NEWPORT PARKING: National business forum calls for all charges to be scrapped

South Wales Argus: TRADERS NEED HELP: Charging people to come into Newport city centre is not the best way to grow footfall says a national report TRADERS NEED HELP: Charging people to come into Newport city centre is not the best way to grow footfall says a national report

A NATIONAL business lobby has urged local councils to help businesses by scrapping car-parking charges for 2013.

It comes as our campaign to Keep City Parking Free moves into its fourth week and continues to urge Newport City Council to reverse its decision to scrap two hours’ free parking at its city centre car parks.

The Forum of Private Business has released the report to try to put pressure on local authorities as they decide on their budgets for 2013-14.

The forum’s head of policy, Alex Jackman, said: “There are so many good reasons why all councils should be considering something along these lines, but first and foremost would be to help retailers through another tough trading year.

“High streets across the country are under threat and have been for many years now from the likes of out-of-town shopping centres, where parking is universally free.

“Then there’s the internet and the rise of e-tailers taking an increasingly bigger slice of a shrinking consumer pie.

“It doesn’t take a genius to work out that councils charging people ever more for the privilege of coming into their town centres to spend their hard-earned cash is not the best plan to grow footfall.

“Set it against a backdrop of spiralling motoring costs and it’s a recipe for disaster.”

Mr Jackman continued: “If councils want to see fewer empty properties blighting their high streets, then axing car-parking charges is something they must look at.

“ It’s no longer acceptable to just offer free parking at Christmas to help traders during the festive period, a tactic in itself which shows councils do understand the link between free parking and increased trade.

“If councils want thriving town centres with improved occupancy levels then they need to take drastic action without delay.”

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2:32pm Mon 24 Dec 12

Mr Angry says...

I'm sorry but I can't agree. Free parking will leave quite a hole in the Councils coffers, who is going to make up for that lost revenue ?

I'm a non-driver, why should my council tax go up so other people can park their cars ?

All these people who want free parking, tell me how will you replace the funds for the Council without increases in Council tax, cuts to services or job losses ?
I'm sorry but I can't agree. Free parking will leave quite a hole in the Councils coffers, who is going to make up for that lost revenue ? I'm a non-driver, why should my council tax go up so other people can park their cars ? All these people who want free parking, tell me how will you replace the funds for the Council without increases in Council tax, cuts to services or job losses ? Mr Angry

3:36pm Mon 24 Dec 12

Radio Wales says...

That is not a valid argument. Why should I pay for education when I have no kids? I never see a policeman from one month to the next, Why should I pay for them? Social workers, Libraries... Etc. Ad finitum.
The point is, in helping the businesses to generate some turnover they can then pay their share of rates and taxes. Otherwise we will end up paying it for them - but with nothing to show for it.
But then, who cares eh? Not our problem!
That is not a valid argument. Why should I pay for education when I have no kids? I never see a policeman from one month to the next, Why should I pay for them? Social workers, Libraries... Etc. Ad finitum. The point is, in helping the businesses to generate some turnover they can then pay their share of rates and taxes. Otherwise we will end up paying it for them - but with nothing to show for it. But then, who cares eh? Not our problem! Radio Wales

3:50pm Mon 24 Dec 12

portforever says...

i dont care if its free or a fiver per hour there aint nothin worth coming to newport for , as long as shopping in concerned.good if you want to get xxxxfaced and behave like a animal while putting a load of marching powder up your hooter..
i dont care if its free or a fiver per hour there aint nothin worth coming to newport for , as long as shopping in concerned.good if you want to get xxxxfaced and behave like a animal while putting a load of marching powder up your hooter.. portforever

5:06pm Mon 24 Dec 12

areyour4real says...

Radio Wales wrote:
That is not a valid argument. Why should I pay for education when I have no kids? I never see a policeman from one month to the next, Why should I pay for them? Social workers, Libraries... Etc. Ad finitum.
The point is, in helping the businesses to generate some turnover they can then pay their share of rates and taxes. Otherwise we will end up paying it for them - but with nothing to show for it.
But then, who cares eh? Not our problem!
I'm not having a go and I resect everyones opinion, ok?

The reason we pay tax to fund schools etc, is so that we can live in a society where we feel safer and everyone has a chance.
If you didn't help fund things like schools and social services then this country would be far far worse off. Think about it for a second. You might not feel like you have value for money but take a look at what is going on in places like Mexico.

As for free parking, you can park in Newport for 5 hours free! The traders in the market say trade is down on last year.

So it's clear that free parking isn't affecting their business at all. It's more likely the negativity stirred up by the SWA as everyone seems to think Newport is now closed.

Why should we pay for others to park their cars?

Happy Christmas!
[quote][p][bold]Radio Wales[/bold] wrote: That is not a valid argument. Why should I pay for education when I have no kids? I never see a policeman from one month to the next, Why should I pay for them? Social workers, Libraries... Etc. Ad finitum. The point is, in helping the businesses to generate some turnover they can then pay their share of rates and taxes. Otherwise we will end up paying it for them - but with nothing to show for it. But then, who cares eh? Not our problem![/p][/quote]I'm not having a go and I resect everyones opinion, ok? The reason we pay tax to fund schools etc, is so that we can live in a society where we feel safer and everyone has a chance. If you didn't help fund things like schools and social services then this country would be far far worse off. Think about it for a second. You might not feel like you have value for money but take a look at what is going on in places like Mexico. As for free parking, you can park in Newport for 5 hours free! The traders in the market say trade is down on last year. So it's clear that free parking isn't affecting their business at all. It's more likely the negativity stirred up by the SWA as everyone seems to think Newport is now closed. Why should we pay for others to park their cars? Happy Christmas! areyour4real

5:07pm Mon 24 Dec 12

Bobevans says...

Why should the WElsh taxpayers subsidies Free parking in Newport.

The shopkeepers moan about the Free Parking at out of town retail Parks but that Parking is not Free the Shops pay for it so why are the shops in Newport not paying to provide Free Parking

There is a slight difference with the Parking in Newport in that it can be used by other than shoppers so the shops need to organise a voucher scheme so that shopper can get Free Parking.

THe shops in Newport do little to help themselves. In most cases the selection of goods is poor as is the service.

Look at the Market in Newport tatty and run down stalls and environment. It is hardly attractive. Why would anyone want to shop in there?
Why should the WElsh taxpayers subsidies Free parking in Newport. The shopkeepers moan about the Free Parking at out of town retail Parks but that Parking is not Free the Shops pay for it so why are the shops in Newport not paying to provide Free Parking There is a slight difference with the Parking in Newport in that it can be used by other than shoppers so the shops need to organise a voucher scheme so that shopper can get Free Parking. THe shops in Newport do little to help themselves. In most cases the selection of goods is poor as is the service. Look at the Market in Newport tatty and run down stalls and environment. It is hardly attractive. Why would anyone want to shop in there? Bobevans

11:15pm Mon 24 Dec 12

Lliswerry Man says...

Mr Angry wrote:
I'm sorry but I can't agree. Free parking will leave quite a hole in the Councils coffers, who is going to make up for that lost revenue ?

I'm a non-driver, why should my council tax go up so other people can park their cars ?

All these people who want free parking, tell me how will you replace the funds for the Council without increases in Council tax, cuts to services or job losses ?
Mr Angry,


It is pretty obvious from your posts, you do not own a company and have no idea how they operate.

Where does it state YOUR council tax will have to go up?

Get real man... IF free parking was introduced as it is in Cwmbran and OTHER towns and cities, MORE retailers ( employers !!! ) will open up shop... and stop the decline of city centres.... bringing with them, MORE rates for the Local Councils. And even More JOBS.

But you carry on with "I dont own a car crusade" ... as all you will have left in town is a bus to take you to a cafe, secondhand shop and pub.. if thats your idea of a city centre your welcome to it.

You can tell the ages of some of the people on here, purely by their odd theories... far removed from reality.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry but I can't agree. Free parking will leave quite a hole in the Councils coffers, who is going to make up for that lost revenue ? I'm a non-driver, why should my council tax go up so other people can park their cars ? All these people who want free parking, tell me how will you replace the funds for the Council without increases in Council tax, cuts to services or job losses ?[/p][/quote]Mr Angry, It is pretty obvious from your posts, you do not own a company and have no idea how they operate. Where does it state YOUR council tax will have to go up? Get real man... IF free parking was introduced as it is in Cwmbran and OTHER towns and cities, MORE retailers ( employers !!! ) will open up shop... and stop the decline of city centres.... bringing with them, MORE rates for the Local Councils. And even More JOBS. But you carry on with "I dont own a car crusade" ... as all you will have left in town is a bus to take you to a cafe, secondhand shop and pub.. if thats your idea of a city centre your welcome to it. You can tell the ages of some of the people on here, purely by their odd theories... far removed from reality. Lliswerry Man

11:28am Wed 26 Dec 12

Howie' says...

Lliswerry Man wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
I'm sorry but I can't agree. Free parking will leave quite a hole in the Councils coffers, who is going to make up for that lost revenue ?

I'm a non-driver, why should my council tax go up so other people can park their cars ?

All these people who want free parking, tell me how will you replace the funds for the Council without increases in Council tax, cuts to services or job losses ?
Mr Angry,


It is pretty obvious from your posts, you do not own a company and have no idea how they operate.

Where does it state YOUR council tax will have to go up?

Get real man... IF free parking was introduced as it is in Cwmbran and OTHER towns and cities, MORE retailers ( employers !!! ) will open up shop... and stop the decline of city centres.... bringing with them, MORE rates for the Local Councils. And even More JOBS.

But you carry on with "I dont own a car crusade" ... as all you will have left in town is a bus to take you to a cafe, secondhand shop and pub.. if thats your idea of a city centre your welcome to it.

You can tell the ages of some of the people on here, purely by their odd theories... far removed from reality.
Cwmbran parking is free for shoppers because the stores pay for it and the charges are passed on to the customer, so in one way or another you are paying. Parking costs money and there is no such thing as a free lunch, if you were in business surely you would know that. Something else most people who own Company's would know is that if you are on a tight budget and you lose £850k of income it has to be made up and in the case of the Council that will either be by job losses, cuts in services or increases in Council Tax. The traders are reporting footfall is down over the year so free parking has not stemmed the fall. Business rates go to the Welsh Assembly NOT the local Council. No one including the SWA has given a definitive answer as to where the shortfall in the Councils income is going to come from if free parking is extended.
I am also interested in your claim that there is free Council controlled parking in other towns and City's, name them, please? I certainly don't know of any others.
[quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry but I can't agree. Free parking will leave quite a hole in the Councils coffers, who is going to make up for that lost revenue ? I'm a non-driver, why should my council tax go up so other people can park their cars ? All these people who want free parking, tell me how will you replace the funds for the Council without increases in Council tax, cuts to services or job losses ?[/p][/quote]Mr Angry, It is pretty obvious from your posts, you do not own a company and have no idea how they operate. Where does it state YOUR council tax will have to go up? Get real man... IF free parking was introduced as it is in Cwmbran and OTHER towns and cities, MORE retailers ( employers !!! ) will open up shop... and stop the decline of city centres.... bringing with them, MORE rates for the Local Councils. And even More JOBS. But you carry on with "I dont own a car crusade" ... as all you will have left in town is a bus to take you to a cafe, secondhand shop and pub.. if thats your idea of a city centre your welcome to it. You can tell the ages of some of the people on here, purely by their odd theories... far removed from reality.[/p][/quote]Cwmbran parking is free for shoppers because the stores pay for it and the charges are passed on to the customer, so in one way or another you are paying. Parking costs money and there is no such thing as a free lunch, if you were in business surely you would know that. Something else most people who own Company's would know is that if you are on a tight budget and you lose £850k of income it has to be made up and in the case of the Council that will either be by job losses, cuts in services or increases in Council Tax. The traders are reporting footfall is down over the year so free parking has not stemmed the fall. Business rates go to the Welsh Assembly NOT the local Council. No one including the SWA has given a definitive answer as to where the shortfall in the Councils income is going to come from if free parking is extended. I am also interested in your claim that there is free Council controlled parking in other towns and City's, name them, please? I certainly don't know of any others. Howie'

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