Tactic of war

First published in Letters

JUST AN observation on the appalling situation in Gaza. If the people who democratically voted in a party whose stated mandate was the destruction of Israel thought their future would be peaceful and productive, they were very naive.

It has always been a tactic of war to destroy the morale of the civilians supporting the enemy, especially one that operates from populated areas.

This has never been more evident than in the last 100 years, which with the development of heavy artillery, tanks, rockets and bombers and the A-bomb has seen whole continents laid to waste.

To Hamas life is cheap, and pictures of casualties are simply grist to the anti-Israeli political mill, and could be stopped tomorrow. If there is a family of Grizzly Bears living on the other side of the hedge, it’s not a good idea to throw stones at them!

D Everett, Crindau Road, Newport

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7:45pm Mon 11 Aug 14

varteg1 says...

Exactly, but you cannot educate a closed mind.
These people are so indoctrinated they would vote for a pig if some Islamic scholar changed the rules on human / pig relationship.
Exactly, but you cannot educate a closed mind. These people are so indoctrinated they would vote for a pig if some Islamic scholar changed the rules on human / pig relationship. varteg1
  • Score: 6

7:59pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

I think it's a similar situation to when the allies bombed Dresden. Hamas is a regime very similar to the Nazis but at the same time one feels desperately sorry for all the innocents - especially the children, women, LGBTQ people and other groups who are powerless under the Hamas regime - who have ended up bearing the brunt of Israel's devastating yet entirely understandable desire to stop the organization that is trying to destroy it once and for all. Ultimately, the blame is with Hamas and with all the anti-Semites, homophobes and bigots around the world that support this repugnant cult which is nothing less than the Ku Klux Klan of the middle-east.
I think it's a similar situation to when the allies bombed Dresden. Hamas is a regime very similar to the Nazis but at the same time one feels desperately sorry for all the innocents - especially the children, women, LGBTQ people and other groups who are powerless under the Hamas regime - who have ended up bearing the brunt of Israel's devastating yet entirely understandable desire to stop the organization that is trying to destroy it once and for all. Ultimately, the blame is with Hamas and with all the anti-Semites, homophobes and bigots around the world that support this repugnant cult which is nothing less than the Ku Klux Klan of the middle-east. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -4

9:42am Tue 12 Aug 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour.
While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions.

I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.
Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour. While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions. I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: -5

11:33am Tue 12 Aug 14

coalpicker says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour.
While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions.

I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.
If I may repeat my comment on the Ray Davis submission, What would
Bassaleg Fan do if someone was throwing petrol bombs at his house ,
just a thought .
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour. While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions. I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.[/p][/quote]If I may repeat my comment on the Ray Davis submission, What would Bassaleg Fan do if someone was throwing petrol bombs at his house , just a thought . coalpicker
  • Score: 5

1:01pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour.
While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions.

I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.
So what are your views on Hamas then? Or are you just too afraid of what they'll do to you if you publicly express them? Fact is that we've had people on these threads jumping on the Israel-Palestine bandwaggon saying that Welsh Jews should 'go back to Israel' as well as those who have been promoting the view that "the Jewish" (sic) control Wall Street and the President of the USA. Yet when someone objects to this Nazi hijacking of the suffering of the people of Gaza you try to claim that they are objecting to legitimate criticism of the actions of the Israeli government. Tell me, what part of anti-Semitism do you not understand?
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour. While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions. I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.[/p][/quote]So what are your views on Hamas then? Or are you just too afraid of what they'll do to you if you publicly express them? Fact is that we've had people on these threads jumping on the Israel-Palestine bandwaggon saying that Welsh Jews should 'go back to Israel' as well as those who have been promoting the view that "the Jewish" (sic) control Wall Street and the President of the USA. Yet when someone objects to this Nazi hijacking of the suffering of the people of Gaza you try to claim that they are objecting to legitimate criticism of the actions of the Israeli government. Tell me, what part of anti-Semitism do you not understand? Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -2

1:18pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

coalpicker wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour.
While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions.

I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.
If I may repeat my comment on the Ray Davis submission, What would
Bassaleg Fan do if someone was throwing petrol bombs at his house ,
just a thought .
Probably blame it on an international Jewish conspiracy by the looks of it!
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour. While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions. I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.[/p][/quote]If I may repeat my comment on the Ray Davis submission, What would Bassaleg Fan do if someone was throwing petrol bombs at his house , just a thought .[/p][/quote]Probably blame it on an international Jewish conspiracy by the looks of it! Katie Re-Registered
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9:04pm Tue 12 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

I've read the recent contributions with more than just slight incredulity.

It's not possible to say those statements added much to the sum total of our understanding of the racial and cultural interface implicit in the human condition, much less the situation in Palestine, but they were, in a generally illiterate kind of way, quite entertaining.
I've read the recent contributions with more than just slight incredulity. It's not possible to say those statements added much to the sum total of our understanding of the racial and cultural interface implicit in the human condition, much less the situation in Palestine, but they were, in a generally illiterate kind of way, quite entertaining. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -5

2:11pm Wed 13 Aug 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

coalpicker wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour.
While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions.

I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.
If I may repeat my comment on the Ray Davis submission, What would
Bassaleg Fan do if someone was throwing petrol bombs at his house ,
just a thought .
I wouldn't bombard innocent civilians hemmed into one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East, or attack UN schools sheltering women & children (even though the UN and agencies for Palestinian refugees had informed the Israeli military of the location of the schools).
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour. While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions. I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.[/p][/quote]If I may repeat my comment on the Ray Davis submission, What would Bassaleg Fan do if someone was throwing petrol bombs at his house , just a thought .[/p][/quote]I wouldn't bombard innocent civilians hemmed into one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East, or attack UN schools sheltering women & children (even though the UN and agencies for Palestinian refugees had informed the Israeli military of the location of the schools). BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 0

2:42pm Wed 13 Aug 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour.
While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions.

I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.
So what are your views on Hamas then? Or are you just too afraid of what they'll do to you if you publicly express them? Fact is that we've had people on these threads jumping on the Israel-Palestine bandwaggon saying that Welsh Jews should 'go back to Israel' as well as those who have been promoting the view that "the Jewish" (sic) control Wall Street and the President of the USA. Yet when someone objects to this Nazi hijacking of the suffering of the people of Gaza you try to claim that they are objecting to legitimate criticism of the actions of the Israeli government. Tell me, what part of anti-Semitism do you not understand?
I don't agree with the aims or actions of Hamas in any way, nor am I an anti-Semite. I do struggle to see though how the careless bombing of innocent people is justifiable.

And there is a difference between criticising Israel and criticising Judaism. In fact, for a country that proclaims to adhere to the Jewish Faith - which to my limited knowledge is based on the values of respect and peace - Israel's actions are all the more hypocriticial and immoral.

In fact, many Jewish people around the world are appalled by Israel's actions, including this group: http://jfjfp.com/
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour. While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions. I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.[/p][/quote]So what are your views on Hamas then? Or are you just too afraid of what they'll do to you if you publicly express them? Fact is that we've had people on these threads jumping on the Israel-Palestine bandwaggon saying that Welsh Jews should 'go back to Israel' as well as those who have been promoting the view that "the Jewish" (sic) control Wall Street and the President of the USA. Yet when someone objects to this Nazi hijacking of the suffering of the people of Gaza you try to claim that they are objecting to legitimate criticism of the actions of the Israeli government. Tell me, what part of anti-Semitism do you not understand?[/p][/quote]I don't agree with the aims or actions of Hamas in any way, nor am I an anti-Semite. I do struggle to see though how the careless bombing of innocent people is justifiable. And there is a difference between criticising Israel and criticising Judaism. In fact, for a country that proclaims to adhere to the Jewish Faith - which to my limited knowledge is based on the values of respect and peace - Israel's actions are all the more hypocriticial and immoral. In fact, many Jewish people around the world are appalled by Israel's actions, including this group: http://jfjfp.com/ BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 1

10:28pm Wed 13 Aug 14

coalpicker says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
coalpicker wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour.
While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions.

I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.
If I may repeat my comment on the Ray Davis submission, What would
Bassaleg Fan do if someone was throwing petrol bombs at his house ,
just a thought .
I wouldn't bombard innocent civilians hemmed into one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East, or attack UN schools sheltering women & children (even though the UN and agencies for Palestinian refugees had informed the Israeli military of the location of the schools).
Look at the much broader picture, you must have heard of the Holocaust ?
a number of these peaceful Islamic countries have indicated they want to finish what Hitler tried to do, now from the Israeli point of view racial memory will not allow them to submit to another murderous assault ,Hamas is trying to do just that ,Israeli response is predictable,
better them than us .
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour. While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions. I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.[/p][/quote]If I may repeat my comment on the Ray Davis submission, What would Bassaleg Fan do if someone was throwing petrol bombs at his house , just a thought .[/p][/quote]I wouldn't bombard innocent civilians hemmed into one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East, or attack UN schools sheltering women & children (even though the UN and agencies for Palestinian refugees had informed the Israeli military of the location of the schools).[/p][/quote]Look at the much broader picture, you must have heard of the Holocaust ? a number of these peaceful Islamic countries have indicated they want to finish what Hitler tried to do, now from the Israeli point of view racial memory will not allow them to submit to another murderous assault ,Hamas is trying to do just that ,Israeli response is predictable, better them than us . coalpicker
  • Score: 0

10:48am Thu 14 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Imagine the Muslims take out Israel, what or who next?, the same Qur'an that instructs them to wipe out the Jew also instructs them to wipe out all non-believers, as we all know from the news this is happening now, it hasn't reached Europe yet or this Country but the tell tale signs are showing, now, we can either put up with the spread of this cancer to Democracy or take action, doing nothing is not an option, this might sound scaremongering, but with more Muslims coming here who are not of our culture or life style and breed more than us it can only be time before the civil war begins, unless we can pressure our Government this will happen, it's as bad in Australia, Canada, USA and it's worse in many other Countries, Africa and Asia, as the Turkish President stated, "there are no Moderate Muslims there's only Islam"....Either appease Islam and lose our Country, or remove Islam from our Country....
Imagine the Muslims take out Israel, what or who next?, the same Qur'an that instructs them to wipe out the Jew also instructs them to wipe out all non-believers, as we all know from the news this is happening now, it hasn't reached Europe yet or this Country but the tell tale signs are showing, now, we can either put up with the spread of this cancer to Democracy or take action, doing nothing is not an option, this might sound scaremongering, but with more Muslims coming here who are not of our culture or life style and breed more than us it can only be time before the civil war begins, unless we can pressure our Government this will happen, it's as bad in Australia, Canada, USA and it's worse in many other Countries, Africa and Asia, as the Turkish President stated, "there are no Moderate Muslims there's only Islam"....Either appease Islam and lose our Country, or remove Islam from our Country.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

9:27am Fri 15 Aug 14

jimmytheone2 says...

coalpicker wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour.
While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions.

I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.
If I may repeat my comment on the Ray Davis submission, What would
Bassaleg Fan do if someone was throwing petrol bombs at his house ,
just a thought .
Well, at best you might want to throw them back at the particular people who were throwing them - but not at everyone else containing many totally innocent women and children. Nor, I suggest, would you want to deliberately target schools and Red Cross centres known to contain women and children. Its about proportionality. There doesn't appear to be any. Just look at the number of casualties on either side.
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Whatever your views on Hamas, you can't excuse Israel's behaviour. While Hamas have largely targeted military bases, Israel have bombarbed innocent civilians who are essentially trapped in one of the most densely populated areas in the Middle East. It's appalling, and we should be condemning Israel's actions. I've also had enough of people labelling criticisms of Israel as being in some way anti-Semitic. Butchery is butchery whether it's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Atheist perpetrating it, and it should be condemned as being so.[/p][/quote]If I may repeat my comment on the Ray Davis submission, What would Bassaleg Fan do if someone was throwing petrol bombs at his house , just a thought .[/p][/quote]Well, at best you might want to throw them back at the particular people who were throwing them - but not at everyone else containing many totally innocent women and children. Nor, I suggest, would you want to deliberately target schools and Red Cross centres known to contain women and children. Its about proportionality. There doesn't appear to be any. Just look at the number of casualties on either side. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -2

9:33am Fri 15 Aug 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
Imagine the Muslims take out Israel, what or who next?, the same Qur'an that instructs them to wipe out the Jew also instructs them to wipe out all non-believers, as we all know from the news this is happening now, it hasn't reached Europe yet or this Country but the tell tale signs are showing, now, we can either put up with the spread of this cancer to Democracy or take action, doing nothing is not an option, this might sound scaremongering, but with more Muslims coming here who are not of our culture or life style and breed more than us it can only be time before the civil war begins, unless we can pressure our Government this will happen, it's as bad in Australia, Canada, USA and it's worse in many other Countries, Africa and Asia, as the Turkish President stated, "there are no Moderate Muslims there's only Islam"....Either appease Islam and lose our Country, or remove Islam from our Country....
".. they breed more than us...".
Brilliant, another pearl of wisdom from Mr Reasonable.

You are one warped individual. There are a number on this site, but you are by far the most disturbed.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Imagine the Muslims take out Israel, what or who next?, the same Qur'an that instructs them to wipe out the Jew also instructs them to wipe out all non-believers, as we all know from the news this is happening now, it hasn't reached Europe yet or this Country but the tell tale signs are showing, now, we can either put up with the spread of this cancer to Democracy or take action, doing nothing is not an option, this might sound scaremongering, but with more Muslims coming here who are not of our culture or life style and breed more than us it can only be time before the civil war begins, unless we can pressure our Government this will happen, it's as bad in Australia, Canada, USA and it's worse in many other Countries, Africa and Asia, as the Turkish President stated, "there are no Moderate Muslims there's only Islam"....Either appease Islam and lose our Country, or remove Islam from our Country....[/p][/quote]".. they breed more than us...". Brilliant, another pearl of wisdom from Mr Reasonable. You are one warped individual. There are a number on this site, but you are by far the most disturbed. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -4

10:36am Fri 15 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Islam love's yellow kaffar's like you, willing to see your Country ruled by Islam, we all hope the white coats take you back to your secured room for medication, your over working that one brain cell, you have no idea what's happening anywhere outside your secure room, in war time yellowbelly you'd have been shot for treason, any facts you want affirming look if you can at the ONS, or the CENSUS reports, denying is futile just like you, your not even worth recycling, hope you opt out of the Welsh Organ Donation Card on 1st December 2015, that one cell needs to die with you....
Islam love's yellow kaffar's like you, willing to see your Country ruled by Islam, we all hope the white coats take you back to your secured room for medication, your over working that one brain cell, you have no idea what's happening anywhere outside your secure room, in war time yellowbelly you'd have been shot for treason, any facts you want affirming look if you can at the ONS, or the CENSUS reports, denying is futile just like you, your not even worth recycling, hope you opt out of the Welsh Organ Donation Card on 1st December 2015, that one cell needs to die with you.... welshmen
  • Score: 3

11:12am Fri 15 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Know your enemy. like jimmyyellowbellytheo
ne2, To know what ISIS is, we have to clear away the media myths about ISIS. and their supporters as on here, as they believe that a couple of decades in the future this can't happen here, they are willing to appease the biggest threat to world peace since Nazi's wanted to rule us with their warped ideology.

Million's of Germans did nothing and the Nazi's killed Millions of Jew's, Millions of Russians did nothing and Starling Killed 10's of Millions of it's own people, Mao Zedong killed 70 Million Chinese, while 550 million Chinese people did nothing, I don't want our people to be led quietly down that path supported by the like's of you and others on here:

ISIS is not a new phenomenon read on and learn...

Wahhabi armies have been attacking Iraq in order to wipe out Shiites for over two hundred years. One of the more notably brutal attacks took place during the administration of President Thomas Jefferson.

That same year the Marine Corps saw action against the Barbary Pirates and West Point opened, but even Noam Chomsky, Michael Moore and Howard Zinn chiming via Ouija board would have trouble blaming the Wahhabi assault on the Iraqi city of Kerbala in 1802 on the United States or an oil pipeline.

Forget the media portrayals of ISIS as a new extreme group that even the newly moderate Al Qaeda thinks is over the top; its armies are doing the same things that Wahhabi armies have been doing for centuries. ISIS has Twitter accounts, pick-up trucks and other borrowed Western technology, but its ideology and brutality have always been part of Islam. They are not a new phenomenon.

Sunnis and Shiites have been killing each other for over a thousand years. Declaring other Muslims to be infidels and killing them is also a lot older than the suicide bomb vest.

Al Qaeda and ISIS are at odds because its Iraqi namesake had a different agenda. Al Qaeda always had different factions with their own agendas that were not more extreme or less extreme, but emerged from varying national backgrounds.

Bin Laden prioritized Saudi Arabia and America. That allowed Al Qaeda to pick up training from Hezbollah which helped make 9/11 possible. This low level cooperation with Iran was endangered when Al Qaeda in Iraq made fighting a religious war with Shiites into its priority.

That did not mean that Bin Laden liked Shiites and thought that AQIQ was “extreme” for killing them.

During the Iraq War, Bin Laden had endorsed Al Qaeda in Iraq’s goal of fighting the Shiite “Rejectionists” by framing it as an attack on America. AQIQ’s Zarqawi had privately made it clear that he would not pledge allegiance to Osama bin Laden unless the terrorist leader endorsed his campaign against Shiites.

Bin Laden and the Taliban had been equally comfortable with Sipahe Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi which provided manpower for the Taliban while massacring Shiites in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Last year LEJ had killed over a hundred Shiite Hazaras in one bombing.

The narrative that ISIS was more extreme than Al Qaeda because it killed Shiites and other Muslims doesn’t hold up even in recent history.

The MEDIA finds it convenient to depict the rise of newly extremist groups being radicalised by American foreign policy, Israeli blockades or Danish cartoons. A closer look however shows us that these groups did not become radicalised, rather they increased their capabilities.

ISIS understood that targeting Shiites and later Kurds would make it more appealing to Sunni Arabs inside Iraq and around the Persian Gulf. Bin Laden tried to rally Muslims by attacking America. ISIS has rallied Muslims by killing Shiites, Kurds, Christians and anyone else who isn’t a proper Sunni Arab.

Every news report insists that ISIS is an extreme outlier, but if that were really true then it would not have been able to conquer sizeable chunks of Iraq and Syria. ISIS became huge and powerful because its ideology drew the most fighters and the most financial support. ISIS is powerful because it’s popular.

ISIS has become more popular and more powerful than Al Qaeda because Muslims hate other Muslims even more than they hate America.

ISIS is not an outside force that inexplicably rolls across Iraq and terrorizes everyone in its path. It’s actually the public face of a Sunni coalition. When ISIS massacres Yazidis, it’s not just following an ideology; it’s giving Sunni Arabs what they want.

A surviving Yazidi refugee had told CNN that his Arab neighbours had joined in the killing. This wasn’t just ISIS terrorizing a helpless population. It was Islamic Supremacist's in action.

ISIS is dominating Iraq and Syria because it draws on support from the Sunni Arab population. It has their support because it is killing or driving out Christians, Yazidis, Shiites and a long list of peoples who either aren’t Muslims or aren’t Arabs while giving their land and possessions to the Sunni Arabs.

The media spent years denying that the Syrian Civil War was a sectarian conflict between Sunnis and Shiites. It’s unable to deny the obvious in Iraq, but it carefully avoids considering the implications.

An army alone will have trouble committing genocide unless it has the cooperation of a local population and foreign supporters that wants to see another group exterminated.

When we talk about ISIS, we are really talking about Sunni Arabs in Iraq and Syria. Not all of them, but enough that ISIS has become the standard bearer of the Sunni side in the civil wars in Syria and Iraq.

Hillary Clinton and John McCain can complain that we could have avoided the rise of ISIS if we had only armed the right sort of Jihadists in Syria, but if ISIS became dominant because its agenda had popular support, then it would not have mattered whom we armed or didn’t arm.

We armed the Iraqi military to the teeth, but it didn’t do any good because the military didn’t represent any larger consensus in an Iraq divided along religious and ethnic lines.

To understand ISIS, we have to unlearn what the media tell us. The media tells us that terrorists only represent an extreme edge of the population. If they have popular support, it’s only because the civilian population has somehow become radicalised. (And usually it’s our fault.) well to stop that thought we need now to remove these people from our Country ASAP.

The religious and ethnic strife in the Middle East out of which ISIS emerged and which has become its brand, goes back over a thousand years. If support for terrorism emerges from radicalisation, then the armies of Islam were radicalised in the time of Mohammed and have never been de-radicalised, which is more to the truth.

The Caliphate, like the Reich, is a utopia which can only be created through the mass murder and repression of all those who do not belong. This isn’t a new vision. It’s the founding vision of Islam.

What is wrong with ISIS is what is wrong with Islam.

We can defeat ISIS, but we should remember that its roots are in the hearts of the Sunni Muslims who support it. ISIS and Al Qaeda are only symptoms of the larger problem that is emerging everywhere on our Planet.

We can see the larger problem flying Jihadist flags in London and New Jersey. We can see it trooping through Australian and Canadian airports to join ISIS. We can see it in the eyes of the Sunni Arabs murdering their Yazidi neighbours.

ISIS is an expression of the murderous hate within Islam. We are not only at war with an acronym, but with the dark hatred in the hearts of Jihadists in Iraq and Pakistan… and next door in this country....Wahhabi hate preachers are a start, get them out of our Country and never let them in....
Know your enemy. like jimmyyellowbellytheo ne2, To know what ISIS is, we have to clear away the media myths about ISIS. and their supporters as on here, as they believe that a couple of decades in the future this can't happen here, they are willing to appease the biggest threat to world peace since Nazi's wanted to rule us with their warped ideology. Million's of Germans did nothing and the Nazi's killed Millions of Jew's, Millions of Russians did nothing and Starling Killed 10's of Millions of it's own people, Mao Zedong killed 70 Million Chinese, while 550 million Chinese people did nothing, I don't want our people to be led quietly down that path supported by the like's of you and others on here: ISIS is not a new phenomenon read on and learn... Wahhabi armies have been attacking Iraq in order to wipe out Shiites for over two hundred years. One of the more notably brutal attacks took place during the administration of President Thomas Jefferson. That same year the Marine Corps saw action against the Barbary Pirates and West Point opened, but even Noam Chomsky, Michael Moore and Howard Zinn chiming via Ouija board would have trouble blaming the Wahhabi assault on the Iraqi city of Kerbala in 1802 on the United States or an oil pipeline. Forget the media portrayals of ISIS as a new extreme group that even the newly moderate Al Qaeda thinks is over the top; its armies are doing the same things that Wahhabi armies have been doing for centuries. ISIS has Twitter accounts, pick-up trucks and other borrowed Western technology, but its ideology and brutality have always been part of Islam. They are not a new phenomenon. Sunnis and Shiites have been killing each other for over a thousand years. Declaring other Muslims to be infidels and killing them is also a lot older than the suicide bomb vest. Al Qaeda and ISIS are at odds because its Iraqi namesake had a different agenda. Al Qaeda always had different factions with their own agendas that were not more extreme or less extreme, but emerged from varying national backgrounds. Bin Laden prioritized Saudi Arabia and America. That allowed Al Qaeda to pick up training from Hezbollah which helped make 9/11 possible. This low level cooperation with Iran was endangered when Al Qaeda in Iraq made fighting a religious war with Shiites into its priority. That did not mean that Bin Laden liked Shiites and thought that AQIQ was “extreme” for killing them. During the Iraq War, Bin Laden had endorsed Al Qaeda in Iraq’s goal of fighting the Shiite “Rejectionists” by framing it as an attack on America. AQIQ’s Zarqawi had privately made it clear that he would not pledge allegiance to Osama bin Laden unless the terrorist leader endorsed his campaign against Shiites. Bin Laden and the Taliban had been equally comfortable with Sipahe Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi which provided manpower for the Taliban while massacring Shiites in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Last year LEJ had killed over a hundred Shiite Hazaras in one bombing. The narrative that ISIS was more extreme than Al Qaeda because it killed Shiites and other Muslims doesn’t hold up even in recent history. The MEDIA finds it convenient to depict the rise of newly extremist groups being radicalised by American foreign policy, Israeli blockades or Danish cartoons. A closer look however shows us that these groups did not become radicalised, rather they increased their capabilities. ISIS understood that targeting Shiites and later Kurds would make it more appealing to Sunni Arabs inside Iraq and around the Persian Gulf. Bin Laden tried to rally Muslims by attacking America. ISIS has rallied Muslims by killing Shiites, Kurds, Christians and anyone else who isn’t a proper Sunni Arab. Every news report insists that ISIS is an extreme outlier, but if that were really true then it would not have been able to conquer sizeable chunks of Iraq and Syria. ISIS became huge and powerful because its ideology drew the most fighters and the most financial support. ISIS is powerful because it’s popular. ISIS has become more popular and more powerful than Al Qaeda because Muslims hate other Muslims even more than they hate America. ISIS is not an outside force that inexplicably rolls across Iraq and terrorizes everyone in its path. It’s actually the public face of a Sunni coalition. When ISIS massacres Yazidis, it’s not just following an ideology; it’s giving Sunni Arabs what they want. A surviving Yazidi refugee had told CNN that his Arab neighbours had joined in the killing. This wasn’t just ISIS terrorizing a helpless population. It was Islamic Supremacist's in action. ISIS is dominating Iraq and Syria because it draws on support from the Sunni Arab population. It has their support because it is killing or driving out Christians, Yazidis, Shiites and a long list of peoples who either aren’t Muslims or aren’t Arabs while giving their land and possessions to the Sunni Arabs. The media spent years denying that the Syrian Civil War was a sectarian conflict between Sunnis and Shiites. It’s unable to deny the obvious in Iraq, but it carefully avoids considering the implications. An army alone will have trouble committing genocide unless it has the cooperation of a local population and foreign supporters that wants to see another group exterminated. When we talk about ISIS, we are really talking about Sunni Arabs in Iraq and Syria. Not all of them, but enough that ISIS has become the standard bearer of the Sunni side in the civil wars in Syria and Iraq. Hillary Clinton and John McCain can complain that we could have avoided the rise of ISIS if we had only armed the right sort of Jihadists in Syria, but if ISIS became dominant because its agenda had popular support, then it would not have mattered whom we armed or didn’t arm. We armed the Iraqi military to the teeth, but it didn’t do any good because the military didn’t represent any larger consensus in an Iraq divided along religious and ethnic lines. To understand ISIS, we have to unlearn what the media tell us. The media tells us that terrorists only represent an extreme edge of the population. If they have popular support, it’s only because the civilian population has somehow become radicalised. (And usually it’s our fault.) well to stop that thought we need now to remove these people from our Country ASAP. The religious and ethnic strife in the Middle East out of which ISIS emerged and which has become its brand, goes back over a thousand years. If support for terrorism emerges from radicalisation, then the armies of Islam were radicalised in the time of Mohammed and have never been de-radicalised, which is more to the truth. The Caliphate, like the Reich, is a utopia which can only be created through the mass murder and repression of all those who do not belong. This isn’t a new vision. It’s the founding vision of Islam. What is wrong with ISIS is what is wrong with Islam. We can defeat ISIS, but we should remember that its roots are in the hearts of the Sunni Muslims who support it. ISIS and Al Qaeda are only symptoms of the larger problem that is emerging everywhere on our Planet. We can see the larger problem flying Jihadist flags in London and New Jersey. We can see it trooping through Australian and Canadian airports to join ISIS. We can see it in the eyes of the Sunni Arabs murdering their Yazidi neighbours. ISIS is an expression of the murderous hate within Islam. We are not only at war with an acronym, but with the dark hatred in the hearts of Jihadists in Iraq and Pakistan… and next door in this country....Wahhabi hate preachers are a start, get them out of our Country and never let them in.... welshmen
  • Score: 8

5:12pm Fri 15 Aug 14

coalpicker says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Imagine the Muslims take out Israel, what or who next?, the same Qur'an that instructs them to wipe out the Jew also instructs them to wipe out all non-believers, as we all know from the news this is happening now, it hasn't reached Europe yet or this Country but the tell tale signs are showing, now, we can either put up with the spread of this cancer to Democracy or take action, doing nothing is not an option, this might sound scaremongering, but with more Muslims coming here who are not of our culture or life style and breed more than us it can only be time before the civil war begins, unless we can pressure our Government this will happen, it's as bad in Australia, Canada, USA and it's worse in many other Countries, Africa and Asia, as the Turkish President stated, "there are no Moderate Muslims there's only Islam"....Either appease Islam and lose our Country, or remove Islam from our Country....
".. they breed more than us...".
Brilliant, another pearl of wisdom from Mr Reasonable.

You are one warped individual. There are a number on this site, but you are by far the most disturbed.
I agree James a Peal of wisdom ,Immigrants are out breeding us four to one ,that is a fact .we also know that we have a hard core of brain washed Muslims in this country, already around five hundred of these lunatics that we know of have joined the murderers destroying the cradle of civilisation in the near east, they have one foot on the planet and another in some paradise that a politician in the mold of Tony Blair whose pronouncements where written down some three hundred years after the paradise promise, very like the Christian rubbish written about eight hundred years before by another charlatan or charlatans in the deliberate exercise of controlling ignorant minds . I like Welshmen
fear that if this bubonic plague that has invaded our country is not curtailed our grand children and great grand children will curse the very breath we have taken .
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Imagine the Muslims take out Israel, what or who next?, the same Qur'an that instructs them to wipe out the Jew also instructs them to wipe out all non-believers, as we all know from the news this is happening now, it hasn't reached Europe yet or this Country but the tell tale signs are showing, now, we can either put up with the spread of this cancer to Democracy or take action, doing nothing is not an option, this might sound scaremongering, but with more Muslims coming here who are not of our culture or life style and breed more than us it can only be time before the civil war begins, unless we can pressure our Government this will happen, it's as bad in Australia, Canada, USA and it's worse in many other Countries, Africa and Asia, as the Turkish President stated, "there are no Moderate Muslims there's only Islam"....Either appease Islam and lose our Country, or remove Islam from our Country....[/p][/quote]".. they breed more than us...". Brilliant, another pearl of wisdom from Mr Reasonable. You are one warped individual. There are a number on this site, but you are by far the most disturbed.[/p][/quote]I agree James a Peal of wisdom ,Immigrants are out breeding us four to one ,that is a fact .we also know that we have a hard core of brain washed Muslims in this country, already around five hundred of these lunatics that we know of have joined the murderers destroying the cradle of civilisation in the near east, they have one foot on the planet and another in some paradise that a politician in the mold of Tony Blair whose pronouncements where written down some three hundred years after the paradise promise, very like the Christian rubbish written about eight hundred years before by another charlatan or charlatans in the deliberate exercise of controlling ignorant minds . I like Welshmen fear that if this bubonic plague that has invaded our country is not curtailed our grand children and great grand children will curse the very breath we have taken . coalpicker
  • Score: 8

5:50pm Fri 15 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

The majority of the contributions to have been made upon this subject have taken lunacy into new and previously unimagined realms. Having read the gibberish spouted by some of the contributors, it's to be wondered how you people manage to survive crossing the road on your own. That anyone could actually believe the kind of paranoically xenophobic garbage talked by some of you, is pretty close to frightening - given that they let you vote and run loose amongst an unsuspecting populous. It would be reasonable to describe you as being cretinous, but the world is not of such a charitable disposition as to give you the benefit of the doubt.

There are six billion human beings upon this plant, of whom only a miniscule number happen to be Muslims. Of those that are Muslims, only a small number happen to be criminally deluded fanatics. They are never going to be able to take over the world. They are not even going to be able to take over this island - though, given the miserable nature of that section its population represented by the authors of the mindless hate-filled social inadequacy expressed upon this matter, it's to be wondered why they would ever want to.

The reality is that they are incapable of making a half-way decent job of taking over those countries that could reasonably be described as being their own - let alone being capable of overrunning anyone else's. While it's to be believed that your personalities might well be greatly improved by taking on board that culture, or any other manner of culture for that matter, there is not the least possibility of anyone ever being in a position to force the Islamic religion upon you. Anyone doubting that fact and wishing to try, has only to look at the fate met by the Christians - sixteen centuries of effort and they've sunk without a trace.
The majority of the contributions to have been made upon this subject have taken lunacy into new and previously unimagined realms. Having read the gibberish spouted by some of the contributors, it's to be wondered how you people manage to survive crossing the road on your own. That anyone could actually believe the kind of paranoically xenophobic garbage talked by some of you, is pretty close to frightening - given that they let you vote and run loose amongst an unsuspecting populous. It would be reasonable to describe you as being cretinous, but the world is not of such a charitable disposition as to give you the benefit of the doubt. There are six billion human beings upon this plant, of whom only a miniscule number happen to be Muslims. Of those that are Muslims, only a small number happen to be criminally deluded fanatics. They are never going to be able to take over the world. They are not even going to be able to take over this island - though, given the miserable nature of that section its population represented by the authors of the mindless hate-filled social inadequacy expressed upon this matter, it's to be wondered why they would ever want to. The reality is that they are incapable of making a half-way decent job of taking over those countries that could reasonably be described as being their own - let alone being capable of overrunning anyone else's. While it's to be believed that your personalities might well be greatly improved by taking on board that culture, or any other manner of culture for that matter, there is not the least possibility of anyone ever being in a position to force the Islamic religion upon you. Anyone doubting that fact and wishing to try, has only to look at the fate met by the Christians - sixteen centuries of effort and they've sunk without a trace. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -4

8:31pm Fri 15 Aug 14

welshmen says...

h.watcyn023@btintern
et.com

Yes Mr Chamberlain peace in our time, go and tell that to the Yazidi....and the other peoples of those Countries from that list below,
Where Islam is "Misunderstood"for some very odd reason, the perfect religion of Islam is routinely "misunderstood" each and every day.
Since 9/11, terrorism in the name of Allah occurs in:

India and the Sudan and Algeria and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Arkansas and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Georgia and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Illinois and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Afghanistan and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and Argentina and Mali and Angola and the Ukraine and Uganda and North Carolina and Germany and Arizona and Lebanon and Iran and Kazakhstan and Sweden and Azerbaijan and Iraq and Scotland and Macedonia and Bulgaria and Cameroon and Massachusetts and Djibouti and pretty much wherever Islam is taken seriously:

And Allah said,
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who
are near to you, and let them find harshness in you,
and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty"
Qur'an, Sura 9:123

And your OK to let your great Grand kids children wipe up your mess because you couldn't bring your self to actually face being called an Islamaphobe, the word invented by the supporters of Islam, you believe nothings going to happen here, it's only a small minority that are Terrorists and the UK wont have any more attacks, as for their culture you go ahead fill your boots, Islam loves you, well, your kind who believe all that B/S post of yours, your the lost course, it seems to me and millions of British people who do care for our Countries future and it's not with a 7th Centry sky God, yet you'll go on with your beliefs, that's your choice....7 Billion people in the world, 1.7 billion are Muslim, 23% of those are radicalised....Islam rules through Fear not love....
h.watcyn023@btintern et.com Yes Mr Chamberlain peace in our time, go and tell that to the Yazidi....and the other peoples of those Countries from that list below, Where Islam is "Misunderstood"for some very odd reason, the perfect religion of Islam is routinely "misunderstood" each and every day. Since 9/11, terrorism in the name of Allah occurs in: India and the Sudan and Algeria and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Arkansas and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Georgia and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Illinois and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Afghanistan and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and Argentina and Mali and Angola and the Ukraine and Uganda and North Carolina and Germany and Arizona and Lebanon and Iran and Kazakhstan and Sweden and Azerbaijan and Iraq and Scotland and Macedonia and Bulgaria and Cameroon and Massachusetts and Djibouti and pretty much wherever Islam is taken seriously: And Allah said, "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty" Qur'an, Sura 9:123 And your OK to let your great Grand kids children wipe up your mess because you couldn't bring your self to actually face being called an Islamaphobe, the word invented by the supporters of Islam, you believe nothings going to happen here, it's only a small minority that are Terrorists and the UK wont have any more attacks, as for their culture you go ahead fill your boots, Islam loves you, well, your kind who believe all that B/S post of yours, your the lost course, it seems to me and millions of British people who do care for our Countries future and it's not with a 7th Centry sky God, yet you'll go on with your beliefs, that's your choice....7 Billion people in the world, 1.7 billion are Muslim, 23% of those are radicalised....Islam rules through Fear not love.... welshmen
  • Score: 5

8:55pm Fri 15 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

What the hell are you talking about?
What the hell are you talking about? h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -3

9:43pm Fri 15 Aug 14

coalpicker says...

h.watcyn023@btintern
et.com
wrote:
What the hell are you talking about?
Well Watcyn if you do not know what Welshman is talking about what the hell are you doing on this post ???
[quote][p][bold]h.watcyn023@btintern et.com[/bold] wrote: What the hell are you talking about?[/p][/quote]Well Watcyn if you do not know what Welshman is talking about what the hell are you doing on this post ??? coalpicker
  • Score: 2

10:18pm Fri 15 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

It's to be doubted that anyone does know what the gentlemen is endeavouring to say - presuming that there is any attempt to say anything, as opposed to merely an expulsion of toxic but meaningless verbiage spitting hate at anyone vulnerable enough to serve as a scapegoat for his personal inadequacies. A condition that appears to afflict those of you that are not merely benighted and unaware in your orientation to the world outside of your non-comprehendingly introverted social insularity.
It's to be doubted that anyone does know what the gentlemen is endeavouring to say - presuming that there is any attempt to say anything, as opposed to merely an expulsion of toxic but meaningless verbiage spitting hate at anyone vulnerable enough to serve as a scapegoat for his personal inadequacies. A condition that appears to afflict those of you that are not merely benighted and unaware in your orientation to the world outside of your non-comprehendingly introverted social insularity. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -4

11:08am Sat 16 Aug 14

welshmen says...

h.watcyn023@btintern
et.com
wrote:
It's to be doubted that anyone does know what the gentlemen is endeavouring to say - presuming that there is any attempt to say anything, as opposed to merely an expulsion of toxic but meaningless verbiage spitting hate at anyone vulnerable enough to serve as a scapegoat for his personal inadequacies. A condition that appears to afflict those of you that are not merely benighted and unaware in your orientation to the world outside of your non-comprehendingly introverted social insularity.
You really need to give those rather large blinkers back to that Shire horse, seriously you have the worldly knowledge of a person with a one mile circumference around your brain....
[quote][p][bold]h.watcyn023@btintern et.com[/bold] wrote: It's to be doubted that anyone does know what the gentlemen is endeavouring to say - presuming that there is any attempt to say anything, as opposed to merely an expulsion of toxic but meaningless verbiage spitting hate at anyone vulnerable enough to serve as a scapegoat for his personal inadequacies. A condition that appears to afflict those of you that are not merely benighted and unaware in your orientation to the world outside of your non-comprehendingly introverted social insularity.[/p][/quote]You really need to give those rather large blinkers back to that Shire horse, seriously you have the worldly knowledge of a person with a one mile circumference around your brain.... welshmen
  • Score: 3

11:48am Sat 16 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

Do you have anything to say that isn't merely poisonously illiterate, xenophobically inbred and social atavistic personal opinion?
Do you have anything to say that isn't merely poisonously illiterate, xenophobically inbred and social atavistic personal opinion? h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -3

11:45am Sun 17 Aug 14

rover100rich says...

who the hell are mao zedong and starling?
who the hell are mao zedong and starling? rover100rich
  • Score: -1

1:34pm Sun 17 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

They were dictators, now long-dead, noted for having viciously intolerant views that were not dissimilar to those expounded by a great many making statements upon this issue.
They were dictators, now long-dead, noted for having viciously intolerant views that were not dissimilar to those expounded by a great many making statements upon this issue. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: 0

5:13pm Sun 17 Aug 14

rover100rich says...

i know he means mao tse tung and stalin
i know he means mao tse tung and stalin rover100rich
  • Score: 1

6:09pm Sun 17 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

My apologies. I see what you mean - curious little critter, isn't he?
My apologies. I see what you mean - curious little critter, isn't he? h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: 2

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