English freedom

First published in Letters

ENGLAND is the last remnant of the British Empire which has yet to be given its freedom, according to the man who was head of the Local Government Association (LGA). Sir Merrick Cockell represented 373 councils in England and Wales and feels England needs devolution like Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. He says England is the last remnant of the British Empire. Everyone else has been given back their freedom.

Andrew Nutt, Heolddu Rd, Bargoed

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1:49pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Walter Devereux says...

Are all nationalists this deluded? What on earth do you mean by "freedom"? Why do you consider an arbitrary portion of the island of Great Britain being governed in the Westminster model any different to the whole of the island of Great Britain being governed in the Westminster model?

Since the formation of the Kingdom of Great Britain it has never been a dictatorship, so your facile references to "freedom" are insulting to those poor souls who have lived under such a system.
Are all nationalists this deluded? What on earth do you mean by "freedom"? Why do you consider an arbitrary portion of the island of Great Britain being governed in the Westminster model any different to the whole of the island of Great Britain being governed in the Westminster model? Since the formation of the Kingdom of Great Britain it has never been a dictatorship, so your facile references to "freedom" are insulting to those poor souls who have lived under such a system. Walter Devereux
  • Score: 11

3:40pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

Walter Devereux wrote:
Are all nationalists this deluded? What on earth do you mean by "freedom"? Why do you consider an arbitrary portion of the island of Great Britain being governed in the Westminster model any different to the whole of the island of Great Britain being governed in the Westminster model?

Since the formation of the Kingdom of Great Britain it has never been a dictatorship, so your facile references to "freedom" are insulting to those poor souls who have lived under such a system.
Not a dictatorship, but not a democracy either, and only the last 250 years we managed to get a vote, remember the Chartists. We are ruled by an unelected government as we write. A country ruled by a small area in SE England and has all the power concentrated in it, has to be bad for any democracy, autonomy is safer and better. The numbers game means no area outside England or even outside London, can determine anything.
[quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: Are all nationalists this deluded? What on earth do you mean by "freedom"? Why do you consider an arbitrary portion of the island of Great Britain being governed in the Westminster model any different to the whole of the island of Great Britain being governed in the Westminster model? Since the formation of the Kingdom of Great Britain it has never been a dictatorship, so your facile references to "freedom" are insulting to those poor souls who have lived under such a system.[/p][/quote]Not a dictatorship, but not a democracy either, and only the last 250 years we managed to get a vote, remember the Chartists. We are ruled by an unelected government as we write. A country ruled by a small area in SE England and has all the power concentrated in it, has to be bad for any democracy, autonomy is safer and better. The numbers game means no area outside England or even outside London, can determine anything. Mervyn James
  • Score: -7

4:02pm Mon 11 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt.
Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.
if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt. Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up. pwlldu
  • Score: -6

4:49pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Monmouthshire Merlin says...

pwlldu wrote:
if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt.
Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.
Pwlldu, you are the writer of this article. You are Andrew Nutt!!

Now to the point, devolution has been an unmitigated disaster for the people of Wales. Consider the following all having been devolved,controlled by the Welsh Assembly, sorry self proclaimed Government.
Education, worst in the UK FISA
Health Service. A disgrace, waiting lists, ambulance waiting times.
Social Services or lack of them!
Drugs rife in the valleys, little money available to fight them.
Nothing to do with money from Westminster, all to do with a an unnecessary tier of pen pushersinthe Bay of plenty (Cardiff) Also, if you happen to speak Welsh a job for the boys, because no private business requires them.
There is always money to waste on the Welsh language, another £1.8 million last week.
Wake up to reality Mr Nutt, the vast majority are sick of your nationalist agenda.
Kind Regards, an English speaking Welshman.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt. Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.[/p][/quote]Pwlldu, you are the writer of this article. You are Andrew Nutt!! Now to the point, devolution has been an unmitigated disaster for the people of Wales. Consider the following all having been devolved,controlled by the Welsh Assembly, sorry self proclaimed Government. Education, worst in the UK FISA Health Service. A disgrace, waiting lists, ambulance waiting times. Social Services or lack of them! Drugs rife in the valleys, little money available to fight them. Nothing to do with money from Westminster, all to do with a an unnecessary tier of pen pushersinthe Bay of plenty (Cardiff) Also, if you happen to speak Welsh a job for the boys, because no private business requires them. There is always money to waste on the Welsh language, another £1.8 million last week. Wake up to reality Mr Nutt, the vast majority are sick of your nationalist agenda. Kind Regards, an English speaking Welshman. Monmouthshire Merlin
  • Score: 8

5:00pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt.
Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.
Anyone who seeks to cast Westminster, (that's the tyrannical dictatorship that sends Wales £6-10 Billion a year it doesn't earn), in the same style as the Soviet horror that the Czechs were trying to escape, has so far lost the plot as to be beyond reasoning with. Added to which, the countries you cite were broadly of one mind. Are you seriously suggesting that SE Wales seeks the same stove-pipe hatted fictitious Utopia that those of Ceredigion delude themselves with? Oh and if you want to find out what a bankrupt country feels like, can I suggest a spell as a nurse in Greece? You can help wash and re-use dressings. Just a thought.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt. Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.[/p][/quote]Anyone who seeks to cast Westminster, (that's the tyrannical dictatorship that sends Wales £6-10 Billion a year it doesn't earn), in the same style as the Soviet horror that the Czechs were trying to escape, has so far lost the plot as to be beyond reasoning with. Added to which, the countries you cite were broadly of one mind. Are you seriously suggesting that SE Wales seeks the same stove-pipe hatted fictitious Utopia that those of Ceredigion delude themselves with? Oh and if you want to find out what a bankrupt country feels like, can I suggest a spell as a nurse in Greece? You can help wash and re-use dressings. Just a thought. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 11

5:55pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt.
Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.
Anyone who seeks to cast Westminster, (that's the tyrannical dictatorship that sends Wales £6-10 Billion a year it doesn't earn), in the same style as the Soviet horror that the Czechs were trying to escape, has so far lost the plot as to be beyond reasoning with. Added to which, the countries you cite were broadly of one mind. Are you seriously suggesting that SE Wales seeks the same stove-pipe hatted fictitious Utopia that those of Ceredigion delude themselves with? Oh and if you want to find out what a bankrupt country feels like, can I suggest a spell as a nurse in Greece? You can help wash and re-use dressings. Just a thought.
Good post but you can't reason with deluded nationalist head-cases.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt. Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.[/p][/quote]Anyone who seeks to cast Westminster, (that's the tyrannical dictatorship that sends Wales £6-10 Billion a year it doesn't earn), in the same style as the Soviet horror that the Czechs were trying to escape, has so far lost the plot as to be beyond reasoning with. Added to which, the countries you cite were broadly of one mind. Are you seriously suggesting that SE Wales seeks the same stove-pipe hatted fictitious Utopia that those of Ceredigion delude themselves with? Oh and if you want to find out what a bankrupt country feels like, can I suggest a spell as a nurse in Greece? You can help wash and re-use dressings. Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Good post but you can't reason with deluded nationalist head-cases. Stevenboy
  • Score: 11

9:02pm Mon 11 Aug 14

landyman3030 says...

Monmouthshire Merlin wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt.
Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.
Pwlldu, you are the writer of this article. You are Andrew Nutt!!

Now to the point, devolution has been an unmitigated disaster for the people of Wales. Consider the following all having been devolved,controlled by the Welsh Assembly, sorry self proclaimed Government.
Education, worst in the UK FISA
Health Service. A disgrace, waiting lists, ambulance waiting times.
Social Services or lack of them!
Drugs rife in the valleys, little money available to fight them.
Nothing to do with money from Westminster, all to do with a an unnecessary tier of pen pushersinthe Bay of plenty (Cardiff) Also, if you happen to speak Welsh a job for the boys, because no private business requires them.
There is always money to waste on the Welsh language, another £1.8 million last week.
Wake up to reality Mr Nutt, the vast majority are sick of your nationalist agenda.
Kind Regards, an English speaking Welshman.
OMG. A reasoned voice. I wonder if anybody who moaned about The Welsh Office or the WDA all those years ago have an opinion on the wasted hundreds of millions of pounds devolution costs us every year?
Carwyns barmy army with the tiers of welsh speaking minions all dancing to the pipers tune who have NO FIRST CLUE what is happening in the real world. Show Scotland the WAG and they would never go for independence again. Scary stuff.
[quote][p][bold]Monmouthshire Merlin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt. Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.[/p][/quote]Pwlldu, you are the writer of this article. You are Andrew Nutt!! Now to the point, devolution has been an unmitigated disaster for the people of Wales. Consider the following all having been devolved,controlled by the Welsh Assembly, sorry self proclaimed Government. Education, worst in the UK FISA Health Service. A disgrace, waiting lists, ambulance waiting times. Social Services or lack of them! Drugs rife in the valleys, little money available to fight them. Nothing to do with money from Westminster, all to do with a an unnecessary tier of pen pushersinthe Bay of plenty (Cardiff) Also, if you happen to speak Welsh a job for the boys, because no private business requires them. There is always money to waste on the Welsh language, another £1.8 million last week. Wake up to reality Mr Nutt, the vast majority are sick of your nationalist agenda. Kind Regards, an English speaking Welshman.[/p][/quote]OMG. A reasoned voice. I wonder if anybody who moaned about The Welsh Office or the WDA all those years ago have an opinion on the wasted hundreds of millions of pounds devolution costs us every year? Carwyns barmy army with the tiers of welsh speaking minions all dancing to the pipers tune who have NO FIRST CLUE what is happening in the real world. Show Scotland the WAG and they would never go for independence again. Scary stuff. landyman3030
  • Score: 9

9:49pm Mon 11 Aug 14

scraptheWAG says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Monmouthshire Merlin wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt.
Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.
Pwlldu, you are the writer of this article. You are Andrew Nutt!!

Now to the point, devolution has been an unmitigated disaster for the people of Wales. Consider the following all having been devolved,controlled by the Welsh Assembly, sorry self proclaimed Government.
Education, worst in the UK FISA
Health Service. A disgrace, waiting lists, ambulance waiting times.
Social Services or lack of them!
Drugs rife in the valleys, little money available to fight them.
Nothing to do with money from Westminster, all to do with a an unnecessary tier of pen pushersinthe Bay of plenty (Cardiff) Also, if you happen to speak Welsh a job for the boys, because no private business requires them.
There is always money to waste on the Welsh language, another £1.8 million last week.
Wake up to reality Mr Nutt, the vast majority are sick of your nationalist agenda.
Kind Regards, an English speaking Welshman.
OMG. A reasoned voice. I wonder if anybody who moaned about The Welsh Office or the WDA all those years ago have an opinion on the wasted hundreds of millions of pounds devolution costs us every year?
Carwyns barmy army with the tiers of welsh speaking minions all dancing to the pipers tune who have NO FIRST CLUE what is happening in the real world. Show Scotland the WAG and they would never go for independence again. Scary stuff.
Carwyn Jones barmey army and they want to expand the crap
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Monmouthshire Merlin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt. Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.[/p][/quote]Pwlldu, you are the writer of this article. You are Andrew Nutt!! Now to the point, devolution has been an unmitigated disaster for the people of Wales. Consider the following all having been devolved,controlled by the Welsh Assembly, sorry self proclaimed Government. Education, worst in the UK FISA Health Service. A disgrace, waiting lists, ambulance waiting times. Social Services or lack of them! Drugs rife in the valleys, little money available to fight them. Nothing to do with money from Westminster, all to do with a an unnecessary tier of pen pushersinthe Bay of plenty (Cardiff) Also, if you happen to speak Welsh a job for the boys, because no private business requires them. There is always money to waste on the Welsh language, another £1.8 million last week. Wake up to reality Mr Nutt, the vast majority are sick of your nationalist agenda. Kind Regards, an English speaking Welshman.[/p][/quote]OMG. A reasoned voice. I wonder if anybody who moaned about The Welsh Office or the WDA all those years ago have an opinion on the wasted hundreds of millions of pounds devolution costs us every year? Carwyns barmy army with the tiers of welsh speaking minions all dancing to the pipers tune who have NO FIRST CLUE what is happening in the real world. Show Scotland the WAG and they would never go for independence again. Scary stuff.[/p][/quote]Carwyn Jones barmey army and they want to expand the crap scraptheWAG
  • Score: 7

9:29pm Tue 12 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

Again the English have tried to divide Wales into Welsh nationalist and British nationalist. Monmouthshire littered with one language English/ British nationalist.
Again the English have tried to divide Wales into Welsh nationalist and British nationalist. Monmouthshire littered with one language English/ British nationalist. pwlldu
  • Score: -6

9:32pm Tue 12 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

Every country that has gained independance from the British Empire, must be all nationalists. Every country that as bloomed from the break up of the USSR are nationalists.
Every country that has gained independance from the British Empire, must be all nationalists. Every country that as bloomed from the break up of the USSR are nationalists. pwlldu
  • Score: -6

9:50pm Tue 12 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

FREEDOM OF SPEECH BOYS IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT TOUGH!!
FREEDOM OF SPEECH BOYS IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT TOUGH!! pwlldu
  • Score: -6

7:57am Wed 13 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

pwlldu wrote:
Again the English have tried to divide Wales into Welsh nationalist and British nationalist. Monmouthshire littered with one language English/ British nationalist.
What on earth are you on about? ''The English have tried to divide...'. Monmouthshire voted heavily against the assembly and law-making powers. They want no part of your loony daffodil banana republic so surely it's democratic to let them decide who they'd rather side with?
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Again the English have tried to divide Wales into Welsh nationalist and British nationalist. Monmouthshire littered with one language English/ British nationalist.[/p][/quote]What on earth are you on about? ''The English have tried to divide...'. Monmouthshire voted heavily against the assembly and law-making powers. They want no part of your loony daffodil banana republic so surely it's democratic to let them decide who they'd rather side with? Stevenboy
  • Score: 5

10:25am Wed 13 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

Stevenboy wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt.
Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.
Anyone who seeks to cast Westminster, (that's the tyrannical dictatorship that sends Wales £6-10 Billion a year it doesn't earn), in the same style as the Soviet horror that the Czechs were trying to escape, has so far lost the plot as to be beyond reasoning with. Added to which, the countries you cite were broadly of one mind. Are you seriously suggesting that SE Wales seeks the same stove-pipe hatted fictitious Utopia that those of Ceredigion delude themselves with? Oh and if you want to find out what a bankrupt country feels like, can I suggest a spell as a nurse in Greece? You can help wash and re-use dressings. Just a thought.
Good post but you can't reason with deluded nationalist head-cases.
So you will not attempt to reason with England either ? they want autonomy too. The wealth and well being of the 'UK' depends entirely on fair distribution of assets/work and funds, this isn't happening, even the lib-dems know the Barnet Formula deliberately disadvantages Wales via bad accounting and, biased Tory rule, albeit while on a a coalition high they didn't give a hoot... losers !
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt. Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.[/p][/quote]Anyone who seeks to cast Westminster, (that's the tyrannical dictatorship that sends Wales £6-10 Billion a year it doesn't earn), in the same style as the Soviet horror that the Czechs were trying to escape, has so far lost the plot as to be beyond reasoning with. Added to which, the countries you cite were broadly of one mind. Are you seriously suggesting that SE Wales seeks the same stove-pipe hatted fictitious Utopia that those of Ceredigion delude themselves with? Oh and if you want to find out what a bankrupt country feels like, can I suggest a spell as a nurse in Greece? You can help wash and re-use dressings. Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Good post but you can't reason with deluded nationalist head-cases.[/p][/quote]So you will not attempt to reason with England either ? they want autonomy too. The wealth and well being of the 'UK' depends entirely on fair distribution of assets/work and funds, this isn't happening, even the lib-dems know the Barnet Formula deliberately disadvantages Wales via bad accounting and, biased Tory rule, albeit while on a a coalition high they didn't give a hoot... losers ! Mervyn James
  • Score: -5

1:02pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Stevenboy wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt.
Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.
Anyone who seeks to cast Westminster, (that's the tyrannical dictatorship that sends Wales £6-10 Billion a year it doesn't earn), in the same style as the Soviet horror that the Czechs were trying to escape, has so far lost the plot as to be beyond reasoning with. Added to which, the countries you cite were broadly of one mind. Are you seriously suggesting that SE Wales seeks the same stove-pipe hatted fictitious Utopia that those of Ceredigion delude themselves with? Oh and if you want to find out what a bankrupt country feels like, can I suggest a spell as a nurse in Greece? You can help wash and re-use dressings. Just a thought.
Good post but you can't reason with deluded nationalist head-cases.
So you will not attempt to reason with England either ? they want autonomy too. The wealth and well being of the 'UK' depends entirely on fair distribution of assets/work and funds, this isn't happening, even the lib-dems know the Barnet Formula deliberately disadvantages Wales via bad accounting and, biased Tory rule, albeit while on a a coalition high they didn't give a hoot... losers !
Funny isn't it. On the one hand you want Welsh independence and on the other you want English taxpayers to stump up even more so that this profligate WAG can blow it on stupidity. So which is it? As for the Lib Dems, you can't blame a busted flush like them for trying to court favour in ever more desperate places. Like Wales.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: if you read the article Walter Devereux says...the word freedom is mentioned by Sir Merrick Cockell and not Mr Nutt. Do we seriously believe that Tom Clarke, Sean McDermott, Patrick Pearse, Joseph Plunkett, James Connolly and other leaders of the Easter Rising in Ireland discussed the planning of the Easter Rising then said “Hold on, how do we resolve the funding gap? Let’s wait a generation”, or more relevant maybe what if Vaclav Havel and the student movement in the then Czechoslovakia decided to hold off the velvet revolution for a generation because of the ‘funding gap’?Finally, regardless of Wales’ natural wealth which no one has properly valued (unlike, say, Scottish gas), our single most valuable resource is our people (as was argued by Leopold Kohr many decades ago) and no one can put price on the value of the people of Wales pulling together to build Wales up.[/p][/quote]Anyone who seeks to cast Westminster, (that's the tyrannical dictatorship that sends Wales £6-10 Billion a year it doesn't earn), in the same style as the Soviet horror that the Czechs were trying to escape, has so far lost the plot as to be beyond reasoning with. Added to which, the countries you cite were broadly of one mind. Are you seriously suggesting that SE Wales seeks the same stove-pipe hatted fictitious Utopia that those of Ceredigion delude themselves with? Oh and if you want to find out what a bankrupt country feels like, can I suggest a spell as a nurse in Greece? You can help wash and re-use dressings. Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Good post but you can't reason with deluded nationalist head-cases.[/p][/quote]So you will not attempt to reason with England either ? they want autonomy too. The wealth and well being of the 'UK' depends entirely on fair distribution of assets/work and funds, this isn't happening, even the lib-dems know the Barnet Formula deliberately disadvantages Wales via bad accounting and, biased Tory rule, albeit while on a a coalition high they didn't give a hoot... losers ![/p][/quote]Funny isn't it. On the one hand you want Welsh independence and on the other you want English taxpayers to stump up even more so that this profligate WAG can blow it on stupidity. So which is it? As for the Lib Dems, you can't blame a busted flush like them for trying to court favour in ever more desperate places. Like Wales. Stevenboy
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3:09pm Fri 15 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

Stevenboy says... Did Monmouth vote for Westminster? Monmouth is part of Wales like it or move to an English utopia. The Celts were here before the Romans, Saxon and Normans invaded this islands.
Stevenboy says... Did Monmouth vote for Westminster? Monmouth is part of Wales like it or move to an English utopia. The Celts were here before the Romans, Saxon and Normans invaded this islands. pwlldu
  • Score: 2

3:17pm Fri 15 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

Its English councils that want similer devolution to Wales, they see it as a way to protect services from Tory or a future Tory UKIP government. Plaid Cymru wants a fairer settlement for Wales, the same as Scotland, or do you think Wales is second class to the rest of the UK. Independance will only get on the UK agenda if the people calls for it loudly enough. I will push and support for Welsh independance. Nobody thought after 1979 that Wales would have a WAG. The problem Wales got its has a Labour government in Cardiff Bay, who still panders to its Welsh unionist MP's and is divided how to take Wales forward. Trying to make Wales a better place but not too good, give Wales some confidence but not too much. In other words half a job to keep people voting for them.
Its English councils that want similer devolution to Wales, they see it as a way to protect services from Tory or a future Tory UKIP government. Plaid Cymru wants a fairer settlement for Wales, the same as Scotland, or do you think Wales is second class to the rest of the UK. Independance will only get on the UK agenda if the people calls for it loudly enough. I will push and support for Welsh independance. Nobody thought after 1979 that Wales would have a WAG. The problem Wales got its has a Labour government in Cardiff Bay, who still panders to its Welsh unionist MP's and is divided how to take Wales forward. Trying to make Wales a better place but not too good, give Wales some confidence but not too much. In other words half a job to keep people voting for them. pwlldu
  • Score: 1

2:43pm Sat 16 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

Stevenboy says...

ENGLAND DIDN'T WANT MONMOUTHSHIRE. SO YOU ARE A PART OF WALES IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT MOVE TO HEREFORDSHIRE.
Stevenboy says... ENGLAND DIDN'T WANT MONMOUTHSHIRE. SO YOU ARE A PART OF WALES IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT MOVE TO HEREFORDSHIRE. pwlldu
  • Score: 1

5:10pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

pwlldu wrote:
Stevenboy says... Did Monmouth vote for Westminster? Monmouth is part of Wales like it or move to an English utopia. The Celts were here before the Romans, Saxon and Normans invaded this islands.
Kind of weird isn't it. The moment someone suggests Monmouthshire having a vote about its future your suggestion is move. Very odd democratic principle that.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Stevenboy says... Did Monmouth vote for Westminster? Monmouth is part of Wales like it or move to an English utopia. The Celts were here before the Romans, Saxon and Normans invaded this islands.[/p][/quote]Kind of weird isn't it. The moment someone suggests Monmouthshire having a vote about its future your suggestion is move. Very odd democratic principle that. Stevenboy
  • Score: 1

10:31am Thu 21 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

Stevenboy says...
Offa's Dyke (Welsh: Clawdd Offa) is a large linear earthwork that roughly follows the current border between England and Wales. The structure is named after Offa, the 8th century king of Mercia, who is traditionally believed to have ordered its construction. Although its precise original purpose is debated, it delineated the border between Anglian Mercia and the Welsh kingdom of Powys.
The Dyke, which was up to 65 feet (20 m) wide (including its flanking ditch) and 8 feet (2.4 m) high, traversed low ground, hills and rivers. Today the earthwork is protected as a scheduled monument. Much of its route is followed by the Offa's Dyke Path; a 176 mi (283 km) long-distance footpath that runs between Liverpool Bay in the north and the Severn Estuary in the south.
MONMOUTHSHIRE IS ON THE WELSH SIDE OF THE DYKE, SO MONMOUTHSHIRE IS AS WELSH AS PEMBROKE, JUST GOT MORE ENGLISH LIVING THERE FOR CHEAP HOUSING AND THE WELSH GOVERNMENT.
Stevenboy says... Offa's Dyke (Welsh: Clawdd Offa) is a large linear earthwork that roughly follows the current border between England and Wales. The structure is named after Offa, the 8th century king of Mercia, who is traditionally believed to have ordered its construction. Although its precise original purpose is debated, it delineated the border between Anglian Mercia and the Welsh kingdom of Powys. The Dyke, which was up to 65 feet (20 m) wide (including its flanking ditch) and 8 feet (2.4 m) high, traversed low ground, hills and rivers. Today the earthwork is protected as a scheduled monument. Much of its route is followed by the Offa's Dyke Path; a 176 mi (283 km) long-distance footpath that runs between Liverpool Bay in the north and the Severn Estuary in the south. MONMOUTHSHIRE IS ON THE WELSH SIDE OF THE DYKE, SO MONMOUTHSHIRE IS AS WELSH AS PEMBROKE, JUST GOT MORE ENGLISH LIVING THERE FOR CHEAP HOUSING AND THE WELSH GOVERNMENT. pwlldu
  • Score: 1

10:34am Thu 21 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

IF THE ENGLISH TAXPAYER THOUGHT THEY PAID FOR WALES, THERE WOULD BE UPROAR IN THE POSH STREETS OF LONDON. STILL WELSH TAXPAYERS HELP TO PAY FOR THE OL. GAMES AND THE POOR PARTS OF THE EAST END OF LONDON.
IF THE ENGLISH TAXPAYER THOUGHT THEY PAID FOR WALES, THERE WOULD BE UPROAR IN THE POSH STREETS OF LONDON. STILL WELSH TAXPAYERS HELP TO PAY FOR THE OL. GAMES AND THE POOR PARTS OF THE EAST END OF LONDON. pwlldu
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