Dragons player hunt is on

NEWPORT Gwent Dragons have not ruled out dipping into the transfer market – but insist any newcomer needs to be the right fit.

The Dragons’ tight five has been under the pump of late and the region’s supporters have had to sit and watch while their rivals bring in fresh blood.

Cardiff Blues, who already boast four overseas front row forwards in their squad, brought a pair of Romanian props in on trial last week.

The Ospreys signed Moldovan international hooker/prop Dimitri Arhip this week while Glasgow snapped up German Araoz to solve a propping injury crisis.

The Dragons have been looking at potential recruits and entered discussions with a lock who featured for Argentina in the recent Rugby Championship and had a close look at Pumas tighthead Gaston Cortes, who has penned a deal with Bristol in the English Championship.

"Recruitment needs to be thought through because in the past we haven’t always got it right," said director of rugby Robert Beale.

"It’s a big decision and when you don’t have a huge budget or endless pots of money you need to get it right.

"We are discussing every other day whether we should be recruiting and you never say never, but we are trying not to panic into a signing and it has to be the right fit.

"There is one non-Welsh spot available that we can fill and there are no Welsh tight five forwards available, so it would have to come from overseas.

"That means you have to look at Argentina, France, Italy and the rules of the participation agreement (between the regions and the Welsh Rugby Union) means that they have to have played for their country in the last 15 months, which puts the price up.

"We have looked at Argentine second rows and Fijian, but now they are not available until after the autumn internationals. Then you’ve got to think in December ‘would it be worth it for a five or a six-month contract?’ "I won’t say we are not going to recruit but we have to be sensible and if we are to bring someone in they have to be right type of player in a position that has an impact, and that hasn’t always been the case here."

The Dragons are starting to plan their recruitment for next season and acknowledge the need to strengthen up front.

Beale admits that new arrivals not having other commitments – as is the case with former South Africa utility forward Danie Rossouw, who signed a deal with French giants Toulon earlier this month – is a big factor.

"Ideally you want a player who is available week in, week out," he said.

"I have had conversations in the past where I have said if they retire from international rugby then it does change things.

"When you are running a business it isn’t just a rugby decision when players are unavailable for large parts of the season."

Another piece of the jigsaw is whether Wales star Dan Lydiate, currently sidelined with an ankle injury, pens a deal that would take up a sizeable chunk of their budget.

"We are planning for next year in terms of what positions we need to recruit and who we need to recruit," said Beale.

"Knowing exactly where one of your key players sees his future is pretty big when you try to discuss those things.

"We would sign Danny if he was ready to do so next week but at the moment he is focused on getting back to fitness."

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10:45am Thu 18 Oct 12

Euwan Usami says...

At least the issue is being addressed in the media if not the field. Some much needed feedback, has to be a good thing.
At least the issue is being addressed in the media if not the field. Some much needed feedback, has to be a good thing. Euwan Usami

11:57am Thu 18 Oct 12

SWBorderer says...

After three years of being shunted all over the park they are discussing the possibility of getting someone in. With such dynamic management the future looks wonderful doesn't it.

Now all the other teams have pick the best and cheapest options we will be left with expensive also rans again.

They need to get a move on while there is still a chance of salvaging something from the season.
After three years of being shunted all over the park they are discussing the possibility of getting someone in. With such dynamic management the future looks wonderful doesn't it. Now all the other teams have pick the best and cheapest options we will be left with expensive also rans again. They need to get a move on while there is still a chance of salvaging something from the season. SWBorderer

12:44pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Oddjob says...

I seem to remember a world wide player search during the closed season. Could someone remind who they signed then please?
I seem to remember a world wide player search during the closed season. Could someone remind who they signed then please? Oddjob

1:15pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Dai the Milk says...

'Right fit'? Yeah.............Est
ablished front five forwards........pref
erably 6 feet 4 inches to 6 feet 10 inches, 55 inch chest, 36 waist preferably.
'Right fit'? Yeah.............Est ablished front five forwards........pref erably 6 feet 4 inches to 6 feet 10 inches, 55 inch chest, 36 waist preferably. Dai the Milk

1:16pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Dai the Milk says...

'Right fit'? Yeah.............Est
ablished front five forwards........pref
erably 6 feet 4 inches to 6 feet 10 inches, 55 inch chest, 36 waist preferably.
'Right fit'? Yeah.............Est ablished front five forwards........pref erably 6 feet 4 inches to 6 feet 10 inches, 55 inch chest, 36 waist preferably. Dai the Milk

1:17pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Dai the Milk says...

Repeating myself I know.........just needs to be stressed!!
Repeating myself I know.........just needs to be stressed!! Dai the Milk

1:33pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Seems like they have been looking but no success. Either the price is wrong or they don't want to come, France being the best place with big money being the deciding factor.
Seems like they have been looking but no success. Either the price is wrong or they don't want to come, France being the best place with big money being the deciding factor. Robert Shillabeer

1:36pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Euwan Usami says...

Oddjob wrote:
I seem to remember a world wide player search during the closed season. Could someone remind who they signed then please?
They went as far as Cornwall for the second row Ian Nimmo. That's in the world!

Oh and Tim Ryan came from the Italian club Prato who everyone beat last season and don't exist now. He's failed to impress at lots of previous clubs and has continued this form with us. ;)
[quote][p][bold]Oddjob[/bold] wrote: I seem to remember a world wide player search during the closed season. Could someone remind who they signed then please?[/p][/quote]They went as far as Cornwall for the second row Ian Nimmo. That's in the world! Oh and Tim Ryan came from the Italian club Prato who everyone beat last season and don't exist now. He's failed to impress at lots of previous clubs and has continued this form with us. ;) Euwan Usami

2:40pm Thu 18 Oct 12

SWBorderer says...

We really are a joke team now, and it is such a shame as we have some very talented young players. It does nothing to build their confidence when they continually have to struggle with bad ball.

Our best players will leave at the earliest opportunity, they have to if they are to retain any credibility.

I know I can't get to RP anywhere near as often as I would like these days, but I feel for those loyal supporters who turn up through thick and thin because the thick just seems to get thicker.
We really are a joke team now, and it is such a shame as we have some very talented young players. It does nothing to build their confidence when they continually have to struggle with bad ball. Our best players will leave at the earliest opportunity, they have to if they are to retain any credibility. I know I can't get to RP anywhere near as often as I would like these days, but I feel for those loyal supporters who turn up through thick and thin because the thick just seems to get thicker. SWBorderer

2:58pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Robert Shillabeer says...

Hang on a lot of you have been asking for new players for a while and as soon as the region say they are looking to bring them in your criticise them for doing so, come on you can't have it both ways, give some credit.
Hang on a lot of you have been asking for new players for a while and as soon as the region say they are looking to bring them in your criticise them for doing so, come on you can't have it both ways, give some credit. Robert Shillabeer

3:05pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Euwan Usami says...

SWBorderer wrote:
We really are a joke team now, and it is such a shame as we have some very talented young players. It does nothing to build their confidence when they continually have to struggle with bad ball.

Our best players will leave at the earliest opportunity, they have to if they are to retain any credibility.

I know I can't get to RP anywhere near as often as I would like these days, but I feel for those loyal supporters who turn up through thick and thin because the thick just seems to get thicker.
It's looks like they have been trying to address the problem and the increasingly frustrated forum discussions have probably forced this information out before they found any options. Either that or its intended to explain away why they won't be spending any more cash come what may. Let's hope they are hunting high and low for the "Right fit" while there are some supporters left.
[quote][p][bold]SWBorderer[/bold] wrote: We really are a joke team now, and it is such a shame as we have some very talented young players. It does nothing to build their confidence when they continually have to struggle with bad ball. Our best players will leave at the earliest opportunity, they have to if they are to retain any credibility. I know I can't get to RP anywhere near as often as I would like these days, but I feel for those loyal supporters who turn up through thick and thin because the thick just seems to get thicker.[/p][/quote]It's looks like they have been trying to address the problem and the increasingly frustrated forum discussions have probably forced this information out before they found any options. Either that or its intended to explain away why they won't be spending any more cash come what may. Let's hope they are hunting high and low for the "Right fit" while there are some supporters left. Euwan Usami

3:05pm Thu 18 Oct 12

mep says...

Even with the likes of Byrne and Charteris there were problems in the front five. They knew without them it could only get worse yet they did nothing, the stand looks nice though!
It's only a matter of time before the County will be getting bigger gates.
Even with the likes of Byrne and Charteris there were problems in the front five. They knew without them it could only get worse yet they did nothing, the stand looks nice though! It's only a matter of time before the County will be getting bigger gates. mep

3:58pm Thu 18 Oct 12

SWBorderer says...

Robert Shillabeer wrote:
Seems like they have been looking but no success. Either the price is wrong or they don't want to come, France being the best place with big money being the deciding factor.
Robert, they are discussing the possibility, they're not actually saying they're going to do anything, if it takes three years to start discussing the problem it doesn't exactly fill me with enthusiasm.
Please don't explain to me again about the difficulties of recruiting, other teams manage it.
[quote][p][bold]Robert Shillabeer[/bold] wrote: Seems like they have been looking but no success. Either the price is wrong or they don't want to come, France being the best place with big money being the deciding factor.[/p][/quote]Robert, they are discussing the possibility, they're not actually saying they're going to do anything, if it takes three years to start discussing the problem it doesn't exactly fill me with enthusiasm. Please don't explain to me again about the difficulties of recruiting, other teams manage it. SWBorderer

4:54pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Mudwolf says...

Never mind "dipping" into the market, how about jumping in for wholesale changes?
Never mind "dipping" into the market, how about jumping in for wholesale changes? Mudwolf

6:00pm Thu 18 Oct 12

East Newport Dave says...

It sums things up when an import decides to go to Bristol and play in the English second tier rather than the Dragons. There is a real problem now in that The Dragons are so poorly perceived as an organisation and a team, that prospective forwards will take one look at any offer and say 'no thanks' The only way out of this hole is to dispense with the services of Edwards and co and get a top coach in. It would be expensive but I can't see how we will attract any international front row forwards to a club playing in the Amlin Cup and with such a poor recent record. We need someone of the ilk of Ruddock who payers would love to play for.
What does the region have going for it - just great supporters, and they are fed up and leaving in droves. What a mess!
It sums things up when an import decides to go to Bristol and play in the English second tier rather than the Dragons. There is a real problem now in that The Dragons are so poorly perceived as an organisation and a team, that prospective forwards will take one look at any offer and say 'no thanks' The only way out of this hole is to dispense with the services of Edwards and co and get a top coach in. It would be expensive but I can't see how we will attract any international front row forwards to a club playing in the Amlin Cup and with such a poor recent record. We need someone of the ilk of Ruddock who payers would love to play for. What does the region have going for it - just great supporters, and they are fed up and leaving in droves. What a mess! East Newport Dave

6:17pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Monster Munch McCoy says...

October 16!!!!! Remember the day. Last year they at least had the decency to wait until Christmas before they rolled out the old excuse of building for next year.
If they were building for next year last year I don't think they have built very well.
I take no joy from criticising the management and would prefer to be congratulating them on great victories but excuses like that are unacceptable.
Finger crossed for performance on Saturday that we can be proud of.
October 16!!!!! Remember the day. Last year they at least had the decency to wait until Christmas before they rolled out the old excuse of building for next year. If they were building for next year last year I don't think they have built very well. I take no joy from criticising the management and would prefer to be congratulating them on great victories but excuses like that are unacceptable. Finger crossed for performance on Saturday that we can be proud of. Monster Munch McCoy

6:18pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Monster Munch McCoy says...

October 16!!!!! Remember the day. Last year they at least had the decency to wait until Christmas before they rolled out the old excuse of building for next year.
If they were building for next year last year I don't think they have built very well.
I take no joy from criticising the management and would prefer to be congratulating them on great victories but excuses like that are unacceptable.
Finger crossed for performance on Saturday that we can be proud of.
October 16!!!!! Remember the day. Last year they at least had the decency to wait until Christmas before they rolled out the old excuse of building for next year. If they were building for next year last year I don't think they have built very well. I take no joy from criticising the management and would prefer to be congratulating them on great victories but excuses like that are unacceptable. Finger crossed for performance on Saturday that we can be proud of. Monster Munch McCoy

6:21pm Thu 18 Oct 12

Euwan Usami says...

East Newport Dave wrote:
It sums things up when an import decides to go to Bristol and play in the English second tier rather than the Dragons. There is a real problem now in that The Dragons are so poorly perceived as an organisation and a team, that prospective forwards will take one look at any offer and say 'no thanks' The only way out of this hole is to dispense with the services of Edwards and co and get a top coach in. It would be expensive but I can't see how we will attract any international front row forwards to a club playing in the Amlin Cup and with such a poor recent record. We need someone of the ilk of Ruddock who payers would love to play for.
What does the region have going for it - just great supporters, and they are fed up and leaving in droves. What a mess!
I think we are stuck with DE too tbh Dave. No matter what people may think he is one year into a 3 year contract I believe. This means they would have to buy him out AND find cash for a quality Coach AND find more cash for new players.
[quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: It sums things up when an import decides to go to Bristol and play in the English second tier rather than the Dragons. There is a real problem now in that The Dragons are so poorly perceived as an organisation and a team, that prospective forwards will take one look at any offer and say 'no thanks' The only way out of this hole is to dispense with the services of Edwards and co and get a top coach in. It would be expensive but I can't see how we will attract any international front row forwards to a club playing in the Amlin Cup and with such a poor recent record. We need someone of the ilk of Ruddock who payers would love to play for. What does the region have going for it - just great supporters, and they are fed up and leaving in droves. What a mess![/p][/quote]I think we are stuck with DE too tbh Dave. No matter what people may think he is one year into a 3 year contract I believe. This means they would have to buy him out AND find cash for a quality Coach AND find more cash for new players. Euwan Usami

9:47pm Thu 18 Oct 12

arvinda strop says...

Oh dear oh dear oh dear

It is all falling apart and it's taken people this long to realise it,
(well I just don't believe it
(I heard that frase before somwhere) joking apart Newport have been a breeding ground for years it has just been made official a breeding gound
for other clubs to cream off the best players
Toby will be next it is only his instlled sense of loyalty given to him by his father tat keeps him here
Oh dear oh dear oh dear It is all falling apart and it's taken people this long to realise it, (well I just don't believe it (I heard that frase before somwhere) joking apart Newport have been a breeding ground for years it has just been made official a breeding gound for other clubs to cream off the best players Toby will be next it is only his instlled sense of loyalty given to him by his father tat keeps him here arvinda strop

10:40pm Thu 18 Oct 12

CaptainB says...

Position we find the Dragons in....

Either we get in a position within the next month whereby we can be contenders in the...

Rabo 12 (not going to happen),

The Amlin (unlikely to happen) or

The L.V. Cup
(is this Darren Edward's Golden Nugget?)...

OR we slip into Division 2 rugby.

We will lose Toby, Dan L., Chav and a few others, and sink into the depths of mediocrity.

We just don't have the coaches to attract decent players and having been a 'Died in the Wall' supporter at Rodney Parade since 1961, it's just about breaking my resolve.

Dark day's ahead I fear, the best we can hope for is a couple of good results against better sides when they are depleted by the International Call-ups.
Position we find the Dragons in.... Either we get in a position within the next month whereby we can be contenders in the... Rabo 12 (not going to happen), The Amlin (unlikely to happen) or The L.V. Cup (is this Darren Edward's Golden Nugget?)... OR we slip into Division 2 rugby. We will lose Toby, Dan L., Chav and a few others, and sink into the depths of mediocrity. We just don't have the coaches to attract decent players and having been a 'Died in the Wall' supporter at Rodney Parade since 1961, it's just about breaking my resolve. Dark day's ahead I fear, the best we can hope for is a couple of good results against better sides when they are depleted by the International Call-ups. CaptainB

8:33am Fri 19 Oct 12

Dai the Milk says...

CaptainB wrote:
Position we find the Dragons in....

Either we get in a position within the next month whereby we can be contenders in the...

Rabo 12 (not going to happen),

The Amlin (unlikely to happen) or

The L.V. Cup
(is this Darren Edward's Golden Nugget?)...

OR we slip into Division 2 rugby.

We will lose Toby, Dan L., Chav and a few others, and sink into the depths of mediocrity.

We just don't have the coaches to attract decent players and having been a 'Died in the Wall' supporter at Rodney Parade since 1961, it's just about breaking my resolve.

Dark day's ahead I fear, the best we can hope for is a couple of good results against better sides when they are depleted by the International Call-ups.
Captain, If you have been supporting Newport RFC since 1961 at Rodney Parade, shouldn't you be supporting Newport RFC? After all, this is a Gwent representative side (tongue in cheek).
[quote][p][bold]CaptainB[/bold] wrote: Position we find the Dragons in.... Either we get in a position within the next month whereby we can be contenders in the... Rabo 12 (not going to happen), The Amlin (unlikely to happen) or The L.V. Cup (is this Darren Edward's Golden Nugget?)... OR we slip into Division 2 rugby. We will lose Toby, Dan L., Chav and a few others, and sink into the depths of mediocrity. We just don't have the coaches to attract decent players and having been a 'Died in the Wall' supporter at Rodney Parade since 1961, it's just about breaking my resolve. Dark day's ahead I fear, the best we can hope for is a couple of good results against better sides when they are depleted by the International Call-ups.[/p][/quote]Captain, If you have been supporting Newport RFC since 1961 at Rodney Parade, shouldn't you be supporting Newport RFC? After all, this is a Gwent representative side (tongue in cheek). Dai the Milk

11:13am Fri 19 Oct 12

Oddjob says...

Euwan Usami wrote:
Oddjob wrote:
I seem to remember a world wide player search during the closed season. Could someone remind who they signed then please?
They went as far as Cornwall for the second row Ian Nimmo. That's in the world!

Oh and Tim Ryan came from the Italian club Prato who everyone beat last season and don't exist now. He's failed to impress at lots of previous clubs and has continued this form with us. ;)
Thanks for that. How on earth I'd forgotten those two world class players, I don't know.
[quote][p][bold]Euwan Usami[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oddjob[/bold] wrote: I seem to remember a world wide player search during the closed season. Could someone remind who they signed then please?[/p][/quote]They went as far as Cornwall for the second row Ian Nimmo. That's in the world! Oh and Tim Ryan came from the Italian club Prato who everyone beat last season and don't exist now. He's failed to impress at lots of previous clubs and has continued this form with us. ;)[/p][/quote]Thanks for that. How on earth I'd forgotten those two world class players, I don't know. Oddjob

6:58pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Gooda says...

None left at Pontypool park sorry, they have all gone to Newport!!
None left at Pontypool park sorry, they have all gone to Newport!! Gooda

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