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1:40pm Mon 11 Aug 14

-trigg- says...

Don't worry, short-sighted 'greens' will never allow the road to be built, much preferring the pollution caused daily by the mile upon mile of traffic jams along the existing M4.

Or is because they want to save their precious wetlands as potential sites for wind turbines, which can seemingly be erected anywhere without a word of protest?
Don't worry, short-sighted 'greens' will never allow the road to be built, much preferring the pollution caused daily by the mile upon mile of traffic jams along the existing M4. Or is because they want to save their precious wetlands as potential sites for wind turbines, which can seemingly be erected anywhere without a word of protest? -trigg-
  • Score: 2

5:02pm Mon 11 Aug 14

throwy1 says...

Except Trigg, we are not short sighted we are very well informed.
If those who use the M4 through Newport obeyed the variable speed limits as set there would not be mile upon mile of jams.

You are right in your second paragraph though, the Wetlands are very precious and long may they be so.
Except Trigg, we are not short sighted we are very well informed. If those who use the M4 through Newport obeyed the variable speed limits as set there would not be mile upon mile of jams. You are right in your second paragraph though, the Wetlands are very precious and long may they be so. throwy1
  • Score: 4

5:29pm Mon 11 Aug 14

-trigg- says...

The problem isn't with people obeying the variable speed limit signs. After all it's a little difficult to drive along at 50 mph when the cars in front of you are staionary.

There is simply too much traffic for the M4 as designed, so a replacement is not only desirable but essential
The problem isn't with people obeying the variable speed limit signs. After all it's a little difficult to drive along at 50 mph when the cars in front of you are staionary. There is simply too much traffic for the M4 as designed, so a replacement is not only desirable but essential -trigg-
  • Score: 0

6:56pm Mon 11 Aug 14

endthelies says...

Ive visited the wetlands and its a beautiful area. I can see a road as soon as I open my front door, to see an area of natural beauty is not so easy. I hope its kept just as it is.
Ive visited the wetlands and its a beautiful area. I can see a road as soon as I open my front door, to see an area of natural beauty is not so easy. I hope its kept just as it is. endthelies
  • Score: 1

8:19am Tue 12 Aug 14

exMark says...

I've visited the Wetlands, and from the wetlands you can see industrial Newport, some old factories, the wind turbines at Solutia etc. etc.

Having them in view did not spoil my experience and having the relief road won't spoil the experience.
I've visited the Wetlands, and from the wetlands you can see industrial Newport, some old factories, the wind turbines at Solutia etc. etc. Having them in view did not spoil my experience and having the relief road won't spoil the experience. exMark
  • Score: -2

1:03pm Tue 12 Aug 14

throwy1 says...

-trigg- wrote:
The problem isn't with people obeying the variable speed limit signs. After all it's a little difficult to drive along at 50 mph when the cars in front of you are staionary.

There is simply too much traffic for the M4 as designed, so a replacement is not only desirable but essential
trig, when traffic is stationary, which isn't often, the variable speed limit is reduced, that is why it is variable to keep traffic flowing, it works.
The only time it is stationary is when an accident has occurred and they are mostly due to speeding motorists.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: The problem isn't with people obeying the variable speed limit signs. After all it's a little difficult to drive along at 50 mph when the cars in front of you are staionary. There is simply too much traffic for the M4 as designed, so a replacement is not only desirable but essential[/p][/quote]trig, when traffic is stationary, which isn't often, the variable speed limit is reduced, that is why it is variable to keep traffic flowing, it works. The only time it is stationary is when an accident has occurred and they are mostly due to speeding motorists. throwy1
  • Score: 2

9:53am Wed 13 Aug 14

-trigg- says...

You can vary the speed limit as much as you like, but when the traffic isn't moving it really won't do anything. The signs can have whatever number you like on there but people will still be going nowhere with their engines running, adding to the overall pollution.

The simple fact is that the layout of the road cannot cope with the volume of traffic that wants to use it during peak periods. You may disagree with the route chosen but there's simply no denying that a new road is needed
You can vary the speed limit as much as you like, but when the traffic isn't moving it really won't do anything. The signs can have whatever number you like on there but people will still be going nowhere with their engines running, adding to the overall pollution. The simple fact is that the layout of the road cannot cope with the volume of traffic that wants to use it during peak periods. You may disagree with the route chosen but there's simply no denying that a new road is needed -trigg-
  • Score: -1

12:45pm Wed 13 Aug 14

throwy1 says...

Trigg a new road isn't needed. The variable sensors set the limits and are designed to keep traffic moving. The only time(s) it fails is when a driver loses patience and decides he/she knows best, speeds up and causes an accident.
Trigg a new road isn't needed. The variable sensors set the limits and are designed to keep traffic moving. The only time(s) it fails is when a driver loses patience and decides he/she knows best, speeds up and causes an accident. throwy1
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5:37pm Wed 13 Aug 14

-trigg- says...

No.

The only times the system fails is EVERY SINGLE rush hour, when a driver CAN'T speed up, no matter how impatient they become.
No. The only times the system fails is EVERY SINGLE rush hour, when a driver CAN'T speed up, no matter how impatient they become. -trigg-
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6:44pm Thu 14 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Motorways provide a lot for wildlife, the verges, the tree line's, water culvert's, roundabouts, you'll find all kinds of wild animals in these places, wild animals can adapt as we have, they move on, find somewhere else to nest and eat, what's going to happen when the Seven Barrage is built, we don't want the same old stories that the Barrage will destroy all wild life as we now it because it wont ever....The New M4 is needed for people....
Motorways provide a lot for wildlife, the verges, the tree line's, water culvert's, roundabouts, you'll find all kinds of wild animals in these places, wild animals can adapt as we have, they move on, find somewhere else to nest and eat, what's going to happen when the Seven Barrage is built, we don't want the same old stories that the Barrage will destroy all wild life as we now it because it wont ever....The New M4 is needed for people.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

7:17pm Thu 14 Aug 14

endthelies says...

welshmen wrote:
Motorways provide a lot for wildlife, the verges, the tree line's, water culvert's, roundabouts, you'll find all kinds of wild animals in these places, wild animals can adapt as we have, they move on, find somewhere else to nest and eat, what's going to happen when the Seven Barrage is built, we don't want the same old stories that the Barrage will destroy all wild life as we now it because it wont ever....The New M4 is needed for people....
The new m4 is needed for SOME people, not all. Some people would rather keep the ever decreasing green land that's around. It always seems to me that the answer to more and more traffic seems to be to build more and more roads. When will it stop. The answer is never. All we'll have are those long, long roads, with tree upon identical tree so there's not even a view from your car. I don't think constantly tarmacking everything is the answer. Clearly not as we are still having to build more and more new roads. We need good, price competitive transport links. just my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Motorways provide a lot for wildlife, the verges, the tree line's, water culvert's, roundabouts, you'll find all kinds of wild animals in these places, wild animals can adapt as we have, they move on, find somewhere else to nest and eat, what's going to happen when the Seven Barrage is built, we don't want the same old stories that the Barrage will destroy all wild life as we now it because it wont ever....The New M4 is needed for people....[/p][/quote]The new m4 is needed for SOME people, not all. Some people would rather keep the ever decreasing green land that's around. It always seems to me that the answer to more and more traffic seems to be to build more and more roads. When will it stop. The answer is never. All we'll have are those long, long roads, with tree upon identical tree so there's not even a view from your car. I don't think constantly tarmacking everything is the answer. Clearly not as we are still having to build more and more new roads. We need good, price competitive transport links. just my opinion. endthelies
  • Score: 0

10:40am Tue 19 Aug 14

welshmen says...

endthelies wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Motorways provide a lot for wildlife, the verges, the tree line's, water culvert's, roundabouts, you'll find all kinds of wild animals in these places, wild animals can adapt as we have, they move on, find somewhere else to nest and eat, what's going to happen when the Seven Barrage is built, we don't want the same old stories that the Barrage will destroy all wild life as we now it because it wont ever....The New M4 is needed for people....
The new m4 is needed for SOME people, not all. Some people would rather keep the ever decreasing green land that's around. It always seems to me that the answer to more and more traffic seems to be to build more and more roads. When will it stop. The answer is never. All we'll have are those long, long roads, with tree upon identical tree so there's not even a view from your car. I don't think constantly tarmacking everything is the answer. Clearly not as we are still having to build more and more new roads. We need good, price competitive transport links. just my opinion.
More to the point of green land, there's over five million people waiting for a home, Governments have said we need 288,000 homes a year to keep pace, as we know that's not happening, anyone from anywhere can come here and are given priority over the British, when's enough enough, just imagine more roads to accommodate more immigrants along with all the infrastructure, schools, hospitals, etc, they are already relaxing the planning laws to allow green field building, that's not to accommodate British born and bred, our motorway excursion is not even scratching the surface in comparison....
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Motorways provide a lot for wildlife, the verges, the tree line's, water culvert's, roundabouts, you'll find all kinds of wild animals in these places, wild animals can adapt as we have, they move on, find somewhere else to nest and eat, what's going to happen when the Seven Barrage is built, we don't want the same old stories that the Barrage will destroy all wild life as we now it because it wont ever....The New M4 is needed for people....[/p][/quote]The new m4 is needed for SOME people, not all. Some people would rather keep the ever decreasing green land that's around. It always seems to me that the answer to more and more traffic seems to be to build more and more roads. When will it stop. The answer is never. All we'll have are those long, long roads, with tree upon identical tree so there's not even a view from your car. I don't think constantly tarmacking everything is the answer. Clearly not as we are still having to build more and more new roads. We need good, price competitive transport links. just my opinion.[/p][/quote]More to the point of green land, there's over five million people waiting for a home, Governments have said we need 288,000 homes a year to keep pace, as we know that's not happening, anyone from anywhere can come here and are given priority over the British, when's enough enough, just imagine more roads to accommodate more immigrants along with all the infrastructure, schools, hospitals, etc, they are already relaxing the planning laws to allow green field building, that's not to accommodate British born and bred, our motorway excursion is not even scratching the surface in comparison.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

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