surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury
the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect: 'Get it all on
record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere
down the road of history some idiot will get up and say that this
never happened'

Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its
school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim populationwhich
claims it never occurred.

It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of
the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is
giving into it.

It is now more than 65 years after the Second World War in Europe
ended.

Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust
to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.....
[quote][p][bold]rover100rich[/bold] wrote: what have the muslims done for us , only everything beginning with al,algebra,algorithm ,alcohol,then theres carpets,the world being round theory,windmills , crankshafts,the decimal number system ,medical instruments , libraries , soap ,it goes on and on , my guess is that a lot of this muslim bashing comes from people who have never had any contact with one other than the hysteria in the media[/p][/quote]And.... The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes: Literature: 1988 - Najib Mahfooz Peace: 1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat 1990 - Elias James Corey 1994 - Yaser Arafat: 1999 - Ahmed Zewai Economics: (zero) Physics: (zero) Medicine: 1960 - Peter Brian Medawar 1998 - Ferid Mourad TOTAL: 7 SEVEN The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes: Literature: 1910 - Paul Heyse 1927 - Henri Bergson 1958 - Boris Pasternak 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon 1966 - Nelly Sachs 1976 - Saul Bellow 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer 1981 - Elias Canetti 1987 - Joseph Brodsky 1991 - Nadine Gordimer World Peace: 1911 - Alfred Fried 1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser 1968 - Rene Cassin 1973 - Henry Kissinger 1978 - Menachem Begin 1986 - Elie Wiesel 1994 - Shimon Peres 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin Physics: 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer 1906 - Henri Moissan 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann 1910 - Otto Wallach 1915 - Richard Willstaetter 1918 - Fritz Haber 1921 - Albert Einstein 1922 - Niels Bohr 1925 - James Franck 1925 - Gustav Hertz 1943 - Gustav Stern 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi 1952 - Felix Bloch 1954 - Max Born 1958 - Igor Tamm 1959 - Emilio Segre 1960 - Donald A. Glaser 1961 - Robert Hofstadter 1961 - Melvin Calvin 1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz 1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman 1965 - Julian Schwinger 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann 1971 - Dennis Gabor 1972 - William Howard Stein 1973 - Brian David Josephson 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson 1976 - Burton Richter 1977 - Ilya Prigogine 1978 - Arno Allan Penzias 1978 - Peter L Kapitza 1979 - Stephen Weinberg 1979 - Sheldon Glashow 1979 - Herbert Charles Brown 1980 - Paul Berg 1980 - Walter Gilbert 1981 - Roald Hoffmann 1982 - Aaron Klug 1985 - Albert A. Hauptman 1985 - Jerome Karle 1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach 1988 - Robert Huber 1988 - Leon Lederman 1988 - Melvin Schwartz 1988 - Jack Steinberger 1989 - Sidney Altman 1990 - Jerome Friedman 1992 - Rudolph Marcus 1995 - Martin Perl 2000 - Alan J. Heeger Economics: 1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson 1971 - Simon Kuznets 1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow 1975 - Leonid Kantorovich 1976 - Milton Friedman 1978 - Herbert A. Simon 1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein 1985 - Franco Modigliani 1987 - Robert M. Solow 1990 - Harry Markowitz 1990 - Merton Miller 1992 - Gary Becker 1993 - Robert Fogel Medicine: 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff 1908 - Paul Erlich 1914 - Robert Barany 1922 - Otto Meyerhof 1930 - Karl Landsteiner 1931 - Otto Warburg 1936 - Otto Loewi 1944 - Joseph Erlanger 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain 1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller 1950 - Tadeus Reichstein 1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman 1953 - Hans Krebs 1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann 1958 - Joshua Lederberg 1959 - Arthur Kornberg 1964 - Konrad Bloch 1965 - Francois Jacob 1965 - Andre Lwoff 1967 - George Wald 1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg 1969 - Salvador Luria 1970 - Julius Axelrod 1970 - Sir Bernard Katz 1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman 1975 - Howard Martin Temin 1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg 1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow 1978 - Daniel Nathans 1980 - Baruj Benacerraf 1984 - Cesar Milstein 1985 - Michael Stuart Brown 1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein 1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini] 1988 - Gertrude Elion 1989 - Harold Varmus 1991 - Erwin Neher 1991 - Bert Sakmann 1993 - Richard J. Roberts 1993 - Phillip Sharp 1994 - Alfred Gilman 1995 - Edward B. Lewis 1996- Lu RoseIacovino TOTAL: 129! The Jews are NOT promoting brainwashing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non-Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people. The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels. Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems. Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them. Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all: 'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel." Benjamin Netanyahu: General Eisenhower warned us. It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead. He did this because he said in words to this effect: 'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some idiot will get up and say that this never happened' Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim populationwhich claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it. It is now more than 65 years after the Second World War in Europe ended. Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets..... welshmen
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