Don't create gipsy sites

YOUR column “Our Say” was interesting in regard to the subject of gipsy sites, but the final paragraph gives cause for concern. Why, at some point, does a decision have to be made?

A decision appears to me to have been made during the various consultation periods in a truly democratic way which is that the people of Newport do not wish to have these so-called gipsy sites within the city limits. Your phrase about a decision smacks of the EU and their method of consultation, keep voting until you get it right our way. I use the term “so-called” because to describe these sites as for gipsies is incorrect.

They are not for gipsies in the true sense of the word.

The sites are for a group of people who only have themselves to blame for the hostility demonstrated by the results of the various consultation periods. We in Newport have been subjected to a series of illegal sites that, when the travellers have left and moved to another illegal site, the filth, rubbish and damage has to be seen to be believed and costs the taxpayer large sums of money to clear up.

It is time the politicians came to their senses and instead of trying to foist these sites onto an unwilling public should be fighting to protect their voters even to the extent of refusing to create sites. Allow these people to have a site no matter how small and that site will be illegally expanded as shown at various times in the media all over the country.

Geoffrey Robinson, Allt-Yr-Yn View, Newport

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5:13pm Thu 4 Oct 12

On the inside says...

You lose your own point in what you say. The only way to deal with illegal sites is to provide legal ones. They have to go somewhere!
You lose your own point in what you say. The only way to deal with illegal sites is to provide legal ones. They have to go somewhere! On the inside

9:33pm Thu 4 Oct 12

Riley2012 says...

Yes straight back to Ireland, all they are good for is to con and rob people, don't pay tax, you take if you could keep every pound you make in cash without anybody taking duties you could afford nice new vehicle's, makes you think who the sucker's are????
Yes straight back to Ireland, all they are good for is to con and rob people, don't pay tax, you take if you could keep every pound you make in cash without anybody taking duties you could afford nice new vehicle's, makes you think who the sucker's are???? Riley2012

9:14pm Fri 5 Oct 12

Radio Wales says...

Why, at some point, does a decision have to be made? is asked.
Because Newport City's Local Development Plan will not be approved by Welsh Government until the required allocation of sites is made and accepted.
For once it's not really the councils fault that something has to be done.
The real answer is nobody wants any sites anywhere near them and the gypsy community has no one but themselves to blame for that.
Why, at some point, does a decision have to be made? is asked. Because Newport City's Local Development Plan will not be approved by Welsh Government until the required allocation of sites is made and accepted. For once it's not really the councils fault that something has to be done. The real answer is nobody wants any sites anywhere near them and the gypsy community has no one but themselves to blame for that. Radio Wales

3:40pm Sat 6 Oct 12

Llanmartinangel says...

It's an interesting take on democracy though isn't it. Because everyone knows what a traveller site, official or otherwise is like, no one wants them nearby or wants to pay for them through their hard earned taxes. And yet, both the Assembly and NCC, both claiming to hold the democratic high ground feel they can ignore that view with impunity. How strange that in hard economic times, this 'priority' transcends all others.
It's an interesting take on democracy though isn't it. Because everyone knows what a traveller site, official or otherwise is like, no one wants them nearby or wants to pay for them through their hard earned taxes. And yet, both the Assembly and NCC, both claiming to hold the democratic high ground feel they can ignore that view with impunity. How strange that in hard economic times, this 'priority' transcends all others. Llanmartinangel

7:01pm Sat 6 Oct 12

Woodgnome says...

Those that want sites should have them in their community then - somewhere very near Insider and Radio Wales might be fitting!! I think you will find that your community objects very strongly indeed.
Those that want sites should have them in their community then - somewhere very near Insider and Radio Wales might be fitting!! I think you will find that your community objects very strongly indeed. Woodgnome

7:48pm Sun 7 Oct 12

Radio Wales says...

Thank you Woodgnome. I'm am impressed by your opinion that in speaking the truth you feel I need to be punished.
True democracy in action there - if indeed you understood what I actually said. If you didn't, then you should recognise that I meant pretty much the same as Llanmartinangel said.
Thank you Woodgnome. I'm am impressed by your opinion that in speaking the truth you feel I need to be punished. True democracy in action there - if indeed you understood what I actually said. If you didn't, then you should recognise that I meant pretty much the same as Llanmartinangel said. Radio Wales

9:46am Mon 8 Oct 12

Woodgnome says...

Come, come Radio Wales! Who mentioned punishment - you can't have read or understood my point? One has to face reality sometime and decisions like the one under discussion have consequences.
Come, come Radio Wales! Who mentioned punishment - you can't have read or understood my point? One has to face reality sometime and decisions like the one under discussion have consequences. Woodgnome

11:31am Mon 8 Oct 12

pinpong says...

On the inside wrote:
You lose your own point in what you say. The only way to deal with illegal sites is to provide legal ones. They have to go somewhere!
Your right about that on the inside. However to me it looks like only tory wards are suitable.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: You lose your own point in what you say. The only way to deal with illegal sites is to provide legal ones. They have to go somewhere![/p][/quote]Your right about that on the inside. However to me it looks like only tory wards are suitable. pinpong

1:07pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Radio Wales says...

Dear Woodgnome.
You really must stand by your comments.
"Somewhere near Insider or Radio Wales" you wrote.
Simply because I recognise the problem does not mean I should automatically be chosen to suffer the consequences for you and everyone else.

FYI, I have had my fill over the years of 'neighbours' that leave me with their clean-up duties after they leave.
Dear Woodgnome. You really must stand by your comments. "Somewhere near Insider or Radio Wales" you wrote. Simply because I recognise the problem does not mean I should automatically be chosen to suffer the consequences for you and everyone else. FYI, I have had my fill over the years of 'neighbours' that leave me with their clean-up duties after they leave. Radio Wales

7:22pm Mon 8 Oct 12

Woodgnome says...

Radio Wales wrote:
Why, at some point, does a decision have to be made? is asked.
Because Newport City's Local Development Plan will not be approved by Welsh Government until the required allocation of sites is made and accepted.
For once it's not really the councils fault that something has to be done.
The real answer is nobody wants any sites anywhere near them and the gypsy community has no one but themselves to blame for that.
Radio - you said ".....Newport City's Local Development Plan will not be approved by Welsh Government until the required allocation of sites is made and accepted.
For once it's not really the councils fault that something has to be done".
I for one am not going to be an apologist or justify NCC's actions - if their proposals are not fair they should make a stand.
[quote][p][bold]Radio Wales[/bold] wrote: Why, at some point, does a decision have to be made? is asked. Because Newport City's Local Development Plan will not be approved by Welsh Government until the required allocation of sites is made and accepted. For once it's not really the councils fault that something has to be done. The real answer is nobody wants any sites anywhere near them and the gypsy community has no one but themselves to blame for that.[/p][/quote]Radio - you said ".....Newport City's Local Development Plan will not be approved by Welsh Government until the required allocation of sites is made and accepted. For once it's not really the councils fault that something has to be done". I for one am not going to be an apologist or justify NCC's actions - if their proposals are not fair they should make a stand. Woodgnome

5:42am Thu 25 Oct 12

Mudwolf says...

It is also true that at heart everybody is a nimby, nobody wants a new railway near them, a prison, a nuclear power station,an airport, anything that creates parking problems and by the sounds of it a gypsy site. However, all of these things have to go somewhere! If not in my back yard then someone else's, but they won't want it either in their back yard. Surely it's better to accept that Newport will get one somewhere and debate the best site for this rather than fight an unwinable battle to not have a gypsy site in Newport at all.
It is also true that at heart everybody is a nimby, nobody wants a new railway near them, a prison, a nuclear power station,an airport, anything that creates parking problems and by the sounds of it a gypsy site. However, all of these things have to go somewhere! If not in my back yard then someone else's, but they won't want it either in their back yard. Surely it's better to accept that Newport will get one somewhere and debate the best site for this rather than fight an unwinable battle to not have a gypsy site in Newport at all. Mudwolf

4:10pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Radio Wales says...

Mudwolf. Exactly! I'm a self-confessed NIMBY but I'm also a realist and appreciate that in these overcrowded isles somebody is going to have to put up with things they would rather not have - that applies just as equally to Newport City Council as it does to me and you.
The best we can hope for, is to share the bad news around fairly so that no one gets lumbered with more than their fair share - or less than their fair share either, which is why I am upset about the rather obvious political bias that has been shown by city councillors of all colours in their blatant attempts to shove their problems onto the oppositions patches.
Mudwolf. Exactly! I'm a self-confessed NIMBY but I'm also a realist and appreciate that in these overcrowded isles somebody is going to have to put up with things they would rather not have - that applies just as equally to Newport City Council as it does to me and you. The best we can hope for, is to share the bad news around fairly so that no one gets lumbered with more than their fair share - or less than their fair share either, which is why I am upset about the rather obvious political bias that has been shown by city councillors of all colours in their blatant attempts to shove their problems onto the oppositions patches. Radio Wales

7:49am Sat 27 Oct 12

Mudwolf says...

Radio, We all are or at least have NIMBY tendencies. I suggest they develop one site in Ringland and one in Allt-yr-yn and then maybe one in Duffryn and one in Caerleon. This will be fair but nobody will be happy.
Radio, We all are or at least have NIMBY tendencies. I suggest they develop one site in Ringland and one in Allt-yr-yn and then maybe one in Duffryn and one in Caerleon. This will be fair but nobody will be happy. Mudwolf

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