Newport has second highest rate of empty shops in UK

South Wales Argus: Newport has second highest rate of empty shops in UK Newport has second highest rate of empty shops in UK

NEWPORT has the second highest vacancy rate of all city and town centres in the UK, according to a report published yesterday.

The city has the highest vacancy rate of all the “large centres”– those with 400 or more premises– with 28.9 per cent of shops unoccupied, an increase of 1.6 per cent from the same time last year.

The Local Data Company’s latest report on vacancy rates entitled ‘Divide and Rule’ analyses more than 2,100 town and city centres, shopping centres and retail parks visited in 2013.

The report analyses both shop and leisure vacancy rates in 2013 to deliver “the most comprehensive insight on the health of Britain’s towns, retail parks and shopping centres”.

Shop vacancy rates have shown marked improvement towards the end of the year from their peak of 14.6 per cent in February 2012 to reaching below 14 per cent in December 2013 for the first time since July 2010.

The report also states that Wales has the highest national vacancy rate in the UK at 15.7 per cent.

Elgan Morgan, from the South Wales Chamber of Commerce, said: “The decline in retail in Newport has been on-going for several years with competition from Cardiff, Cwmbran and across the bridge, Cribbs Causeway. Newport needs to create a retail strategy that complements the retail mix already available in the area.

“Work also needs to be undertaken to create a customer base for Newport’s shops by increasing the number of people living in the city centre and the number non-retail workplaces.”

In response to the latest report, a spokeswoman for Newport council said: “Newport, especially the city centre, has suffered particularly badly as a result of the recession but is now on the brink of a renaissance.

“These figures were probably collected last year before the demolition of many vacant retail units in the John Frost Square area ahead of the new Friars Walk development.

“A number of major businesses, including Debenhams, Next, Topshop, Cineworld and well-known restaurants, have signalled their confidence in the scheme by signing up for units with more expected to follow.

“The major refurbishment of Newport Market and the opening of the new bus terminus in Upper Dock Street are already generating more footfall in that area.

“However, although improving the retail and leisure offering is important, we believe the revitalisation of the city centre also depends on other factors.

“That is why we were delighted to be awarded our full bid of £14.88 million from the Welsh Government’s vibrant and viable places regeneration programme. This will be used to help transform city centre buildings into new homes and businesses.

“We also hope other companies will follow the lead of Admiral, the leading insurance business, by establishing offices in the city centre. Admiral is due to relocate to the redeveloped Cambrian Centre later this year.”

Last month, the Capitol car park was demolished to clear the city centre and make it ready for the £90 million Friars Walk shopping and leisure development.

In September last year, a Dragons Den-style consultation was held by reNewport asking people to give the taskforce ideas on how the city could be improved.

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11:49am Tue 11 Feb 14

sperduti says...

well theres a surprise!!!!

it isnt only empty shops its the empty nightclubs that are looking terrible , the one on stow hill is a disgrace and the council should contact owners to get the ones that are sleeping rough there and dumping all there rubbish , it is illegal to dump rubbish !!! i dont know what visitors to the solictors that is next door well on corner of waters lane must think , its just horrendous and needs to be cleaned up !!
well theres a surprise!!!! it isnt only empty shops its the empty nightclubs that are looking terrible , the one on stow hill is a disgrace and the council should contact owners to get the ones that are sleeping rough there and dumping all there rubbish , it is illegal to dump rubbish !!! i dont know what visitors to the solictors that is next door well on corner of waters lane must think , its just horrendous and needs to be cleaned up !! sperduti

12:01pm Tue 11 Feb 14

BobEvams2014 says...

I was in Cardiff and Bristol recently, and there were empty shops in both Cities, however they were a much higher class of empty shop than the Newport ones .......
I was in Cardiff and Bristol recently, and there were empty shops in both Cities, however they were a much higher class of empty shop than the Newport ones ....... BobEvams2014

12:05pm Tue 11 Feb 14

ncfcr says...

Finding tenants for commercial properties in the UK has got to be one of the easiest tasks on planet Earth.

Financial analysts are predicting between 8-12% growth for the commercial property sector each and every year for the next three years; how difficult can it be to find someone willing to buy/rent these places in the current climate? I'd give it a go for £50k per annum if anybody at the council wants to get in touch.
Finding tenants for commercial properties in the UK has got to be one of the easiest tasks on planet Earth. Financial analysts are predicting between 8-12% growth for the commercial property sector each and every year for the next three years; how difficult can it be to find someone willing to buy/rent these places in the current climate? I'd give it a go for £50k per annum if anybody at the council wants to get in touch. ncfcr

12:14pm Tue 11 Feb 14

KarloMarko says...

'In response to the latest report, a
spokeswoman for Newport council
said: “Newport, especially the city
centre, has suffered particularly
badly as a result of the recession
but is now on the brink of a
renaissance."

The drugs DO work!

Always read the label.
'In response to the latest report, a spokeswoman for Newport council said: “Newport, especially the city centre, has suffered particularly badly as a result of the recession but is now on the brink of a renaissance." The drugs DO work! Always read the label. KarloMarko

1:05pm Tue 11 Feb 14

sperduti says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
I was in Cardiff and Bristol recently, and there were empty shops in both Cities, however they were a much higher class of empty shop than the Newport ones .......
but Cardiff and Bristol still have lovely shops plus plenty of cafes resturants to choose from to eat making it all lovely day out !! always enjoy going to Cardiff and Bristol and Cwmbran!!
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: I was in Cardiff and Bristol recently, and there were empty shops in both Cities, however they were a much higher class of empty shop than the Newport ones .......[/p][/quote]but Cardiff and Bristol still have lovely shops plus plenty of cafes resturants to choose from to eat making it all lovely day out !! always enjoy going to Cardiff and Bristol and Cwmbran!! sperduti

1:24pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Jack Land says...

nobody is going to choose newport whilst cwmbran exists
nobody is going to choose newport whilst cwmbran exists Jack Land

1:51pm Tue 11 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Newport's shop problem is, and always will be, the supermarkets. The planning authorities have granted planning permission to all the major chains who have then proceeded to build in tactical locations, in an almost unbroken ring between the centre and any large population area, that serves as a barrier to people coming to the centre to shop.

You can't really compare Newport to Cardiff or Bristol - these are large cities, whereas Newport only has pretensions at being one. And Cwmbran has large supermarkets too but they're all centrally located with all the other shops.

What's the biggest draw at Spytty? Tesco. Nuff said.
Newport's shop problem is, and always will be, the supermarkets. The planning authorities have granted planning permission to all the major chains who have then proceeded to build in tactical locations, in an almost unbroken ring between the centre and any large population area, that serves as a barrier to people coming to the centre to shop. You can't really compare Newport to Cardiff or Bristol - these are large cities, whereas Newport only has pretensions at being one. And Cwmbran has large supermarkets too but they're all centrally located with all the other shops. What's the biggest draw at Spytty? Tesco. Nuff said. GardenVarietyMushroom

2:59pm Tue 11 Feb 14

jcoley says...

People need to be able to use their cars, you can't go for a big shop and be expected to lug it all back home on foot or on the bus.

Just make the parking free (look at Cwmbran) and you'll see the shops fill up.
People need to be able to use their cars, you can't go for a big shop and be expected to lug it all back home on foot or on the bus. Just make the parking free (look at Cwmbran) and you'll see the shops fill up. jcoley

3:03pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Mr Bump. says...

If Newport s 2nd who is first? How many more shops do we need to shut to get to the dizzy heights of number in the UK? C'mon Argus sloppy journalism, you've only given us half the story. We can be first at something.
If Newport s 2nd who is first? How many more shops do we need to shut to get to the dizzy heights of number in the UK? C'mon Argus sloppy journalism, you've only given us half the story. We can be first at something. Mr Bump.

3:04pm Tue 11 Feb 14

lynny 1 says...

so if we're second highest, whose top ?????
so if we're second highest, whose top ????? lynny 1

3:25pm Tue 11 Feb 14

MooseCraftsman says...

Speaking as someone who used to frequent Newport regularly for the shops and night-life a few years back this is very sad to see. Having popped into town two weeks ago I saw for all the closures for myself.

With all the big names moving out of town and the valley train line completely bypassing Newport it's inevitable that people will stay away.

The cost of a train ticket from Crosskeys to Cardiff is not much different to a bus ticket to Newport. As sad as it is to see what's happening to Newport, you can't blame people for choosing to head to Cardiff for a night out or for a day at the shops.

There is a train line running into Newport from the valleys. Is there plans for this to made use of? Get this up and running and maybe follow Cwmbran's lead with the free parking and people will surely come back.

I'm sure there's more to it than this but has to be a factor.
Speaking as someone who used to frequent Newport regularly for the shops and night-life a few years back this is very sad to see. Having popped into town two weeks ago I saw for all the closures for myself. With all the big names moving out of town and the valley train line completely bypassing Newport it's inevitable that people will stay away. The cost of a train ticket from Crosskeys to Cardiff is not much different to a bus ticket to Newport. As sad as it is to see what's happening to Newport, you can't blame people for choosing to head to Cardiff for a night out or for a day at the shops. There is a train line running into Newport from the valleys. Is there plans for this to made use of? Get this up and running and maybe follow Cwmbran's lead with the free parking and people will surely come back. I'm sure there's more to it than this but has to be a factor. MooseCraftsman

3:36pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Port0214 says...

What a disappointment, the fattest child the biggest poundstore just missed the hat trick, oh well perhaps the biggest empty shopping centre for the treble.
What a disappointment, the fattest child the biggest poundstore just missed the hat trick, oh well perhaps the biggest empty shopping centre for the treble. Port0214

3:44pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Port0214 says...

ncfcr wrote:
Finding tenants for commercial properties in the UK has got to be one of the easiest tasks on planet Earth.

Financial analysts are predicting between 8-12% growth for the commercial property sector each and every year for the next three years; how difficult can it be to find someone willing to buy/rent these places in the current climate? I'd give it a go for £50k per annum if anybody at the council wants to get in touch.
I suspect plenty of people from have looked at opening in Newport over the years, good road/ rail links good location then they have visited the city and that would have been the end of it.

The potential clientele, the tired dreariness poor per capita income the list is endless, name me another city along the M4 corridor that has failed so miserably, such a shame we had it all once.
[quote][p][bold]ncfcr[/bold] wrote: Finding tenants for commercial properties in the UK has got to be one of the easiest tasks on planet Earth. Financial analysts are predicting between 8-12% growth for the commercial property sector each and every year for the next three years; how difficult can it be to find someone willing to buy/rent these places in the current climate? I'd give it a go for £50k per annum if anybody at the council wants to get in touch.[/p][/quote]I suspect plenty of people from have looked at opening in Newport over the years, good road/ rail links good location then they have visited the city and that would have been the end of it. The potential clientele, the tired dreariness poor per capita income the list is endless, name me another city along the M4 corridor that has failed so miserably, such a shame we had it all once. Port0214

4:26pm Tue 11 Feb 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

Oh well I never thought that I would say this about the town that I I grew up in, but recently I have been frequently walking into town and back and I have to admit the place is an absolute dump. I don't think that it can be discribed in any other way.

I was walking from george street bridge back towards maindee and I was just disgusted at the rubish laying about not that much on the streets but in peoples gardens and in some on the main road by the hairdressers it's upto the level of the wall. The weeds growing on the pavements, the paint flaking off everything, the grimy grotty looking commercial and residential properties. The brige itself looking so tired it looks like it's about to crumble and by the looks of the cracks in the stairs by the student accomodation I don't think that it's that far away.

To be perfectly honest I don't think that we can blame the council for everything but we have to blame them for not enforcing some laws to look after empties buildings. I think that the council is probably looking at the state of the place and thinks that if the public can't be bother why should we and the public are looking at the council and saying they can't be bothered so I can't be either.

Some drastic actions need to be taken to make the centre of town and the imediate surrounding areas alot more tidy. Why not put the unemployed (which unfortunatly applies to me at the moment) and make us do a few days unpaid work by tidying up the place. It wouldn't be down to the council to have to dish out notices of littering because if I'd have tidied up and see someone drop litter i'd have to say something. It will then have a knock on effect and we'll look after the place alot more. I know there are a vast majority that take pride in their houses etc, but it's those that just couldn't give a **** thats bringing us down and it's probably those that are sponging off the social, and the hundreds that are applying for jobs just for the sake of it because the job centre tells them too because a job is a job, which means my application and cv just becomes one of a hundred that they can't be bothered to look at.

We have to all pull together stop blaming one another and make a difference, first things first is to vote in council members that are completly independent, unbiased and do actually care about the town and making a difference and doing what ever it takes to achieve it.
Oh well I never thought that I would say this about the town that I I grew up in, but recently I have been frequently walking into town and back and I have to admit the place is an absolute dump. I don't think that it can be discribed in any other way. I was walking from george street bridge back towards maindee and I was just disgusted at the rubish laying about not that much on the streets but in peoples gardens and in some on the main road by the hairdressers it's upto the level of the wall. The weeds growing on the pavements, the paint flaking off everything, the grimy grotty looking commercial and residential properties. The brige itself looking so tired it looks like it's about to crumble and by the looks of the cracks in the stairs by the student accomodation I don't think that it's that far away. To be perfectly honest I don't think that we can blame the council for everything but we have to blame them for not enforcing some laws to look after empties buildings. I think that the council is probably looking at the state of the place and thinks that if the public can't be bother why should we and the public are looking at the council and saying they can't be bothered so I can't be either. Some drastic actions need to be taken to make the centre of town and the imediate surrounding areas alot more tidy. Why not put the unemployed (which unfortunatly applies to me at the moment) and make us do a few days unpaid work by tidying up the place. It wouldn't be down to the council to have to dish out notices of littering because if I'd have tidied up and see someone drop litter i'd have to say something. It will then have a knock on effect and we'll look after the place alot more. I know there are a vast majority that take pride in their houses etc, but it's those that just couldn't give a **** thats bringing us down and it's probably those that are sponging off the social, and the hundreds that are applying for jobs just for the sake of it because the job centre tells them too because a job is a job, which means my application and cv just becomes one of a hundred that they can't be bothered to look at. We have to all pull together stop blaming one another and make a difference, first things first is to vote in council members that are completly independent, unbiased and do actually care about the town and making a difference and doing what ever it takes to achieve it. grumpyandopinionated

5:34pm Tue 11 Feb 14

zooport37 says...

are you reading this 'Welsh Assembly' instead of looking after your mates around Cardiff and the Vale of Glamorgan, how about giving more to the areas that really need the investment. It is amazing on how many projects are awarded to Cardiff. Surely distributing investments around wales would boost the economy in all areas.
are you reading this 'Welsh Assembly' instead of looking after your mates around Cardiff and the Vale of Glamorgan, how about giving more to the areas that really need the investment. It is amazing on how many projects are awarded to Cardiff. Surely distributing investments around wales would boost the economy in all areas. zooport37

6:26pm Tue 11 Feb 14

cantbelieveitsnotbetter says...

Jack Land wrote:
nobody is going to choose newport whilst cwmbran exists
are you proposing some sort of town murder? :) 'it may not be tomorrow, it may not be next year, but soon, cwmbran sleeps with the fishes' sod it, im in!
[quote][p][bold]Jack Land[/bold] wrote: nobody is going to choose newport whilst cwmbran exists[/p][/quote]are you proposing some sort of town murder? :) 'it may not be tomorrow, it may not be next year, but soon, cwmbran sleeps with the fishes' sod it, im in! cantbelieveitsnotbetter

6:42pm Tue 11 Feb 14

KEDIZ1 says...

Nottingham has the most empty shops,i don,t go there either.KEV
Nottingham has the most empty shops,i don,t go there either.KEV KEDIZ1

6:48pm Tue 11 Feb 14

cantbelieveitsnotbetter says...

I think that Newport was punching above its weight for a while (late 90's to mid naughties) and well done, city status, renowned music scene, and for me a young, energetic and ambitious feel to it (rose tinted glasses I know) but then the world went a bit mad, and any ' spare' money to see the potential reached got divertwd into everlasting wars and propping up dodgy banks. While the likes of Cardiff and Bristol already had a foot hold, they and the like got through, especially as in such times, businesses looking to start up, expand and/or invest pooled together and abviously chose the safer city options. But my little point is this, its hard when we're in it, getting done over, by big business et al, but the only way is up, dare I say, and businesses and their politician friends will eventually invest in newport, because of the profits, varied and abundant workforce- the growth figures will pick up and businesses, jobs image etc will improve. low paid jobs probably but ask many out of work and they'd snap your arm off as its start upward.
still need to vote un more independents, remember these bad times people when voting day dawns.
I think that Newport was punching above its weight for a while (late 90's to mid naughties) and well done, city status, renowned music scene, and for me a young, energetic and ambitious feel to it (rose tinted glasses I know) but then the world went a bit mad, and any ' spare' money to see the potential reached got divertwd into everlasting wars and propping up dodgy banks. While the likes of Cardiff and Bristol already had a foot hold, they and the like got through, especially as in such times, businesses looking to start up, expand and/or invest pooled together and abviously chose the safer city options. But my little point is this, its hard when we're in it, getting done over, by big business et al, but the only way is up, dare I say, and businesses and their politician friends will eventually invest in newport, because of the profits, varied and abundant workforce- the growth figures will pick up and businesses, jobs image etc will improve. low paid jobs probably but ask many out of work and they'd snap your arm off as its start upward. still need to vote un more independents, remember these bad times people when voting day dawns. cantbelieveitsnotbetter

7:03pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Paul F. McCourt says...

Greetings People of Newport,
I am writing to you from Turangi, New Zealand, and recently, via Remote Viewing, I did a Tour of your once Proud City, and was shocked to see how much like Turangi it is. Like Turangi, you have an awful lot of Vacant Shops, and parts of the city resemble Bomb Sites or Building Sites.
WHAT has happened? WHY so many vacant lots? Newport should be a thriving City. My friends there are very Proud of their city, but, I am very sure, even they are hurt by the many closed and vacant shops there.
Having a look around your Northern Suburbs, I was very surprised to see a HUGE Car Park and an even BIGGER Building. Closer inspection revealed it was a Gigantic SAINSBURY'S Super market. I thought it was a Factory! Maybe this is why most of your shops are closed.
We have a large New World Supermarket in our town. It is way out of the way from the rest of the shopping centre, but everyone goes there. Even ME! Some of you may have even visited Turangi recently, so you know what I mean. There are many vacant shops here, and some of them have been taken over by Real Estate Agencies, which is very ironic. There are more real Estate Agencies here than there are actual SHOPS.
Something needs to be done in both of our Towns.
We have no work here, and I myself am unemployed, apart from being an Observer. Newport's biggest Bakery is losing 680 Workers WOW! THATS ALOT of people losing their jobs. HALF of our town! It sounds like Newport's going down the dunny, and taking its people with it. That's BAD!!
BOTH of our Towns need a Life Line to boost their Production and lift their spirits (NOT that religious crap!!!). My New Friends in Newport are going to have a very exciting year this year and they will be putting Newport on the World Map. They will be bringing some National Pride to Wales, and some Great Pride to me. Without saying, I think you, too, know who they are.
Wishing the People of Newport a Very Happy, SAFE and Prosperous New Year! Sorry this Wish is a little late, but, I hope now its cast, things will start getting better for you all.
Oh! And PLEASE STOP killing each other! Don't you know WALING is ILLEGAL!
Take good care and Be Safe!
Greetings People of Newport, I am writing to you from Turangi, New Zealand, and recently, via Remote Viewing, I did a Tour of your once Proud City, and was shocked to see how much like Turangi it is. Like Turangi, you have an awful lot of Vacant Shops, and parts of the city resemble Bomb Sites or Building Sites. WHAT has happened? WHY so many vacant lots? Newport should be a thriving City. My friends there are very Proud of their city, but, I am very sure, even they are hurt by the many closed and vacant shops there. Having a look around your Northern Suburbs, I was very surprised to see a HUGE Car Park and an even BIGGER Building. Closer inspection revealed it was a Gigantic SAINSBURY'S Super market. I thought it was a Factory! Maybe this is why most of your shops are closed. We have a large New World Supermarket in our town. It is way out of the way from the rest of the shopping centre, but everyone goes there. Even ME! Some of you may have even visited Turangi recently, so you know what I mean. There are many vacant shops here, and some of them have been taken over by Real Estate Agencies, which is very ironic. There are more real Estate Agencies here than there are actual SHOPS. Something needs to be done in both of our Towns. We have no work here, and I myself am unemployed, apart from being an Observer. Newport's biggest Bakery is losing 680 Workers WOW! THATS ALOT of people losing their jobs. HALF of our town! It sounds like Newport's going down the dunny, and taking its people with it. That's BAD!! BOTH of our Towns need a Life Line to boost their Production and lift their spirits (NOT that religious crap!!!). My New Friends in Newport are going to have a very exciting year this year and they will be putting Newport on the World Map. They will be bringing some National Pride to Wales, and some Great Pride to me. Without saying, I think you, too, know who they are. Wishing the People of Newport a Very Happy, SAFE and Prosperous New Year! Sorry this Wish is a little late, but, I hope now its cast, things will start getting better for you all. Oh! And PLEASE STOP killing each other! Don't you know WALING is ILLEGAL! Take good care and Be Safe! Paul F. McCourt

7:40pm Tue 11 Feb 14

pbhj says...

ncfcr wrote:
Finding tenants for commercial properties in the UK has got to be one of the easiest tasks on planet Earth.

Financial analysts are predicting between 8-12% growth for the commercial property sector each and every year for the next three years; how difficult can it be to find someone willing to buy/rent these places in the current climate? I'd give it a go for £50k per annum if anybody at the council wants to get in touch.
Wallis is on the market at £76k PA.¹

I think you're dreaming. Who's going to risk annual rents of >£70k say on a place on Newport high street - you need a high ticket business or massive throughput to meet rent (never mind pay staff, pay loan costs, utilities, rates, etc.). There's not enough money in Newport, nor enough people. If you've got a niche business then Cardiff and Bristol have better prospects with more affluence and higher populations. If it's not niche then you're battling with established businesses, chains and supermarkets.

As the background to that you've got the fact that most commercial property owners don't need to rent all their locations - they don't want to depress prices (>£35k rent PA for small shops in Newport, seriously!) and - as you note - they're making enough as a sector not to bother. Beyond compulsory purchase orders I don't see how a council can combat that. Either new businesses come in and stump up the money or the places stay empty. I don't think the council should be lining the pockets of rich commercial property owners - the prices need to come back to a reasonable level to make Newport's original centre viable.

The new centre at Spytty however is doing well - but there's "no room" there for local businesses and the profits that get pulled in there find their way instead to owners and shareholders that are predominantly a million miles from Newport.

1 - http://www.shopprope
rty.co.uk/shops/Newp
ort
[quote][p][bold]ncfcr[/bold] wrote: Finding tenants for commercial properties in the UK has got to be one of the easiest tasks on planet Earth. Financial analysts are predicting between 8-12% growth for the commercial property sector each and every year for the next three years; how difficult can it be to find someone willing to buy/rent these places in the current climate? I'd give it a go for £50k per annum if anybody at the council wants to get in touch.[/p][/quote]Wallis [small shop next to Boots] is on the market at £76k PA.¹ I think you're dreaming. Who's going to risk annual rents of >£70k say on a place on Newport high street - you need a high ticket business or massive throughput to meet rent (never mind pay staff, pay loan costs, utilities, rates, etc.). There's not enough money in Newport, nor enough people. If you've got a niche business then Cardiff and Bristol have better prospects with more affluence and higher populations. If it's not niche then you're battling with established businesses, chains and supermarkets. As the background to that you've got the fact that most commercial property owners don't need to rent all their locations - they don't want to depress prices (>£35k rent PA for small shops in Newport, seriously!) and - as you note - they're making enough as a sector not to bother. Beyond compulsory purchase orders I don't see how a council can combat that. Either new businesses come in and stump up the money or the places stay empty. I don't think the council should be lining the pockets of rich commercial property owners - the prices need to come back to a reasonable level to make Newport's original centre viable. The new centre at Spytty however is doing well - but there's "no room" there for local businesses and the profits that get pulled in there find their way instead to owners and shareholders that are predominantly a million miles from Newport. 1 - http://www.shopprope rty.co.uk/shops/Newp ort pbhj

7:54pm Tue 11 Feb 14

KarloMarko says...

At this point the assembled chorus whisper, "Debenhams, Debenhams Semper Debenhams"...."Our saviour which art in High Street, show yourself to the true believers".

But all that cargo cultishness now seems so very quiet? And where is Mikey Sheen and his balsa cross?

O why hast thou forsaken us in the wilderness...
At this point the assembled chorus whisper, "Debenhams, Debenhams Semper Debenhams"...."Our saviour which art in High Street, show yourself to the true believers". But all that cargo cultishness now seems so very quiet? And where is Mikey Sheen and his balsa cross? O why hast thou forsaken us in the wilderness... KarloMarko

7:56pm Tue 11 Feb 14

helper7 says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Newport's shop problem is, and always will be, the supermarkets. The planning authorities have granted planning permission to all the major chains who have then proceeded to build in tactical locations, in an almost unbroken ring between the centre and any large population area, that serves as a barrier to people coming to the centre to shop.

You can't really compare Newport to Cardiff or Bristol - these are large cities, whereas Newport only has pretensions at being one. And Cwmbran has large supermarkets too but they're all centrally located with all the other shops.

What's the biggest draw at Spytty? Tesco. Nuff said.
Spot on Garden, and these huge companies often pay little tax compared to smaller traders who cant compete.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Newport's shop problem is, and always will be, the supermarkets. The planning authorities have granted planning permission to all the major chains who have then proceeded to build in tactical locations, in an almost unbroken ring between the centre and any large population area, that serves as a barrier to people coming to the centre to shop. You can't really compare Newport to Cardiff or Bristol - these are large cities, whereas Newport only has pretensions at being one. And Cwmbran has large supermarkets too but they're all centrally located with all the other shops. What's the biggest draw at Spytty? Tesco. Nuff said.[/p][/quote]Spot on Garden, and these huge companies often pay little tax compared to smaller traders who cant compete. helper7

8:01pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

ncfcr wrote:
Finding tenants for commercial properties in the UK has got to be one of the easiest tasks on planet Earth.

Financial analysts are predicting between 8-12% growth for the commercial property sector each and every year for the next three years; how difficult can it be to find someone willing to buy/rent these places in the current climate? I'd give it a go for £50k per annum if anybody at the council wants to get in touch.
Newport council do not own the empty shops hence do not set rents. They also do not set business rates, that is done by government.
[quote][p][bold]ncfcr[/bold] wrote: Finding tenants for commercial properties in the UK has got to be one of the easiest tasks on planet Earth. Financial analysts are predicting between 8-12% growth for the commercial property sector each and every year for the next three years; how difficult can it be to find someone willing to buy/rent these places in the current climate? I'd give it a go for £50k per annum if anybody at the council wants to get in touch.[/p][/quote]Newport council do not own the empty shops hence do not set rents. They also do not set business rates, that is done by government. Thomas O'Malley

8:10pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

Jack Land wrote:
nobody is going to choose newport whilst cwmbran exists
Well, until the last few years Cwmbran shopping centre was pretty limited choice (arguably still is) and even with parking and covered pavements was very much secondary to Newport for very many years. Theres an increasing number of empty shops in Cwmbran since Spytty has been built and now theres easier access supermarkets than the Cwmbran anchor store (Asda). These things go in cycles but regenerating a town centre like Newport involves a lot more than shops ie non retail business, residential, bars, cafes, restaurants, leisure and most importantly big employers like Admiral to drive demand.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Land[/bold] wrote: nobody is going to choose newport whilst cwmbran exists[/p][/quote]Well, until the last few years Cwmbran shopping centre was pretty limited choice (arguably still is) and even with parking and covered pavements was very much secondary to Newport for very many years. Theres an increasing number of empty shops in Cwmbran since Spytty has been built and now theres easier access supermarkets than the Cwmbran anchor store (Asda). These things go in cycles but regenerating a town centre like Newport involves a lot more than shops ie non retail business, residential, bars, cafes, restaurants, leisure and most importantly big employers like Admiral to drive demand. Thomas O'Malley

9:21pm Tue 11 Feb 14

welshmen says...

For all the Damage the supermarkets have done to the Local retailers the Council might as well turn the City centre in to a 90% Residential property zone, 10% for retail, pubs, clubs....local retailers can't complete with the Supermarkets, Leominster is a typical country town that had all local outlets, over the years the supermarkets have moved in, the local retailers have closed, not all but enough to make a big deference to the shopping trip....Planners have to take some of the blame the Council the rest....
For all the Damage the supermarkets have done to the Local retailers the Council might as well turn the City centre in to a 90% Residential property zone, 10% for retail, pubs, clubs....local retailers can't complete with the Supermarkets, Leominster is a typical country town that had all local outlets, over the years the supermarkets have moved in, the local retailers have closed, not all but enough to make a big deference to the shopping trip....Planners have to take some of the blame the Council the rest.... welshmen

9:54pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Rattler2399 says...

How to have a town of empty shops??? Easy
1 Build ringroad (distributor road) around town so everybody can bypass Newport
2 Let Supermarkets locate close to residential areas
3 Charge exhorbitant bus faresy
4 Have limited expensive car parking
5 Spend years in council bickering about city rejuvenation
AND BINGO NOBODY SHOPS IN NEWPORT
This of course does not include the fact that the place is an eyesore
How to have a town of empty shops??? Easy 1 Build ringroad (distributor road) around town so everybody can bypass Newport 2 Let Supermarkets locate close to residential areas 3 Charge exhorbitant bus faresy 4 Have limited expensive car parking 5 Spend years in council bickering about city rejuvenation AND BINGO NOBODY SHOPS IN NEWPORT This of course does not include the fact that the place is an eyesore Rattler2399

9:56pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Practicalmickey says...

The blame lies with the council.
Tesco used to be in the Kingsway, Tesco wanted more space and the council declined, Tesco built at Spytty, the first shop at Spytty which. Bloomed into a retail estate with cafe, resteraunt and cinema.
Currently under the (new) Kingsway are the old stalls, still in the same position when it was refurbished and built over, more wasted space, forcing small businesses into larger more expensive premises or bust.
The blame lies with the council. Tesco used to be in the Kingsway, Tesco wanted more space and the council declined, Tesco built at Spytty, the first shop at Spytty which. Bloomed into a retail estate with cafe, resteraunt and cinema. Currently under the (new) Kingsway are the old stalls, still in the same position when it was refurbished and built over, more wasted space, forcing small businesses into larger more expensive premises or bust. Practicalmickey

12:27am Wed 12 Feb 14

jimmysmith says...

ncfcr wrote:
Finding tenants for commercial properties in the UK has got to be one of the easiest tasks on planet Earth.

Financial analysts are predicting between 8-12% growth for the commercial property sector each and every year for the next three years; how difficult can it be to find someone willing to buy/rent these places in the current climate? I'd give it a go for £50k per annum if anybody at the council wants to get in touch.
dont believe that government backed propaganda for god sake .the country is on its back side and getting worse
[quote][p][bold]ncfcr[/bold] wrote: Finding tenants for commercial properties in the UK has got to be one of the easiest tasks on planet Earth. Financial analysts are predicting between 8-12% growth for the commercial property sector each and every year for the next three years; how difficult can it be to find someone willing to buy/rent these places in the current climate? I'd give it a go for £50k per annum if anybody at the council wants to get in touch.[/p][/quote]dont believe that government backed propaganda for god sake .the country is on its back side and getting worse jimmysmith

8:37am Wed 12 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

Newport flies in the face of Government stats that suggest more shops are now re-opening again, Newport is the second worst City in the UK as a result. Its a negative city with a negative population that doesn't support it, and having high profile shops like Debenham's seems a very strange attempt to suggest Newportonians have the money and the sophistication to frequent such shops, we know they haven't the money. Half of them Debenhams wouldn't let through the door until they tidy themselves up. They won't get much for a £1 there.
Newport flies in the face of Government stats that suggest more shops are now re-opening again, Newport is the second worst City in the UK as a result. Its a negative city with a negative population that doesn't support it, and having high profile shops like Debenham's seems a very strange attempt to suggest Newportonians have the money and the sophistication to frequent such shops, we know they haven't the money. Half of them Debenhams wouldn't let through the door until they tidy themselves up. They won't get much for a £1 there. Mervyn James

9:43am Wed 12 Feb 14

KarloMarko says...

Too late! Too late!

The rusting hulk SS Newport has hit the iceberg! Captain Argus shouts "thats no iceberg, its just the cubes in your forthcoming dreamy vodka breezer" , but we dont believe him anymore.

The last lifeboats are casting off for Cardiff Cwmbran and Cribbs....women and children are screaming out for leggings and designer tops....Will Cptn Kev 'Argus go down with his rustbucket? Do the sharks have pearly teeth....watch this space...
Too late! Too late! The rusting hulk SS Newport has hit the iceberg! Captain Argus shouts "thats no iceberg, its just the cubes in your forthcoming dreamy vodka breezer" , but we dont believe him anymore. The last lifeboats are casting off for Cardiff Cwmbran and Cribbs....women and children are screaming out for leggings and designer tops....Will Cptn Kev 'Argus go down with his rustbucket? Do the sharks have pearly teeth....watch this space... KarloMarko

3:37pm Wed 12 Feb 14

NakedDancer says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Newport flies in the face of Government stats that suggest more shops are now re-opening again, Newport is the second worst City in the UK as a result. Its a negative city with a negative population that doesn't support it, and having high profile shops like Debenham's seems a very strange attempt to suggest Newportonians have the money and the sophistication to frequent such shops, we know they haven't the money. Half of them Debenhams wouldn't let through the door until they tidy themselves up. They won't get much for a £1 there.
I'm sorry but that is nonsense. There's plenty of people that live in Newport and surrounding area that go to Cardiff, Bristol, Cheltenham, bath or online for their non-supermarket needs. Newport needs to create demand in the town centre by locating big employers there - that creates demand for shops and other businesses.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Newport flies in the face of Government stats that suggest more shops are now re-opening again, Newport is the second worst City in the UK as a result. Its a negative city with a negative population that doesn't support it, and having high profile shops like Debenham's seems a very strange attempt to suggest Newportonians have the money and the sophistication to frequent such shops, we know they haven't the money. Half of them Debenhams wouldn't let through the door until they tidy themselves up. They won't get much for a £1 there.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but that is nonsense. There's plenty of people that live in Newport and surrounding area that go to Cardiff, Bristol, Cheltenham, bath or online for their non-supermarket needs. Newport needs to create demand in the town centre by locating big employers there - that creates demand for shops and other businesses. NakedDancer

4:21pm Wed 12 Feb 14

cymruamblyth says...

There's been some recent pub openings pubs by the fly tipping poster extraordinaire Iffy!! How many more identikit pubs playing Rave music does Newport need? Quite a few shop closures in the In Shops such as Card Factory and the Art Shop, and three few generic cheap shops have closed over by the old Bewise.. I'm very surprised at this because if the people who post here are to be believe nobody uses Cwmbran or Spytty and EVERYBODY shops in Newport!

Only food shops left in Newport are Iceland and Tesco Extra, get new DVDs or music not a chance now HMV's gone.. Decent restaurants nope none, - child friendly eatery's ditto..

Still see the old Yates building is still open as a Pub, did Premier Inn pull out?
There's been some recent pub openings pubs by the fly tipping poster extraordinaire Iffy!! How many more identikit pubs playing Rave music does Newport need? Quite a few shop closures in the In Shops such as Card Factory and the Art Shop, and three few generic cheap shops have closed over by the old Bewise.. I'm very surprised at this because if the people who post here are to be believe nobody uses Cwmbran or Spytty and EVERYBODY shops in Newport! Only food shops left in Newport are Iceland and Tesco Extra, get new DVDs or music not a chance now HMV's gone.. Decent restaurants nope none, - child friendly eatery's ditto.. Still see the old Yates building is still open as a Pub, did Premier Inn pull out? cymruamblyth

4:42pm Wed 12 Feb 14

russ angel says...

I can get the train to Cardiff from Rogerstone soon,just down the road from me need I say more.Newport sank years ago.
I can get the train to Cardiff from Rogerstone soon,just down the road from me need I say more.Newport sank years ago. russ angel

4:43pm Wed 12 Feb 14

russ angel says...

And we have all these empty shops and borrow 90m to build more,you couldn't make it up.
And we have all these empty shops and borrow 90m to build more,you couldn't make it up. russ angel

6:23pm Wed 12 Feb 14

foxy3rd says...

KEDIZ1 wrote:
Nottingham has the most empty shops,i don,t go there either.KEV
I've told that the council are going to replace the opaque glass in the new market bus station at a cost of £58.000 .
I wonder who will end up paying for it !
[quote][p][bold]KEDIZ1[/bold] wrote: Nottingham has the most empty shops,i don,t go there either.KEV[/p][/quote]I've told that the council are going to replace the opaque glass in the new market bus station at a cost of £58.000 . I wonder who will end up paying for it ! foxy3rd

9:27pm Wed 12 Feb 14

newportexpat says...

God help any outsider who has to catch a bus from Newport, the bus station fiasco is an absolute nightmare!!
God help any outsider who has to catch a bus from Newport, the bus station fiasco is an absolute nightmare!! newportexpat

10:16am Thu 13 Feb 14

NakedDancer says...

russ angel wrote:
I can get the train to Cardiff from Rogerstone soon,just down the road from me need I say more.Newport sank years ago.
Thats ok if you only want 1 or 2 small items. You wouldn't want to lug loads of shopping on a train. Driving into Cardiff and parking is chaos.
[quote][p][bold]russ angel[/bold] wrote: I can get the train to Cardiff from Rogerstone soon,just down the road from me need I say more.Newport sank years ago.[/p][/quote]Thats ok if you only want 1 or 2 small items. You wouldn't want to lug loads of shopping on a train. Driving into Cardiff and parking is chaos. NakedDancer

10:39am Thu 13 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

foxy3rd wrote:
KEDIZ1 wrote:
Nottingham has the most empty shops,i don,t go there either.KEV
I've told that the council are going to replace the opaque glass in the new market bus station at a cost of £58.000 .
I wonder who will end up paying for it !
I complained about that when they were setting it up it obscured passenger viewing of bus numbers and the indicators at the new bus station are very poor. There is just no planning going into anything. A 'passenger' experiencing ? a pretty dire one ! First impressions count.
[quote][p][bold]foxy3rd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KEDIZ1[/bold] wrote: Nottingham has the most empty shops,i don,t go there either.KEV[/p][/quote]I've told that the council are going to replace the opaque glass in the new market bus station at a cost of £58.000 . I wonder who will end up paying for it ![/p][/quote]I complained about that when they were setting it up it obscured passenger viewing of bus numbers and the indicators at the new bus station are very poor. There is just no planning going into anything. A 'passenger' experiencing ? a pretty dire one ! First impressions count. Mervyn James

4:38pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

cymruamblyth wrote:
There's been some recent pub openings pubs by the fly tipping poster extraordinaire Iffy!! How many more identikit pubs playing Rave music does Newport need? Quite a few shop closures in the In Shops such as Card Factory and the Art Shop, and three few generic cheap shops have closed over by the old Bewise.. I'm very surprised at this because if the people who post here are to be believe nobody uses Cwmbran or Spytty and EVERYBODY shops in Newport! Only food shops left in Newport are Iceland and Tesco Extra, get new DVDs or music not a chance now HMV's gone.. Decent restaurants nope none, - child friendly eatery's ditto.. Still see the old Yates building is still open as a Pub, did Premier Inn pull out?
"if people who post here are to be believe nobody uses Cwmbran or Spytty and EVERYBODY shops in Newport". Huh ? you must be reading the Argus in a parallel universe. No-one has said that and the current shortage of shops in Newport is undeniable.
[quote][p][bold]cymruamblyth[/bold] wrote: There's been some recent pub openings pubs by the fly tipping poster extraordinaire Iffy!! How many more identikit pubs playing Rave music does Newport need? Quite a few shop closures in the In Shops such as Card Factory and the Art Shop, and three few generic cheap shops have closed over by the old Bewise.. I'm very surprised at this because if the people who post here are to be believe nobody uses Cwmbran or Spytty and EVERYBODY shops in Newport! Only food shops left in Newport are Iceland and Tesco Extra, get new DVDs or music not a chance now HMV's gone.. Decent restaurants nope none, - child friendly eatery's ditto.. Still see the old Yates building is still open as a Pub, did Premier Inn pull out?[/p][/quote]"if people who post here are to be believe nobody uses Cwmbran or Spytty and EVERYBODY shops in Newport". Huh ? you must be reading the Argus in a parallel universe. No-one has said that and the current shortage of shops in Newport is undeniable. Thomas O'Malley

7:22pm Sat 15 Feb 14

merlin the silure says...

bulldoze it all-lay on a free bus service to Spytty -simples
bulldoze it all-lay on a free bus service to Spytty -simples merlin the silure

8:53pm Sat 15 Feb 14

Wildethoughts says...

One of the biggest issues when walking through Newport City Centre is the passive smoking that you have to endure. You literally cannot walk more than a couple of feet without having to inhale cigarette smoke that someone else is breathing out. It is unhealthy, anti-social and simply ugly.
One of the biggest issues when walking through Newport City Centre is the passive smoking that you have to endure. You literally cannot walk more than a couple of feet without having to inhale cigarette smoke that someone else is breathing out. It is unhealthy, anti-social and simply ugly. Wildethoughts

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