Munster 33 Dragons 13

NEWPORT Gwent Dragons’ long drought over the Irish Sea continues after they were overpowered by Munster 33-13 in Limerick.

The Dragons have not won in Ireland since 2008 and, while they played with plenty of spirit and tenacity, never looked likely to secure a shock RaboDirect Pro12 success at Thomond Park.

They did, however, produce a performance that was an improvement on last weekend’s home loss to Cardiff Blues, even if the scoreline doesn’t suggest it.

The Dragons made the worse possible start when Munster wings Simon Zebo and Doug Howlett combined to put full-back Ian Keatley over after just 90 seconds.

Ireland and Lions fly-half Ronan O’Gara converted and added more extras when he improved flanker Niall Ronan’s score after 14 minutes, Zebo again the architect.

One feared a mauling at the hands of Munster but the Dragons dug deep and reduced the deficit to 14-6 at the break thanks to penalties by Tom Prydie and Lewis Robling, who took over the kicking duties after a pair of misses from the winger.

However, the hosts quickly stretched away after the break thanks to scores by Conor Murray and Simon Zebo while Dan Way was in the sin bin.

It was 26-6 with a quarter of the game remaining yet the Dragons showed spirit to come firing back and even threaten to earn an unlikely bonus point.

First full-back Dan Evans went over for his fourth try of the season and the visitors then nearly went over on a number of occasions after attacking with patience.

But hopes of a bonus point were extinguished when Tommy O’Donnell finished a flowing move to make it 33-13 with seven minutes left.

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10:21pm Sat 22 Sep 12

CaptainB says...

Well Darren, where do we go from here?

We beat the lowly Italians on their first outing.

Leinster stuffed us when we should have got a couple of bonus points.

The Blues took all the spoils at Rodney Parade in a dismal display.

Now twenty points behind a fairly mediocre Munster team.

Madame Guilotine beckons for you my son!!!

I don't think Applecart will be able to pull the season back, come in Kingsley Jones!!!!
Well Darren, where do we go from here? We beat the lowly Italians on their first outing. Leinster stuffed us when we should have got a couple of bonus points. The Blues took all the spoils at Rodney Parade in a dismal display. Now twenty points behind a fairly mediocre Munster team. Madame Guilotine beckons for you my son!!! I don't think Applecart will be able to pull the season back, come in Kingsley Jones!!!! CaptainB

10:27pm Sat 22 Sep 12

cdfdragon says...

Season after season the fans are forced to accept utter rubbish!

Season after season we are promised so much by the coaches and players and yet they always fail!

It's absolutely pathetic, Darren Edwards should never have been given the job. He's so out of his depth it's embarrassing!
Season after season the fans are forced to accept utter rubbish! Season after season we are promised so much by the coaches and players and yet they always fail! It's absolutely pathetic, Darren Edwards should never have been given the job. He's so out of his depth it's embarrassing! cdfdragon

10:53pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Euwan Usami says...

cdfdragon wrote:
Season after season the fans are forced to accept utter rubbish!

Season after season we are promised so much by the coaches and players and yet they always fail!

It's absolutely pathetic, Darren Edwards should never have been given the job. He's so out of his depth it's embarrassing!
The result was never in doubt really was it? Munster were stronger everywhere as expected. Thier scramble defence was excellent s aving two certain try's. People can look for positives and say if only but half way through the second half Munster made two subs to increase thier intensity because they weren't happy with their performance. It could have been worse in other words.
The Edinburgh game Sat looks key now. They pushed Leinster close today so won't be a push over but lose that one and with the Scarlets away to follow its hard to see where the next point is comming from.
[quote][p][bold]cdfdragon[/bold] wrote: Season after season the fans are forced to accept utter rubbish! Season after season we are promised so much by the coaches and players and yet they always fail! It's absolutely pathetic, Darren Edwards should never have been given the job. He's so out of his depth it's embarrassing![/p][/quote]The result was never in doubt really was it? Munster were stronger everywhere as expected. Thier scramble defence was excellent s aving two certain try's. People can look for positives and say if only but half way through the second half Munster made two subs to increase thier intensity because they weren't happy with their performance. It could have been worse in other words. The Edinburgh game Sat looks key now. They pushed Leinster close today so won't be a push over but lose that one and with the Scarlets away to follow its hard to see where the next point is comming from. Euwan Usami

11:30pm Sat 22 Sep 12

cdfdragon says...

Euwan Usami wrote:
cdfdragon wrote: Season after season the fans are forced to accept utter rubbish! Season after season we are promised so much by the coaches and players and yet they always fail! It's absolutely pathetic, Darren Edwards should never have been given the job. He's so out of his depth it's embarrassing!
The result was never in doubt really was it? Munster were stronger everywhere as expected. Thier scramble defence was excellent s aving two certain try's. People can look for positives and say if only but half way through the second half Munster made two subs to increase thier intensity because they weren't happy with their performance. It could have been worse in other words. The Edinburgh game Sat looks key now. They pushed Leinster close today so won't be a push over but lose that one and with the Scarlets away to follow its hard to see where the next point is comming from.
No wonder the board get away with letting the region go down the toilet fans are content with a 20 point thrashing in a crucial league game!
[quote][p][bold]Euwan Usami[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cdfdragon[/bold] wrote: Season after season the fans are forced to accept utter rubbish! Season after season we are promised so much by the coaches and players and yet they always fail! It's absolutely pathetic, Darren Edwards should never have been given the job. He's so out of his depth it's embarrassing![/p][/quote]The result was never in doubt really was it? Munster were stronger everywhere as expected. Thier scramble defence was excellent s aving two certain try's. People can look for positives and say if only but half way through the second half Munster made two subs to increase thier intensity because they weren't happy with their performance. It could have been worse in other words. The Edinburgh game Sat looks key now. They pushed Leinster close today so won't be a push over but lose that one and with the Scarlets away to follow its hard to see where the next point is comming from.[/p][/quote]No wonder the board get away with letting the region go down the toilet fans are content with a 20 point thrashing in a crucial league game! cdfdragon

1:20am Sun 23 Sep 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Captain B you lost the argument the second you showed disrespect by using the insult of getting names wrong, you also lost any respect your overall comments may have warented, sad but true insults don't win arguments. Yes it was a disappointing result but not unduly unexpected. Your right to expect a bit more is understandable but to lash out with personal insults is petty in the extreme. As far Edinburgh are concerned that's another game so let's hope lessons have been learned.
Captain B you lost the argument the second you showed disrespect by using the insult of getting names wrong, you also lost any respect your overall comments may have warented, sad but true insults don't win arguments. Yes it was a disappointing result but not unduly unexpected. Your right to expect a bit more is understandable but to lash out with personal insults is petty in the extreme. As far Edinburgh are concerned that's another game so let's hope lessons have been learned. Robert Shillabeer

8:27am Sun 23 Sep 12

East Newport Dave says...

Business as usual for the Dragons. When the likes of Munster play us they know that it will be comfortable and so they can give the squad a run out. Before the game Edwards spoke about using wide open spaces. He still has not grasped the fact that the front five and good ball is the catalyst for expansive rugby. I spoke recently to someone 'in the know' who said that Darren Edwards was just a WRU puppet. It suits the WRU to have him in place because he does what they want which is probably to use the Dragons for player development. The disappointing thing is that thousands of Dragons supporters are being hoodwinked into thinking that we are a genuinely competitive region. Connacht are better run, better coached and will soon pass the Dragons in terms of attendances. All so disappointing when you consider what we had as the Newport club side under Mackintosh and then the newly formed region under Ruddock. Now we've got Boy Wonder! There's not much further to fall but I predict one or two 50-70 point hidings are around the corner - sorry!
Business as usual for the Dragons. When the likes of Munster play us they know that it will be comfortable and so they can give the squad a run out. Before the game Edwards spoke about using wide open spaces. He still has not grasped the fact that the front five and good ball is the catalyst for expansive rugby. I spoke recently to someone 'in the know' who said that Darren Edwards was just a WRU puppet. It suits the WRU to have him in place because he does what they want which is probably to use the Dragons for player development. The disappointing thing is that thousands of Dragons supporters are being hoodwinked into thinking that we are a genuinely competitive region. Connacht are better run, better coached and will soon pass the Dragons in terms of attendances. All so disappointing when you consider what we had as the Newport club side under Mackintosh and then the newly formed region under Ruddock. Now we've got Boy Wonder! There's not much further to fall but I predict one or two 50-70 point hidings are around the corner - sorry! East Newport Dave

8:46am Sun 23 Sep 12

Doberman1 says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Captain B you lost the argument the second you showed disrespect by using the insult of getting names wrong, you also lost any respect your overall comments may have warented, sad but true insults don't win arguments. Yes it was a disappointing result but not unduly unexpected. Your right to expect a bit more is understandable but to lash out with personal insults is petty in the extreme. As far Edinburgh are concerned that's another game so let's hope lessons have been learned.
Yup, let's just keep hoping for an improvement, do nothing & just hope. And then after another abysmal season lets just hope for a better one next.
Why don't we all hope (& pray) that the DE nightmare is soon over and if nothing else we see a coach in situ who can at least deliver some professionalism to the playing effort. Kingsley for me but if not anyone other than the current encumbent.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: Captain B you lost the argument the second you showed disrespect by using the insult of getting names wrong, you also lost any respect your overall comments may have warented, sad but true insults don't win arguments. Yes it was a disappointing result but not unduly unexpected. Your right to expect a bit more is understandable but to lash out with personal insults is petty in the extreme. As far Edinburgh are concerned that's another game so let's hope lessons have been learned.[/p][/quote]Yup, let's just keep hoping for an improvement, do nothing & just hope. And then after another abysmal season lets just hope for a better one next. Why don't we all hope (& pray) that the DE nightmare is soon over and if nothing else we see a coach in situ who can at least deliver some professionalism to the playing effort. Kingsley for me but if not anyone other than the current encumbent. Doberman1

8:48am Sun 23 Sep 12

the dork says...

NOT SO GREAT
NOT SO GREAT the dork

8:48am Sun 23 Sep 12

the dork says...

NOT SO GREAT
NOT SO GREAT the dork

11:20am Sun 23 Sep 12

Rugby Warrior Paulo says...

Anyone notice if the midfield players even showed up?
If this is the Dragons idea of representing the City?

Personally I wonder if whatever happens next will be too little too late.
Anyone notice if the midfield players even showed up? If this is the Dragons idea of representing the City? Personally I wonder if whatever happens next will be too little too late. Rugby Warrior Paulo

11:41am Sun 23 Sep 12

Euwan Usami says...

cdfdragon wrote:
Euwan Usami wrote:
cdfdragon wrote: Season after season the fans are forced to accept utter rubbish! Season after season we are promised so much by the coaches and players and yet they always fail! It's absolutely pathetic, Darren Edwards should never have been given the job. He's so out of his depth it's embarrassing!
The result was never in doubt really was it? Munster were stronger everywhere as expected. Thier scramble defence was excellent s aving two certain try's. People can look for positives and say if only but half way through the second half Munster made two subs to increase thier intensity because they weren't happy with their performance. It could have been worse in other words. The Edinburgh game Sat looks key now. They pushed Leinster close today so won't be a push over but lose that one and with the Scarlets away to follow its hard to see where the next point is comming from.
No wonder the board get away with letting the region go down the toilet fans are content with a 20 point thrashing in a crucial league game!
I doubt anyone is content to be fair. I also doubt I am the only supporter who saw this result comming. This wasn't a crucial fixture; crucial fixtures are games you target as must wins. If there is anyone out there that though the Dragons could win this one then I hope this result serves as a wake up call. Edinburgh is a crucial fixture. We can win that game. I would hold off with the complete despair until after the game maybe. :)
[quote][p][bold]cdfdragon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Euwan Usami[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cdfdragon[/bold] wrote: Season after season the fans are forced to accept utter rubbish! Season after season we are promised so much by the coaches and players and yet they always fail! It's absolutely pathetic, Darren Edwards should never have been given the job. He's so out of his depth it's embarrassing![/p][/quote]The result was never in doubt really was it? Munster were stronger everywhere as expected. Thier scramble defence was excellent s aving two certain try's. People can look for positives and say if only but half way through the second half Munster made two subs to increase thier intensity because they weren't happy with their performance. It could have been worse in other words. The Edinburgh game Sat looks key now. They pushed Leinster close today so won't be a push over but lose that one and with the Scarlets away to follow its hard to see where the next point is comming from.[/p][/quote]No wonder the board get away with letting the region go down the toilet fans are content with a 20 point thrashing in a crucial league game![/p][/quote]I doubt anyone is content to be fair. I also doubt I am the only supporter who saw this result comming. This wasn't a crucial fixture; crucial fixtures are games you target as must wins. If there is anyone out there that though the Dragons could win this one then I hope this result serves as a wake up call. Edinburgh is a crucial fixture. We can win that game. I would hold off with the complete despair until after the game maybe. :) Euwan Usami

11:58am Sun 23 Sep 12

East Newport Dave says...

The Dragons should beat Edinburgh but they are well coached and have clever patterns of play. There's the difference. I predict a ten point defeat and no points again.
The Dragons should beat Edinburgh but they are well coached and have clever patterns of play. There's the difference. I predict a ten point defeat and no points again. East Newport Dave

12:11pm Sun 23 Sep 12

Dai the Milk says...

Newport RFC supporters are unhappy. The rest of Gwent is unhappy. Crowds are non existent and no crowds mean no money. There is no atmosphere on match day. The side is treading water if not slowly drowning. The team is everyone's whipping boy............ Now I am a positive man. It needs ripping up and everyone in Gwent needs to get around a table and talk before competitive and meaningful rugby becomes a thing of the past in this part of the world. Ignore this advice at your peril.
Newport RFC supporters are unhappy. The rest of Gwent is unhappy. Crowds are non existent and no crowds mean no money. There is no atmosphere on match day. The side is treading water if not slowly drowning. The team is everyone's whipping boy............ Now I am a positive man. It needs ripping up and everyone in Gwent needs to get around a table and talk before competitive and meaningful rugby becomes a thing of the past in this part of the world. Ignore this advice at your peril. Dai the Milk

12:19pm Sun 23 Sep 12

pooles says...

Sad state of affairs, No direction, No plan for change by looks & No future at this rate -- What a disaster. I used to attend 2 years ago with a Min group of 10 of us & we are now down to 3 -- People are fed up and bored of the same old same old
Sad state of affairs, No direction, No plan for change by looks & No future at this rate -- What a disaster. I used to attend 2 years ago with a Min group of 10 of us & we are now down to 3 -- People are fed up and bored of the same old same old pooles

12:40pm Sun 23 Sep 12

East Newport Dave says...

The most important position in the club is Coach. When Mike Ruddock was at the Dragons we had what was a weak squad on paper. He got the best out of the players. Never mind paying a fortune on players, be willing to pay a six figure salary for a world class coach who will get the best out of his players. there will also be less inclination for the better players to leave.
The most important position in the club is Coach. When Mike Ruddock was at the Dragons we had what was a weak squad on paper. He got the best out of the players. Never mind paying a fortune on players, be willing to pay a six figure salary for a world class coach who will get the best out of his players. there will also be less inclination for the better players to leave. East Newport Dave

2:02pm Sun 23 Sep 12

Euwan Usami says...

Dai the Milk wrote:
Newport RFC supporters are unhappy. The rest of Gwent is unhappy. Crowds are non existent and no crowds mean no money. There is no atmosphere on match day. The side is treading water if not slowly drowning. The team is everyone's whipping boy............ Now I am a positive man. It needs ripping up and everyone in Gwent needs to get around a table and talk before competitive and meaningful rugby becomes a thing of the past in this part of the world. Ignore this advice at your peril.
Don't mean to be rude Dai but are you confusing Newport RFC with the Dragons? Gates are still around what they were last season for both but the region gets the bigger crowds obviously. I understand why everyone is throwing their toys out at the moment but its still early. We have played the two big Irish sides away and got turned over again as we always do. The Cardiff game was the big let down. If the Edinburgh game goes the same way then DE may be on borrowed time but is there the money to attract a good coach or a coach willing to take on the team struggling as they are with no extra cash available?
[quote][p][bold]Dai the Milk[/bold] wrote: Newport RFC supporters are unhappy. The rest of Gwent is unhappy. Crowds are non existent and no crowds mean no money. There is no atmosphere on match day. The side is treading water if not slowly drowning. The team is everyone's whipping boy............ Now I am a positive man. It needs ripping up and everyone in Gwent needs to get around a table and talk before competitive and meaningful rugby becomes a thing of the past in this part of the world. Ignore this advice at your peril.[/p][/quote]Don't mean to be rude Dai but are you confusing Newport RFC with the Dragons? Gates are still around what they were last season for both but the region gets the bigger crowds obviously. I understand why everyone is throwing their toys out at the moment but its still early. We have played the two big Irish sides away and got turned over again as we always do. The Cardiff game was the big let down. If the Edinburgh game goes the same way then DE may be on borrowed time but is there the money to attract a good coach or a coach willing to take on the team struggling as they are with no extra cash available? Euwan Usami

2:19pm Sun 23 Sep 12

Euwan Usami says...

East Newport Dave wrote:
The Dragons should beat Edinburgh but they are well coached and have clever patterns of play. There's the difference. I predict a ten point defeat and no points again.
Yes you might be right Dave, they pushed Leinster close. The Cardiff game was key for us, DE and co must have looked at the fixtures and targeted key matches. Resting Lydiate from the Leinster game for the Cardiff fixture tells you how they were thinking. After the poor display DE looked haunted again in the post match interview. He did say "Things don't get any easier from here." Which makes me think he realises how far away they are from where they hoped to be.
[quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: The Dragons should beat Edinburgh but they are well coached and have clever patterns of play. There's the difference. I predict a ten point defeat and no points again.[/p][/quote]Yes you might be right Dave, they pushed Leinster close. The Cardiff game was key for us, DE and co must have looked at the fixtures and targeted key matches. Resting Lydiate from the Leinster game for the Cardiff fixture tells you how they were thinking. After the poor display DE looked haunted again in the post match interview. He did say "Things don't get any easier from here." Which makes me think he realises how far away they are from where they hoped to be. Euwan Usami

2:29pm Sun 23 Sep 12

SWBorderer says...

I kept quiet before the game, but once again last week we had the same dairtribe from coach and players about how they were all "fired up" and determined. We even had Pat Leach telling us how pleased he was with the way his season is going, is he playing for someone else in disguise because I haven't seen much to be pleased about.
No doubt this week we'll be told how well training is going and how "the Lads" are determine to get it right this time.
Cut out the talk fellas and try doing the walk.
The only walk for Darren should be out of the gates for good, when I remember how people told us what an improvement he was over Paul Turner it really makes my blood boil.
No doubt Dan and Toby have already got their plans in motion for their end of season exit.
I kept quiet before the game, but once again last week we had the same dairtribe from coach and players about how they were all "fired up" and determined. We even had Pat Leach telling us how pleased he was with the way his season is going, is he playing for someone else in disguise because I haven't seen much to be pleased about. No doubt this week we'll be told how well training is going and how "the Lads" are determine to get it right this time. Cut out the talk fellas and try doing the walk. The only walk for Darren should be out of the gates for good, when I remember how people told us what an improvement he was over Paul Turner it really makes my blood boil. No doubt Dan and Toby have already got their plans in motion for their end of season exit. SWBorderer

6:26pm Sun 23 Sep 12

GazzaH says...

This is probably the last post from me. You could paste the same set of comments for almost every match. Most of us have been calling for a "wind of change" to blow through RP. After another all too familiar start we haven't seen so much as a breeze!. Edinburgh have targeted this game as a 5 pointer and will be up for it. I hope to see the Dragons playing with passion and pride, even though it won't be enough.
This is probably the last post from me. You could paste the same set of comments for almost every match. Most of us have been calling for a "wind of change" to blow through RP. After another all too familiar start we haven't seen so much as a breeze!. Edinburgh have targeted this game as a 5 pointer and will be up for it. I hope to see the Dragons playing with passion and pride, even though it won't be enough. GazzaH

8:25pm Sun 23 Sep 12

Dai the Milk says...

Euwan, no I am not!! This was supposed to be a combined Gwent side with representation from Newport and the other clubs.
Euwan, no I am not!! This was supposed to be a combined Gwent side with representation from Newport and the other clubs. Dai the Milk

10:33pm Sun 23 Sep 12

gwentexiles says...

Dai the milk why does everyone in Gwent need to get around a table, the dragons have alienated the rest of Gwent! Bedwas, Cross keys and Newport need to solve this for you cos that's the only clubs this pitiful region is interested in. As for competitive meaningful rugby becoming a thing of the past, Throughout Wales for all but the supporters of 4 clubs it did long ago!
Dai the milk why does everyone in Gwent need to get around a table, the dragons have alienated the rest of Gwent! Bedwas, Cross keys and Newport need to solve this for you cos that's the only clubs this pitiful region is interested in. As for competitive meaningful rugby becoming a thing of the past, Throughout Wales for all but the supporters of 4 clubs it did long ago! gwentexiles

11:14pm Sun 23 Sep 12

kalwales@hotmail.com says...

Loves reading the cpmments by everyone on here but i must say you are all missing the point (apart from Gwebttextiles, who i agree with 100%) its the Board and the very well educated people behind the scenes who sit on their **** copy and pasting my comments and emailing them to me to defere the fact that they cannot run a region, the players are not to blame its because there is a bunch of freeloaders behind the scenes who are there for teh freebies and not for YOU - The Fans (p.s) Region Staff i know your reading this and i DONT CARE IF YOU GET ME BANNED AGAIN or if you Copy and Paste this post to me on email cos you dont like the truth ALSO in closing "SORT THE JERSEYS OUT FOR YOUR FANS OR RISK LOSING MORE FANS THAT YOU HAVE" - No wonder the Region is getting a larger group of alienated fans and ex-fans and fans stay away BOARD STAND UP AND SPEAK TO YORU FANS FACE TO FACE NOT BY EMAIL !!
Loves reading the cpmments by everyone on here but i must say you are all missing the point (apart from Gwebttextiles, who i agree with 100%) its the Board and the very well educated people behind the scenes who sit on their **** copy and pasting my comments and emailing them to me to defere the fact that they cannot run a region, the players are not to blame its because there is a bunch of freeloaders behind the scenes who are there for teh freebies and not for YOU - The Fans (p.s) Region Staff i know your reading this and i DONT CARE IF YOU GET ME BANNED AGAIN or if you Copy and Paste this post to me on email cos you dont like the truth ALSO in closing "SORT THE JERSEYS OUT FOR YOUR FANS OR RISK LOSING MORE FANS THAT YOU HAVE" - No wonder the Region is getting a larger group of alienated fans and ex-fans and fans stay away BOARD STAND UP AND SPEAK TO YORU FANS FACE TO FACE NOT BY EMAIL !! kalwales@hotmail.com

12:49am Mon 24 Sep 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Where is kalwales from St Cadox come to mind, there that's my thoughts on someone who has had a bad experience with the Argus and Dragons management at some time. The point not coming out is imagine the management saying we have no hope of winning the next game and then trying to motivate his team to play at half the required standard, it would mean a total loss of any chance of getting a team to turn up let alone play.

The truth is the head coach uses a bit of kidology to instil a bit of grit into his team and the belief that they can compete and with true professionals that means quite a bit of kidology. Deep down the coach knew it was a hard task but he tried to prepare his charges for the task and mental attitude plays such a huge part he must use every chance to get the minds right as well the body.
Where is kalwales from St Cadox come to mind, there that's my thoughts on someone who has had a bad experience with the Argus and Dragons management at some time. The point not coming out is imagine the management saying we have no hope of winning the next game and then trying to motivate his team to play at half the required standard, it would mean a total loss of any chance of getting a team to turn up let alone play. The truth is the head coach uses a bit of kidology to instil a bit of grit into his team and the belief that they can compete and with true professionals that means quite a bit of kidology. Deep down the coach knew it was a hard task but he tried to prepare his charges for the task and mental attitude plays such a huge part he must use every chance to get the minds right as well the body. Robert Shillabeer

6:54am Mon 24 Sep 12

CaptainB says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Captain B you lost the argument the second you showed disrespect by using the insult of getting names wrong, you also lost any respect your overall comments may have warented, sad but true insults don't win arguments.

Robert Shillabeer says...
12:49am Mon 24 Sep 12
Where is kalwales from St Cadox come to mind,

Apart from spelling St Cadocs incorrectly, Pot calling the Kettle black comes to mind!!!!!!!
Robert Shillabeer wrote: Captain B you lost the argument the second you showed disrespect by using the insult of getting names wrong, you also lost any respect your overall comments may have warented, sad but true insults don't win arguments. Robert Shillabeer says... 12:49am Mon 24 Sep 12 Where is kalwales from St Cadox come to mind, Apart from spelling St Cadocs incorrectly, Pot calling the Kettle black comes to mind!!!!!!! CaptainB

7:11am Mon 24 Sep 12

kalwales@hotmail.com says...

Thanks Guys but nope im not from St Cadoc's, i just like to speak from teh heart as i wear my heart on my sleeve and live in the real world, i do beleive Darren has to foot some of the blame however the Management Team and Board behind the scenes need to stand up and take their share of the blame, I WAS a fan of your region but quickly realised that certain people are in it for themselves not YOU the Fans who realy matter but 1 day you will all see my point but for now im happy to take the banter on the chin :-)
Thanks Guys but nope im not from St Cadoc's, i just like to speak from teh heart as i wear my heart on my sleeve and live in the real world, i do beleive Darren has to foot some of the blame however the Management Team and Board behind the scenes need to stand up and take their share of the blame, I WAS a fan of your region but quickly realised that certain people are in it for themselves not YOU the Fans who realy matter but 1 day you will all see my point but for now im happy to take the banter on the chin :-) kalwales@hotmail.com

8:45am Mon 24 Sep 12

Doberman1 says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Where is kalwales from St Cadox come to mind, there that's my thoughts on someone who has had a bad experience with the Argus and Dragons management at some time. The point not coming out is imagine the management saying we have no hope of winning the next game and then trying to motivate his team to play at half the required standard, it would mean a total loss of any chance of getting a team to turn up let alone play.

The truth is the head coach uses a bit of kidology to instil a bit of grit into his team and the belief that they can compete and with true professionals that means quite a bit of kidology. Deep down the coach knew it was a hard task but he tried to prepare his charges for the task and mental attitude plays such a huge part he must use every chance to get the minds right as well the body.
So we are now reverting to kidology to get the players to perform, well that's OK then. For the next game lets try some more alternative techniques.....hypno
therapy, crystal chakra therapy, reiki, tibetian singing therapy. Alternatively why not be a bit more traditional and get a coach who can get players to perform to their full potential the good old fashioned way.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: Where is kalwales from St Cadox come to mind, there that's my thoughts on someone who has had a bad experience with the Argus and Dragons management at some time. The point not coming out is imagine the management saying we have no hope of winning the next game and then trying to motivate his team to play at half the required standard, it would mean a total loss of any chance of getting a team to turn up let alone play. The truth is the head coach uses a bit of kidology to instil a bit of grit into his team and the belief that they can compete and with true professionals that means quite a bit of kidology. Deep down the coach knew it was a hard task but he tried to prepare his charges for the task and mental attitude plays such a huge part he must use every chance to get the minds right as well the body.[/p][/quote]So we are now reverting to kidology to get the players to perform, well that's OK then. For the next game lets try some more alternative techniques.....hypno therapy, crystal chakra therapy, reiki, tibetian singing therapy. Alternatively why not be a bit more traditional and get a coach who can get players to perform to their full potential the good old fashioned way. Doberman1

11:57am Mon 24 Sep 12

Dai the Milk says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Where is kalwales from St Cadox come to mind, there that's my thoughts on someone who has had a bad experience with the Argus and Dragons management at some time. The point not coming out is imagine the management saying we have no hope of winning the next game and then trying to motivate his team to play at half the required standard, it would mean a total loss of any chance of getting a team to turn up let alone play.

The truth is the head coach uses a bit of kidology to instil a bit of grit into his team and the belief that they can compete and with true professionals that means quite a bit of kidology. Deep down the coach knew it was a hard task but he tried to prepare his charges for the task and mental attitude plays such a huge part he must use every chance to get the minds right as well the body.
Shameful and politically very incorrect. Poor literacy too.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: Where is kalwales from St Cadox come to mind, there that's my thoughts on someone who has had a bad experience with the Argus and Dragons management at some time. The point not coming out is imagine the management saying we have no hope of winning the next game and then trying to motivate his team to play at half the required standard, it would mean a total loss of any chance of getting a team to turn up let alone play. The truth is the head coach uses a bit of kidology to instil a bit of grit into his team and the belief that they can compete and with true professionals that means quite a bit of kidology. Deep down the coach knew it was a hard task but he tried to prepare his charges for the task and mental attitude plays such a huge part he must use every chance to get the minds right as well the body.[/p][/quote]Shameful and politically very incorrect. Poor literacy too. Dai the Milk

2:44pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Don't play the politically correct thing, a touch of reality and respect for people doing a difficult job is that being politically correct. Would like to see some of the anti brigade doing a better job. The management team do thier best with the resources they have and perhaps that is not quite what is needed or perhaps they are not up to the task only time will show which. By the way I know there are some spelling errors in many postings by many people but that could be down to the media that is being used eg English American is often different to English UK in how it spells certain words. My excuse is I am a professional person and used to using all sorts of simpler ways of spelling things but thanks for the insults makes me sure raw nerves are being hit.
Don't play the politically correct thing, a touch of reality and respect for people doing a difficult job is that being politically correct. Would like to see some of the anti brigade doing a better job. The management team do thier best with the resources they have and perhaps that is not quite what is needed or perhaps they are not up to the task only time will show which. By the way I know there are some spelling errors in many postings by many people but that could be down to the media that is being used eg English American is often different to English UK in how it spells certain words. My excuse is I am a professional person and used to using all sorts of simpler ways of spelling things but thanks for the insults makes me sure raw nerves are being hit. Robert Shillabeer

3:14pm Mon 24 Sep 12

stevo10 says...

Robert Shillabeer. In fairness to you, you stand up for your region through thick and thin. Now that is what i call a true supporter. My question for you is can you see progress at the Dragons or do you think time is looming when the future of the coaches is at the top of the board's agenda? sh
Robert Shillabeer. In fairness to you, you stand up for your region through thick and thin. Now that is what i call a true supporter. My question for you is can you see progress at the Dragons or do you think time is looming when the future of the coaches is at the top of the board's agenda? sh stevo10

3:32pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Stevo10 thanks for the vote, and yes I do think the position of head coach is/will be foremost in the minds of the board. There have been some coaches who has lost thier jobs as a result of poor performances by the team but who will replace him if he is sacked, is thier anyone available willing to take the role on as he would have to be perfect to meet with the approval of some who post on here. Remember there are some who have been mentioned who were sacked from previous head coach roles.
Stevo10 thanks for the vote, and yes I do think the position of head coach is/will be foremost in the minds of the board. There have been some coaches who has lost thier jobs as a result of poor performances by the team but who will replace him if he is sacked, is thier anyone available willing to take the role on as he would have to be perfect to meet with the approval of some who post on here. Remember there are some who have been mentioned who were sacked from previous head coach roles. Robert Shillabeer

4:41pm Mon 24 Sep 12

the buff says...

If everyone is so disillusioned at what is happening at the dragons,may i suggest watching pill harriers.They are the 3rd highest placed team in newport(div.2),behin
d the dragons and npt rfc,they have only lost 1 game this season and it only costs £3 to watch,leaving you with a few £ for a couple of beers after.Also,some older fans might know the coach,keith james.
If everyone is so disillusioned at what is happening at the dragons,may i suggest watching pill harriers.They are the 3rd highest placed team in newport(div.2),behin d the dragons and npt rfc,they have only lost 1 game this season and it only costs £3 to watch,leaving you with a few £ for a couple of beers after.Also,some older fans might know the coach,keith james. the buff

4:57pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

The buff gives a welcome to rugby supporters so thanks for that. There are other clubs around Gwent who also deserve support. I went to Ebbw Vale last Saturday to support my old home town side and saw a good if one sided game so would encourage others to support local rugby at whatever level and age group so the game can continue to grow and who knows produce good players who can reach the highest level.
The buff gives a welcome to rugby supporters so thanks for that. There are other clubs around Gwent who also deserve support. I went to Ebbw Vale last Saturday to support my old home town side and saw a good if one sided game so would encourage others to support local rugby at whatever level and age group so the game can continue to grow and who knows produce good players who can reach the highest level. Robert Shillabeer

4:58pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

The buff gives a welcome to rugby supporters so thanks for that. There are other clubs around Gwent who also deserve support. I went to Ebbw Vale last Saturday to support my old home town side and saw a good if one sided game so would encourage others to support local rugby at whatever level and age group so the game can continue to grow and who knows produce good players who can reach the highest level.
The buff gives a welcome to rugby supporters so thanks for that. There are other clubs around Gwent who also deserve support. I went to Ebbw Vale last Saturday to support my old home town side and saw a good if one sided game so would encourage others to support local rugby at whatever level and age group so the game can continue to grow and who knows produce good players who can reach the highest level. Robert Shillabeer

5:03pm Mon 24 Sep 12

spaniard says...

Some people need to get their head out of the sand saying the coaches and players are trying their best, well if that is their best god help us if they play at their worse, it won't be long before even the Italians will be seeing the dragons as a 5 point game, I honestly cannot see where the next point is coming from, the set up needs changing very quickly,
It needs someone who will literally start banging heads to get players to perform and if they don't perform get rid of them, Kingsley jones is mentioned a few times and what about asking mike ruddock, i suspect either of these would take no messing about and get the team playing
Some people need to get their head out of the sand saying the coaches and players are trying their best, well if that is their best god help us if they play at their worse, it won't be long before even the Italians will be seeing the dragons as a 5 point game, I honestly cannot see where the next point is coming from, the set up needs changing very quickly, It needs someone who will literally start banging heads to get players to perform and if they don't perform get rid of them, Kingsley jones is mentioned a few times and what about asking mike ruddock, i suspect either of these would take no messing about and get the team playing spaniard

5:35pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Dai the Milk says...

stevo10 wrote:
Robert Shillabeer. In fairness to you, you stand up for your region through thick and thin. Now that is what i call a true supporter. My question for you is can you see progress at the Dragons or do you think time is looming when the future of the coaches is at the top of the board's agenda? sh
That is what I call an ostrich.
[quote][p][bold]stevo10[/bold] wrote: Robert Shillabeer. In fairness to you, you stand up for your region through thick and thin. Now that is what i call a true supporter. My question for you is can you see progress at the Dragons or do you think time is looming when the future of the coaches is at the top of the board's agenda? sh[/p][/quote]That is what I call an ostrich. Dai the Milk

5:39pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Dai the Milk says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Don't play the politically correct thing, a touch of reality and respect for people doing a difficult job is that being politically correct. Would like to see some of the anti brigade doing a better job. The management team do thier best with the resources they have and perhaps that is not quite what is needed or perhaps they are not up to the task only time will show which. By the way I know there are some spelling errors in many postings by many people but that could be down to the media that is being used eg English American is often different to English UK in how it spells certain words. My excuse is I am a professional person and used to using all sorts of simpler ways of spelling things but thanks for the insults makes me sure raw nerves are being hit.
Robert, how can you compare the mentally ill with the management of RP?.............
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: Don't play the politically correct thing, a touch of reality and respect for people doing a difficult job is that being politically correct. Would like to see some of the anti brigade doing a better job. The management team do thier best with the resources they have and perhaps that is not quite what is needed or perhaps they are not up to the task only time will show which. By the way I know there are some spelling errors in many postings by many people but that could be down to the media that is being used eg English American is often different to English UK in how it spells certain words. My excuse is I am a professional person and used to using all sorts of simpler ways of spelling things but thanks for the insults makes me sure raw nerves are being hit.[/p][/quote]Robert, how can you compare the mentally ill with the management of RP?............. Dai the Milk

7:05pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Euwan Usami says...

Dai the Milk wrote:
Euwan, no I am not!! This was supposed to be a combined Gwent side with representation from Newport and the other clubs.
To be fair that IS how it works Dai. The region also loans out it's players to the clubs too. (Hugh Gustafson spent most of last season at Pontypool, Jack Dixon scored the winner for Bedwas against Newport. And so on)
[quote][p][bold]Dai the Milk[/bold] wrote: Euwan, no I am not!! This was supposed to be a combined Gwent side with representation from Newport and the other clubs.[/p][/quote]To be fair that IS how it works Dai. The region also loans out it's players to the clubs too. (Hugh Gustafson spent most of last season at Pontypool, Jack Dixon scored the winner for Bedwas against Newport. And so on) Euwan Usami

7:06pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

The person in question had his integrity questioned by someone else not me I just followed up a specific line. But perhaps it needs someone who's sanity can be put into question to take all the moans being thrown at them at the moment. Would there be as much praise should they get a few good results I wonder.
The person in question had his integrity questioned by someone else not me I just followed up a specific line. But perhaps it needs someone who's sanity can be put into question to take all the moans being thrown at them at the moment. Would there be as much praise should they get a few good results I wonder. Robert Shillabeer

7:15pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Euwan Usami says...

spaniard wrote:
Some people need to get their head out of the sand saying the coaches and players are trying their best, well if that is their best god help us if they play at their worse, it won't be long before even the Italians will be seeing the dragons as a 5 point game, I honestly cannot see where the next point is coming from, the set up needs changing very quickly,
It needs someone who will literally start banging heads to get players to perform and if they don't perform get rid of them, Kingsley jones is mentioned a few times and what about asking mike ruddock, i suspect either of these would take no messing about and get the team playing
You don't remember the Treviso result from last season obviously;

Benetton Treviso 50 Newport Gwent Dragons 24

Keep up! lol :)
[quote][p][bold]spaniard[/bold] wrote: Some people need to get their head out of the sand saying the coaches and players are trying their best, well if that is their best god help us if they play at their worse, it won't be long before even the Italians will be seeing the dragons as a 5 point game, I honestly cannot see where the next point is coming from, the set up needs changing very quickly, It needs someone who will literally start banging heads to get players to perform and if they don't perform get rid of them, Kingsley jones is mentioned a few times and what about asking mike ruddock, i suspect either of these would take no messing about and get the team playing[/p][/quote]You don't remember the Treviso result from last season obviously; Benetton Treviso 50 Newport Gwent Dragons 24 Keep up! lol :) Euwan Usami

7:25pm Mon 24 Sep 12

corpardguy says...

I am sorry to say but apart form the obvious exceptions most of the team played below par and expectations for most of the 80 mins.
Last 15 mins full of Hwyl and passion, but what happened in the middle of the match?? Sorry, but if players can do it for 15 mins they should do it for 80.
I am reluctantly joining the call for DE head, ... even if we win on Friday.
I am sorry to say but apart form the obvious exceptions most of the team played below par and expectations for most of the 80 mins. Last 15 mins full of Hwyl and passion, but what happened in the middle of the match?? Sorry, but if players can do it for 15 mins they should do it for 80. I am reluctantly joining the call for DE head, ... even if we win on Friday. corpardguy

9:56pm Mon 24 Sep 12

kalwales@hotmail.com says...

Not Just Darrens Head, The Entire Board & Backroom Staff have been taking the P**S out of you Fans since regional rugby began(apart from Mike Ruddock), why do i say that?? its because they know thet Your Club & Region have some of or if not the most loyal fans ever and they use that to their advantge , now if the Fans stood up to the board maybe they would pull their fingers out and realise YOU the fans wont be used anymore !!

Also if your region are a Region that covers it region then maybe they shoudl realise that there are more than just a golden few clubs in the regional area !!
Not Just Darrens Head, The Entire Board & Backroom Staff have been taking the P**S out of you Fans since regional rugby began(apart from Mike Ruddock), why do i say that?? its because they know thet Your Club & Region have some of or if not the most loyal fans ever and they use that to their advantge , now if the Fans stood up to the board maybe they would pull their fingers out and realise YOU the fans wont be used anymore !! Also if your region are a Region that covers it region then maybe they shoudl realise that there are more than just a golden few clubs in the regional area !! kalwales@hotmail.com

12:00am Tue 25 Sep 12

DaiFrank says...

The board is ultimately responsible. The coach and past coaches, despite their weaknesses have tried their best. The players past and present are not the best, but they perform to the best of their ability. The board are amateurs but as long as you pay, year after year, despite your complaining, they will not change. Spend your money on something more worthwhile and satisfying.
The board is ultimately responsible. The coach and past coaches, despite their weaknesses have tried their best. The players past and present are not the best, but they perform to the best of their ability. The board are amateurs but as long as you pay, year after year, despite your complaining, they will not change. Spend your money on something more worthwhile and satisfying. DaiFrank

12:59am Tue 25 Sep 12

corpardguy says...

I don't know who would come to RP now as a coach. The fact is we do have good players AND some good potential, but it needs knitting and bonding together better than at present.
We are certainly better than the next level down but not good enough to be in the top 5 of Rabo....
Personally I would love to see Mke Ruddock or even an old Rugby Leaguer to put some steel into the middle of the park defence. We are where Wales was before Gatland arrived, leaking tries and confidence by the match. His answer was Shaun Edwards and Wales STOPPED leaking points, after that and only AFTER, they started scoring them......
We have a **** fine back row and some good strike runners in the back three and Tuilagi can make holes and run straight, all great plusses. BUT while
DEFENCE may not win you games it may help stop losing them.
Get the tackle bags out lads and don't take any dummies!!
I don't know who would come to RP now as a coach. The fact is we do have good players AND some good potential, but it needs knitting and bonding together better than at present. We are certainly better than the next level down but not good enough to be in the top 5 of Rabo.... Personally I would love to see Mke Ruddock or even an old Rugby Leaguer to put some steel into the middle of the park defence. We are where Wales was before Gatland arrived, leaking tries and confidence by the match. His answer was Shaun Edwards and Wales STOPPED leaking points, after that and only AFTER, they started scoring them...... We have a **** fine back row and some good strike runners in the back three and Tuilagi can make holes and run straight, all great plusses. BUT while DEFENCE may not win you games it may help stop losing them. Get the tackle bags out lads and don't take any dummies!! corpardguy

5:02am Tue 25 Sep 12

East Newport Dave says...

The answer lies in the coaching. There are some very good players at the Dragons but they under-perform because the team as a whole is badly coached. We had Edwards talking before the Munster game about exploiting wide open spaces. What planet is he on? The Dragons need a good set piece and lock tight defence before we can even think of attacking rugby. He thinks we will win games just by throwing the ball around like the Harlem Globetrotters. That is the development ethos being instilled in him by the WRU but it won't win anything for NGD. Edwards needs to go and let's get a top coach in. If it costs £150k per year then so be it. At the end of the day they are pros and will be lured in by a good salary. If the coach is good, the players will respond, playing standards and results improve and there is much more chance of holding onto Lydiate and co. As it is, we look like being on the end of a few 50 - 70 pointers this season.
The answer lies in the coaching. There are some very good players at the Dragons but they under-perform because the team as a whole is badly coached. We had Edwards talking before the Munster game about exploiting wide open spaces. What planet is he on? The Dragons need a good set piece and lock tight defence before we can even think of attacking rugby. He thinks we will win games just by throwing the ball around like the Harlem Globetrotters. That is the development ethos being instilled in him by the WRU but it won't win anything for NGD. Edwards needs to go and let's get a top coach in. If it costs £150k per year then so be it. At the end of the day they are pros and will be lured in by a good salary. If the coach is good, the players will respond, playing standards and results improve and there is much more chance of holding onto Lydiate and co. As it is, we look like being on the end of a few 50 - 70 pointers this season. East Newport Dave

5:02am Tue 25 Sep 12

East Newport Dave says...

The answer lies in the coaching. There are some very good players at the Dragons but they under-perform because the team as a whole is badly coached. We had Edwards talking before the Munster game about exploiting wide open spaces. What planet is he on? The Dragons need a good set piece and lock tight defence before we can even think of attacking rugby. He thinks we will win games just by throwing the ball around like the Harlem Globetrotters. That is the development ethos being instilled in him by the WRU but it won't win anything for NGD. Edwards needs to go and let's get a top coach in. If it costs £150k per year then so be it. At the end of the day they are pros and will be lured in by a good salary. If the coach is good, the players will respond, playing standards and results improve and there is much more chance of holding onto Lydiate and co. As it is, we look like being on the end of a few 50 - 70 pointers this season.
The answer lies in the coaching. There are some very good players at the Dragons but they under-perform because the team as a whole is badly coached. We had Edwards talking before the Munster game about exploiting wide open spaces. What planet is he on? The Dragons need a good set piece and lock tight defence before we can even think of attacking rugby. He thinks we will win games just by throwing the ball around like the Harlem Globetrotters. That is the development ethos being instilled in him by the WRU but it won't win anything for NGD. Edwards needs to go and let's get a top coach in. If it costs £150k per year then so be it. At the end of the day they are pros and will be lured in by a good salary. If the coach is good, the players will respond, playing standards and results improve and there is much more chance of holding onto Lydiate and co. As it is, we look like being on the end of a few 50 - 70 pointers this season. East Newport Dave

10:32am Tue 25 Sep 12

Dai the Milk says...

corpardguy wrote:
I don't know who would come to RP now as a coach. The fact is we do have good players AND some good potential, but it needs knitting and bonding together better than at present.
We are certainly better than the next level down but not good enough to be in the top 5 of Rabo....
Personally I would love to see Mke Ruddock or even an old Rugby Leaguer to put some steel into the middle of the park defence. We are where Wales was before Gatland arrived, leaking tries and confidence by the match. His answer was Shaun Edwards and Wales STOPPED leaking points, after that and only AFTER, they started scoring them......
We have a **** fine back row and some good strike runners in the back three and Tuilagi can make holes and run straight, all great plusses. BUT while
DEFENCE may not win you games it may help stop losing them.
Get the tackle bags out lads and don't take any dummies!!
Defence does win games, more than attack. When you defend properly, sides tire and holes appear.
[quote][p][bold]corpardguy[/bold] wrote: I don't know who would come to RP now as a coach. The fact is we do have good players AND some good potential, but it needs knitting and bonding together better than at present. We are certainly better than the next level down but not good enough to be in the top 5 of Rabo.... Personally I would love to see Mke Ruddock or even an old Rugby Leaguer to put some steel into the middle of the park defence. We are where Wales was before Gatland arrived, leaking tries and confidence by the match. His answer was Shaun Edwards and Wales STOPPED leaking points, after that and only AFTER, they started scoring them...... We have a **** fine back row and some good strike runners in the back three and Tuilagi can make holes and run straight, all great plusses. BUT while DEFENCE may not win you games it may help stop losing them. Get the tackle bags out lads and don't take any dummies!![/p][/quote]Defence does win games, more than attack. When you defend properly, sides tire and holes appear. Dai the Milk

1:50pm Tue 25 Sep 12

silurix says...

Defence and attack are both important but if your defence is leaky then you had better have an efficient attacking strategy to avoid sinking down the table. Its the difference between points For and Against that matters - especially if its negative. Leinster have conceded more points than the Dragons so far but have a far superior scoring record. Its probably not a coincidence that the 2 teams with bigger deficits than the Dragons are the 2 teams below them. If you are in deficit the interesting point then is - "is it easier to improve your defence or your attack to reduce the deficit?". There are lots of variables to consider here , but its noticeable that the most successful teams tend to have tight defences. Aus beat SA in the last WC partly because of Bok incompetence but mostly because their defence was superb. Likewise, in the 6N , the 2 teams with the best defences and highest points surpluses finished first and second. Its not rocket science - you either have to score more points than you concede ( with a weak defence ) or concede fewer points than you are able to score ( with a weak attack ) to stand a chance of finishing above the stragglers.
At the moment, based on points F & A, the Dragon are average in attack and poor in defence. A bottom quartile finish beckons.
Defence and attack are both important but if your defence is leaky then you had better have an efficient attacking strategy to avoid sinking down the table. Its the difference between points For and Against that matters - especially if its negative. Leinster have conceded more points than the Dragons so far but have a far superior scoring record. Its probably not a coincidence that the 2 teams with bigger deficits than the Dragons are the 2 teams below them. If you are in deficit the interesting point then is - "is it easier to improve your defence or your attack to reduce the deficit?". There are lots of variables to consider here , but its noticeable that the most successful teams tend to have tight defences. Aus beat SA in the last WC partly because of Bok incompetence but mostly because their defence was superb. Likewise, in the 6N , the 2 teams with the best defences and highest points surpluses finished first and second. Its not rocket science - you either have to score more points than you concede ( with a weak defence ) or concede fewer points than you are able to score ( with a weak attack ) to stand a chance of finishing above the stragglers. At the moment, based on points F & A, the Dragon are average in attack and poor in defence. A bottom quartile finish beckons. silurix

4:54pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Dai the Milk says...

silurix wrote:
Defence and attack are both important but if your defence is leaky then you had better have an efficient attacking strategy to avoid sinking down the table. Its the difference between points For and Against that matters - especially if its negative. Leinster have conceded more points than the Dragons so far but have a far superior scoring record. Its probably not a coincidence that the 2 teams with bigger deficits than the Dragons are the 2 teams below them. If you are in deficit the interesting point then is - "is it easier to improve your defence or your attack to reduce the deficit?". There are lots of variables to consider here , but its noticeable that the most successful teams tend to have tight defences. Aus beat SA in the last WC partly because of Bok incompetence but mostly because their defence was superb. Likewise, in the 6N , the 2 teams with the best defences and highest points surpluses finished first and second. Its not rocket science - you either have to score more points than you concede ( with a weak defence ) or concede fewer points than you are able to score ( with a weak attack ) to stand a chance of finishing above the stragglers.
At the moment, based on points F & A, the Dragon are average in attack and poor in defence. A bottom quartile finish beckons.
Silurix, very articulate and well expressed post. I just know which I would prefer out of a strong attack and weak defence or a weak attack and strong defence. Obviously both is the ideal but I favour the latter. As you rightly state, 'the most successful teams tend to have tight defences'. The Aussies are the perfect example.
[quote][p][bold]silurix[/bold] wrote: Defence and attack are both important but if your defence is leaky then you had better have an efficient attacking strategy to avoid sinking down the table. Its the difference between points For and Against that matters - especially if its negative. Leinster have conceded more points than the Dragons so far but have a far superior scoring record. Its probably not a coincidence that the 2 teams with bigger deficits than the Dragons are the 2 teams below them. If you are in deficit the interesting point then is - "is it easier to improve your defence or your attack to reduce the deficit?". There are lots of variables to consider here , but its noticeable that the most successful teams tend to have tight defences. Aus beat SA in the last WC partly because of Bok incompetence but mostly because their defence was superb. Likewise, in the 6N , the 2 teams with the best defences and highest points surpluses finished first and second. Its not rocket science - you either have to score more points than you concede ( with a weak defence ) or concede fewer points than you are able to score ( with a weak attack ) to stand a chance of finishing above the stragglers. At the moment, based on points F & A, the Dragon are average in attack and poor in defence. A bottom quartile finish beckons.[/p][/quote]Silurix, very articulate and well expressed post. I just know which I would prefer out of a strong attack and weak defence or a weak attack and strong defence. Obviously both is the ideal but I favour the latter. As you rightly state, 'the most successful teams tend to have tight defences'. The Aussies are the perfect example. Dai the Milk

6:54pm Tue 25 Sep 12

kalwales@hotmail.com says...

so when are the almighty board going to stand up and face the fans?? after all without the fans support surely the region would go POP?? Yes maybe the fault lies with Darren and Sven and teh coaching staff but THE Board and Management at the Region need to come out and gain the Fans respect because how long are fans going to continue to allow those managers and board members to take the P**s out of them ?
(p,s) Any news on the Supporters Jerseys Yet?? STILL NOTHING !

THE MANAGERS AND BOARD ARE TO BLAME & if they wanna ban me from here they can do what they like as they WILL NEVER silence me !!
so when are the almighty board going to stand up and face the fans?? after all without the fans support surely the region would go POP?? Yes maybe the fault lies with Darren and Sven and teh coaching staff but THE Board and Management at the Region need to come out and gain the Fans respect because how long are fans going to continue to allow those managers and board members to take the P**s out of them ? (p,s) Any news on the Supporters Jerseys Yet?? STILL NOTHING ! THE MANAGERS AND BOARD ARE TO BLAME & if they wanna ban me from here they can do what they like as they WILL NEVER silence me !! kalwales@hotmail.com

10:27am Wed 26 Sep 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Kalwales, please get the facts right at least, Sven is nothing to do with the Dragons he's Newport's head coach. Ban you where would we get a good laugh from if they do that?
Kalwales, please get the facts right at least, Sven is nothing to do with the Dragons he's Newport's head coach. Ban you where would we get a good laugh from if they do that? Robert Shillabeer

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