Dragons pull logo campaign

Dragons pull logo campaign

STAYING: The current logo

BINNED: Option one

BINNED: Option two

BINNED: Option three

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NEWPORT Gwent Dragons have decided to abort their supporters’ vote for a new crest less than 24 hours after it began.

The Rodney Parade region have pulled the campaign in an embarrassing climbdown after receiving negative feedback.

There have been 2,234 votes since the yourdragons.co.uk website went live at 6pm yesterday but the current logo - which has been on the jersey since 2003 - will remain next season.

The idea opened up a can of worms, firing up the rival factions that argue for a return to just Newport or for the region simply to called the Dragons.

A statement to supporters reads: “Yesterday we launched the ‘Your Dragons’ campaign, an initiative aimed at asking you, the supporter, to choose the new Newport Gwent Dragons logo for next season.

“We launched the campaign with the best intentions of providing you with the opportunity to choose the logo you enjoyed the most.

“Yet in light of the vast amount of feedback we have received from the Newport Gwent Dragons community, we have unanimously learned that the logos do not resonate with you in the way in which they were intended.

“As a result, we have decided to withdraw the campaign and will continue to use the current Newport Gwent Dragons logo for next season.

“Your feedback is always highly valuable to us and we hope that our swift response demonstrates our commitment to your thoughts.”

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10:04am Fri 2 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Back to the future, and quick smart too. The shower that is the rugby administration in this country waxes lyrical about maximising revenues and sustainable futures, and its about time they grew a pair and did something about it: back to a 'brand' (ugh) that worked, Newport RFC.

Whether you agree with me or not, one thing is certain: this schizo confection cannot continue. This debate has lasted 11 years, its highly likely it'll last for the foreseeable.
Back to the future, and quick smart too. The shower that is the rugby administration in this country waxes lyrical about maximising revenues and sustainable futures, and its about time they grew a pair and did something about it: back to a 'brand' (ugh) that worked, Newport RFC. Whether you agree with me or not, one thing is certain: this schizo confection cannot continue. This debate has lasted 11 years, its highly likely it'll last for the foreseeable. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 9

10:23am Fri 2 May 14

broadsworddan says...

A well intentioned, good idea spoilt by a load of childish internet trolls who can't agree on the colour of snow. Grow up you bunch of plonkers!
A well intentioned, good idea spoilt by a load of childish internet trolls who can't agree on the colour of snow. Grow up you bunch of plonkers! broadsworddan
  • Score: 35

10:36am Fri 2 May 14

The Nose says...

This rebranding campaign has had as much thought put into it as "what topping shall i have on my pizza tonight". What a waste on time and money!!! Congratulation on imbarassing Gwent Rugby further.
This should have been done properly the first time round! Either Newport should have evolved as a region in its own right, or embraced the Gwent concept fully. Instead we are left with a half baked brand which eont work all the way up untill NPGDragons are bankrupt.
JOKE!! Your going to have to start slashing your ticket prices in half if you want to think about filling rodneh parade in future!
This rebranding campaign has had as much thought put into it as "what topping shall i have on my pizza tonight". What a waste on time and money!!! Congratulation on imbarassing Gwent Rugby further. This should have been done properly the first time round! Either Newport should have evolved as a region in its own right, or embraced the Gwent concept fully. Instead we are left with a half baked brand which eont work all the way up untill NPGDragons are bankrupt. JOKE!! Your going to have to start slashing your ticket prices in half if you want to think about filling rodneh parade in future! The Nose
  • Score: 14

10:46am Fri 2 May 14

The Nose says...

PS Someone should get fired here "cough, cough Ben Geoffreys" + the fool resposible for requesting his services. Probably an 'i'll get my mate who has no idea about branding or graphic design to do it' scenario! Keep the money in the family culture.
GET A GRIP. Your killing rugby for the future!
PS Someone should get fired here "cough, cough Ben Geoffreys" + the fool resposible for requesting his services. Probably an 'i'll get my mate who has no idea about branding or graphic design to do it' scenario! Keep the money in the family culture. GET A GRIP. Your killing rugby for the future! The Nose
  • Score: 6

10:55am Fri 2 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

The Nose wrote:
This rebranding campaign has had as much thought put into it as "what topping shall i have on my pizza tonight". What a waste on time and money!!! Congratulation on imbarassing Gwent Rugby further.
This should have been done properly the first time round! Either Newport should have evolved as a region in its own right, or embraced the Gwent concept fully. Instead we are left with a half baked brand which eont work all the way up untill NPGDragons are bankrupt.
JOKE!! Your going to have to start slashing your ticket prices in half if you want to think about filling rodneh parade in future!
Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]The Nose[/bold] wrote: This rebranding campaign has had as much thought put into it as "what topping shall i have on my pizza tonight". What a waste on time and money!!! Congratulation on imbarassing Gwent Rugby further. This should have been done properly the first time round! Either Newport should have evolved as a region in its own right, or embraced the Gwent concept fully. Instead we are left with a half baked brand which eont work all the way up untill NPGDragons are bankrupt. JOKE!! Your going to have to start slashing your ticket prices in half if you want to think about filling rodneh parade in future![/p][/quote]Spot on. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 3

12:22pm Fri 2 May 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

It cold only happen in Gwent.........sorry Newport.
It cold only happen in Gwent.........sorry Newport. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: -2

12:44pm Fri 2 May 14

Risca1 says...

It all seems to be a total shambles from start to finish. A PR disaster all round.
It all seems to be a total shambles from start to finish. A PR disaster all round. Risca1
  • Score: 12

12:48pm Fri 2 May 14

The Nose says...

broadsworddan wrote:
A well intentioned, good idea spoilt by a load of childish internet trolls who can't agree on the colour of snow. Grow up you bunch of plonkers!
THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENT!!
[quote][p][bold]broadsworddan[/bold] wrote: A well intentioned, good idea spoilt by a load of childish internet trolls who can't agree on the colour of snow. Grow up you bunch of plonkers![/p][/quote]THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENT!! The Nose
  • Score: 2

1:10pm Fri 2 May 14

Dai Trying says...

The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Back to the future, and quick smart too. The shower that is the rugby administration in this country waxes lyrical about maximising revenues and sustainable futures, and its about time they grew a pair and did something about it: back to a 'brand' (ugh) that worked, Newport RFC.

Whether you agree with me or not, one thing is certain: this schizo confection cannot continue. This debate has lasted 11 years, its highly likely it'll last for the foreseeable.
The Newport brand works no better than many others Pontypool RFC, Cross Keys RFC, Bedwas RFC are just some of many examples.
[quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: Back to the future, and quick smart too. The shower that is the rugby administration in this country waxes lyrical about maximising revenues and sustainable futures, and its about time they grew a pair and did something about it: back to a 'brand' (ugh) that worked, Newport RFC. Whether you agree with me or not, one thing is certain: this schizo confection cannot continue. This debate has lasted 11 years, its highly likely it'll last for the foreseeable.[/p][/quote]The Newport brand works no better than many others Pontypool RFC, Cross Keys RFC, Bedwas RFC are just some of many examples. Dai Trying
  • Score: -1

1:32pm Fri 2 May 14

Mr Bump. says...

Sack Lynn Jones.
Sack Lynn Jones. Mr Bump.
  • Score: -9

2:54pm Fri 2 May 14

silurix says...

I agree with broadsworddan on this. Did the online survey have any constraints on who could vote or was it open to anyone who wanted to vote? If the latter then I would fully expect the nutter & negativity brigade to be out in force. The biggest mouths on the internet are rarely the brightest or best. If it was restricted in some way e.g. season ticket holders only, then the fuss raised does not bode well.
I agree with broadsworddan on this. Did the online survey have any constraints on who could vote or was it open to anyone who wanted to vote? If the latter then I would fully expect the nutter & negativity brigade to be out in force. The biggest mouths on the internet are rarely the brightest or best. If it was restricted in some way e.g. season ticket holders only, then the fuss raised does not bode well. silurix
  • Score: 14

3:03pm Fri 2 May 14

Gwent rugby says...

Well said Mr Bump. Previous coaches/management haven't always got it right but not renewing so many of young players contracts & signing old has beens that won't be playing long is ridiculous. Signing experience is 1 thing but you also need the young players to ensure a bright future for our region!!
Well said Mr Bump. Previous coaches/management haven't always got it right but not renewing so many of young players contracts & signing old has beens that won't be playing long is ridiculous. Signing experience is 1 thing but you also need the young players to ensure a bright future for our region!! Gwent rugby
  • Score: -3

3:12pm Fri 2 May 14

Caerleonboy says...

Please calm down everyone! Yes it is a bit embarrassing for the club, but it's only a logo, and they did the right thing in asking supporters what their opinions were. There wasn't much change in the new logos, just different fonts and colours. The name wasn't going to change anyway. It's better that they asked supporters their opinions rather than just changing it without consultation, like Cardiff City did. Imagine the uproar if they changed the logo and then had to revert back to the old one.
Please calm down everyone! Yes it is a bit embarrassing for the club, but it's only a logo, and they did the right thing in asking supporters what their opinions were. There wasn't much change in the new logos, just different fonts and colours. The name wasn't going to change anyway. It's better that they asked supporters their opinions rather than just changing it without consultation, like Cardiff City did. Imagine the uproar if they changed the logo and then had to revert back to the old one. Caerleonboy
  • Score: 11

3:33pm Fri 2 May 14

Caerleonboy says...

Gwent rugby wrote:
Well said Mr Bump. Previous coaches/management haven't always got it right but not renewing so many of young players contracts & signing old has beens that won't be playing long is ridiculous. Signing experience is 1 thing but you also need the young players to ensure a bright future for our region!!
Umm, have you seen the Wales under 20s squad? 11 Dragons players. Plus look at the Dragons squad and there are actually quite a few young players, eg. Amos (19), Prydie(22), Dixon(19), Tyler Morgan(18), Wardle(23), Tovey(25, still relatively young), Jon Evans (21), Luc Jones(19), Faletau(23), Cudd(25), Jevon Groves and Lewis Evans(both 26, a bit older yes but not a has been), Cory Hill(22), Screech(21), Elliot Dee(20). Plus of our props, Buck, Coundley, Price and Owen Evans are all 25 or under, which is young in propping years. Whilst I would have preferred to see the likes of Sam Parry, Will Harries and Adam Hughes stay, there are not many decent young players whose contracts are not being renewed, and the experience of the new signings is vital alongside such a young team. Age shouldn't be a barrier, just look at Brian O'Driscoll, Shane Williams, Nathan Hines etc.
[quote][p][bold]Gwent rugby[/bold] wrote: Well said Mr Bump. Previous coaches/management haven't always got it right but not renewing so many of young players contracts & signing old has beens that won't be playing long is ridiculous. Signing experience is 1 thing but you also need the young players to ensure a bright future for our region!![/p][/quote]Umm, have you seen the Wales under 20s squad? 11 Dragons players. Plus look at the Dragons squad and there are actually quite a few young players, eg. Amos (19), Prydie(22), Dixon(19), Tyler Morgan(18), Wardle(23), Tovey(25, still relatively young), Jon Evans (21), Luc Jones(19), Faletau(23), Cudd(25), Jevon Groves and Lewis Evans(both 26, a bit older yes but not a has been), Cory Hill(22), Screech(21), Elliot Dee(20). Plus of our props, Buck, Coundley, Price and Owen Evans are all 25 or under, which is young in propping years. Whilst I would have preferred to see the likes of Sam Parry, Will Harries and Adam Hughes stay, there are not many decent young players whose contracts are not being renewed, and the experience of the new signings is vital alongside such a young team. Age shouldn't be a barrier, just look at Brian O'Driscoll, Shane Williams, Nathan Hines etc. Caerleonboy
  • Score: 15

6:03pm Fri 2 May 14

The Nose says...

silurix wrote:
I agree with broadsworddan on this. Did the online survey have any constraints on who could vote or was it open to anyone who wanted to vote? If the latter then I would fully expect the nutter & negativity brigade to be out in force. The biggest mouths on the internet are rarely the brightest or best. If it was restricted in some way e.g. season ticket holders only, then the fuss raised does not bode well.
SILURIX, even the survey was poorly thought out. As you suspect, anyone could vote. Not only that it was made possible to vote more than once. It reminds me of when they did an 'open suggestion survey' on who to name the bridge outside wembley after. The biggest vote was for scott gibbs!!
If you want to rebrand a team to capture the imaginations of a united gwent, be a bit braver and go for something like The Silurians. It would be better than The Dragons. A famed warrior people who controlled pretty much the same territory. Rugby fans can relate to a fierce tribal culture.
[quote][p][bold]silurix[/bold] wrote: I agree with broadsworddan on this. Did the online survey have any constraints on who could vote or was it open to anyone who wanted to vote? If the latter then I would fully expect the nutter & negativity brigade to be out in force. The biggest mouths on the internet are rarely the brightest or best. If it was restricted in some way e.g. season ticket holders only, then the fuss raised does not bode well.[/p][/quote]SILURIX, even the survey was poorly thought out. As you suspect, anyone could vote. Not only that it was made possible to vote more than once. It reminds me of when they did an 'open suggestion survey' on who to name the bridge outside wembley after. The biggest vote was for scott gibbs!! If you want to rebrand a team to capture the imaginations of a united gwent, be a bit braver and go for something like The Silurians. It would be better than The Dragons. A famed warrior people who controlled pretty much the same territory. Rugby fans can relate to a fierce tribal culture. The Nose
  • Score: 6

6:32pm Fri 2 May 14

Richard Bateman says...

As long as they stay at Rodney Parade they will always be Newport.
As long as they stay at Rodney Parade they will always be Newport. Richard Bateman
  • Score: 7

6:50pm Fri 2 May 14

mep says...

Richard Bateman wrote:
As long as they stay at Rodney Parade they will always be Newport.
Long live NEWPORT RUGBY.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Bateman[/bold] wrote: As long as they stay at Rodney Parade they will always be Newport.[/p][/quote]Long live NEWPORT RUGBY. mep
  • Score: -3

6:55pm Fri 2 May 14

blackandamber says...

There is a simple answer to this question and that is let the region publish the geographical area over the last ten years of where the bulk of season ticket holders come from. I wont hold my breath though.
There is a simple answer to this question and that is let the region publish the geographical area over the last ten years of where the bulk of season ticket holders come from. I wont hold my breath though. blackandamber
  • Score: 7

6:57pm Fri 2 May 14

blackandamber says...

Richard Bateman wrote:
As long as they stay at Rodney Parade they will always be Newport.
Well where else could they play?
[quote][p][bold]Richard Bateman[/bold] wrote: As long as they stay at Rodney Parade they will always be Newport.[/p][/quote]Well where else could they play? blackandamber
  • Score: 12

7:13pm Fri 2 May 14

Amber in the blood says...

Richard Bateman wrote:
As long as they stay at Rodney Parade they will always be Newport.
They are NEWPORT - like Lyn Jones, Mr Bateman and the rest of the valley people and Ben,there is a clue in the name.

NEWPORT gwent dragons
Play in BLACK AND AMBER the crowds will come the money will roll in,Its not rocket science.

WHO LET THE DOGS OUT
[quote][p][bold]Richard Bateman[/bold] wrote: As long as they stay at Rodney Parade they will always be Newport.[/p][/quote]They are NEWPORT - like Lyn Jones, Mr Bateman and the rest of the valley people and Ben,there is a clue in the name. NEWPORT gwent dragons Play in BLACK AND AMBER the crowds will come the money will roll in,Its not rocket science. WHO LET THE DOGS OUT Amber in the blood
  • Score: 2

8:06pm Fri 2 May 14

hazellboy says...

Amber in the blood wrote:
Richard Bateman wrote:
As long as they stay at Rodney Parade they will always be Newport.
They are NEWPORT - like Lyn Jones, Mr Bateman and the rest of the valley people and Ben,there is a clue in the name.

NEWPORT gwent dragons
Play in BLACK AND AMBER the crowds will come the money will roll in,Its not rocket science.

WHO LET THE DOGS OUT
time to see sense , at this moment we are getting stuffed by the scarlets who we all know are Llanelli lets stop all this dragons crap and re brand as Newport RFC , can any money men interested (mr brown included) get a dream team of Teichman and Howarth in charge and pack jones off back to darkest Neath
[quote][p][bold]Amber in the blood[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richard Bateman[/bold] wrote: As long as they stay at Rodney Parade they will always be Newport.[/p][/quote]They are NEWPORT - like Lyn Jones, Mr Bateman and the rest of the valley people and Ben,there is a clue in the name. NEWPORT gwent dragons Play in BLACK AND AMBER the crowds will come the money will roll in,Its not rocket science. WHO LET THE DOGS OUT[/p][/quote]time to see sense , at this moment we are getting stuffed by the scarlets who we all know are Llanelli lets stop all this dragons crap and re brand as Newport RFC , can any money men interested (mr brown included) get a dream team of Teichman and Howarth in charge and pack jones off back to darkest Neath hazellboy
  • Score: 5

11:14pm Fri 2 May 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

mep wrote:
Richard Bateman wrote:
As long as they stay at Rodney Parade they will always be Newport.
Long live NEWPORT RUGBY.
The root of the problem.
[quote][p][bold]mep[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richard Bateman[/bold] wrote: As long as they stay at Rodney Parade they will always be Newport.[/p][/quote]Long live NEWPORT RUGBY.[/p][/quote]The root of the problem. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: -3

4:54am Sat 3 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
mep wrote:
Richard Bateman wrote:
As long as they stay at Rodney Parade they will always be Newport.
Long live NEWPORT RUGBY.
The root of the problem.
The solution.
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mep[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richard Bateman[/bold] wrote: As long as they stay at Rodney Parade they will always be Newport.[/p][/quote]Long live NEWPORT RUGBY.[/p][/quote]The root of the problem.[/p][/quote]The solution. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: -1

5:23pm Sat 3 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Dai Trying wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Back to the future, and quick smart too. The shower that is the rugby administration in this country waxes lyrical about maximising revenues and sustainable futures, and its about time they grew a pair and did something about it: back to a 'brand' (ugh) that worked, Newport RFC.

Whether you agree with me or not, one thing is certain: this schizo confection cannot continue. This debate has lasted 11 years, its highly likely it'll last for the foreseeable.
The Newport brand works no better than many others Pontypool RFC, Cross Keys RFC, Bedwas RFC are just some of many examples.
Disingenuous and deluded.

What preceded NGD? What the were the average attendances? What of the season ticket numbers? Nothing in the professional age has come close to matching what Newport RFC had in place from 1998 onwards, and, historically, no club in Gwent has come close to matching our history, accomplishments, reach and profile. Fact, fact, fact and fact.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Trying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: Back to the future, and quick smart too. The shower that is the rugby administration in this country waxes lyrical about maximising revenues and sustainable futures, and its about time they grew a pair and did something about it: back to a 'brand' (ugh) that worked, Newport RFC. Whether you agree with me or not, one thing is certain: this schizo confection cannot continue. This debate has lasted 11 years, its highly likely it'll last for the foreseeable.[/p][/quote]The Newport brand works no better than many others Pontypool RFC, Cross Keys RFC, Bedwas RFC are just some of many examples.[/p][/quote]Disingenuous and deluded. What preceded NGD? What the were the average attendances? What of the season ticket numbers? Nothing in the professional age has come close to matching what Newport RFC had in place from 1998 onwards, and, historically, no club in Gwent has come close to matching our history, accomplishments, reach and profile. Fact, fact, fact and fact. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 2

8:19pm Sat 3 May 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

All Newport teams were composed of Gwent valley players. That is the only reason you have a history. In recent years alone,where would NEWPORT
gwent dragons have been without the Pontypool-developed Lloyd Burns, Andrew Coombs and Toby Faletau? Attitudes like yours will cut off the hand that feeds you if you are not careful.
All Newport teams were composed of Gwent valley players. That is the only reason you have a history. In recent years alone,where would NEWPORT gwent dragons have been without the Pontypool-developed Lloyd Burns, Andrew Coombs and Toby Faletau? Attitudes like yours will cut off the hand that feeds you if you are not careful. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: 4

11:47pm Sat 3 May 14

Curly17 says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
All Newport teams were composed of Gwent valley players. That is the only reason you have a history. In recent years alone,where would NEWPORT gwent dragons have been without the Pontypool-developed Lloyd Burns, Andrew Coombs and Toby Faletau? Attitudes like yours will cut off the hand that feeds you if you are not careful.
You already bite the hand. And they bite it pretty hard and are incredibly greedy in doing so. If your clubs want Gwent so much then they should turn up and try to buy Newport OR the WRU out. As it is, Newport have been keeping this shower afloat for the last 11 years, weather you like it or not, that's what has happened. However, they have had 11 years to do this and yet, surprise, surprise, no one has. I wonder why. Ebbw couldn't afford it and when they had it once they caused a part of this balls up. Pontypool can't afford it, Bedwas can't, Keys can't. Amateur clubs who want a say in professional business. Only in Welsh Rugby can this happen. Welsh Rugby is a joke, as is the regional system that we've been lumped with.
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: All Newport teams were composed of Gwent valley players. That is the only reason you have a history. In recent years alone,where would NEWPORT gwent dragons have been without the Pontypool-developed Lloyd Burns, Andrew Coombs and Toby Faletau? Attitudes like yours will cut off the hand that feeds you if you are not careful.[/p][/quote]You already bite the hand. And they bite it pretty hard and are incredibly greedy in doing so. If your clubs want Gwent so much then they should turn up and try to buy Newport OR the WRU out. As it is, Newport have been keeping this shower afloat for the last 11 years, weather you like it or not, that's what has happened. However, they have had 11 years to do this and yet, surprise, surprise, no one has. I wonder why. Ebbw couldn't afford it and when they had it once they caused a part of this balls up. Pontypool can't afford it, Bedwas can't, Keys can't. Amateur clubs who want a say in professional business. Only in Welsh Rugby can this happen. Welsh Rugby is a joke, as is the regional system that we've been lumped with. Curly17
  • Score: 5

10:21am Sun 4 May 14

silurix says...

The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Dai Trying wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Back to the future, and quick smart too. The shower that is the rugby administration in this country waxes lyrical about maximising revenues and sustainable futures, and its about time they grew a pair and did something about it: back to a 'brand' (ugh) that worked, Newport RFC.

Whether you agree with me or not, one thing is certain: this schizo confection cannot continue. This debate has lasted 11 years, its highly likely it'll last for the foreseeable.
The Newport brand works no better than many others Pontypool RFC, Cross Keys RFC, Bedwas RFC are just some of many examples.
Disingenuous and deluded.

What preceded NGD? What the were the average attendances? What of the season ticket numbers? Nothing in the professional age has come close to matching what Newport RFC had in place from 1998 onwards, and, historically, no club in Gwent has come close to matching our history, accomplishments, reach and profile. Fact, fact, fact and fact.
Newport, Ebbw Vale, Pontypool, Crosskeys, Bedwas, Caerphilly preceded NGD.
At that time Newport RFC were generously funded by Mr Brown.
At that time there was economic prosperity.
At that time they played in competitions that were less competitive than those which NGD compete in.

It's no surprise that Newport did better and therefore attendances increased. Those conditions no longer apply. To assert that merely changing the name back to "Newport" would restore the former success of Newport RFC could also be classed as disingenuous and delusional.
You have no right to expect Mr Brown to keep pouring his personal wealth into the region and without that wealth , the region is unlikely to emulate the relative success of Newport RFC.

Nobody is denying the prominent role of Newport in Gwent Rugby history and their importance to the region. In the absence of the level of funding formerly available to Newport RFC it makes sense to widen the support base within the region. NGD are in a hell of a difficult position - spouting glib solutions creates more heat than light.
[quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Trying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: Back to the future, and quick smart too. The shower that is the rugby administration in this country waxes lyrical about maximising revenues and sustainable futures, and its about time they grew a pair and did something about it: back to a 'brand' (ugh) that worked, Newport RFC. Whether you agree with me or not, one thing is certain: this schizo confection cannot continue. This debate has lasted 11 years, its highly likely it'll last for the foreseeable.[/p][/quote]The Newport brand works no better than many others Pontypool RFC, Cross Keys RFC, Bedwas RFC are just some of many examples.[/p][/quote]Disingenuous and deluded. What preceded NGD? What the were the average attendances? What of the season ticket numbers? Nothing in the professional age has come close to matching what Newport RFC had in place from 1998 onwards, and, historically, no club in Gwent has come close to matching our history, accomplishments, reach and profile. Fact, fact, fact and fact.[/p][/quote]Newport, Ebbw Vale, Pontypool, Crosskeys, Bedwas, Caerphilly preceded NGD. At that time Newport RFC were generously funded by Mr Brown. At that time there was economic prosperity. At that time they played in competitions that were less competitive than those which NGD compete in. It's no surprise that Newport did better and therefore attendances increased. Those conditions no longer apply. To assert that merely changing the name back to "Newport" would restore the former success of Newport RFC could also be classed as disingenuous and delusional. You have no right to expect Mr Brown to keep pouring his personal wealth into the region and without that wealth , the region is unlikely to emulate the relative success of Newport RFC. Nobody is denying the prominent role of Newport in Gwent Rugby history and their importance to the region. In the absence of the level of funding formerly available to Newport RFC it makes sense to widen the support base within the region. NGD are in a hell of a difficult position - spouting glib solutions creates more heat than light. silurix
  • Score: 4

11:12am Sun 4 May 14

Dai Trying says...

The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Dai Trying wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Back to the future, and quick smart too. The shower that is the rugby administration in this country waxes lyrical about maximising revenues and sustainable futures, and its about time they grew a pair and did something about it: back to a 'brand' (ugh) that worked, Newport RFC.

Whether you agree with me or not, one thing is certain: this schizo confection cannot continue. This debate has lasted 11 years, its highly likely it'll last for the foreseeable.
The Newport brand works no better than many others Pontypool RFC, Cross Keys RFC, Bedwas RFC are just some of many examples.
Disingenuous and deluded.

What preceded NGD? What the were the average attendances? What of the season ticket numbers? Nothing in the professional age has come close to matching what Newport RFC had in place from 1998 onwards, and, historically, no club in Gwent has come close to matching our history, accomplishments, reach and profile. Fact, fact, fact and fact.
Key word here is "history", what we need to concentrate on is the future, the future is Dragons Rugby.
[quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Trying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: Back to the future, and quick smart too. The shower that is the rugby administration in this country waxes lyrical about maximising revenues and sustainable futures, and its about time they grew a pair and did something about it: back to a 'brand' (ugh) that worked, Newport RFC. Whether you agree with me or not, one thing is certain: this schizo confection cannot continue. This debate has lasted 11 years, its highly likely it'll last for the foreseeable.[/p][/quote]The Newport brand works no better than many others Pontypool RFC, Cross Keys RFC, Bedwas RFC are just some of many examples.[/p][/quote]Disingenuous and deluded. What preceded NGD? What the were the average attendances? What of the season ticket numbers? Nothing in the professional age has come close to matching what Newport RFC had in place from 1998 onwards, and, historically, no club in Gwent has come close to matching our history, accomplishments, reach and profile. Fact, fact, fact and fact.[/p][/quote]Key word here is "history", what we need to concentrate on is the future, the future is Dragons Rugby. Dai Trying
  • Score: 2

1:04pm Sun 4 May 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

The fact is ALL gwent sides (with a small 'g' to placate the Newport people and board) can argue they have a history. Some have arguably been more successful than others. Some have produced more talent than others for so-called 'bigger' sides to profit from the 'smaller' ones' efforts in developing players.
Usually success is linked to cash available. Often this relies heavily on a benefactor. Those days are almost over. Teams need to be smart and build a modern brand that generates revenue. (They need to choose marketing people very carefully too!!!) Harping on about a 3 - 0 victory over the All Blacks fifty years ago is useless and unproductive talk. We need to look to the future not the past. Glancing at this weekend's world-wide rugby results of successful nations gives us a clue...........Chief
s V Lions, Bulls V Cheetahs, Reds V Blues. These sides couldn't give a toss about a drop goal victory fifty years ago. What matters is bums on seats, the here and now and especially the future.
The fact is ALL gwent sides (with a small 'g' to placate the Newport people and board) can argue they have a history. Some have arguably been more successful than others. Some have produced more talent than others for so-called 'bigger' sides to profit from the 'smaller' ones' efforts in developing players. Usually success is linked to cash available. Often this relies heavily on a benefactor. Those days are almost over. Teams need to be smart and build a modern brand that generates revenue. (They need to choose marketing people very carefully too!!!) Harping on about a 3 - 0 victory over the All Blacks fifty years ago is useless and unproductive talk. We need to look to the future not the past. Glancing at this weekend's world-wide rugby results of successful nations gives us a clue...........Chief s V Lions, Bulls V Cheetahs, Reds V Blues. These sides couldn't give a toss about a drop goal victory fifty years ago. What matters is bums on seats, the here and now and especially the future. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: 0

2:12pm Wed 7 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Dai Trying wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Dai Trying wrote:
The People's Republic of Newp wrote:
Back to the future, and quick smart too. The shower that is the rugby administration in this country waxes lyrical about maximising revenues and sustainable futures, and its about time they grew a pair and did something about it: back to a 'brand' (ugh) that worked, Newport RFC.

Whether you agree with me or not, one thing is certain: this schizo confection cannot continue. This debate has lasted 11 years, its highly likely it'll last for the foreseeable.
The Newport brand works no better than many others Pontypool RFC, Cross Keys RFC, Bedwas RFC are just some of many examples.
Disingenuous and deluded.

What preceded NGD? What the were the average attendances? What of the season ticket numbers? Nothing in the professional age has come close to matching what Newport RFC had in place from 1998 onwards, and, historically, no club in Gwent has come close to matching our history, accomplishments, reach and profile. Fact, fact, fact and fact.
Key word here is "history", what we need to concentrate on is the future, the future is Dragons Rugby.
That last sentence make you sound a little like Mao Tse Tung. What was 2003, 'Year Zero'?
[quote][p][bold]Dai Trying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Trying[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The People's Republic of Newp[/bold] wrote: Back to the future, and quick smart too. The shower that is the rugby administration in this country waxes lyrical about maximising revenues and sustainable futures, and its about time they grew a pair and did something about it: back to a 'brand' (ugh) that worked, Newport RFC. Whether you agree with me or not, one thing is certain: this schizo confection cannot continue. This debate has lasted 11 years, its highly likely it'll last for the foreseeable.[/p][/quote]The Newport brand works no better than many others Pontypool RFC, Cross Keys RFC, Bedwas RFC are just some of many examples.[/p][/quote]Disingenuous and deluded. What preceded NGD? What the were the average attendances? What of the season ticket numbers? Nothing in the professional age has come close to matching what Newport RFC had in place from 1998 onwards, and, historically, no club in Gwent has come close to matching our history, accomplishments, reach and profile. Fact, fact, fact and fact.[/p][/quote]Key word here is "history", what we need to concentrate on is the future, the future is Dragons Rugby.[/p][/quote]That last sentence make you sound a little like Mao Tse Tung. What was 2003, 'Year Zero'? The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: -1

2:14pm Wed 7 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
The fact is ALL gwent sides (with a small 'g' to placate the Newport people and board) can argue they have a history. Some have arguably been more successful than others. Some have produced more talent than others for so-called 'bigger' sides to profit from the 'smaller' ones' efforts in developing players.
Usually success is linked to cash available. Often this relies heavily on a benefactor. Those days are almost over. Teams need to be smart and build a modern brand that generates revenue. (They need to choose marketing people very carefully too!!!) Harping on about a 3 - 0 victory over the All Blacks fifty years ago is useless and unproductive talk. We need to look to the future not the past. Glancing at this weekend's world-wide rugby results of successful nations gives us a clue...........Chief

s V Lions, Bulls V Cheetahs, Reds V Blues. These sides couldn't give a toss about a drop goal victory fifty years ago. What matters is bums on seats, the here and now and especially the future.
All monikers based exclusively on well-esatblished regional identities, something - the odd county match aside - anathema to Welsh rugby.
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: The fact is ALL gwent sides (with a small 'g' to placate the Newport people and board) can argue they have a history. Some have arguably been more successful than others. Some have produced more talent than others for so-called 'bigger' sides to profit from the 'smaller' ones' efforts in developing players. Usually success is linked to cash available. Often this relies heavily on a benefactor. Those days are almost over. Teams need to be smart and build a modern brand that generates revenue. (They need to choose marketing people very carefully too!!!) Harping on about a 3 - 0 victory over the All Blacks fifty years ago is useless and unproductive talk. We need to look to the future not the past. Glancing at this weekend's world-wide rugby results of successful nations gives us a clue...........Chief s V Lions, Bulls V Cheetahs, Reds V Blues. These sides couldn't give a toss about a drop goal victory fifty years ago. What matters is bums on seats, the here and now and especially the future.[/p][/quote]All monikers based exclusively on well-esatblished regional identities, something - the odd county match aside - anathema to Welsh rugby. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 1

4:07pm Sat 10 May 14

noddy says...

Nothing ever changes 11 years on & Nuport still don't understand alienating a massive fan base is plain daft. Hopefully you'll go bust you & a valley's team will replace you.
Best wishes .
Nothing ever changes 11 years on & Nuport still don't understand alienating a massive fan base is plain daft. Hopefully you'll go bust you & a valley's team will replace you. Best wishes . noddy
  • Score: 0

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