Hols hotchpotch

First published in Letters

THE on-going furore about parents being fined for taking their children on holiday during term time has highlighted the lack of thought and inconsistency running through the whole process.

While some parents are fined and others are sent warning letters, frequently at the whim of the head teacher; quite a few education authorities don’t seem to bother at all.

And what about travellers’ children? With their nomadic lifestyle they can’t be easy to prosecute, if at all.

Now that would make an interesting court case, a parent (non gypsy) pleading not guilty on the grounds of racial and ethnic discrimination.

A Greenhalgh, Ross Street, Newport

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4:58pm Wed 13 Aug 14

landyman3030 says...

This tax ( and it is a tax ) on the ever paying parents is hard to swallow.
I will get fined £360 next year for taking my three punctual, straight A, hard working children on a two week break which has been designed to have the least impact on their school work. This will be our only holiday for several years as GCSE start the year after.
I am told when i have my holidays through the year like many others.
I would like to take them in holiday time but apart from not having the time off, i find the price prohibitive. We have never been abroad as a family before because of this.
I will pay the fine and i will take them.
It just galls me that when you take away 3 teacher training days in term time that they had this year, the quiet days which signal the end of each term, the week of dvds and tidying classrooms which heralded the summer holidays and the almost too many days to count when a supply teacher or T.A. ran the class because the regular teachers were busy preparing curriculum material, they have lost more time IN school then they will have on our family break next year.
Every person who bemoans that EVERY DAY that a child loses schoolwork is unrecoverable should look first at the way things are run by the LEA and ultimately the WAG.
They lose more of my childrens time then i will.
This tax ( and it is a tax ) on the ever paying parents is hard to swallow. I will get fined £360 next year for taking my three punctual, straight A, hard working children on a two week break which has been designed to have the least impact on their school work. This will be our only holiday for several years as GCSE start the year after. I am told when i have my holidays through the year like many others. I would like to take them in holiday time but apart from not having the time off, i find the price prohibitive. We have never been abroad as a family before because of this. I will pay the fine and i will take them. It just galls me that when you take away 3 teacher training days in term time that they had this year, the quiet days which signal the end of each term, the week of dvds and tidying classrooms which heralded the summer holidays and the almost too many days to count when a supply teacher or T.A. ran the class because the regular teachers were busy preparing curriculum material, they have lost more time IN school then they will have on our family break next year. Every person who bemoans that EVERY DAY that a child loses schoolwork is unrecoverable should look first at the way things are run by the LEA and ultimately the WAG. They lose more of my childrens time then i will. landyman3030
  • Score: 6

12:44pm Thu 14 Aug 14

throwy1 says...

landyman3030 how do you know your proposed holiday will not impact on your children's learning, the simple answer is unless you are the teacher you don't.
A teacher has to deliver the syllabus laid down each year. Lessons are planned and there isn't any room for repeats. What a child/student misses whilst on holiday is lost.
Speaking, by the way, as a parent of a teacher.
landyman3030 how do you know your proposed holiday will not impact on your children's learning, the simple answer is unless you are the teacher you don't. A teacher has to deliver the syllabus laid down each year. Lessons are planned and there isn't any room for repeats. What a child/student misses whilst on holiday is lost. Speaking, by the way, as a parent of a teacher. throwy1
  • Score: -5

1:11pm Thu 14 Aug 14

BobEvams2014 says...

throwy1 wrote:
landyman3030 how do you know your proposed holiday will not impact on your children's learning, the simple answer is unless you are the teacher you don't.
A teacher has to deliver the syllabus laid down each year. Lessons are planned and there isn't any room for repeats. What a child/student misses whilst on holiday is lost.
Speaking, by the way, as a parent of a teacher.
So accept the facts, you could go years without a holiday if your employer gives you your entitlement at the wrong time.
[quote][p][bold]throwy1[/bold] wrote: landyman3030 how do you know your proposed holiday will not impact on your children's learning, the simple answer is unless you are the teacher you don't. A teacher has to deliver the syllabus laid down each year. Lessons are planned and there isn't any room for repeats. What a child/student misses whilst on holiday is lost. Speaking, by the way, as a parent of a teacher.[/p][/quote]So accept the facts, you could go years without a holiday if your employer gives you your entitlement at the wrong time. BobEvams2014
  • Score: 7

1:41pm Thu 14 Aug 14

throwy1 says...

There is no such thing as the wrong time for a holiday
There is no such thing as the wrong time for a holiday throwy1
  • Score: -4

3:15pm Thu 14 Aug 14

landyman3030 says...

I disagree with a law passed for anti social behaviour to be used as a weapon against normal people who parent responsibly through the year with punctuality, support, uniform and interest in their childs education and then get penalised with the big stick by the WAG because of circumstance in holiday time.
I pointed out earlier without even trying that the WAG education curriculum is failing my children at least 10 days a year, yet i am the one paying £120 per child for the same period.
Missing any education is not right but when you are in my position where my children will not have a holiday in years because of my work commitments and their schooling, what do you do?
England have had this law in place for over a year and it has caused nothing but hardship and bad feeling where implemented.
The WAG did not have to follow but in the era of devolution they couldn't wait to suckle at the teat of greed in taxing the normal working person again.
You are right there are no repeats in education. There are also no repeats in my children's growing up and they will remember a holiday with their parents even if it happens only the once.
I disagree with a law passed for anti social behaviour to be used as a weapon against normal people who parent responsibly through the year with punctuality, support, uniform and interest in their childs education and then get penalised with the big stick by the WAG because of circumstance in holiday time. I pointed out earlier without even trying that the WAG education curriculum is failing my children at least 10 days a year, yet i am the one paying £120 per child for the same period. Missing any education is not right but when you are in my position where my children will not have a holiday in years because of my work commitments and their schooling, what do you do? England have had this law in place for over a year and it has caused nothing but hardship and bad feeling where implemented. The WAG did not have to follow but in the era of devolution they couldn't wait to suckle at the teat of greed in taxing the normal working person again. You are right there are no repeats in education. There are also no repeats in my children's growing up and they will remember a holiday with their parents even if it happens only the once. landyman3030
  • Score: 5

8:14pm Thu 14 Aug 14

varteg1 says...

One of mine spent three months out of school for medical reasons, not all at once, but over the course of the year.

She suffered so badly from lack of school she only managed to obtain a degree at a red brick uni.

As I said, a total of three months...90 days.. so can some smart alec in education explain to me how she managed to get to Uni, and how a week or two, 7 to 14 days will 'harm' the education of others?

I was a perpetual truant, but I also managed to get a Bsc.
One of mine spent three months out of school for medical reasons, not all at once, but over the course of the year. She suffered so badly from lack of school she only managed to obtain a degree at a red brick uni. As I said, a total of three months...90 days.. so can some smart alec in education explain to me how she managed to get to Uni, and how a week or two, 7 to 14 days will 'harm' the education of others? I was a perpetual truant, but I also managed to get a Bsc. varteg1
  • Score: 2

8:37pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

This is a no-win situation. If schools stagger the holidays or the holiday areas see a trend to take holidays outside prime time rip off periods, then they will simply charge where they see demand again. So the more parents take hols outside the summer holiday, they will readjust prices accordingly. The issue is those bunking off to take cheapo holidays with parents then delay the class for the rest of the time, and it gets hard to make that time up again. Another problem is parents taking holidays as and when it suits them, the schools cannot maintain continuity then in their child's education. The teachers too have to take holidays at that time so pay the same prices you do.
This is a no-win situation. If schools stagger the holidays or the holiday areas see a trend to take holidays outside prime time rip off periods, then they will simply charge where they see demand again. So the more parents take hols outside the summer holiday, they will readjust prices accordingly. The issue is those bunking off to take cheapo holidays with parents then delay the class for the rest of the time, and it gets hard to make that time up again. Another problem is parents taking holidays as and when it suits them, the schools cannot maintain continuity then in their child's education. The teachers too have to take holidays at that time so pay the same prices you do. Mervyn James
  • Score: -3

10:38pm Thu 14 Aug 14

landyman3030 says...

Mervyn James wrote:
This is a no-win situation. If schools stagger the holidays or the holiday areas see a trend to take holidays outside prime time rip off periods, then they will simply charge where they see demand again. So the more parents take hols outside the summer holiday, they will readjust prices accordingly. The issue is those bunking off to take cheapo holidays with parents then delay the class for the rest of the time, and it gets hard to make that time up again. Another problem is parents taking holidays as and when it suits them, the schools cannot maintain continuity then in their child's education. The teachers too have to take holidays at that time so pay the same prices you do.
It's a no win situation for the parents yet again, that's for certain.
There is no delay in teaching when a child is off. The rest of the class do not sit there twiddling their thumbs until the child returns. There is no delay in the rest of the classes education.
The schools struggle to maintain continuity in education when they insist on interrupting the school term with teacher training days when they could quite easily use the first week of summer holidays as a training week.
Ultimately this has got less to do with children's welfare from missing a few days holiday once a year and more to do with squeezing the cash cow for a little more money for the fat cats. Monies raised by fines will go towards self funding the fines system. If there is any surplus it will be returned directly to the WAG for use by them at Assembly level.
I thought devolution meant thinking independently of Central Government. The WAG have seen the uproar this law has made in England and yet couldn't wait to follow like lapdogs because it means an easy buck for them. We'll done Carwyn.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: This is a no-win situation. If schools stagger the holidays or the holiday areas see a trend to take holidays outside prime time rip off periods, then they will simply charge where they see demand again. So the more parents take hols outside the summer holiday, they will readjust prices accordingly. The issue is those bunking off to take cheapo holidays with parents then delay the class for the rest of the time, and it gets hard to make that time up again. Another problem is parents taking holidays as and when it suits them, the schools cannot maintain continuity then in their child's education. The teachers too have to take holidays at that time so pay the same prices you do.[/p][/quote]It's a no win situation for the parents yet again, that's for certain. There is no delay in teaching when a child is off. The rest of the class do not sit there twiddling their thumbs until the child returns. There is no delay in the rest of the classes education. The schools struggle to maintain continuity in education when they insist on interrupting the school term with teacher training days when they could quite easily use the first week of summer holidays as a training week. Ultimately this has got less to do with children's welfare from missing a few days holiday once a year and more to do with squeezing the cash cow for a little more money for the fat cats. Monies raised by fines will go towards self funding the fines system. If there is any surplus it will be returned directly to the WAG for use by them at Assembly level. I thought devolution meant thinking independently of Central Government. The WAG have seen the uproar this law has made in England and yet couldn't wait to follow like lapdogs because it means an easy buck for them. We'll done Carwyn. landyman3030
  • Score: 7

9:09pm Mon 18 Aug 14

pbhj says...

>"What a child/student misses whilst on holiday is lost." //

What a child misses of their education by not going on holidays is also lost. We shouldn't automatically value academic education above vocational education, life skills, or social education experiences.
>"What a child/student misses whilst on holiday is lost." // What a child misses of their education by not going on holidays is also lost. We shouldn't automatically value academic education above vocational education, life skills, or social education experiences. pbhj
  • Score: -1

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