Gwent police job candidates blast rival’s claims

A WAR of words has broken out among the candidates for the job of Gwent Police and Crime commissioner in just the first few days of campaigning for votes.

Former senior policeman Ian Johnston said that recent claims made by rival Chris Wright on Twitter, implying that Mr Johnston was not a truly independent candidate, were unlawful.

He says he may take the matter to Gwent Police if Mr Wright makes the statement again.

On October 6 Mr Wright said on Twitter: “I am the only independent in Gwent. The other is a Conservative/Plaid Cymru man.”

Mr Johnston said: “I believe the public has no appetite for personal attacks on candidates.

“One of the other candidates has decided to act in what I consider an unprofessional manner.

I’m told what he is doing is unlawful.” He said he has been given legal advice that Mr Wright’s conduct amounts to “making a false statement about a candidate in an election”.

Under the Representation of the People Act 1983 it is illegal to make a false statement of fact during an election period relating to the personal character or conduct of a candidate aimed at affecting how many votes a candidate gets.

The offences only relate to statements of ‘fact’, not to expressions of opinion, and a person convicted of such an offence may be fined up to £5,000 and disqualified from voting for five years.

Mr Wright said his comment on Twitter was accurate and based on Mr Johnston’s statements to the Argus.

“He does not meet the definition of an independent candidate.

It means you are acting without political support,” he said.

The former sergeant from Llanbradach cited support for Mr Johnston from prominent Newport Tory councillor David Fouweather and South Wales East Plaid AM Jocelyn Davies, and claims by Mr Johnston he has had other behind-the-scenes encouragement from prominent politicians.

Mr Wright added that he would look forward to speaking to the police or the returning officer Tracey Lee about the issue.

Allegations over address and workplace of opponents denied

IAN Johnston also claimed one of his other opponents did not live in Gwent and another worked away for five days a week.

Both Hamish Sandison, for Labour, and the Tories’ Nick Webb said the claims are not true.

Mr Johnston claimed Mr Sandison works in London Monday to Friday and that Tory candidate Nick Webb lives in Bath, where he works.

“The feedback I’m getting from people is that they want someone who is from Gwent, knows Gwent and lives in Gwent,” he said.

But Mr Sandison, who is a partner in a law firm, said he has “never been in London Monday to Friday”. He said his last significant project was in Swansea with the DVLA and saw him commuting from his home two miles from Usk. He said he averaged one day in London every two weeks during that period.

“Before making untrue allegations Mr Johnston should check the facts with me,” he said, adding that he would give up his partnership in the firm if elected.

Mr Webb said he had never lived in Bath and has lived in Allt-yr-yn in Newport since the summer. He said he lived in Severn Beach, South Gloucestershire, before he moved.

“It’s interesting that the people who are arguing about keeping politics out of policing seem to be trying to play some, rather old-fashioned, political games,” Mr Webb said.

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1:12pm Wed 24 Oct 12

On the inside says...

What do you expect from 'independents'. No policies just a personal agenda. The two independent candidates are a joke.
What do you expect from 'independents'. No policies just a personal agenda. The two independent candidates are a joke. On the inside

1:28pm Wed 24 Oct 12

dereksboy says...

How can we have a commissioner for Gwent when it doesn't exist anymore!
How can we have a commissioner for Gwent when it doesn't exist anymore! dereksboy

2:34pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Cantankerous says...

Valley politics - he is from Llanbradach!
Valley politics - he is from Llanbradach! Cantankerous

3:05pm Wed 24 Oct 12

bobmech1 says...

How can any of them claim to be independent or impartial
Two are political and the other two are ex police
I'm not saying that there would be any bias but to be truly independent surely the candidates should be non political and non ex police, possibly a business/ budget control background
How can any of them claim to be independent or impartial Two are political and the other two are ex police I'm not saying that there would be any bias but to be truly independent surely the candidates should be non political and non ex police, possibly a business/ budget control background bobmech1

3:42pm Wed 24 Oct 12

spanner100 says...

The whole thing is an absolute waste of space. Just another "Job for the Boys".The Non Existent"Gwent Police" will not change one bit. Just wait and see!!!.
The whole thing is an absolute waste of space. Just another "Job for the Boys".The Non Existent"Gwent Police" will not change one bit. Just wait and see!!!. spanner100

5:07pm Wed 24 Oct 12

rightsideup says...

What are these elections costing the taxpayer?.What difference will we see?.Answers a lot and none,I suspect!...
What are these elections costing the taxpayer?.What difference will we see?.Answers a lot and none,I suspect!... rightsideup

5:17pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Independentvoter says...

Im voting for Independent Ian Johnston. Hes politically Independent and has a wealth of experience when it comes to Policing. Top man for the job !
Im voting for Independent Ian Johnston. Hes politically Independent and has a wealth of experience when it comes to Policing. Top man for the job ! Independentvoter

5:36pm Wed 24 Oct 12

Lastpost says...

I am boycotting this election as there will be no option on the ballot paper to indicate that I do not wish to have a Gwent Police and Crime commissioner. The post is just another level of unnecessary management that tax payers will have to fund.
I am boycotting this election as there will be no option on the ballot paper to indicate that I do not wish to have a Gwent Police and Crime commissioner. The post is just another level of unnecessary management that tax payers will have to fund. Lastpost

11:37pm Wed 24 Oct 12

ccc49 says...

I will not be voting for this unnecessary level of bureaucracy. Did anyone ask us if we wanted it? Hold a referendum and let's see if the people want one
I will not be voting for this unnecessary level of bureaucracy. Did anyone ask us if we wanted it? Hold a referendum and let's see if the people want one ccc49

12:32am Thu 25 Oct 12

Trevorrick says...

Welshwoman43. Your comment obviously caused a stir in the politburo! Please get in touch.
Welshwoman43. Your comment obviously caused a stir in the politburo! Please get in touch. Trevorrick

8:48am Thu 25 Oct 12

Owain Vaughan says...

dereksboy wrote:
How can we have a commissioner for Gwent when it doesn't exist anymore!
You are quite right, Gwent does not exist. However, what is proposed is a commissioner for the Police Force area, which unsurprisingly the Argus seem to constantly ignore.
[quote][p][bold]dereksboy[/bold] wrote: How can we have a commissioner for Gwent when it doesn't exist anymore![/p][/quote]You are quite right, Gwent does not exist. However, what is proposed is a commissioner for the Police Force area, which unsurprisingly the Argus seem to constantly ignore. Owain Vaughan

9:15am Thu 25 Oct 12

Dai the Milk says...

How can either ex-police officer be truly independent? It is not possible. Out of the question.
How can either ex-police officer be truly independent? It is not possible. Out of the question. Dai the Milk

9:33am Thu 25 Oct 12

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

Oh, come on now Owain. I know you're not a man to let facts get in the way of your particular hobby horse, but even you must know that your last post simply isn't true.
The job title for this role is Gwent Police and Crime Commissioner, as stated in the opening paragraph of this article.
Go to the Gwent Police Authority website, or the Home Office site, or the individual candidates' sites for confirmation.
Oh, come on now Owain. I know you're not a man to let facts get in the way of your particular hobby horse, but even you must know that your last post simply isn't true. The job title for this role is Gwent Police and Crime Commissioner, as stated in the opening paragraph of this article. Go to the Gwent Police Authority website, or the Home Office site, or the individual candidates' sites for confirmation. Kevin Ward - Editor

12:50pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Owain Vaughan says...

Kevin - do you really think it's appropriate to write a response in such a flippant and insulting manner to a reader?

What I posted is completely factually true - the post is a commissioner for the Gwent Police force area.

I await your apology.
Kevin - do you really think it's appropriate to write a response in such a flippant and insulting manner to a reader? What I posted is completely factually true - the post is a commissioner for the Gwent Police force area. I await your apology. Owain Vaughan

12:56pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Owain Vaughan says...

choosemypcc.org.uk

A police and crime commissioner (PCC) is independent and will be elected to oversee how crime will be tackled in your police force area.
choosemypcc.org.uk A police and crime commissioner (PCC) is independent and will be elected to oversee how crime will be tackled in your [bold]police force area[/bold]. Owain Vaughan

1:13pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Dai the Milk says...

The commissioner, if he or she is to be truly independent, should not be an ex-cop nor from Gwent (or whatever geographic label you choose to give it). I can understand that the person should reside in Gwent to fulfil the role but being from outside Gwent, just as not being an ex-cop, has got to be in the interests of impartiality surely.
The commissioner, if he or she is to be truly independent, should not be an ex-cop nor from Gwent (or whatever geographic label you choose to give it). I can understand that the person should reside in Gwent to fulfil the role but being from outside Gwent, just as not being an ex-cop, has got to be in the interests of impartiality surely. Dai the Milk

1:43pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

Sorry, Owain - I don't think I've anything to apologise for.
You are content to attack the Argus on a regular basis over the use of a word you don't like - I have every right to reply.
Having slightly changed your wording in your initial reply to me, of course saying the PCC for this area covers the Gwent Police force area is true.
But claiming we 'unsuprisingly' 'constantly ignore' the fact the PPC role in this area covers the Gwent Police area is untrue and that is why I have responded robustly.
I would contend using the words Gwent Poice & Crime Commissioner makes it blantantly obvious which force area is being covered other than to those who choose to be overly pedantic.
And, again, I refer you to the candidates on their own websites - all of whom invite the electorate to vote for them as the Gwent Police & Crime Commissioner.
Sorry, Owain - I don't think I've anything to apologise for. You are content to attack the Argus on a regular basis over the use of a word you don't like - I have every right to reply. Having slightly changed your wording in your initial reply to me, of course saying the PCC for this area covers the Gwent Police force area is true. But claiming we 'unsuprisingly' 'constantly ignore' the fact the PPC role in this area covers the Gwent Police area is untrue and that is why I have responded robustly. I would contend using the words Gwent Poice & Crime Commissioner makes it blantantly obvious which force area is being covered other than to those who choose to be overly pedantic. And, again, I refer you to the candidates on their own websites - all of whom invite the electorate to vote for them as the Gwent Police & Crime Commissioner. Kevin Ward - Editor

2:04pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Owain Vaughan says...

I am content to attack the Argus on a regular basis because you are a purported publisher of facts. If you don't like being subject to critique, then you are in the wrong business.

I have changed nothing. Your paper constantly tries to frame everything as being "in" or "for" a nebulous "Gwent" area, whereas this role is specifically for a well-defined statutory Police Force area, but your style deliberately muddies the two. Pedantry is necessary when facts are mixed up with editorial style.

In closing I would just like to clarify that you think it is acceptable in your role as editor to publish inaccurate statements and insults about your own customers?
I am content to attack the Argus on a regular basis because you are a purported publisher of facts. If you don't like being subject to critique, then you are in the wrong business. I have changed nothing. Your paper constantly tries to frame everything as being "in" or "for" a nebulous "Gwent" area, whereas this role is specifically for a well-defined statutory Police Force area, but your style deliberately muddies the two. Pedantry is necessary when facts are mixed up with editorial style. In closing I would just like to clarify that you think it is acceptable in your role as editor to publish inaccurate statements and insults about your own customers? Owain Vaughan

2:13pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

No I don't think that is acceptable Owain. Fortunately, I have not done so.
I have no problem with being criticised but I have the right to reply.
I assume you are also writing to all four PCC candidates to attack their use of the words 'Gwent Police & Crime Commissioner'.
No I don't think that is acceptable Owain. Fortunately, I have not done so. I have no problem with being criticised but I have the right to reply. I assume you are also writing to all four PCC candidates to attack their use of the words 'Gwent Police & Crime Commissioner'. Kevin Ward - Editor

2:19pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Dai the Milk says...

This is not the issue here. This is just a label. The animal we are creating is what concerns me, at huge expense to the taxpayer. Incidentally, if 'Gwent' does not exist, can we please burn all the Yellow Pages in existence and reissue them?
This is not the issue here. This is just a label. The animal we are creating is what concerns me, at huge expense to the taxpayer. Incidentally, if 'Gwent' does not exist, can we please burn all the Yellow Pages in existence and reissue them? Dai the Milk

2:59pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Owain Vaughan says...

Kevin, stop trying to divert the argument away from your insulting of your customers.

The statement "I know you're not a man to let facts get in the way of your particular hobby horse" is a flat-out insult.

The statement "but even you must know that your last post simply isn't true." is inaccurate as you have conceded.

You can defend the content of the article based on the facts alone, without needing to resort to insults and lies. The fact that you dived straight into your defence with both is very telling.
Kevin, stop trying to divert the argument away from your insulting of your customers. The statement "I know you're not a man to let facts get in the way of your particular hobby horse" is a flat-out insult. The statement "but even you must know that your last post simply isn't true." is inaccurate as you have conceded. You can defend the content of the article based on the facts alone, without needing to resort to insults and lies. The fact that you dived straight into your defence with both is very telling. Owain Vaughan

3:22pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

I have not conceded that I have said anything that is inaccurate.
You stated - as a fact - that the Argus 'constantly ignore' that the PCC role is for the Gwent Police force area. That isn't true. It is your opinion.
You believe you have been insulted. That is your opinion. I don't share it.
You're entitled to your opinions Owain - as am I to mine.
I have not conceded that I have said anything that is inaccurate. You stated - as a fact - that the Argus 'constantly ignore' that the PCC role is for the Gwent Police force area. That isn't true. It is your opinion. You believe you have been insulted. That is your opinion. I don't share it. You're entitled to your opinions Owain - as am I to mine. Kevin Ward - Editor

3:28pm Thu 25 Oct 12

anotherindependent says...

Kevin Ward - Editor wrote:
No I don't think that is acceptable Owain. Fortunately, I have not done so.
I have no problem with being criticised but I have the right to reply.
I assume you are also writing to all four PCC candidates to attack their use of the words 'Gwent Police & Crime Commissioner'.
I think what the "pedant" was trying to say was that "Gwent" hasn't existed for many years, apart from in the name of our regional police force. However, The Argus continues to use the word "Gwent" all over this website and in the paper, such as your sub-menu "Gwent News" and headlines such as "Gwent woman falls out of tree".
Why can't you get up to date and change this usage to something such as "Local News" and "Torfaen woman falls out of tree"?
As far as I know, you are the only publisher that continues to use "Gwent" in its editorial copy.
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Ward - Editor[/bold] wrote: No I don't think that is acceptable Owain. Fortunately, I have not done so. I have no problem with being criticised but I have the right to reply. I assume you are also writing to all four PCC candidates to attack their use of the words 'Gwent Police & Crime Commissioner'.[/p][/quote]I think what the "pedant" was trying to say was that "Gwent" hasn't existed for many years, apart from in the name of our regional police force. However, The Argus continues to use the word "Gwent" all over this website and in the paper, such as your sub-menu "Gwent News" and headlines such as "Gwent woman falls out of tree". Why can't you get up to date and change this usage to something such as "Local News" and "Torfaen woman falls out of tree"? As far as I know, you are the only publisher that continues to use "Gwent" in its editorial copy. anotherindependent

3:58pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

I suspect whatever answer I give here won’t be satisfactory … but here goes.
We use Gwent because it best describes the circulation area that we serve.
Having checked the archives, the Argus often used the term Gwent as an alternative description for the old county of Monmouthshire long before 1974.
Local government reorganisation in 1996 means we cover an area that contains five county boroughs. While covering those areas individually, we refer to them by their individual names.
But Gwent remains the best shorthand term for the total area we cover – and no doubt that is one of the reasons why Gwent Police, Coleg Gwent, the Gwent Wildlife Trust and many other organisations and businesses still use it.
We certainly aren't the only publisher or broadcaster who uses Gwent, not least the Gwent Gazette newspaper (which is not owned by us, by the way).
I suspect whatever answer I give here won’t be satisfactory … but here goes. We use Gwent because it best describes the circulation area that we serve. Having checked the archives, the Argus often used the term Gwent as an alternative description for the old county of Monmouthshire long before 1974. Local government reorganisation in 1996 means we cover an area that contains five county boroughs. While covering those areas individually, we refer to them by their individual names. But Gwent remains the best shorthand term for the total area we cover – and no doubt that is one of the reasons why Gwent Police, Coleg Gwent, the Gwent Wildlife Trust and many other organisations and businesses still use it. We certainly aren't the only publisher or broadcaster who uses Gwent, not least the Gwent Gazette newspaper (which is not owned by us, by the way). Kevin Ward - Editor

4:18pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Owain Vaughan says...

There are not five county boroughs, there are five local government principal areas:

One of which is styled as a "county", one of which is styled as a "city" and three of which are styled as "county boroughs".

The best shorthand term with the most historical significance is Monmouthshire and no doubt this is why the Monmouthshire Antiquarian Association, Monmouthshire Railway Society, Monmouthshire Bowling Association, Monmouthshire Masons, Monmouthshire Ladies Golf, Monmouthshire Family History, Monmouthshire Association and Monmouthshire Show use it.
There are not five county boroughs, there are five local government principal areas: One of which is styled as a "county", one of which is styled as a "city" and three of which are styled as "county boroughs". The best shorthand term with the most historical significance is Monmouthshire and no doubt this is why the Monmouthshire Antiquarian Association, Monmouthshire Railway Society, Monmouthshire Bowling Association, Monmouthshire Masons, Monmouthshire Ladies Golf, Monmouthshire Family History, Monmouthshire Association and Monmouthshire Show use it. Owain Vaughan

4:35pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

I rest my case.
I rest my case. Kevin Ward - Editor

4:47pm Thu 25 Oct 12

pensioner2012 says...

Dai the Milk wrote:
How can either ex-police officer be truly independent? It is not possible. Out of the question.
I believe it means independent of politics, not the police. Would you really want an untrained person flying you on your holiday jet, doing any surgical procedure on you or evening driving you on a bus with out knowing how to do so first? think not! they should certainly have experience of the police and its role to us the residents of the area they cover. Gwent.
[quote][p][bold]Dai the Milk[/bold] wrote: How can either ex-police officer be truly independent? It is not possible. Out of the question.[/p][/quote]I believe it means independent of politics, not the police. Would you really want an untrained person flying you on your holiday jet, doing any surgical procedure on you or evening driving you on a bus with out knowing how to do so first? think not! they should certainly have experience of the police and its role to us the residents of the area they cover. Gwent. pensioner2012

5:13pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Independentvoter says...

Probably 99% of Job Vacancies in the UK ask if the potential candidate has the relevent experience for the job that they are applying for.

Non political and a wealth of experience.
Probably 99% of Job Vacancies in the UK ask if the potential candidate has the relevent experience for the job that they are applying for. Non political and a wealth of experience. Independentvoter

6:04pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Dai the Milk says...

But they are not applying for a job as a police officer or even as a supervisory police officer. They are all applying for the post of a commissioner to the police. That is different. A commissioner is a person authorised or 'commissioned' to perform certain tasks on behalf of the public. They do not need to be ex cops or politicians. In the light of impartiality, transparency and fairness they should be neither.
But they are not applying for a job as a police officer or even as a supervisory police officer. They are all applying for the post of a commissioner to the police. That is different. A commissioner is a person authorised or 'commissioned' to perform certain tasks on behalf of the public. They do not need to be ex cops or politicians. In the light of impartiality, transparency and fairness they should be neither. Dai the Milk

10:13pm Thu 25 Oct 12

pensioner2012 says...

Dai the Milk wrote:
But they are not applying for a job as a police officer or even as a supervisory police officer. They are all applying for the post of a commissioner to the police. That is different. A commissioner is a person authorised or 'commissioned' to perform certain tasks on behalf of the public. They do not need to be ex cops or politicians. In the light of impartiality, transparency and fairness they should be neither.
We will agree to disagree, unless the person considering the post is deluded surely they must know how the police work at grass routes other wise they will not be fit to commission. They will have a huge task ahead of them with out trying to learn and understand what the post of constable means and the responsibility the police have to us. Experience is key, NOT politics.
[quote][p][bold]Dai the Milk[/bold] wrote: But they are not applying for a job as a police officer or even as a supervisory police officer. They are all applying for the post of a commissioner to the police. That is different. A commissioner is a person authorised or 'commissioned' to perform certain tasks on behalf of the public. They do not need to be ex cops or politicians. In the light of impartiality, transparency and fairness they should be neither.[/p][/quote]We will agree to disagree, unless the person considering the post is deluded surely they must know how the police work at grass routes other wise they will not be fit to commission. They will have a huge task ahead of them with out trying to learn and understand what the post of constable means and the responsibility the police have to us. Experience is key, NOT politics. pensioner2012

10:28am Fri 26 Oct 12

gadget says...

Save your breath boys ,NOBODY IS GOING TO VOTE , The police have lost any respect from the public through there politicaly correct policies and general holier than thou attitudes towards jo public. You wont lock up persistant offenders and wont go within 100 yards of a traveller . the public are getting robbed blind , so i wouldnt be expecting a big turnout .
Save your breath boys ,NOBODY IS GOING TO VOTE , The police have lost any respect from the public through there politicaly correct policies and general holier than thou attitudes towards jo public. You wont lock up persistant offenders and wont go within 100 yards of a traveller . the public are getting robbed blind , so i wouldnt be expecting a big turnout . gadget

11:22am Fri 26 Oct 12

Dai the Milk says...

Apathy will let the wrong one through the door. VOTE!!! It's important.
Apathy will let the wrong one through the door. VOTE!!! It's important. Dai the Milk

11:38am Fri 26 Oct 12

Cwmderi says...

Dai the Milk wrote:
The commissioner, if he or she is to be truly independent, should not be an ex-cop nor from Gwent (or whatever geographic label you choose to give it). I can understand that the person should reside in Gwent to fulfil the role but being from outside Gwent, just as not being an ex-cop, has got to be in the interests of impartiality surely.
Dai
It appears that you have become so used to being ruled over and dictated to by people from outside Gwent (and Wales) that any change to your indoctrination would be too great to comprehend.
What is wrong with local people taking local decisions, or is that too much like local democracy.
I was not in favour of electing PCCs. Neither was I in favour of paying taxes but if we are to live in a democracy then we cannot bury our heads and pretend it will go away when it does not suit us.
Everyone should exercise their democratic right to a free vote.
So come on Dai, take 5 minutes off your milk cart and place your X.
[quote][p][bold]Dai the Milk[/bold] wrote: The commissioner, if he or she is to be truly independent, should not be an ex-cop nor from Gwent (or whatever geographic label you choose to give it). I can understand that the person should reside in Gwent to fulfil the role but being from outside Gwent, just as not being an ex-cop, has got to be in the interests of impartiality surely.[/p][/quote]Dai It appears that you have become so used to being ruled over and dictated to by people from outside Gwent (and Wales) that any change to your indoctrination would be too great to comprehend. What is wrong with local people taking local decisions, or is that too much like local democracy. I was not in favour of electing PCCs. Neither was I in favour of paying taxes but if we are to live in a democracy then we cannot bury our heads and pretend it will go away when it does not suit us. Everyone should exercise their democratic right to a free vote. So come on Dai, take 5 minutes off your milk cart and place your X. Cwmderi

12:27pm Fri 26 Oct 12

Dai the Milk says...

Cwmderi,

This is not about 'ruling' or being 'dictated to'. It is about having a healthy, impartial, unbiased overview of policing decisions. Indoctrination happens when parochialism gets out of hand by the way.....when we fail to look outwards or invite ideas from outside the tent. It seems you are happy to exist in that situation. Chiefs of police wield enormous power over our daily lives. Checks and balances are necessary and they should come in the form of outsiders, completely unconnected with the role who have a track record of fairness and impartiality. I shall use my 15 minute break from my cart wisely.....I suggest you do too.
Cwmderi, This is not about 'ruling' or being 'dictated to'. It is about having a healthy, impartial, unbiased overview of policing decisions. Indoctrination happens when parochialism gets out of hand by the way.....when we fail to look outwards or invite ideas from outside the tent. It seems you are happy to exist in that situation. Chiefs of police wield enormous power over our daily lives. Checks and balances are necessary and they should come in the form of outsiders, completely unconnected with the role who have a track record of fairness and impartiality. I shall use my 15 minute break from my cart wisely.....I suggest you do too. Dai the Milk

3:26pm Fri 26 Oct 12

high x boy says...

what a total waste of money.
what a total waste of money. high x boy

3:42pm Fri 26 Oct 12

Dai the Milk says...

Probably cheaper than a Police Authority mind.
Probably cheaper than a Police Authority mind. Dai the Milk

7:12pm Sat 27 Oct 12

anotherindependent says...

Kevin Ward - Editor wrote:
I suspect whatever answer I give here won’t be satisfactory … but here goes.
We use Gwent because it best describes the circulation area that we serve.
Having checked the archives, the Argus often used the term Gwent as an alternative description for the old county of Monmouthshire long before 1974.
Local government reorganisation in 1996 means we cover an area that contains five county boroughs. While covering those areas individually, we refer to them by their individual names.
But Gwent remains the best shorthand term for the total area we cover – and no doubt that is one of the reasons why Gwent Police, Coleg Gwent, the Gwent Wildlife Trust and many other organisations and businesses still use it.
We certainly aren't the only publisher or broadcaster who uses Gwent, not least the Gwent Gazette newspaper (which is not owned by us, by the way).
Might I suggest that you check out some of your company's other websites to see what they do?
For instance, The Southren Daily Echo's local news section is divided into subsections entitled "Districts".
http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/district
/
"Districts" then displays a sub-menu containing: Southampton, Eastleigh, Fareham. New Forest, Romsey and Winchester.
All nice and simple - you click on the area you live in or want to read about and there it all is.
If you abandoned your "Gwent" fixation and restructured your website in a similar fashion, your "districts" would be: Newport, Torfaen, Monmouthshire, Blaenau Gwent and Caerphilly.
Go on - give it a try. You know you want to...
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Ward - Editor[/bold] wrote: I suspect whatever answer I give here won’t be satisfactory … but here goes. We use Gwent because it best describes the circulation area that we serve. Having checked the archives, the Argus often used the term Gwent as an alternative description for the old county of Monmouthshire long before 1974. Local government reorganisation in 1996 means we cover an area that contains five county boroughs. While covering those areas individually, we refer to them by their individual names. But Gwent remains the best shorthand term for the total area we cover – and no doubt that is one of the reasons why Gwent Police, Coleg Gwent, the Gwent Wildlife Trust and many other organisations and businesses still use it. We certainly aren't the only publisher or broadcaster who uses Gwent, not least the Gwent Gazette newspaper (which is not owned by us, by the way).[/p][/quote]Might I suggest that you check out some of your company's other websites to see what they do? For instance, The Southren Daily Echo's local news section is divided into subsections entitled "Districts". http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/district / "Districts" then displays a sub-menu containing: Southampton, Eastleigh, Fareham. New Forest, Romsey and Winchester. All nice and simple - you click on the area you live in or want to read about and there it all is. If you abandoned your "Gwent" fixation and restructured your website in a similar fashion, your "districts" would be: Newport, Torfaen, Monmouthshire, Blaenau Gwent and Caerphilly. Go on - give it a try. You know you want to... anotherindependent

1:38pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Radio Wales says...

Few things irritate me (in Newport) more that being forced by computers to concede that I live in Gwent. I don't because there is no such place. Gwent is dead, it's well past time it had a decent burial.

Further, having listened to the arguments I can't really see the point of paying telephone numbers to someone to issue forth common-sense suggestions that the rest of us have been offering for years and been roundly ignored. If they wouldn't take any notice of us, then they won't take notice of a pleb with a commission either.
Let's face it, the police don't live on the same planet as us any more - and if they live in Gwent - Well, there's the proof.
Few things irritate me (in Newport) more that being forced by computers to concede that I live in Gwent. I don't because there is no such place. Gwent is dead, it's well past time it had a decent burial. Further, having listened to the arguments I can't really see the point of paying telephone numbers to someone to issue forth common-sense suggestions that the rest of us have been offering for years and been roundly ignored. If they wouldn't take any notice of us, then they won't take notice of a pleb with a commission either. Let's face it, the police don't live on the same planet as us any more - and if they live in Gwent - Well, there's the proof. Radio Wales

1:40pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Cwmderi says...

Dai the Milk wrote:
Cwmderi,

This is not about 'ruling' or being 'dictated to'. It is about having a healthy, impartial, unbiased overview of policing decisions. Indoctrination happens when parochialism gets out of hand by the way.....when we fail to look outwards or invite ideas from outside the tent. It seems you are happy to exist in that situation. Chiefs of police wield enormous power over our daily lives. Checks and balances are necessary and they should come in the form of outsiders, completely unconnected with the role who have a track record of fairness and impartiality. I shall use my 15 minute break from my cart wisely.....I suggest you do too.
Good Lord Dai, sounds as if your milk has turned.

Still can't understand why you are so obsessed with the idea that outsiders are best qualified for this type of position.

Just to reassure you, I am unable cast my vote in person on the day but will be exercising my democratic right to vote by proxy.
[quote][p][bold]Dai the Milk[/bold] wrote: Cwmderi, This is not about 'ruling' or being 'dictated to'. It is about having a healthy, impartial, unbiased overview of policing decisions. Indoctrination happens when parochialism gets out of hand by the way.....when we fail to look outwards or invite ideas from outside the tent. It seems you are happy to exist in that situation. Chiefs of police wield enormous power over our daily lives. Checks and balances are necessary and they should come in the form of outsiders, completely unconnected with the role who have a track record of fairness and impartiality. I shall use my 15 minute break from my cart wisely.....I suggest you do too.[/p][/quote]Good Lord Dai, sounds as if your milk has turned. Still can't understand why you are so obsessed with the idea that outsiders are best qualified for this type of position. Just to reassure you, I am unable cast my vote in person on the day but will be exercising my democratic right to vote by proxy. Cwmderi

3:51pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Cwmderi says...

I'll be voting but deal me out of this continued exchange that has now deteriorated to playground name calling.
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I'll be voting but deal me out of this continued exchange that has now deteriorated to playground name calling. END Cwmderi

3:51pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Cwmderi says...

I'll be voting but deal me out of this continued exchange that has now deteriorated to playground name calling.
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I'll be voting but deal me out of this continued exchange that has now deteriorated to playground name calling. END Cwmderi

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