Ospreys win battle of mud as Dragons are ground down

South Wales Argus: Ospreys win battle of mud as Dragons are ground down Ospreys win battle of mud as Dragons are ground down

UNFORTUNATELY while the rest of us emerged from our beds this morning pledging to turn over a new leaf, Newport Gwent Drag-ons operate in seasons rather than calendar years.

They are unable to start afresh with a clean slate in 2013 and are stuck with a pretty grim situation following yesterday’s Rabo Direct Pro12 defeat to the Ospreys.

One from bottom of the table, 10 points back on Cardiff Blues in the scrap to qualify for the Heineken Cup and all but mathematically out of both the LV= and Amlin Challenge Cups.

Yet any follower of rugby who switched their television on to watch the region’s festive derby clashes with Cardiff Blues on Boxing Day and the Ospreys would have been fairly impressed with what they saw.

Like in the capital, the Dragons certainly did not have the look of basement dwellers yesterday – they were abrasive, tenacious, had a solid enough set piece and showed no signs of low confidence.

In Lewis Evans and Toby Faletau they had two real warriors in the back, lock Andrew Coombs showed plenty of bite and loosehead Phil Price did well in the scrum and the loose.

Yet 160 minutes of determined graft have yielded just one losing bonus point; that age old Dragons problem.

Yesterday they were unable to continue their fine Rodney Parade record against the Ospreys.

Wales’ best region emerged 14-3 victors for only their second success in Newport, securing four hard-earned points that leaves them well-placed for a 2013 charge towards retaining their Pro12 crown.

The Dragons, meanwhile, just have to keep grafting and try and reel in some of the rivals above them in the table.

Key to doing that will be improving their woeful home record because the sodden Fortress Rodney Parade had sprung a leak long before yesterday – the Dragons headed into the Ospreys clash with a 2012 home record of eight wins and eight losses.

The west Walians would determine whether it would be a winning year or a losing year in Newport, and it was in the balance until the final quarter.

The Dragons' pack had fared well in the mud of Cardiff Arms Park but the Ospreys' front eight – spearheaded by the inspirational tighthead Adam Jones – were always going to be a sterner test.

Yet the hosts were up to the challenge, going toe to toe with a pack that boasted plenty of international experience.

It wasn’t up front where the game was lost – it was in the kicking tussle with Wales fly-half Dan Biggar and former Dragons full-back Richard Fussell keeping them pinned back, particularly in the second half.

The battle of the boot ensured that the Dragons once again earned that unwanted plucky losers tag, and they could also point to a costly start.

Less than four minutes had been played when Ospreys wing Eli Walker went over for a converted try that was all too easy, the hosts paying the price for fly-half Lewis Robling missing touch and then getting their midfield alignment wrong in defence.

To their credit they came firing back and dominated the next 10 minutes, eventually getting the points on the board that their efforts merited thanks to a Tom Prydie penalty.

Neither side was giving their opponent a moment’s rest at the breakdown and both defences were working hard with blindsides Lewis Evans and Ryan Jones having a heck of a ding-dong battle.

A pair of Biggar penalty misses, with a smattering of aimless kicking out of hand thrown in for good measure, ensured that it remained 7-3 at half-time.

The Dragons conceded early on in the first half and were tad fortunate not to suffer the same fate after the restart.

Referee Nigel Owens gave the benefit of doubt to scrum-half Jonathan Evans, deeming that he had made a fair attempt to ground the ball when he seemed to slap the ball out over his line with Walker well placed for a second, an offence that would have led to a penalty try.

It was Ospreys domination thanks to Biggar’s control and the pressure eventually told when Robling’s clearance kick was charged down to allow Wales centre Ashley Beck to waltz under the sticks on 62 minutes.

The seven-pointer cruelly left the Dragons with nothing to show for their efforts, an all-too-frequent occurrence at Rodney Parade in 2012.

Dragons: H Amos, W Harries, P Leach, A Tuilagi, T Prydie, L Robling, J Evans, P Price (O Evans 74), S Parry (H Gustafson 47), D Way (N Buck 49), R Sidoli, A Coombs (A Jones 70), L Evans (captain), N Cudd (T Brown 63), T Faletau.

Scorer: penalty – T Prydie Ospreys: R Fussell, R Jones (A Beck 58, T Habberfield 74), T Isaacs, A Bishop, E Walker, D Biggar, K Fotuali’i (captain), R Bevington (D Jones 68), R Hibbard (S Baldwin 68), A Jones (C Griffiths 74), L Peers (J Thomas 60), J King, R Jones (J Thomas 29-31), S Lewis, J Bearman (M Allen 65) Scorers: tries – E Walker, A Beck; conversions – Biggar 2 Referee: Nigel Owens (WRU) Attendance: 7,018 Argus star man: Lewis Evans

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6:48pm Mon 31 Dec 12

mep says...

That was dreadful.
That was dreadful. mep
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7:01pm Mon 31 Dec 12

let em swing says...

Dont know what Kirwan was watching, i saw 15 headless chickens kicking away all the ball they had.
Dont know what Kirwan was watching, i saw 15 headless chickens kicking away all the ball they had. let em swing
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7:12pm Mon 31 Dec 12

pooles says...

We were up for the challenge, just fell short again !!! Shankys & Toby Played like troopers.... On another note, the dragons are a business that needs to bring in money -- SO, why couldnt you get a beer (without queing for half the game) -- Not short of pathetic to be honest... Who had the money on offer today, the dodger & the squash club as the inept management couldnt plan to have a few tents around the place (of course when we have a low key game there is a tent serving 4 people an hour)..Sort it out RP, the old house needs fresh management from the rugby field to the income making wtaer sheds - Business, My a**e
We were up for the challenge, just fell short again !!! Shankys & Toby Played like troopers.... On another note, the dragons are a business that needs to bring in money -- SO, why couldnt you get a beer (without queing for half the game) -- Not short of pathetic to be honest... Who had the money on offer today, the dodger & the squash club as the inept management couldnt plan to have a few tents around the place (of course when we have a low key game there is a tent serving 4 people an hour)..Sort it out RP, the old house needs fresh management from the rugby field to the income making wtaer sheds - Business, My a**e pooles
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7:50pm Mon 31 Dec 12

exilemike says...

Never looked like scoring a try,lineout ball won cleanly but mostly kicked away.Scrum once again the achilles heel and no platform to work off.Badly need a quality no. 10 who doesn't kick possession away so easily. Some good young players but who in all honesty apart from "has beens" is going to sign for this region to help bring them along.Being perpetual losers and once again not being in Heineken is bound to hamper quality recruitment.Not much to look forward for the rest of the season and more disappointment likely next season.
Never looked like scoring a try,lineout ball won cleanly but mostly kicked away.Scrum once again the achilles heel and no platform to work off.Badly need a quality no. 10 who doesn't kick possession away so easily. Some good young players but who in all honesty apart from "has beens" is going to sign for this region to help bring them along.Being perpetual losers and once again not being in Heineken is bound to hamper quality recruitment.Not much to look forward for the rest of the season and more disappointment likely next season. exilemike
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7:52pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Lewis Robling I'm afraid is not the answer, he missed the touch kick which led to the Ospreys forst try and made a mess of three kicks trying to clear the ball. Not a real pro yet by a long way. Apart from that the Dragons never looked like breaking through the O's defensive line. The ref did quite well but where did the crooked feed come from, they are all crooked, and he missed at least two throw ins that we as straight as a cork screw. We were a bit luck on Biggers kicking as he missed two easy penalty kicks. Discipline wise both sides did fairly well, no yellows or was the ref being kind for once?
Lewis Robling I'm afraid is not the answer, he missed the touch kick which led to the Ospreys forst try and made a mess of three kicks trying to clear the ball. Not a real pro yet by a long way. Apart from that the Dragons never looked like breaking through the O's defensive line. The ref did quite well but where did the crooked feed come from, they are all crooked, and he missed at least two throw ins that we as straight as a cork screw. We were a bit luck on Biggers kicking as he missed two easy penalty kicks. Discipline wise both sides did fairly well, no yellows or was the ref being kind for once? Robert Shillabeer
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8:20pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Euwan Usami says...

Think we missed Dan, out injured. Pity about the charge down that lead to the 2nd try. We could have claimed some kind of "Result" without it. Thought the Dragons grafted pretty well, causing a few problems upfront but still missed any kind of edge for me. Let's hope we get the promised investment /players to make a difference.
Think we missed Dan, out injured. Pity about the charge down that lead to the 2nd try. We could have claimed some kind of "Result" without it. Thought the Dragons grafted pretty well, causing a few problems upfront but still missed any kind of edge for me. Let's hope we get the promised investment /players to make a difference. Euwan Usami
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8:33pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Euwan Usami wrote:
Think we missed Dan, out injured. Pity about the charge down that lead to the 2nd try. We could have claimed some kind of "Result" without it. Thought the Dragons grafted pretty well, causing a few problems upfront but still missed any kind of edge for me. Let's hope we get the promised investment /players to make a difference.
Right we didn't have enough to get the break through we badly needed. The O's kept their defence very tight so we had no real punch to break it open. The scrum and line out went quite well only lost two but Sid did well. Too much ping pong at times when ball in hand like we did in Cardiff on Boxing Day may have prised the door open. Did well overall but failed to push them in the second half. Well 2012 is done, hope for better in 2013, starting with an away win in Ireland next week.
[quote][p][bold]Euwan Usami[/bold] wrote: Think we missed Dan, out injured. Pity about the charge down that lead to the 2nd try. We could have claimed some kind of "Result" without it. Thought the Dragons grafted pretty well, causing a few problems upfront but still missed any kind of edge for me. Let's hope we get the promised investment /players to make a difference.[/p][/quote]Right we didn't have enough to get the break through we badly needed. The O's kept their defence very tight so we had no real punch to break it open. The scrum and line out went quite well only lost two but Sid did well. Too much ping pong at times when ball in hand like we did in Cardiff on Boxing Day may have prised the door open. Did well overall but failed to push them in the second half. Well 2012 is done, hope for better in 2013, starting with an away win in Ireland next week. Robert Shillabeer
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9:00pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Doberman1 says...

Couldn't fault the effort and even the scrum looked pretty solid but
let's not kid ourselves, the Ospreys won that without getting out of second gear. I will end the year with my same old view which is we have some decent players who in my humble opinion are badly led. I have no doubt whatsoever that DE is a decent technical coach but we need more than that, we need a motivator, a coach who inspires the right mentality, someone who can instill a winning mentality whereby losing is painful. We do not have that.
Agree with the post about the bar service, it was a joke. One of the bar's in the argus terrace ran out of lager and guiness just after half time!!!!
Was really impressed with Adam Jones tonight, never really noticed before but his work rate around the pitch is amazing,pure quality.

Happy New Year all - it's only a game after all!!!!!
Couldn't fault the effort and even the scrum looked pretty solid but let's not kid ourselves, the Ospreys won that without getting out of second gear. I will end the year with my same old view which is we have some decent players who in my humble opinion are badly led. I have no doubt whatsoever that DE is a decent technical coach but we need more than that, we need a motivator, a coach who inspires the right mentality, someone who can instill a winning mentality whereby losing is painful. We do not have that. Agree with the post about the bar service, it was a joke. One of the bar's in the argus terrace ran out of lager and guiness just after half time!!!! Was really impressed with Adam Jones tonight, never really noticed before but his work rate around the pitch is amazing,pure quality. Happy New Year all - it's only a game after all!!!!! Doberman1
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9:10pm Mon 31 Dec 12

portforever says...

we gave our best but fell short yet again
rumer has it toby is off to bath , the end.
we gave our best but fell short yet again rumer has it toby is off to bath , the end. portforever
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9:51pm Mon 31 Dec 12

gaven21 says...

Doberman1 wrote:
Couldn't fault the effort and even the scrum looked pretty solid but
let's not kid ourselves, the Ospreys won that without getting out of second gear. I will end the year with my same old view which is we have some decent players who in my humble opinion are badly led. I have no doubt whatsoever that DE is a decent technical coach but we need more than that, we need a motivator, a coach who inspires the right mentality, someone who can instill a winning mentality whereby losing is painful. We do not have that.
Agree with the post about the bar service, it was a joke. One of the bar's in the argus terrace ran out of lager and guiness just after half time!!!!
Was really impressed with Adam Jones tonight, never really noticed before but his work rate around the pitch is amazing,pure quality.

Happy New Year all - it's only a game after all!!!!!
Re Adam Jones...yes you right, not many fans seem to notice the standard of play or his work rate. Yet he is rated top class among fellow locks and players around the UK, but DE and staff feel the need to keep him out of MUST WIN GAMES..WHY!!!
Happy New Year to one and all
[quote][p][bold]Doberman1[/bold] wrote: Couldn't fault the effort and even the scrum looked pretty solid but let's not kid ourselves, the Ospreys won that without getting out of second gear. I will end the year with my same old view which is we have some decent players who in my humble opinion are badly led. I have no doubt whatsoever that DE is a decent technical coach but we need more than that, we need a motivator, a coach who inspires the right mentality, someone who can instill a winning mentality whereby losing is painful. We do not have that. Agree with the post about the bar service, it was a joke. One of the bar's in the argus terrace ran out of lager and guiness just after half time!!!! Was really impressed with Adam Jones tonight, never really noticed before but his work rate around the pitch is amazing,pure quality. Happy New Year all - it's only a game after all!!!!![/p][/quote]Re Adam Jones...yes you right, not many fans seem to notice the standard of play or his work rate. Yet he is rated top class among fellow locks and players around the UK, but DE and staff feel the need to keep him out of MUST WIN GAMES..WHY!!! Happy New Year to one and all gaven21
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10:57pm Mon 31 Dec 12

speakoutnow says...

Unfortunately still too many basic coaching/selection/p
layer errors.
Before some people crticise Lewis Robling, who in all honesty didn't have the best of games please consider the service he received.

Johnathen Evans' pass is/was very poor....certainly the worst I have seen of any team's no.9 this year.
All too often Lewis had the ball to his wrong side, too low, too high or behind him.
Added to that his kicking was poor as was his decision making and discipline.....did he really think it smart to backchat NIgel?

Why did Wayne come off early against Blues and why didn't he come on today?

Why, if you are going to kick the ball to touch from a set piece inyour 22,do you run a move before you do....resulting in scrappy, pressuried ball and a charge down?

Also, again re:basic coaching....if the o/h is going to kick to the right hand touchline with his right foot why doesn't he face towards it and why doesn't the s/h pass it to his RIGHT side... don't they work through different match scenarios?

This is basic stuff any coach worth his salt would run through.

There are many other instances of poor coaching and or selection errors evident in every match, how are players ever going to improve if they are never shown what they should do in game situations and are allowed to keep making the same mistakes?
I feel sorry for the players because again they gave 100% effort.
Even with such poor service you are never going to offer much behind apart from crash ball with Tuillagi in the centre....when does he ever offer anything else...like a pass or off-load!

Finally totally agree about Adam Jones ....did you see how the Ospreys scrum folded after he left the field....both they and Wales cannot afford to lose him!
Unfortunately still too many basic coaching/selection/p layer errors. Before some people crticise Lewis Robling, who in all honesty didn't have the best of games please consider the service he received. Johnathen Evans' pass is/was very poor....certainly the worst I have seen of any team's no.9 this year. All too often Lewis had the ball to his wrong side, too low, too high or behind him. Added to that his kicking was poor as was his decision making and discipline.....did he really think it smart to backchat NIgel? Why did Wayne come off early against Blues and why didn't he come on today? Why, if you are going to kick the ball to touch from a set piece inyour 22,do you run a move before you do....resulting in scrappy, pressuried ball and a charge down? Also, again re:basic coaching....if the o/h is going to kick to the right hand touchline with his right foot why doesn't he face towards it and why doesn't the s/h pass it to his RIGHT side... don't they work through different match scenarios? This is basic stuff any coach worth his salt would run through. There are many other instances of poor coaching and or selection errors evident in every match, how are players ever going to improve if they are never shown what they should do in game situations and are allowed to keep making the same mistakes? I feel sorry for the players because again they gave 100% effort. Even with such poor service you are never going to offer much behind apart from crash ball with Tuillagi in the centre....when does he ever offer anything else...like a pass or off-load! Finally totally agree about Adam Jones ....did you see how the Ospreys scrum folded after he left the field....both they and Wales cannot afford to lose him! speakoutnow
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12:46am Tue 1 Jan 13

Euwan Usami says...

speakoutnow wrote:
Unfortunately still too many basic coaching/selection/p

layer errors.
Before some people crticise Lewis Robling, who in all honesty didn't have the best of games please consider the service he received.

Johnathen Evans' pass is/was very poor....certainly the worst I have seen of any team's no.9 this year.
All too often Lewis had the ball to his wrong side, too low, too high or behind him.
Added to that his kicking was poor as was his decision making and discipline.....did he really think it smart to backchat NIgel?

Why did Wayne come off early against Blues and why didn't he come on today?

Why, if you are going to kick the ball to touch from a set piece inyour 22,do you run a move before you do....resulting in scrappy, pressuried ball and a charge down?

Also, again re:basic coaching....if the o/h is going to kick to the right hand touchline with his right foot why doesn't he face towards it and why doesn't the s/h pass it to his RIGHT side... don't they work through different match scenarios?

This is basic stuff any coach worth his salt would run through.

There are many other instances of poor coaching and or selection errors evident in every match, how are players ever going to improve if they are never shown what they should do in game situations and are allowed to keep making the same mistakes?
I feel sorry for the players because again they gave 100% effort.
Even with such poor service you are never going to offer much behind apart from crash ball with Tuillagi in the centre....when does he ever offer anything else...like a pass or off-load!

Finally totally agree about Adam Jones ....did you see how the Ospreys scrum folded after he left the field....both they and Wales cannot afford to lose him!
It's true Jon Evans didn't have his best game but I have always thought he was twice the 9 Wayne is. Suprised to see the opposite view tbh. Let's hope the likes of Dean Ryan helps to outline the failings but I think the absence of Dan Evans was a more telling factor. We were never going to beat the Ospreys with the current side but came close to a losing bonus point. As you say we couldn't have asked any more of the players for sure.
[quote][p][bold]speakoutnow[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately still too many basic coaching/selection/p layer errors. Before some people crticise Lewis Robling, who in all honesty didn't have the best of games please consider the service he received. Johnathen Evans' pass is/was very poor....certainly the worst I have seen of any team's no.9 this year. All too often Lewis had the ball to his wrong side, too low, too high or behind him. Added to that his kicking was poor as was his decision making and discipline.....did he really think it smart to backchat NIgel? Why did Wayne come off early against Blues and why didn't he come on today? Why, if you are going to kick the ball to touch from a set piece inyour 22,do you run a move before you do....resulting in scrappy, pressuried ball and a charge down? Also, again re:basic coaching....if the o/h is going to kick to the right hand touchline with his right foot why doesn't he face towards it and why doesn't the s/h pass it to his RIGHT side... don't they work through different match scenarios? This is basic stuff any coach worth his salt would run through. There are many other instances of poor coaching and or selection errors evident in every match, how are players ever going to improve if they are never shown what they should do in game situations and are allowed to keep making the same mistakes? I feel sorry for the players because again they gave 100% effort. Even with such poor service you are never going to offer much behind apart from crash ball with Tuillagi in the centre....when does he ever offer anything else...like a pass or off-load! Finally totally agree about Adam Jones ....did you see how the Ospreys scrum folded after he left the field....both they and Wales cannot afford to lose him![/p][/quote]It's true Jon Evans didn't have his best game but I have always thought he was twice the 9 Wayne is. Suprised to see the opposite view tbh. Let's hope the likes of Dean Ryan helps to outline the failings but I think the absence of Dan Evans was a more telling factor. We were never going to beat the Ospreys with the current side but came close to a losing bonus point. As you say we couldn't have asked any more of the players for sure. Euwan Usami
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1:37am Tue 1 Jan 13

East Newport Dave says...

Hugely disappointing that the Ospreys won so comfortably. We went down without a whimper. No control from outside half and players incapable of breaking the gain line bar Toby and Tuilagi. That's on the field.
Off it.
Massive queues under the Hazell Stand for beer. Amazingly, the bars were 50% shut down on New Year's Eve - incredible. Who is running things? Completely rudderless! The man on the tannoy invited us to the club/Bisley lounge afterwards. No chance if you can't even get the service right in the ground. Just a shambles!
Hugely disappointing that the Ospreys won so comfortably. We went down without a whimper. No control from outside half and players incapable of breaking the gain line bar Toby and Tuilagi. That's on the field. Off it. Massive queues under the Hazell Stand for beer. Amazingly, the bars were 50% shut down on New Year's Eve - incredible. Who is running things? Completely rudderless! The man on the tannoy invited us to the club/Bisley lounge afterwards. No chance if you can't even get the service right in the ground. Just a shambles! East Newport Dave
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2:03am Tue 1 Jan 13

Robert Shillabeer says...

East Newport Dave wrote:
Hugely disappointing that the Ospreys won so comfortably. We went down without a whimper. No control from outside half and players incapable of breaking the gain line bar Toby and Tuilagi. That's on the field.
Off it.
Massive queues under the Hazell Stand for beer. Amazingly, the bars were 50% shut down on New Year's Eve - incredible. Who is running things? Completely rudderless! The man on the tannoy invited us to the club/Bisley lounge afterwards. No chance if you can't even get the service right in the ground. Just a shambles!
By New Years Eve most people have plans in place so the lack of beer sales means nothing to the big picture so stop moaning because you couldn't get another pint in. The facts are we were outplayed in the second half, they controlled almost every aspect of the game therefore stopped the Dragons gaining ground. We never broke the line in the second half and struggled to keep possession, Lewis Robblin made a bad decision when he tried to. Kick clear, but he was the sat man defending so not much blame for the charge down. We lst because of pour defending in the first 4 minutes, and a charge down in the last ten otherwise we competed well but to no availe I'm afraid. Good effort but wrong result. New year so lets just hope for better.
[quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: Hugely disappointing that the Ospreys won so comfortably. We went down without a whimper. No control from outside half and players incapable of breaking the gain line bar Toby and Tuilagi. That's on the field. Off it. Massive queues under the Hazell Stand for beer. Amazingly, the bars were 50% shut down on New Year's Eve - incredible. Who is running things? Completely rudderless! The man on the tannoy invited us to the club/Bisley lounge afterwards. No chance if you can't even get the service right in the ground. Just a shambles![/p][/quote]By New Years Eve most people have plans in place so the lack of beer sales means nothing to the big picture so stop moaning because you couldn't get another pint in. The facts are we were outplayed in the second half, they controlled almost every aspect of the game therefore stopped the Dragons gaining ground. We never broke the line in the second half and struggled to keep possession, Lewis Robblin made a bad decision when he tried to. Kick clear, but he was the sat man defending so not much blame for the charge down. We lst because of pour defending in the first 4 minutes, and a charge down in the last ten otherwise we competed well but to no availe I'm afraid. Good effort but wrong result. New year so lets just hope for better. Robert Shillabeer
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2:31am Tue 1 Jan 13

Euwan Usami says...

East Newport Dave wrote:
Hugely disappointing that the Ospreys won so comfortably. We went down without a whimper. No control from outside half and players incapable of breaking the gain line bar Toby and Tuilagi. That's on the field.
Off it.
Massive queues under the Hazell Stand for beer. Amazingly, the bars were 50% shut down on New Year's Eve - incredible. Who is running things? Completely rudderless! The man on the tannoy invited us to the club/Bisley lounge afterwards. No chance if you can't even get the service right in the ground. Just a shambles!
There were ridiculously long queues in the Bisley for beer too. Alot of people missed the first 5 mins. The Ospreys fans missed their try. (Ah well ay?).
The attendance figures were known in advance, so unless their is a technical failure then you have to put it down to bad organisation presumably? Just pre-pour a shed load a la milenium stadium surely? They were pouring 4 pints at a time whole people waited in line. It's a concern on a few levels for sure.
[quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: Hugely disappointing that the Ospreys won so comfortably. We went down without a whimper. No control from outside half and players incapable of breaking the gain line bar Toby and Tuilagi. That's on the field. Off it. Massive queues under the Hazell Stand for beer. Amazingly, the bars were 50% shut down on New Year's Eve - incredible. Who is running things? Completely rudderless! The man on the tannoy invited us to the club/Bisley lounge afterwards. No chance if you can't even get the service right in the ground. Just a shambles![/p][/quote]There were ridiculously long queues in the Bisley for beer too. Alot of people missed the first 5 mins. The Ospreys fans missed their try. (Ah well ay?). The attendance figures were known in advance, so unless their is a technical failure then you have to put it down to bad organisation presumably? Just pre-pour a shed load a la milenium stadium surely? They were pouring 4 pints at a time whole people waited in line. It's a concern on a few levels for sure. Euwan Usami
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10:44am Tue 1 Jan 13

silurix says...

surprised at how well they competed. Still lacking on the skills front in some areas and with the usual suicidally inept kicking game they will still find it hard to compete as effectively as they might. But , they're not a million miles from being a half decent team. Still Amlin level rather than Heineken but if they can start to compete there it will be a step forward. Fingers crossed for 2013.
surprised at how well they competed. Still lacking on the skills front in some areas and with the usual suicidally inept kicking game they will still find it hard to compete as effectively as they might. But , they're not a million miles from being a half decent team. Still Amlin level rather than Heineken but if they can start to compete there it will be a step forward. Fingers crossed for 2013. silurix
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12:00pm Tue 1 Jan 13

let em swing says...

Surprised by some commenters optimism to be honest, they were poor against an average ospreys team who were nowhere near their best, DE has ot got a clue, neither has Beale unforunately with a lot of you happy with what is total mediocrityit will takeforever for DEand his band of hangerons to get the message, lets not forget we have failed to beat probably the worst Bues side to ever represent the region, if we cant be competitive tis season we never will be, in the name of rugby please sack the hapless DE now.
Surprised by some commenters optimism to be honest, they were poor against an average ospreys team who were nowhere near their best, DE has ot got a clue, neither has Beale unforunately with a lot of you happy with what is total mediocrityit will takeforever for DEand his band of hangerons to get the message, lets not forget we have failed to beat probably the worst Bues side to ever represent the region, if we cant be competitive tis season we never will be, in the name of rugby please sack the hapless DE now. let em swing
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12:00pm Tue 1 Jan 13

East Newport Dave says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
East Newport Dave wrote:
Hugely disappointing that the Ospreys won so comfortably. We went down without a whimper. No control from outside half and players incapable of breaking the gain line bar Toby and Tuilagi. That's on the field.
Off it.
Massive queues under the Hazell Stand for beer. Amazingly, the bars were 50% shut down on New Year's Eve - incredible. Who is running things? Completely rudderless! The man on the tannoy invited us to the club/Bisley lounge afterwards. No chance if you can't even get the service right in the ground. Just a shambles!
By New Years Eve most people have plans in place so the lack of beer sales means nothing to the big picture so stop moaning because you couldn't get another pint in. The facts are we were outplayed in the second half, they controlled almost every aspect of the game therefore stopped the Dragons gaining ground. We never broke the line in the second half and struggled to keep possession, Lewis Robblin made a bad decision when he tried to. Kick clear, but he was the sat man defending so not much blame for the charge down. We lst because of pour defending in the first 4 minutes, and a charge down in the last ten otherwise we competed well but to no availe I'm afraid. Good effort but wrong result. New year so lets just hope for better.
Robert, get a grip. I didn't bother to buy a drink because the queues were too long. At half time my son queued for 25 mins and missed part of the 2nd half. It is the first time he has been to a Dragons game for a few years and not only did the team perform poorly but he had trouble getting a beer! They can't even get the easy bit right.
What business gives its staff the night off on the busiest day of the year. I don't give a **** about it being New Year and the bar staff wanting to go out. Having to pay them enhanced rates is irrelevant because the amount of money they could have taken completely eclipses the staffing cost. The region is complaining about being short of cash and when they have a chance of making some money and building some business they blew it on all fronts. Players, staff, management - the lot of them. Very frustrating for paying supporters to see the shambles before their very eyes.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: Hugely disappointing that the Ospreys won so comfortably. We went down without a whimper. No control from outside half and players incapable of breaking the gain line bar Toby and Tuilagi. That's on the field. Off it. Massive queues under the Hazell Stand for beer. Amazingly, the bars were 50% shut down on New Year's Eve - incredible. Who is running things? Completely rudderless! The man on the tannoy invited us to the club/Bisley lounge afterwards. No chance if you can't even get the service right in the ground. Just a shambles![/p][/quote]By New Years Eve most people have plans in place so the lack of beer sales means nothing to the big picture so stop moaning because you couldn't get another pint in. The facts are we were outplayed in the second half, they controlled almost every aspect of the game therefore stopped the Dragons gaining ground. We never broke the line in the second half and struggled to keep possession, Lewis Robblin made a bad decision when he tried to. Kick clear, but he was the sat man defending so not much blame for the charge down. We lst because of pour defending in the first 4 minutes, and a charge down in the last ten otherwise we competed well but to no availe I'm afraid. Good effort but wrong result. New year so lets just hope for better.[/p][/quote]Robert, get a grip. I didn't bother to buy a drink because the queues were too long. At half time my son queued for 25 mins and missed part of the 2nd half. It is the first time he has been to a Dragons game for a few years and not only did the team perform poorly but he had trouble getting a beer! They can't even get the easy bit right. What business gives its staff the night off on the busiest day of the year. I don't give a **** about it being New Year and the bar staff wanting to go out. Having to pay them enhanced rates is irrelevant because the amount of money they could have taken completely eclipses the staffing cost. The region is complaining about being short of cash and when they have a chance of making some money and building some business they blew it on all fronts. Players, staff, management - the lot of them. Very frustrating for paying supporters to see the shambles before their very eyes. East Newport Dave
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12:22pm Tue 1 Jan 13

rhinestine says...

The best thing the dragons team can do is to ignore the coach and play what they see on the pitch.

Play open rugby, just because every other team wants to play kick chase, we don't have to.

They are over coached robots, they need to play off the cuff.
The best thing the dragons team can do is to ignore the coach and play what they see on the pitch. Play open rugby, just because every other team wants to play kick chase, we don't have to. They are over coached robots, they need to play off the cuff. rhinestine
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12:40pm Tue 1 Jan 13

pooles says...

Well said east Newport Dave, Your comments are spot on... We need money as a region to be able to invest in players and improve yet are so blarza when it comes to making revenue easily -- people drink beer, we make profit,,,, no beer no profit -- simples
Well said east Newport Dave, Your comments are spot on... We need money as a region to be able to invest in players and improve yet are so blarza when it comes to making revenue easily -- people drink beer, we make profit,,,, no beer no profit -- simples pooles
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12:43pm Tue 1 Jan 13

let em swing says...

The sooner DE realises games are played on the field and not in his macbook, the sooner he will get results, i just think he is not good enough in coaching tatcs, stats or inspiation, for gds sake move over and let someone head this region with a bit of rugby nous.
The sooner DE realises games are played on the field and not in his macbook, the sooner he will get results, i just think he is not good enough in coaching tatcs, stats or inspiation, for gds sake move over and let someone head this region with a bit of rugby nous. let em swing
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12:44pm Tue 1 Jan 13

casto says...

if this was the best region v the worst region.wales should just pack in it and stick to singing.hope yo enjoyed your free rugby shirts east newport dave.i wouldnt get out of bed to watch this drivvle.even if it was free
if this was the best region v the worst region.wales should just pack in it and stick to singing.hope yo enjoyed your free rugby shirts east newport dave.i wouldnt get out of bed to watch this drivvle.even if it was free casto
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12:45pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Robert Shillabeer says...

East Newport Dave wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
East Newport Dave wrote:
Hugely disappointing that the Ospreys won so comfortably. We went down without a whimper. No control from outside half and players incapable of breaking the gain line bar Toby and Tuilagi. That's on the field.
Off it.
Massive queues under the Hazell Stand for beer. Amazingly, the bars were 50% shut down on New Year's Eve - incredible. Who is running things? Completely rudderless! The man on the tannoy invited us to the club/Bisley lounge afterwards. No chance if you can't even get the service right in the ground. Just a shambles!
By New Years Eve most people have plans in place so the lack of beer sales means nothing to the big picture so stop moaning because you couldn't get another pint in. The facts are we were outplayed in the second half, they controlled almost every aspect of the game therefore stopped the Dragons gaining ground. We never broke the line in the second half and struggled to keep possession, Lewis Robblin made a bad decision when he tried to. Kick clear, but he was the sat man defending so not much blame for the charge down. We lst because of pour defending in the first 4 minutes, and a charge down in the last ten otherwise we competed well but to no availe I'm afraid. Good effort but wrong result. New year so lets just hope for better.
Robert, get a grip. I didn't bother to buy a drink because the queues were too long. At half time my son queued for 25 mins and missed part of the 2nd half. It is the first time he has been to a Dragons game for a few years and not only did the team perform poorly but he had trouble getting a beer! They can't even get the easy bit right.
What business gives its staff the night off on the busiest day of the year. I don't give a **** about it being New Year and the bar staff wanting to go out. Having to pay them enhanced rates is irrelevant because the amount of money they could have taken completely eclipses the staffing cost. The region is complaining about being short of cash and when they have a chance of making some money and building some business they blew it on all fronts. Players, staff, management - the lot of them. Very frustrating for paying supporters to see the shambles before their very eyes.
Did you go for the rugby or just to get drunk? I and my friends went for the rugby, enjoyed a pint before and after the game firstly to think of the win we were sure we would get and after to say why we lost, good company, enjoyable drink and went home safe and sound. Not everyone goes simply to get p***sed.
[quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: Hugely disappointing that the Ospreys won so comfortably. We went down without a whimper. No control from outside half and players incapable of breaking the gain line bar Toby and Tuilagi. That's on the field. Off it. Massive queues under the Hazell Stand for beer. Amazingly, the bars were 50% shut down on New Year's Eve - incredible. Who is running things? Completely rudderless! The man on the tannoy invited us to the club/Bisley lounge afterwards. No chance if you can't even get the service right in the ground. Just a shambles![/p][/quote]By New Years Eve most people have plans in place so the lack of beer sales means nothing to the big picture so stop moaning because you couldn't get another pint in. The facts are we were outplayed in the second half, they controlled almost every aspect of the game therefore stopped the Dragons gaining ground. We never broke the line in the second half and struggled to keep possession, Lewis Robblin made a bad decision when he tried to. Kick clear, but he was the sat man defending so not much blame for the charge down. We lst because of pour defending in the first 4 minutes, and a charge down in the last ten otherwise we competed well but to no availe I'm afraid. Good effort but wrong result. New year so lets just hope for better.[/p][/quote]Robert, get a grip. I didn't bother to buy a drink because the queues were too long. At half time my son queued for 25 mins and missed part of the 2nd half. It is the first time he has been to a Dragons game for a few years and not only did the team perform poorly but he had trouble getting a beer! They can't even get the easy bit right. What business gives its staff the night off on the busiest day of the year. I don't give a **** about it being New Year and the bar staff wanting to go out. Having to pay them enhanced rates is irrelevant because the amount of money they could have taken completely eclipses the staffing cost. The region is complaining about being short of cash and when they have a chance of making some money and building some business they blew it on all fronts. Players, staff, management - the lot of them. Very frustrating for paying supporters to see the shambles before their very eyes.[/p][/quote]Did you go for the rugby or just to get drunk? I and my friends went for the rugby, enjoyed a pint before and after the game firstly to think of the win we were sure we would get and after to say why we lost, good company, enjoyable drink and went home safe and sound. Not everyone goes simply to get p***sed. Robert Shillabeer
  • Score: 0

12:47pm Tue 1 Jan 13

let em swing says...

rhinestine wrote:
The best thing the dragons team can do is to ignore the coach and play what they see on the pitch.

Play open rugby, just because every other team wants to play kick chase, we don't have to.

They are over coached robots, they need to play off the cuff.
Totally agree, unfortunately this requires a rugby brained 9 and 10 we have neither .
[quote][p][bold]rhinestine[/bold] wrote: The best thing the dragons team can do is to ignore the coach and play what they see on the pitch. Play open rugby, just because every other team wants to play kick chase, we don't have to. They are over coached robots, they need to play off the cuff.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, unfortunately this requires a rugby brained 9 and 10 we have neither . let em swing
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12:47pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Robert Shillabeer says...

casto wrote:
if this was the best region v the worst region.wales should just pack in it and stick to singing.hope yo enjoyed your free rugby shirts east newport dave.i wouldnt get out of bed to watch this drivvle.even if it was free
Good now stop talking about something your not interested in and give everyone a happy new year.
[quote][p][bold]casto[/bold] wrote: if this was the best region v the worst region.wales should just pack in it and stick to singing.hope yo enjoyed your free rugby shirts east newport dave.i wouldnt get out of bed to watch this drivvle.even if it was free[/p][/quote]Good now stop talking about something your not interested in and give everyone a happy new year. Robert Shillabeer
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12:51pm Tue 1 Jan 13

let em swing says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
East Newport Dave wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
East Newport Dave wrote:
Hugely disappointing that the Ospreys won so comfortably. We went down without a whimper. No control from outside half and players incapable of breaking the gain line bar Toby and Tuilagi. That's on the field.
Off it.
Massive queues under the Hazell Stand for beer. Amazingly, the bars were 50% shut down on New Year's Eve - incredible. Who is running things? Completely rudderless! The man on the tannoy invited us to the club/Bisley lounge afterwards. No chance if you can't even get the service right in the ground. Just a shambles!
By New Years Eve most people have plans in place so the lack of beer sales means nothing to the big picture so stop moaning because you couldn't get another pint in. The facts are we were outplayed in the second half, they controlled almost every aspect of the game therefore stopped the Dragons gaining ground. We never broke the line in the second half and struggled to keep possession, Lewis Robblin made a bad decision when he tried to. Kick clear, but he was the sat man defending so not much blame for the charge down. We lst because of pour defending in the first 4 minutes, and a charge down in the last ten otherwise we competed well but to no availe I'm afraid. Good effort but wrong result. New year so lets just hope for better.
Robert, get a grip. I didn't bother to buy a drink because the queues were too long. At half time my son queued for 25 mins and missed part of the 2nd half. It is the first time he has been to a Dragons game for a few years and not only did the team perform poorly but he had trouble getting a beer! They can't even get the easy bit right.
What business gives its staff the night off on the busiest day of the year. I don't give a **** about it being New Year and the bar staff wanting to go out. Having to pay them enhanced rates is irrelevant because the amount of money they could have taken completely eclipses the staffing cost. The region is complaining about being short of cash and when they have a chance of making some money and building some business they blew it on all fronts. Players, staff, management - the lot of them. Very frustrating for paying supporters to see the shambles before their very eyes.
Did you go for the rugby or just to get drunk? I and my friends went for the rugby, enjoyed a pint before and after the game firstly to think of the win we were sure we would get and after to say why we lost, good company, enjoyable drink and went home safe and sound. Not everyone goes simply to get p***sed.
Who is mentioning getting **** rob,i for one wont stand and cue for ages be it rp or wetherspoons, the business side of this club is inept at best, and is costing the club money.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: Hugely disappointing that the Ospreys won so comfortably. We went down without a whimper. No control from outside half and players incapable of breaking the gain line bar Toby and Tuilagi. That's on the field. Off it. Massive queues under the Hazell Stand for beer. Amazingly, the bars were 50% shut down on New Year's Eve - incredible. Who is running things? Completely rudderless! The man on the tannoy invited us to the club/Bisley lounge afterwards. No chance if you can't even get the service right in the ground. Just a shambles![/p][/quote]By New Years Eve most people have plans in place so the lack of beer sales means nothing to the big picture so stop moaning because you couldn't get another pint in. The facts are we were outplayed in the second half, they controlled almost every aspect of the game therefore stopped the Dragons gaining ground. We never broke the line in the second half and struggled to keep possession, Lewis Robblin made a bad decision when he tried to. Kick clear, but he was the sat man defending so not much blame for the charge down. We lst because of pour defending in the first 4 minutes, and a charge down in the last ten otherwise we competed well but to no availe I'm afraid. Good effort but wrong result. New year so lets just hope for better.[/p][/quote]Robert, get a grip. I didn't bother to buy a drink because the queues were too long. At half time my son queued for 25 mins and missed part of the 2nd half. It is the first time he has been to a Dragons game for a few years and not only did the team perform poorly but he had trouble getting a beer! They can't even get the easy bit right. What business gives its staff the night off on the busiest day of the year. I don't give a **** about it being New Year and the bar staff wanting to go out. Having to pay them enhanced rates is irrelevant because the amount of money they could have taken completely eclipses the staffing cost. The region is complaining about being short of cash and when they have a chance of making some money and building some business they blew it on all fronts. Players, staff, management - the lot of them. Very frustrating for paying supporters to see the shambles before their very eyes.[/p][/quote]Did you go for the rugby or just to get drunk? I and my friends went for the rugby, enjoyed a pint before and after the game firstly to think of the win we were sure we would get and after to say why we lost, good company, enjoyable drink and went home safe and sound. Not everyone goes simply to get p***sed.[/p][/quote]Who is mentioning getting **** rob,i for one wont stand and cue for ages be it rp or wetherspoons, the business side of this club is inept at best, and is costing the club money. let em swing
  • Score: 0

1:05pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Euwan Usami says...

let em swing wrote:
Surprised by some commenters optimism to be honest, they were poor against an average ospreys team who were nowhere near their best, DE has ot got a clue, neither has Beale unforunately with a lot of you happy with what is total mediocrityit will takeforever for DEand his band of hangerons to get the message, lets not forget we have failed to beat probably the worst Bues side to ever represent the region, if we cant be competitive tis season we never will be, in the name of rugby please sack the hapless DE now.
I think many would have agreed with you before the board made it clear where we stood financially speaking. Most now accept we have shortcomings and are looking forward to next season when the promised investment in the squad should improve matters on the pitch. We were never going to beat the Ospreys but came close to a bonus point. The Scarlets would have preferred our score line I am sure. Got to keep it real for now. This is the season we will be least competitive.
[quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: Surprised by some commenters optimism to be honest, they were poor against an average ospreys team who were nowhere near their best, DE has ot got a clue, neither has Beale unforunately with a lot of you happy with what is total mediocrityit will takeforever for DEand his band of hangerons to get the message, lets not forget we have failed to beat probably the worst Bues side to ever represent the region, if we cant be competitive tis season we never will be, in the name of rugby please sack the hapless DE now.[/p][/quote]I think many would have agreed with you before the board made it clear where we stood financially speaking. Most now accept we have shortcomings and are looking forward to next season when the promised investment in the squad should improve matters on the pitch. We were never going to beat the Ospreys but came close to a bonus point. The Scarlets would have preferred our score line I am sure. Got to keep it real for now. This is the season we will be least competitive. Euwan Usami
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1:07pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Robert Shillabeer says...

let em swing wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
East Newport Dave wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
East Newport Dave wrote:
Hugely disappointing that the Ospreys won so comfortably. We went down without a whimper. No control from outside half and players incapable of breaking the gain line bar Toby and Tuilagi. That's on the field.
Off it.
Massive queues under the Hazell Stand for beer. Amazingly, the bars were 50% shut down on New Year's Eve - incredible. Who is running things? Completely rudderless! The man on the tannoy invited us to the club/Bisley lounge afterwards. No chance if you can't even get the service right in the ground. Just a shambles!
By New Years Eve most people have plans in place so the lack of beer sales means nothing to the big picture so stop moaning because you couldn't get another pint in. The facts are we were outplayed in the second half, they controlled almost every aspect of the game therefore stopped the Dragons gaining ground. We never broke the line in the second half and struggled to keep possession, Lewis Robblin made a bad decision when he tried to. Kick clear, but he was the sat man defending so not much blame for the charge down. We lst because of pour defending in the first 4 minutes, and a charge down in the last ten otherwise we competed well but to no availe I'm afraid. Good effort but wrong result. New year so lets just hope for better.
Robert, get a grip. I didn't bother to buy a drink because the queues were too long. At half time my son queued for 25 mins and missed part of the 2nd half. It is the first time he has been to a Dragons game for a few years and not only did the team perform poorly but he had trouble getting a beer! They can't even get the easy bit right.
What business gives its staff the night off on the busiest day of the year. I don't give a **** about it being New Year and the bar staff wanting to go out. Having to pay them enhanced rates is irrelevant because the amount of money they could have taken completely eclipses the staffing cost. The region is complaining about being short of cash and when they have a chance of making some money and building some business they blew it on all fronts. Players, staff, management - the lot of them. Very frustrating for paying supporters to see the shambles before their very eyes.
Did you go for the rugby or just to get drunk? I and my friends went for the rugby, enjoyed a pint before and after the game firstly to think of the win we were sure we would get and after to say why we lost, good company, enjoyable drink and went home safe and sound. Not everyone goes simply to get p***sed.
Who is mentioning getting **** rob,i for one wont stand and cue for ages be it rp or wetherspoons, the business side of this club is inept at best, and is costing the club money.
Why go on about it then just chill and enjoy the New Year.
[quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: Hugely disappointing that the Ospreys won so comfortably. We went down without a whimper. No control from outside half and players incapable of breaking the gain line bar Toby and Tuilagi. That's on the field. Off it. Massive queues under the Hazell Stand for beer. Amazingly, the bars were 50% shut down on New Year's Eve - incredible. Who is running things? Completely rudderless! The man on the tannoy invited us to the club/Bisley lounge afterwards. No chance if you can't even get the service right in the ground. Just a shambles![/p][/quote]By New Years Eve most people have plans in place so the lack of beer sales means nothing to the big picture so stop moaning because you couldn't get another pint in. The facts are we were outplayed in the second half, they controlled almost every aspect of the game therefore stopped the Dragons gaining ground. We never broke the line in the second half and struggled to keep possession, Lewis Robblin made a bad decision when he tried to. Kick clear, but he was the sat man defending so not much blame for the charge down. We lst because of pour defending in the first 4 minutes, and a charge down in the last ten otherwise we competed well but to no availe I'm afraid. Good effort but wrong result. New year so lets just hope for better.[/p][/quote]Robert, get a grip. I didn't bother to buy a drink because the queues were too long. At half time my son queued for 25 mins and missed part of the 2nd half. It is the first time he has been to a Dragons game for a few years and not only did the team perform poorly but he had trouble getting a beer! They can't even get the easy bit right. What business gives its staff the night off on the busiest day of the year. I don't give a **** about it being New Year and the bar staff wanting to go out. Having to pay them enhanced rates is irrelevant because the amount of money they could have taken completely eclipses the staffing cost. The region is complaining about being short of cash and when they have a chance of making some money and building some business they blew it on all fronts. Players, staff, management - the lot of them. Very frustrating for paying supporters to see the shambles before their very eyes.[/p][/quote]Did you go for the rugby or just to get drunk? I and my friends went for the rugby, enjoyed a pint before and after the game firstly to think of the win we were sure we would get and after to say why we lost, good company, enjoyable drink and went home safe and sound. Not everyone goes simply to get p***sed.[/p][/quote]Who is mentioning getting **** rob,i for one wont stand and cue for ages be it rp or wetherspoons, the business side of this club is inept at best, and is costing the club money.[/p][/quote]Why go on about it then just chill and enjoy the New Year. Robert Shillabeer
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2:42pm Tue 1 Jan 13

East Newport Dave says...

Robert, I drove down so could not drink much but my son is in his 20s and wanted a beer or 2. It's part of the enjoyment. People like you who accept mediocrity are part of the problem. The whole experience was poor yesterday when they needed to get it right. How will they ever need to get it right when the likes of you just accept the rubbish being served up.
Robert, I drove down so could not drink much but my son is in his 20s and wanted a beer or 2. It's part of the enjoyment. People like you who accept mediocrity are part of the problem. The whole experience was poor yesterday when they needed to get it right. How will they ever need to get it right when the likes of you just accept the rubbish being served up. East Newport Dave
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2:49pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Doberman1 says...

East Newport Dave wrote:
Robert, I drove down so could not drink much but my son is in his 20s and wanted a beer or 2. It's part of the enjoyment. People like you who accept mediocrity are part of the problem. The whole experience was poor yesterday when they needed to get it right. How will they ever need to get it right when the likes of you just accept the rubbish being served up.
Exactly. Anyone who cannot see the obvious link between commercial success and success on the pitch is clearly living in the dark ages.
A bar running out of beer on New Years Eve, you literally could not make it up!
[quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: Robert, I drove down so could not drink much but my son is in his 20s and wanted a beer or 2. It's part of the enjoyment. People like you who accept mediocrity are part of the problem. The whole experience was poor yesterday when they needed to get it right. How will they ever need to get it right when the likes of you just accept the rubbish being served up.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Anyone who cannot see the obvious link between commercial success and success on the pitch is clearly living in the dark ages. A bar running out of beer on New Years Eve, you literally could not make it up! Doberman1
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3:04pm Tue 1 Jan 13

phantom14 says...

Forget the frustration off the pitch, what about on it? Pack have improved and I was one of their big critics but are getting better.What frustrated me was that Ospreys found us easy to defend against , our 12 on the crashball is so predictable then we dont do anything off it, he needs to learn to time a pass or offload.It was not working so why not put Dixon on and try something different!! If we wanted to play a kicking game which it looked like we had the wrong 10 on the pitch Robling lost all his confidence and should have been replaced by Jones, nothing to lose, him and Dixon could have varied it up. I have supported the coaches up to now but last night they appeared clueless, if their pr match game plan is not working. Players look overcoached and frightened to play off the cuff.
Forget the frustration off the pitch, what about on it? Pack have improved and I was one of their big critics but are getting better.What frustrated me was that Ospreys found us easy to defend against , our 12 on the crashball is so predictable then we dont do anything off it, he needs to learn to time a pass or offload.It was not working so why not put Dixon on and try something different!! If we wanted to play a kicking game which it looked like we had the wrong 10 on the pitch Robling lost all his confidence and should have been replaced by Jones, nothing to lose, him and Dixon could have varied it up. I have supported the coaches up to now but last night they appeared clueless, if their pr match game plan is not working. Players look overcoached and frightened to play off the cuff. phantom14
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3:19pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Robert Shillabeer says...

phantom14 wrote:
Forget the frustration off the pitch, what about on it? Pack have improved and I was one of their big critics but are getting better.What frustrated me was that Ospreys found us easy to defend against , our 12 on the crashball is so predictable then we dont do anything off it, he needs to learn to time a pass or offload.It was not working so why not put Dixon on and try something different!! If we wanted to play a kicking game which it looked like we had the wrong 10 on the pitch Robling lost all his confidence and should have been replaced by Jones, nothing to lose, him and Dixon could have varied it up. I have supported the coaches up to now but last night they appeared clueless, if their pr match game plan is not working. Players look overcoached and frightened to play off the cuff.
You make some sound judgement about being over coached, they seem to be transfixed with the crash ball instead of playing it out wide through the hands a bit more and producing that seed of doubt into the opposition. The weather doesn't help that sort of game so it was predictable. The Ospreys didn't use thier wings that much either but we did kick away far to much possession and generally lost the airiel ping pong game. And thanks for saying about forgetting the off the pitch nonsence about not being able to get a pint, most go to watch the rugby not drink gallons of beer, that comes after the game.
[quote][p][bold]phantom14[/bold] wrote: Forget the frustration off the pitch, what about on it? Pack have improved and I was one of their big critics but are getting better.What frustrated me was that Ospreys found us easy to defend against , our 12 on the crashball is so predictable then we dont do anything off it, he needs to learn to time a pass or offload.It was not working so why not put Dixon on and try something different!! If we wanted to play a kicking game which it looked like we had the wrong 10 on the pitch Robling lost all his confidence and should have been replaced by Jones, nothing to lose, him and Dixon could have varied it up. I have supported the coaches up to now but last night they appeared clueless, if their pr match game plan is not working. Players look overcoached and frightened to play off the cuff.[/p][/quote]You make some sound judgement about being over coached, they seem to be transfixed with the crash ball instead of playing it out wide through the hands a bit more and producing that seed of doubt into the opposition. The weather doesn't help that sort of game so it was predictable. The Ospreys didn't use thier wings that much either but we did kick away far to much possession and generally lost the airiel ping pong game. And thanks for saying about forgetting the off the pitch nonsence about not being able to get a pint, most go to watch the rugby not drink gallons of beer, that comes after the game. Robert Shillabeer
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3:27pm Tue 1 Jan 13

poolerboy says...

Agree with the comments about lack of vision. There were 2 instances in the first half on our scrum which wheeled to the right and Evans could have gone that way with just him and Harries initially against one Osprey defender, but he went the other way because of a called move. Whatever happened to heads up rugby. Overall though I think the last 2 games have shown an improvment.
Agree with the comments about lack of vision. There were 2 instances in the first half on our scrum which wheeled to the right and Evans could have gone that way with just him and Harries initially against one Osprey defender, but he went the other way because of a called move. Whatever happened to heads up rugby. Overall though I think the last 2 games have shown an improvment. poolerboy
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3:40pm Tue 1 Jan 13

East Newport Dave says...

The biggest disappointment is that we were at home but posed little or no attacking threat. We had some ball but made some poor decisions and kicked some quality possession away. There seemed to be little idea how the opposition could be broken down and the final 10 or so minutes were worrying where we were just resigned to defeat.
The biggest disappointment is that we were at home but posed little or no attacking threat. We had some ball but made some poor decisions and kicked some quality possession away. There seemed to be little idea how the opposition could be broken down and the final 10 or so minutes were worrying where we were just resigned to defeat. East Newport Dave
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4:04pm Tue 1 Jan 13

let em swing says...

Having glanced at he upcoming fixtures, all 4 are winnable if this team showed some rugby sense, DE should stand up and call these next 4 games make or break, and put his job and reputation on the line, it needs someone with a bit of guts to do that, lets see if he is made of something substantial or just another wru muppet.
Having glanced at he upcoming fixtures, all 4 are winnable if this team showed some rugby sense, DE should stand up and call these next 4 games make or break, and put his job and reputation on the line, it needs someone with a bit of guts to do that, lets see if he is made of something substantial or just another wru muppet. let em swing
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5:58pm Tue 1 Jan 13

speakoutnow says...

Agree with most of the comments ...in this age you cannot separate on and off field performance .....the whole match day experience is important.
I honestly think it is a case of players being POORLY coached not just over coached.
I repeat my comments about J Evans'
poor passing...criticise Roblin if you must but most of the ball he got was very, very poor.
Again please look at the positions of players in different areas / situations, they put themselves under pressure match after match through simple errors which could be sorted out by INTELLIGENT coaching.
The coaching situation in Wales needs looking at, too many mediocre people involved at all levels and especially national and regional.... jobs for the boyos!
D E seems a nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys.
To be brutally honest if the standard of rugby in Wales doesn't improve, and quickly then it doesn't matter if the beer is free there won't be many people there to drink it
Agree with most of the comments ...in this age you cannot separate on and off field performance .....the whole match day experience is important. I honestly think it is a case of players being POORLY coached not just over coached. I repeat my comments about J Evans' poor passing...criticise Roblin if you must but most of the ball he got was very, very poor. Again please look at the positions of players in different areas / situations, they put themselves under pressure match after match through simple errors which could be sorted out by INTELLIGENT coaching. The coaching situation in Wales needs looking at, too many mediocre people involved at all levels and especially national and regional.... jobs for the boyos! D E seems a nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys. To be brutally honest if the standard of rugby in Wales doesn't improve, and quickly then it doesn't matter if the beer is free there won't be many people there to drink it speakoutnow
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11:23pm Tue 1 Jan 13

East Newport Dave says...

speakoutnow wrote:
Agree with most of the comments ...in this age you cannot separate on and off field performance .....the whole match day experience is important.
I honestly think it is a case of players being POORLY coached not just over coached.
I repeat my comments about J Evans'
poor passing...criticise Roblin if you must but most of the ball he got was very, very poor.
Again please look at the positions of players in different areas / situations, they put themselves under pressure match after match through simple errors which could be sorted out by INTELLIGENT coaching.
The coaching situation in Wales needs looking at, too many mediocre people involved at all levels and especially national and regional.... jobs for the boyos!
D E seems a nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys.
To be brutally honest if the standard of rugby in Wales doesn't improve, and quickly then it doesn't matter if the beer is free there won't be many people there to drink it
Very good point made. It seems that if an ex-player does his coaching badge he is in. I may have said this before but it tends to be those with a teaching background who make the best coaches. We certainly have a poor selection practising in Wales at present.
[quote][p][bold]speakoutnow[/bold] wrote: Agree with most of the comments ...in this age you cannot separate on and off field performance .....the whole match day experience is important. I honestly think it is a case of players being POORLY coached not just over coached. I repeat my comments about J Evans' poor passing...criticise Roblin if you must but most of the ball he got was very, very poor. Again please look at the positions of players in different areas / situations, they put themselves under pressure match after match through simple errors which could be sorted out by INTELLIGENT coaching. The coaching situation in Wales needs looking at, too many mediocre people involved at all levels and especially national and regional.... jobs for the boyos! D E seems a nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys. To be brutally honest if the standard of rugby in Wales doesn't improve, and quickly then it doesn't matter if the beer is free there won't be many people there to drink it[/p][/quote]Very good point made. It seems that if an ex-player does his coaching badge he is in. I may have said this before but it tends to be those with a teaching background who make the best coaches. We certainly have a poor selection practising in Wales at present. East Newport Dave
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12:49am Wed 2 Jan 13

Robert Shillabeer says...

East Newport Dave wrote:
speakoutnow wrote:
Agree with most of the comments ...in this age you cannot separate on and off field performance .....the whole match day experience is important.
I honestly think it is a case of players being POORLY coached not just over coached.
I repeat my comments about J Evans'
poor passing...criticise Roblin if you must but most of the ball he got was very, very poor.
Again please look at the positions of players in different areas / situations, they put themselves under pressure match after match through simple errors which could be sorted out by INTELLIGENT coaching.
The coaching situation in Wales needs looking at, too many mediocre people involved at all levels and especially national and regional.... jobs for the boyos!
D E seems a nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys.
To be brutally honest if the standard of rugby in Wales doesn't improve, and quickly then it doesn't matter if the beer is free there won't be many people there to drink it
Very good point made. It seems that if an ex-player does his coaching badge he is in. I may have said this before but it tends to be those with a teaching background who make the best coaches. We certainly have a poor selection practising in Wales at present.
Not really a must, but those who come from a background of teaching tend to have the ability to get their point across easier. That however s simply an art not the most requisite thing a good coach needs. There are some very good coaches around who do not come from education backgrounds. Just look at the head coaches at national level and show how many are teachers or lecturers, not any I don't think. What is a must s the ability to get your views across in productive way. The art of coaching is not a mythical thing that is limited to a certain group of people, there are others who can take to it like a duck to water, but not that many.
[quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakoutnow[/bold] wrote: Agree with most of the comments ...in this age you cannot separate on and off field performance .....the whole match day experience is important. I honestly think it is a case of players being POORLY coached not just over coached. I repeat my comments about J Evans' poor passing...criticise Roblin if you must but most of the ball he got was very, very poor. Again please look at the positions of players in different areas / situations, they put themselves under pressure match after match through simple errors which could be sorted out by INTELLIGENT coaching. The coaching situation in Wales needs looking at, too many mediocre people involved at all levels and especially national and regional.... jobs for the boyos! D E seems a nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys. To be brutally honest if the standard of rugby in Wales doesn't improve, and quickly then it doesn't matter if the beer is free there won't be many people there to drink it[/p][/quote]Very good point made. It seems that if an ex-player does his coaching badge he is in. I may have said this before but it tends to be those with a teaching background who make the best coaches. We certainly have a poor selection practising in Wales at present.[/p][/quote]Not really a must, but those who come from a background of teaching tend to have the ability to get their point across easier. That however s simply an art not the most requisite thing a good coach needs. There are some very good coaches around who do not come from education backgrounds. Just look at the head coaches at national level and show how many are teachers or lecturers, not any I don't think. What is a must s the ability to get your views across in productive way. The art of coaching is not a mythical thing that is limited to a certain group of people, there are others who can take to it like a duck to water, but not that many. Robert Shillabeer
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10:04am Wed 2 Jan 13

Warbles says...

Thankfully, the front row is showing signs of improvement. Ok, the shoots are still only just showing but progress is progress. An experieced addition would be increasingly beneficial.

Sidoli was immense with more than able back up from Coombs.

Back row as efficient as ever, just a pity Cudd is not a few inches taller!

Sorry, but Roblin is NOT (never will be) a 10; never really impressed in the position for Newport, centre more likely.

Tuilagi, unfortunately, seems to be a one-trick pony. Why have 'flyers' on the wings when the ball rarely moves past 12.

I am getting increasingly frustrated with Prydie. Really switches on the 'after burners' when chasing back but seems reluctant to do the same going forward, always seems to be waiting for contact. I wish he would just go for it when given the ball.'
Thankfully, the front row is showing signs of improvement. Ok, the shoots are still only just showing but progress is progress. An experieced addition would be increasingly beneficial. Sidoli was immense with more than able back up from Coombs. Back row as efficient as ever, just a pity Cudd is not a few inches taller! Sorry, but Roblin is NOT (never will be) a 10; never really impressed in the position for Newport, centre more likely. Tuilagi, unfortunately, seems to be a one-trick pony. Why have 'flyers' on the wings when the ball rarely moves past 12. I am getting increasingly frustrated with Prydie. Really switches on the 'after burners' when chasing back but seems reluctant to do the same going forward, always seems to be waiting for contact. I wish he would just go for it when given the ball.' Warbles
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12:33pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Gwilym_0 says...

I dont normally comment on here but there are several points that need highlighting.
Clearly there are major differences about what a good performance looks like and what a good match day experience feels like.
Tuesdays performance was poor - better than it has been, but still poor. The pack worked its socks off and the half backs aimlessly kicked the ball away or got easily turned over.
I am quite disturbed at how RP is becoming the graveyard of promising OHs. I thought Tovey was a real international prospect but in his last season and a half (note the dates) he went to pieces and is now way off the radar. Steffan Jones announced himself with a bang against the Blues and his confidence has now gone down the plughole. Robling always looked competent but he is shot now too!
If we had a better, more confident, half back service and hinge the team would use the ball better. All too often kick or crash ball is the only answer because there is no time for anything else.
As for the matchday experience. I grew up in a hotel and we would always make sure that anyone who wanted to spend their money had the chance to with us. Its called good business. RP needs to cater for all the needs of its paying customers because they are the bedrock of what a region needs to be. No supporters no teams - does anyone remember the hated English regions? Where are they now?
Some of the comments here criticising those who complained about the lack of a pint, smack of dreadful complacency. All paying supporters need to be cherished and encouraged..........
.
I dont normally comment on here but there are several points that need highlighting. Clearly there are major differences about what a good performance looks like and what a good match day experience feels like. Tuesdays performance was poor - better than it has been, but still poor. The pack worked its socks off and the half backs aimlessly kicked the ball away or got easily turned over. I am quite disturbed at how RP is becoming the graveyard of promising OHs. I thought Tovey was a real international prospect but in his last season and a half (note the dates) he went to pieces and is now way off the radar. Steffan Jones announced himself with a bang against the Blues and his confidence has now gone down the plughole. Robling always looked competent but he is shot now too! If we had a better, more confident, half back service and hinge the team would use the ball better. All too often kick or crash ball is the only answer because there is no time for anything else. As for the matchday experience. I grew up in a hotel and we would always make sure that anyone who wanted to spend their money had the chance to with us. Its called good business. RP needs to cater for all the needs of its paying customers because they are the bedrock of what a region needs to be. No supporters no teams - does anyone remember the hated English regions? Where are they now? Some of the comments here criticising those who complained about the lack of a pint, smack of dreadful complacency. All paying supporters need to be cherished and encouraged.......... . Gwilym_0
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3:13pm Wed 2 Jan 13

broadsworddan says...

There is a big problem with understaffing the bars in the hazel stand particularly. Also, the younger bar staff appear to be very poorly trained, often standing around waiting for the till when they could be pouring beer for the next person. Robert, if you don't like beer, that is your choice but other people do. Unfortunately, the enormous queues have put me and my family off having a drink on many occasion.

Better preparation and organisation could yield significantly higher takings on the bar.
There is a big problem with understaffing the bars in the hazel stand particularly. Also, the younger bar staff appear to be very poorly trained, often standing around waiting for the till when they could be pouring beer for the next person. Robert, if you don't like beer, that is your choice but other people do. Unfortunately, the enormous queues have put me and my family off having a drink on many occasion. Better preparation and organisation could yield significantly higher takings on the bar. broadsworddan
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5:02pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Robert Shillabeer says...

broadsworddan wrote:
There is a big problem with understaffing the bars in the hazel stand particularly. Also, the younger bar staff appear to be very poorly trained, often standing around waiting for the till when they could be pouring beer for the next person. Robert, if you don't like beer, that is your choice but other people do. Unfortunately, the enormous queues have put me and my family off having a drink on many occasion.

Better preparation and organisation could yield significantly higher takings on the bar.
I like a pint as much as anyone, had a couple on match day, one before and one after along with my son in law who had three or four, I was driving, and a few mates one of which was also driving so he too didn't drink more than one or two. My point was most people go to a game for the rugby and a drink is only an add on and I guess there are lots who went didn't drink as they had a long old drive home. What do most go to a game for, the rugby or the beer, a little of the later is only a bonus.
[quote][p][bold]broadsworddan[/bold] wrote: There is a big problem with understaffing the bars in the hazel stand particularly. Also, the younger bar staff appear to be very poorly trained, often standing around waiting for the till when they could be pouring beer for the next person. Robert, if you don't like beer, that is your choice but other people do. Unfortunately, the enormous queues have put me and my family off having a drink on many occasion. Better preparation and organisation could yield significantly higher takings on the bar.[/p][/quote]I like a pint as much as anyone, had a couple on match day, one before and one after along with my son in law who had three or four, I was driving, and a few mates one of which was also driving so he too didn't drink more than one or two. My point was most people go to a game for the rugby and a drink is only an add on and I guess there are lots who went didn't drink as they had a long old drive home. What do most go to a game for, the rugby or the beer, a little of the later is only a bonus. Robert Shillabeer
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8:47pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Euwan Usami says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
broadsworddan wrote:
There is a big problem with understaffing the bars in the hazel stand particularly. Also, the younger bar staff appear to be very poorly trained, often standing around waiting for the till when they could be pouring beer for the next person. Robert, if you don't like beer, that is your choice but other people do. Unfortunately, the enormous queues have put me and my family off having a drink on many occasion.

Better preparation and organisation could yield significantly higher takings on the bar.
I like a pint as much as anyone, had a couple on match day, one before and one after along with my son in law who had three or four, I was driving, and a few mates one of which was also driving so he too didn't drink more than one or two. My point was most people go to a game for the rugby and a drink is only an add on and I guess there are lots who went didn't drink as they had a long old drive home. What do most go to a game for, the rugby or the beer, a little of the later is only a bonus.
I know quite a few that get completely bladdered before, during and after the games tbh. There is a whole row of them in front of us every match. I don't actually bother myself. I go purely for the game and usual drink coffee or tea because a cold drink doesn't temp me when it's already freezing. Having said that I agree the queues for beer were shocking and affected a lot of fans matchday experience and that can never be a good thing.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]broadsworddan[/bold] wrote: There is a big problem with understaffing the bars in the hazel stand particularly. Also, the younger bar staff appear to be very poorly trained, often standing around waiting for the till when they could be pouring beer for the next person. Robert, if you don't like beer, that is your choice but other people do. Unfortunately, the enormous queues have put me and my family off having a drink on many occasion. Better preparation and organisation could yield significantly higher takings on the bar.[/p][/quote]I like a pint as much as anyone, had a couple on match day, one before and one after along with my son in law who had three or four, I was driving, and a few mates one of which was also driving so he too didn't drink more than one or two. My point was most people go to a game for the rugby and a drink is only an add on and I guess there are lots who went didn't drink as they had a long old drive home. What do most go to a game for, the rugby or the beer, a little of the later is only a bonus.[/p][/quote]I know quite a few that get completely bladdered before, during and after the games tbh. There is a whole row of them in front of us every match. I don't actually bother myself. I go purely for the game and usual drink coffee or tea because a cold drink doesn't temp me when it's already freezing. Having said that I agree the queues for beer were shocking and affected a lot of fans matchday experience and that can never be a good thing. Euwan Usami
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8:52pm Wed 2 Jan 13

speakoutnow says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
East Newport Dave wrote:
speakoutnow wrote:
Agree with most of the comments ...in this age you cannot separate on and off field performance .....the whole match day experience is important.
I honestly think it is a case of players being POORLY coached not just over coached.
I repeat my comments about J Evans'
poor passing...criticise Roblin if you must but most of the ball he got was very, very poor.
Again please look at the positions of players in different areas / situations, they put themselves under pressure match after match through simple errors which could be sorted out by INTELLIGENT coaching.
The coaching situation in Wales needs looking at, too many mediocre people involved at all levels and especially national and regional.... jobs for the boyos!
D E seems a nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys.
To be brutally honest if the standard of rugby in Wales doesn't improve, and quickly then it doesn't matter if the beer is free there won't be many people there to drink it
Very good point made. It seems that if an ex-player does his coaching badge he is in. I may have said this before but it tends to be those with a teaching background who make the best coaches. We certainly have a poor selection practising in Wales at present.
Not really a must, but those who come from a background of teaching tend to have the ability to get their point across easier. That however s simply an art not the most requisite thing a good coach needs. There are some very good coaches around who do not come from education backgrounds. Just look at the head coaches at national level and show how many are teachers or lecturers, not any I don't think. What is a must s the ability to get your views across in productive way. The art of coaching is not a mythical thing that is limited to a certain group of people, there are others who can take to it like a duck to water, but not that many.
Well Robert if you are going to use the head coaches at the top national level in Wales then I think you have shot yourself in the foot.
Apart from Gatland the rest are not up to the job and have somehow missed out on several levels to jump to the very top!
How Howley has got as far as he has amazes me....I believe he is classified as the Welsh Team's Attack Coach....a misnomer if there ever was one!
Let's be honest Shane Williams saved his bacon time after time and since he has retired we have been bereft of ideas in attack.
I have been involved in coaching for over 40 years and have come across many very highly qualified WRU coaches who were absolutely useless but could "talk the talk"
I repeat players are not usually "over coached" they are just BADLY coached.and unfortunately I think this is the case with the Dragons.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakoutnow[/bold] wrote: Agree with most of the comments ...in this age you cannot separate on and off field performance .....the whole match day experience is important. I honestly think it is a case of players being POORLY coached not just over coached. I repeat my comments about J Evans' poor passing...criticise Roblin if you must but most of the ball he got was very, very poor. Again please look at the positions of players in different areas / situations, they put themselves under pressure match after match through simple errors which could be sorted out by INTELLIGENT coaching. The coaching situation in Wales needs looking at, too many mediocre people involved at all levels and especially national and regional.... jobs for the boyos! D E seems a nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys. To be brutally honest if the standard of rugby in Wales doesn't improve, and quickly then it doesn't matter if the beer is free there won't be many people there to drink it[/p][/quote]Very good point made. It seems that if an ex-player does his coaching badge he is in. I may have said this before but it tends to be those with a teaching background who make the best coaches. We certainly have a poor selection practising in Wales at present.[/p][/quote]Not really a must, but those who come from a background of teaching tend to have the ability to get their point across easier. That however s simply an art not the most requisite thing a good coach needs. There are some very good coaches around who do not come from education backgrounds. Just look at the head coaches at national level and show how many are teachers or lecturers, not any I don't think. What is a must s the ability to get your views across in productive way. The art of coaching is not a mythical thing that is limited to a certain group of people, there are others who can take to it like a duck to water, but not that many.[/p][/quote]Well Robert if you are going to use the head coaches at the top national level in Wales then I think you have shot yourself in the foot. Apart from Gatland the rest are not up to the job and have somehow missed out on several levels to jump to the very top! How Howley has got as far as he has amazes me....I believe he is classified as the Welsh Team's Attack Coach....a misnomer if there ever was one! Let's be honest Shane Williams saved his bacon time after time and since he has retired we have been bereft of ideas in attack. I have been involved in coaching for over 40 years and have come across many very highly qualified WRU coaches who were absolutely useless but could "talk the talk" I repeat players are not usually "over coached" they are just BADLY coached.and unfortunately I think this is the case with the Dragons. speakoutnow
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11:09pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Robert Shillabeer says...

speakoutnow wrote:
Robert Shillabeer wrote:
East Newport Dave wrote:
speakoutnow wrote:
Agree with most of the comments ...in this age you cannot separate on and off field performance .....the whole match day experience is important.
I honestly think it is a case of players being POORLY coached not just over coached.
I repeat my comments about J Evans'
poor passing...criticise Roblin if you must but most of the ball he got was very, very poor.
Again please look at the positions of players in different areas / situations, they put themselves under pressure match after match through simple errors which could be sorted out by INTELLIGENT coaching.
The coaching situation in Wales needs looking at, too many mediocre people involved at all levels and especially national and regional.... jobs for the boyos!
D E seems a nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys.
To be brutally honest if the standard of rugby in Wales doesn't improve, and quickly then it doesn't matter if the beer is free there won't be many people there to drink it
Very good point made. It seems that if an ex-player does his coaching badge he is in. I may have said this before but it tends to be those with a teaching background who make the best coaches. We certainly have a poor selection practising in Wales at present.
Not really a must, but those who come from a background of teaching tend to have the ability to get their point across easier. That however s simply an art not the most requisite thing a good coach needs. There are some very good coaches around who do not come from education backgrounds. Just look at the head coaches at national level and show how many are teachers or lecturers, not any I don't think. What is a must s the ability to get your views across in productive way. The art of coaching is not a mythical thing that is limited to a certain group of people, there are others who can take to it like a duck to water, but not that many.
Well Robert if you are going to use the head coaches at the top national level in Wales then I think you have shot yourself in the foot.
Apart from Gatland the rest are not up to the job and have somehow missed out on several levels to jump to the very top!
How Howley has got as far as he has amazes me....I believe he is classified as the Welsh Team's Attack Coach....a misnomer if there ever was one!
Let's be honest Shane Williams saved his bacon time after time and since he has retired we have been bereft of ideas in attack.
I have been involved in coaching for over 40 years and have come across many very highly qualified WRU coaches who were absolutely useless but could "talk the talk"
I repeat players are not usually "over coached" they are just BADLY coached.and unfortunately I think this is the case with the Dragons.
Tend to agree about the current Welsh coaches, apart from Gatland and Shaun Edwards they have not been anything like successful in any sort of coaching field before getting a seat at the top table. Like any head coach at regional level all have had some experience along the way by coaching at lower levels or in support of more experienced coaches as part of the learning curve to their current positions apart from the Scarlets head coach who in fairness coached a Llanelli junior side.
[quote][p][bold]speakoutnow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speakoutnow[/bold] wrote: Agree with most of the comments ...in this age you cannot separate on and off field performance .....the whole match day experience is important. I honestly think it is a case of players being POORLY coached not just over coached. I repeat my comments about J Evans' poor passing...criticise Roblin if you must but most of the ball he got was very, very poor. Again please look at the positions of players in different areas / situations, they put themselves under pressure match after match through simple errors which could be sorted out by INTELLIGENT coaching. The coaching situation in Wales needs looking at, too many mediocre people involved at all levels and especially national and regional.... jobs for the boyos! D E seems a nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys. To be brutally honest if the standard of rugby in Wales doesn't improve, and quickly then it doesn't matter if the beer is free there won't be many people there to drink it[/p][/quote]Very good point made. It seems that if an ex-player does his coaching badge he is in. I may have said this before but it tends to be those with a teaching background who make the best coaches. We certainly have a poor selection practising in Wales at present.[/p][/quote]Not really a must, but those who come from a background of teaching tend to have the ability to get their point across easier. That however s simply an art not the most requisite thing a good coach needs. There are some very good coaches around who do not come from education backgrounds. Just look at the head coaches at national level and show how many are teachers or lecturers, not any I don't think. What is a must s the ability to get your views across in productive way. The art of coaching is not a mythical thing that is limited to a certain group of people, there are others who can take to it like a duck to water, but not that many.[/p][/quote]Well Robert if you are going to use the head coaches at the top national level in Wales then I think you have shot yourself in the foot. Apart from Gatland the rest are not up to the job and have somehow missed out on several levels to jump to the very top! How Howley has got as far as he has amazes me....I believe he is classified as the Welsh Team's Attack Coach....a misnomer if there ever was one! Let's be honest Shane Williams saved his bacon time after time and since he has retired we have been bereft of ideas in attack. I have been involved in coaching for over 40 years and have come across many very highly qualified WRU coaches who were absolutely useless but could "talk the talk" I repeat players are not usually "over coached" they are just BADLY coached.and unfortunately I think this is the case with the Dragons.[/p][/quote]Tend to agree about the current Welsh coaches, apart from Gatland and Shaun Edwards they have not been anything like successful in any sort of coaching field before getting a seat at the top table. Like any head coach at regional level all have had some experience along the way by coaching at lower levels or in support of more experienced coaches as part of the learning curve to their current positions apart from the Scarlets head coach who in fairness coached a Llanelli junior side. Robert Shillabeer
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