Question for PM

First published in Letters

AFTER THE recent statement made by David Cameron on Iraq ,the question should be put at PM’s Question time “Does Mr Cameron live in this country or is it just an accommodation address?”

He said that should we not deal with IS in Iraq this terrorism will be on our streets. How did he miss the tube/bus bombings or the soldier killing in Woolwich, Choudry and his mob burning poppies/the union flag? Denial of the facts is the refuge of fools I have news for the PM. This pernicious disease is in our country, it is using our tax-funded education setup to brainwash children. The result is young religious zealots from across the country including Cardiff moving to the Middle East to kill maim and terrorise. More and more of these mentally damaged people are being allowed into our society breeding this cancer. If Mr Cameron and his colleagues understood a basic rule of gardening they would know the only way to kill weeds is to rip them out by the roots. It is common sense that pulling out weeds in a neighbour’s garden will not stop them growing in yours, suffocating your crop .

Dennis Jones, Park Place, Newbridge,

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1:29pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Realist UK says...

The penny has finally dropped with Cameron. His elitist clan are running scared as he realises he has become a real target of these religious zealots. Nigel Farage, along with most of the population, has been saying the same thing for years. On another note, where is our Middle East Peace Envoy (Blair) when you need him?
The penny has finally dropped with Cameron. His elitist clan are running scared as he realises he has become a real target of these religious zealots. Nigel Farage, along with most of the population, has been saying the same thing for years. On another note, where is our Middle East Peace Envoy (Blair) when you need him? Realist UK
  • Score: 9

1:34pm Wed 20 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Dennis Jones, Well said, wow, about time our people realise this religion is NOT of peace, we have all been duped, believing as we do that once living here for a couple of generations this Religion would move more towards our Democratic culture, after all whey come to a Christian Country, if this was not their aim whey come here, but as we now see on a daily basis is Islam demonstrating about what they want, in Birmingham yesterday at Tesco Hodge hill and Sainsburys in Birmingham City Center, at the Sainsbury Demo fronting it was A Labour front bencher Shadana Mahmood, But not only here, but through out our world, in the middle east rampaging through Iraq butchering thousands who don't believe in their form of Religion.

They could come here and continue their hatred of the west, if not this year then sometime in the future, as I see it, we can either do nothing, and hope our Government STOP IT, or demand they stop it, no doubt the PC brigade in the Media will make sure that this religion will continue their Colonisation of our Country, accusing anyone who want Islam out of our Country as racist fascist, bigot, nazi or their favourite Islamaphobe, well I love my Country and the British people of my Culture and I will continue to post the truth no matter what about this Cult Religion who want their Barbaric Sharia Law for all..

Years ago we never saw anything like it is now, even after the Israeli six day war, in which Israel defeated all the surrounding Arab States, yesterday the horrific beheading of the USA journalist James White Foley in Iraq, this heinous war crime was actually carried out by an Islamic terrorist born and brought up in this Country, there's reported to be five to six hundred of this scum in Iraq and Syria, that would mean there's probably about another fifty thousand who would want to go but wont, there's another five hundred thousand who agree with what they are doing in the name of their Cult, and there would be a couple of million who give to various Islamic Charities that support this Butchery of fellow humans, Where are the Islamic demonstrations against ISSL, there are none, but plenty for Gaza....
Dennis Jones, Well said, wow, about time our people realise this religion is NOT of peace, we have all been duped, believing as we do that once living here for a couple of generations this Religion would move more towards our Democratic culture, after all whey come to a Christian Country, if this was not their aim whey come here, but as we now see on a daily basis is Islam demonstrating about what they want, in Birmingham yesterday at Tesco Hodge hill and Sainsburys in Birmingham City Center, at the Sainsbury Demo fronting it was A Labour front bencher Shadana Mahmood, But not only here, but through out our world, in the middle east rampaging through Iraq butchering thousands who don't believe in their form of Religion. They could come here and continue their hatred of the west, if not this year then sometime in the future, as I see it, we can either do nothing, and hope our Government STOP IT, or demand they stop it, no doubt the PC brigade in the Media will make sure that this religion will continue their Colonisation of our Country, accusing anyone who want Islam out of our Country as racist fascist, bigot, nazi or their favourite Islamaphobe, well I love my Country and the British people of my Culture and I will continue to post the truth no matter what about this Cult Religion who want their Barbaric Sharia Law for all.. Years ago we never saw anything like it is now, even after the Israeli six day war, in which Israel defeated all the surrounding Arab States, yesterday the horrific beheading of the USA journalist James White Foley in Iraq, this heinous war crime was actually carried out by an Islamic terrorist born and brought up in this Country, there's reported to be five to six hundred of this scum in Iraq and Syria, that would mean there's probably about another fifty thousand who would want to go but wont, there's another five hundred thousand who agree with what they are doing in the name of their Cult, and there would be a couple of million who give to various Islamic Charities that support this Butchery of fellow humans, Where are the Islamic demonstrations against ISSL, there are none, but plenty for Gaza.... welshmen
  • Score: 9

2:08pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

Laying the blame at Cameron's door is simplistic. He's hogtied by the previous administration' sand judiciary's interpretation of human rights legislation a lot of the time. As long as you have the bleating liberals saying 'you can't do that', nothing will change. That said, complacency is a political disease across all parties. Where's Thatcher when you need her? It could be argued Blair is the biggest culprit.
Laying the blame at Cameron's door is simplistic. He's hogtied by the previous administration' sand judiciary's interpretation of human rights legislation a lot of the time. As long as you have the bleating liberals saying 'you can't do that', nothing will change. That said, complacency is a political disease across all parties. Where's Thatcher when you need her? It could be argued Blair is the biggest culprit. Stevenboy
  • Score: 8

4:38pm Wed 20 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

I accept there to be no one better qualified to speak upon the subject of colonization and its adverse effect upon indigenous populations, than the English - they managed to annex half the known world, and then, with gross culturally illiterate arrogance, proceeded to screw up and wreck the economies and societies related thereto. The irony of their miserably whining l descendents complaining of their backward looking island being occupied by foreigners not sharing their particularly cretinous view of the world, is not lost upon me. It reinforces my recognition of the existence of fate and the inescapability of its justice.

I am not by cultural or personal disposition, given to cruelty, but the gentleman really ought to be in a museum, pinned to a card, with a Latin name underneath him. As for the rest of the moronic generalizations upon the particular, the contributors ought to try and summon the courage and integrity to, actually, look at the world outside of their insular inadequacy, before cheerfully giving their illiterately non-comprehending support to attitudes that will, if the world is so pathetically deficient as to let them go by unchallenged, lead to the death of countless innocent millions, including those of this wondrous island of yours - just as they have in the past.
I accept there to be no one better qualified to speak upon the subject of colonization and its adverse effect upon indigenous populations, than the English - they managed to annex half the known world, and then, with gross culturally illiterate arrogance, proceeded to screw up and wreck the economies and societies related thereto. The irony of their miserably whining l descendents complaining of their backward looking island being occupied by foreigners not sharing their particularly cretinous view of the world, is not lost upon me. It reinforces my recognition of the existence of fate and the inescapability of its justice. I am not by cultural or personal disposition, given to cruelty, but the gentleman really ought to be in a museum, pinned to a card, with a Latin name underneath him. As for the rest of the moronic generalizations upon the particular, the contributors ought to try and summon the courage and integrity to, actually, look at the world outside of their insular inadequacy, before cheerfully giving their illiterately non-comprehending support to attitudes that will, if the world is so pathetically deficient as to let them go by unchallenged, lead to the death of countless innocent millions, including those of this wondrous island of yours - just as they have in the past. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -12

5:19pm Wed 20 Aug 14

mrleebob says...

There is no such thing as a religion of peace. Read the Old Testament. It's all about stoning and drowning.
There is no such thing as a religion of peace. Read the Old Testament. It's all about stoning and drowning. mrleebob
  • Score: 2

5:23pm Wed 20 Aug 14

coalpicker says...

Watcyn Probably before your time but most of the jews in Europe felt the same way about Hitler and the Nazi's ,The cry was we are German ,we fought for Germany in the last war, even the duke of Winsor besotted
fool that he was and subsequently proved to be felt the same. The lone
voice was Churchill who saw as some of us do now what is in front of us.
It pains me that statements such as yours reveals a stupidity only comparable with the parliamentary labour party opening our borders to
the world and his uncle destroying our infrastructure and our society .
Watcyn Probably before your time but most of the jews in Europe felt the same way about Hitler and the Nazi's ,The cry was we are German ,we fought for Germany in the last war, even the duke of Winsor besotted fool that he was and subsequently proved to be felt the same. The lone voice was Churchill who saw as some of us do now what is in front of us. It pains me that statements such as yours reveals a stupidity only comparable with the parliamentary labour party opening our borders to the world and his uncle destroying our infrastructure and our society . coalpicker
  • Score: 7

5:48pm Wed 20 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

You are, of course, entitled to express your opinion - insomuch as it may be considered to be such. Nevertheless, none of it can transform what is a small minority in one section of the world's population into the thing of monstrous proportions your paranoia would have the rest of us believe it to be.
You are, of course, entitled to express your opinion - insomuch as it may be considered to be such. Nevertheless, none of it can transform what is a small minority in one section of the world's population into the thing of monstrous proportions your paranoia would have the rest of us believe it to be. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -6

6:50pm Wed 20 Aug 14

anigel says...

Unfortunately it is our policy in constantly interfering in other countries politics and governments that has caused such widespread hatred of the UK. You don't see Switzerland rushing to invade, and yes that is what you have to call it when you put armed forces in the air and on the ground uninvited , every single country around the globe and you also don't see them being the constant target of religious inspired attacks that you see here. Further rushing to invade more countries is going to do nothing to improve relations and those that are already feeling aggrieved at previous foreign policy will only use further action as yet more justification for taking further action against us.
Unfortunately it is our policy in constantly interfering in other countries politics and governments that has caused such widespread hatred of the UK. You don't see Switzerland rushing to invade, and yes that is what you have to call it when you put armed forces in the air and on the ground uninvited , every single country around the globe and you also don't see them being the constant target of religious inspired attacks that you see here. Further rushing to invade more countries is going to do nothing to improve relations and those that are already feeling aggrieved at previous foreign policy will only use further action as yet more justification for taking further action against us. anigel
  • Score: 0

7:41pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

I think appeasing politicians need to get far tougher on religious fundamentalist terrorists but I define a religious fundamentalist terrorist as any person adhering to a religion who promotes homophobic, transphobic and sexist views. Although there has been an upsurge of Muslim fundamentalism in the last few decades it would be discriminatory and very wrong to only target Muslims in an effort to eradicate religious fanaticism. What the secular state needs to do is to assert itself much stronger but to make it clear that it is coming down hard on ALL religions who have homophobic, transphobic and sexist views. For instance, instead of meekly allowing religious institutions to refuse to conduct same-sex marriage services the government should be turning this to their advantage by forcing religious groups to pay a tax in order to opt out of what is the law for the rest of us civilised, rational people. Instead the government continues to accord them privileges. Perhaps, organised religion should be written out of society altogether when it is simply a man-made perversion purely insignificant with regard to spiritual matters? I fail to see how religions - which basically say 'if you don't believe what I believe then you are going to burn in hell for eternity' - are not simply put on a par with other hate groups like the Ku Klux Klan. Do we really need religion to be spiritual? Will God get really offended and send us to hell for eternity if we eat pork, are a male and fail to take our hat off in church or fail to put it on in a Synagogue or Mosque? If society can crack down on soccer hooligans without someone turning around and accusing the authorities of only picking on Man United, Liverpool FC etc. then why can't we similarly crack down on religions equivalents (i.e. the religious fundamentalists in all religions) with the result that the rest of us (including the reasonable God Botherers) feel much better afterwards for their prompt extraction?
I think appeasing politicians need to get far tougher on religious fundamentalist terrorists but I define a religious fundamentalist terrorist as any person adhering to a religion who promotes homophobic, transphobic and sexist views. Although there has been an upsurge of Muslim fundamentalism in the last few decades it would be discriminatory and very wrong to only target Muslims in an effort to eradicate religious fanaticism. What the secular state needs to do is to assert itself much stronger but to make it clear that it is coming down hard on ALL religions who have homophobic, transphobic and sexist views. For instance, instead of meekly allowing religious institutions to refuse to conduct same-sex marriage services the government should be turning this to their advantage by forcing religious groups to pay a tax in order to opt out of what is the law for the rest of us civilised, rational people. Instead the government continues to accord them privileges. Perhaps, organised religion should be written out of society altogether when it is simply a man-made perversion purely insignificant with regard to spiritual matters? I fail to see how religions - which basically say 'if you don't believe what I believe then you are going to burn in hell for eternity' - are not simply put on a par with other hate groups like the Ku Klux Klan. Do we really need religion to be spiritual? Will God get really offended and send us to hell for eternity if we eat pork, are a male and fail to take our hat off in church or fail to put it on in a Synagogue or Mosque? If society can crack down on soccer hooligans without someone turning around and accusing the authorities of only picking on Man United, Liverpool FC etc. then why can't we similarly crack down on religions equivalents (i.e. the religious fundamentalists in all religions) with the result that the rest of us (including the reasonable God Botherers) feel much better afterwards for their prompt extraction? Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -2

8:56pm Wed 20 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Katie-Re-Registered:


Tell us where Christians are stoning women for getting raped, Tell us where Christians are executing people for being transgender, homosexuals, Tell us where Christians are burying women and Children alive, Tell us where Christians are beheading Journalists just for being American, Tell us where Christians are Kidnapping women and children and selling them at market, Tell us where Christian fundamentalism is flourishing, Tell us where Christians are crucifying men for not being Christian, Tell us where Christians are executing thousands of men and teenagers just because they not Christians.

You want to thank what ever God or Idol you love for being in this Country, all you have to moan about is not being able to get married in Church yet like heterosexuals, you try and justify that to what's happening to thousands of people being wiped out just because they not of the same religion, in my opinion you can stick your homosexual agenda where the sun don't shine, FFS get real....this is not the post to put your everlasting accusations of homophobic fundamentalist view's on this occasion....Islam would wipe you and your's and our's out in a heart beat if we allowed them....
Katie-Re-Registered: Tell us where Christians are stoning women for getting raped, Tell us where Christians are executing people for being transgender, homosexuals, Tell us where Christians are burying women and Children alive, Tell us where Christians are beheading Journalists just for being American, Tell us where Christians are Kidnapping women and children and selling them at market, Tell us where Christian fundamentalism is flourishing, Tell us where Christians are crucifying men for not being Christian, Tell us where Christians are executing thousands of men and teenagers just because they not Christians. You want to thank what ever God or Idol you love for being in this Country, all you have to moan about is not being able to get married in Church yet like heterosexuals, you try and justify that to what's happening to thousands of people being wiped out just because they not of the same religion, in my opinion you can stick your homosexual agenda where the sun don't shine, FFS get real....this is not the post to put your everlasting accusations of homophobic fundamentalist view's on this occasion....Islam would wipe you and your's and our's out in a heart beat if we allowed them.... welshmen
  • Score: 8

9:30pm Wed 20 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

The pathetically benighted creature must be on springs. Apparently, he's only to hear something, even remotely, resembling a reasoned argument to go into a paroxysm of demented, megalomaniacal, egocentric , xenophobic, overcompensating, insecurity-laden resentment - all of it meaninglessly irrelevant to any intelligent consideration of the issues in question.
The pathetically benighted creature must be on springs. Apparently, he's only to hear something, even remotely, resembling a reasoned argument to go into a paroxysm of demented, megalomaniacal, egocentric , xenophobic, overcompensating, insecurity-laden resentment - all of it meaninglessly irrelevant to any intelligent consideration of the issues in question. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -5

6:41am Thu 21 Aug 14

coalpicker says...

h.watcyn023@btintern
et.com
wrote:
The pathetically benighted creature must be on springs. Apparently, he's only to hear something, even remotely, resembling a reasoned argument to go into a paroxysm of demented, megalomaniacal, egocentric , xenophobic, overcompensating, insecurity-laden resentment - all of it meaninglessly irrelevant to any intelligent consideration of the issues in question.
Watcyn stick to sketching ,you are good at that as I recall, but please take an Imodium for your verbal diarrhoea the smell is quite noxious.
[quote][p][bold]h.watcyn023@btintern et.com[/bold] wrote: The pathetically benighted creature must be on springs. Apparently, he's only to hear something, even remotely, resembling a reasoned argument to go into a paroxysm of demented, megalomaniacal, egocentric , xenophobic, overcompensating, insecurity-laden resentment - all of it meaninglessly irrelevant to any intelligent consideration of the issues in question.[/p][/quote]Watcyn stick to sketching ,you are good at that as I recall, but please take an Imodium for your verbal diarrhoea the smell is quite noxious. coalpicker
  • Score: 4

11:38am Thu 21 Aug 14

welshmen says...

h.watcyn023 Your mate Georgi boy:

George Galloway:
Bradford West MP interviewed under caution by police over remarks
Earlier this month he claimed Israelis were no longer welcome in city
In response, the Israel ambassador visited the city on Monday
Mr Galloway says: 'I won't be silenced, I will keep speaking out'.

h.watcyn023 More mates of yours: Johnny boy: and ISSL:

The fanatic who beheaded an American journalist was last night named as one of a gang of British jihadis known as ‘The Beatles’.
As a massive manhunt was launched, a former hostage said he believed the masked Islamic State maniac was a Londoner he had known as ‘John’.
The security services are also close to establishing the identity of the killer who cut James Foley’s throat in a horrific propaganda video.
Said to be a senior Islamic State operative, he was trusted earlier this year to negotiate a hostage exchange.


The BBC: h.watcyn023: and Katie-Re-Registered'
s: favourite TV channel and topic:

A BBC report has laid bare the corporation’s agenda to sexualise young children by exposing them to homosexuality in their ‘formative years’.

The panel of nine ‘LGB (Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual) experts’ commissioned by the BBC concluded that it had a ‘moral duty’ to target children ‘from an early age’ and indoctrinate them into a world of ‘sexual diversity’.
This would also ‘validate’ the feelings of ‘gay children’, it stated, and ensure that LGB children, especially in rural areas, would not feel isolated.
It would also engineer the BBC News to eradicate it of ‘homophobic’ viewpoints, and introduce more outwardly gay presenters and characters in children’s shows, soaps and dramas. Perhaps h.watcyn023: and Katie-Re-Registered: could apply for the posts at the BBC.

This report comes at a time when the corporation is still reeling from the exposure of a series of horrific paedophile scandals.

For decades the BBC beamed the sinister faces of serial paedophiles – including that of the most prolific serial paedophile in British history, Jimmy Savile – on to the screens watched by children across the British Isles and beyond.

Social engineering is nothing new at the ‘Beeb’. For decades it has carried out its agenda to promote racial miscegenation at every turn and the Government’s pro-Immigration and multiracial propaganda and its failed multi-cultural experiment.

The late comedian Rik Mayall stated back in 2005: “You have to be black or homosexual and a woman to work at the BBC.

“The BBC banned Adrian (Edmondson) and I from being on TV, for being heterosexual or known to disagree with the Government (then Tony Blair’s New Labour).

“British TV used to be the finest in the world, now it’s totally imploded.” rather like your post's h.watcyn023: never use one word when forty can suggest the very same topic....Here is an extract from the Manchester Evening News….

Diversity at any cost: h.watcyn023: you say,

"The irony of their miserably whining l descendents complaining of their backward looking island being occupied by foreigners"unquote:

A bin bag containing severed cats' heads was found dumped on a street near to Manchester's famous Curry Mile. Council bosses in Manchester have launched an urgent investigation and the RSPCA is due to be contacted. The sickening discovery was made by a council worker. He found a single black bin bag containing the animal remains close to Walmer Street East and Basil Street, off Wilmslow Road in Rusholme. The council said it had been called after complaints over fly-tipping in Rusholme. A fly-tipping memo sent to councillors and council officials described the contents of the bag as 'cat heads'. The waste type was described as 'animal carcasses'.

Chairman at Wythenshawe and Sale East Conservative Association Stephen Woods, who was sent a copy of the memo, said the council should launch an immediate investigation into how this has happened. "We were all absolutely flabbergasted when we found out about this," he said. "It's absolutely disgraceful the way they have been treated." A Manchester city council spokesman confirmed the sickening find on Friday and said an investigation was now underway.....your world h.watcyn023 enjoy.....
h.watcyn023 Your mate Georgi boy: George Galloway: Bradford West MP interviewed under caution by police over remarks Earlier this month he claimed Israelis were no longer welcome in city In response, the Israel ambassador visited the city on Monday Mr Galloway says: 'I won't be silenced, I will keep speaking out'. h.watcyn023 More mates of yours: Johnny boy: and ISSL: The fanatic who beheaded an American journalist was last night named as one of a gang of British jihadis known as ‘The Beatles’. As a massive manhunt was launched, a former hostage said he believed the masked Islamic State maniac was a Londoner he had known as ‘John’. The security services are also close to establishing the identity of the killer who cut James Foley’s throat in a horrific propaganda video. Said to be a senior Islamic State operative, he was trusted earlier this year to negotiate a hostage exchange. The BBC: h.watcyn023: and Katie-Re-Registered' s: favourite TV channel and topic: A BBC report has laid bare the corporation’s agenda to sexualise young children by exposing them to homosexuality in their ‘formative years’. The panel of nine ‘LGB (Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual) experts’ commissioned by the BBC concluded that it had a ‘moral duty’ to target children ‘from an early age’ and indoctrinate them into a world of ‘sexual diversity’. This would also ‘validate’ the feelings of ‘gay children’, it stated, and ensure that LGB children, especially in rural areas, would not feel isolated. It would also engineer the BBC News to eradicate it of ‘homophobic’ viewpoints, and introduce more outwardly gay presenters and characters in children’s shows, soaps and dramas. Perhaps h.watcyn023: and Katie-Re-Registered: could apply for the posts at the BBC. This report comes at a time when the corporation is still reeling from the exposure of a series of horrific paedophile scandals. For decades the BBC beamed the sinister faces of serial paedophiles – including that of the most prolific serial paedophile in British history, Jimmy Savile – on to the screens watched by children across the British Isles and beyond. Social engineering is nothing new at the ‘Beeb’. For decades it has carried out its agenda to promote racial miscegenation at every turn and the Government’s pro-Immigration and multiracial propaganda and its failed multi-cultural experiment. The late comedian Rik Mayall stated back in 2005: “You have to be black or homosexual and a woman to work at the BBC. “The BBC banned Adrian (Edmondson) and I from being on TV, for being heterosexual or known to disagree with the Government (then Tony Blair’s New Labour). “British TV used to be the finest in the world, now it’s totally imploded.” rather like your post's h.watcyn023: never use one word when forty can suggest the very same topic....Here is an extract from the Manchester Evening News…. Diversity at any cost: h.watcyn023: you say, "The irony of their miserably whining l descendents complaining of their backward looking island being occupied by foreigners"unquote: A bin bag containing severed cats' heads was found dumped on a street near to Manchester's famous Curry Mile. Council bosses in Manchester have launched an urgent investigation and the RSPCA is due to be contacted. The sickening discovery was made by a council worker. He found a single black bin bag containing the animal remains close to Walmer Street East and Basil Street, off Wilmslow Road in Rusholme. The council said it had been called after complaints over fly-tipping in Rusholme. A fly-tipping memo sent to councillors and council officials described the contents of the bag as 'cat heads'. The waste type was described as 'animal carcasses'. Chairman at Wythenshawe and Sale East Conservative Association Stephen Woods, who was sent a copy of the memo, said the council should launch an immediate investigation into how this has happened. "We were all absolutely flabbergasted when we found out about this," he said. "It's absolutely disgraceful the way they have been treated." A Manchester city council spokesman confirmed the sickening find on Friday and said an investigation was now underway.....your world h.watcyn023 enjoy..... welshmen
  • Score: 1

2:18pm Thu 21 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

Most of the gentleman's disturbed rant was too disconnected to be related to anything to have been said, certainly anything said by myself, but his obvious irrational objection to respectful racial co-existence, not to mention, of course, a probable belief that interracial marriage is against the laws of nature, would tend to confirm my interpretation of the nature of his statements and orientation to the rest of humanity - both of which appear to be illiterately presumptuous, cretinously superstitious, socially dysfunctional, destructively repressive, asininely xenophobic, and malignantly introverted.

Unfortunately for his nation, he, I have no doubt, considers those to be excellent prerequisite, if not absolutely essential, characteristics of a good, down-to-earth, no-nonsense, both-feet- on- the- ground, call-a-spade-a-wog, Englishman - truly a people at its most magnificent.
Most of the gentleman's disturbed rant was too disconnected to be related to anything to have been said, certainly anything said by myself, but his obvious irrational objection to respectful racial co-existence, not to mention, of course, a probable belief that interracial marriage is against the laws of nature, would tend to confirm my interpretation of the nature of his statements and orientation to the rest of humanity - both of which appear to be illiterately presumptuous, cretinously superstitious, socially dysfunctional, destructively repressive, asininely xenophobic, and malignantly introverted. Unfortunately for his nation, he, I have no doubt, considers those to be excellent prerequisite, if not absolutely essential, characteristics of a good, down-to-earth, no-nonsense, both-feet- on- the- ground, call-a-spade-a-wog, Englishman - truly a people at its most magnificent. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -3

6:17pm Thu 21 Aug 14

welshmen says...

h.watcyn023:

With your English knowledge of all words meaning not a lot as you post's suggest, public speaking comes to mind, I am sure you could fill a football stadium with all your charisma and within ten minutes have them all asleep with your boring nothing-less drivel, I can't from your posts identify the subject your trying to assault with your verbal vomit....
h.watcyn023: With your English knowledge of all words meaning not a lot as you post's suggest, public speaking comes to mind, I am sure you could fill a football stadium with all your charisma and within ten minutes have them all asleep with your boring nothing-less drivel, I can't from your posts identify the subject your trying to assault with your verbal vomit.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

6:22pm Thu 21 Aug 14

anigel says...

welshmen wrote:
Katie-Re-Registered:



Tell us where Christians are stoning women for getting raped, Tell us where Christians are executing people for being transgender, homosexuals, Tell us where Christians are burying women and Children alive, Tell us where Christians are beheading Journalists just for being American, Tell us where Christians are Kidnapping women and children and selling them at market, Tell us where Christian fundamentalism is flourishing, Tell us where Christians are crucifying men for not being Christian, Tell us where Christians are executing thousands of men and teenagers just because they not Christians.

You want to thank what ever God or Idol you love for being in this Country, all you have to moan about is not being able to get married in Church yet like heterosexuals, you try and justify that to what's happening to thousands of people being wiped out just because they not of the same religion, in my opinion you can stick your homosexual agenda where the sun don't shine, FFS get real....this is not the post to put your everlasting accusations of homophobic fundamentalist view's on this occasion....Islam would wipe you and your's and our's out in a heart beat if we allowed them....
No Christians may not execute them, but they treat them like sub humans and refuse to treat them the same as anyone else, and all because they have a fairy tale book that says something in one little part of it whilst they ignore the other 98%+ of it.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Katie-Re-Registered: Tell us where Christians are stoning women for getting raped, Tell us where Christians are executing people for being transgender, homosexuals, Tell us where Christians are burying women and Children alive, Tell us where Christians are beheading Journalists just for being American, Tell us where Christians are Kidnapping women and children and selling them at market, Tell us where Christian fundamentalism is flourishing, Tell us where Christians are crucifying men for not being Christian, Tell us where Christians are executing thousands of men and teenagers just because they not Christians. You want to thank what ever God or Idol you love for being in this Country, all you have to moan about is not being able to get married in Church yet like heterosexuals, you try and justify that to what's happening to thousands of people being wiped out just because they not of the same religion, in my opinion you can stick your homosexual agenda where the sun don't shine, FFS get real....this is not the post to put your everlasting accusations of homophobic fundamentalist view's on this occasion....Islam would wipe you and your's and our's out in a heart beat if we allowed them....[/p][/quote]No Christians may not execute them, but they treat them like sub humans and refuse to treat them the same as anyone else, and all because they have a fairy tale book that says something in one little part of it whilst they ignore the other 98%+ of it. anigel
  • Score: -5

6:51pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

Stevenboy wrote:
Laying the blame at Cameron's door is simplistic. He's hogtied by the previous administration' sand judiciary's interpretation of human rights legislation a lot of the time. As long as you have the bleating liberals saying 'you can't do that', nothing will change. That said, complacency is a political disease across all parties. Where's Thatcher when you need her? It could be argued Blair is the biggest culprit.
He needs to get a real grip on migration and monitoring jihadists leaving the UK to wage war upon us all elsewhere. The illegals are still coming here in droves by coach by lorry, by air, by sea, and no-one seems to be doing anything about it. Or has any idea of the numbers. We are wide open to a jihad on our streets, faith schools are becoming ideological breeding grounds for extremists care of the taxpayer,utter madness..

Unless we put troops in airports and vet every single one coming and going we are storing up real anarchy on our streets. Better still halt all immigration and seek out the killers in our midst, also mark those who LEAVE the UK more effectively..

We still need a lot more cooperation from the followers of Islam here, they MUST know if their family members have gone abroad and, not returned or, possibly are fighting somewhere. Time they put up. They promised cooperation let us see it. 2 brothers went from Cardiff to Syria, the family suggested they had no idea they left the country.
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: Laying the blame at Cameron's door is simplistic. He's hogtied by the previous administration' sand judiciary's interpretation of human rights legislation a lot of the time. As long as you have the bleating liberals saying 'you can't do that', nothing will change. That said, complacency is a political disease across all parties. Where's Thatcher when you need her? It could be argued Blair is the biggest culprit.[/p][/quote]He needs to get a real grip on migration and monitoring jihadists leaving the UK to wage war upon us all elsewhere. The illegals are still coming here in droves by coach by lorry, by air, by sea, and no-one seems to be doing anything about it. Or has any idea of the numbers. We are wide open to a jihad on our streets, faith schools are becoming ideological breeding grounds for extremists care of the taxpayer,utter madness.. Unless we put troops in airports and vet every single one coming and going we are storing up real anarchy on our streets. Better still halt all immigration and seek out the killers in our midst, also mark those who LEAVE the UK more effectively.. We still need a lot more cooperation from the followers of Islam here, they MUST know if their family members have gone abroad and, not returned or, possibly are fighting somewhere. Time they put up. They promised cooperation let us see it. 2 brothers went from Cardiff to Syria, the family suggested they had no idea they left the country. Mervyn James
  • Score: 4

7:05pm Thu 21 Aug 14

welshmen says...

anigel wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Katie-Re-Registered:




Tell us where Christians are stoning women for getting raped, Tell us where Christians are executing people for being transgender, homosexuals, Tell us where Christians are burying women and Children alive, Tell us where Christians are beheading Journalists just for being American, Tell us where Christians are Kidnapping women and children and selling them at market, Tell us where Christian fundamentalism is flourishing, Tell us where Christians are crucifying men for not being Christian, Tell us where Christians are executing thousands of men and teenagers just because they not Christians.

You want to thank what ever God or Idol you love for being in this Country, all you have to moan about is not being able to get married in Church yet like heterosexuals, you try and justify that to what's happening to thousands of people being wiped out just because they not of the same religion, in my opinion you can stick your homosexual agenda where the sun don't shine, FFS get real....this is not the post to put your everlasting accusations of homophobic fundamentalist view's on this occasion....Islam would wipe you and your's and our's out in a heart beat if we allowed them....
No Christians may not execute them, but they treat them like sub humans and refuse to treat them the same as anyone else, and all because they have a fairy tale book that says something in one little part of it whilst they ignore the other 98%+ of it.
Muslim are you?, trying to justify your fellow Muslims, how proud you must feel when those butchers in Iraq come on utube and show how brave they are, similar to the Gazains in 9/11 dancing at the news of three thousand dead, the sad thing for millions of British people is not one protest by your kind for the actions of ISSL , just moaning at comments others have posted....and all you can come up with is "but they treat them like sub humans and refuse to treat them the same as anyone else" pathetic....
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Katie-Re-Registered: Tell us where Christians are stoning women for getting raped, Tell us where Christians are executing people for being transgender, homosexuals, Tell us where Christians are burying women and Children alive, Tell us where Christians are beheading Journalists just for being American, Tell us where Christians are Kidnapping women and children and selling them at market, Tell us where Christian fundamentalism is flourishing, Tell us where Christians are crucifying men for not being Christian, Tell us where Christians are executing thousands of men and teenagers just because they not Christians. You want to thank what ever God or Idol you love for being in this Country, all you have to moan about is not being able to get married in Church yet like heterosexuals, you try and justify that to what's happening to thousands of people being wiped out just because they not of the same religion, in my opinion you can stick your homosexual agenda where the sun don't shine, FFS get real....this is not the post to put your everlasting accusations of homophobic fundamentalist view's on this occasion....Islam would wipe you and your's and our's out in a heart beat if we allowed them....[/p][/quote]No Christians may not execute them, but they treat them like sub humans and refuse to treat them the same as anyone else, and all because they have a fairy tale book that says something in one little part of it whilst they ignore the other 98%+ of it.[/p][/quote]Muslim are you?, trying to justify your fellow Muslims, how proud you must feel when those butchers in Iraq come on utube and show how brave they are, similar to the Gazains in 9/11 dancing at the news of three thousand dead, the sad thing for millions of British people is not one protest by your kind for the actions of ISSL , just moaning at comments others have posted....and all you can come up with is "but they treat them like sub humans and refuse to treat them the same as anyone else" pathetic.... welshmen
  • Score: -5

7:39pm Thu 21 Aug 14

coalpicker says...

anigel wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Katie-Re-Registered:




Tell us where Christians are stoning women for getting raped, Tell us where Christians are executing people for being transgender, homosexuals, Tell us where Christians are burying women and Children alive, Tell us where Christians are beheading Journalists just for being American, Tell us where Christians are Kidnapping women and children and selling them at market, Tell us where Christian fundamentalism is flourishing, Tell us where Christians are crucifying men for not being Christian, Tell us where Christians are executing thousands of men and teenagers just because they not Christians.

You want to thank what ever God or Idol you love for being in this Country, all you have to moan about is not being able to get married in Church yet like heterosexuals, you try and justify that to what's happening to thousands of people being wiped out just because they not of the same religion, in my opinion you can stick your homosexual agenda where the sun don't shine, FFS get real....this is not the post to put your everlasting accusations of homophobic fundamentalist view's on this occasion....Islam would wipe you and your's and our's out in a heart beat if we allowed them....
No Christians may not execute them, but they treat them like sub humans and refuse to treat them the same as anyone else, and all because they have a fairy tale book that says something in one little part of it whilst they ignore the other 98%+ of it.
THESE MINDLESS CRETINS are sub human, the mind boggles that they believe what some imam who will not put himself in harms way tells them they will go to paradise if they die fighting infidels .,AS someone who has seen men die screaming with their guts hanging out legs or arms missing or shot to piece's believe me the only god that appears is the medic with a syringe but then if you can believe a man can fly to paradise on a winged horse walk on water or resurrect the dead you are susceptible to any confidence trickster .
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Katie-Re-Registered: Tell us where Christians are stoning women for getting raped, Tell us where Christians are executing people for being transgender, homosexuals, Tell us where Christians are burying women and Children alive, Tell us where Christians are beheading Journalists just for being American, Tell us where Christians are Kidnapping women and children and selling them at market, Tell us where Christian fundamentalism is flourishing, Tell us where Christians are crucifying men for not being Christian, Tell us where Christians are executing thousands of men and teenagers just because they not Christians. You want to thank what ever God or Idol you love for being in this Country, all you have to moan about is not being able to get married in Church yet like heterosexuals, you try and justify that to what's happening to thousands of people being wiped out just because they not of the same religion, in my opinion you can stick your homosexual agenda where the sun don't shine, FFS get real....this is not the post to put your everlasting accusations of homophobic fundamentalist view's on this occasion....Islam would wipe you and your's and our's out in a heart beat if we allowed them....[/p][/quote]No Christians may not execute them, but they treat them like sub humans and refuse to treat them the same as anyone else, and all because they have a fairy tale book that says something in one little part of it whilst they ignore the other 98%+ of it.[/p][/quote]THESE MINDLESS CRETINS are sub human, the mind boggles that they believe what some imam who will not put himself in harms way tells them they will go to paradise if they die fighting infidels .,AS someone who has seen men die screaming with their guts hanging out legs or arms missing or shot to piece's believe me the only god that appears is the medic with a syringe but then if you can believe a man can fly to paradise on a winged horse walk on water or resurrect the dead you are susceptible to any confidence trickster . coalpicker
  • Score: 5

7:45pm Thu 21 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

Basically, to explain to you in very large letters and very short words, it is not possible to engage in any manner of meaningful discussion with someone as seemingly challenged as yourself.

You do not have and do not appear capable of gaining knowledge of the matters in question. All you possess, all that you have to offer, are uninformed expressions of personal opinion, which are only worth publication in a humorous context, and, quite frankly, decidedly peculiar seeming distortions of reality.

It is a popular notion that everyone has a right to hold and express such opinion as they may wish, and I would not especially disagree with such a viewpoint, but the right to speak does not carry with it any entitlement to be heard, or, if heard, to be accorded significance. Based upon the tediously ignorant and irrational nature of your various statements, it is possible only to conclude you not to be a great intellect or to possess any insight worth the trouble of hearing.

You are, of course, entitled to continue to **** your uneducated, illiterate, lower working-class ridiculousness at the world, if so wished, and, being civilized and cultured human beings, the rest of us will continue to show tolerance and respect for your basic humanity - but do not make the mistake of confusing such understanding with anything more than a politeness.
Basically, to explain to you in very large letters and very short words, it is not possible to engage in any manner of meaningful discussion with someone as seemingly challenged as yourself. You do not have and do not appear capable of gaining knowledge of the matters in question. All you possess, all that you have to offer, are uninformed expressions of personal opinion, which are only worth publication in a humorous context, and, quite frankly, decidedly peculiar seeming distortions of reality. It is a popular notion that everyone has a right to hold and express such opinion as they may wish, and I would not especially disagree with such a viewpoint, but the right to speak does not carry with it any entitlement to be heard, or, if heard, to be accorded significance. Based upon the tediously ignorant and irrational nature of your various statements, it is possible only to conclude you not to be a great intellect or to possess any insight worth the trouble of hearing. You are, of course, entitled to continue to **** your uneducated, illiterate, lower working-class ridiculousness at the world, if so wished, and, being civilized and cultured human beings, the rest of us will continue to show tolerance and respect for your basic humanity - but do not make the mistake of confusing such understanding with anything more than a politeness. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -3

8:51pm Thu 21 Aug 14

anigel says...

welshmen wrote:
anigel wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Katie-Re-Registered:





Tell us where Christians are stoning women for getting raped, Tell us where Christians are executing people for being transgender, homosexuals, Tell us where Christians are burying women and Children alive, Tell us where Christians are beheading Journalists just for being American, Tell us where Christians are Kidnapping women and children and selling them at market, Tell us where Christian fundamentalism is flourishing, Tell us where Christians are crucifying men for not being Christian, Tell us where Christians are executing thousands of men and teenagers just because they not Christians.

You want to thank what ever God or Idol you love for being in this Country, all you have to moan about is not being able to get married in Church yet like heterosexuals, you try and justify that to what's happening to thousands of people being wiped out just because they not of the same religion, in my opinion you can stick your homosexual agenda where the sun don't shine, FFS get real....this is not the post to put your everlasting accusations of homophobic fundamentalist view's on this occasion....Islam would wipe you and your's and our's out in a heart beat if we allowed them....
No Christians may not execute them, but they treat them like sub humans and refuse to treat them the same as anyone else, and all because they have a fairy tale book that says something in one little part of it whilst they ignore the other 98%+ of it.
Muslim are you?, trying to justify your fellow Muslims, how proud you must feel when those butchers in Iraq come on utube and show how brave they are, similar to the Gazains in 9/11 dancing at the news of three thousand dead, the sad thing for millions of British people is not one protest by your kind for the actions of ISSL , just moaning at comments others have posted....and all you can come up with is "but they treat them like sub humans and refuse to treat them the same as anyone else" pathetic....
Sorry to burst your little bubble and spoil your rant but I'm not a Muslim or any religion.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Katie-Re-Registered: Tell us where Christians are stoning women for getting raped, Tell us where Christians are executing people for being transgender, homosexuals, Tell us where Christians are burying women and Children alive, Tell us where Christians are beheading Journalists just for being American, Tell us where Christians are Kidnapping women and children and selling them at market, Tell us where Christian fundamentalism is flourishing, Tell us where Christians are crucifying men for not being Christian, Tell us where Christians are executing thousands of men and teenagers just because they not Christians. You want to thank what ever God or Idol you love for being in this Country, all you have to moan about is not being able to get married in Church yet like heterosexuals, you try and justify that to what's happening to thousands of people being wiped out just because they not of the same religion, in my opinion you can stick your homosexual agenda where the sun don't shine, FFS get real....this is not the post to put your everlasting accusations of homophobic fundamentalist view's on this occasion....Islam would wipe you and your's and our's out in a heart beat if we allowed them....[/p][/quote]No Christians may not execute them, but they treat them like sub humans and refuse to treat them the same as anyone else, and all because they have a fairy tale book that says something in one little part of it whilst they ignore the other 98%+ of it.[/p][/quote]Muslim are you?, trying to justify your fellow Muslims, how proud you must feel when those butchers in Iraq come on utube and show how brave they are, similar to the Gazains in 9/11 dancing at the news of three thousand dead, the sad thing for millions of British people is not one protest by your kind for the actions of ISSL , just moaning at comments others have posted....and all you can come up with is "but they treat them like sub humans and refuse to treat them the same as anyone else" pathetic....[/p][/quote]Sorry to burst your little bubble and spoil your rant but I'm not a Muslim or any religion. anigel
  • Score: 8

9:32pm Thu 21 Aug 14

welshmen says...

anigel:

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers. it's called Taqiyya anigel....

also
Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same.....
anigel: Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers. it's called Taqiyya anigel.... also Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same..... welshmen
  • Score: 0

9:51pm Thu 21 Aug 14

anigel says...

welshmen wrote:
anigel:

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers. it's called Taqiyya anigel....

also
Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same.....
As I don't trust any religion because as far as I am concerned any adult who believes some invisible friend, companion or god has any control over their life has a mental health problem, you may as well be quoting Star Wars to me, or even Harry Potter, However I think Harry Potter is more believable than any religious text I have ever seen.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: anigel: Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers. it's called Taqiyya anigel.... also Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same.....[/p][/quote]As I don't trust any religion because as far as I am concerned any adult who believes some invisible friend, companion or god has any control over their life has a mental health problem, you may as well be quoting Star Wars to me, or even Harry Potter, However I think Harry Potter is more believable than any religious text I have ever seen. anigel
  • Score: 0

4:00pm Fri 22 Aug 14

coalpicker says...

anigel wrote:
Unfortunately it is our policy in constantly interfering in other countries politics and governments that has caused such widespread hatred of the UK. You don't see Switzerland rushing to invade, and yes that is what you have to call it when you put armed forces in the air and on the ground uninvited , every single country around the globe and you also don't see them being the constant target of religious inspired attacks that you see here. Further rushing to invade more countries is going to do nothing to improve relations and those that are already feeling aggrieved at previous foreign policy will only use further action as yet more justification for taking further action against us.
LET us allow the brain washed lunatics to take over the world then ?Perhaps we should not have gone to the aid of Poland ? then if we had not
we would all be speaking German now with a nice comfortable concentration came on the Celtic Manor golf course ? Reckon you need to get your head out of that eighth century fairy story and face reality . You are not on your own our illustrious PM said yesterday we must try to stop young British people engaging in Terrorism, when he and the rest of the ostriches in the house of thieves and lairs pull their heads out of the sand or the trough they may realise that these young people are not British at all, they never will be ,they are Muslims with a British passport .I ask the question how many of these mental defectives are on benefits and who is collecting those benefits while they are killing raping and piliageing in the mid east ?
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately it is our policy in constantly interfering in other countries politics and governments that has caused such widespread hatred of the UK. You don't see Switzerland rushing to invade, and yes that is what you have to call it when you put armed forces in the air and on the ground uninvited , every single country around the globe and you also don't see them being the constant target of religious inspired attacks that you see here. Further rushing to invade more countries is going to do nothing to improve relations and those that are already feeling aggrieved at previous foreign policy will only use further action as yet more justification for taking further action against us.[/p][/quote]LET us allow the brain washed lunatics to take over the world then ?Perhaps we should not have gone to the aid of Poland ? then if we had not we would all be speaking German now with a nice comfortable concentration came on the Celtic Manor golf course ? Reckon you need to get your head out of that eighth century fairy story and face reality . You are not on your own our illustrious PM said yesterday we must try to stop young British people engaging in Terrorism, when he and the rest of the ostriches in the house of thieves and lairs pull their heads out of the sand or the trough they may realise that these young people are not British at all, they never will be ,they are Muslims with a British passport .I ask the question how many of these mental defectives are on benefits and who is collecting those benefits while they are killing raping and piliageing in the mid east ? coalpicker
  • Score: 4

6:30pm Fri 22 Aug 14

anigel says...

coalpicker wrote:
anigel wrote:
Unfortunately it is our policy in constantly interfering in other countries politics and governments that has caused such widespread hatred of the UK. You don't see Switzerland rushing to invade, and yes that is what you have to call it when you put armed forces in the air and on the ground uninvited , every single country around the globe and you also don't see them being the constant target of religious inspired attacks that you see here. Further rushing to invade more countries is going to do nothing to improve relations and those that are already feeling aggrieved at previous foreign policy will only use further action as yet more justification for taking further action against us.
LET us allow the brain washed lunatics to take over the world then ?Perhaps we should not have gone to the aid of Poland ? then if we had not
we would all be speaking German now with a nice comfortable concentration came on the Celtic Manor golf course ? Reckon you need to get your head out of that eighth century fairy story and face reality . You are not on your own our illustrious PM said yesterday we must try to stop young British people engaging in Terrorism, when he and the rest of the ostriches in the house of thieves and lairs pull their heads out of the sand or the trough they may realise that these young people are not British at all, they never will be ,they are Muslims with a British passport .I ask the question how many of these mental defectives are on benefits and who is collecting those benefits while they are killing raping and piliageing in the mid east ?
I am sure that facts may have a way of passing you by, but just for future reference, we have already tried constantly involving ourselves in the politics of other countries and the news is that it hasn't worked. Doing yet more of the same is not going to have a different result this week. Let some other country be the world policeman for a change, we are a small country with a big debt and it's about time we thought about our own country and our own people for a change.
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately it is our policy in constantly interfering in other countries politics and governments that has caused such widespread hatred of the UK. You don't see Switzerland rushing to invade, and yes that is what you have to call it when you put armed forces in the air and on the ground uninvited , every single country around the globe and you also don't see them being the constant target of religious inspired attacks that you see here. Further rushing to invade more countries is going to do nothing to improve relations and those that are already feeling aggrieved at previous foreign policy will only use further action as yet more justification for taking further action against us.[/p][/quote]LET us allow the brain washed lunatics to take over the world then ?Perhaps we should not have gone to the aid of Poland ? then if we had not we would all be speaking German now with a nice comfortable concentration came on the Celtic Manor golf course ? Reckon you need to get your head out of that eighth century fairy story and face reality . You are not on your own our illustrious PM said yesterday we must try to stop young British people engaging in Terrorism, when he and the rest of the ostriches in the house of thieves and lairs pull their heads out of the sand or the trough they may realise that these young people are not British at all, they never will be ,they are Muslims with a British passport .I ask the question how many of these mental defectives are on benefits and who is collecting those benefits while they are killing raping and piliageing in the mid east ?[/p][/quote]I am sure that facts may have a way of passing you by, but just for future reference, we have already tried constantly involving ourselves in the politics of other countries and the news is that it hasn't worked. Doing yet more of the same is not going to have a different result this week. Let some other country be the world policeman for a change, we are a small country with a big debt and it's about time we thought about our own country and our own people for a change. anigel
  • Score: 3

7:53pm Fri 22 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

Anigel.

You are quite correct in saying that the problem, currently confronting the world, is a product, largely, of foreign interference.

To use an analogy, erroneous in all but one regard, to the rise of National Socialism. What happened in that period, to bring about a situation in which a small group of people, tedious people of questionable sanity, moved from boring the life out of other people in pubs, with their irrational opinions, to taking control of a state, and gaining influence over sections of the populations of other, generally similar, states? Does anyone seriously believe that their particular political message was so seductively appealing that large chunks of the rest of the world’s population found themselves, irresistibly, falling under its spell?

Then, as now, what happened was a consequence of adverse and destructive interference in the natural order of their society and economy, having led to a social vacuum wherein the irrational took on the semblance of order – more than that, it had brought the illusion of collective and individual survival and benefit.

The similarity is that, in those places currently making it into the normally disinterested attention of the western world, those that were of an orderly and reasonable disposition, and would, otherwise, have been in control of those societies, have been eliminated, in the furtherance of foreign interests, or rendered irrelevant in the face of the crisis facing those societies – leaving nothing standing between those of an irrational and destructive social disposition, and the power and control craved by such people everywhere, including upon this island,

The basic reason for the rise, in those states, of those least suitable to govern is the same as that in European states in an earlier age – the rest of the world arranged that there would be nothing to stop them. While how you deal with the resultant situation is up to you, it is not, however, a phenomenon that has magically arisen to assail you, or one for which those with power in the world have no responsibility.
Anigel. You are quite correct in saying that the problem, currently confronting the world, is a product, largely, of foreign interference. To use an analogy, erroneous in all but one regard, to the rise of National Socialism. What happened in that period, to bring about a situation in which a small group of people, tedious people of questionable sanity, moved from boring the life out of other people in pubs, with their irrational opinions, to taking control of a state, and gaining influence over sections of the populations of other, generally similar, states? Does anyone seriously believe that their particular political message was so seductively appealing that large chunks of the rest of the world’s population found themselves, irresistibly, falling under its spell? Then, as now, what happened was a consequence of adverse and destructive interference in the natural order of their society and economy, having led to a social vacuum wherein the irrational took on the semblance of order – more than that, it had brought the illusion of collective and individual survival and benefit. The similarity is that, in those places currently making it into the normally disinterested attention of the western world, those that were of an orderly and reasonable disposition, and would, otherwise, have been in control of those societies, have been eliminated, in the furtherance of foreign interests, or rendered irrelevant in the face of the crisis facing those societies – leaving nothing standing between those of an irrational and destructive social disposition, and the power and control craved by such people everywhere, including upon this island, The basic reason for the rise, in those states, of those least suitable to govern is the same as that in European states in an earlier age – the rest of the world arranged that there would be nothing to stop them. While how you deal with the resultant situation is up to you, it is not, however, a phenomenon that has magically arisen to assail you, or one for which those with power in the world have no responsibility. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: 3

9:15pm Fri 22 Aug 14

varteg1 says...

You are quite correct in saying that the problem, currently confronting the world, is a product, largely, of foreign interference.
So says Watkin...


Wrong when it comes to Islamic matters.

Ever since Mohammad the Muslims have been chomping at the surrounding areas with the express intention of taking those areas over. and suppressing all opposition ton the fundamental tenets of Islam.

As far as 'interfering' in the Arab world, we have done little in that, unless you wish to claim our wars with Islamic hordes ten centuries ago.

The modern problems stem from OIL , most of our (western) dealings with the oil rich states were done in a relatively co operative manner, with treaties and agreements signed with little if any cohersion.
These 'deals' have given immense wealth into the hands of relatively primitive people who were slaughtering one another in the name of Islam long before we signed trade deals with them,

They have now turned that wealth against us.

The blame lies mainly ion the USA for usurping our British influences in the middle east, by doing underhanded deals with potentates who finally managed to unite the Arabian peninsular by force of arms , and who initially leant on Britain, but were 'persuaded' to switch allegiance
to a more powerful ally,
WE and the septics were not responsible for creating poverty status on the middle east, those folk managed that all by themselves by failing to cast the wealth across their own people ,

IN the case of Pakistan and Bangladesh, yes we did cause much of their problems, but had they taken the same line as India after partition, and left religion out of their political arena, they too would be on the same level as India is today, instead of which they have allowed Islamic fundamentalism to rule them,
It is not correct to blame the west for the situation in the middle east, unless you think we did wrong in paying them too much of their OIL, and allowing OPEC to dictate terms to us, that in my view is the cause, we allowed them to think big, it is now time to knock their confidence and take back that which we doled out, at massive expense to our own community.

I have been warning for twenty years about the intentions of Islam in regards our own western status, I knew in the '80s there were guerrilla training camps in the deserts of Saudi Arabia, but had no means to convince the people that mattered, now, by ignoring the warnings delivered by many who spent time over there and were also aware, the chickens are coming home to roost on our streets.

We have had waves of immigrants in to our nations for centuries, many who came for economic reasons, but none before the current tranche came with an agenda to infiltrate, and usurp our sovereignty in our own land.

The earlier immigrants came from deprivation and poverty often caused by our exploitative endeavours in their lands, this lot come from nowhere near the same, most appear to rely on fund masters who use the money we pay them for their OIL to back their warring tactics. stop pussyfooting about and get a real movement going to eradicate this atrocious cult, or at least send it back into the deserts that they have sprung from.
You are quite correct in saying that the problem, currently confronting the world, is a product, largely, of foreign interference. So says Watkin... Wrong when it comes to Islamic matters. Ever since Mohammad the Muslims have been chomping at the surrounding areas with the express intention of taking those areas over. and suppressing all opposition ton the fundamental tenets of Islam. As far as 'interfering' in the Arab world, we have done little in that, unless you wish to claim our wars with Islamic hordes ten centuries ago. The modern problems stem from OIL , most of our (western) dealings with the oil rich states were done in a relatively co operative manner, with treaties and agreements signed with little if any cohersion. These 'deals' have given immense wealth into the hands of relatively primitive people who were slaughtering one another in the name of Islam long before we signed trade deals with them, They have now turned that wealth against us. The blame lies mainly ion the USA for usurping our British influences in the middle east, by doing underhanded deals with potentates who finally managed to unite the Arabian peninsular by force of arms , and who initially leant on Britain, but were 'persuaded' to switch allegiance to a more powerful ally, WE and the septics were not responsible for creating poverty status on the middle east, those folk managed that all by themselves by failing to cast the wealth across their own people , IN the case of Pakistan and Bangladesh, yes we did cause much of their problems, but had they taken the same line as India after partition, and left religion out of their political arena, they too would be on the same level as India is today, instead of which they have allowed Islamic fundamentalism to rule them, It is not correct to blame the west for the situation in the middle east, unless you think we did wrong in paying them too much of their OIL, and allowing OPEC to dictate terms to us, that in my view is the cause, we allowed them to think big, it is now time to knock their confidence and take back that which we doled out, at massive expense to our own community. I have been warning for twenty years about the intentions of Islam in regards our own western status, I knew in the '80s there were guerrilla training camps in the deserts of Saudi Arabia, but had no means to convince the people that mattered, now, by ignoring the warnings delivered by many who spent time over there and were also aware, the chickens are coming home to roost on our streets. We have had waves of immigrants in to our nations for centuries, many who came for economic reasons, but none before the current tranche came with an agenda to infiltrate, and usurp our sovereignty in our own land. The earlier immigrants came from deprivation and poverty often caused by our exploitative endeavours in their lands, this lot come from nowhere near the same, most appear to rely on fund masters who use the money we pay them for their OIL to back their warring tactics. stop pussyfooting about and get a real movement going to eradicate this atrocious cult, or at least send it back into the deserts that they have sprung from. varteg1
  • Score: 0

9:39pm Fri 22 Aug 14

welshmen says...

h.watcyn023@btintern
et.com
wrote:
Anigel.

You are quite correct in saying that the problem, currently confronting the world, is a product, largely, of foreign interference.

To use an analogy, erroneous in all but one regard, to the rise of National Socialism. What happened in that period, to bring about a situation in which a small group of people, tedious people of questionable sanity, moved from boring the life out of other people in pubs, with their irrational opinions, to taking control of a state, and gaining influence over sections of the populations of other, generally similar, states? Does anyone seriously believe that their particular political message was so seductively appealing that large chunks of the rest of the world’s population found themselves, irresistibly, falling under its spell?

Then, as now, what happened was a consequence of adverse and destructive interference in the natural order of their society and economy, having led to a social vacuum wherein the irrational took on the semblance of order – more than that, it had brought the illusion of collective and individual survival and benefit.

The similarity is that, in those places currently making it into the normally disinterested attention of the western world, those that were of an orderly and reasonable disposition, and would, otherwise, have been in control of those societies, have been eliminated, in the furtherance of foreign interests, or rendered irrelevant in the face of the crisis facing those societies – leaving nothing standing between those of an irrational and destructive social disposition, and the power and control craved by such people everywhere, including upon this island,

The basic reason for the rise, in those states, of those least suitable to govern is the same as that in European states in an earlier age – the rest of the world arranged that there would be nothing to stop them. While how you deal with the resultant situation is up to you, it is not, however, a phenomenon that has magically arisen to assail you, or one for which those with power in the world have no responsibility.
Would you happen to have an instruction manual, so us mere mortals can get some idea of what your posts are about....
[quote][p][bold]h.watcyn023@btintern et.com[/bold] wrote: Anigel. You are quite correct in saying that the problem, currently confronting the world, is a product, largely, of foreign interference. To use an analogy, erroneous in all but one regard, to the rise of National Socialism. What happened in that period, to bring about a situation in which a small group of people, tedious people of questionable sanity, moved from boring the life out of other people in pubs, with their irrational opinions, to taking control of a state, and gaining influence over sections of the populations of other, generally similar, states? Does anyone seriously believe that their particular political message was so seductively appealing that large chunks of the rest of the world’s population found themselves, irresistibly, falling under its spell? Then, as now, what happened was a consequence of adverse and destructive interference in the natural order of their society and economy, having led to a social vacuum wherein the irrational took on the semblance of order – more than that, it had brought the illusion of collective and individual survival and benefit. The similarity is that, in those places currently making it into the normally disinterested attention of the western world, those that were of an orderly and reasonable disposition, and would, otherwise, have been in control of those societies, have been eliminated, in the furtherance of foreign interests, or rendered irrelevant in the face of the crisis facing those societies – leaving nothing standing between those of an irrational and destructive social disposition, and the power and control craved by such people everywhere, including upon this island, The basic reason for the rise, in those states, of those least suitable to govern is the same as that in European states in an earlier age – the rest of the world arranged that there would be nothing to stop them. While how you deal with the resultant situation is up to you, it is not, however, a phenomenon that has magically arisen to assail you, or one for which those with power in the world have no responsibility.[/p][/quote]Would you happen to have an instruction manual, so us mere mortals can get some idea of what your posts are about.... welshmen
  • Score: 5

9:59pm Fri 22 Aug 14

h.watcyn023@btinternet.com says...

Whatever.
Whatever. h.watcyn023@btinternet.com
  • Score: -6

11:25am Mon 25 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

Cameron wants to remove the statehood of Muslims that go out to fight elsewhere, how can he do that ? If they are born in the UK they are British anyway, so no-one else is going to want them. We arrest them on return, then what, the human rights people set them free again. Only those with a dual nationality can be really challenged, again once known as terrorists who else would want them. ? Arresting them and throwing away the key doesn't work now, jails become breeding grounds of hate too.
Cameron wants to remove the statehood of Muslims that go out to fight elsewhere, how can he do that ? If they are born in the UK they are British anyway, so no-one else is going to want them. We arrest them on return, then what, the human rights people set them free again. Only those with a dual nationality can be really challenged, again once known as terrorists who else would want them. ? Arresting them and throwing away the key doesn't work now, jails become breeding grounds of hate too. Mervyn James
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2:10pm Mon 25 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Take their Statehood/ British Citizenship away, take them back to where they fought for their sky god, exit them through the rear door of a C31 with or without a parachute....with their families....
Take their Statehood/ British Citizenship away, take them back to where they fought for their sky god, exit them through the rear door of a C31 with or without a parachute....with their families.... welshmen
  • Score: 4

10:06am Tue 26 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

Then, you are aiding ISIS, by sending them more fighters to create havoc. For all we know 100s of UK Muslims would que up to be 'repatriated' to their 'caliphate'. And, do you think once they have created one in Iraq/Syria, they will stop there ? The only way would be to prevent them coming back, how do you do that ? You have to know WHO they are, and WHAT methods they are using to return. We won't get cooperation from other countries, because they don't want them either. It is already admitted we cannot police air, or sea ports. Maybe we can set time limits on people leaving the UK, more than a month or so, they cannot come back !
Then, you are aiding ISIS, by sending them more fighters to create havoc. For all we know 100s of UK Muslims would que up to be 'repatriated' to their 'caliphate'. And, do you think once they have created one in Iraq/Syria, they will stop there ? The only way would be to prevent them coming back, how do you do that ? You have to know WHO they are, and WHAT methods they are using to return. We won't get cooperation from other countries, because they don't want them either. It is already admitted we cannot police air, or sea ports. Maybe we can set time limits on people leaving the UK, more than a month or so, they cannot come back ! Mervyn James
  • Score: 1

12:45pm Tue 26 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Hopefully all Muslims from our Country could be voluntary repatriated with their Islamic faith to an Islamic state of their choice, for now all we are doing is putting off the obvious, the rise of Islamist's here are matching Sweden and other EU Countries, you wont appease Islam, they wont stop until they get what they wont, the so called Moderate Muslims don't exist, as you see in Gaza when anyone disagree's with Hamas they executed them, we can dilly around for years, all that will do is make it harder to tackle the problem head on, I am sure Ryan Air and Easyjet could accommodate them to evacuate the UK, this might seem rash at least, but what's the alternative, they are taught from birth to hate the west and it's Culture, the Nazi's started showing they were to be feared before they took control, when there's more of their young than ours then that's game over...
Hopefully all Muslims from our Country could be voluntary repatriated with their Islamic faith to an Islamic state of their choice, for now all we are doing is putting off the obvious, the rise of Islamist's here are matching Sweden and other EU Countries, you wont appease Islam, they wont stop until they get what they wont, the so called Moderate Muslims don't exist, as you see in Gaza when anyone disagree's with Hamas they executed them, we can dilly around for years, all that will do is make it harder to tackle the problem head on, I am sure Ryan Air and Easyjet could accommodate them to evacuate the UK, this might seem rash at least, but what's the alternative, they are taught from birth to hate the west and it's Culture, the Nazi's started showing they were to be feared before they took control, when there's more of their young than ours then that's game over... welshmen
  • Score: 4

5:16pm Tue 26 Aug 14

coalpicker says...

TODAYS news of the politically correct coverup of paedophilia sex crime by ASIANS in the north of England over many years should make the PC brigade who contribute to these pages hang their heads in shame. not only are we breeding religious maniacs, we are rapidly taking on the mantle of sexual abuse that is synonymous with India and Pakistan,
When are we going to deliver our nation from this plague that is rotting it from the inside ?
TODAYS news of the politically correct coverup of paedophilia sex crime by ASIANS in the north of England over many years should make the PC brigade who contribute to these pages hang their heads in shame. not only are we breeding religious maniacs, we are rapidly taking on the mantle of sexual abuse that is synonymous with India and Pakistan, When are we going to deliver our nation from this plague that is rotting it from the inside ? coalpicker
  • Score: 3

6:52pm Tue 26 Aug 14

welshmen says...

I remember when I posted some of this Muslim Grooming Gang information and accusations a year or so ago and got hammered by the PC leftist posters on here, who liked to call me a Racist Bigoted Islamophobe, well you were not on your own the Daily Mail stopped me posting about the Pakistani Sexual Grooming Gangs too, but in the end Nick Griffin was found to be correct in his accusations against these evil sexual perpetrators, all though not all Pakistani men but very near all were of that origin and also Muslim's..

I pasted this from the British National Parties Web Site:
Quote:
An independent enquiry has revealed the shocking extent of the abuse of more than 1,400 children in Rotherham alone, mostly by men of
‘Pakistani heritage’.
The enquiry forced on the authorities by a three-year Protect Children campaign run by the BNP has revealed... exactly what the BNP was warning people about all these years!
Research by BNP super-activist for Rotherham, Marlene Guest, provided the independent team with a wealth of material proving mass-scale abuse of children in the area.
The BNP has been warning of the threat to children by organised groups from the Muslim community across the country who have been preying on, raping and systematically abusing children form other communities.
Despite the BNP being proved time and time again to be right, the authorities have consistently done all they can to silence and persecute BNP spokesmen and women.
In 2003, the authorities, with help from the BBC, even tried to jail ex-BNP Chairman Nick Griffin for 7 years for warning people about it. un-quote....

We all like to point the finger, as others do when the general public are fed lies about the BNP, but this and other stories are now becoming to light and are not lies, we get fooled by Media who have another agenda for the owners to make sure the truth tellers are silenced,1400 young girls sexually abused since Nick Griffin warned the Police,lets hope that this is not repeated, with the Yewtree ongoing inquiry, how far will Government let it progress....
I remember when I posted some of this Muslim Grooming Gang information and accusations a year or so ago and got hammered by the PC leftist posters on here, who liked to call me a Racist Bigoted Islamophobe, well you were not on your own the Daily Mail stopped me posting about the Pakistani Sexual Grooming Gangs too, but in the end Nick Griffin was found to be correct in his accusations against these evil sexual perpetrators, all though not all Pakistani men but very near all were of that origin and also Muslim's.. I pasted this from the British National Parties Web Site: Quote: An independent enquiry has revealed the shocking extent of the abuse of more than 1,400 children in Rotherham alone, mostly by men of ‘Pakistani heritage’. The enquiry forced on the authorities by a three-year Protect Children campaign run by the BNP has revealed... exactly what the BNP was warning people about all these years! Research by BNP super-activist for Rotherham, Marlene Guest, provided the independent team with a wealth of material proving mass-scale abuse of children in the area. The BNP has been warning of the threat to children by organised groups from the Muslim community across the country who have been preying on, raping and systematically abusing children form other communities. Despite the BNP being proved time and time again to be right, the authorities have consistently done all they can to silence and persecute BNP spokesmen and women. In 2003, the authorities, with help from the BBC, even tried to jail ex-BNP Chairman Nick Griffin for 7 years for warning people about it. un-quote.... We all like to point the finger, as others do when the general public are fed lies about the BNP, but this and other stories are now becoming to light and are not lies, we get fooled by Media who have another agenda for the owners to make sure the truth tellers are silenced,1400 young girls sexually abused since Nick Griffin warned the Police,lets hope that this is not repeated, with the Yewtree ongoing inquiry, how far will Government let it progress.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Tue 26 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Another false-hood:
Over 1,500 'British' Muslims have travelled to Iraq to fight for Islamist savages ISIS, according to Labour Party MP Khalid Mahmood.

A Ministry of Defence memo dated January 2014, recorded just 560 Muslims fighting for, and serving in the British army.

This means that more than twice the amount of 'British' Muslims are fighting for an anti-British foreign terror organisation, rabidly hostile to the British people and committed to the destruction of Britain.
What does that say about the priorities of ‘British’ Muslims? see where we are going with this, and not one family member or Muslim congregation of their local Barracks (Mosque) have told the Police, only the MP found out and too late....
Another false-hood: Over 1,500 'British' Muslims have travelled to Iraq to fight for Islamist savages ISIS, according to Labour Party MP Khalid Mahmood. A Ministry of Defence memo dated January 2014, recorded just 560 Muslims fighting for, and serving in the British army. This means that more than twice the amount of 'British' Muslims are fighting for an anti-British foreign terror organisation, rabidly hostile to the British people and committed to the destruction of Britain. What does that say about the priorities of ‘British’ Muslims? see where we are going with this, and not one family member or Muslim congregation of their local Barracks (Mosque) have told the Police, only the MP found out and too late.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

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