A lesson to learn

First published in Letters

A LESSON for Cllr Ray Davies – what about £40 million that was made available to the Labour Welsh government by London to help with English councils tax freezes? But the money is not ring-fenced, so ministers in Cardiff could spend it on other things. As a Labour councillor, you need to ask why wasn’t this money used for Welsh councils.

Andrew Nutt, Heolddu Road, Bargoed

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1:50pm Mon 18 Aug 14

mkaibear1 says...

It couldn't possibly be because if the Labour WAG kept the money then the Labour councils could be "forced" to raise council tax but make the blame for it go entirely to the Tories, could it?
It couldn't possibly be because if the Labour WAG kept the money then the Labour councils could be "forced" to raise council tax but make the blame for it go entirely to the Tories, could it? mkaibear1
  • Score: 10

8:30am Tue 19 Aug 14

varteg1 says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
It couldn't possibly be because if the Labour WAG kept the money then the Labour councils could be "forced" to raise council tax but make the blame for it go entirely to the Tories, could it?
Far from my being a Tory supporter, I have recently pointed out on another thread that during the whole of the Labour tenure between 1997 and 2010, the average rise in council tax for band 'd' in Newport was around £ 40 per annum, whilst that for the period 20112 to the present it was around £34 per annum.
I ignore any external considerations regarding political influence or interference, and just state the figures as available on Newport Council web site,

The implication that the Assembly or Westminster have caused an inordinate tax rise is demonstrably incorrect, as I see it.
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: It couldn't possibly be because if the Labour WAG kept the money then the Labour councils could be "forced" to raise council tax but make the blame for it go entirely to the Tories, could it?[/p][/quote]Far from my being a Tory supporter, I have recently pointed out on another thread that during the whole of the Labour tenure between 1997 and 2010, the average rise in council tax for band 'd' in Newport was around £ 40 per annum, whilst that for the period 20112 to the present it was around £34 per annum. I ignore any external considerations regarding political influence or interference, and just state the figures as available on Newport Council web site, The implication that the Assembly or Westminster have caused an inordinate tax rise is demonstrably incorrect, as I see it. varteg1
  • Score: 0

9:28am Tue 19 Aug 14

Mr Miffed says...

varteg1 wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote:
It couldn't possibly be because if the Labour WAG kept the money then the Labour councils could be "forced" to raise council tax but make the blame for it go entirely to the Tories, could it?
Far from my being a Tory supporter, I have recently pointed out on another thread that during the whole of the Labour tenure between 1997 and 2010, the average rise in council tax for band 'd' in Newport was around £ 40 per annum, whilst that for the period 20112 to the present it was around £34 per annum.
I ignore any external considerations regarding political influence or interference, and just state the figures as available on Newport Council web site,

The implication that the Assembly or Westminster have caused an inordinate tax rise is demonstrably incorrect, as I see it.
That doesn't make any sense. If WAG withheld money sent from Westminster to keep the increases down then they were bound to be higher than councils where the subsidy was passed on as in England surely? The wider point though is that Labour bang on about the 'cost of living crisis' yet put up the taxes they still control by double inflation and were happy to do so for plenty more taxes when they controlled all of them.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: It couldn't possibly be because if the Labour WAG kept the money then the Labour councils could be "forced" to raise council tax but make the blame for it go entirely to the Tories, could it?[/p][/quote]Far from my being a Tory supporter, I have recently pointed out on another thread that during the whole of the Labour tenure between 1997 and 2010, the average rise in council tax for band 'd' in Newport was around £ 40 per annum, whilst that for the period 20112 to the present it was around £34 per annum. I ignore any external considerations regarding political influence or interference, and just state the figures as available on Newport Council web site, The implication that the Assembly or Westminster have caused an inordinate tax rise is demonstrably incorrect, as I see it.[/p][/quote]That doesn't make any sense. If WAG withheld money sent from Westminster to keep the increases down then they were bound to be higher than councils where the subsidy was passed on as in England surely? The wider point though is that Labour bang on about the 'cost of living crisis' yet put up the taxes they still control by double inflation and were happy to do so for plenty more taxes when they controlled all of them. Mr Miffed
  • Score: 2

1:01pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

If the Barnet formula was followed properly, the WAG would not have to keep making up the shortfall all the time, even loony Clegg admits Westminster is bleeding wales dry because they are labour run, (Which won't help his party come election time, which stands to be erased from the political scene). He said **** all the years he played the court jester to Cameron clowning. Latest wheeze they are family orientated, clear evidence London is on par with never-never land these days.
If the Barnet formula was followed properly, the WAG would not have to keep making up the shortfall all the time, even loony Clegg admits Westminster is bleeding wales dry because they are labour run, (Which won't help his party come election time, which stands to be erased from the political scene). He said **** all the years he played the court jester to Cameron clowning. Latest wheeze they are family orientated, clear evidence London is on par with never-never land these days. Mervyn James
  • Score: -5

3:17pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

Mervyn James wrote:
If the Barnet formula was followed properly, the WAG would not have to keep making up the shortfall all the time, even loony Clegg admits Westminster is bleeding wales dry because they are labour run, (Which won't help his party come election time, which stands to be erased from the political scene). He said **** all the years he played the court jester to Cameron clowning. Latest wheeze they are family orientated, clear evidence London is on par with never-never land these days.
Thought you were in favour of independence in which case there'd be no Barnett formula. I'm struggling to see how Wales getting £6-10b a year it didn't earn is being 'bled' by Westminster or anyone else. WAG can plead poverty with some sincerity when it stops blowing taxpayer cash on race tracks, airports, it's own office building (and pen-pusher occupants) and the Welsh language.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: If the Barnet formula was followed properly, the WAG would not have to keep making up the shortfall all the time, even loony Clegg admits Westminster is bleeding wales dry because they are labour run, (Which won't help his party come election time, which stands to be erased from the political scene). He said **** all the years he played the court jester to Cameron clowning. Latest wheeze they are family orientated, clear evidence London is on par with never-never land these days.[/p][/quote]Thought you were in favour of independence in which case there'd be no Barnett formula. I'm struggling to see how Wales getting £6-10b a year it didn't earn is being 'bled' by Westminster or anyone else. WAG can plead poverty with some sincerity when it stops blowing taxpayer cash on race tracks, airports, it's own office building (and pen-pusher occupants) and the Welsh language. Stevenboy
  • Score: 11

5:39pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Nig says...

the cuts in England are far deeper than in Wales , it appears that few who comment have a clue what they are talking about , £40 million divided by 22 local authorities works out at just over a million per council (£1.8million) , Caerphilly has already seen a cut of £13 million with another £30 million to come , making a grand total of £43Million. £40 million form the Uk government, is tokenism designed to fool the foolish . WAG and local Government waste more than £40 million a year on welsh.
the cuts in England are far deeper than in Wales , it appears that few who comment have a clue what they are talking about , £40 million divided by 22 local authorities works out at just over a million per council (£1.8million) , Caerphilly has already seen a cut of £13 million with another £30 million to come , making a grand total of £43Million. £40 million form the Uk government, is tokenism designed to fool the foolish . WAG and local Government waste more than £40 million a year on welsh. Nig
  • Score: 0

5:45pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Nig says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
It couldn't possibly be because if the Labour WAG kept the money then the Labour councils could be "forced" to raise council tax but make the blame for it go entirely to the Tories, could it?
Stop wasting millions on Welsh and we could the cut council tax for all and invest more in services used by 95% of the tax paying public.
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: It couldn't possibly be because if the Labour WAG kept the money then the Labour councils could be "forced" to raise council tax but make the blame for it go entirely to the Tories, could it?[/p][/quote]Stop wasting millions on Welsh and we could the cut council tax for all and invest more in services used by 95% of the tax paying public. Nig
  • Score: 14

5:49pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Nig says...

mkaibear1 wrote:
It couldn't possibly be because if the Labour WAG kept the money then the Labour councils could be "forced" to raise council tax but make the blame for it go entirely to the Tories, could it?
the cuts in England are far deeper than in Wales , it appears that few who comment have a clue what they are talking about , £40 million divided by 22 local authorities works out at just over a million per council (£1.8million) , Caerphilly has already seen a cut of £13 million with another £30 million to come , making a grand total of £43Million. £40 million form the Uk government, is tokenism designed to fool the foolish . WAG and local Government waste more than £40 million a year on welsh.
[quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: It couldn't possibly be because if the Labour WAG kept the money then the Labour councils could be "forced" to raise council tax but make the blame for it go entirely to the Tories, could it?[/p][/quote]the cuts in England are far deeper than in Wales , it appears that few who comment have a clue what they are talking about , £40 million divided by 22 local authorities works out at just over a million per council (£1.8million) , Caerphilly has already seen a cut of £13 million with another £30 million to come , making a grand total of £43Million. £40 million form the Uk government, is tokenism designed to fool the foolish . WAG and local Government waste more than £40 million a year on welsh. Nig
  • Score: 1

5:54pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

Nig wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote:
It couldn't possibly be because if the Labour WAG kept the money then the Labour councils could be "forced" to raise council tax but make the blame for it go entirely to the Tories, could it?
the cuts in England are far deeper than in Wales , it appears that few who comment have a clue what they are talking about , £40 million divided by 22 local authorities works out at just over a million per council (£1.8million) , Caerphilly has already seen a cut of £13 million with another £30 million to come , making a grand total of £43Million. £40 million form the Uk government, is tokenism designed to fool the foolish . WAG and local Government waste more than £40 million a year on welsh.
Which party controls WAG?
[quote][p][bold]Nig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: It couldn't possibly be because if the Labour WAG kept the money then the Labour councils could be "forced" to raise council tax but make the blame for it go entirely to the Tories, could it?[/p][/quote]the cuts in England are far deeper than in Wales , it appears that few who comment have a clue what they are talking about , £40 million divided by 22 local authorities works out at just over a million per council (£1.8million) , Caerphilly has already seen a cut of £13 million with another £30 million to come , making a grand total of £43Million. £40 million form the Uk government, is tokenism designed to fool the foolish . WAG and local Government waste more than £40 million a year on welsh.[/p][/quote]Which party controls WAG? Stevenboy
  • Score: 6

9:29pm Tue 19 Aug 14

varteg1 says...

Mr Miffed wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
mkaibear1 wrote:
It couldn't possibly be because if the Labour WAG kept the money then the Labour councils could be "forced" to raise council tax but make the blame for it go entirely to the Tories, could it?
Far from my being a Tory supporter, I have recently pointed out on another thread that during the whole of the Labour tenure between 1997 and 2010, the average rise in council tax for band 'd' in Newport was around £ 40 per annum, whilst that for the period 20112 to the present it was around £34 per annum.
I ignore any external considerations regarding political influence or interference, and just state the figures as available on Newport Council web site,

The implication that the Assembly or Westminster have caused an inordinate tax rise is demonstrably incorrect, as I see it.
That doesn't make any sense. If WAG withheld money sent from Westminster to keep the increases down then they were bound to be higher than councils where the subsidy was passed on as in England surely? The wider point though is that Labour bang on about the 'cost of living crisis' yet put up the taxes they still control by double inflation and were happy to do so for plenty more taxes when they controlled all of them.
Neither does yours make any sense.


The point was that others are forever decrying the Tory government for causing immense tax hikes, but look again at the data I provided, confirmed by Newport Council as correct.


Note....the annual year on year rise in council tax in Newport for the last four years is around £6 pound per year less than the 13 years when Labour government was in Westminster.

So... either Newport council have been extremely prudent with their spending, or they have been starved, by the Assembly.

Take your pick.

As I said before, I will ignore the causes per se, as should I make any comment on the political aspects, it will simply generate a load of 'righty' or 'lefty' commentary.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Miffed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mkaibear1[/bold] wrote: It couldn't possibly be because if the Labour WAG kept the money then the Labour councils could be "forced" to raise council tax but make the blame for it go entirely to the Tories, could it?[/p][/quote]Far from my being a Tory supporter, I have recently pointed out on another thread that during the whole of the Labour tenure between 1997 and 2010, the average rise in council tax for band 'd' in Newport was around £ 40 per annum, whilst that for the period 20112 to the present it was around £34 per annum. I ignore any external considerations regarding political influence or interference, and just state the figures as available on Newport Council web site, The implication that the Assembly or Westminster have caused an inordinate tax rise is demonstrably incorrect, as I see it.[/p][/quote]That doesn't make any sense. If WAG withheld money sent from Westminster to keep the increases down then they were bound to be higher than councils where the subsidy was passed on as in England surely? The wider point though is that Labour bang on about the 'cost of living crisis' yet put up the taxes they still control by double inflation and were happy to do so for plenty more taxes when they controlled all of them.[/p][/quote]Neither does yours make any sense. The point was that others are forever decrying the Tory government for causing immense tax hikes, but look again at the data I provided, confirmed by Newport Council as correct. Note....the annual year on year rise in council tax in Newport for the last four years is around £6 pound per year less than the 13 years when Labour government was in Westminster. So... either Newport council have been extremely prudent with their spending, or they have been starved, by the Assembly. Take your pick. As I said before, I will ignore the causes per se, as should I make any comment on the political aspects, it will simply generate a load of 'righty' or 'lefty' commentary. varteg1
  • Score: 1

10:25am Thu 21 Aug 14

pwlldu says...

no matter what level of government the Labour pary will defend each other. Labour wants to turn Wales into a one party state.
no matter what level of government the Labour pary will defend each other. Labour wants to turn Wales into a one party state. pwlldu
  • Score: 1

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