LiveDrivers warned to avoid M4 after coach crash

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Summary

  • M4 re-opens
  • Air ambulance lands on motorway
  • Several injured in M4 coach crash
  • M4 closed both ways between J28 and J24
  • Crash in St Julians between bus, lorry and cars

5:39pm

All lanes have now re-opened on the M4.

Live video from today's crash:



5:37pm

Police have said the M4 is now fully reopened.

It was reopened around 5pm.

5:16pm

Traffic heavy throughout Newport as vehicles try and avoid delays on the SDR and M4 around the city.

 

Six-mile queues are still reported on the M4 eastbound, with tailbacks to J30 at Cardiff Gate.

4:31pm

The M4 westbound is now fully open.

4:07pm

There is no estimated time for the eastbound side of the M4 to re-open. A diversion is in place via the A48 SDR.

4:04pm

A spokeswoman for the Welsh Ambulance Services said nine patients – one with potentially serious injuries and eight with minor injuries – had been taken to the Royal Gwent Hospital.

The drivers of the lorry and car were treated at the scene but did not require hospital treatment.

Forty-four students who were travelling on the coach have been taken to a nearby rest centre where they were medically assessed.

3:25pm

A spokesperson for Caledonian Travel said that the driver, who is from Greenock in Scotland is currently having surgery and has leg injuries. His wife is travelling down to see him.

They added that despite the Caledonian Travel livery on the vehicle, it was not carrying their passengers, but was operated by Gibson Coaches.

Gibson coaches confirmed the passengers were an Argentinian youth rugby team and they were on their way from Cardiff to Bath.

2:56pm

One lane remains closed on the M4 westbound in Newport between J24 and J25a because of accident on the opposite carriageway.

The M4 eastbound remains closed between J24 and J28

2:12pm

Wales Air Ambulance sent this picture of their aircraft on the M4 today.

A spokeswoman for the service said the helicopter was scrambled at 9.37am and landed on scene at 10am. They airlifted a man to Morriston Hospital, Swansea at 10.40am and arriving there at 11am.

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1:49pm

Traffic cameras show eastbound empty and two westbound lanes running on the M4:

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1:42pm

Traffic is queueing for six miles eastbound between J28 at Tredegar Park and J24 at the Coldra. Congestion is stretching back to J30 at Cardiff Gate.

A48 Newport - Very slow traffic and heavier than usual traffic on A48 Southern Distributor Road eastbound between Tredegar Park and Coldra.

 

1:25pm

The coach involved in the crash was operated by Caledonian Travel.

1:19pm

THE Royal Gwent Hospital in Newport has been receiving walking wounded at their Accident and Emergncy department from the crash in St Julians.

Two off-site assesment centres have also been set up at the Newport Centre and St Julians medical centre.

1:17pm

More pictures of today's crash by Argus photographer Mark Lewis:

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1:11pm

The passengers are reported to be Argentinian.

12:56pm

Traffic queues are stretching back as far as Severn bridges westbound and  Cardiff Gate junction eastbound.

12:53pm

Two lanes have re-opened on the westbound side of the M4, the eastbound side remains closed.

Gwent Police say the bus was carrying students visiting from abroad – 57 passengers in total.

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12:43pm

South Wales Argus:

Chief Inspector Paul Evans said he appreciated the closure of the M4 is causing problems for motorists but that the decision to close the motorway is "never taken lightly".

He said drivers to avoid the area if possible and warned of more delays.

He added: “We need to ensure we investigate every such collision thoroughly gathering all evidence possible and also ensuring the safety of everyone involved as well as other motorists who will be using this road once it’s reopened.”

"We are grateful for the understanding and patience shown by drivers and their passengers today."

12:40pm

A spokesman for Gwent Police said the driver of the bus was injured and has been taken by air ambulance to Morriston Hospital.

He added two passengers on the bus that were injured, both adults, have been taken to the University Hospital of Wales in Cardiff. None of these casualties is in a life threatening condition.

Ten other passengers from the bus have gone to the Royal Gwent Hospital described as walking wounded – eight students and two adults.

The bus was carrying students visiting from abroad – 57 passengers in total.

12:37pm

Pictures from reader John Lee of this morning's crash:

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12:18pm

Staff at the Royal Gwent are treating one person with a major injury, who is described as being in a stable condition, and seven with minor injuries such as cuts.

11:57am

11:39am

THE Royal Gwent Hospital in Newport has been receiving walking wounded at their Accident and Emergncy department from the crash in St Julians.

Two off-site assesment centres have also been set up in Newport.

11:30am

Very slow traffic and traffic heavier than normal on A4042 Heidenheim Drive Southbound between B4591 Newport Bridge / B4591 Queensway (Old Green Interchange) and A48 Usk Way / A48 East Dock Road (Old Town Dock Traffic lights). Following the closure of the M4.

11:28am

A spokeswoman for the Welsh Ambulance Service said there are several casualties, details of which are currently unknown.

She added they sent two air ambulances and eight vehicles - four ambulances, two rapid response vehicles and two HART (Hazardous Area Response Team) vehicles to the scene. They also sent two doctors and and three ambulance officers.

11:21am

Clear-up on the M4 after the coach crash. Pic: Mark Lewis

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11:18am

Very slow traffic and traffic heavier than normal is reported on the SDR both ways due to the diversion in place following the closure of the M4.

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10:39am

Air ambulance takes off from M4

10:35am

There is no estimated time for the road to re-open. Westbound stretch is closed whilst air ambulance lands. Diversion via the A48 Southern Distributor Road is in place.

10:32am

THE M4 is closed both ways between J28 A48 / A467 Forge Road (Tredegar Park) and J24 A48 / A449 (Coldra).

 

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Gwent Police confirmed there are two reported casualties - the driver of the bus and a passenger.

The motorway has been closed in both directions between junction 24 and 28 so that the Air Ambulance can land and diversions are in place.

Officers are at the scene, together with the fire service and ambulance service.

10:09am

Pictures from reader Nathan Pearce of the coach crash:

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9:57am

Firefighters are at the scene of the crash on the eastbound stretch of the motorway.

9:55am

Scene of the accident:

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9:52am

Argus reader Sarah Biggs posted on the Argus Facebook page that the coach has crashed into a barrier and lots of waiting outside the bus.

9:50am

Are you at the scene? We have photographers en-route, but tell us what you can see or send pictures to newsdesk@southwalesargus.co.uk or leave a comment.

9:50am

Gwent Police said they were called just before 9.30am to the accident on the M4 between junctions 26 and 25.

They say the collision is between a lorry, a bus and a number of cars.

Firecrews have just arrived.

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1:09pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Jonnytrouble says...

Welcome to Newport the home of the outdated overcrowded M4 !
I hope nobody is seriously hurt in that nasty accident and whoever caused this mess gets prosecuted if it is driver error !
Last accident was Sat 1st February 2014 and it is now regular, no wonder our economy is struggling to recover..
WG take note again please as you wasted all that money on those new signs, speed cameras, we desperately need a relief M4 to start now !
Welcome to Newport the home of the outdated overcrowded M4 ! I hope nobody is seriously hurt in that nasty accident and whoever caused this mess gets prosecuted if it is driver error ! Last accident was Sat 1st February 2014 and it is now regular, no wonder our economy is struggling to recover.. WG take note again please as you wasted all that money on those new signs, speed cameras, we desperately need a relief M4 to start now ! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 27

1:26pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

Jonnytrouble wrote:
Welcome to Newport the home of the outdated overcrowded M4 !
I hope nobody is seriously hurt in that nasty accident and whoever caused this mess gets prosecuted if it is driver error !
Last accident was Sat 1st February 2014 and it is now regular, no wonder our economy is struggling to recover..
WG take note again please as you wasted all that money on those new signs, speed cameras, we desperately need a relief M4 to start now !
You can count on at least 3 accidents a week on this stretch of the Motorway.

It needs rebuilding it is not up to Motorway standard
[quote][p][bold]Jonnytrouble[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Newport the home of the outdated overcrowded M4 ! I hope nobody is seriously hurt in that nasty accident and whoever caused this mess gets prosecuted if it is driver error ! Last accident was Sat 1st February 2014 and it is now regular, no wonder our economy is struggling to recover.. WG take note again please as you wasted all that money on those new signs, speed cameras, we desperately need a relief M4 to start now ![/p][/quote]You can count on at least 3 accidents a week on this stretch of the Motorway. It needs rebuilding it is not up to Motorway standard Bobevans
  • Score: 24

1:30pm Tue 4 Feb 14

taffymark says...

Air Ambulances to Cardiff and Swansea, why? A so called city called Newport with serious congestion problems and a Hospital that is 5 minutes away from the accident obviously cannot accommodate Air Ambulances or even maybe the injuries sustained in the accident, says it all really!
Air Ambulances to Cardiff and Swansea, why? A so called city called Newport with serious congestion problems and a Hospital that is 5 minutes away from the accident obviously cannot accommodate Air Ambulances or even maybe the injuries sustained in the accident, says it all really! taffymark
  • Score: -17

1:40pm Tue 4 Feb 14

pod05pod says...

taffymark wrote:
Air Ambulances to Cardiff and Swansea, why? A so called city called Newport with serious congestion problems and a Hospital that is 5 minutes away from the accident obviously cannot accommodate Air Ambulances or even maybe the injuries sustained in the accident, says it all really!
Because the Royal Gwent doesn’t have a Helipad for the air ambulance to land?!?!
[quote][p][bold]taffymark[/bold] wrote: Air Ambulances to Cardiff and Swansea, why? A so called city called Newport with serious congestion problems and a Hospital that is 5 minutes away from the accident obviously cannot accommodate Air Ambulances or even maybe the injuries sustained in the accident, says it all really![/p][/quote]Because the Royal Gwent doesn’t have a Helipad for the air ambulance to land?!?! pod05pod
  • Score: 35

2:37pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Bvaughan says...

Couldn't do my driving test today because of this. So so annoying.
Couldn't do my driving test today because of this. So so annoying. Bvaughan
  • Score: -59

2:48pm Tue 4 Feb 14

gracief says...

I would've thought they could land a helicopter on the old Whiteheads site somewhere. We desperately need a new hospital with 21st Century facilties such as adequate parking and a helipad. Not exactly luxuries these days are they.
I would've thought they could land a helicopter on the old Whiteheads site somewhere. We desperately need a new hospital with 21st Century facilties such as adequate parking and a helipad. Not exactly luxuries these days are they. gracief
  • Score: 22

2:57pm Tue 4 Feb 14

k12345 says...

Bvaughan wrote:
Couldn't do my driving test today because of this. So so annoying.
how insensitive!! Just shows that you are not ready to pass your test due to your incapacity to be mature in serious cases!!

Should the people involved have needed to go to Royal Gwent Hospital, there are provisions in place to land a helicopter, the same as Nevill Hall. Evidently the injuries involved required specialist involvement. Granted RGH is a hospital but it doesn't have the capacity to cover every occasion.
[quote][p][bold]Bvaughan[/bold] wrote: Couldn't do my driving test today because of this. So so annoying.[/p][/quote]how insensitive!! Just shows that you are not ready to pass your test due to your incapacity to be mature in serious cases!! Should the people involved have needed to go to Royal Gwent Hospital, there are provisions in place to land a helicopter, the same as Nevill Hall. Evidently the injuries involved required specialist involvement. Granted RGH is a hospital but it doesn't have the capacity to cover every occasion. k12345
  • Score: 50

3:22pm Tue 4 Feb 14

I am deadly says...

Instead of blaming the road - look at the standard of driving today - very poor standard, some drivers not having any clue of basic driving skills - maybe its time all people had to take a test on motorways, because looking on normal roads at the standard at least 50% should never go near a motorway - you cannot blame a road this again will be proved human error.

Some facts.

Did you know?

95% of all road accidents involve some human error.
In 76% of road accidents the human is solely to blame.
Most road accidents could be prevented with care and quite simple common sense actions.
The majority of road accidents happen in built up areas.
Between 30% - 40% of all fatal accidents occur on the road.
The most dangerous hours on the roads on weekdays are the rush hours from 3.00 to 6.00pm, and then 7.00 to 9.00am.
One in seven people killed on the roads die in drink-drive accidents.
Most road accidents happen in daylight.

I can see what has happened here by the damage to the vehicles in the photos - and I am sure this will be proven correct very soon .
Instead of blaming the road - look at the standard of driving today - very poor standard, some drivers not having any clue of basic driving skills - maybe its time all people had to take a test on motorways, because looking on normal roads at the standard at least 50% should never go near a motorway - you cannot blame a road this again will be proved human error. Some facts. Did you know? 95% of all road accidents involve some human error. In 76% of road accidents the human is solely to blame. Most road accidents could be prevented with care and quite simple common sense actions. The majority of road accidents happen in built up areas. Between 30% - 40% of all fatal accidents occur on the road. The most dangerous hours on the roads on weekdays are the rush hours from 3.00 to 6.00pm, and then 7.00 to 9.00am. One in seven people killed on the roads die in drink-drive accidents. Most road accidents happen in daylight. I can see what has happened here by the damage to the vehicles in the photos - and I am sure this will be proven correct very soon . I am deadly
  • Score: 5

3:50pm Tue 4 Feb 14

CBG101 says...

Cant believe M4 eastbound is still closed after 6 hrs!!
Cant believe M4 eastbound is still closed after 6 hrs!! CBG101
  • Score: 11

3:56pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Bartlett1990 says...

It's ok, to get home I shall use the relie....

Oh wait, WHERE'S THIS GOD DAMNED RELIEF ROAD!!!
It's ok, to get home I shall use the relie.... Oh wait, WHERE'S THIS GOD DAMNED RELIEF ROAD!!! Bartlett1990
  • Score: 9

4:08pm Tue 4 Feb 14

portman says...

The design and layout of this stretch of the m4 causes confusion and driver error ,im sorry it's not fit for purpose ! A disaster is waiting to happen
The design and layout of this stretch of the m4 causes confusion and driver error ,im sorry it's not fit for purpose ! A disaster is waiting to happen portman
  • Score: 19

4:10pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

taffymark wrote:
Air Ambulances to Cardiff and Swansea, why? A so called city called Newport with serious congestion problems and a Hospital that is 5 minutes away from the accident obviously cannot accommodate Air Ambulances or even maybe the injuries sustained in the accident, says it all really!
They go to the nearest hospital best equipped for the type of injury
[quote][p][bold]taffymark[/bold] wrote: Air Ambulances to Cardiff and Swansea, why? A so called city called Newport with serious congestion problems and a Hospital that is 5 minutes away from the accident obviously cannot accommodate Air Ambulances or even maybe the injuries sustained in the accident, says it all really![/p][/quote]They go to the nearest hospital best equipped for the type of injury Bobevans
  • Score: 23

4:48pm Tue 4 Feb 14

DBTivney says...

Why is there a photo showing the driver still trapped in the coach? don't you examine pictures before posting ? get it off.
Why is there a photo showing the driver still trapped in the coach? don't you examine pictures before posting ? get it off. DBTivney
  • Score: -3

4:50pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Floppy backed says...

The whole of Newport and the surroundings have been put on stop. Our business has been seriously effected today and we dont use the M4!!! We cant carry on with the M4 being shut continually and its knock on effects.
The whole of Newport and the surroundings have been put on stop. Our business has been seriously effected today and we dont use the M4!!! We cant carry on with the M4 being shut continually and its knock on effects. Floppy backed
  • Score: 11

4:55pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

Floppy backed wrote:
The whole of Newport and the surroundings have been put on stop. Our business has been seriously effected today and we dont use the M4!!! We cant carry on with the M4 being shut continually and its knock on effects.
Get used to it. It is an almost daily problem so far all the WAG seems to want to do is build a Newport By pass using the already inadequate and equally as poorly designed SDR which in any case would do nothing at all to solve the problems with this badly designed section of the M4
[quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: The whole of Newport and the surroundings have been put on stop. Our business has been seriously effected today and we dont use the M4!!! We cant carry on with the M4 being shut continually and its knock on effects.[/p][/quote]Get used to it. It is an almost daily problem so far all the WAG seems to want to do is build a Newport By pass using the already inadequate and equally as poorly designed SDR which in any case would do nothing at all to solve the problems with this badly designed section of the M4 Bobevans
  • Score: 18

4:57pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Frankfurt says...

Bobevans wrote:
taffymark wrote:
Air Ambulances to Cardiff and Swansea, why? A so called city called Newport with serious congestion problems and a Hospital that is 5 minutes away from the accident obviously cannot accommodate Air Ambulances or even maybe the injuries sustained in the accident, says it all really!
They go to the nearest hospital best equipped for the type of injury
Also taking the injured to 3 hospitals spreads the load and helps the RGH .
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]taffymark[/bold] wrote: Air Ambulances to Cardiff and Swansea, why? A so called city called Newport with serious congestion problems and a Hospital that is 5 minutes away from the accident obviously cannot accommodate Air Ambulances or even maybe the injuries sustained in the accident, says it all really![/p][/quote]They go to the nearest hospital best equipped for the type of injury[/p][/quote]Also taking the injured to 3 hospitals spreads the load and helps the RGH . Frankfurt
  • Score: 14

5:09pm Tue 4 Feb 14

siameselady says...

Lets spare a thought for our fabulous emergency services who are always at hand to deal with these horrible situations. Also thank god there were no fatalities...
Lets spare a thought for our fabulous emergency services who are always at hand to deal with these horrible situations. Also thank god there were no fatalities... siameselady
  • Score: 29

5:17pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Jonnytrouble says...

I am deadly wrote:
Instead of blaming the road - look at the standard of driving today - very poor standard, some drivers not having any clue of basic driving skills - maybe its time all people had to take a test on motorways, because looking on normal roads at the standard at least 50% should never go near a motorway - you cannot blame a road this again will be proved human error.

Some facts.

Did you know?

95% of all road accidents involve some human error.
In 76% of road accidents the human is solely to blame.
Most road accidents could be prevented with care and quite simple common sense actions.
The majority of road accidents happen in built up areas.
Between 30% - 40% of all fatal accidents occur on the road.
The most dangerous hours on the roads on weekdays are the rush hours from 3.00 to 6.00pm, and then 7.00 to 9.00am.
One in seven people killed on the roads die in drink-drive accidents.
Most road accidents happen in daylight.

I can see what has happened here by the damage to the vehicles in the photos - and I am sure this will be proven correct very soon .
That is Utter rubbish saying......
'' I can see what has happened here by the damage to the vehicles in the photos - and I am sure this will be proven correct very soon ''

Anyway It could be mechanical ? oil on road ? etc. ? who knows except the Police investigators, so wait and see what we hear ( if we do ) the cause of this nasty accident,most probably your right on what your saying and it could be driver error to blame as so many just 'PULL OUT NOT LOOKING FIRST USING MIRRORS AND NOT SIGNALLING 'but as I said before this is now one overcrowded and out dated stretch of motorway and South Wales with Newport being the first City and Gateway desperately need this relief motorway urgent now and it's time for all this stalling to STOP once and for all for OUR Economy's sake...
Who on earth in there right mind would want to invest in OUR area if one hear's of this once again ?
Must be costing ££££££££'s in lost business !!!
[quote][p][bold]I am deadly[/bold] wrote: Instead of blaming the road - look at the standard of driving today - very poor standard, some drivers not having any clue of basic driving skills - maybe its time all people had to take a test on motorways, because looking on normal roads at the standard at least 50% should never go near a motorway - you cannot blame a road this again will be proved human error. Some facts. Did you know? 95% of all road accidents involve some human error. In 76% of road accidents the human is solely to blame. Most road accidents could be prevented with care and quite simple common sense actions. The majority of road accidents happen in built up areas. Between 30% - 40% of all fatal accidents occur on the road. The most dangerous hours on the roads on weekdays are the rush hours from 3.00 to 6.00pm, and then 7.00 to 9.00am. One in seven people killed on the roads die in drink-drive accidents. Most road accidents happen in daylight. I can see what has happened here by the damage to the vehicles in the photos - and I am sure this will be proven correct very soon .[/p][/quote]That is Utter rubbish saying...... '' I can see what has happened here by the damage to the vehicles in the photos - and I am sure this will be proven correct very soon '' Anyway It could be mechanical ? oil on road ? etc. ? who knows except the Police investigators, so wait and see what we hear ( if we do ) the cause of this nasty accident,most probably your right on what your saying and it could be driver error to blame as so many just 'PULL OUT NOT LOOKING FIRST USING MIRRORS AND NOT SIGNALLING 'but as I said before this is now one overcrowded and out dated stretch of motorway and South Wales with Newport being the first City and Gateway desperately need this relief motorway urgent now and it's time for all this stalling to STOP once and for all for OUR Economy's sake... Who on earth in there right mind would want to invest in OUR area if one hear's of this once again ? Must be costing ££££££££'s in lost business !!! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 11

5:38pm Tue 4 Feb 14

juicy.lucy says...

CBG101 wrote:
Cant believe M4 eastbound is still closed after 6 hrs!!
its because of the petrol and oil on the road?! this can cause accidents too do we really need another one soon after as you are moaning about it being closed, be moaning again then won't you
[quote][p][bold]CBG101[/bold] wrote: Cant believe M4 eastbound is still closed after 6 hrs!![/p][/quote]its because of the petrol and oil on the road?! this can cause accidents too do we really need another one soon after as you are moaning about it being closed, be moaning again then won't you juicy.lucy
  • Score: -6

5:44pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Lliswerry Man says...

Chief Inspector Paul Evans said he appreciated the closure of the M4 is causing problems for motorists but that the decision to close the motorway is "never taken lightly".

Which is good to hear, however follow this up with making sure the Routes you divert to are able to take the Extra Load, instead YOU do not, and the whole of Newport grinds to a halt, with drivers acting in totally inappropriate manners. Gwent Police need to sort this out properly. Appreciate the dangers you are then putting on the residents of Newport by allowing all this heavy traffic through, delaying not only businesses, delaying emergency services trying to get through for OTHER patients within our City and the safety of pedestrians trying to get across far busier roads, and children getting to and from schools. I do not think that the Chief Inspector actually does appreciate the full knock on effect.

If this were to happen this often around the m25, there would be an outcry and funds found to fix it. I used the m25 for 5 years and whilst accidents did happen, the Police made sure they did not simply shift the problems elsewhere, yes they have more lanes to work with, but they also have trained professionals who make sure diversions are managed properly, and there lies the problem in and around Newport, it is not managed correctly, just diverted. We apparently have "Highways Agency" vehicles who patrol the M4, why were they not placed at each location to manage the traffic that was being diverted, making sure drivers Obeyed Traffic Lights and Lane restrictions.

I as many of us do and would appreciate his professionalism at the scene of such devastation on the m4, but remember that their are other priorities also, that being the safety of people on the routes of the diversions, traffic does not stay on the sdr between closed junctions, they follow sat navs through the city, down the main roads, Cardiff Road, Chepstow Road, Malpas Road etc, any route they think they can get through quicker. If the wait for this "relief road" is to continue, then it is time, those who have the power to act, deal now with making sure diversions are managed correctly and cameras placed to monitor junctions, ie Coldra Roundabout, Malpas Roundabout, Tredegar Park Roundabout so that we simply do not move accident blackspots elsewhere.
Chief Inspector Paul Evans said he appreciated the closure of the M4 is causing problems for motorists but that the decision to close the motorway is "never taken lightly". Which is good to hear, however follow this up with making sure the Routes you divert to are able to take the Extra Load, instead YOU do not, and the whole of Newport grinds to a halt, with drivers acting in totally inappropriate manners. Gwent Police need to sort this out properly. Appreciate the dangers you are then putting on the residents of Newport by allowing all this heavy traffic through, delaying not only businesses, delaying emergency services trying to get through for OTHER patients within our City and the safety of pedestrians trying to get across far busier roads, and children getting to and from schools. I do not think that the Chief Inspector actually does appreciate the full knock on effect. If this were to happen this often around the m25, there would be an outcry and funds found to fix it. I used the m25 for 5 years and whilst accidents did happen, the Police made sure they did not simply shift the problems elsewhere, yes they have more lanes to work with, but they also have trained professionals who make sure diversions are managed properly, and there lies the problem in and around Newport, it is not managed correctly, just diverted. We apparently have "Highways Agency" vehicles who patrol the M4, why were they not placed at each location to manage the traffic that was being diverted, making sure drivers Obeyed Traffic Lights and Lane restrictions. I as many of us do and would appreciate his professionalism at the scene of such devastation on the m4, but remember that their are other priorities also, that being the safety of people on the routes of the diversions, traffic does not stay on the sdr between closed junctions, they follow sat navs through the city, down the main roads, Cardiff Road, Chepstow Road, Malpas Road etc, any route they think they can get through quicker. If the wait for this "relief road" is to continue, then it is time, those who have the power to act, deal now with making sure diversions are managed correctly and cameras placed to monitor junctions, ie Coldra Roundabout, Malpas Roundabout, Tredegar Park Roundabout so that we simply do not move accident blackspots elsewhere. Lliswerry Man
  • Score: 12

6:00pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Floppy backed says...

juicy.lucy wrote:
CBG101 wrote:
Cant believe M4 eastbound is still closed after 6 hrs!!
its because of the petrol and oil on the road?! this can cause accidents too do we really need another one soon after as you are moaning about it being closed, be moaning again then won't you
WEAK! There are professional companies that do spill clearing up you telling me that it takes over 6hrs to clear! This is a major road for the heart of everything in Wales there has to be faster response and plans in place for the next one and lets face it its more than once a week now.

There is a figure somewhere that states the amount of money the M4 brings to the country and shutting it for for a considerable amount of time is not acceptable.

Our company has lost serious hours and had to endure overtime which equals a waste of money that a small business employing a team cant afford!
[quote][p][bold]juicy.lucy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CBG101[/bold] wrote: Cant believe M4 eastbound is still closed after 6 hrs!![/p][/quote]its because of the petrol and oil on the road?! this can cause accidents too do we really need another one soon after as you are moaning about it being closed, be moaning again then won't you[/p][/quote]WEAK! There are professional companies that do spill clearing up you telling me that it takes over 6hrs to clear! This is a major road for the heart of everything in Wales there has to be faster response and plans in place for the next one and lets face it its more than once a week now. There is a figure somewhere that states the amount of money the M4 brings to the country and shutting it for for a considerable amount of time is not acceptable. Our company has lost serious hours and had to endure overtime which equals a waste of money that a small business employing a team cant afford! Floppy backed
  • Score: 5

6:29pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

Floppy backed wrote:
juicy.lucy wrote:
CBG101 wrote:
Cant believe M4 eastbound is still closed after 6 hrs!!
its because of the petrol and oil on the road?! this can cause accidents too do we really need another one soon after as you are moaning about it being closed, be moaning again then won't you
WEAK! There are professional companies that do spill clearing up you telling me that it takes over 6hrs to clear! This is a major road for the heart of everything in Wales there has to be faster response and plans in place for the next one and lets face it its more than once a week now.

There is a figure somewhere that states the amount of money the M4 brings to the country and shutting it for for a considerable amount of time is not acceptable.

Our company has lost serious hours and had to endure overtime which equals a waste of money that a small business employing a team cant afford!
If it keep delaying deliveries companies in England will order from elsewhere. They will not want to let their customers down

This section of the M$ should have been rebuilt years ago instead it is the usually assembly approach of lots of talk and do nothing. It has been the same thing with the Ebbw Vale to Newport rail service. The daft thing is they could run a service now by simply splitting and join trains at Rogerstone for whatever reason though the WAG has no real interest in running a service to Newport
[quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]juicy.lucy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CBG101[/bold] wrote: Cant believe M4 eastbound is still closed after 6 hrs!![/p][/quote]its because of the petrol and oil on the road?! this can cause accidents too do we really need another one soon after as you are moaning about it being closed, be moaning again then won't you[/p][/quote]WEAK! There are professional companies that do spill clearing up you telling me that it takes over 6hrs to clear! This is a major road for the heart of everything in Wales there has to be faster response and plans in place for the next one and lets face it its more than once a week now. There is a figure somewhere that states the amount of money the M4 brings to the country and shutting it for for a considerable amount of time is not acceptable. Our company has lost serious hours and had to endure overtime which equals a waste of money that a small business employing a team cant afford![/p][/quote]If it keep delaying deliveries companies in England will order from elsewhere. They will not want to let their customers down This section of the M$ should have been rebuilt years ago instead it is the usually assembly approach of lots of talk and do nothing. It has been the same thing with the Ebbw Vale to Newport rail service. The daft thing is they could run a service now by simply splitting and join trains at Rogerstone for whatever reason though the WAG has no real interest in running a service to Newport Bobevans
  • Score: 8

7:09pm Tue 4 Feb 14

JDLlanmartin says...

Questions for WAG and Highways Agency that no-one appears to be asking....
Why such long long queues?
Why did the WAG bother to buy, developand waste money on a road no-one knows about.? The road through the old Llanwern Steel works has had a few million spent on it. Wasn't it done to relieve the M4 in cases like this and keep WALES economy moving?
Why did the Highways Agency spend so much on Road traffic management signs and gantries along the M4?
Why do so few drivers using the M4 know of the above road that can get you past any M4 hold ups? Probably because there are no signs to even say the road exists on the M4.
No excuse for this WAG or Highways Agency - you have the traffic management system signs. use them for something useful instead of telling us the time every few hundred metres!!!!!!!!!
Questions for WAG and Highways Agency that no-one appears to be asking.... Why such long long queues? Why did the WAG bother to buy, developand waste money on a road no-one knows about.? The road through the old Llanwern Steel works has had a few million spent on it. Wasn't it done to relieve the M4 in cases like this and keep WALES economy moving? Why did the Highways Agency spend so much on Road traffic management signs and gantries along the M4? Why do so few drivers using the M4 know of the above road that can get you past any M4 hold ups? Probably because there are no signs to even say the road exists on the M4. No excuse for this WAG or Highways Agency - you have the traffic management system signs. use them for something useful instead of telling us the time every few hundred metres!!!!!!!!! JDLlanmartin
  • Score: 2

7:55pm Tue 4 Feb 14

jerymp says...

How about a large sign on the approaches to Newport saying " Be warned -- ahead lies a stretch of dangerous badly designed and crowded motorway, drive intelligently and maintain a sensible speed and distance from other vehicles"
Come to think of it this advice really applies to the whole of our road system but I`m afraid a significant number of drivers seem to think it doesn't apply to them.
How about a large sign on the approaches to Newport saying " Be warned -- ahead lies a stretch of dangerous badly designed and crowded motorway, drive intelligently and maintain a sensible speed and distance from other vehicles" Come to think of it this advice really applies to the whole of our road system but I`m afraid a significant number of drivers seem to think it doesn't apply to them. jerymp
  • Score: 6

8:37pm Tue 4 Feb 14

33daverave says...

JDLlanmartin wrote:
Questions for WAG and Highways Agency that no-one appears to be asking....
Why such long long queues?
Why did the WAG bother to buy, developand waste money on a road no-one knows about.? The road through the old Llanwern Steel works has had a few million spent on it. Wasn't it done to relieve the M4 in cases like this and keep WALES economy moving?
Why did the Highways Agency spend so much on Road traffic management signs and gantries along the M4?
Why do so few drivers using the M4 know of the above road that can get you past any M4 hold ups? Probably because there are no signs to even say the road exists on the M4.
No excuse for this WAG or Highways Agency - you have the traffic management system signs. use them for something useful instead of telling us the time every few hundred metres!!!!!!!!!
That road cost £13m and is utterly useless.It just ends up at the SDR and the bottleneck.I bet someone walked away happy when that dodgy contract was dished out.
Like a few others I know of at the WG.
[quote][p][bold]JDLlanmartin[/bold] wrote: Questions for WAG and Highways Agency that no-one appears to be asking.... Why such long long queues? Why did the WAG bother to buy, developand waste money on a road no-one knows about.? The road through the old Llanwern Steel works has had a few million spent on it. Wasn't it done to relieve the M4 in cases like this and keep WALES economy moving? Why did the Highways Agency spend so much on Road traffic management signs and gantries along the M4? Why do so few drivers using the M4 know of the above road that can get you past any M4 hold ups? Probably because there are no signs to even say the road exists on the M4. No excuse for this WAG or Highways Agency - you have the traffic management system signs. use them for something useful instead of telling us the time every few hundred metres!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]That road cost £13m and is utterly useless.It just ends up at the SDR and the bottleneck.I bet someone walked away happy when that dodgy contract was dished out. Like a few others I know of at the WG. 33daverave
  • Score: 4

9:07pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Limestonecowboy says...

Why are there posts from 'experts' implying this is driving error there will be an investigation; spare a thought for those injured & the students on the bus witness to what happened to the driver this could well of been caused by a mechanical fault.

This section of M4 is overcrowded so there is a higher likelyhood of incidents just get new M4 built - the Environmentalists are the ones causing the damage.
Why are there posts from 'experts' implying this is driving error there will be an investigation; spare a thought for those injured & the students on the bus witness to what happened to the driver this could well of been caused by a mechanical fault. This section of M4 is overcrowded so there is a higher likelyhood of incidents just get new M4 built - the Environmentalists are the ones causing the damage. Limestonecowboy
  • Score: 3

10:23pm Tue 4 Feb 14

polly909 says...

Since turning this stretch off road into a 50mph zone,has had the opposite affect.its deadly look at the stats
Since turning this stretch off road into a 50mph zone,has had the opposite affect.its deadly look at the stats polly909
  • Score: 1

10:42pm Tue 4 Feb 14

polly909 says...

With Everyone driving at the same restricted speed of 50mph on a busy intersection of the motorway, how can you expect to safely change lanes, get off at a junction, or join the motorway it's ridiculous,!. There were a lot less accidents when drivers were able to use the fast lane and slow lane policy, as cars could then manoeuvre into lanes a lot safer. Of course it's impossible to rule out driver error, but the 50mph zone is not the answer!
With Everyone driving at the same restricted speed of 50mph on a busy intersection of the motorway, how can you expect to safely change lanes, get off at a junction, or join the motorway it's ridiculous,!. There were a lot less accidents when drivers were able to use the fast lane and slow lane policy, as cars could then manoeuvre into lanes a lot safer. Of course it's impossible to rule out driver error, but the 50mph zone is not the answer! polly909
  • Score: -2

10:50pm Tue 4 Feb 14

jerymp says...

Polly,just go and put kettle on
Polly,just go and put kettle on jerymp
  • Score: -2

11:34pm Tue 4 Feb 14

polly909 says...

Look at the facts my friend,getting on and off the m4 through newport is a gamble,the slip roads are dangerously to short,the coldra roundabout is a lot safer now,with long slip roads on and off,get rid off the 50mph for the fast lane,on the st Julian's section at least,accidents have increased ten fold since the speed measures were implemented,ps hit the drivers hard who drive to slow,I was travelling behind someone who joined at the malpas intersection driving westbound doing the great speed off 30mph,I unable to pick up speed to join the munch faster and busier middle lane,there is no 50mph zone on that stretch
Look at the facts my friend,getting on and off the m4 through newport is a gamble,the slip roads are dangerously to short,the coldra roundabout is a lot safer now,with long slip roads on and off,get rid off the 50mph for the fast lane,on the st Julian's section at least,accidents have increased ten fold since the speed measures were implemented,ps hit the drivers hard who drive to slow,I was travelling behind someone who joined at the malpas intersection driving westbound doing the great speed off 30mph,I unable to pick up speed to join the munch faster and busier middle lane,there is no 50mph zone on that stretch polly909
  • Score: 1

12:15am Wed 5 Feb 14

jerymp says...

Polly, where is the evidence of a tenfold increase in accidents?
According to you decreasing speed to 50 mph increases accidents so can I assume that you believe that increasing the limit to 70 will mean less accidents.so why stop at 70 why not 80 or 90?
The faster you are travelling and the closer you are to other vehicles the less time you have to react to avoid a collision also The greater the speed the greater will be the damage to the vehicles and any persons in them
If you can't understand that you should not be driving
Polly, where is the evidence of a tenfold increase in accidents? According to you decreasing speed to 50 mph increases accidents so can I assume that you believe that increasing the limit to 70 will mean less accidents.so why stop at 70 why not 80 or 90? The faster you are travelling and the closer you are to other vehicles the less time you have to react to avoid a collision also The greater the speed the greater will be the damage to the vehicles and any persons in them If you can't understand that you should not be driving jerymp
  • Score: 4

1:40am Wed 5 Feb 14

gabriel williams says...

why did you change the speed limit back , that streach of motorway as it stands at the moment from coldra to cardiff gate should be 40mph . the amount of accidents on that part of motorway is shocking . still no relief road . took me 2 hours to get frrom one side of newport to the other earlier . id like to thank the emergency services for dealing with these accidents as i would just panic , they got nerves of steel to turn up to places and see things like this is it almost coming to every 3 days on the m4?
i know i shouldnt moan but the weather and the winds mightve had something to do with it as theres one hell of a sidewind there .
i dont think people take road conditions and weather into account now when they are driving and lots of people treat motorways as race tracks or runways to see how fast the vehicles can go . every vehice should be limited to 60mph in this country, there is no need to go any faster. i wouid make it law for every vehicle apart from emergency services to be fitted with a speed restrictor .
why did you change the speed limit back , that streach of motorway as it stands at the moment from coldra to cardiff gate should be 40mph . the amount of accidents on that part of motorway is shocking . still no relief road . took me 2 hours to get frrom one side of newport to the other earlier . id like to thank the emergency services for dealing with these accidents as i would just panic , they got nerves of steel to turn up to places and see things like this is it almost coming to every 3 days on the m4? i know i shouldnt moan but the weather and the winds mightve had something to do with it as theres one hell of a sidewind there . i dont think people take road conditions and weather into account now when they are driving and lots of people treat motorways as race tracks or runways to see how fast the vehicles can go . every vehice should be limited to 60mph in this country, there is no need to go any faster. i wouid make it law for every vehicle apart from emergency services to be fitted with a speed restrictor . gabriel williams
  • Score: 3

8:03am Wed 5 Feb 14

TransporterMan says...

Why does it take so long to clear an accident? It seems from the time line that all the injured were away by 11am. The motorway wasn't re-opened until around 5pm.
Does it really need 6 hours to clear the damaged vehicles? If every RTA was treated the same way the road system would be permanently gridlocked.
Why does it take so long to clear an accident? It seems from the time line that all the injured were away by 11am. The motorway wasn't re-opened until around 5pm. Does it really need 6 hours to clear the damaged vehicles? If every RTA was treated the same way the road system would be permanently gridlocked. TransporterMan
  • Score: 4

8:16am Wed 5 Feb 14

Dolieboy says...

polly909 wrote:
Look at the facts my friend,getting on and off the m4 through newport is a gamble,the slip roads are dangerously to short,the coldra roundabout is a lot safer now,with long slip roads on and off,get rid off the 50mph for the fast lane,on the st Julian's section at least,accidents have increased ten fold since the speed measures were implemented,ps hit the drivers hard who drive to slow,I was travelling behind someone who joined at the malpas intersection driving westbound doing the great speed off 30mph,I unable to pick up speed to join the munch faster and busier middle lane,there is no 50mph zone on that stretch
I can see from your post that you are not from the UK. I can also see that you could be the cause of a future accident. Joining or leaving a motorway is never a "gamble", it's a matter of indicating, adjusting your speed, looking for a gap and driving to suit the conditions. Please let us know when you intend to take to the roads.
[quote][p][bold]polly909[/bold] wrote: Look at the facts my friend,getting on and off the m4 through newport is a gamble,the slip roads are dangerously to short,the coldra roundabout is a lot safer now,with long slip roads on and off,get rid off the 50mph for the fast lane,on the st Julian's section at least,accidents have increased ten fold since the speed measures were implemented,ps hit the drivers hard who drive to slow,I was travelling behind someone who joined at the malpas intersection driving westbound doing the great speed off 30mph,I unable to pick up speed to join the munch faster and busier middle lane,there is no 50mph zone on that stretch[/p][/quote]I can see from your post that you are not from the UK. I can also see that you could be the cause of a future accident. Joining or leaving a motorway is never a "gamble", it's a matter of indicating, adjusting your speed, looking for a gap and driving to suit the conditions. Please let us know when you intend to take to the roads. Dolieboy
  • Score: 3

11:22am Wed 5 Feb 14

rightsideup says...

I'd like to see a comment from our illustrious WAG................
I'd like to see a comment from our illustrious WAG................ rightsideup
  • Score: 3

3:04pm Wed 5 Feb 14

cjwales1 says...

Do you now think after Newport being gridlocked yet again, even the hardfast treehuggers appreciate the need for the relief road to go ahead and the Lesser spotted great loony bird will have to move its nest 50m either side of it ???
If you look at the area surrounding the 2nd Severn crossing entrance onto the levels it is full of wildlife and a credit to those involved, however it seems that certain people have nothing better to do than just object to the idea of a new motorway !!! Wildlife moves !!! tis a shame your petty concerns are solid in your head !!! just move to somewhere that suits your self centered opinions !!!! Let the majority of people not have to face this anarchy on as it seems a nearly basis lately !!!
WE NEED A NEW ROAD !!!!!!!
Do you now think after Newport being gridlocked yet again, even the hardfast treehuggers appreciate the need for the relief road to go ahead and the Lesser spotted great loony bird will have to move its nest 50m either side of it ??? If you look at the area surrounding the 2nd Severn crossing entrance onto the levels it is full of wildlife and a credit to those involved, however it seems that certain people have nothing better to do than just object to the idea of a new motorway !!! Wildlife moves !!! tis a shame your petty concerns are solid in your head !!! just move to somewhere that suits your self centered opinions !!!! Let the majority of people not have to face this anarchy on as it seems a nearly basis lately !!! WE NEED A NEW ROAD !!!!!!! cjwales1
  • Score: 6

4:45pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Jonnytrouble says...

Lliswerry Man wrote:
Chief Inspector Paul Evans said he appreciated the closure of the M4 is causing problems for motorists but that the decision to close the motorway is "never taken lightly".

Which is good to hear, however follow this up with making sure the Routes you divert to are able to take the Extra Load, instead YOU do not, and the whole of Newport grinds to a halt, with drivers acting in totally inappropriate manners. Gwent Police need to sort this out properly. Appreciate the dangers you are then putting on the residents of Newport by allowing all this heavy traffic through, delaying not only businesses, delaying emergency services trying to get through for OTHER patients within our City and the safety of pedestrians trying to get across far busier roads, and children getting to and from schools. I do not think that the Chief Inspector actually does appreciate the full knock on effect.

If this were to happen this often around the m25, there would be an outcry and funds found to fix it. I used the m25 for 5 years and whilst accidents did happen, the Police made sure they did not simply shift the problems elsewhere, yes they have more lanes to work with, but they also have trained professionals who make sure diversions are managed properly, and there lies the problem in and around Newport, it is not managed correctly, just diverted. We apparently have "Highways Agency" vehicles who patrol the M4, why were they not placed at each location to manage the traffic that was being diverted, making sure drivers Obeyed Traffic Lights and Lane restrictions.

I as many of us do and would appreciate his professionalism at the scene of such devastation on the m4, but remember that their are other priorities also, that being the safety of people on the routes of the diversions, traffic does not stay on the sdr between closed junctions, they follow sat navs through the city, down the main roads, Cardiff Road, Chepstow Road, Malpas Road etc, any route they think they can get through quicker. If the wait for this "relief road" is to continue, then it is time, those who have the power to act, deal now with making sure diversions are managed correctly and cameras placed to monitor junctions, ie Coldra Roundabout, Malpas Roundabout, Tredegar Park Roundabout so that we simply do not move accident blackspots elsewhere.
BRILLIANT ! Well said....
Fancy going into Politics ?
You would be better than some we know who have not said a word, what do they do for the money there paid ?
[quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Chief Inspector Paul Evans said he appreciated the closure of the M4 is causing problems for motorists but that the decision to close the motorway is "never taken lightly". Which is good to hear, however follow this up with making sure the Routes you divert to are able to take the Extra Load, instead YOU do not, and the whole of Newport grinds to a halt, with drivers acting in totally inappropriate manners. Gwent Police need to sort this out properly. Appreciate the dangers you are then putting on the residents of Newport by allowing all this heavy traffic through, delaying not only businesses, delaying emergency services trying to get through for OTHER patients within our City and the safety of pedestrians trying to get across far busier roads, and children getting to and from schools. I do not think that the Chief Inspector actually does appreciate the full knock on effect. If this were to happen this often around the m25, there would be an outcry and funds found to fix it. I used the m25 for 5 years and whilst accidents did happen, the Police made sure they did not simply shift the problems elsewhere, yes they have more lanes to work with, but they also have trained professionals who make sure diversions are managed properly, and there lies the problem in and around Newport, it is not managed correctly, just diverted. We apparently have "Highways Agency" vehicles who patrol the M4, why were they not placed at each location to manage the traffic that was being diverted, making sure drivers Obeyed Traffic Lights and Lane restrictions. I as many of us do and would appreciate his professionalism at the scene of such devastation on the m4, but remember that their are other priorities also, that being the safety of people on the routes of the diversions, traffic does not stay on the sdr between closed junctions, they follow sat navs through the city, down the main roads, Cardiff Road, Chepstow Road, Malpas Road etc, any route they think they can get through quicker. If the wait for this "relief road" is to continue, then it is time, those who have the power to act, deal now with making sure diversions are managed correctly and cameras placed to monitor junctions, ie Coldra Roundabout, Malpas Roundabout, Tredegar Park Roundabout so that we simply do not move accident blackspots elsewhere.[/p][/quote]BRILLIANT ! Well said.... Fancy going into Politics ? You would be better than some we know who have not said a word, what do they do for the money there paid ? Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 6

4:52pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Jonnytrouble says...

polly909 wrote:
Look at the facts my friend,getting on and off the m4 through newport is a gamble,the slip roads are dangerously to short,the coldra roundabout is a lot safer now,with long slip roads on and off,get rid off the 50mph for the fast lane,on the st Julian's section at least,accidents have increased ten fold since the speed measures were implemented,ps hit the drivers hard who drive to slow,I was travelling behind someone who joined at the malpas intersection driving westbound doing the great speed off 30mph,I unable to pick up speed to join the munch faster and busier middle lane,there is no 50mph zone on that stretch
Give me your car details so I can stay well away from you !!!
[quote][p][bold]polly909[/bold] wrote: Look at the facts my friend,getting on and off the m4 through newport is a gamble,the slip roads are dangerously to short,the coldra roundabout is a lot safer now,with long slip roads on and off,get rid off the 50mph for the fast lane,on the st Julian's section at least,accidents have increased ten fold since the speed measures were implemented,ps hit the drivers hard who drive to slow,I was travelling behind someone who joined at the malpas intersection driving westbound doing the great speed off 30mph,I unable to pick up speed to join the munch faster and busier middle lane,there is no 50mph zone on that stretch[/p][/quote]Give me your car details so I can stay well away from you !!! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 7

7:30pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Dave on his Soapbox says...

.....was keeping the M4 closed for so long really necessary or was it designed to apply more pressure on everyone to get the new one agreed to ASAP?

Didn't the WAG fund new equipment for the police that was supposed to speed up accident investigation?
.....was keeping the M4 closed for so long really necessary or was it designed to apply more pressure on everyone to get the new one agreed to ASAP? Didn't the WAG fund new equipment for the police that was supposed to speed up accident investigation? Dave on his Soapbox
  • Score: 1

8:14pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

Dave on his Soapbox wrote:
.....was keeping the M4 closed for so long really necessary or was it designed to apply more pressure on everyone to get the new one agreed to ASAP?

Didn't the WAG fund new equipment for the police that was supposed to speed up accident investigation?
My son returning from Glamorgan school home to Newport, started out at 3:15pm and only returned home 6:30 pm, 3 HOURS stuck in the jams, what he hell are the police playing at holding up traffic that long ?
[quote][p][bold]Dave on his Soapbox[/bold] wrote: .....was keeping the M4 closed for so long really necessary or was it designed to apply more pressure on everyone to get the new one agreed to ASAP? Didn't the WAG fund new equipment for the police that was supposed to speed up accident investigation?[/p][/quote]My son returning from Glamorgan school home to Newport, started out at 3:15pm and only returned home 6:30 pm, 3 HOURS stuck in the jams, what he hell are the police playing at holding up traffic that long ? Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

11:00pm Wed 5 Feb 14

taffymark says...

pod05pod wrote:
taffymark wrote:
Air Ambulances to Cardiff and Swansea, why? A so called city called Newport with serious congestion problems and a Hospital that is 5 minutes away from the accident obviously cannot accommodate Air Ambulances or even maybe the injuries sustained in the accident, says it all really!
Because the Royal Gwent doesn’t have a Helipad for the air ambulance to land?!?!
If you read my comments you would note that I mentioned the helipad scenario! The point is, a city such as Newport in this case, does not have these facilities and given the amount of accidents on the Newport stretch of the M4 what would happen if all 57 passengers suffered the same sort of injuries that the driver and one passenger sustained badly enough to be flown to Cardiff and Swansea respectively. How many Air Ambulances do we have in South Wales to ferry a lot more similar injuries to Cardiff/Swansea and taking into account the "Golden Hour" if there was more need for Air Ambulances on that day I fear people would have died unnecessarily.
[quote][p][bold]pod05pod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]taffymark[/bold] wrote: Air Ambulances to Cardiff and Swansea, why? A so called city called Newport with serious congestion problems and a Hospital that is 5 minutes away from the accident obviously cannot accommodate Air Ambulances or even maybe the injuries sustained in the accident, says it all really![/p][/quote]Because the Royal Gwent doesn’t have a Helipad for the air ambulance to land?!?![/p][/quote]If you read my comments you would note that I mentioned the helipad scenario! The point is, a city such as Newport in this case, does not have these facilities and given the amount of accidents on the Newport stretch of the M4 what would happen if all 57 passengers suffered the same sort of injuries that the driver and one passenger sustained badly enough to be flown to Cardiff and Swansea respectively. How many Air Ambulances do we have in South Wales to ferry a lot more similar injuries to Cardiff/Swansea and taking into account the "Golden Hour" if there was more need for Air Ambulances on that day I fear people would have died unnecessarily. taffymark
  • Score: 0

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