LiveThreat to 650 jobs at Newport bakery firm

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  • AROUND 650 jobs are under threat at Rogerstone firm Avana Bakeries, it was revealed today.
  • Loss comes as firm loses Marks & Spencer contract
  • M&S business provided 85% of Avana Bakeries' work
  • Cake contract lost to firm in Oldham

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Rogerstone councillor has asked people to tweet Marks & Spencer to ask them to reconsider:

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The Federation of Small Businesses Wales expressed concerned for all workers and families affected by the threat to at the Avana Bakery.

FSB Wales Head of external Affairs Iestyn Davies said: “Hopefully the great majority of these jobs can be retained, as to lose such a large number of posts would be a significant blow to the economy of Newport.

“We know that the employment picture is improving in Wales with more small firms taking on staff, but we need to ensure that we hold onto larger firms, which provide important supply chain opportunities to a wider local business eco-system.

“We would urge the Welsh Government to work with companies of all sizes to ensure that they have a sustainable order book and are not overly reliant on a single contract, the loss of which could have huge repercussions for their business, as in this case.”

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Local businessmen also spoke of the devastating effect a closure could have on Rogerstone.
Andrew Cooksey, 61, from Great Oaks Park in Rogerstone, runs an autism consultancy. He said: “If a major employer like that closes then it has a retrograde effect on local businesses – small supermarkets, restaurants, traders. People haven’t got the money to spend, simple as that. I just hope these jobs can be saved. I don’t want to see anybody out of work – people with children, rent to pay and mortgages to pay.
It’s very sad, because Rogerstone is a vibrant area. Newport has struggled with jobs in the private sector and the bakery is a very important cog in the local economy. When you’re talking 500 or 600 jobs, it’s not rocket science. Take these kind of jobs out of the local economy and people are going to struggle.
“I have got friends that work there. I run a business, not on that scale, but I have got a question mark over any company that places 85 per cent of work with one supplier. If things go wrong with contracts and supply it’s a bit of a problem.”

Paul Williams has run The Bread Basket corner shop on The Uplands in Rogerstone for 25 years. He said: “There could be a lot of people out of work. It’s going to affect trade. People do come from Avana to buy sandwiches and things.”
Looking back at his years running the store, he said: “Business has gone up and down but it’s going down and down at the moment. This could make it quite quiet really.”

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John Griffiths Assembly Member for Newport East said the situation was “worrying.”
“I think it is a very worrying because it is a long established major employer.
“A lot of people have been working there a long time and are reliant on their jobs.
“The loss of the M &S contract is a major blow given the percentage of the overall work [with them.]
“I know a number of people who work there and they have been working there for quite some time.
“Their families are depending on their jobs.
“It is massively worrying.”

4:10pm

The Secretary of State for Wales David Jones said today's news caused "a great deal of concern to the workers, families and communities affected."

He added the Wales Office was in "close communication" with Avana Bakeries and said they were "confident" that all options to safeguard jobs will be explored during the consultation period.

He said he had spoken to Newport West MP Paul Flynn and have also spoken personally to the Director of Food Technology at M&S who has assured him that the decision to cease the contract was a purely commercial decision.

He finished by saying: "We are committed to working with Avana Bakeries and the Welsh Government to offer all the support we can at this difficult time.  Jobcentre Plus is also ready to support employees who may be affected by this announcement today."

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Newport Chamber of Trade president Alan Edwards said that the job losses were a "disaster" for the city.

He said: “We had the summit this week and that was looking at a bright future, but then you get these announcements that come along and it takes the shine off everything. It's obviously a disaster for the people who work there and their families”.

He added: “We need more jobs in the area not less.

“The job losses come quicker than the job gains - it is very worrying for Newport.”

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Angharad Davies, 24, works in stock control. She said: "We did see one woman actually crying. Both her and her husband work here. People are shocked really. When [the man giving the news] asked if anybody had any questions nobody knew what to say, there was just silence.

I think it was a surprise even for the managers.

My brother, my boyfriend and my mum all work here. There are a few families with brothers and cousins that work here. It won't just affect one person, it's all of us.

They said they're going to try and get more business. We just don't know, it's like being in limbo.

We knew straight away something was going on because they never have us all together like that."

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Ceri Hale, 43, from Foxhill in Rogerstone, has worked as a cake decorator with Avana for 10 years.

She said: "We didn't know there was anything going on. It was a big shock.

"They told us this morning. It's gutting, especially as a lot of families are here, husbands, wives or people earning the only source of income for their family.

"There's not a lot of work about. We've just got to keep smiling and keep hoping."

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Plaid AM Jocelyn Davies said: "It’s extremely worrying 650 workers are facing redundancy at the Avana Bakery.

"This is a devastating blow and my thoughts go out to those workers who are left uncertain about the security of their jobs.

"Today’s announcement is the result of the company losing one major contract, and this demonstrates the influence that supermarkets have over the food sector in Wales. 

"The Welsh Government and local council should do all they can to work with the company to minimise job losses."

2:00pm

Our reporter Jen Mills spoke to Ceiran Jenkins, 22, from Pontnewynydd, who has worked loading lorries for the company for a year.

He said: "They're trying to contact everyone to let them know the news.

"They read out the brief that was read out to everyone in the factory, saying our jobs were at risk and they were trying their very best.

"There have been rumours for a couple of months that we might lose the M&S contract. I thought something was coming.

"I probably will look for other jobs. As positive as you can stay, in situations like this you have got to be realistic. If our jobs are at risk we need to look at alternatives."

1:59pm

A Welsh Government spokeswoman said the government is working with 2 Sisters Food Group to "explore every option that could safeguard the jobs at Rogerstone".

"This is obviously a very worrying time for staff and their families," she said.

"We will also be ensuring that all staff are fully supported through this difficult period.

"The company has underlined its commitment to its staff and the Welsh Government will continue to work closely with senior management to investigate any new business and employment opportunities here."

1:54pm

Leader of Newport council, councillor Bob Bright has said he is "saddened and greatly concerned" by the news that up to 650 jobs are potentially under threat at Avana Bakeries in Rogerstone and that the site could also close.

"The company has had a major presence in the city for many years, providing hundreds of valuable jobs to local people," he said.

"The council has a variety of schemes and initiatives to support local employers, and it is hoped these can be utilised by the company as it seeks to secure new contracts for the site."

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A spokesman for Park Cakes said the cakes and desserts contract is being transferred to their Oldham factory where it employs about 500 staff.

He said they had worked with Marks & Spencer for “several years” and were “happy” that relationship will continue.

It has another factory in Bolton where it employs about 200 people, but where it does not manufacture any Marks & Spencer products.

Park Cakes is owned by Vision Capital, a private equity firm.

Vision Capital also owns Pork Farms, Fletcher Bakeries and BrightHouse, a rent-to-own company which has branches in Newport, Pontypool, Cwmbran, Blackwood and Caerphilly.

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12:36pm Fri 7 Feb 14

heresphil says

Terrrible news - I'd like to know where the contract has gone. Surely M&S can't send cakemaking offshore?

I hope there is a realistic possiblilty of alternative work very quickly.

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Richard Dawkins, 31, works as a packer with Avana. He said: "It's shocking. I have been here for ten years so it's a bit much to take in on a Friday morning. It's a bit unnerving. The worrying part is if this place closes, where am I going to go? It was very unexpected.

I know to most people it's only cake, but to everybody who works here it's a way of life."

12:52pm

A spokesman for Marks & Spencer confirmed that the contract Avana Bakeries had lost was going to Park Cakes of Oldham, Greater Manchester.

He added they had been working with Avana bakeries for 75 years, in which time they had produced birthday cakes, chilled dessserts, and a hundred other products.

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Debbie Mather, spokeswoman for Avana said that the firm put a bid in [for a contract] and weren't successful and lost it to a competitor.

She said it was "obviously a difficult day for everyone here" and that it was "all quite recent", but that they now need to focus on trying to replace that business and "focus on our people here".

She added: "There are 650 people here and the vast majority are at risk. Depending on the outcome of the consultation, there's a risk of site closure."

She said the consultation will last minimum of 45 days. We're talking with M&S about how they move that business elsewhere. That will take a while."

"85 per cent of business at the site came from Marks and Spencer, she added, "so it's a significant amount."

"We're looking for new business, talking to our people about alternative roles.

We'll explore every available option to avoid the threat of redundancy."

She said staff were today being informed of the risk of site closure.

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Stacey Morgan, 31, from Cwmfelinfach, has worked at the site for eight years icing cakes: "The mood isn't that bad - people are trying to stay positive. We were all gutted at first when we heard. They're going to try and generate more work for us. I'm hoping that they can."

Kelly Sims, 31, from Maesglas, said: "My sister has been here eight years and my brother-in-law has been here 20 years. They're both happy in their jobs so I'm quite gutted really. I know quite a few people here and I have never heard a bad word about it. A lot of people would be gutted if it closes, they really would."

Mo Bragg, from Nelson, has worked at the site for ten years in quality control. She said: "We're all trying to look positive and hope a miracle will happen.
They told us in a meeting at 10am that we'd lost the orders from M+S. We thought it was just going to be the Christmas orders but apparently we have lost all the orders. We're just gutted. To be honest, it was a lot to take in because it was such a shock."

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Paul Flynn MP for Newport West said he had been in touch with the bakery and losing this vital contract "has come as a bitter blow to them."

“The bakery has been an important part of the city and provided several hundred jobs in the area.

“I have visited the in the past and there are a large number of people working in that estate in Rogerstone.

“When I spoke to them this morning they weren’t in despair as they hope that they can build their contracts with others.

“They have a very valuable presence in the city, so it is a very heavy blow, but it is not the end of the road for them yet.

“I have been told around 15 percent of jobs remain secure even though the biggest part of the market has been affected.

“There are lots of skilled people who work there and it has been a hugely successful part of the Newport economy for a long time so it is a bitter blow.

“I just hope that we will be able to help them any way we can.”

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The site affected today is the Avana Bakeries site not the ready-meals site.

11:38am

A spokesperson for Marks & Spencer said: “As part of our work to further improve the quality of our food supply chain, we are consolidating some of our fresh desserts and cakes business and moving from two suppliers to one.

"It’s not a decision we’ve taken lightly and understand that it will have a significant impact for Avana Bakeries. We’ll do all we can to support the supplier through the process.”

11:35am

John James, Organising Regional Secretary for South Wales for the Bakers, Food and Allied Workers Union (BFAWU), said it represents about 500 workers at the Avana bakery.

He said: “The company is doing everything they can to secure future business. The workforce today was shocked when they were told. There’s an attitude of let’s all stick together, let’s secure more business to move forward.

“Marks & Spencer were asking for people to put in their business plan to secure the Christmas order, which they’ve normally done every year – so I suppose it was out of the blue that we lost the order. 

“It’s shocking, I’m absolutely gutted. I deal with these all the time. Over the last few years it’s been really hectic and it’s shocking for all concerned because their lives are going to be turned upside down. But we’ve got to keep positive.”

He said he knows where Marks & Spencer’s contract will be sent but was not able to say. 

The majority of the staff were told the news in the staff canteen at a meeting at 10am after managers and unions had been told at 9.30am.

Mr James said: “People who worked nights last night are going to wake up this morning or this afternoon and find out the information straight away.”

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Site of Avana Bakeries on Wern Trading Estate in Rogerstone:

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Dame Rosemary Butler, the Assembly Member for Newport West, was told the news this morning.
She said: “I have spoken to the senior managers. And this is just devastating for the people of Newport, devastating for the people who work there. It’s come out of the blue as far as I’m concerned.” 
She said it was a “long-standing, excellent employer” with a “fantastically loyal workforce.”

She added Marks and Spencer’s contract, which makes up 85 per cent of what the Avana bakery produces, is for the manufacture of cakes and desserts.

 

10:53am

The spokeswoman for Avana Bakeries added: "There is also a risk that the site could be closed and it is with much regret that we can confirm that following a strategic review with our customer M&S, the majority of employees at our Avana bakery site at Newport are now at risk of redundancy following the loss of our M&S business to a competitor.

"The work will now be transferred to the other company, therefore placing the majority of our 650-strong workforce at risk of redundancy.

"Clearly this is a huge setback to our cakes business and our operations in Wales, but we are determined to work hard to reverse the situation.

"As a matter of urgency, we are now making every effort to rebuild the business by seeking alternative customers and strategies which will minimise the impact of this contract loss.

"Our immediate priority now is to have meaningful discussions with our colleagues during a minimum 45-day consultation period to explore all available options before taking the next steps. We are hopeful that we can retain our cakes business in Newport."

10:51am

Rogerstone councillor Chris Evans said: "We’ve been working closely with our AM, Rosemary Butler, and, we’re in contact with management and staff, at this stage, my thoughts are with the employees and their families, who may lose their jobs, I would hope the Welsh Government will do all they can to mitigate the situation."

10:50am

A spokeswoman for Avana Bakeries said following the loss of a contract with Marks & Spencer business places "the majority of our 650-strong workforce at risk of redundancy".

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AROUND 650 jobs are under threat at Rogerstone firm Avana Bakeries, it was revealed today.

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11:11am Fri 7 Feb 14

Poolerkev says...

85% of the business was with M&S??? What a crazy situation that is, no wonder this has such a big impact. Good luck to those loyal staff who face such uncertainty at the moment. Hope this gets resolved very soon for them.
85% of the business was with M&S??? What a crazy situation that is, no wonder this has such a big impact. Good luck to those loyal staff who face such uncertainty at the moment. Hope this gets resolved very soon for them. Poolerkev
  • Score: 29

12:26pm Fri 7 Feb 14

john.hall1000 says...

Simple thing to do dont shop at m&s, hurt them by making their sales drop.
Simple thing to do dont shop at m&s, hurt them by making their sales drop. john.hall1000
  • Score: 14

12:36pm Fri 7 Feb 14

heresphil says...

Terrrible news - I'd like to know where the contract has gone. Surely M&S can't send cakemaking offshore?

I hope there is a realistic possiblilty of alternative work very quickly.
Terrrible news - I'd like to know where the contract has gone. Surely M&S can't send cakemaking offshore? I hope there is a realistic possiblilty of alternative work very quickly. heresphil
  • Score: 9

1:09pm Fri 7 Feb 14

DavidMclean says...

Poolerkev wrote:
85% of the business was with M&S??? What a crazy situation that is, no wonder this has such a big impact. Good luck to those loyal staff who face such uncertainty at the moment. Hope this gets resolved very soon for them.
To be fair to Avana, this was a long running contract, and they will only have so much capacity for extra contracts. However I appreciate your comment and 'all-your-eggs-in-on
e-basket' is a fair sentiment, but this is quite a unique situation and after 75 years must be a terrible shock for the company.

You have to feel for the employees.
[quote][p][bold]Poolerkev[/bold] wrote: 85% of the business was with M&S??? What a crazy situation that is, no wonder this has such a big impact. Good luck to those loyal staff who face such uncertainty at the moment. Hope this gets resolved very soon for them.[/p][/quote]To be fair to Avana, this was a long running contract, and they will only have so much capacity for extra contracts. However I appreciate your comment and 'all-your-eggs-in-on e-basket' is a fair sentiment, but this is quite a unique situation and after 75 years must be a terrible shock for the company. You have to feel for the employees. DavidMclean
  • Score: 22

1:51pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales

http://www.parkcake.
com/
The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales http://www.parkcake. com/ Bobevans
  • Score: 3

2:04pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

john.hall1000 wrote:
Simple thing to do dont shop at m&s, hurt them by making their sales drop.
Wonderful small-minded mentality. Is there any wonder companies switch elsewhere with such attitudes around in Newport? In case you hadn't noticed, the lack of customers in Newport has already forced M and S to move out of the city centre !!
[quote][p][bold]john.hall1000[/bold] wrote: Simple thing to do dont shop at m&s, hurt them by making their sales drop.[/p][/quote]Wonderful small-minded mentality. Is there any wonder companies switch elsewhere with such attitudes around in Newport? In case you hadn't noticed, the lack of customers in Newport has already forced M and S to move out of the city centre !! Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: -12

2:20pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

Bobevans wrote:
The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales http://www.parkcake. com/
What costs ? specify
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales http://www.parkcake. com/[/p][/quote]What costs ? specify Mr Angry
  • Score: 1

2:42pm Fri 7 Feb 14

john.hall1000 says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
john.hall1000 wrote:
Simple thing to do dont shop at m&s, hurt them by making their sales drop.
Wonderful small-minded mentality. Is there any wonder companies switch elsewhere with such attitudes around in Newport? In case you hadn't noticed, the lack of customers in Newport has already forced M and S to move out of the city centre !!
Thank god i don't live in newport then. The way m&s are going it will not belong before they move out of newport for good.
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]john.hall1000[/bold] wrote: Simple thing to do dont shop at m&s, hurt them by making their sales drop.[/p][/quote]Wonderful small-minded mentality. Is there any wonder companies switch elsewhere with such attitudes around in Newport? In case you hadn't noticed, the lack of customers in Newport has already forced M and S to move out of the city centre !![/p][/quote]Thank god i don't live in newport then. The way m&s are going it will not belong before they move out of newport for good. john.hall1000
  • Score: 5

3:12pm Fri 7 Feb 14

heresphil says...

Obviously the details of the contract are commercially confidential but I do not understand how costs can be lower in Greater Manchester that in South Wales.

I hope the decision was not based upon the deterrents of the bridge tolls or the inadequacies of the M4.
Obviously the details of the contract are commercially confidential but I do not understand how costs can be lower in Greater Manchester that in South Wales. I hope the decision was not based upon the deterrents of the bridge tolls or the inadequacies of the M4. heresphil
  • Score: 19

3:22pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Bobevans wrote: The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales http://www.parkcake. com/
What costs ? specify
WHAT COSTS???????- ANSWER
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales http://www.parkcake. com/[/p][/quote]What costs ? specify[/p][/quote]WHAT COSTS???????- ANSWER Mr Angry
  • Score: -8

3:57pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Gareth says...

Give it a rest mr angry ffs.
Give it a rest mr angry ffs. Gareth
  • Score: 10

4:45pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Magor says...

I work in Bristol and met one of my suppliers this week he told me things are booming in England and in South Wales its dead, nothing going on.He also said that firms are re-locating to England.Something wrong.
I work in Bristol and met one of my suppliers this week he told me things are booming in England and in South Wales its dead, nothing going on.He also said that firms are re-locating to England.Something wrong. Magor
  • Score: 14

4:52pm Fri 7 Feb 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Vote UKIP and Nigel will save your jobs !
Vote UKIP and Nigel will save your jobs ! BobEvams2014
  • Score: 1

5:01pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Magor says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
Vote UKIP and Nigel will save your jobs !
You have a good point Bob.Most suppliers to Supermarkets now employ migrant workers on low pay so this is what happens,they can undercut firms like Avana.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: Vote UKIP and Nigel will save your jobs ![/p][/quote]You have a good point Bob.Most suppliers to Supermarkets now employ migrant workers on low pay so this is what happens,they can undercut firms like Avana. Magor
  • Score: 11

5:13pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

Gareth wrote:
Give it a rest mr angry ffs.
Now hold on Bob Evans comes on here and makes some stupid sweepiing statement regarding high costs, I've challenged him to explain these costs, he won't, or more probably can't, do you think he should be allowed to make false statements unchallenged, and get away with it ?
[quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: Give it a rest mr angry ffs.[/p][/quote]Now hold on Bob Evans comes on here and makes some stupid sweepiing statement regarding high costs, I've challenged him to explain these costs, he won't, or more probably can't, do you think he should be allowed to make false statements unchallenged, and get away with it ? Mr Angry
  • Score: 2

5:23pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Gareth says...

This happens. Any business will want to reduce the costs in its supply chain. Sometimes an area wins. Sometimes it loses. I've changed my printer from one in oxford to one in gloucester. It's small fry in the scheme of things, but i have a duty of care to my business and staff, and not my suppliers. yes, the MP/AM is going to complain; its their job in front of their electorate - but the quicker we grow up and realise the world/govt doesn't actually owe us all a living, the better.
This happens. Any business will want to reduce the costs in its supply chain. Sometimes an area wins. Sometimes it loses. I've changed my printer from one in oxford to one in gloucester. It's small fry in the scheme of things, but i have a duty of care to my business and staff, and not my suppliers. yes, the MP/AM is going to complain; its their job in front of their electorate - but the quicker we grow up and realise the world/govt doesn't actually owe us all a living, the better. Gareth
  • Score: 5

5:30pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Gareth says...

I've read your posts over the years, Mr A, and i know you are intelligent enough to know that a single supplier makes the overall cost of the supply chain less than having two. It's bad news for avana, but not rocket science. It doesn't seem the right forum for u to pursue a personal battle with your foe, that's alle.. You know what i mean :-)
I've read your posts over the years, Mr A, and i know you are intelligent enough to know that a single supplier makes the overall cost of the supply chain less than having two. It's bad news for avana, but not rocket science. It doesn't seem the right forum for u to pursue a personal battle with your foe, that's alle.. You know what i mean :-) Gareth
  • Score: 5

5:50pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Magor says...

heresphil wrote:
Obviously the details of the contract are commercially confidential but I do not understand how costs can be lower in Greater Manchester that in South Wales.

I hope the decision was not based upon the deterrents of the bridge tolls or the inadequacies of the M4.
May be not this time,but it must be a deterrent for new job creation.WAG have got to sort out the bridge toll and the M4 ASAP.
[quote][p][bold]heresphil[/bold] wrote: Obviously the details of the contract are commercially confidential but I do not understand how costs can be lower in Greater Manchester that in South Wales. I hope the decision was not based upon the deterrents of the bridge tolls or the inadequacies of the M4.[/p][/quote]May be not this time,but it must be a deterrent for new job creation.WAG have got to sort out the bridge toll and the M4 ASAP. Magor
  • Score: 9

6:09pm Fri 7 Feb 14

digispamman says...

no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too.
no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too. digispamman
  • Score: -3

6:59pm Fri 7 Feb 14

gwentman64 says...

why dont they sell their cakes themselves ? why not continue producing them under their own name so they can be sold in tesco, asda etc they might do a roaring trade if they cost less than at m+s
why dont they sell their cakes themselves ? why not continue producing them under their own name so they can be sold in tesco, asda etc they might do a roaring trade if they cost less than at m+s gwentman64
  • Score: 14

6:59pm Fri 7 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

digispamman wrote:
no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too.
You beat me to it.

Yes - there may be 650 jobs lost but I expect more than 600 of them were only earning a pound an hour or so over what the'd get on benefits, working for agencies who do nothing but leech off employers and emplyees and offer nothing in terms of security or stability.
[quote][p][bold]digispamman[/bold] wrote: no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too.[/p][/quote]You beat me to it. Yes - there may be 650 jobs lost but I expect more than 600 of them were only earning a pound an hour or so over what the'd get on benefits, working for agencies who do nothing but leech off employers and emplyees and offer nothing in terms of security or stability. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -2

7:00pm Fri 7 Feb 14

thomas35 says...

Garments in Marks and Sparks at Spytty manaufactured in China ,India,Bangladesh,Tu
rkey , and Madagascar..(They also sell Cornish pasties).. .Globalisation, Multinational companies, Stockmarkets etc...they are the governments of today!!
Garments in Marks and Sparks at Spytty manaufactured in China ,India,Bangladesh,Tu rkey , and Madagascar..(They also sell Cornish pasties).. .Globalisation, Multinational companies, Stockmarkets etc...they are the governments of today!! thomas35
  • Score: 8

7:46pm Fri 7 Feb 14

digispamman says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
digispamman wrote:
no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too.
You beat me to it.

Yes - there may be 650 jobs lost but I expect more than 600 of them were only earning a pound an hour or so over what the'd get on benefits, working for agencies who do nothing but leech off employers and emplyees and offer nothing in terms of security or stability.
yeah, when i was a teenager they were known as "hire em, fire em". most of their jobs only lasting over the festive period.
they had a great reputation for treating youngsters like dirt.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]digispamman[/bold] wrote: no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too.[/p][/quote]You beat me to it. Yes - there may be 650 jobs lost but I expect more than 600 of them were only earning a pound an hour or so over what the'd get on benefits, working for agencies who do nothing but leech off employers and emplyees and offer nothing in terms of security or stability.[/p][/quote]yeah, when i was a teenager they were known as "hire em, fire em". most of their jobs only lasting over the festive period. they had a great reputation for treating youngsters like dirt. digispamman
  • Score: 9

7:51pm Fri 7 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

digispamman wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
digispamman wrote:
no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too.
You beat me to it.

Yes - there may be 650 jobs lost but I expect more than 600 of them were only earning a pound an hour or so over what the'd get on benefits, working for agencies who do nothing but leech off employers and emplyees and offer nothing in terms of security or stability.
yeah, when i was a teenager they were known as "hire em, fire em". most of their jobs only lasting over the festive period.
they had a great reputation for treating youngsters like dirt.
Indeed. It's inexcusable for companies to hire long term staff through employment agencies, who then take a considerable amount of the worker's value to the company in exchange for supplying workers who have less rights, and can be dropped for no reason with no notice.
[quote][p][bold]digispamman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]digispamman[/bold] wrote: no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too.[/p][/quote]You beat me to it. Yes - there may be 650 jobs lost but I expect more than 600 of them were only earning a pound an hour or so over what the'd get on benefits, working for agencies who do nothing but leech off employers and emplyees and offer nothing in terms of security or stability.[/p][/quote]yeah, when i was a teenager they were known as "hire em, fire em". most of their jobs only lasting over the festive period. they had a great reputation for treating youngsters like dirt.[/p][/quote]Indeed. It's inexcusable for companies to hire long term staff through employment agencies, who then take a considerable amount of the worker's value to the company in exchange for supplying workers who have less rights, and can be dropped for no reason with no notice. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 5

11:56am Sat 8 Feb 14

exglamorgan says...

Have Avana looked into delivering cakes directly to people's homes using couriers and some clever packaging? There are occasions to celebrate all year round and even more with our country's increasing multiculturism, and maybe occasions that haven't been thought up yet. There is also the possibility of sending cakes abroad .
Have Avana looked into delivering cakes directly to people's homes using couriers and some clever packaging? There are occasions to celebrate all year round and even more with our country's increasing multiculturism, and maybe occasions that haven't been thought up yet. There is also the possibility of sending cakes abroad . exglamorgan
  • Score: 3

12:59pm Sat 8 Feb 14

pbhj says...

Bobevans wrote:
The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales

http://www.parkcake.

com/
How are costs too high in Wales compared with Oldham?

Interestingly Park Cakes is owned by Vision Capital an equity investment firm whose interest in Park Cakes was apparently supposed to end in March 2013.

http://righttowork.o
rg.uk/2011/09/bakers
-union-to-ballot-at-
park-cakes/
http://www.bfawu.org
/view_news.php?ID=10
2 "Union attacks employer's attempt to introduce 'slave labour'"

Gives some very interesting background including that Park are an established Marks & Spencer supplier and that Park Cakes appear to be playing the system in order to ensure they can pay their staff the lowest possible wages and give them the lowest possible job security.

M&S can't off-shore cakes because of the nature of the product but it appears that M&S can put their lot in with those who want to work the system in order to pay workers the least amount possible by law (but still pay director's and shareholders more than amply of course).
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales http://www.parkcake. com/[/p][/quote]How are costs too high in Wales compared with Oldham? Interestingly Park Cakes is owned by Vision Capital an equity investment firm whose interest in Park Cakes was apparently supposed to end in March 2013. http://righttowork.o rg.uk/2011/09/bakers -union-to-ballot-at- park-cakes/ http://www.bfawu.org /view_news.php?ID=10 2 "Union attacks employer's attempt to introduce 'slave labour'" Gives some very interesting background including that Park are an established Marks & Spencer supplier and that Park Cakes appear to be playing the system in order to ensure they can pay their staff the lowest possible wages and give them the lowest possible job security. M&S can't off-shore cakes because of the nature of the product but it appears that M&S can put their lot in with those who want to work the system in order to pay workers the least amount possible by law (but still pay director's and shareholders more than amply of course). pbhj
  • Score: 6

4:52pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Jonnytrouble says...

Poolerkev wrote:
85% of the business was with M&S??? What a crazy situation that is, no wonder this has such a big impact. Good luck to those loyal staff who face such uncertainty at the moment. Hope this gets resolved very soon for them.
BAD MANAGEMENT once again almost like Alcan, the money those guys earn for mucking things up !
Who suffers the most ????
The low paid workers suffer !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Poolerkev[/bold] wrote: 85% of the business was with M&S??? What a crazy situation that is, no wonder this has such a big impact. Good luck to those loyal staff who face such uncertainty at the moment. Hope this gets resolved very soon for them.[/p][/quote]BAD MANAGEMENT once again almost like Alcan, the money those guys earn for mucking things up ! Who suffers the most ???? The low paid workers suffer !!!! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 4

2:37pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

pbhj wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales

http://www.parkcake.


com/
How are costs too high in Wales compared with Oldham?

Interestingly Park Cakes is owned by Vision Capital an equity investment firm whose interest in Park Cakes was apparently supposed to end in March 2013.

http://righttowork.o

rg.uk/2011/09/bakers

-union-to-ballot-at-

park-cakes/
http://www.bfawu.org

/view_news.php?ID=10

2 "Union attacks employer's attempt to introduce 'slave labour'"

Gives some very interesting background including that Park are an established Marks & Spencer supplier and that Park Cakes appear to be playing the system in order to ensure they can pay their staff the lowest possible wages and give them the lowest possible job security.

M&S can't off-shore cakes because of the nature of the product but it appears that M&S can put their lot in with those who want to work the system in order to pay workers the least amount possible by law (but still pay director's and shareholders more than amply of course).
Please dont query or challenge Bob Evans regarding costs , he tells lies so expect a reply, he just multi posts to mark anti Bob comments dowm
[quote][p][bold]pbhj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales http://www.parkcake. com/[/p][/quote]How are costs too high in Wales compared with Oldham? Interestingly Park Cakes is owned by Vision Capital an equity investment firm whose interest in Park Cakes was apparently supposed to end in March 2013. http://righttowork.o rg.uk/2011/09/bakers -union-to-ballot-at- park-cakes/ http://www.bfawu.org /view_news.php?ID=10 2 "Union attacks employer's attempt to introduce 'slave labour'" Gives some very interesting background including that Park are an established Marks & Spencer supplier and that Park Cakes appear to be playing the system in order to ensure they can pay their staff the lowest possible wages and give them the lowest possible job security. M&S can't off-shore cakes because of the nature of the product but it appears that M&S can put their lot in with those who want to work the system in order to pay workers the least amount possible by law (but still pay director's and shareholders more than amply of course).[/p][/quote]Please dont query or challenge Bob Evans regarding costs , he tells lies so expect a reply, he just multi posts to mark anti Bob comments dowm Mr Angry
  • Score: -2

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