THE NEWSDESK: What a perfect political storm....

South Wales Argus: THE NEWSDESK:  What a perfect political storm.... THE NEWSDESK: What a perfect political storm....

WHY does it always rain on me? Ah, the old Travis question. Well, according to one UKIP councillor, it's all David Cameron's fault, for legalising gay marriage.

Now, there are many things for which Mr Cameron and his government might, logically, be blamed. The state of the economy, foreign policy, that sort of thing.

But this councillor seems to think that Mr Cameron's gay marriage policy is the reason we suffered recent floods in the United Kingdom.

As opposed to it being winter, rainy, and there being high tides all at once.

Today, the UK Independence Party suspended said councillor, David Silvester, who claimed the country had been "beset by storms" since the passage of the new law on gay marriage because David Cameron had acted "arrogantly against the Gospel".

He was suspended by the party after defying a request not to do further interviews on his beliefs following his initial claims made in a letter to a local newspaper.

Not, technically, because of his views, though, it is worth noting.

The suspension came as leader Nigel Farage also launched a clearout of "extremist, nasty or barmy" views from the party ahead of polls in May.

And the very best of luck to you with that, Mr Farage.

Cllr SIlvester's comments would have had the cultural critic John Ruskin rolling his eyes.

Ruskin is widely through to have coined the term "pathetic fallacy" in his book "Modern Painters", a literary term for the attributing of human emotion and conduct to all aspects within nature.

Ruskin saw a kind of personification in poetic writing when, for example, clouds seem sullen, when leaves dance, when dogs laugh, or when rocks seem indifferent.

Cllr Silvester's form of pathetic fallacy sees anger in the rising tide of say, The Usk or The Wye, rather than the movements of the moon, the amount of rain which has fallen from the sky and all kinds of scientific reasons for it.

I have no truck with a pathetic fallacy such as this.

It's just another form of superstition - bringing in evergreen branches for sympathetic magic in the winter, believing an all-powerful being would be bothered enough to cause some properties to be flooded because someone gay, somewhere, loves someone else who happens to be gay.

Surely God would have bigger things about which to worry. War, famine, cruelty, disease.

How can anyone who believes in a loving God think such a being would punish people in such a random way?

It's a perverse position.

It's a position which would mean that the people of Wales have been specifically marked out for punishment with our constant wet weather. Oh how we must have sinned, given the wash-out of pretty much every August bank holiday since time immemorial.

Like the Rhod GIlbert joke, many of us didn't realise we could take off our kagouls until our ninth birthdays.

All that sideways Valleys rain, the rain which comes back up at you from the ground. Rain with attitude.

There I was as a Valleys kid, knowing that an angry God was sending that rain back up at me from the tarmac.....er, no. It had more to do with the nearby mountains making clouds unleash their water content to rise above them.

Sorry, Cllr Silvester, your argument didn't hold water with a nine-year-old then, and it doesn't hold water now.

My religious relatives might have joked that the "sun shines on the righteous" on seaside day trips, but I knew it to be humour.

They understood very well that God helps those who help themselves. Don't organise an outing to Barry Island in the middle of winter and expect to go sunbathing. I suspect that an omniscient being who gave us the power of good sense would expect us to use it.

I am, however, delighted that someone has started #ukipweather on Twitter, because it thoroughly brightened up my dark, rainy Saturday.

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5:30pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Just one point: the campaign was more about equal marriage than gay marriage. Transgender people of all sexualities (and none) are also discriminated against with regard to current heterosexist and gender normative marriage legislation and the aim of the campaign was to equalise marriage legally.
Just one point: the campaign was more about equal marriage than gay marriage. Transgender people of all sexualities (and none) are also discriminated against with regard to current heterosexist and gender normative marriage legislation and the aim of the campaign was to equalise marriage legally. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -1

5:39pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Casper says...

Katie, is there any weird view you happen to have that you can resist making so utterly boring with your comments?
Katie, is there any weird view you happen to have that you can resist making so utterly boring with your comments? Casper
  • Score: 0

6:26pm Sun 19 Jan 14

ChrisVogel says...

Are all religious conservatives obnoxious morons?
Are all religious conservatives obnoxious morons? ChrisVogel
  • Score: 3

6:44pm Sun 19 Jan 14

cath 872 says...

Marie, #ukipweather on Twitter is good, thanks for that, but look for the ukip shipping forcast. Hilarious.
Marie, #ukipweather on Twitter is good, thanks for that, but look for the ukip shipping forcast. Hilarious. cath 872
  • Score: 2

7:18pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Mr Angry says...

Just think if Bob Evans, Norman Jones, LLanmartin Angel, Scrap The Wag et al have their way , that UKIP clown could well be the next Home Sec
Just think if Bob Evans, Norman Jones, LLanmartin Angel, Scrap The Wag et al have their way , that UKIP clown could well be the next Home Sec Mr Angry
  • Score: 4

7:21pm Sun 19 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

ChrisVogel wrote:
Are all religious conservatives obnoxious morons?
Well, there's David Davies....ahh, no...I see what you mean.
[quote][p][bold]ChrisVogel[/bold] wrote: Are all religious conservatives obnoxious morons?[/p][/quote]Well, there's David Davies....ahh, no...I see what you mean. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 3

7:41pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Mr Angry says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
ChrisVogel wrote:
Are all religious conservatives obnoxious morons?
Well, there's David Davies....ahh, no...I see what you mean.
That guy makes David Davies look sane
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisVogel[/bold] wrote: Are all religious conservatives obnoxious morons?[/p][/quote]Well, there's David Davies....ahh, no...I see what you mean.[/p][/quote]That guy makes David Davies look sane Mr Angry
  • Score: 4

7:47pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Just think if Bob Evans, Norman Jones, LLanmartin Angel, Scrap The Wag et al have their way , that UKIP clown could well be the next Home Sec
AS usual; people are believing BBC misquotes. First these comments were made over 12 months ago when he was a Conservative councillor. No mention of Gays were made.

Here is the exact quote that he made to the local paper "The scriptures make it abundantly clear that a Christian nation that abandons its faith and acts contrary to the Gospel (and in naked breach of a coronation oath) will be beset by natural disasters such as storms, disease, pestilence and war."

""I wrote to David Cameron in April 2012 to warn him that disasters would accompany the passage of his same-sex marriage bill.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Just think if Bob Evans, Norman Jones, LLanmartin Angel, Scrap The Wag et al have their way , that UKIP clown could well be the next Home Sec[/p][/quote]AS usual; people are believing BBC misquotes. First these comments were made over 12 months ago when he was a Conservative councillor. No mention of Gays were made. Here is the exact quote that he made to the local paper "The scriptures make it abundantly clear that a Christian nation that abandons its faith and acts contrary to the Gospel (and in naked breach of a coronation oath) will be beset by natural disasters such as storms, disease, pestilence and war." ""I wrote to David Cameron in April 2012 to warn him that disasters would accompany the passage of his same-sex marriage bill. Bobevans
  • Score: -4

8:07pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Mr Angry says...

Bobevans wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Just think if Bob Evans, Norman Jones, LLanmartin Angel, Scrap The Wag et al have their way , that UKIP clown could well be the next Home Sec
AS usual; people are believing BBC misquotes. First these comments were made over 12 months ago when he was a Conservative councillor. No mention of Gays were made.

Here is the exact quote that he made to the local paper "The scriptures make it abundantly clear that a Christian nation that abandons its faith and acts contrary to the Gospel (and in naked breach of a coronation oath) will be beset by natural disasters such as storms, disease, pestilence and war."

""I wrote to David Cameron in April 2012 to warn him that disasters would accompany the passage of his same-sex marriage bill.
Don't try to backtrack and blame the BBC, I read this story on the Daily Mail's website. Still support UKIP do you Bob ?
I don't agree with Cameron on much but he was right about the nutters and fruitcakes.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Just think if Bob Evans, Norman Jones, LLanmartin Angel, Scrap The Wag et al have their way , that UKIP clown could well be the next Home Sec[/p][/quote]AS usual; people are believing BBC misquotes. First these comments were made over 12 months ago when he was a Conservative councillor. No mention of Gays were made. Here is the exact quote that he made to the local paper "The scriptures make it abundantly clear that a Christian nation that abandons its faith and acts contrary to the Gospel (and in naked breach of a coronation oath) will be beset by natural disasters such as storms, disease, pestilence and war." ""I wrote to David Cameron in April 2012 to warn him that disasters would accompany the passage of his same-sex marriage bill.[/p][/quote]Don't try to backtrack and blame the BBC, I read this story on the Daily Mail's website. Still support UKIP do you Bob ? I don't agree with Cameron on much but he was right about the nutters and fruitcakes. Mr Angry
  • Score: 4

8:44pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Magor says...

It was a stupid thing to say, but I know of other religions that are anti-gay and get away with it.When its a Christian saying it the knives are out.
It was a stupid thing to say, but I know of other religions that are anti-gay and get away with it.When its a Christian saying it the knives are out. Magor
  • Score: -2

11:49am Mon 20 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Just think if Bob Evans, Norman Jones, LLanmartin Angel, Scrap The Wag et al have their way , that UKIP clown could well be the next Home Sec
AS usual; people are believing BBC misquotes. First these comments were made over 12 months ago when he was a Conservative councillor. No mention of Gays were made.

Here is the exact quote that he made to the local paper "The scriptures make it abundantly clear that a Christian nation that abandons its faith and acts contrary to the Gospel (and in naked breach of a coronation oath) will be beset by natural disasters such as storms, disease, pestilence and war."

""I wrote to David Cameron in April 2012 to warn him that disasters would accompany the passage of his same-sex marriage bill.
Don't try to backtrack and blame the BBC, I read this story on the Daily Mail's website. Still support UKIP do you Bob ?
I don't agree with Cameron on much but he was right about the nutters and fruitcakes.
The comments were not made at the time he was a UKIP Councillor but when he was a Conservative councillor.

I thought as well you said you never read the Mail. I take it then you are also unhappy with Ken Livingstone who stated that there were to many Gays's in the Labour party
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Just think if Bob Evans, Norman Jones, LLanmartin Angel, Scrap The Wag et al have their way , that UKIP clown could well be the next Home Sec[/p][/quote]AS usual; people are believing BBC misquotes. First these comments were made over 12 months ago when he was a Conservative councillor. No mention of Gays were made. Here is the exact quote that he made to the local paper "The scriptures make it abundantly clear that a Christian nation that abandons its faith and acts contrary to the Gospel (and in naked breach of a coronation oath) will be beset by natural disasters such as storms, disease, pestilence and war." ""I wrote to David Cameron in April 2012 to warn him that disasters would accompany the passage of his same-sex marriage bill.[/p][/quote]Don't try to backtrack and blame the BBC, I read this story on the Daily Mail's website. Still support UKIP do you Bob ? I don't agree with Cameron on much but he was right about the nutters and fruitcakes.[/p][/quote]The comments were not made at the time he was a UKIP Councillor but when he was a Conservative councillor. I thought as well you said you never read the Mail. I take it then you are also unhappy with Ken Livingstone who stated that there were to many Gays's in the Labour party Bobevans
  • Score: -1

11:53am Mon 20 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Mr Angry wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
ChrisVogel wrote:
Are all religious conservatives obnoxious morons?
Well, there's David Davies....ahh, no...I see what you mean.
That guy makes David Davies look sane
No mean feat.

This guy's suspension from UKIP however just goes to perfectly illustrate how politicians are not encouraged to be honest people. Say what you like about David Davies, (and I often do) but at least he's honest about what he thinks.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisVogel[/bold] wrote: Are all religious conservatives obnoxious morons?[/p][/quote]Well, there's David Davies....ahh, no...I see what you mean.[/p][/quote]That guy makes David Davies look sane[/p][/quote]No mean feat. This guy's suspension from UKIP however just goes to perfectly illustrate how politicians are not encouraged to be honest people. Say what you like about David Davies, (and I often do) but at least he's honest about what he thinks. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 0

2:07pm Mon 20 Jan 14

whatintheworld says...

"The suspension came as leader Nigel Farage also launched a clearout of "extremist, nasty or barmy" views from the party ahead of polls in May.

And the very best of luck to you with that, Mr Farage."


hah best line in the story!
this article is excellent! A++++ would read again
"The suspension came as leader Nigel Farage also launched a clearout of "extremist, nasty or barmy" views from the party ahead of polls in May. And the very best of luck to you with that, Mr Farage." hah best line in the story! this article is excellent! A++++ would read again whatintheworld
  • Score: 2

2:44pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Mr Angry says...

Bobevans wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Just think if Bob Evans, Norman Jones, LLanmartin Angel, Scrap The Wag et al have their way , that UKIP clown could well be the next Home Sec
AS usual; people are believing BBC misquotes. First these comments were made over 12 months ago when he was a Conservative councillor. No mention of Gays were made.

Here is the exact quote that he made to the local paper "The scriptures make it abundantly clear that a Christian nation that abandons its faith and acts contrary to the Gospel (and in naked breach of a coronation oath) will be beset by natural disasters such as storms, disease, pestilence and war."

""I wrote to David Cameron in April 2012 to warn him that disasters would accompany the passage of his same-sex marriage bill.
Don't try to backtrack and blame the BBC, I read this story on the Daily Mail's website. Still support UKIP do you Bob ?
I don't agree with Cameron on much but he was right about the nutters and fruitcakes.
The comments were not made at the time he was a UKIP Councillor but when he was a Conservative councillor.

I thought as well you said you never read the Mail. I take it then you are also unhappy with Ken Livingstone who stated that there were to many Gays's in the Labour party
Bob, the fact he has been a UKIP member is proof enough he's got a few screws loose, as for Ken Livingstone, he says daft things as well, although in fairness he has a long way to go to top that ididot. I am no Labour Party member, I just hate the Tories and the far right like UKIP.

As for reading the Daily Mail, I don't buy it, wouldn't give them my money, just look at it now and again for a laugh see what the clowns are posting.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Just think if Bob Evans, Norman Jones, LLanmartin Angel, Scrap The Wag et al have their way , that UKIP clown could well be the next Home Sec[/p][/quote]AS usual; people are believing BBC misquotes. First these comments were made over 12 months ago when he was a Conservative councillor. No mention of Gays were made. Here is the exact quote that he made to the local paper "The scriptures make it abundantly clear that a Christian nation that abandons its faith and acts contrary to the Gospel (and in naked breach of a coronation oath) will be beset by natural disasters such as storms, disease, pestilence and war." ""I wrote to David Cameron in April 2012 to warn him that disasters would accompany the passage of his same-sex marriage bill.[/p][/quote]Don't try to backtrack and blame the BBC, I read this story on the Daily Mail's website. Still support UKIP do you Bob ? I don't agree with Cameron on much but he was right about the nutters and fruitcakes.[/p][/quote]The comments were not made at the time he was a UKIP Councillor but when he was a Conservative councillor. I thought as well you said you never read the Mail. I take it then you are also unhappy with Ken Livingstone who stated that there were to many Gays's in the Labour party[/p][/quote]Bob, the fact he has been a UKIP member is proof enough he's got a few screws loose, as for Ken Livingstone, he says daft things as well, although in fairness he has a long way to go to top that ididot. I am no Labour Party member, I just hate the Tories and the far right like UKIP. As for reading the Daily Mail, I don't buy it, wouldn't give them my money, just look at it now and again for a laugh see what the clowns are posting. Mr Angry
  • Score: 0

3:02pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Mr Angry says...

I think old Farage has shot himself in the foot again, trying hard to lose the female vote

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article
-2542638/
Women-children-worth
-big-City-firms
-Nigel-Farage-claims
.html
I think old Farage has shot himself in the foot again, trying hard to lose the female vote http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article -2542638/ Women-children-worth -big-City-firms -Nigel-Farage-claims .html Mr Angry
  • Score: 0

4:06pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

oh dear having sex with an alian is causing a Labour councillor problems

Simon Parkes, Labour Councillor, Says 'Sex With An Alien Is Causing Problems In My Marriage'

http://www.huffingto
npost.co.uk/2013/06/
18/labour-councillor
-simon-parkes-sex-al
ien-marriage-_n_3458
236.html
oh dear having sex with an alian is causing a Labour councillor problems Simon Parkes, Labour Councillor, Says 'Sex With An Alien Is Causing Problems In My Marriage' http://www.huffingto npost.co.uk/2013/06/ 18/labour-councillor -simon-parkes-sex-al ien-marriage-_n_3458 236.html Bobevans
  • Score: 0

4:24pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Mr Angry says...

This guy is just as nuts as the UKIP pratt, What point are you trying to make, all the parties have idiots, its just that UKIP have more than the others put together . Including the one in charge
This guy is just as nuts as the UKIP pratt, What point are you trying to make, all the parties have idiots, its just that UKIP have more than the others put together . Including the one in charge Mr Angry
  • Score: 0

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