Parade honours Cwmbran hero of Zulu war

South Wales Argus: Submitted picJohn Fielding 1857 - 1932from the book Zulu War Heroes (3505669) Submitted picJohn Fielding 1857 - 1932from the book Zulu War Heroes (3505669)

MEMBERS of the Royal Welsh Regimental Association paraded through the streets of a Gwent town to remember a Victoria Cross hero of the Anglo-Zulu War.

Around 150 people joined a remembrance service in Cwmbran on Saturday [January 18] in honour of Pte John Williams (Fielding).

He was one of 11 soldiers to be honoured with a VC for defending a station against up to 4,000 Zulus in the 1879 Battle of Rorke’s Drift immortalised in the Michael Caine film Zulu.

His great grandson Peter Fielding, 56, said: “The service was ever so well attended.

“It was lovely to see so many turn out for people who have fallen and given their lives.

“John was my great grandfather, so for us it is something very special.

“For Llantarnam and Cwmbran he was a local boy and came back from the war with an honour.

“Today’s event was gratifying and humbling.”

The parade stopped at St Michael and All Angels church in Llantarnam Road, Llantarnam, for a memorial service, which takes place each year.

Rev Canon Brian Pippen took part in the service including readings and the singing of God Save the Queen.

Rev Pippen said: “It is a very important occasion. It helps us to focus on events of the past that have made a huge difference to our national existence.

“The way it is done locally is pleasing, it is done with great respect and dignity.”

Stuart Cameron, 66, the secretary of the John Fielding Trust, said: “Around 150 people attended. It was one of our biggest events for some time.”

Alan Terry, 79, of Cwmbran and District Ex-Servicemen's Association, laid a wreath at the soldier’s grave in the church cemetery.

He said: “There is a lot of added interest this year.

“This is a year when our troops are coming home from Afghanistan.

“It is going to be celebrated. These men and women who lost their lives in Afghanistan will not be forgotten either.”

John O’Connor, 85, of the Pontypool Royal Welsh Regimental Association, added: “We must keep it up and not allow it to fade away. We will remember them.”

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1:16pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Ministry of Defence says it needs new recruits. "More than meets the eye"

The Zulu War was just another colonial war like many in other parts of the worldwide British Empire.
I’m not doubting the bravery of British soldiers in the Victorian era just the fact that they were not fighting for the likes of you or I everyday folk. They were fighting to protect colonial wealth.
In 1879 British colonial officials and the commander-in-chief in South Africa, Lord Chelmsford, considered the independent Zulu Kingdom ruled by Cetshwayo a threat to the British colony.
European colonial expansion is likely to have triggered the whole thing. News at this time was unreliable ( no internet or mobile phones to challenge ).

Self-determination was unthinkable under Benjamin Disraeli's conservative Britain.
The Michael Caine film Zulu was a glorification of inaccuracies!


"History is a set of lies agreed upon."
Napoleon Bonaparte.

and is sketchy at best.
Is this something we should be proud of ? and is this something that should receive funds from councils (directly or indirectly).
The John Williams Fielding VC Memorial Trust managed to secure funding for a replacement headstone,The Cwmbran Regeneration Partnership awarded a grant of £3,752 and any additional costs covered by the Trust. ( or donations from other council various grants!)
A annual Parade will honour the Cwmbran hero and a temporary road closure for future events will be in force in the area of the church each year so no doubt police officers will be present at yet more cost.

The Long Depression was a worldwide economic recession, beginning in 1873 and running through the spring of 1879. It was the most severe in Europe and the United States.

Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s and are now well into their fifth year of falling real wages.
High inflation and stagnant pay for many workers means that real wages have now fallen for well over 40 months, according to calculations by the TUC. It says that is the longest such stretch of financial pain since 1875 to 1878, when the world economy was mired in the so-called long depression.
These figures expose once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth.


Lets live for today and stand up for the low paid and the willing unemployed who deserve better from the local Labour led short sighted, out for themselves,talking shop puppet councillors and as for the conservatives lets not even go there.
We know little about John Fielding the man! and Remember It is not known why John Fielding chose to join the army, nor why he enlisted in a name other than his own. John may have joined the glorious force because there was little else for him in the way of work other than a low paid labour intensive existence in the many British dark industrial satanic mills of the day. The working class consisted of both the skilled as well as the unskilled and workers were exploited at the hands of the other two classes. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers so I think that he would have approved of making efforts to the employment prospects of young people and the low paid so that they don’t need to join up and get sent to some far off land where they may never return from.

Sadly Suicide was an issue for many Victorian soldiers, which has echoes of reality of more modern conflicts. All too often the long term unemployed are portrayed by the media as being lazy work-shy scroungers and more often than not this is far from the truth.
Unemployed young people are twice as likely to be on anti-depressants and many have contemplated suicide, a disturbing report has found.
A study for The Prince's Trust found long-term jobless youngsters aged 16 to 25 are suffering "devastating" symptoms of mental illness and often self-harming.
More than 2,000 young people were surveyed, with 40% of those who were out of work saying they faced symptoms of mental illness.
Those unemployed for over a year were more likely to say they had no-one to confide in.

The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces, this is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours.
A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications.
The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013.

Some young lads (and indeed these days girls) clearly want to be soldiers but many have in the past chosen this path out of sheer lack of decent local job prospects.
Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers.

Most young people however just want jobs in the communities they grew up in.
No doubt some Labour councillor or another at some point in the future will suggest that we spend thousands more and have a statue built of the soldier who was no doubt very brave.
The memory and history of John Fielding and the Zulu war can be kept alive through history education in our schools.
Wouldn’t it be more honourable if funding is used to set up a John Fielding back to work program helping people find employment in Cwmbran or use the money to fund just one or two modern apprentices.
That would be something we could be proud of.

The coalition government of today are letting our youth fall through the cracks in our culture.
And our local Labour party are more interested in ceremonies for dead men and although the Labour party have promised jobs for young people and a living wage if they get elected - on a local level they could be doing a lot more right now.

“Uzovuna okutshalile”
Ministry of Defence says it needs new recruits. "More than meets the eye" The Zulu War was just another colonial war like many in other parts of the worldwide British Empire. I’m not doubting the bravery of British soldiers in the Victorian era just the fact that they were not fighting for the likes of you or I everyday folk. They were fighting to protect colonial wealth. In 1879 British colonial officials and the commander-in-chief in South Africa, Lord Chelmsford, considered the independent Zulu Kingdom ruled by Cetshwayo a threat to the British colony. European colonial expansion is likely to have triggered the whole thing. News at this time was unreliable ( no internet or mobile phones to challenge ). Self-determination was unthinkable under Benjamin Disraeli's conservative Britain. The Michael Caine film Zulu was a glorification of inaccuracies! "History is a set of lies agreed upon." Napoleon Bonaparte. and is sketchy at best. Is this something we should be proud of ? and is this something that should receive funds from councils (directly or indirectly). The John Williams Fielding VC Memorial Trust managed to secure funding for a replacement headstone,The Cwmbran Regeneration Partnership awarded a grant of £3,752 and any additional costs covered by the Trust. ( or donations from other council various grants!) A annual Parade will honour the Cwmbran hero and a temporary road closure for future events will be in force in the area of the church each year so no doubt police officers will be present at yet more cost. The Long Depression was a worldwide economic recession, beginning in 1873 and running through the spring of 1879. It was the most severe in Europe and the United States. Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s and are now well into their fifth year of falling real wages. High inflation and stagnant pay for many workers means that real wages have now fallen for well over 40 months, according to calculations by the TUC. It says that is the longest such stretch of financial pain since 1875 to 1878, when the world economy was mired in the so-called long depression. These figures expose once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth. Lets live for today and stand up for the low paid and the willing unemployed who deserve better from the local Labour led short sighted, out for themselves,talking shop puppet councillors and as for the conservatives lets not even go there. We know little about John Fielding the man! and Remember It is not known why John Fielding chose to join the army, nor why he enlisted in a name other than his own. John may have joined the glorious force because there was little else for him in the way of work other than a low paid labour intensive existence in the many British dark industrial satanic mills of the day. The working class consisted of both the skilled as well as the unskilled and workers were exploited at the hands of the other two classes. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers so I think that he would have approved of making efforts to the employment prospects of young people and the low paid so that they don’t need to join up and get sent to some far off land where they may never return from. Sadly Suicide was an issue for many Victorian soldiers, which has echoes of reality of more modern conflicts. All too often the long term unemployed are portrayed by the media as being lazy work-shy scroungers and more often than not this is far from the truth. Unemployed young people are twice as likely to be on anti-depressants and many have contemplated suicide, a disturbing report has found. A study for The Prince's Trust found long-term jobless youngsters aged 16 to 25 are suffering "devastating" symptoms of mental illness and often self-harming. More than 2,000 young people were surveyed, with 40% of those who were out of work saying they faced symptoms of mental illness. Those unemployed for over a year were more likely to say they had no-one to confide in. The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces, this is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours. A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications. The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013. Some young lads (and indeed these days girls) clearly want to be soldiers but many have in the past chosen this path out of sheer lack of decent local job prospects. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers. Most young people however just want jobs in the communities they grew up in. No doubt some Labour councillor or another at some point in the future will suggest that we spend thousands more and have a statue built of the soldier who was no doubt very brave. The memory and history of John Fielding and the Zulu war can be kept alive through history education in our schools. Wouldn’t it be more honourable if funding is used to set up a John Fielding back to work program helping people find employment in Cwmbran or use the money to fund just one or two modern apprentices. That would be something we could be proud of. The coalition government of today are letting our youth fall through the cracks in our culture. And our local Labour party are more interested in ceremonies for dead men and although the Labour party have promised jobs for young people and a living wage if they get elected - on a local level they could be doing a lot more right now. “Uzovuna okutshalile” Milkmanofhumankindness

1:33pm Sun 19 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Excellent post - though probably too long for the attention span of most of the Argus commenters.
Excellent post - though probably too long for the attention span of most of the Argus commenters. GardenVarietyMushroom

1:44pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

People will turn out to an event like this its a spectacle to see so why not but don’t mistake the public’s curiosity or willingness to get out and do something different as support for funds that could be used to better effect.
People will turn out to an event like this its a spectacle to see so why not but don’t mistake the public’s curiosity or willingness to get out and do something different as support for funds that could be used to better effect. Milkmanofhumankindness

4:38pm Sun 19 Jan 14

robinsonsuperduper says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
Ministry of Defence says it needs new recruits. "More than meets the eye"

The Zulu War was just another colonial war like many in other parts of the worldwide British Empire.
I’m not doubting the bravery of British soldiers in the Victorian era just the fact that they were not fighting for the likes of you or I everyday folk. They were fighting to protect colonial wealth.
In 1879 British colonial officials and the commander-in-chief in South Africa, Lord Chelmsford, considered the independent Zulu Kingdom ruled by Cetshwayo a threat to the British colony.
European colonial expansion is likely to have triggered the whole thing. News at this time was unreliable ( no internet or mobile phones to challenge ).

Self-determination was unthinkable under Benjamin Disraeli's conservative Britain.
The Michael Caine film Zulu was a glorification of inaccuracies!


"History is a set of lies agreed upon."
Napoleon Bonaparte.

and is sketchy at best.
Is this something we should be proud of ? and is this something that should receive funds from councils (directly or indirectly).
The John Williams Fielding VC Memorial Trust managed to secure funding for a replacement headstone,The Cwmbran Regeneration Partnership awarded a grant of £3,752 and any additional costs covered by the Trust. ( or donations from other council various grants!)
A annual Parade will honour the Cwmbran hero and a temporary road closure for future events will be in force in the area of the church each year so no doubt police officers will be present at yet more cost.

The Long Depression was a worldwide economic recession, beginning in 1873 and running through the spring of 1879. It was the most severe in Europe and the United States.

Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s and are now well into their fifth year of falling real wages.
High inflation and stagnant pay for many workers means that real wages have now fallen for well over 40 months, according to calculations by the TUC. It says that is the longest such stretch of financial pain since 1875 to 1878, when the world economy was mired in the so-called long depression.
These figures expose once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth.


Lets live for today and stand up for the low paid and the willing unemployed who deserve better from the local Labour led short sighted, out for themselves,talking shop puppet councillors and as for the conservatives lets not even go there.
We know little about John Fielding the man! and Remember It is not known why John Fielding chose to join the army, nor why he enlisted in a name other than his own. John may have joined the glorious force because there was little else for him in the way of work other than a low paid labour intensive existence in the many British dark industrial satanic mills of the day. The working class consisted of both the skilled as well as the unskilled and workers were exploited at the hands of the other two classes. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers so I think that he would have approved of making efforts to the employment prospects of young people and the low paid so that they don’t need to join up and get sent to some far off land where they may never return from.

Sadly Suicide was an issue for many Victorian soldiers, which has echoes of reality of more modern conflicts. All too often the long term unemployed are portrayed by the media as being lazy work-shy scroungers and more often than not this is far from the truth.
Unemployed young people are twice as likely to be on anti-depressants and many have contemplated suicide, a disturbing report has found.
A study for The Prince's Trust found long-term jobless youngsters aged 16 to 25 are suffering "devastating" symptoms of mental illness and often self-harming.
More than 2,000 young people were surveyed, with 40% of those who were out of work saying they faced symptoms of mental illness.
Those unemployed for over a year were more likely to say they had no-one to confide in.

The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces, this is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours.
A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications.
The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013.

Some young lads (and indeed these days girls) clearly want to be soldiers but many have in the past chosen this path out of sheer lack of decent local job prospects.
Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers.

Most young people however just want jobs in the communities they grew up in.
No doubt some Labour councillor or another at some point in the future will suggest that we spend thousands more and have a statue built of the soldier who was no doubt very brave.
The memory and history of John Fielding and the Zulu war can be kept alive through history education in our schools.
Wouldn’t it be more honourable if funding is used to set up a John Fielding back to work program helping people find employment in Cwmbran or use the money to fund just one or two modern apprentices.
That would be something we could be proud of.

The coalition government of today are letting our youth fall through the cracks in our culture.
And our local Labour party are more interested in ceremonies for dead men and although the Labour party have promised jobs for young people and a living wage if they get elected - on a local level they could be doing a lot more right now.

“Uzovuna okutshalile”
u are sad and boring
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: Ministry of Defence says it needs new recruits. "More than meets the eye" The Zulu War was just another colonial war like many in other parts of the worldwide British Empire. I’m not doubting the bravery of British soldiers in the Victorian era just the fact that they were not fighting for the likes of you or I everyday folk. They were fighting to protect colonial wealth. In 1879 British colonial officials and the commander-in-chief in South Africa, Lord Chelmsford, considered the independent Zulu Kingdom ruled by Cetshwayo a threat to the British colony. European colonial expansion is likely to have triggered the whole thing. News at this time was unreliable ( no internet or mobile phones to challenge ). Self-determination was unthinkable under Benjamin Disraeli's conservative Britain. The Michael Caine film Zulu was a glorification of inaccuracies! "History is a set of lies agreed upon." Napoleon Bonaparte. and is sketchy at best. Is this something we should be proud of ? and is this something that should receive funds from councils (directly or indirectly). The John Williams Fielding VC Memorial Trust managed to secure funding for a replacement headstone,The Cwmbran Regeneration Partnership awarded a grant of £3,752 and any additional costs covered by the Trust. ( or donations from other council various grants!) A annual Parade will honour the Cwmbran hero and a temporary road closure for future events will be in force in the area of the church each year so no doubt police officers will be present at yet more cost. The Long Depression was a worldwide economic recession, beginning in 1873 and running through the spring of 1879. It was the most severe in Europe and the United States. Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s and are now well into their fifth year of falling real wages. High inflation and stagnant pay for many workers means that real wages have now fallen for well over 40 months, according to calculations by the TUC. It says that is the longest such stretch of financial pain since 1875 to 1878, when the world economy was mired in the so-called long depression. These figures expose once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth. Lets live for today and stand up for the low paid and the willing unemployed who deserve better from the local Labour led short sighted, out for themselves,talking shop puppet councillors and as for the conservatives lets not even go there. We know little about John Fielding the man! and Remember It is not known why John Fielding chose to join the army, nor why he enlisted in a name other than his own. John may have joined the glorious force because there was little else for him in the way of work other than a low paid labour intensive existence in the many British dark industrial satanic mills of the day. The working class consisted of both the skilled as well as the unskilled and workers were exploited at the hands of the other two classes. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers so I think that he would have approved of making efforts to the employment prospects of young people and the low paid so that they don’t need to join up and get sent to some far off land where they may never return from. Sadly Suicide was an issue for many Victorian soldiers, which has echoes of reality of more modern conflicts. All too often the long term unemployed are portrayed by the media as being lazy work-shy scroungers and more often than not this is far from the truth. Unemployed young people are twice as likely to be on anti-depressants and many have contemplated suicide, a disturbing report has found. A study for The Prince's Trust found long-term jobless youngsters aged 16 to 25 are suffering "devastating" symptoms of mental illness and often self-harming. More than 2,000 young people were surveyed, with 40% of those who were out of work saying they faced symptoms of mental illness. Those unemployed for over a year were more likely to say they had no-one to confide in. The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces, this is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours. A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications. The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013. Some young lads (and indeed these days girls) clearly want to be soldiers but many have in the past chosen this path out of sheer lack of decent local job prospects. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers. Most young people however just want jobs in the communities they grew up in. No doubt some Labour councillor or another at some point in the future will suggest that we spend thousands more and have a statue built of the soldier who was no doubt very brave. The memory and history of John Fielding and the Zulu war can be kept alive through history education in our schools. Wouldn’t it be more honourable if funding is used to set up a John Fielding back to work program helping people find employment in Cwmbran or use the money to fund just one or two modern apprentices. That would be something we could be proud of. The coalition government of today are letting our youth fall through the cracks in our culture. And our local Labour party are more interested in ceremonies for dead men and although the Labour party have promised jobs for young people and a living wage if they get elected - on a local level they could be doing a lot more right now. “Uzovuna okutshalile”[/p][/quote]u are sad and boring robinsonsuperduper

4:55pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

robinsonsuperduper wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne

ss
wrote:
Ministry of Defence says it needs new recruits. "More than meets the eye"

The Zulu War was just another colonial war like many in other parts of the worldwide British Empire.
I’m not doubting the bravery of British soldiers in the Victorian era just the fact that they were not fighting for the likes of you or I everyday folk. They were fighting to protect colonial wealth.
In 1879 British colonial officials and the commander-in-chief in South Africa, Lord Chelmsford, considered the independent Zulu Kingdom ruled by Cetshwayo a threat to the British colony.
European colonial expansion is likely to have triggered the whole thing. News at this time was unreliable ( no internet or mobile phones to challenge ).

Self-determination was unthinkable under Benjamin Disraeli's conservative Britain.
The Michael Caine film Zulu was a glorification of inaccuracies!


"History is a set of lies agreed upon."
Napoleon Bonaparte.

and is sketchy at best.
Is this something we should be proud of ? and is this something that should receive funds from councils (directly or indirectly).
The John Williams Fielding VC Memorial Trust managed to secure funding for a replacement headstone,The Cwmbran Regeneration Partnership awarded a grant of £3,752 and any additional costs covered by the Trust. ( or donations from other council various grants!)
A annual Parade will honour the Cwmbran hero and a temporary road closure for future events will be in force in the area of the church each year so no doubt police officers will be present at yet more cost.

The Long Depression was a worldwide economic recession, beginning in 1873 and running through the spring of 1879. It was the most severe in Europe and the United States.

Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s and are now well into their fifth year of falling real wages.
High inflation and stagnant pay for many workers means that real wages have now fallen for well over 40 months, according to calculations by the TUC. It says that is the longest such stretch of financial pain since 1875 to 1878, when the world economy was mired in the so-called long depression.
These figures expose once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth.


Lets live for today and stand up for the low paid and the willing unemployed who deserve better from the local Labour led short sighted, out for themselves,talking shop puppet councillors and as for the conservatives lets not even go there.
We know little about John Fielding the man! and Remember It is not known why John Fielding chose to join the army, nor why he enlisted in a name other than his own. John may have joined the glorious force because there was little else for him in the way of work other than a low paid labour intensive existence in the many British dark industrial satanic mills of the day. The working class consisted of both the skilled as well as the unskilled and workers were exploited at the hands of the other two classes. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers so I think that he would have approved of making efforts to the employment prospects of young people and the low paid so that they don’t need to join up and get sent to some far off land where they may never return from.

Sadly Suicide was an issue for many Victorian soldiers, which has echoes of reality of more modern conflicts. All too often the long term unemployed are portrayed by the media as being lazy work-shy scroungers and more often than not this is far from the truth.
Unemployed young people are twice as likely to be on anti-depressants and many have contemplated suicide, a disturbing report has found.
A study for The Prince's Trust found long-term jobless youngsters aged 16 to 25 are suffering "devastating" symptoms of mental illness and often self-harming.
More than 2,000 young people were surveyed, with 40% of those who were out of work saying they faced symptoms of mental illness.
Those unemployed for over a year were more likely to say they had no-one to confide in.

The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces, this is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours.
A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications.
The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013.

Some young lads (and indeed these days girls) clearly want to be soldiers but many have in the past chosen this path out of sheer lack of decent local job prospects.
Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers.

Most young people however just want jobs in the communities they grew up in.
No doubt some Labour councillor or another at some point in the future will suggest that we spend thousands more and have a statue built of the soldier who was no doubt very brave.
The memory and history of John Fielding and the Zulu war can be kept alive through history education in our schools.
Wouldn’t it be more honourable if funding is used to set up a John Fielding back to work program helping people find employment in Cwmbran or use the money to fund just one or two modern apprentices.
That would be something we could be proud of.

The coalition government of today are letting our youth fall through the cracks in our culture.
And our local Labour party are more interested in ceremonies for dead men and although the Labour party have promised jobs for young people and a living wage if they get elected - on a local level they could be doing a lot more right now.

“Uzovuna okutshalile”
u are sad and boring
If thats all you can say why bother, not a councillor by any chance are you?
[quote][p][bold]robinsonsuperduper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: Ministry of Defence says it needs new recruits. "More than meets the eye" The Zulu War was just another colonial war like many in other parts of the worldwide British Empire. I’m not doubting the bravery of British soldiers in the Victorian era just the fact that they were not fighting for the likes of you or I everyday folk. They were fighting to protect colonial wealth. In 1879 British colonial officials and the commander-in-chief in South Africa, Lord Chelmsford, considered the independent Zulu Kingdom ruled by Cetshwayo a threat to the British colony. European colonial expansion is likely to have triggered the whole thing. News at this time was unreliable ( no internet or mobile phones to challenge ). Self-determination was unthinkable under Benjamin Disraeli's conservative Britain. The Michael Caine film Zulu was a glorification of inaccuracies! "History is a set of lies agreed upon." Napoleon Bonaparte. and is sketchy at best. Is this something we should be proud of ? and is this something that should receive funds from councils (directly or indirectly). The John Williams Fielding VC Memorial Trust managed to secure funding for a replacement headstone,The Cwmbran Regeneration Partnership awarded a grant of £3,752 and any additional costs covered by the Trust. ( or donations from other council various grants!) A annual Parade will honour the Cwmbran hero and a temporary road closure for future events will be in force in the area of the church each year so no doubt police officers will be present at yet more cost. The Long Depression was a worldwide economic recession, beginning in 1873 and running through the spring of 1879. It was the most severe in Europe and the United States. Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s and are now well into their fifth year of falling real wages. High inflation and stagnant pay for many workers means that real wages have now fallen for well over 40 months, according to calculations by the TUC. It says that is the longest such stretch of financial pain since 1875 to 1878, when the world economy was mired in the so-called long depression. These figures expose once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth. Lets live for today and stand up for the low paid and the willing unemployed who deserve better from the local Labour led short sighted, out for themselves,talking shop puppet councillors and as for the conservatives lets not even go there. We know little about John Fielding the man! and Remember It is not known why John Fielding chose to join the army, nor why he enlisted in a name other than his own. John may have joined the glorious force because there was little else for him in the way of work other than a low paid labour intensive existence in the many British dark industrial satanic mills of the day. The working class consisted of both the skilled as well as the unskilled and workers were exploited at the hands of the other two classes. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers so I think that he would have approved of making efforts to the employment prospects of young people and the low paid so that they don’t need to join up and get sent to some far off land where they may never return from. Sadly Suicide was an issue for many Victorian soldiers, which has echoes of reality of more modern conflicts. All too often the long term unemployed are portrayed by the media as being lazy work-shy scroungers and more often than not this is far from the truth. Unemployed young people are twice as likely to be on anti-depressants and many have contemplated suicide, a disturbing report has found. A study for The Prince's Trust found long-term jobless youngsters aged 16 to 25 are suffering "devastating" symptoms of mental illness and often self-harming. More than 2,000 young people were surveyed, with 40% of those who were out of work saying they faced symptoms of mental illness. Those unemployed for over a year were more likely to say they had no-one to confide in. The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces, this is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours. A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications. The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013. Some young lads (and indeed these days girls) clearly want to be soldiers but many have in the past chosen this path out of sheer lack of decent local job prospects. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers. Most young people however just want jobs in the communities they grew up in. No doubt some Labour councillor or another at some point in the future will suggest that we spend thousands more and have a statue built of the soldier who was no doubt very brave. The memory and history of John Fielding and the Zulu war can be kept alive through history education in our schools. Wouldn’t it be more honourable if funding is used to set up a John Fielding back to work program helping people find employment in Cwmbran or use the money to fund just one or two modern apprentices. That would be something we could be proud of. The coalition government of today are letting our youth fall through the cracks in our culture. And our local Labour party are more interested in ceremonies for dead men and although the Labour party have promised jobs for young people and a living wage if they get elected - on a local level they could be doing a lot more right now. “Uzovuna okutshalile”[/p][/quote]u are sad and boring[/p][/quote]If thats all you can say why bother, not a councillor by any chance are you? Milkmanofhumankindness

5:02pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Dolieboy says...

A clip I found on youtube of the parade
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=rBxl0mn1n
wM
A clip I found on youtube of the parade http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=rBxl0mn1n wM Dolieboy

5:03pm Sun 19 Jan 14

The Red Claw says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
Ministry of Defence says it needs new recruits. "More than meets the eye"

The Zulu War was just another colonial war like many in other parts of the worldwide British Empire.
I’m not doubting the bravery of British soldiers in the Victorian era just the fact that they were not fighting for the likes of you or I everyday folk. They were fighting to protect colonial wealth.
In 1879 British colonial officials and the commander-in-chief in South Africa, Lord Chelmsford, considered the independent Zulu Kingdom ruled by Cetshwayo a threat to the British colony.
European colonial expansion is likely to have triggered the whole thing. News at this time was unreliable ( no internet or mobile phones to challenge ).

Self-determination was unthinkable under Benjamin Disraeli's conservative Britain.
The Michael Caine film Zulu was a glorification of inaccuracies!


"History is a set of lies agreed upon."
Napoleon Bonaparte.

and is sketchy at best.
Is this something we should be proud of ? and is this something that should receive funds from councils (directly or indirectly).
The John Williams Fielding VC Memorial Trust managed to secure funding for a replacement headstone,The Cwmbran Regeneration Partnership awarded a grant of £3,752 and any additional costs covered by the Trust. ( or donations from other council various grants!)
A annual Parade will honour the Cwmbran hero and a temporary road closure for future events will be in force in the area of the church each year so no doubt police officers will be present at yet more cost.

The Long Depression was a worldwide economic recession, beginning in 1873 and running through the spring of 1879. It was the most severe in Europe and the United States.

Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s and are now well into their fifth year of falling real wages.
High inflation and stagnant pay for many workers means that real wages have now fallen for well over 40 months, according to calculations by the TUC. It says that is the longest such stretch of financial pain since 1875 to 1878, when the world economy was mired in the so-called long depression.
These figures expose once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth.


Lets live for today and stand up for the low paid and the willing unemployed who deserve better from the local Labour led short sighted, out for themselves,talking shop puppet councillors and as for the conservatives lets not even go there.
We know little about John Fielding the man! and Remember It is not known why John Fielding chose to join the army, nor why he enlisted in a name other than his own. John may have joined the glorious force because there was little else for him in the way of work other than a low paid labour intensive existence in the many British dark industrial satanic mills of the day. The working class consisted of both the skilled as well as the unskilled and workers were exploited at the hands of the other two classes. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers so I think that he would have approved of making efforts to the employment prospects of young people and the low paid so that they don’t need to join up and get sent to some far off land where they may never return from.

Sadly Suicide was an issue for many Victorian soldiers, which has echoes of reality of more modern conflicts. All too often the long term unemployed are portrayed by the media as being lazy work-shy scroungers and more often than not this is far from the truth.
Unemployed young people are twice as likely to be on anti-depressants and many have contemplated suicide, a disturbing report has found.
A study for The Prince's Trust found long-term jobless youngsters aged 16 to 25 are suffering "devastating" symptoms of mental illness and often self-harming.
More than 2,000 young people were surveyed, with 40% of those who were out of work saying they faced symptoms of mental illness.
Those unemployed for over a year were more likely to say they had no-one to confide in.

The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces, this is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours.
A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications.
The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013.

Some young lads (and indeed these days girls) clearly want to be soldiers but many have in the past chosen this path out of sheer lack of decent local job prospects.
Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers.

Most young people however just want jobs in the communities they grew up in.
No doubt some Labour councillor or another at some point in the future will suggest that we spend thousands more and have a statue built of the soldier who was no doubt very brave.
The memory and history of John Fielding and the Zulu war can be kept alive through history education in our schools.
Wouldn’t it be more honourable if funding is used to set up a John Fielding back to work program helping people find employment in Cwmbran or use the money to fund just one or two modern apprentices.
That would be something we could be proud of.

The coalition government of today are letting our youth fall through the cracks in our culture.
And our local Labour party are more interested in ceremonies for dead men and although the Labour party have promised jobs for young people and a living wage if they get elected - on a local level they could be doing a lot more right now.

“Uzovuna okutshalile”
Why not knock down and bulldoze all our war memorials as well.
Didn't we have a John Fielding House at Llantarnam which cared for the more vulnerable in our local community? Didn't it get knocked down in order to sell the land and build expensive detached private housing?
You would make an excellent politician. Why not stand for election?
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: Ministry of Defence says it needs new recruits. "More than meets the eye" The Zulu War was just another colonial war like many in other parts of the worldwide British Empire. I’m not doubting the bravery of British soldiers in the Victorian era just the fact that they were not fighting for the likes of you or I everyday folk. They were fighting to protect colonial wealth. In 1879 British colonial officials and the commander-in-chief in South Africa, Lord Chelmsford, considered the independent Zulu Kingdom ruled by Cetshwayo a threat to the British colony. European colonial expansion is likely to have triggered the whole thing. News at this time was unreliable ( no internet or mobile phones to challenge ). Self-determination was unthinkable under Benjamin Disraeli's conservative Britain. The Michael Caine film Zulu was a glorification of inaccuracies! "History is a set of lies agreed upon." Napoleon Bonaparte. and is sketchy at best. Is this something we should be proud of ? and is this something that should receive funds from councils (directly or indirectly). The John Williams Fielding VC Memorial Trust managed to secure funding for a replacement headstone,The Cwmbran Regeneration Partnership awarded a grant of £3,752 and any additional costs covered by the Trust. ( or donations from other council various grants!) A annual Parade will honour the Cwmbran hero and a temporary road closure for future events will be in force in the area of the church each year so no doubt police officers will be present at yet more cost. The Long Depression was a worldwide economic recession, beginning in 1873 and running through the spring of 1879. It was the most severe in Europe and the United States. Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s and are now well into their fifth year of falling real wages. High inflation and stagnant pay for many workers means that real wages have now fallen for well over 40 months, according to calculations by the TUC. It says that is the longest such stretch of financial pain since 1875 to 1878, when the world economy was mired in the so-called long depression. These figures expose once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth. Lets live for today and stand up for the low paid and the willing unemployed who deserve better from the local Labour led short sighted, out for themselves,talking shop puppet councillors and as for the conservatives lets not even go there. We know little about John Fielding the man! and Remember It is not known why John Fielding chose to join the army, nor why he enlisted in a name other than his own. John may have joined the glorious force because there was little else for him in the way of work other than a low paid labour intensive existence in the many British dark industrial satanic mills of the day. The working class consisted of both the skilled as well as the unskilled and workers were exploited at the hands of the other two classes. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers so I think that he would have approved of making efforts to the employment prospects of young people and the low paid so that they don’t need to join up and get sent to some far off land where they may never return from. Sadly Suicide was an issue for many Victorian soldiers, which has echoes of reality of more modern conflicts. All too often the long term unemployed are portrayed by the media as being lazy work-shy scroungers and more often than not this is far from the truth. Unemployed young people are twice as likely to be on anti-depressants and many have contemplated suicide, a disturbing report has found. A study for The Prince's Trust found long-term jobless youngsters aged 16 to 25 are suffering "devastating" symptoms of mental illness and often self-harming. More than 2,000 young people were surveyed, with 40% of those who were out of work saying they faced symptoms of mental illness. Those unemployed for over a year were more likely to say they had no-one to confide in. The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces, this is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours. A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications. The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013. Some young lads (and indeed these days girls) clearly want to be soldiers but many have in the past chosen this path out of sheer lack of decent local job prospects. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers. Most young people however just want jobs in the communities they grew up in. No doubt some Labour councillor or another at some point in the future will suggest that we spend thousands more and have a statue built of the soldier who was no doubt very brave. The memory and history of John Fielding and the Zulu war can be kept alive through history education in our schools. Wouldn’t it be more honourable if funding is used to set up a John Fielding back to work program helping people find employment in Cwmbran or use the money to fund just one or two modern apprentices. That would be something we could be proud of. The coalition government of today are letting our youth fall through the cracks in our culture. And our local Labour party are more interested in ceremonies for dead men and although the Labour party have promised jobs for young people and a living wage if they get elected - on a local level they could be doing a lot more right now. “Uzovuna okutshalile”[/p][/quote]Why not knock down and bulldoze all our war memorials as well. Didn't we have a John Fielding House at Llantarnam which cared for the more vulnerable in our local community? Didn't it get knocked down in order to sell the land and build expensive detached private housing? You would make an excellent politician. Why not stand for election? The Red Claw

5:06pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

The Red Claw wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne

ss
wrote:
Ministry of Defence says it needs new recruits. "More than meets the eye"

The Zulu War was just another colonial war like many in other parts of the worldwide British Empire.
I’m not doubting the bravery of British soldiers in the Victorian era just the fact that they were not fighting for the likes of you or I everyday folk. They were fighting to protect colonial wealth.
In 1879 British colonial officials and the commander-in-chief in South Africa, Lord Chelmsford, considered the independent Zulu Kingdom ruled by Cetshwayo a threat to the British colony.
European colonial expansion is likely to have triggered the whole thing. News at this time was unreliable ( no internet or mobile phones to challenge ).

Self-determination was unthinkable under Benjamin Disraeli's conservative Britain.
The Michael Caine film Zulu was a glorification of inaccuracies!


"History is a set of lies agreed upon."
Napoleon Bonaparte.

and is sketchy at best.
Is this something we should be proud of ? and is this something that should receive funds from councils (directly or indirectly).
The John Williams Fielding VC Memorial Trust managed to secure funding for a replacement headstone,The Cwmbran Regeneration Partnership awarded a grant of £3,752 and any additional costs covered by the Trust. ( or donations from other council various grants!)
A annual Parade will honour the Cwmbran hero and a temporary road closure for future events will be in force in the area of the church each year so no doubt police officers will be present at yet more cost.

The Long Depression was a worldwide economic recession, beginning in 1873 and running through the spring of 1879. It was the most severe in Europe and the United States.

Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s and are now well into their fifth year of falling real wages.
High inflation and stagnant pay for many workers means that real wages have now fallen for well over 40 months, according to calculations by the TUC. It says that is the longest such stretch of financial pain since 1875 to 1878, when the world economy was mired in the so-called long depression.
These figures expose once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth.


Lets live for today and stand up for the low paid and the willing unemployed who deserve better from the local Labour led short sighted, out for themselves,talking shop puppet councillors and as for the conservatives lets not even go there.
We know little about John Fielding the man! and Remember It is not known why John Fielding chose to join the army, nor why he enlisted in a name other than his own. John may have joined the glorious force because there was little else for him in the way of work other than a low paid labour intensive existence in the many British dark industrial satanic mills of the day. The working class consisted of both the skilled as well as the unskilled and workers were exploited at the hands of the other two classes. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers so I think that he would have approved of making efforts to the employment prospects of young people and the low paid so that they don’t need to join up and get sent to some far off land where they may never return from.

Sadly Suicide was an issue for many Victorian soldiers, which has echoes of reality of more modern conflicts. All too often the long term unemployed are portrayed by the media as being lazy work-shy scroungers and more often than not this is far from the truth.
Unemployed young people are twice as likely to be on anti-depressants and many have contemplated suicide, a disturbing report has found.
A study for The Prince's Trust found long-term jobless youngsters aged 16 to 25 are suffering "devastating" symptoms of mental illness and often self-harming.
More than 2,000 young people were surveyed, with 40% of those who were out of work saying they faced symptoms of mental illness.
Those unemployed for over a year were more likely to say they had no-one to confide in.

The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces, this is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours.
A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications.
The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013.

Some young lads (and indeed these days girls) clearly want to be soldiers but many have in the past chosen this path out of sheer lack of decent local job prospects.
Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers.

Most young people however just want jobs in the communities they grew up in.
No doubt some Labour councillor or another at some point in the future will suggest that we spend thousands more and have a statue built of the soldier who was no doubt very brave.
The memory and history of John Fielding and the Zulu war can be kept alive through history education in our schools.
Wouldn’t it be more honourable if funding is used to set up a John Fielding back to work program helping people find employment in Cwmbran or use the money to fund just one or two modern apprentices.
That would be something we could be proud of.

The coalition government of today are letting our youth fall through the cracks in our culture.
And our local Labour party are more interested in ceremonies for dead men and although the Labour party have promised jobs for young people and a living wage if they get elected - on a local level they could be doing a lot more right now.

“Uzovuna okutshalile”
Why not knock down and bulldoze all our war memorials as well.
Didn't we have a John Fielding House at Llantarnam which cared for the more vulnerable in our local community? Didn't it get knocked down in order to sell the land and build expensive detached private housing?
You would make an excellent politician. Why not stand for election?
"Kufanele ube uguquko ofisa ukulubona emhlabeni."
[quote][p][bold]The Red Claw[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: Ministry of Defence says it needs new recruits. "More than meets the eye" The Zulu War was just another colonial war like many in other parts of the worldwide British Empire. I’m not doubting the bravery of British soldiers in the Victorian era just the fact that they were not fighting for the likes of you or I everyday folk. They were fighting to protect colonial wealth. In 1879 British colonial officials and the commander-in-chief in South Africa, Lord Chelmsford, considered the independent Zulu Kingdom ruled by Cetshwayo a threat to the British colony. European colonial expansion is likely to have triggered the whole thing. News at this time was unreliable ( no internet or mobile phones to challenge ). Self-determination was unthinkable under Benjamin Disraeli's conservative Britain. The Michael Caine film Zulu was a glorification of inaccuracies! "History is a set of lies agreed upon." Napoleon Bonaparte. and is sketchy at best. Is this something we should be proud of ? and is this something that should receive funds from councils (directly or indirectly). The John Williams Fielding VC Memorial Trust managed to secure funding for a replacement headstone,The Cwmbran Regeneration Partnership awarded a grant of £3,752 and any additional costs covered by the Trust. ( or donations from other council various grants!) A annual Parade will honour the Cwmbran hero and a temporary road closure for future events will be in force in the area of the church each year so no doubt police officers will be present at yet more cost. The Long Depression was a worldwide economic recession, beginning in 1873 and running through the spring of 1879. It was the most severe in Europe and the United States. Britain's workers today are suffering the most protracted squeeze on their incomes since the long depression of the 1870s and are now well into their fifth year of falling real wages. High inflation and stagnant pay for many workers means that real wages have now fallen for well over 40 months, according to calculations by the TUC. It says that is the longest such stretch of financial pain since 1875 to 1878, when the world economy was mired in the so-called long depression. These figures expose once again the shallowness of our recovery. Without better jobs and decent pay rises we will not get sustainable growth. Lets live for today and stand up for the low paid and the willing unemployed who deserve better from the local Labour led short sighted, out for themselves,talking shop puppet councillors and as for the conservatives lets not even go there. We know little about John Fielding the man! and Remember It is not known why John Fielding chose to join the army, nor why he enlisted in a name other than his own. John may have joined the glorious force because there was little else for him in the way of work other than a low paid labour intensive existence in the many British dark industrial satanic mills of the day. The working class consisted of both the skilled as well as the unskilled and workers were exploited at the hands of the other two classes. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers so I think that he would have approved of making efforts to the employment prospects of young people and the low paid so that they don’t need to join up and get sent to some far off land where they may never return from. Sadly Suicide was an issue for many Victorian soldiers, which has echoes of reality of more modern conflicts. All too often the long term unemployed are portrayed by the media as being lazy work-shy scroungers and more often than not this is far from the truth. Unemployed young people are twice as likely to be on anti-depressants and many have contemplated suicide, a disturbing report has found. A study for The Prince's Trust found long-term jobless youngsters aged 16 to 25 are suffering "devastating" symptoms of mental illness and often self-harming. More than 2,000 young people were surveyed, with 40% of those who were out of work saying they faced symptoms of mental illness. Those unemployed for over a year were more likely to say they had no-one to confide in. The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces, this is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours. A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications. The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013. Some young lads (and indeed these days girls) clearly want to be soldiers but many have in the past chosen this path out of sheer lack of decent local job prospects. Fielding later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers. Most young people however just want jobs in the communities they grew up in. No doubt some Labour councillor or another at some point in the future will suggest that we spend thousands more and have a statue built of the soldier who was no doubt very brave. The memory and history of John Fielding and the Zulu war can be kept alive through history education in our schools. Wouldn’t it be more honourable if funding is used to set up a John Fielding back to work program helping people find employment in Cwmbran or use the money to fund just one or two modern apprentices. That would be something we could be proud of. The coalition government of today are letting our youth fall through the cracks in our culture. And our local Labour party are more interested in ceremonies for dead men and although the Labour party have promised jobs for young people and a living wage if they get elected - on a local level they could be doing a lot more right now. “Uzovuna okutshalile”[/p][/quote]Why not knock down and bulldoze all our war memorials as well. Didn't we have a John Fielding House at Llantarnam which cared for the more vulnerable in our local community? Didn't it get knocked down in order to sell the land and build expensive detached private housing? You would make an excellent politician. Why not stand for election?[/p][/quote]"Kufanele ube uguquko ofisa ukulubona emhlabeni." Milkmanofhumankindness

5:48pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

To be fair the Zulu Kingdom was an empire as well. Removing the traditionally white euro-centric interpretation of history, the Anglo-Zulu War can at least potentially be summed up as a clash between imperialist powers somewhat akin to the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71 between the emerging Wilhelmine Germany propelled by militaristic Prussia and Napoleon III's militarily weaker Bonapartist France. Somewhat ironically, the tightly-organised, militaristic Zulu Kingdom was indeed probably the African equivalent of Bismarck's Prussia, the very same which propelled German unification and subsequently Germanic (dubbed 'GrossDeutchland') dreams of an empire to rival that of the Brits. History's full of surprises!
To be fair the Zulu Kingdom was an empire as well. Removing the traditionally white euro-centric interpretation of history, the Anglo-Zulu War can at least potentially be summed up as a clash between imperialist powers somewhat akin to the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71 between the emerging Wilhelmine Germany propelled by militaristic Prussia and Napoleon III's militarily weaker Bonapartist France. Somewhat ironically, the tightly-organised, militaristic Zulu Kingdom was indeed probably the African equivalent of Bismarck's Prussia, the very same which propelled German unification and subsequently Germanic (dubbed 'GrossDeutchland') dreams of an empire to rival that of the Brits. History's full of surprises! Katie Re-Registered

6:11pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
To be fair the Zulu Kingdom was an empire as well. Removing the traditionally white euro-centric interpretation of history, the Anglo-Zulu War can at least potentially be summed up as a clash between imperialist powers somewhat akin to the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71 between the emerging Wilhelmine Germany propelled by militaristic Prussia and Napoleon III's militarily weaker Bonapartist France. Somewhat ironically, the tightly-organised, militaristic Zulu Kingdom was indeed probably the African equivalent of Bismarck's Prussia, the very same which propelled German unification and subsequently Germanic (dubbed 'GrossDeutchland') dreams of an empire to rival that of the Brits. History's full of surprises!
Zulu leaders and warriors at the time were probably a thoroughly bad lot and probably had the same ideologies as their counterparts and neither are worth celebrating.
We should keep the history and spirit of the individuals alive through history taught in schools and use funding to help people become what they want to become.
I think John would approve?
“Uzovuna okutshalile”
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: To be fair the Zulu Kingdom was an empire as well. Removing the traditionally white euro-centric interpretation of history, the Anglo-Zulu War can at least potentially be summed up as a clash between imperialist powers somewhat akin to the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71 between the emerging Wilhelmine Germany propelled by militaristic Prussia and Napoleon III's militarily weaker Bonapartist France. Somewhat ironically, the tightly-organised, militaristic Zulu Kingdom was indeed probably the African equivalent of Bismarck's Prussia, the very same which propelled German unification and subsequently Germanic (dubbed 'GrossDeutchland') dreams of an empire to rival that of the Brits. History's full of surprises![/p][/quote]Zulu leaders and warriors at the time were probably a thoroughly bad lot and probably had the same ideologies as their counterparts and neither are worth celebrating. We should keep the history and spirit of the individuals alive through history taught in schools and use funding to help people become what they want to become. I think John would approve? “Uzovuna okutshalile” Milkmanofhumankindness

6:17pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

I think that the fact that many of us take issue with the political system that Private Fielding was sent to fight for doesn't necessarily mean that we should celebrate his courage in the face of adversity. Many towns in the southern states of the USA celebrate confederate war heroes for instance for their bravery as individuals without buying into the despicable ideology of slavery. On the other hand, commemorating the aptitude and daring of a cavalry commander such as Nathan Bedford Forrest (with his notoriety as supposed traitor to the US constitution plus subsequent founder of the terrorist Ku Klux Klan) perhaps presents a far, far more contentious issue than paying homage to a British soldier of roughly the same period. Moreover, how many out there admire Rommel's renowned Afrika Korps even though technically - at least - they were fighting on behalf of the NSDAP?
I think that the fact that many of us take issue with the political system that Private Fielding was sent to fight for doesn't necessarily mean that we should celebrate his courage in the face of adversity. Many towns in the southern states of the USA celebrate confederate war heroes for instance for their bravery as individuals without buying into the despicable ideology of slavery. On the other hand, commemorating the aptitude and daring of a cavalry commander such as Nathan Bedford Forrest (with his notoriety as supposed traitor to the US constitution plus subsequent founder of the terrorist Ku Klux Klan) perhaps presents a far, far more contentious issue than paying homage to a British soldier of roughly the same period. Moreover, how many out there admire Rommel's renowned Afrika Korps even though technically - at least - they were fighting on behalf of the NSDAP? Katie Re-Registered

6:20pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Limestonecowboy says...

The Zulu wars thought it ws all about diamonds!
The Zulu wars thought it ws all about diamonds! Limestonecowboy

7:04pm Sun 19 Jan 14

J0seph says...

I was hoping to go. But I couldn't make it... It's an honour being related to him.
I was hoping to go. But I couldn't make it... It's an honour being related to him. J0seph

7:06pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
I think that the fact that many of us take issue with the political system that Private Fielding was sent to fight for doesn't necessarily mean that we should celebrate his courage in the face of adversity. Many towns in the southern states of the USA celebrate confederate war heroes for instance for their bravery as individuals without buying into the despicable ideology of slavery. On the other hand, commemorating the aptitude and daring of a cavalry commander such as Nathan Bedford Forrest (with his notoriety as supposed traitor to the US constitution plus subsequent founder of the terrorist Ku Klux Klan) perhaps presents a far, far more contentious issue than paying homage to a British soldier of roughly the same period. Moreover, how many out there admire Rommel's renowned Afrika Korps even though technically - at least - they were fighting on behalf of the NSDAP?
No problem celebrating Private Fielding s courage as long as it does not escalate to mainly the labour lot wanting more money spent, I know that some would like to see a statue of the man and that’s the kind of money that would fund a young apprentice.
Obviously those who fought to protect us from the likes of the Nazis are a different matter because those people were defending us and not the crowns colonial wealth so Im all for those kind of memorials.

“Uzovuna okutshalile” translated from Zulu means “You reap what you sow”

Lucy Ward sings For the Dead Men:
http://youtu.be/0Fbm
iWS4fgo
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: I think that the fact that many of us take issue with the political system that Private Fielding was sent to fight for doesn't necessarily mean that we should celebrate his courage in the face of adversity. Many towns in the southern states of the USA celebrate confederate war heroes for instance for their bravery as individuals without buying into the despicable ideology of slavery. On the other hand, commemorating the aptitude and daring of a cavalry commander such as Nathan Bedford Forrest (with his notoriety as supposed traitor to the US constitution plus subsequent founder of the terrorist Ku Klux Klan) perhaps presents a far, far more contentious issue than paying homage to a British soldier of roughly the same period. Moreover, how many out there admire Rommel's renowned Afrika Korps even though technically - at least - they were fighting on behalf of the NSDAP?[/p][/quote]No problem celebrating Private Fielding s courage as long as it does not escalate to mainly the labour lot wanting more money spent, I know that some would like to see a statue of the man and that’s the kind of money that would fund a young apprentice. Obviously those who fought to protect us from the likes of the Nazis are a different matter because those people were defending us and not the crowns colonial wealth so Im all for those kind of memorials. “Uzovuna okutshalile” translated from Zulu means “You reap what you sow” Lucy Ward sings For the Dead Men: http://youtu.be/0Fbm iWS4fgo Milkmanofhumankindness

7:41pm Sun 19 Jan 14

J0seph says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
I think that the fact that many of us take issue with the political system that Private Fielding was sent to fight for doesn't necessarily mean that we should celebrate his courage in the face of adversity. Many towns in the southern states of the USA celebrate confederate war heroes for instance for their bravery as individuals without buying into the despicable ideology of slavery. On the other hand, commemorating the aptitude and daring of a cavalry commander such as Nathan Bedford Forrest (with his notoriety as supposed traitor to the US constitution plus subsequent founder of the terrorist Ku Klux Klan) perhaps presents a far, far more contentious issue than paying homage to a British soldier of roughly the same period. Moreover, how many out there admire Rommel's renowned Afrika Korps even though technically - at least - they were fighting on behalf of the NSDAP?
No problem celebrating Private Fielding s courage as long as it does not escalate to mainly the labour lot wanting more money spent, I know that some would like to see a statue of the man and that’s the kind of money that would fund a young apprentice.
Obviously those who fought to protect us from the likes of the Nazis are a different matter because those people were defending us and not the crowns colonial wealth so Im all for those kind of memorials.

“Uzovuna okutshalile” translated from Zulu means “You reap what you sow”

Lucy Ward sings For the Dead Men:
http://youtu.be/0Fbm

iWS4fgo
"Obviously those who fought to protect us from the likes of the Nazis are a different matter because those people were defending us and not the crowns colonial wealth so Im all for those kind of memorials."

So what about the men and woman that have died in Iraq, Afghanistan, Falklands and many other (non world war) conflicts. Do they deserve to be remembered?

Soldiers don't decide why they go the battle. They do what they're told and make sure their friends/comrades survive.

This parade and anything named after John Fielding. Is to remember what he did and all the lives he helped save during the defence of Rorke's Drift.

He's a braver man than any of you haters will ever be...
Congrats on sitting at your computers, moaning about a hero and never doing anything honourable with your own life. I'm sure your families are proud of you...

"On 22–23 January 1879 at Rorke's Drift, Natal, South Africa, Private Williams and two other men held a distant room of the hospital for more than an hour until they had no ammunition left, when the Zulus burst in and killed one of the men and two patients. Meanwhile Private Williams had succeeded in knocking a hole in the partition and took the two remaining patients through into the next ward. He was there joined by Alfred Henry Hook, and working together (one holding the enemy at bayonet point while the other broke through three more partitions) they were able to bring eight patients into the inner line of defence."
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: I think that the fact that many of us take issue with the political system that Private Fielding was sent to fight for doesn't necessarily mean that we should celebrate his courage in the face of adversity. Many towns in the southern states of the USA celebrate confederate war heroes for instance for their bravery as individuals without buying into the despicable ideology of slavery. On the other hand, commemorating the aptitude and daring of a cavalry commander such as Nathan Bedford Forrest (with his notoriety as supposed traitor to the US constitution plus subsequent founder of the terrorist Ku Klux Klan) perhaps presents a far, far more contentious issue than paying homage to a British soldier of roughly the same period. Moreover, how many out there admire Rommel's renowned Afrika Korps even though technically - at least - they were fighting on behalf of the NSDAP?[/p][/quote]No problem celebrating Private Fielding s courage as long as it does not escalate to mainly the labour lot wanting more money spent, I know that some would like to see a statue of the man and that’s the kind of money that would fund a young apprentice. Obviously those who fought to protect us from the likes of the Nazis are a different matter because those people were defending us and not the crowns colonial wealth so Im all for those kind of memorials. “Uzovuna okutshalile” translated from Zulu means “You reap what you sow” Lucy Ward sings For the Dead Men: http://youtu.be/0Fbm iWS4fgo[/p][/quote]"Obviously those who fought to protect us from the likes of the Nazis are a different matter because those people were defending us and not the crowns colonial wealth so Im all for those kind of memorials." So what about the men and woman that have died in Iraq, Afghanistan, Falklands and many other (non world war) conflicts. Do they deserve to be remembered? Soldiers don't decide why they go the battle. They do what they're told and make sure their friends/comrades survive. This parade and anything named after John Fielding. Is to remember what he did and all the lives he helped save during the defence of Rorke's Drift. He's a braver man than any of you haters will ever be... Congrats on sitting at your computers, moaning about a hero and never doing anything honourable with your own life. I'm sure your families are proud of you... "On 22–23 January 1879 at Rorke's Drift, Natal, South Africa, Private Williams and two other men held a distant room of the hospital for more than an hour until they had no ammunition left, when the Zulus burst in and killed one of the men and two patients. Meanwhile Private Williams had succeeded in knocking a hole in the partition and took the two remaining patients through into the next ward. He was there joined by Alfred Henry Hook, and working together (one holding the enemy at bayonet point while the other broke through three more partitions) they were able to bring eight patients into the inner line of defence." J0seph

8:07pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

J0seph wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne

ss
wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
I think that the fact that many of us take issue with the political system that Private Fielding was sent to fight for doesn't necessarily mean that we should celebrate his courage in the face of adversity. Many towns in the southern states of the USA celebrate confederate war heroes for instance for their bravery as individuals without buying into the despicable ideology of slavery. On the other hand, commemorating the aptitude and daring of a cavalry commander such as Nathan Bedford Forrest (with his notoriety as supposed traitor to the US constitution plus subsequent founder of the terrorist Ku Klux Klan) perhaps presents a far, far more contentious issue than paying homage to a British soldier of roughly the same period. Moreover, how many out there admire Rommel's renowned Afrika Korps even though technically - at least - they were fighting on behalf of the NSDAP?
No problem celebrating Private Fielding s courage as long as it does not escalate to mainly the labour lot wanting more money spent, I know that some would like to see a statue of the man and that’s the kind of money that would fund a young apprentice.
Obviously those who fought to protect us from the likes of the Nazis are a different matter because those people were defending us and not the crowns colonial wealth so Im all for those kind of memorials.

“Uzovuna okutshalile” translated from Zulu means “You reap what you sow”

Lucy Ward sings For the Dead Men:
http://youtu.be/0Fbm


iWS4fgo
"Obviously those who fought to protect us from the likes of the Nazis are a different matter because those people were defending us and not the crowns colonial wealth so Im all for those kind of memorials."

So what about the men and woman that have died in Iraq, Afghanistan, Falklands and many other (non world war) conflicts. Do they deserve to be remembered?

Soldiers don't decide why they go the battle. They do what they're told and make sure their friends/comrades survive.

This parade and anything named after John Fielding. Is to remember what he did and all the lives he helped save during the defence of Rorke's Drift.

He's a braver man than any of you haters will ever be...
Congrats on sitting at your computers, moaning about a hero and never doing anything honourable with your own life. I'm sure your families are proud of you...

"On 22–23 January 1879 at Rorke's Drift, Natal, South Africa, Private Williams and two other men held a distant room of the hospital for more than an hour until they had no ammunition left, when the Zulus burst in and killed one of the men and two patients. Meanwhile Private Williams had succeeded in knocking a hole in the partition and took the two remaining patients through into the next ward. He was there joined by Alfred Henry Hook, and working together (one holding the enemy at bayonet point while the other broke through three more partitions) they were able to bring eight patients into the inner line of defence."
The Falklands conflict is a good comparison to the Zulu war however there is one huge difference in the fact that the existing islanders expressed Self-Determination
In a referendum the 1,517 valid votes cast, only 3 islanders voted "no" to the question: "Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory.
I have no problem in honouring the Falklands veterans or Zulu veterans but too much money spent on these things does not build a stable future for those unfortunate people who consider joining the army because there is nothing else for them..

I’m not doubting John Fielding s bravery he won a VC and yes he was probably a great guy and I would bet that if he could then he would like to see money spent on helping the young people of today get into employment that he was probably denied.
[quote][p][bold]J0seph[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: I think that the fact that many of us take issue with the political system that Private Fielding was sent to fight for doesn't necessarily mean that we should celebrate his courage in the face of adversity. Many towns in the southern states of the USA celebrate confederate war heroes for instance for their bravery as individuals without buying into the despicable ideology of slavery. On the other hand, commemorating the aptitude and daring of a cavalry commander such as Nathan Bedford Forrest (with his notoriety as supposed traitor to the US constitution plus subsequent founder of the terrorist Ku Klux Klan) perhaps presents a far, far more contentious issue than paying homage to a British soldier of roughly the same period. Moreover, how many out there admire Rommel's renowned Afrika Korps even though technically - at least - they were fighting on behalf of the NSDAP?[/p][/quote]No problem celebrating Private Fielding s courage as long as it does not escalate to mainly the labour lot wanting more money spent, I know that some would like to see a statue of the man and that’s the kind of money that would fund a young apprentice. Obviously those who fought to protect us from the likes of the Nazis are a different matter because those people were defending us and not the crowns colonial wealth so Im all for those kind of memorials. “Uzovuna okutshalile” translated from Zulu means “You reap what you sow” Lucy Ward sings For the Dead Men: http://youtu.be/0Fbm iWS4fgo[/p][/quote]"Obviously those who fought to protect us from the likes of the Nazis are a different matter because those people were defending us and not the crowns colonial wealth so Im all for those kind of memorials." So what about the men and woman that have died in Iraq, Afghanistan, Falklands and many other (non world war) conflicts. Do they deserve to be remembered? Soldiers don't decide why they go the battle. They do what they're told and make sure their friends/comrades survive. This parade and anything named after John Fielding. Is to remember what he did and all the lives he helped save during the defence of Rorke's Drift. He's a braver man than any of you haters will ever be... Congrats on sitting at your computers, moaning about a hero and never doing anything honourable with your own life. I'm sure your families are proud of you... "On 22–23 January 1879 at Rorke's Drift, Natal, South Africa, Private Williams and two other men held a distant room of the hospital for more than an hour until they had no ammunition left, when the Zulus burst in and killed one of the men and two patients. Meanwhile Private Williams had succeeded in knocking a hole in the partition and took the two remaining patients through into the next ward. He was there joined by Alfred Henry Hook, and working together (one holding the enemy at bayonet point while the other broke through three more partitions) they were able to bring eight patients into the inner line of defence."[/p][/quote]The Falklands conflict is a good comparison to the Zulu war however there is one huge difference in the fact that the existing islanders expressed Self-Determination In a referendum the 1,517 valid votes cast, only 3 islanders voted "no" to the question: "Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory. I have no problem in honouring the Falklands veterans or Zulu veterans but too much money spent on these things does not build a stable future for those unfortunate people who consider joining the army because there is nothing else for them.. I’m not doubting John Fielding s bravery he won a VC and yes he was probably a great guy and I would bet that if he could then he would like to see money spent on helping the young people of today get into employment that he was probably denied. Milkmanofhumankindness

9:32am Mon 20 Jan 14

ExNewport says...

I'm glad I wasn't one of the Zulu's called William! because Michael Caine shouted "fire at Will" all the time!!
I'm glad I wasn't one of the Zulu's called William! because Michael Caine shouted "fire at Will" all the time!! ExNewport

4:41pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

"Zulu movie Rorke's Drift VC winning battle myths"

BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-wales-16948
284
"Zulu movie Rorke's Drift VC winning battle myths" BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-wales-16948 284 Milkmanofhumankindness

5:56pm Mon 20 Jan 14

davidcp says...

I read a lot of the above with disgust - the historical contetx of war is irrelevant when showing respect to those who fought them, because they had no choice. I am reminded of the line in the film:

"Why us, sergeant-major?"
"'Cos we're here lad - no-one else."

For the soldiers sent - for whatever reason - that said it all.

Deep respect for them, and none for those who disrespect them and will not ever put themselves in danger but always revel in the rights that those who fought protected.
I read a lot of the above with disgust - the historical contetx of war is irrelevant when showing respect to those who fought them, because they had no choice. I am reminded of the line in the film: "Why us, sergeant-major?" "'Cos we're here lad - no-one else." For the soldiers sent - for whatever reason - that said it all. Deep respect for them, and none for those who disrespect them and will not ever put themselves in danger but always revel in the rights that those who fought protected. davidcp

7:19pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

davidcp wrote:
I read a lot of the above with disgust - the historical contetx of war is irrelevant when showing respect to those who fought them, because they had no choice. I am reminded of the line in the film:

"Why us, sergeant-major?"
"'Cos we're here lad - no-one else."

For the soldiers sent - for whatever reason - that said it all.

Deep respect for them, and none for those who disrespect them and will not ever put themselves in danger but always revel in the rights that those who fought protected.
No disrespect to you or any of the people who put their lives on the line, if you read my posts you will see that I have the utmost respect for Private Williams and all soldiers and if you read the BBC reported fact then you should have picked up on the fact that recruits were sought from farm labourers

“ The Army had moved the regiment's base to Brecon to recruit from unskilled industrial labourers”

In this era agriculture was declining as a result of the long depression.

The issue is young people face work shortages now as they did then and it would be more honourable to help people into work than to spend public money on gravestones and possibly a statue if some had their way.

Today We have many willing young people without work and many working people using food banks now you tell me what you think John the soldier would say if he could speak to us now.
And bear in mind he was keen to help young people himself he later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers.

I know what I think
[quote][p][bold]davidcp[/bold] wrote: I read a lot of the above with disgust - the historical contetx of war is irrelevant when showing respect to those who fought them, because they had no choice. I am reminded of the line in the film: "Why us, sergeant-major?" "'Cos we're here lad - no-one else." For the soldiers sent - for whatever reason - that said it all. Deep respect for them, and none for those who disrespect them and will not ever put themselves in danger but always revel in the rights that those who fought protected.[/p][/quote]No disrespect to you or any of the people who put their lives on the line, if you read my posts you will see that I have the utmost respect for Private Williams and all soldiers and if you read the BBC reported fact then you should have picked up on the fact that recruits were sought from farm labourers “ The Army had moved the regiment's base to Brecon to recruit from unskilled industrial labourers” In this era agriculture was declining as a result of the long depression. The issue is young people face work shortages now as they did then and it would be more honourable to help people into work than to spend public money on gravestones and possibly a statue if some had their way. Today We have many willing young people without work and many working people using food banks now you tell me what you think John the soldier would say if he could speak to us now. And bear in mind he was keen to help young people himself he later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers. I know what I think Milkmanofhumankindness

8:54am Tue 21 Jan 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
davidcp wrote:
I read a lot of the above with disgust - the historical contetx of war is irrelevant when showing respect to those who fought them, because they had no choice. I am reminded of the line in the film:

"Why us, sergeant-major?"
"'Cos we're here lad - no-one else."

For the soldiers sent - for whatever reason - that said it all.

Deep respect for them, and none for those who disrespect them and will not ever put themselves in danger but always revel in the rights that those who fought protected.
No disrespect to you or any of the people who put their lives on the line, if you read my posts you will see that I have the utmost respect for Private Williams and all soldiers and if you read the BBC reported fact then you should have picked up on the fact that recruits were sought from farm labourers

“ The Army had moved the regiment's base to Brecon to recruit from unskilled industrial labourers”

In this era agriculture was declining as a result of the long depression.

The issue is young people face work shortages now as they did then and it would be more honourable to help people into work than to spend public money on gravestones and possibly a statue if some had their way.

Today We have many willing young people without work and many working people using food banks now you tell me what you think John the soldier would say if he could speak to us now.
And bear in mind he was keen to help young people himself he later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers.

I know what I think
Ps: Please dont quote lines from the film they were never said.

"When you start say 'that's not quite right' the eyebrows start to raise and people say 'but I've seen the film!'."

Check ou the facts (BBC: Museum Curator Bill Cainan).

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-wales-16948
284


.
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidcp[/bold] wrote: I read a lot of the above with disgust - the historical contetx of war is irrelevant when showing respect to those who fought them, because they had no choice. I am reminded of the line in the film: "Why us, sergeant-major?" "'Cos we're here lad - no-one else." For the soldiers sent - for whatever reason - that said it all. Deep respect for them, and none for those who disrespect them and will not ever put themselves in danger but always revel in the rights that those who fought protected.[/p][/quote]No disrespect to you or any of the people who put their lives on the line, if you read my posts you will see that I have the utmost respect for Private Williams and all soldiers and if you read the BBC reported fact then you should have picked up on the fact that recruits were sought from farm labourers “ The Army had moved the regiment's base to Brecon to recruit from unskilled industrial labourers” In this era agriculture was declining as a result of the long depression. The issue is young people face work shortages now as they did then and it would be more honourable to help people into work than to spend public money on gravestones and possibly a statue if some had their way. Today We have many willing young people without work and many working people using food banks now you tell me what you think John the soldier would say if he could speak to us now. And bear in mind he was keen to help young people himself he later served as a recruiting agent for the The South Wales Borderers. I know what I think[/p][/quote]Ps: Please dont quote lines from the film they were never said. "When you start say 'that's not quite right' the eyebrows start to raise and people say 'but I've seen the film!'." Check ou the facts (BBC: Museum Curator Bill Cainan). http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-wales-16948 284 . Milkmanofhumankindness

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