More than 1,000 support Boxing Day hunt in Abergavenny (From South Wales Argus)

is this news does anyone really care, a bunch of toffs out for a good days killing.
hope they came home very wet and fox less, sorry but christmas time i dont want to read about these people with blood on their hands

I don't hunt myself and don't want to but the concept of hunts being followed by a bunch of toffs is simply not true. Most are ordinary folk and perfectly nice people. This class warrior toff stuff is out of time.

I don't hunt myself and don't want to but the concept of hunts being followed by a bunch of toffs is simply not true. Most are ordinary folk and perfectly nice people. This class warrior toff stuff is out of time.

ok then, and so is hunting poor foxes all over the country side Woodgnome

I have no problem with a view against hunting - but base your views on evidence not class war..

Maybe those who take their children along to such a barbaric event should educate and prepare them before hand by getting their neighbours dogs to tear their cat appart in their back gardens after drinking their Boxing Day tipple and blowing as hard as they can on the new hunting horns they had for Christmas.
I hope the Holly Lamb of God does not get in path of these barbarians during their hunt, for they will surely prerish in the same way as gods other creatures.

In a country like ours which tolerates partial birth abortions I would find it extremely hard to get all huffy and puffy about a few folks riding round on horses, but I'm sure the overwhelming self righteousness of Cwmderi (I do love the "holly lamb", really do) and gatty is perfectly genuine.

The only reason Labour banned hunting is because they cant move on from this class thing.If they want to help their voters they should improve the inner-city dumps they live in and keep their noses out of the countryside where they dont even vote Labour.

Dai Rear wrote:
In a country like ours which tolerates partial birth abortions I would find it extremely hard to get all huffy and puffy about a few folks riding round on horses, but I'm sure the overwhelming self righteousness of Cwmderi (I do love the "holly lamb", really do) and gatty is perfectly genuine.

Dai
Glad someone latched onto the 'Holly' bit. Thought it would be more reflective of the season.
Mary Christmas

Magor wrote:
The only reason Labour banned hunting is because they cant move on from this class thing.If they want to help their voters they should improve the inner-city dumps they live in and keep their noses out of the countryside where they dont even vote Labour.

Nothing to do with the latest opinion polls showing 80+% against fox hunting then. You could argue that it's a political party in tune with the wishes of the electorate. Even the Tory's have smelt the coffee and have now said they will not change the law because they no longer have the support.

Howie' wrote:

Magor wrote:
The only reason Labour banned hunting is because they cant move on from this class thing.If they want to help their voters they should improve the inner-city dumps they live in and keep their noses out of the countryside where they dont even vote Labour.

Nothing to do with the latest opinion polls showing 80+% against fox hunting then. You could argue that it's a political party in tune with the wishes of the electorate. Even the Tory's have smelt the coffee and have now said they will not change the law because they no longer have the support.

I think you are right-the proportion of the population in this tiny island living in ghastly urbanisations is about 80%, up from 70% 15 years ago thanks to The Great Failure's open-door immigration policy. But how strange that our venal selected (I won't say "elected" because of parachuting into safe constituencies) MP's never have a vote on executions for certain classes of murderer, which also enjoy 70%+ support, and generally I suspect, not just from the miserable in their town & city ghettos.

Howie' wrote:

Magor wrote:
The only reason Labour banned hunting is because they cant move on from this class thing.If they want to help their voters they should improve the inner-city dumps they live in and keep their noses out of the countryside where they dont even vote Labour.

Nothing to do with the latest opinion polls showing 80+% against fox hunting then. You could argue that it's a political party in tune with the wishes of the electorate. Even the Tory's have smelt the coffee and have now said they will not change the law because they no longer have the support.

On this line of thought Howie, the majority of us no longer wish to be part of the perversion of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights by further education college lecturers from Hungary masquerading as judges in the Human Rights Court and certainly no longer wish to be part of the autocracy which is the EU, but none of our wonderful "leaders" takes a blind bit of notice.

Dai Rear wrote:

Howie' wrote:

Magor wrote:
The only reason Labour banned hunting is because they cant move on from this class thing.If they want to help their voters they should improve the inner-city dumps they live in and keep their noses out of the countryside where they dont even vote Labour.

Nothing to do with the latest opinion polls showing 80+% against fox hunting then. You could argue that it's a political party in tune with the wishes of the electorate. Even the Tory's have smelt the coffee and have now said they will not change the law because they no longer have the support.

I think you are right-the proportion of the population in this tiny island living in ghastly urbanisations is about 80%, up from 70% 15 years ago thanks to The Great Failure's open-door immigration policy. But how strange that our venal selected (I won't say "elected" because of parachuting into safe constituencies) MP's never have a vote on executions for certain classes of murderer, which also enjoy 70%+ support, and generally I suspect, not just from the miserable in their town & city ghettos.

So your another one that's swallowed the 'Townie' versus the 'Country Yokel' argument that people in towns don't and can't understand the issue of foxhunting. That's a pathetic and bankrupt idea used by people who have lost the argument. A lot of the people who are anti's also live in the country.

It's not strange at all that we do not have a vote on capital punishment, europe, which has banned CP has the least amount of murders per head of population and reintroducing CP would see more people, not less, murdered. You really need to spend some time reading the arguments in favour and against, they are very illuminating.

Dai Rear wrote:

Howie' wrote:

Magor wrote:
The only reason Labour banned hunting is because they cant move on from this class thing.If they want to help their voters they should improve the inner-city dumps they live in and keep their noses out of the countryside where they dont even vote Labour.

Nothing to do with the latest opinion polls showing 80+% against fox hunting then. You could argue that it's a political party in tune with the wishes of the electorate. Even the Tory's have smelt the coffee and have now said they will not change the law because they no longer have the support.

On this line of thought Howie, the majority of us no longer wish to be part of the perversion of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights by further education college lecturers from Hungary masquerading as judges in the Human Rights Court and certainly no longer wish to be part of the autocracy which is the EU, but none of our wonderful "leaders" takes a blind bit of notice.

'perversion of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights'.

Perversion eh Dai? Have you ever read it or have you just swallowed the bull from the Daily Mail?

Here you are Dai, the simplified version. It won't take you 5 minutes to read it and maybe you can tell us what exactly is perverted about it?




Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Article 1 ‐ Obligation to respect human rights

States must ensure that everyone has the rights stated in this Convention.

Article 2 ‐ Right to life

You have the right to life.

Article 3 ‐Prohibition of torture

No one ever has the right to hurt you or torture you. Even in detention your human dignity
has to be respected.

Article 4 ‐ Prohibition of slavery and forced labour

It is prohibited to treat you as a slave or to impose forced labour on you.

Article 5 ‐ Right to liberty and security

You have the right to liberty.
If you are arrested you have the right to know why.
If you are arrested you have the right to stand trial soon, or to be released until the trial
takes place.

Article 6 ‐ Right to a fair trial

You have the right to a fair trial before an unbiased and independent judge. If you are
accused of having committed a crime, you are innocent until proved guilty. You have the
right to be assisted by a lawyer who has to be paid by the state if you are poor.

Article 7 ‐ No punishment without law

You cannot be held guilty of a crime if there was no law against it when you did it.

Article 8 ‐ Right to respect for private and family life

You have the right to respect for your private and family life, your home and
correspondence.

Article 9 ‐ Freedom of thought, conscience and religion

You have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. You have the right to
practise your religion at home and in public and to change your religion if you want.

Article 10 ‐ Freedom of expression
You have the right to responsibly say and write what you think and to give and receive
information from others.
This includes freedom of the press.

Article 11 ‐ Freedom of assembly and association

You have the right to take part in peaceful meetings and to set up or join associations ‐
including trade unions.

Article 12 ‐ Right to marry

You have the right to marry and to have a family.

Article 13 ‐ Right to an effective remedy

If your rights are violated, you can complain about this officially to the courts or other public
bodies.

Article 14 ‐ Prohibition of discrimination

You have these rights regardless of your skin colour, sex, language, political or religious
beliefs, or origins.

Article 15 ‐ Derogation in time of emergency

In time of war or other public emergency, a government may do things which go against
your rights, but only when strictly necessary. Even then, governments are not allowed, for
example, to torture you or to kill you arbitrarily.

Article 16 ‐ Restrictions on political activity of aliens

Governments may restrict the political activity of foreigners, even if this would be in conflict
with Articles 10, 11 or 14.

http://www.echr.coe.
int/NR/rdonlyres/AC4
030F7-3FA7-41EF-9F35
-FD3B56E9B280/0/ENG_
Convention_simplifi%
C3%A9e.pdf

All this of course was part written by a British Prime minister, Sir Winston Churchill. Churchill's primary motivation for supporting the codification of our rights as citizens was his desire that we should never again witness anything like the grotesque abuse of power by the Nazi state. Strange how so many people would be happy to give away the greatest protection that we as citizens have.

Howie' wrote:

Dai Rear wrote:

Howie' wrote:

Magor wrote:
The only reason Labour banned hunting is because they cant move on from this class thing.If they want to help their voters they should improve the inner-city dumps they live in and keep their noses out of the countryside where they dont even vote Labour.

Nothing to do with the latest opinion polls showing 80+% against fox hunting then. You could argue that it's a political party in tune with the wishes of the electorate. Even the Tory's have smelt the coffee and have now said they will not change the law because they no longer have the support.

On this line of thought Howie, the majority of us no longer wish to be part of the perversion of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights by further education college lecturers from Hungary masquerading as judges in the Human Rights Court and certainly no longer wish to be part of the autocracy which is the EU, but none of our wonderful "leaders" takes a blind bit of notice.

'perversion of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights'.

Perversion eh Dai? Have you ever read it or have you just swallowed the bull from the Daily Mail?

Here you are Dai, the simplified version. It won't take you 5 minutes to read it and maybe you can tell us what exactly is perverted about it?




Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Article 1 ‐ Obligation to respect human rights

States must ensure that everyone has the rights stated in this Convention.

Article 2 ‐ Right to life

You have the right to life.

Article 3 ‐Prohibition of torture

No one ever has the right to hurt you or torture you. Even in detention your human dignity
has to be respected.

Article 4 ‐ Prohibition of slavery and forced labour

It is prohibited to treat you as a slave or to impose forced labour on you.

Article 5 ‐ Right to liberty and security

You have the right to liberty.
If you are arrested you have the right to know why.
If you are arrested you have the right to stand trial soon, or to be released until the trial
takes place.

Article 6 ‐ Right to a fair trial

You have the right to a fair trial before an unbiased and independent judge. If you are
accused of having committed a crime, you are innocent until proved guilty. You have the
right to be assisted by a lawyer who has to be paid by the state if you are poor.

Article 7 ‐ No punishment without law

You cannot be held guilty of a crime if there was no law against it when you did it.

Article 8 ‐ Right to respect for private and family life

You have the right to respect for your private and family life, your home and
correspondence.

Article 9 ‐ Freedom of thought, conscience and religion

You have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. You have the right to
practise your religion at home and in public and to change your religion if you want.

Article 10 ‐ Freedom of expression
You have the right to responsibly say and write what you think and to give and receive
information from others.
This includes freedom of the press.

Article 11 ‐ Freedom of assembly and association

You have the right to take part in peaceful meetings and to set up or join associations ‐
including trade unions.

Article 12 ‐ Right to marry

You have the right to marry and to have a family.

Article 13 ‐ Right to an effective remedy

If your rights are violated, you can complain about this officially to the courts or other public
bodies.

Article 14 ‐ Prohibition of discrimination

You have these rights regardless of your skin colour, sex, language, political or religious
beliefs, or origins.

Article 15 ‐ Derogation in time of emergency

In time of war or other public emergency, a government may do things which go against
your rights, but only when strictly necessary. Even then, governments are not allowed, for
example, to torture you or to kill you arbitrarily.

Article 16 ‐ Restrictions on political activity of aliens

Governments may restrict the political activity of foreigners, even if this would be in conflict
with Articles 10, 11 or 14.

http://www.echr.coe.

int/NR/rdonlyres/AC4

030F7-3FA7-41EF-9F35

-FD3B56E9B280/0/ENG_

Convention_simplifi%

C3%A9e.pdf

All this of course was part written by a British Prime minister, Sir Winston Churchill. Churchill's primary motivation for supporting the codification of our rights as citizens was his desire that we should never again witness anything like the grotesque abuse of power by the Nazi state. Strange how so many people would be happy to give away the greatest protection that we as citizens have.

All absolutely true Howie. It's a shame about the interpretation by those judges eh, which I agree is a totally different argument altogether. Most people would agree (and I think that's the majority which is referred to in the post you are replying to) that some of the interpretations are completely barmy.

Sadly that's very true but that is not the fault of the act itself, exactly the same as the Health and Safety act, ridiculed because of stupid decisions by people who have never read it or do not understand it.