£10m to be spent on Newport tower blocks refurb

South Wales Argus: £10m PROJECT: Milton Court in Ringland is one of the tower blocks in Newport due to be refurbished £10m PROJECT: Milton Court in Ringland is one of the tower blocks in Newport due to be refurbished

NEWPORT City Homes (NCH) is to spend in the region of £10 million refurbishing its three tower blocks.

Preparation work on Greenwood in St Julians, Hillview in Gaer and Ringland’s Milton Court will begin this month.

The project will be carried out in stages over a two year time span as NCH tries to minimise the disruption to residents.

Each block contains 82 flats, but some are currently unoccupied.

Flats will get double glazed windows, new electric heating systems will be installed and electric panel radiators will improve the energy efficiency of all homes.

The layout of flats will also change to give the best use of space and will see bathrooms, bedrooms and lounges accessed from the hallways.

Tenants will also get new kitchens and bathrooms.

They can choose from four designs picking out everything from the floor finish to the wall tiles.

But externally the three tower blocks built decades ago will be transformed with new roofs and cladding which is designed to improve the buildings’ insulation.

The work, which already has planning permission, is being completed to bring homes up to Welsh housing quality standards.

As well as the flats, communal areas will get a fresh lick of paint and security will be improved with new door entry systems.

Contractor Wates Living Spaces (Wates) has been appointed and will be at each block for at least nine to 12 months.

Car parking facilities will be out of bounds as work takes place.

NCH has appointed a liaison officer for each tower block so residents will have access to information and support during the whole term of the refurbishment work.

In coming weeks all residents will be visited and will receive full details on the project, including the possibility of a temporary home move if needed, as work is carried out.

A show flat will soon be open in each block so tenants can see what their home could look like.

For more information visit newportcityhomes.com or visit channel 624 on your local digi-tv service.

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6:57pm Thu 25 Oct 12

Limestonecowboy says...

The improvement works are necessary to comply with WAG standards of housing including addressing the effects of poorly insulated homes.

Many rely on old & inefficient heating systems which are expensive to run so this scheme can help those stay out of fuel poverty.

With respect to some of the unfortunate views (above) - our taxes also go towards the NHS so using that argument should care be withdrawn for someone unable to work due to life-theatening illness??
The improvement works are necessary to comply with WAG standards of housing including addressing the effects of poorly insulated homes. Many rely on old & inefficient heating systems which are expensive to run so this scheme can help those stay out of fuel poverty. With respect to some of the unfortunate views (above) - our taxes also go towards the NHS so using that argument should care be withdrawn for someone unable to work due to life-theatening illness?? Limestonecowboy

11:11am Fri 26 Oct 12

jameshargreaves says...

THEY ARE ONLY DOING THIS TO MEET WITH THE GOVERNMENTS GREEN TARGETS AS THESE TYPES OF CHEAP BUILDINGS WERE PUT UP FOR TEMPORARY MEASURES BUT NEVER TAKEN DOWN THEY ARE HIGHLE INEFFICIENT IN TERMS ODF ENERGY IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE TO GENERATE HEAT AND THEN ALL LOST THROUGH THE WALLS AND ROOF ETC.
THEY ARE ONLY DOING THIS TO MEET WITH THE GOVERNMENTS GREEN TARGETS AS THESE TYPES OF CHEAP BUILDINGS WERE PUT UP FOR TEMPORARY MEASURES BUT NEVER TAKEN DOWN THEY ARE HIGHLE INEFFICIENT IN TERMS ODF ENERGY IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE TO GENERATE HEAT AND THEN ALL LOST THROUGH THE WALLS AND ROOF ETC. jameshargreaves

11:13am Fri 26 Oct 12

Strider says...

Argus censorship strikes again!! Maybe you should just close the comments entirely as you've removed and closed comments on several recent story's!
Argus censorship strikes again!! Maybe you should just close the comments entirely as you've removed and closed comments on several recent story's! Strider

12:20pm Fri 26 Oct 12

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1:17pm Fri 26 Oct 12

NakedDancer says...

A total waste of £10M on these eyesores that are old, inefficient and outdated strategies for housing. I think these are the only 3 tower blocks on estates in Newport, all in prominent unsightly positions.

OK it may cost more to demolish them and build proper housing but just bite the bullet and get it done properly.
A total waste of £10M on these eyesores that are old, inefficient and outdated strategies for housing. I think these are the only 3 tower blocks on estates in Newport, all in prominent unsightly positions. OK it may cost more to demolish them and build proper housing but just bite the bullet and get it done properly. NakedDancer

11:11pm Fri 26 Oct 12

chris227 says...

disgraceful no wonder alot in gwent have taken the walking stick (disabled) path in life spending 40 k each on these flats. i cannot understand where these housing associations get all there cash from all have trendy new offices and company cars i take it its just a registered charity receiving housing benefits.
disgraceful no wonder alot in gwent have taken the walking stick (disabled) path in life spending 40 k each on these flats. i cannot understand where these housing associations get all there cash from all have trendy new offices and company cars i take it its just a registered charity receiving housing benefits. chris227

8:24am Sat 27 Oct 12

Cantankerous says...

Housing association borrows the money, employment created, tenants' rents repay the borrowing, everyone is a winner - QED!
Housing association borrows the money, employment created, tenants' rents repay the borrowing, everyone is a winner - QED! Cantankerous

2:38pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Bobevans says...

Cantankerous wrote:
Housing association borrows the money, employment created, tenants' rents repay the borrowing, everyone is a winner - QED!
The slight problem is the rents come nowhere near covering the costs
[quote][p][bold]Cantankerous[/bold] wrote: Housing association borrows the money, employment created, tenants' rents repay the borrowing, everyone is a winner - QED![/p][/quote]The slight problem is the rents come nowhere near covering the costs Bobevans

2:51pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Cantankerous says...

Bobevans wrote:
Cantankerous wrote:
Housing association borrows the money, employment created, tenants' rents repay the borrowing, everyone is a winner - QED!
The slight problem is the rents come nowhere near covering the costs
How would you know Bobevans?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cantankerous[/bold] wrote: Housing association borrows the money, employment created, tenants' rents repay the borrowing, everyone is a winner - QED![/p][/quote]The slight problem is the rents come nowhere near covering the costs[/p][/quote]How would you know Bobevans? Cantankerous

3:42pm Sat 27 Oct 12

chris227 says...

bob just out of interest how does it work i thought they were just a massive dss landlord for want of a better word (like the old slum landlord but not making a profit)
bob just out of interest how does it work i thought they were just a massive dss landlord for want of a better word (like the old slum landlord but not making a profit) chris227

3:56pm Sun 28 Oct 12

Cantankerous says...

7,000+ Homes rented to all manner of tenants - some working, some retired, some ill, some not working - who pay rent :-)

Not complicated but most certainly not "a massive dss landlord" - that was somewhat offensive chris227 :-(
7,000+ Homes rented to all manner of tenants - some working, some retired, some ill, some not working - who pay rent :-) Not complicated but most certainly not "a massive dss landlord" - that was somewhat offensive chris227 :-( Cantankerous

8:50am Mon 29 Oct 12

Bobevans says...

chris227 wrote:
bob just out of interest how does it work i thought they were just a massive dss landlord for want of a better word (like the old slum landlord but not making a profit)
Slight of hand mainly. Work it out £10M borrowed to refurb about 250 homes thats £40,000a flat and thats not inluuding interest. Average Social House Rent £250 a month.

This gives about a £400 a month shortfull per social home across Wales


So how does it work. The first trick was almost all the social homes were originally owned by the councils. They could not afford to maintain them so they transfered these homes which in effect were owned by the taxpayers to Housing aAssosiations at ZERO cost ie they gave them away

The Councils and the WAG also commited to providing the funds to modernize and upgrade the homes.

The Housing associations in turn agreed to build now social homes but to do that they need to borrow money. THis is where the next part of the trick comes in. They borrow against the assestvalue of the honmes as although they got them for nothing they do have a real market value.

The fundermental flaw in this is it is a bit like what Gordon Brown got up to. It works for a time only once the Housing Assosiation have borrowed to the limit against the Free Housing stock they no longer have access to borrowing money.

They also have the probblemthat the new houses they build have cost them real money but the rent they charge will not cover it sothey have to subsidise it but they can only do that by using the money they borrowed againt the Free Housing stock so pretty quickly the Housing Association will run out of money. May be 5 years, maybe 10. What happens then whoknows. Rents go up very significantly?
[quote][p][bold]chris227[/bold] wrote: bob just out of interest how does it work i thought they were just a massive dss landlord for want of a better word (like the old slum landlord but not making a profit)[/p][/quote]Slight of hand mainly. Work it out £10M borrowed to refurb about 250 homes thats £40,000a flat and thats not inluuding interest. Average Social House Rent £250 a month. This gives about a £400 a month shortfull per social home across Wales So how does it work. The first trick was almost all the social homes were originally owned by the councils. They could not afford to maintain them so they transfered these homes which in effect were owned by the taxpayers to Housing aAssosiations at ZERO cost ie they gave them away The Councils and the WAG also commited to providing the funds to modernize and upgrade the homes. The Housing associations in turn agreed to build now social homes but to do that they need to borrow money. THis is where the next part of the trick comes in. They borrow against the assestvalue of the honmes as although they got them for nothing they do have a real market value. The fundermental flaw in this is it is a bit like what Gordon Brown got up to. It works for a time only once the Housing Assosiation have borrowed to the limit against the Free Housing stock they no longer have access to borrowing money. They also have the probblemthat the new houses they build have cost them real money but the rent they charge will not cover it sothey have to subsidise it but they can only do that by using the money they borrowed againt the Free Housing stock so pretty quickly the Housing Association will run out of money. May be 5 years, maybe 10. What happens then whoknows. Rents go up very significantly? Bobevans

8:30pm Mon 29 Oct 12

chris227 says...

oh now i see i actually went for a job in caerphilly for united welsh the offices were fab no expense spared, plasma tv's in reception and canteen etc and ones for newport housing look nice never been inside though ( not as plush as the WAG though , i think you have to visit a Russian Oligarch house in chelsea to beat them) . just wondered where all the cash was coming from.
oh now i see i actually went for a job in caerphilly for united welsh the offices were fab no expense spared, plasma tv's in reception and canteen etc and ones for newport housing look nice never been inside though ( not as plush as the WAG though , i think you have to visit a Russian Oligarch house in chelsea to beat them) . just wondered where all the cash was coming from. chris227

10:18pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Cantankerous says...

Much ill informed comment!
Much ill informed comment! Cantankerous

9:13am Tue 30 Oct 12

Bobevans says...

I dread to think how muchh the Housing Association charge out for repairs

I had to laugh at a news item. The parents of a school wanted a Lollypop lady. The local council said they had no money so they said they would pay her wages. Typically they get about £3,800

The council then wrote back to them telling them it would cost. Now weep at this point. You just could not make it up

Salary & Administration £8342

Safety Audit, Recruitment,
Training & Infrustructure £27,342

Decomissioninhg
& Redundancy £19,500


A sensible cost in my view including wages would be about £5400

Councils must live in parrell universe they are certainly not in the real world

The mind boggles as well as to how you decommision a lollypop lady. All there would be to do would be to hand back her protective clothing and lollypop
I dread to think how muchh the Housing Association charge out for repairs I had to laugh at a news item. The parents of a school wanted a Lollypop lady. The local council said they had no money so they said they would pay her wages. Typically they get about £3,800 The council then wrote back to them telling them it would cost. Now weep at this point. You just could not make it up Salary & Administration £8342 Safety Audit, Recruitment, Training & Infrustructure £27,342 Decomissioninhg & Redundancy £19,500 A sensible cost in my view including wages would be about £5400 Councils must live in parrell universe they are certainly not in the real world The mind boggles as well as to how you decommision a lollypop lady. All there would be to do would be to hand back her protective clothing and lollypop Bobevans

6:23pm Tue 30 Oct 12

chris227 says...

tragic bob but nothing suprises me about the public sector i watched the news this evening apparently 350k was wasted by the home office getting leaflets printed in english then throwing them straight in the bin because they were not bi-lingual - http://www.guardian.
co.uk/uk/2012/oct/29
/police-commissioner
-election-ballots-bl
under - public sector workers have no shame or do not know the value of money
tragic bob but nothing suprises me about the public sector i watched the news this evening apparently 350k was wasted by the home office getting leaflets printed in english then throwing them straight in the bin because they were not bi-lingual - http://www.guardian. co.uk/uk/2012/oct/29 /police-commissioner -election-ballots-bl under - public sector workers have no shame or do not know the value of money chris227

2:49am Wed 31 Oct 12

The People's Republic of Newp says...

chris227 wrote:
oh now i see i actually went for a job in caerphilly for united welsh the offices were fab no expense spared, plasma tv's in reception and canteen etc and ones for newport housing look nice never been inside though ( not as plush as the WAG though , i think you have to visit a Russian Oligarch house in chelsea to beat them) . just wondered where all the cash was coming from.
Remarkably ill-informed and inaccurate.
[quote][p][bold]chris227[/bold] wrote: oh now i see i actually went for a job in caerphilly for united welsh the offices were fab no expense spared, plasma tv's in reception and canteen etc and ones for newport housing look nice never been inside though ( not as plush as the WAG though , i think you have to visit a Russian Oligarch house in chelsea to beat them) . just wondered where all the cash was coming from.[/p][/quote]Remarkably ill-informed and inaccurate. The People's Republic of Newp

1:46pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Bobevans says...

Noi it is accurate. The housing stock was transfered to the housing association at zero cost. The WAG and the councils agree to pickup the cost of modernising them.

If we assume 250 flats in these blocks and assume a market vvalue of £60K each that gives the Housing association £15M if equity they can borrow against

Now in the short term you can hold the rents down at unecomomic rates because they have very low costs but as new homes are built these are a real cost. They also have to pay the interest on the loans as well as paying out for maintainace costs. On the houses with real costs the rents will probably only cover about 25% of the total costs.
Noi it is accurate. The housing stock was transfered to the housing association at zero cost. The WAG and the councils agree to pickup the cost of modernising them. If we assume 250 flats in these blocks and assume a market vvalue of £60K each that gives the Housing association £15M if equity they can borrow against Now in the short term you can hold the rents down at unecomomic rates because they have very low costs but as new homes are built these are a real cost. They also have to pay the interest on the loans as well as paying out for maintainace costs. On the houses with real costs the rents will probably only cover about 25% of the total costs. Bobevans

1:46pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Bobevans says...

Noi it is accurate. The housing stock was transfered to the housing association at zero cost. The WAG and the councils agree to pickup the cost of modernising them.

If we assume 250 flats in these blocks and assume a market vvalue of £60K each that gives the Housing association £15M if equity they can borrow against

Now in the short term you can hold the rents down at unecomomic rates because they have very low costs but as new homes are built these are a real cost. They also have to pay the interest on the loans as well as paying out for maintainace costs. On the houses with real costs the rents will probably only cover about 25% of the total costs.
Noi it is accurate. The housing stock was transfered to the housing association at zero cost. The WAG and the councils agree to pickup the cost of modernising them. If we assume 250 flats in these blocks and assume a market vvalue of £60K each that gives the Housing association £15M if equity they can borrow against Now in the short term you can hold the rents down at unecomomic rates because they have very low costs but as new homes are built these are a real cost. They also have to pay the interest on the loans as well as paying out for maintainace costs. On the houses with real costs the rents will probably only cover about 25% of the total costs. Bobevans

1:46pm Wed 31 Oct 12

Bobevans says...

Noi it is accurate. The housing stock was transfered to the housing association at zero cost. The WAG and the councils agree to pickup the cost of modernising them.

If we assume 250 flats in these blocks and assume a market vvalue of £60K each that gives the Housing association £15M if equity they can borrow against

Now in the short term you can hold the rents down at unecomomic rates because they have very low costs but as new homes are built these are a real cost. They also have to pay the interest on the loans as well as paying out for maintainace costs. On the houses with real costs the rents will probably only cover about 25% of the total costs.
Noi it is accurate. The housing stock was transfered to the housing association at zero cost. The WAG and the councils agree to pickup the cost of modernising them. If we assume 250 flats in these blocks and assume a market vvalue of £60K each that gives the Housing association £15M if equity they can borrow against Now in the short term you can hold the rents down at unecomomic rates because they have very low costs but as new homes are built these are a real cost. They also have to pay the interest on the loans as well as paying out for maintainace costs. On the houses with real costs the rents will probably only cover about 25% of the total costs. Bobevans

4:03pm Wed 31 Oct 12

merlin the silure says...

I've got the answer for refurbing these tower blocks--SEMTEX
I've got the answer for refurbing these tower blocks--SEMTEX merlin the silure

12:58am Thu 1 Nov 12

Howie' says...

Bobevans wrote:
Cantankerous wrote:
Housing association borrows the money, employment created, tenants' rents repay the borrowing, everyone is a winner - QED!
The slight problem is the rents come nowhere near covering the costs
Never let facts get in the way of a good bit of BS eh, Bob. I demonstrated to you on the thread 'Wales to Build 7,500 affordable Homes' but you are still banging on with your rubbish with nothing to back it up.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cantankerous[/bold] wrote: Housing association borrows the money, employment created, tenants' rents repay the borrowing, everyone is a winner - QED![/p][/quote]The slight problem is the rents come nowhere near covering the costs[/p][/quote]Never let facts get in the way of a good bit of BS eh, Bob. I demonstrated to you on the thread 'Wales to Build 7,500 affordable Homes' but you are still banging on with your rubbish with nothing to back it up. Howie'

1:06am Thu 1 Nov 12

Howie' says...

Bobevans wrote:
chris227 wrote:
bob just out of interest how does it work i thought they were just a massive dss landlord for want of a better word (like the old slum landlord but not making a profit)
Slight of hand mainly. Work it out £10M borrowed to refurb about 250 homes thats £40,000a flat and thats not inluuding interest. Average Social House Rent £250 a month.

This gives about a £400 a month shortfull per social home across Wales


So how does it work. The first trick was almost all the social homes were originally owned by the councils. They could not afford to maintain them so they transfered these homes which in effect were owned by the taxpayers to Housing aAssosiations at ZERO cost ie they gave them away

The Councils and the WAG also commited to providing the funds to modernize and upgrade the homes.

The Housing associations in turn agreed to build now social homes but to do that they need to borrow money. THis is where the next part of the trick comes in. They borrow against the assestvalue of the honmes as although they got them for nothing they do have a real market value.

The fundermental flaw in this is it is a bit like what Gordon Brown got up to. It works for a time only once the Housing Assosiation have borrowed to the limit against the Free Housing stock they no longer have access to borrowing money.

They also have the probblemthat the new houses they build have cost them real money but the rent they charge will not cover it sothey have to subsidise it but they can only do that by using the money they borrowed againt the Free Housing stock so pretty quickly the Housing Association will run out of money. May be 5 years, maybe 10. What happens then whoknows. Rents go up very significantly?
£250 a month eh, Bob? You really do make it up as you go don't you. If you look on the 'Newport City Homes' social housing website:

http://www.homeoptio

nsnewport.co.uk/Data

/ASPPages/1/43.aspx

There you will see houses from Pill and Maesglas. The Maesglas one is £89.47 pw or £377.40 a month + council tax and water rates, now stick with me on this Bob because I know it's difficult for you. If £377.40 represents 68% of what that house would go for in the private sector then the private rent would be £560.............ar

e you keeping up? Now do you think that is about correct that as I quoted 'insidehousing.co.uk ' as saying social housing rents are roughly 68% of private rents. Perhaps you would like to tell us all where you get the £250 per month figure from.

The rest of what you have stated is total rubbish, no point in asking you to back up these claims with some substantiated facts I suppose.............
..................No I thought not!
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris227[/bold] wrote: bob just out of interest how does it work i thought they were just a massive dss landlord for want of a better word (like the old slum landlord but not making a profit)[/p][/quote]Slight of hand mainly. Work it out £10M borrowed to refurb about 250 homes thats £40,000a flat and thats not inluuding interest. Average Social House Rent £250 a month. This gives about a £400 a month shortfull per social home across Wales So how does it work. The first trick was almost all the social homes were originally owned by the councils. They could not afford to maintain them so they transfered these homes which in effect were owned by the taxpayers to Housing aAssosiations at ZERO cost ie they gave them away The Councils and the WAG also commited to providing the funds to modernize and upgrade the homes. The Housing associations in turn agreed to build now social homes but to do that they need to borrow money. THis is where the next part of the trick comes in. They borrow against the assestvalue of the honmes as although they got them for nothing they do have a real market value. The fundermental flaw in this is it is a bit like what Gordon Brown got up to. It works for a time only once the Housing Assosiation have borrowed to the limit against the Free Housing stock they no longer have access to borrowing money. They also have the probblemthat the new houses they build have cost them real money but the rent they charge will not cover it sothey have to subsidise it but they can only do that by using the money they borrowed againt the Free Housing stock so pretty quickly the Housing Association will run out of money. May be 5 years, maybe 10. What happens then whoknows. Rents go up very significantly?[/p][/quote]£250 a month eh, Bob? You really do make it up as you go don't you. If you look on the 'Newport City Homes' social housing website: http://www.homeoptio nsnewport.co.uk/Data /ASPPages/1/43.aspx There you will see houses from Pill and Maesglas. The Maesglas one is £89.47 pw or £377.40 a month + council tax and water rates, now stick with me on this Bob because I know it's difficult for you. If £377.40 represents 68% of what that house would go for in the private sector then the private rent would be £560.............ar e you keeping up? Now do you think that is about correct that as I quoted 'insidehousing.co.uk ' as saying social housing rents are roughly 68% of private rents. Perhaps you would like to tell us all where you get the £250 per month figure from. The rest of what you have stated is total rubbish, no point in asking you to back up these claims with some substantiated facts I suppose............. ..................No I thought not! Howie'

5:47am Fri 2 Nov 12

russ angel says...

I have been living with Newport City Homes for a few years and I have had nothing but help and great accommodation,and I will stand by that.I have never had an issue or problem,and I have great neighbours who have become friends.We have a great community in the Gaer and I am happy to stay here for many years.I am happy with the plans for the renovations and they have made optionts for us to be relocated if we require.
I have been living with Newport City Homes for a few years and I have had nothing but help and great accommodation,and I will stand by that.I have never had an issue or problem,and I have great neighbours who have become friends.We have a great community in the Gaer and I am happy to stay here for many years.I am happy with the plans for the renovations and they have made optionts for us to be relocated if we require. russ angel

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