Bid to make Benefits Street-style programme in Newport

WOULDN’T APPEAR: Tony Sefton outside the Nightingale pub in Bettws with a flyer left by Channel 5 in the Nightingale pub

WOULDN’T APPEAR: Tony Sefton outside the Nightingale pub in Bettws with a flyer left by Channel 5 in the Nightingale pub

First published in News

LEAFLETS appealing for participants for a new television programme about life on benefits have appeared in Bettws, Newport.

Under the heading, “What is life really like on benefits?” the notice explains Channel 5 are making a new documentary series looking at what life is really like when you live on benefits.

It said: “We are offering individuals and families the opportunity to speak about their personal experiences.”

Ed Buckley, a producer working for Channel 5’s in-house production company 5 Productions, said the idea of the programme had been conceived before Channel 4’s controversial Benefits Street was transmitted and that it was in no way influenced by it.

Kevin Whitehead, independent councillor for Bettws, said: “At the end of the day they’re playing with people’s lives. I bet they didn’t go to Langstone. They know what they are doing.

“You get dregs wherever you go but they will do our estate no favours.”

He said a woman had pulled several of the leaflets down in Bettws shops last Thursday.

Mr Buckley maintained the programme would focus on relationships about people on benefits in a “light, entertaining and positive way”.

Bruno’s hairdressers was among many of the businesses in Bettws shopping centre where the leaflets were dropped. One woman who works there, said: “I think it’s disgusting because they will edit it and make it worse. A lot of people in Bettws do actually work and they are just stereotyping people.”

Flyers were also left in The Nightingale pub, which was asked whether Channel 5 could film there. The pub declined their offer.

Tony Sefton has lived in Bettws his whole life and said he wouldn’t want to appear on the programme.

Mr Buckley said the production company had visited Merthyr Tydfil for two days at the end of last week.

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9:07am Tue 21 Jan 14

heresphil says...

I'm sure this programme will be just as authentic and insightful as Channel 5's other high quality documentary output.

We already know what the programme's agenda will be - stitch people up to fulfil a pre-determined set of stereotypes and, for extra flavour, add a few faked scenes of hoodies standing around on street corners drinking extra strength lager.

We've had this garbage programming with Bouncers and we don't need it again - get out of this city!!
I'm sure this programme will be just as authentic and insightful as Channel 5's other high quality documentary output. We already know what the programme's agenda will be - stitch people up to fulfil a pre-determined set of stereotypes and, for extra flavour, add a few faked scenes of hoodies standing around on street corners drinking extra strength lager. We've had this garbage programming with Bouncers and we don't need it again - get out of this city!! heresphil
  • Score: 45

9:22am Tue 21 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

“What is life really like on benefits?”

Why not speak to members of the Unemployment Movement, or Boycott Workfare? These will undoubtedly give you a more honest accounting of life on benefits than anyone you might find in pubs.
“What is life really like on benefits?” Why not speak to members of the Unemployment Movement, or Boycott Workfare? These will undoubtedly give you a more honest accounting of life on benefits than anyone you might find in pubs. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 15

9:55am Tue 21 Jan 14

Jimport says...

How about a documentary about corporate tax lawyers in the City of London? If we really want to see where most money is urinated out of the economy I suggest the offices of The Square Mile in London, rather than Bettws, would be the best place to start.
How about a documentary about corporate tax lawyers in the City of London? If we really want to see where most money is urinated out of the economy I suggest the offices of The Square Mile in London, rather than Bettws, would be the best place to start. Jimport
  • Score: 34

10:11am Tue 21 Jan 14

Mervyn James says...

heresphil wrote:
I'm sure this programme will be just as authentic and insightful as Channel 5's other high quality documentary output.

We already know what the programme's agenda will be - stitch people up to fulfil a pre-determined set of stereotypes and, for extra flavour, add a few faked scenes of hoodies standing around on street corners drinking extra strength lager.

We've had this garbage programming with Bouncers and we don't need it again - get out of this city!!
More claimant bashing, we would be more interested in how the Birmingham Authorities are going to address policies of dumping all the losers in one place,including 14 Romanians in ONE 3 bed house, 7 residents obviously who are in dire need of alcohol and drug program help, and 9 with clear mental health issues, as well as 3 families whose children are in a state of almost total neglect.. Iti s all well for te viewers to comment and apply derision and sensationalism to this TV program I'd want to see how it is addressed, and not just blame heaped on a section of people who clearly are in dire need of sorting out. Maybe if C5 funded a program of support and education towards these people and got them treatment THAT would make real positive viewing ,not just highlighting a street and an issue, that has been created in reality by the city council itself. That the residents are left to wade though uncleared rubbish... how else do you expect people to respond when they are treated the same way. They all need help one way or another, and they aren't getting it, so we sit at our screens and criticize them for that. No-one is saying give them more benefits,but support and a way out, yes.
[quote][p][bold]heresphil[/bold] wrote: I'm sure this programme will be just as authentic and insightful as Channel 5's other high quality documentary output. We already know what the programme's agenda will be - stitch people up to fulfil a pre-determined set of stereotypes and, for extra flavour, add a few faked scenes of hoodies standing around on street corners drinking extra strength lager. We've had this garbage programming with Bouncers and we don't need it again - get out of this city!![/p][/quote]More claimant bashing, we would be more interested in how the Birmingham Authorities are going to address policies of dumping all the losers in one place,including 14 Romanians in ONE 3 bed house, 7 residents obviously who are in dire need of alcohol and drug program help, and 9 with clear mental health issues, as well as 3 families whose children are in a state of almost total neglect.. Iti s all well for te viewers to comment and apply derision and sensationalism to this TV program I'd want to see how it is addressed, and not just blame heaped on a section of people who clearly are in dire need of sorting out. Maybe if C5 funded a program of support and education towards these people and got them treatment THAT would make real positive viewing ,not just highlighting a street and an issue, that has been created in reality by the city council itself. That the residents are left to wade though uncleared rubbish... how else do you expect people to respond when they are treated the same way. They all need help one way or another, and they aren't getting it, so we sit at our screens and criticize them for that. No-one is saying give them more benefits,but support and a way out, yes. Mervyn James
  • Score: 3

10:21am Tue 21 Jan 14

county mad says...

Mervyn james makes some good points but he is in fantasy land if he thinks Channel 5 ,under the rapacious Mr Desmond ,eould spend money on anything except sesationilism lies cheap "sexy" slappers and hard men showing off
Mervyn james makes some good points but he is in fantasy land if he thinks Channel 5 ,under the rapacious Mr Desmond ,eould spend money on anything except sesationilism lies cheap "sexy" slappers and hard men showing off county mad
  • Score: 10

10:21am Tue 21 Jan 14

Mr G Went says...

Would probably go something like this.......

Episode 1

"This is Bob, he is just about scraping through life in his council house in the heart of Newport."



"Meet his wife Sharon, an ex-pole dancer from Yorkshire, bearer of the 5 kids"



To be coninued.....
Would probably go something like this....... Episode 1 "This is Bob, he is just about scraping through life in his council house in the heart of Newport." [camera to scan around his living room, Bob sat on his leather sofa, staring blankly into his iphone 5s, Jeremy Kyle just starting on the 50" LED Samsung TV, sound booming out of the 5.1 Dolby surround sound system] "Meet his wife Sharon, an ex-pole dancer from Yorkshire, bearer of the 5 kids" [Camera scans to Sharon, sat in her pyjamas and Ugg boots, smoking a large Jamaican Woodbine. 3 snotty nosed unclean looking kids rush by eating cheesy wotsits, their faces smeared with orangey dye] To be coninued..... Mr G Went
  • Score: 13

10:22am Tue 21 Jan 14

Mr G Went says...

Would probably go something like this.......

Episode 1

"This is Bob, he is just about scraping through life in his council house in the heart of Newport."

(camera to scan around his living room, Bob sat on his leather sofa, staring blankly into his iphone 5s, Jeremy Kyle just starting on the 50" LED Samsung TV, sound booming out of the 5.1 Dolby surround sound system)

"Meet his wife Sharon, an ex-pole dancer from Yorkshire, bearer of the 5 kids"

(Camera scans to Sharon, sat in her pyjamas and Ugg boots, smoking a large Jamaican Woodbine. 3 snotty nosed unclean looking kids rush by eating cheesy wotsits, their faces smeared with orangey dye)

To be continued.....
Would probably go something like this....... Episode 1 "This is Bob, he is just about scraping through life in his council house in the heart of Newport." (camera to scan around his living room, Bob sat on his leather sofa, staring blankly into his iphone 5s, Jeremy Kyle just starting on the 50" LED Samsung TV, sound booming out of the 5.1 Dolby surround sound system) "Meet his wife Sharon, an ex-pole dancer from Yorkshire, bearer of the 5 kids" (Camera scans to Sharon, sat in her pyjamas and Ugg boots, smoking a large Jamaican Woodbine. 3 snotty nosed unclean looking kids rush by eating cheesy wotsits, their faces smeared with orangey dye) To be continued..... Mr G Went
  • Score: 20

10:31am Tue 21 Jan 14

Adrian Williams says...

Nice to see some people have got the sense the shun this type of brainless propoganda
Nice to see some people have got the sense the shun this type of brainless propoganda Adrian Williams
  • Score: 10

10:40am Tue 21 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Mr G Went wrote:
Would probably go something like this.......

Episode 1

"This is Bob, he is just about scraping through life in his council house in the heart of Newport."

(camera to scan around his living room, Bob sat on his leather sofa, staring blankly into his iphone 5s, Jeremy Kyle just starting on the 50" LED Samsung TV, sound booming out of the 5.1 Dolby surround sound system)

"Meet his wife Sharon, an ex-pole dancer from Yorkshire, bearer of the 5 kids"

(Camera scans to Sharon, sat in her pyjamas and Ugg boots, smoking a large Jamaican Woodbine. 3 snotty nosed unclean looking kids rush by eating cheesy wotsits, their faces smeared with orangey dye)

To be continued.....
Lol - some people have such a warped view of life on benefits.
[quote][p][bold]Mr G Went[/bold] wrote: Would probably go something like this....... Episode 1 "This is Bob, he is just about scraping through life in his council house in the heart of Newport." (camera to scan around his living room, Bob sat on his leather sofa, staring blankly into his iphone 5s, Jeremy Kyle just starting on the 50" LED Samsung TV, sound booming out of the 5.1 Dolby surround sound system) "Meet his wife Sharon, an ex-pole dancer from Yorkshire, bearer of the 5 kids" (Camera scans to Sharon, sat in her pyjamas and Ugg boots, smoking a large Jamaican Woodbine. 3 snotty nosed unclean looking kids rush by eating cheesy wotsits, their faces smeared with orangey dye) To be continued.....[/p][/quote]Lol - some people have such a warped view of life on benefits. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -11

11:10am Tue 21 Jan 14

mikewelsh says...

Better off filming at Pill and Corpo rd area, Non local people on Benefits.
Better off filming at Pill and Corpo rd area, Non local people on Benefits. mikewelsh
  • Score: 10

11:14am Tue 21 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

mikewelsh wrote:
Better off filming at Pill and Corpo rd area, Non local people on Benefits.
Ahhh, enter the thinly veiled racism...
[quote][p][bold]mikewelsh[/bold] wrote: Better off filming at Pill and Corpo rd area, Non local people on Benefits.[/p][/quote]Ahhh, enter the thinly veiled racism... GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -6

12:04pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Mr G Went says...

Episode 2

Bob and Sharon head to the supermarket for the weekly shop

(Camera crew scan to a 2 yr old 4 litre petrol Range Rover, and then again show it entering Sainsburys car park)

Bob and Sharon appear to be checking prices on the frozen ready meals, looking to get the best value

(Camera crew scan to Bob heading for the booze isle, with an empty trolley)

to be continued...
Episode 2 Bob and Sharon head to the supermarket for the weekly shop (Camera crew scan to a 2 yr old 4 litre petrol Range Rover, and then again show it entering Sainsburys car park) Bob and Sharon appear to be checking prices on the frozen ready meals, looking to get the best value (Camera crew scan to Bob heading for the booze isle, with an empty trolley) to be continued... Mr G Went
  • Score: 7

12:29pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Floppy backed says...

Why is the landlord so concerned surely genuine claimants don't drink in his pub as they set priorities and are out either looking for work or in training in the day time!!!!!
Why is the landlord so concerned surely genuine claimants don't drink in his pub as they set priorities and are out either looking for work or in training in the day time!!!!! Floppy backed
  • Score: 2

12:48pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Yet another example of the mainstream media's agenda which involves scapegoating those on benefits in an effort to make the working poor turn on them instead of their rich, lazy chums in the city. The snobby narrative adopted by the British upper-middle classes actually echoes the tone of Nazi propaganda during the Third Reich - terms like 'parasite', 'filthy', 'vermin', 'lice-ridden', 'criminal', 'ugly', 'degenerates' similarly crop up again and again in an effort to dehumanise fellow citizens to soften public opinion for their eventual persecution. I'm beginning to think that this is the regime our self-proclaimed 'social betters' model themselves on with their divide and rule tactics. Perhaps the biggest insult however is the fact that the bourgeious dominated media evidently assume that we are stupid enough to swallow such a crude exercise in blatant propaganda.
Yet another example of the mainstream media's agenda which involves scapegoating those on benefits in an effort to make the working poor turn on them instead of their rich, lazy chums in the city. The snobby narrative adopted by the British upper-middle classes actually echoes the tone of Nazi propaganda during the Third Reich - terms like 'parasite', 'filthy', 'vermin', 'lice-ridden', 'criminal', 'ugly', 'degenerates' similarly crop up again and again in an effort to dehumanise fellow citizens to soften public opinion for their eventual persecution. I'm beginning to think that this is the regime our self-proclaimed 'social betters' model themselves on with their divide and rule tactics. Perhaps the biggest insult however is the fact that the bourgeious dominated media evidently assume that we are stupid enough to swallow such a crude exercise in blatant propaganda. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -8

12:58pm Tue 21 Jan 14

p stani says...

mikewelsh wrote:
Better off filming at Pill and Corpo rd area, Non local people on Benefits.
They wont do that mate, they are all busy working legally and paying taxes with no burden to the welfare state and the NHS.So I am informed by Das Media.
[quote][p][bold]mikewelsh[/bold] wrote: Better off filming at Pill and Corpo rd area, Non local people on Benefits.[/p][/quote]They wont do that mate, they are all busy working legally and paying taxes with no burden to the welfare state and the NHS.So I am informed by Das Media. p stani
  • Score: 8

1:05pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Mr G Went says...

Episode 3

Sharon is deciding what the family should have for tea

(Camera scans over at Sharon, who is viewing various take away menu's. Cue one of the children running past and knocking over Bobs can of Special Vat)

Bobs brother arrives, Bob announces that they are off down the boozer as the Manks are on the telly tonight

(Camera shot of the local boozer, and a close up of Bob through the window, belching loudly as he finishes downing a bottle of Magners)

to be continued...
Episode 3 Sharon is deciding what the family should have for tea (Camera scans over at Sharon, who is viewing various take away menu's. Cue one of the children running past and knocking over Bobs can of Special Vat) Bobs brother arrives, Bob announces that they are off down the boozer as the Manks are on the telly tonight (Camera shot of the local boozer, and a close up of Bob through the window, belching loudly as he finishes downing a bottle of Magners) to be continued... Mr G Went
  • Score: 10

2:05pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Betty35 says...

Was there really a need to single out langstone in a public statement Cllr Whitehead? It may interest you to know that leaders of community based groups within langstone have indeed been contacted by channel 5 in the last week in relation to this programme. In any case, I don't see what is achieved by your statement other that antagonising families within langstone and creating tension between different areas of the same city.
Was there really a need to single out langstone in a public statement Cllr Whitehead? It may interest you to know that leaders of community based groups within langstone have indeed been contacted by channel 5 in the last week in relation to this programme. In any case, I don't see what is achieved by your statement other that antagonising families within langstone and creating tension between different areas of the same city. Betty35
  • Score: 7

2:11pm Tue 21 Jan 14

jaggededge says...

Mr G Went wrote:
Episode 3

Sharon is deciding what the family should have for tea

(Camera scans over at Sharon, who is viewing various take away menu's. Cue one of the children running past and knocking over Bobs can of Special Vat)

Bobs brother arrives, Bob announces that they are off down the boozer as the Manks are on the telly tonight

(Camera shot of the local boozer, and a close up of Bob through the window, belching loudly as he finishes downing a bottle of Magners)

to be continued...
Episode 4 please trouble is u are spot on with your observation
[quote][p][bold]Mr G Went[/bold] wrote: Episode 3 Sharon is deciding what the family should have for tea (Camera scans over at Sharon, who is viewing various take away menu's. Cue one of the children running past and knocking over Bobs can of Special Vat) Bobs brother arrives, Bob announces that they are off down the boozer as the Manks are on the telly tonight (Camera shot of the local boozer, and a close up of Bob through the window, belching loudly as he finishes downing a bottle of Magners) to be continued...[/p][/quote]Episode 4 please trouble is u are spot on with your observation jaggededge
  • Score: -1

2:12pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Adrian Williams says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Yet another example of the mainstream media's agenda which involves scapegoating those on benefits in an effort to make the working poor turn on them instead of their rich, lazy chums in the city. The snobby narrative adopted by the British upper-middle classes actually echoes the tone of Nazi propaganda during the Third Reich - terms like 'parasite', 'filthy', 'vermin', 'lice-ridden', 'criminal', 'ugly', 'degenerates' similarly crop up again and again in an effort to dehumanise fellow citizens to soften public opinion for their eventual persecution. I'm beginning to think that this is the regime our self-proclaimed 'social betters' model themselves on with their divide and rule tactics. Perhaps the biggest insult however is the fact that the bourgeious dominated media evidently assume that we are stupid enough to swallow such a crude exercise in blatant propaganda.
This is precisely why mainstream tv and tabloids has been dumbed down as much as possible with celebrities, X Factor, Britain's Got Talent, I'm a Celebrity etc. An educated working class is dangerous and not in their interests
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Yet another example of the mainstream media's agenda which involves scapegoating those on benefits in an effort to make the working poor turn on them instead of their rich, lazy chums in the city. The snobby narrative adopted by the British upper-middle classes actually echoes the tone of Nazi propaganda during the Third Reich - terms like 'parasite', 'filthy', 'vermin', 'lice-ridden', 'criminal', 'ugly', 'degenerates' similarly crop up again and again in an effort to dehumanise fellow citizens to soften public opinion for their eventual persecution. I'm beginning to think that this is the regime our self-proclaimed 'social betters' model themselves on with their divide and rule tactics. Perhaps the biggest insult however is the fact that the bourgeious dominated media evidently assume that we are stupid enough to swallow such a crude exercise in blatant propaganda.[/p][/quote]This is precisely why mainstream tv and tabloids has been dumbed down as much as possible with celebrities, X Factor, Britain's Got Talent, I'm a Celebrity etc. An educated working class is dangerous and not in their interests Adrian Williams
  • Score: 8

3:28pm Tue 21 Jan 14

monkeyboy70 says...

I think Bettws is perfect for a program like this because I have lived there so I know. Its full of wanna be hard men, mouthy women, drugies and drunks who mostly use the Nightingale pub !! bring it on I say and show the country what Bettws is all about.
I think Bettws is perfect for a program like this because I have lived there so I know. Its full of wanna be hard men, mouthy women, drugies and drunks who mostly use the Nightingale pub !! bring it on I say and show the country what Bettws is all about. monkeyboy70
  • Score: 13

3:56pm Tue 21 Jan 14

whatintheworld says...

Mr G Went wrote:
Episode 3 Sharon is deciding what the family should have for tea (Camera scans over at Sharon, who is viewing various take away menu's. Cue one of the children running past and knocking over Bobs can of Special Vat) Bobs brother arrives, Bob announces that they are off down the boozer as the Manks are on the telly tonight (Camera shot of the local boozer, and a close up of Bob through the window, belching loudly as he finishes downing a bottle of Magners) to be continued...
put a sock in it mate.

you are perpetuating the same rubbish as these programmes.
[quote][p][bold]Mr G Went[/bold] wrote: Episode 3 Sharon is deciding what the family should have for tea (Camera scans over at Sharon, who is viewing various take away menu's. Cue one of the children running past and knocking over Bobs can of Special Vat) Bobs brother arrives, Bob announces that they are off down the boozer as the Manks are on the telly tonight (Camera shot of the local boozer, and a close up of Bob through the window, belching loudly as he finishes downing a bottle of Magners) to be continued...[/p][/quote]put a sock in it mate. you are perpetuating the same rubbish as these programmes. whatintheworld
  • Score: -7

7:09pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Limestonecowboy says...

All these brain dead programmes. Wouldn't it be better to show how people from tough backgrounds having struggled early in life only to improve their lives by HARD WORK to be successful but ,of course, this wouldn't be a 'ratings winner'.
All these brain dead programmes. Wouldn't it be better to show how people from tough backgrounds having struggled early in life only to improve their lives by HARD WORK to be successful but ,of course, this wouldn't be a 'ratings winner'. Limestonecowboy
  • Score: 6

8:13pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Magor says...

I do wonder how true these are.I cant believe Birmingham Council would allow sofas and all that rubbish in the street,it would be interesting to visit the area to see what it is like.
I do wonder how true these are.I cant believe Birmingham Council would allow sofas and all that rubbish in the street,it would be interesting to visit the area to see what it is like. Magor
  • Score: -2

8:15pm Tue 21 Jan 14

scraptheWAG says...

benefits street they should name newport benefits town there are two many single mams with staffies and shell suit wearing boyfriends in this run down place.
benefits street they should name newport benefits town there are two many single mams with staffies and shell suit wearing boyfriends in this run down place. scraptheWAG
  • Score: 4

8:24pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Mervyn James says...

Limestonecowboy wrote:
All these brain dead programmes. Wouldn't it be better to show how people from tough backgrounds having struggled early in life only to improve their lives by HARD WORK to be successful but ,of course, this wouldn't be a 'ratings winner'.
This would just heap more negativity on the issue and demonise all who claim benefits, I would challenge the statement everyone in that road was a benefit claimant who took drugs, never worked in their lives, were alcoholics with mental health issues and single parents fiddling the state. I didn't see C4 fillmng anyone else ! It is the case the Local Authority put them in one place, deserted and demonised them, thus having creating the problem and making things worse. As regards to Bettws, hopefully no-one is going to take up C5's offer of being made an aunt sally for gutter TV and its daily mail viewers..
[quote][p][bold]Limestonecowboy[/bold] wrote: All these brain dead programmes. Wouldn't it be better to show how people from tough backgrounds having struggled early in life only to improve their lives by HARD WORK to be successful but ,of course, this wouldn't be a 'ratings winner'.[/p][/quote]This would just heap more negativity on the issue and demonise all who claim benefits, I would challenge the statement everyone in that road was a benefit claimant who took drugs, never worked in their lives, were alcoholics with mental health issues and single parents fiddling the state. I didn't see C4 fillmng anyone else ! It is the case the Local Authority put them in one place, deserted and demonised them, thus having creating the problem and making things worse. As regards to Bettws, hopefully no-one is going to take up C5's offer of being made an aunt sally for gutter TV and its daily mail viewers.. Mervyn James
  • Score: -8

8:36pm Tue 21 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Limestonecowboy wrote:
All these brain dead programmes. Wouldn't it be better to show how people from tough backgrounds having struggled early in life only to improve their lives by HARD WORK to be successful but ,of course, this wouldn't be a 'ratings winner'.
Wouldn't make good poverty p0rn now would it?
[quote][p][bold]Limestonecowboy[/bold] wrote: All these brain dead programmes. Wouldn't it be better to show how people from tough backgrounds having struggled early in life only to improve their lives by HARD WORK to be successful but ,of course, this wouldn't be a 'ratings winner'.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't make good poverty p0rn now would it? GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -6

10:19pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Stevenboy says...

Limestonecowboy wrote:
All these brain dead programmes. Wouldn't it be better to show how people from tough backgrounds having struggled early in life only to improve their lives by HARD WORK to be successful but ,of course, this wouldn't be a 'ratings winner'.
Agree. Am I the only one growing heartily sick at all the bleeding heart, Liberal Democrat, Guardian reader, comments on here espousing their feigned outrage and whinging at being allowed to watch where our taxes are spent? Nearly half of UK GDP goes on Government spending. We are entitled to know how and criticise. As for the programme itself, of course it's salacious. Who cares? It's not like they are pretending these people contribute is it? If you believe that then you are deluded.
[quote][p][bold]Limestonecowboy[/bold] wrote: All these brain dead programmes. Wouldn't it be better to show how people from tough backgrounds having struggled early in life only to improve their lives by HARD WORK to be successful but ,of course, this wouldn't be a 'ratings winner'.[/p][/quote]Agree. Am I the only one growing heartily sick at all the bleeding heart, Liberal Democrat, Guardian reader, comments on here espousing their feigned outrage and whinging at being allowed to watch where our taxes are spent? Nearly half of UK GDP goes on Government spending. We are entitled to know how and criticise. As for the programme itself, of course it's salacious. Who cares? It's not like they are pretending these people contribute is it? If you believe that then you are deluded. Stevenboy
  • Score: 5

11:23pm Tue 21 Jan 14

Dee-Gee says...

If you believe that the point of these programs is to let us "watch where our taxes are spent", then it is you who are sorely deluded, my friend.

I say that as a person who has worked bloody hard all their adult life, but has nonetheless had to rely on benefits in between jobs at times, especially when I was younger with less work experience.
If you believe that the point of these programs is to let us "watch where our taxes are spent", then it is you who are sorely deluded, my friend. I say that as a person who has worked bloody hard all their adult life, but has nonetheless had to rely on benefits in between jobs at times, especially when I was younger with less work experience. Dee-Gee
  • Score: -7

5:50am Wed 22 Jan 14

snafu1 says...

Jimport wrote:
How about a documentary about corporate tax lawyers in the City of London? If we really want to see where most money is urinated out of the economy I suggest the offices of The Square Mile in London, rather than Bettws, would be the best place to start.
Good post Jimport,i don,t know if this is common knowledge,but there is a distinct difference between city of London(the square mile) and London the city check it out one.The square mile is one of the major centre,s for tax fraud,sorry I ment avoidance !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: How about a documentary about corporate tax lawyers in the City of London? If we really want to see where most money is urinated out of the economy I suggest the offices of The Square Mile in London, rather than Bettws, would be the best place to start.[/p][/quote]Good post Jimport,i don,t know if this is common knowledge,but there is a distinct difference between city of London(the square mile) and London the city check it out one.The square mile is one of the major centre,s for tax fraud,sorry I ment avoidance !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! snafu1
  • Score: -1

7:20am Wed 22 Jan 14

Stevenboy says...

snafu1 wrote:
Jimport wrote:
How about a documentary about corporate tax lawyers in the City of London? If we really want to see where most money is urinated out of the economy I suggest the offices of The Square Mile in London, rather than Bettws, would be the best place to start.
Good post Jimport,i don,t know if this is common knowledge,but there is a distinct difference between city of London(the square mile) and London the city check it out one.The square mile is one of the major centre,s for tax fraud,sorry I ment avoidance !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!
Yet the top 1% earners pay around a third of all the income tax collected in the UK (treasury figures) so they can't be very good at it.
[quote][p][bold]snafu1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: How about a documentary about corporate tax lawyers in the City of London? If we really want to see where most money is urinated out of the economy I suggest the offices of The Square Mile in London, rather than Bettws, would be the best place to start.[/p][/quote]Good post Jimport,i don,t know if this is common knowledge,but there is a distinct difference between city of London(the square mile) and London the city check it out one.The square mile is one of the major centre,s for tax fraud,sorry I ment avoidance !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!![/p][/quote]Yet the top 1% earners pay around a third of all the income tax collected in the UK (treasury figures) so they can't be very good at it. Stevenboy
  • Score: 2

10:37am Wed 22 Jan 14

Jimport says...

Stevenboy wrote:
snafu1 wrote:
Jimport wrote:
How about a documentary about corporate tax lawyers in the City of London? If we really want to see where most money is urinated out of the economy I suggest the offices of The Square Mile in London, rather than Bettws, would be the best place to start.
Good post Jimport,i don,t know if this is common knowledge,but there is a distinct difference between city of London(the square mile) and London the city check it out one.The square mile is one of the major centre,s for tax fraud,sorry I ment avoidance !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!
Yet the top 1% earners pay around a third of all the income tax collected in the UK (treasury figures) so they can't be very good at it.
Yet the top 10% account for 40% of personal wealth in the UK, so let's hope they don't get any better at it.
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]snafu1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: How about a documentary about corporate tax lawyers in the City of London? If we really want to see where most money is urinated out of the economy I suggest the offices of The Square Mile in London, rather than Bettws, would be the best place to start.[/p][/quote]Good post Jimport,i don,t know if this is common knowledge,but there is a distinct difference between city of London(the square mile) and London the city check it out one.The square mile is one of the major centre,s for tax fraud,sorry I ment avoidance !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!![/p][/quote]Yet the top 1% earners pay around a third of all the income tax collected in the UK (treasury figures) so they can't be very good at it.[/p][/quote]Yet the top 10% account for 40% of personal wealth in the UK, so let's hope they don't get any better at it. Jimport
  • Score: -3

11:40am Wed 22 Jan 14

_Bryan_ says...

I can't imagine why they would want to fim in this pub. I earn a decent wage and can't remember the last time I could afford to drink in a pub. Surely people who are just scraping by on benefits can't afford to?
I can't imagine why they would want to fim in this pub. I earn a decent wage and can't remember the last time I could afford to drink in a pub. Surely people who are just scraping by on benefits can't afford to? _Bryan_
  • Score: 6

1:43pm Wed 22 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Stevenboy wrote:
Limestonecowboy wrote:
All these brain dead programmes. Wouldn't it be better to show how people from tough backgrounds having struggled early in life only to improve their lives by HARD WORK to be successful but ,of course, this wouldn't be a 'ratings winner'.
Agree. Am I the only one growing heartily sick at all the bleeding heart, Liberal Democrat, Guardian reader, comments on here espousing their feigned outrage and whinging at being allowed to watch where our taxes are spent? Nearly half of UK GDP goes on Government spending. We are entitled to know how and criticise. As for the programme itself, of course it's salacious. Who cares? It's not like they are pretending these people contribute is it? If you believe that then you are deluded.
Oh dear - woefully shortsighted opinion. The 'value' of benefits claimants surely lies in their benefit to the economy, does it not? Not only do they serve to drive down wages and working conditions for businesses, they also provide billions of pounds of stimulus to the economy... they're not given enough to save any money afterall. Instead it gets spent, week in and week out, in shops and businesses up and down the country. Not to mention all that money that goes to the banks from housing benefits that get paid towards mortgages held by landlords.

Remove those benefits and not only will all that income be lost for shops and wotnot - but in the absence of any jobs to give them, what do you think they'll do? Quietly starve? Not likely. What they'll do, in absence of a minimum to meet their needs, is take what they want from people like you.
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Limestonecowboy[/bold] wrote: All these brain dead programmes. Wouldn't it be better to show how people from tough backgrounds having struggled early in life only to improve their lives by HARD WORK to be successful but ,of course, this wouldn't be a 'ratings winner'.[/p][/quote]Agree. Am I the only one growing heartily sick at all the bleeding heart, Liberal Democrat, Guardian reader, comments on here espousing their feigned outrage and whinging at being allowed to watch where our taxes are spent? Nearly half of UK GDP goes on Government spending. We are entitled to know how and criticise. As for the programme itself, of course it's salacious. Who cares? It's not like they are pretending these people contribute is it? If you believe that then you are deluded.[/p][/quote]Oh dear - woefully shortsighted opinion. The 'value' of benefits claimants surely lies in their benefit to the economy, does it not? Not only do they serve to drive down wages and working conditions for businesses, they also provide billions of pounds of stimulus to the economy... they're not given enough to save any money afterall. Instead it gets spent, week in and week out, in shops and businesses up and down the country. Not to mention all that money that goes to the banks from housing benefits that get paid towards mortgages held by landlords. Remove those benefits and not only will all that income be lost for shops and wotnot - but in the absence of any jobs to give them, what do you think they'll do? Quietly starve? Not likely. What they'll do, in absence of a minimum to meet their needs, is take what they want from people like you. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -7

3:47am Thu 23 Jan 14

gathin says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
mikewelsh wrote:
Better off filming at Pill and Corpo rd area, Non local people on Benefits.
Ahhh, enter the thinly veiled racism...
It's not racism- it is fact.
95% of muslims in Europe are claiming.
Here is a link for you and your sensibilities....
http://www.liveleak.
com/view?i=aa0_13904
40324
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikewelsh[/bold] wrote: Better off filming at Pill and Corpo rd area, Non local people on Benefits.[/p][/quote]Ahhh, enter the thinly veiled racism...[/p][/quote]It's not racism- it is fact. 95% of muslims in Europe are claiming. Here is a link for you and your sensibilities.... http://www.liveleak. com/view?i=aa0_13904 40324 gathin
  • Score: 5

6:42am Thu 23 Jan 14

Dolieboy says...

Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ?

Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again.

Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.
Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ? Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again. Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it. Dolieboy
  • Score: 3

4:50pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Jimport says...

Dolieboy wrote:
Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ?

Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again.

Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.
Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?
[quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ? Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again. Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.[/p][/quote]Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse? Jimport
  • Score: -2

6:46pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Dolieboy says...

Jimport wrote:
Dolieboy wrote:
Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ?

Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again.

Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.
Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?
At least the fathers should contribute. Set up free nurseries, creates jobs for the childminders and the single mums can go out to work and not have the state keep them. Everyone's a winner.
[quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ? Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again. Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.[/p][/quote]Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?[/p][/quote]At least the fathers should contribute. Set up free nurseries, creates jobs for the childminders and the single mums can go out to work and not have the state keep them. Everyone's a winner. Dolieboy
  • Score: 3

7:52pm Thu 23 Jan 14

BigAng says...

Mr G Went = Legend......Can we have episode 4 now please? I'm hooked already!
Mr G Went = Legend......Can we have episode 4 now please? I'm hooked already! BigAng
  • Score: -2

10:01am Fri 24 Jan 14

Jimport says...

Dolieboy wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Dolieboy wrote:
Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ?

Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again.

Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.
Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?
At least the fathers should contribute. Set up free nurseries, creates jobs for the childminders and the single mums can go out to work and not have the state keep them. Everyone's a winner.
I think everyone can agree the father should contribute, the reality is it's very difficult and complicated to make them.

And your other suggestions are really good, why not just state them constructively in the first place rather than attacking people with vitriolic rhetoric?
[quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ? Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again. Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.[/p][/quote]Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?[/p][/quote]At least the fathers should contribute. Set up free nurseries, creates jobs for the childminders and the single mums can go out to work and not have the state keep them. Everyone's a winner.[/p][/quote]I think everyone can agree the father should contribute, the reality is it's very difficult and complicated to make them. And your other suggestions are really good, why not just state them constructively in the first place rather than attacking people with vitriolic rhetoric? Jimport
  • Score: -3

8:21pm Fri 24 Jan 14

bugsy93 says...

Sitting outside a Wetherspoons all day, A pint of lager in one hand ,a fag in the other whilst filling out a betting slip for the bookies and benefits capped at £26k must be nice to be able to do this on a daily basis.
Sitting outside a Wetherspoons all day, A pint of lager in one hand ,a fag in the other whilst filling out a betting slip for the bookies and benefits capped at £26k must be nice to be able to do this on a daily basis. bugsy93
  • Score: 5

9:17am Sat 25 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

Jimport wrote:
Dolieboy wrote:
Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ?

Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again.

Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.
Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?
No-contraception becomes a condition precedent for welfare. If you don't pitch up for your shot of Depo Provera or whatever then no more dosh.
I'm old enough o remember when safe contraception first arrived and we believed every child would be wanted, happy and giving happiness. So few welfare babies tick those boxes and who'd have believed we'd still have Baby P's half a century later? We pay for the dolees. Time we were listened to and not the West Hampstead Mutual Admiration Society.
[quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ? Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again. Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.[/p][/quote]Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?[/p][/quote]No-contraception becomes a condition precedent for welfare. If you don't pitch up for your shot of Depo Provera or whatever then no more dosh. I'm old enough o remember when safe contraception first arrived and we believed every child would be wanted, happy and giving happiness. So few welfare babies tick those boxes and who'd have believed we'd still have Baby P's half a century later? We pay for the dolees. Time we were listened to and not the West Hampstead Mutual Admiration Society. Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

1:19pm Sat 25 Jan 14

scraptheWAG says...

Magor wrote:
I do wonder how true these are.I cant believe Birmingham Council would allow sofas and all that rubbish in the street,it would be interesting to visit the area to see what it is like.
look on street view it is like that never found out why the unemployed just chuck there rubbish in the street
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: I do wonder how true these are.I cant believe Birmingham Council would allow sofas and all that rubbish in the street,it would be interesting to visit the area to see what it is like.[/p][/quote]look on street view it is like that never found out why the unemployed just chuck there rubbish in the street scraptheWAG
  • Score: 1

1:59pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Dolieboy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Dolieboy wrote:
Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ?

Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again.

Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.
Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?
No-contraception becomes a condition precedent for welfare. If you don't pitch up for your shot of Depo Provera or whatever then no more dosh.
I'm old enough o remember when safe contraception first arrived and we believed every child would be wanted, happy and giving happiness. So few welfare babies tick those boxes and who'd have believed we'd still have Baby P's half a century later? We pay for the dolees. Time we were listened to and not the West Hampstead Mutual Admiration Society.
Should also introduce compulsory drug and alcohol testing. No good saying you are actively seeking employment if you are unemployable. Failure means go on a program or lose benefits. The taxpayer would save millions.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ? Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again. Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.[/p][/quote]Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?[/p][/quote]No-contraception becomes a condition precedent for welfare. If you don't pitch up for your shot of Depo Provera or whatever then no more dosh. I'm old enough o remember when safe contraception first arrived and we believed every child would be wanted, happy and giving happiness. So few welfare babies tick those boxes and who'd have believed we'd still have Baby P's half a century later? We pay for the dolees. Time we were listened to and not the West Hampstead Mutual Admiration Society.[/p][/quote]Should also introduce compulsory drug and alcohol testing. No good saying you are actively seeking employment if you are unemployable. Failure means go on a program or lose benefits. The taxpayer would save millions. Dolieboy
  • Score: 3

9:02am Sun 26 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

Visible skin graffiti is another tricky one. Quite rightly it disqualifies you from being a copper. I certainly wouldn't employ anyone who had it. I well recall a now dead habitué of Oxford who'd been graffiti'd up as Spiderman. Was he a Job Seeker? Not many vacancies in freak shows. Yet he got Job Seekers' Allowance.
Visible skin graffiti is another tricky one. Quite rightly it disqualifies you from being a copper. I certainly wouldn't employ anyone who had it. I well recall a now dead habitué of Oxford who'd been graffiti'd up as Spiderman. Was he a Job Seeker? Not many vacancies in freak shows. Yet he got Job Seekers' Allowance. Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

11:18am Sun 26 Jan 14

Milkman Dan says...

Even though some areas are called "deprived", the women especially are not deprived of food. They should do a series in Tredegar or similar called "Fatties Street". Think of the huge amount of Greggs pies and pringles these women must eat to get that big. Some can only get out of their houses sideways, and if 2 or more get into Morrisons on their Beached Whale Mobility Scooters, they block the whole shop off to others.
Even though some areas are called "deprived", the women especially are not deprived of food. They should do a series in Tredegar or similar called "Fatties Street". Think of the huge amount of Greggs pies and pringles these women must eat to get that big. Some can only get out of their houses sideways, and if 2 or more get into Morrisons on their Beached Whale Mobility Scooters, they block the whole shop off to others. Milkman Dan
  • Score: 2

11:20am Sun 26 Jan 14

Milkman Dan says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Magor wrote:
I do wonder how true these are.I cant believe Birmingham Council would allow sofas and all that rubbish in the street,it would be interesting to visit the area to see what it is like.
look on street view it is like that never found out why the unemployed just chuck there rubbish in the street
It's like travellers , even when static they surround themselves with mounds of rubbish and a heap of burning tyres .
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: I do wonder how true these are.I cant believe Birmingham Council would allow sofas and all that rubbish in the street,it would be interesting to visit the area to see what it is like.[/p][/quote]look on street view it is like that never found out why the unemployed just chuck there rubbish in the street[/p][/quote]It's like travellers , even when static they surround themselves with mounds of rubbish and a heap of burning tyres . Milkman Dan
  • Score: 2

3:09pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Egberto says...

Well as an ex-Bettws resident I can say that the show would be thoroughly entertaining, very much looking forward it! There are plenty of dodgy characters around their, and I'm sure they'd say and do anything for a piece of channel 5's dollar.
Well as an ex-Bettws resident I can say that the show would be thoroughly entertaining, very much looking forward it! There are plenty of dodgy characters around their, and I'm sure they'd say and do anything for a piece of channel 5's dollar. Egberto
  • Score: 3

9:57am Mon 27 Jan 14

Jimport says...

Dolieboy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Dolieboy wrote:
Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ?

Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again.

Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.
Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?
No-contraception becomes a condition precedent for welfare. If you don't pitch up for your shot of Depo Provera or whatever then no more dosh.
I'm old enough o remember when safe contraception first arrived and we believed every child would be wanted, happy and giving happiness. So few welfare babies tick those boxes and who'd have believed we'd still have Baby P's half a century later? We pay for the dolees. Time we were listened to and not the West Hampstead Mutual Admiration Society.
Should also introduce compulsory drug and alcohol testing. No good saying you are actively seeking employment if you are unemployable. Failure means go on a program or lose benefits. The taxpayer would save millions.
Many governments have tried to control the worst aspects of human nature, but the problem is most people are weak and they keep failing. It sounds very fair and reasonable, 'take your contraception or we're finished with you', 'take your substance test or we're finished with you'. Perhaps it's worth a try, I don't have a crystal ball. But my instinct is that people will fail, even to stick to these simple little rules, because they are irrational and weak by nature.

You have to be prepared to see policies like these through to all their potential conclusions. Perhaps the vast majority of the kind of people you are targeting would turn up for their injection or give up the demon drink and drugs to pass their substance test. Personally, I doubt it. And I would have serious concerns about the impact of leaving huge numbers of unstable people with children and/or substance problems to their own devices and penniless. The impact this would have on me, my children, tax payers, society in general. You think there's problems with crime and substance abuse now? I fear for what the situation would be if these policies were enacted. I'm sure you can think of solutions to this - build some sort of camps perhaps, with guards and razor wire to keep them all away from us. As I said, many governments have tried to control human nature, often you have to have the stomach for some ugly stuff in order to see it through.
[quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ? Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again. Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.[/p][/quote]Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?[/p][/quote]No-contraception becomes a condition precedent for welfare. If you don't pitch up for your shot of Depo Provera or whatever then no more dosh. I'm old enough o remember when safe contraception first arrived and we believed every child would be wanted, happy and giving happiness. So few welfare babies tick those boxes and who'd have believed we'd still have Baby P's half a century later? We pay for the dolees. Time we were listened to and not the West Hampstead Mutual Admiration Society.[/p][/quote]Should also introduce compulsory drug and alcohol testing. No good saying you are actively seeking employment if you are unemployable. Failure means go on a program or lose benefits. The taxpayer would save millions.[/p][/quote]Many governments have tried to control the worst aspects of human nature, but the problem is most people are weak and they keep failing. It sounds very fair and reasonable, 'take your contraception or we're finished with you', 'take your substance test or we're finished with you'. Perhaps it's worth a try, I don't have a crystal ball. But my instinct is that people will fail, even to stick to these simple little rules, because they are irrational and weak by nature. You have to be prepared to see policies like these through to all their potential conclusions. Perhaps the vast majority of the kind of people you are targeting would turn up for their injection or give up the demon drink and drugs to pass their substance test. Personally, I doubt it. And I would have serious concerns about the impact of leaving huge numbers of unstable people with children and/or substance problems to their own devices and penniless. The impact this would have on me, my children, tax payers, society in general. You think there's problems with crime and substance abuse now? I fear for what the situation would be if these policies were enacted. I'm sure you can think of solutions to this - build some sort of camps perhaps, with guards and razor wire to keep them all away from us. As I said, many governments have tried to control human nature, often you have to have the stomach for some ugly stuff in order to see it through. Jimport
  • Score: 2

12:57pm Mon 27 Jan 14

ollie72 says...

Dolieboy wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Dolieboy wrote: Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ? Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again. Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.
Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?
At least the fathers should contribute. Set up free nurseries, creates jobs for the childminders and the single mums can go out to work and not have the state keep them. Everyone's a winner.
It's a good idea - would certainly be interesting to see what happened to the numbers of teenage pregnancies if it was no longer a way to guarantee an income for 16 years, and what would happen to the number of deadbeat dads if they had their benefits stopped to pay for their kids...

But what would you then do about those that still refused to work? Are their benefits stopped? If so, then you would have to be prepared to go the whole hog and put the children in care because there's no money/food, and that's where it gets dodgy...
[quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ? Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again. Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.[/p][/quote]Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?[/p][/quote]At least the fathers should contribute. Set up free nurseries, creates jobs for the childminders and the single mums can go out to work and not have the state keep them. Everyone's a winner.[/p][/quote]It's a good idea - would certainly be interesting to see what happened to the numbers of teenage pregnancies if it was no longer a way to guarantee an income for 16 years, and what would happen to the number of deadbeat dads if they had their benefits stopped to pay for their kids... But what would you then do about those that still refused to work? Are their benefits stopped? If so, then you would have to be prepared to go the whole hog and put the children in care because there's no money/food, and that's where it gets dodgy... ollie72
  • Score: 2

2:39pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Jimport says...

ollie72 wrote:
Dolieboy wrote:
Jimport wrote:
Dolieboy wrote: Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ? Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again. Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.
Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?
At least the fathers should contribute. Set up free nurseries, creates jobs for the childminders and the single mums can go out to work and not have the state keep them. Everyone's a winner.
It's a good idea - would certainly be interesting to see what happened to the numbers of teenage pregnancies if it was no longer a way to guarantee an income for 16 years, and what would happen to the number of deadbeat dads if they had their benefits stopped to pay for their kids...

But what would you then do about those that still refused to work? Are their benefits stopped? If so, then you would have to be prepared to go the whole hog and put the children in care because there's no money/food, and that's where it gets dodgy...
Exactly, or worse.
[quote][p][bold]ollie72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: Should be named Benefits estate. Take any of the large estates in Newport and look at the single mothers who cost the taxpayer millions in housing, council tax and other benefits. Most have never worked since leaving school and most never will work. By the time their children are grown up and they maybe look for a job, what can they put on their CV ? Their day consists of taking the kids to school, swearing at them as they do so. Then round the shops to buy some cigarettes, a natter and a coffee with a friend, while moaning about they don't know how they will pay for the kids clothes etc. Then all of a sudden it's time to go pick them up again. Maybe they should get a job and contribute to society and not leech off it.[/p][/quote]Let's assume you're right, despite the sweeping generalisations you make. What would you do , have people sterilised? Forced abortions? Back to the workhouse?[/p][/quote]At least the fathers should contribute. Set up free nurseries, creates jobs for the childminders and the single mums can go out to work and not have the state keep them. Everyone's a winner.[/p][/quote]It's a good idea - would certainly be interesting to see what happened to the numbers of teenage pregnancies if it was no longer a way to guarantee an income for 16 years, and what would happen to the number of deadbeat dads if they had their benefits stopped to pay for their kids... But what would you then do about those that still refused to work? Are their benefits stopped? If so, then you would have to be prepared to go the whole hog and put the children in care because there's no money/food, and that's where it gets dodgy...[/p][/quote]Exactly, or worse. Jimport
  • Score: 1

4:12pm Mon 27 Jan 14

endthelies says...

Milkman Dan wrote:
Even though some areas are called "deprived", the women especially are not deprived of food. They should do a series in Tredegar or similar called "Fatties Street". Think of the huge amount of Greggs pies and pringles these women must eat to get that big. Some can only get out of their houses sideways, and if 2 or more get into Morrisons on their Beached Whale Mobility Scooters, they block the whole shop off to others.
So there are no fat men then? and no fat people other than in 'Tredegar or similar'. Sexist and uninformed. Wow. Way to go Milkman Dan. What a silly billy.
[quote][p][bold]Milkman Dan[/bold] wrote: Even though some areas are called "deprived", the women especially are not deprived of food. They should do a series in Tredegar or similar called "Fatties Street". Think of the huge amount of Greggs pies and pringles these women must eat to get that big. Some can only get out of their houses sideways, and if 2 or more get into Morrisons on their Beached Whale Mobility Scooters, they block the whole shop off to others.[/p][/quote]So there are no fat men then? and no fat people other than in 'Tredegar or similar'. Sexist and uninformed. Wow. Way to go Milkman Dan. What a silly billy. endthelies
  • Score: 2

1:17pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Radio Wales says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Yet another example of the mainstream media's agenda which involves scapegoating those on benefits in an effort to make the working poor turn on them instead of their rich, lazy chums in the city. The snobby narrative adopted by the British upper-middle classes actually echoes the tone of Nazi propaganda during the Third Reich - terms like 'parasite', 'filthy', 'vermin', 'lice-ridden', 'criminal', 'ugly', 'degenerates' similarly crop up again and again in an effort to dehumanise fellow citizens to soften public opinion for their eventual persecution. I'm beginning to think that this is the regime our self-proclaimed 'social betters' model themselves on with their divide and rule tactics. Perhaps the biggest insult however is the fact that the bourgeious dominated media evidently assume that we are stupid enough to swallow such a crude exercise in blatant propaganda.
Yeah but.... The trouble is we ARE stupid enough to swallow all the propaganda guff.
If the telly and the papers say so, then it must be true!
Character assassination is the new way of playing the blame game.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Yet another example of the mainstream media's agenda which involves scapegoating those on benefits in an effort to make the working poor turn on them instead of their rich, lazy chums in the city. The snobby narrative adopted by the British upper-middle classes actually echoes the tone of Nazi propaganda during the Third Reich - terms like 'parasite', 'filthy', 'vermin', 'lice-ridden', 'criminal', 'ugly', 'degenerates' similarly crop up again and again in an effort to dehumanise fellow citizens to soften public opinion for their eventual persecution. I'm beginning to think that this is the regime our self-proclaimed 'social betters' model themselves on with their divide and rule tactics. Perhaps the biggest insult however is the fact that the bourgeious dominated media evidently assume that we are stupid enough to swallow such a crude exercise in blatant propaganda.[/p][/quote]Yeah but.... The trouble is we ARE stupid enough to swallow all the propaganda guff. If the telly and the papers say so, then it must be true! Character assassination is the new way of playing the blame game. Radio Wales
  • Score: 2

8:22pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

Free speech only enables those who abuse it.... if these people watched less TV and got engaged with reality....
Free speech only enables those who abuse it.... if these people watched less TV and got engaged with reality.... Mervyn James
  • Score: 1

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