Ringland gipsy site plan 'could lose Newport council £5m’

South Wales Argus: Gipsy site plan 'could lose Newport council £5m’ Gipsy site plan 'could lose Newport council £5m’

A PROPOSAL to put a gipsy site on land in Newport could lose the council £5 million.

A confidential council report seen by the Argus said a committee of councillors assessing gipsy sites was told at previous meetings that the Hartridge Farm Road site had a multi-million-pound value.

The council wanted to partially fund the £29 million borrowed cost of building Llanwern High School by selling that land.

The revelation comes after the Argus reported officers said possible sites near the A449 and at Brickyard Lane in Allt-yr-Yn were unworkable.

An officer assessment of possible gipsy and traveller sites was published last week, but site valuation information was kept private because of its commercial sensitivity.

The scrutiny committee for community planning and development is to meet today to discuss what recommendations it makes to cabinet now for sites to be included in the local development plan.

The report says the council owns the Hartridge Farm Road site and “the £5,000,000 valuation represents a potential loss in receipt from the sale of the land to a house builder”.

Campaigner Frank Weston, chairman of the Ringland Matters residents group, said: “How can the council put a traveller site there when the financial plan for the council to offset some of its debt was to sell this land for housing?”

The road safety centre site is one of 11 shortlisted sites.

But a Welsh Government grant fund for gipsy sites does not apply to council-owned land.

Newport council said while the first stage of the process saw a list of sites assessed on suitability criteria set out by the Welsh Government, the second stage assessed how they could be delivered, looking at costs of developing each site, including purchasing the land or its potential value.

“All criteria and assessments will be fully considered,”

a spokeswoman said.

The council is required to identify land for gipsy sites in its local development plan, and a policy working group from the scrutiny committee put 11 shortlisted sites to a public consultation.

It recommended to cabinet that the former road safety centre be allocated in the LDP as the preferred site for residential accommodation, with the Ringland Allotments as a back-up, with Brickyard Lane as a contingency.

A yard near the A449 was recommended as the preferred transit site, while land at Celtic Way, Marshfield was picked as a contingency.

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10:46am Wed 24 Apr 13

amandadavies8 says...

I still cannot get over they are even planning to put a gypsy site on Hartridge farm road, when there is a nuserym infants and junior school on there....shocking...
I still cannot get over they are even planning to put a gypsy site on Hartridge farm road, when there is a nuserym infants and junior school on there....shocking... amandadavies8
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10:51am Wed 24 Apr 13

Woodgnome says...

Well what will they put first the money or the people who's land they would have to acquire? Complete madness that the Council might choose to buy other people's land rather tha use it's own.
Well what will they put first the money or the people who's land they would have to acquire? Complete madness that the Council might choose to buy other people's land rather tha use it's own. Woodgnome
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10:57am Wed 24 Apr 13

Llanmartinangel says...

Has anyone noticed how this matter was dug back up by the incoming Labour council after the sites were chosen and finalised by the previous administration and since Labour got hold of it it has descended into total chaos. Vote Labour, get monkeys.
Has anyone noticed how this matter was dug back up by the incoming Labour council after the sites were chosen and finalised by the previous administration and since Labour got hold of it it has descended into total chaos. Vote Labour, get monkeys. Llanmartinangel
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11:12am Wed 24 Apr 13

Woodgnome says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Has anyone noticed how this matter was dug back up by the incoming Labour council after the sites were chosen and finalised by the previous administration and since Labour got hold of it it has descended into total chaos. Vote Labour, get monkeys.
It's been one PR disaster after the other. They've managed to upset everybody and just when you thought it was looking like it was settled - Bright spark manages to prolong the nightmare. They should have just left the original LDP sites alone..
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: Has anyone noticed how this matter was dug back up by the incoming Labour council after the sites were chosen and finalised by the previous administration and since Labour got hold of it it has descended into total chaos. Vote Labour, get monkeys.[/p][/quote]It's been one PR disaster after the other. They've managed to upset everybody and just when you thought it was looking like it was settled - Bright spark manages to prolong the nightmare. They should have just left the original LDP sites alone.. Woodgnome
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11:35am Wed 24 Apr 13

Bobevans says...

Quite why are we providing Free camp sites for traveller's? If they want camp sites let them pay for them.

Why do the police ignore them as well. Only the other day a bunch of them moved onto a holiday park and parked up on the pitches and plugged into the electricity and helped themselves to for Free, When the police were called they tried to claim it was a civil matter. When the owners of the camp got an order to evict them the police still refused to do anything saying they should be given time to move a week to move out.

Now as far as I can tell they were committing three criminal offences, The of Electricity. Camping on the site without paying and refusing to leave when requested to do so by the owners yet the police do nothing
Quite why are we providing Free camp sites for traveller's? If they want camp sites let them pay for them. Why do the police ignore them as well. Only the other day a bunch of them moved onto a holiday park and parked up on the pitches and plugged into the electricity and helped themselves to for Free, When the police were called they tried to claim it was a civil matter. When the owners of the camp got an order to evict them the police still refused to do anything saying they should be given time to move a week to move out. Now as far as I can tell they were committing three criminal offences, The of Electricity. Camping on the site without paying and refusing to leave when requested to do so by the owners yet the police do nothing Bobevans
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1:08pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Severn40 says...

This shouldn't come as a surprise. This is what happens when you get political posturing over an emotive issue like this. A proper and sensible site option appraisal is thrown out of the window in the name of some cheap publicity.

Will the people of Newport get an apology from the likes of Councillor Paul Hannon that they screwed up? Nah - don't be silly as Newport people clearly don't understand these 'complex issues' as Councillor Bright would say.
This shouldn't come as a surprise. This is what happens when you get political posturing over an emotive issue like this. A proper and sensible site option appraisal is thrown out of the window in the name of some cheap publicity. Will the people of Newport get an apology from the likes of Councillor Paul Hannon that they screwed up? Nah - don't be silly as Newport people clearly don't understand these 'complex issues' as Councillor Bright would say. Severn40
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1:46pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Radio Wales says...

As far as I can discern, Newport Council is still working on the 2011 - 2016 Local Development Plan supposed to be in place by 2010.

Newport people not understanding complex matters clearly include all of our councillors. It really is about time they got a grip on this issue, I believe it cost two changes in colour of the council, and is likely to do so again.

I'd love to know how much money they have cost us one way or another whilst faffing around with this issue.
As far as I can discern, Newport Council is still working on the 2011 - 2016 Local Development Plan supposed to be in place by 2010. Newport people not understanding complex matters clearly include all of our councillors. It really is about time they got a grip on this issue, I believe it cost two changes in colour of the council, and is likely to do so again. I'd love to know how much money they have cost us one way or another whilst faffing around with this issue. Radio Wales
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1:51pm Wed 24 Apr 13

davidcp says...

Bobevans wrote:
Quite why are we providing Free camp sites for traveller's? If they want camp sites let them pay for them. Why do the police ignore them as well. Only the other day a bunch of them moved onto a holiday park and parked up on the pitches and plugged into the electricity and helped themselves to for Free, When the police were called they tried to claim it was a civil matter. When the owners of the camp got an order to evict them the police still refused to do anything saying they should be given time to move a week to move out. Now as far as I can tell they were committing three criminal offences, The of Electricity. Camping on the site without paying and refusing to leave when requested to do so by the owners yet the police do nothing
I believe the criminal offence they were committing was abstracting electricity and an imaginative police officer would've nicked them.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Quite why are we providing Free camp sites for traveller's? If they want camp sites let them pay for them. Why do the police ignore them as well. Only the other day a bunch of them moved onto a holiday park and parked up on the pitches and plugged into the electricity and helped themselves to for Free, When the police were called they tried to claim it was a civil matter. When the owners of the camp got an order to evict them the police still refused to do anything saying they should be given time to move a week to move out. Now as far as I can tell they were committing three criminal offences, The of Electricity. Camping on the site without paying and refusing to leave when requested to do so by the owners yet the police do nothing[/p][/quote]I believe the criminal offence they were committing was abstracting electricity and an imaginative police officer would've nicked them. davidcp
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2:35pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Woodgnome says...

davidcp wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Quite why are we providing Free camp sites for traveller's? If they want camp sites let them pay for them. Why do the police ignore them as well. Only the other day a bunch of them moved onto a holiday park and parked up on the pitches and plugged into the electricity and helped themselves to for Free, When the police were called they tried to claim it was a civil matter. When the owners of the camp got an order to evict them the police still refused to do anything saying they should be given time to move a week to move out. Now as far as I can tell they were committing three criminal offences, The of Electricity. Camping on the site without paying and refusing to leave when requested to do so by the owners yet the police do nothing
I believe the criminal offence they were committing was abstracting electricity and an imaginative police officer would've nicked them.
Perhaps our newly appointed Police Commissioner will have the "imagination" necessary and give the Chief Const the benefit of his views on behalf of the people of Newport? He must be good for something.
[quote][p][bold]davidcp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Quite why are we providing Free camp sites for traveller's? If they want camp sites let them pay for them. Why do the police ignore them as well. Only the other day a bunch of them moved onto a holiday park and parked up on the pitches and plugged into the electricity and helped themselves to for Free, When the police were called they tried to claim it was a civil matter. When the owners of the camp got an order to evict them the police still refused to do anything saying they should be given time to move a week to move out. Now as far as I can tell they were committing three criminal offences, The of Electricity. Camping on the site without paying and refusing to leave when requested to do so by the owners yet the police do nothing[/p][/quote]I believe the criminal offence they were committing was abstracting electricity and an imaginative police officer would've nicked them.[/p][/quote]Perhaps our newly appointed Police Commissioner will have the "imagination" necessary and give the Chief Const the benefit of his views on behalf of the people of Newport? He must be good for something. Woodgnome
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5:31pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Strider says...

Just waiting for the token aggressive response of some suicidal Lefty calling everybody Fascists and comparing Newport to Hitlers Germany.. Because of 9 nasty comments of faceless people on the interweb..

I thought travelers; Traveled so why do they need a fixed abobe? Seeing as the lefty's here think so highly off them perhaps they could post where they live and these Travelers could stay in there gardens!!
Just waiting for the token aggressive response of some suicidal Lefty calling everybody Fascists and comparing Newport to Hitlers Germany.. Because of 9 nasty comments of faceless people on the interweb.. I thought travelers; Traveled so why do they need a fixed abobe? Seeing as the lefty's here think so highly off them perhaps they could post where they live and these Travelers could stay in there gardens!! Strider
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7:03pm Wed 24 Apr 13

DavidMclean says...

Strider wrote:
Just waiting for the token aggressive response of some suicidal Lefty calling everybody Fascists and comparing Newport to Hitlers Germany.. Because of 9 nasty comments of faceless people on the interweb..

I thought travelers; Traveled so why do they need a fixed abobe? Seeing as the lefty's here think so highly off them perhaps they could post where they live and these Travelers could stay in there gardens!!
So funny. Your paranoia over supposed 'lefties' defending travellers is so far unfounded, but still you bang on! I'm a leftie, and I agree with all the above comments, so that's your cliches revealed for the nonsense they are.
[quote][p][bold]Strider[/bold] wrote: Just waiting for the token aggressive response of some suicidal Lefty calling everybody Fascists and comparing Newport to Hitlers Germany.. Because of 9 nasty comments of faceless people on the interweb.. I thought travelers; Traveled so why do they need a fixed abobe? Seeing as the lefty's here think so highly off them perhaps they could post where they live and these Travelers could stay in there gardens!![/p][/quote]So funny. Your paranoia over supposed 'lefties' defending travellers is so far unfounded, but still you bang on! I'm a leftie, and I agree with all the above comments, so that's your cliches revealed for the nonsense they are. DavidMclean
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7:12pm Wed 24 Apr 13

blackandamber says...

I am a tax payer and a citizen of Newport I do not want my hard earned taxes paying for a travellers site in this city. The essence of being a traveller is to travel is it not. Of course if travellers would allow the HMRC to inspect the books of the businesses that they are running so that they could be assessed for income tax, NI, VAT and I dare say corporation tax in some cases, I might be more amenable. But that isn't going to happen is it. Woe betide any councillor of whatever persuasion who votes for this site, the electorate will not forget.
I am a tax payer and a citizen of Newport I do not want my hard earned taxes paying for a travellers site in this city. The essence of being a traveller is to travel is it not. Of course if travellers would allow the HMRC to inspect the books of the businesses that they are running so that they could be assessed for income tax, NI, VAT and I dare say corporation tax in some cases, I might be more amenable. But that isn't going to happen is it. Woe betide any councillor of whatever persuasion who votes for this site, the electorate will not forget. blackandamber
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7:24pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Dave on his Soapbox says...

.....this is the problem when you have central/national government setting an unpopular policy..... which then has to be implemented by local council/coucillors who only really are concerned by not upsetting the local electorate who will be voting for them...are travellers able to vote if not permanently resident?
.....this is the problem when you have central/national government setting an unpopular policy..... which then has to be implemented by local council/coucillors who only really are concerned by not upsetting the local electorate who will be voting for them...are travellers able to vote if not permanently resident? Dave on his Soapbox
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8:25pm Wed 24 Apr 13

scraptheWAG says...

Bobevans wrote:
Quite why are we providing Free camp sites for traveller's? If they want camp sites let them pay for them.

Why do the police ignore them as well. Only the other day a bunch of them moved onto a holiday park and parked up on the pitches and plugged into the electricity and helped themselves to for Free, When the police were called they tried to claim it was a civil matter. When the owners of the camp got an order to evict them the police still refused to do anything saying they should be given time to move a week to move out.

Now as far as I can tell they were committing three criminal offences, The of Electricity. Camping on the site without paying and refusing to leave when requested to do so by the owners yet the police do nothing
BOB i am friends for a civilian contractor who works with the police in thames valley basically they are scared of them they get a large number of reports of stolen goods etc on these camps and say its a civil matter etc . They do though organise huge operations and raid the sites but will not go in with a handful of police.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Quite why are we providing Free camp sites for traveller's? If they want camp sites let them pay for them. Why do the police ignore them as well. Only the other day a bunch of them moved onto a holiday park and parked up on the pitches and plugged into the electricity and helped themselves to for Free, When the police were called they tried to claim it was a civil matter. When the owners of the camp got an order to evict them the police still refused to do anything saying they should be given time to move a week to move out. Now as far as I can tell they were committing three criminal offences, The of Electricity. Camping on the site without paying and refusing to leave when requested to do so by the owners yet the police do nothing[/p][/quote]BOB i am friends for a civilian contractor who works with the police in thames valley basically they are scared of them they get a large number of reports of stolen goods etc on these camps and say its a civil matter etc . They do though organise huge operations and raid the sites but will not go in with a handful of police. scraptheWAG
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11:17pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Strider says...

Definition of traveler according to the Oxford dictionary
noun

A person who is travelling or who often travels:

(usually Traveller) British a Gypsy or other nomadic person.
(also New Age traveller) British a person who holds New Age values and leads an itinerant and unconventional lifestyle.
Definition of traveler according to the Oxford dictionary noun A person who is travelling or who often travels: (usually Traveller) British a Gypsy or other nomadic person. (also New Age traveller) British a person who holds New Age values and leads an itinerant and unconventional lifestyle. Strider
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8:09am Thu 25 Apr 13

ianzemma says...

Bobevans wrote:
Quite why are we providing Free camp sites for traveller's? If they want camp sites let them pay for them.

Why do the police ignore them as well. Only the other day a bunch of them moved onto a holiday park and parked up on the pitches and plugged into the electricity and helped themselves to for Free, When the police were called they tried to claim it was a civil matter. When the owners of the camp got an order to evict them the police still refused to do anything saying they should be given time to move a week to move out.

Now as far as I can tell they were committing three criminal offences, The of Electricity. Camping on the site without paying and refusing to leave when requested to do so by the owners yet the police do nothing
i would've turned of the electricity! it's mad the way theses people are pandered too!
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Quite why are we providing Free camp sites for traveller's? If they want camp sites let them pay for them. Why do the police ignore them as well. Only the other day a bunch of them moved onto a holiday park and parked up on the pitches and plugged into the electricity and helped themselves to for Free, When the police were called they tried to claim it was a civil matter. When the owners of the camp got an order to evict them the police still refused to do anything saying they should be given time to move a week to move out. Now as far as I can tell they were committing three criminal offences, The of Electricity. Camping on the site without paying and refusing to leave when requested to do so by the owners yet the police do nothing[/p][/quote]i would've turned of the electricity! it's mad the way theses people are pandered too! ianzemma
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