Newport steelworkers face half-pay after plant produces nothing since summer

A STEELWORKS in Newport has put part of its workforce on leave with half pay.

Mir Steel hasn’t been in production since the summer - but a director said there have been no redundancies at the Corporation Road plant.

It is not clear how many of the firm's 150 workers have gone on temporary leave.

Director of Mir Steel Haydn Swidenbank said: "Following a review of the current situation and delays in the re-commencement of production, the directors of Mir Steel announced on Wednesday that some of the workforce have been placed on temporary leave but will still be paid half their contractual wages until the company returns to normal production.

“There have been no redundancies at the plant, which remains fully operational, and in full readiness for the recommencement of production.”

He said the plant, which makes hot-rolled coiled steel, has not been in production since the summer, but the workforce has been paid in full until now.

The director added that the workforce remains fully ready, and said they had agreed for all staff to be called to work on full pay once the plant does commence production.

“In the meantime the plant will be kept ready by maintenance staff,” he said.

Rob Edwards, regional organiser at the Community steelworkers union, said: “It’s devastating for the workers. It’s coming after the Christmas period, and no doubt they are looking at household bills. It’s going to be very difficult.”

He said around 150 people work there.

International steel and minerals group Liberty Commodities took over the Mir Steel plant last year on behalf of a consortium of Dubai-based Indian investors.

It had previously been owned by billionaire industrialist Vadim Varshavsky who took over the Newport site after Alphasteel went into administration on December 20, 2007.

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12:39pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Adrian Williams says...

Welcome to Tory Britain - zero hours contracts
Welcome to Tory Britain - zero hours contracts Adrian Williams
  • Score: 0

12:42pm Thu 27 Feb 14

whatintheworld says...

i wonder how its the workforces fault that this plant has produced nothing since summer? - id be looking to fire the chief operating officer or whoever!

also, i wonder if management have taken a paycut?

in fairness to them though, paying them in full since summer is pretty good.
i wonder how its the workforces fault that this plant has produced nothing since summer? - id be looking to fire the chief operating officer or whoever! also, i wonder if management have taken a paycut? in fairness to them though, paying them in full since summer is pretty good. whatintheworld
  • Score: 8

1:03pm Thu 27 Feb 14

BobEvams2014 says...

This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.
This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them. BobEvams2014
  • Score: 5

1:17pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Sometimes says...

Adrian Williams wrote:
Welcome to Tory Britain - zero hours contracts
They're not on zero hour contracts, if that were the case they wouldn't have been paid anything since last summer. Read the article. The last time this place went bust was when Labour were in power, was that the Tories fault then?
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Tory Britain - zero hours contracts[/p][/quote]They're not on zero hour contracts, if that were the case they wouldn't have been paid anything since last summer. Read the article. The last time this place went bust was when Labour were in power, was that the Tories fault then? Sometimes
  • Score: 13

1:21pm Thu 27 Feb 14

thedukeofdorkness says...

Naaaahhh Bob... you're talking shyte there butty. This falls on the heads of the management at Mir, and an unfortunate sign of the times... the current government are probably the root cause for this.
Naaaahhh Bob... you're talking shyte there butty. This falls on the heads of the management at Mir, and an unfortunate sign of the times... the current government are probably the root cause for this. thedukeofdorkness
  • Score: -11

1:24pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Griff boy says...

Adrian Williams wrote:
Welcome to Tory Britain - zero hours contracts
On zero hour contracts you get nothing if you don't work, so hardly relevant when they are getting half pay. Hopefully things will change for the better very soon!!
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Tory Britain - zero hours contracts[/p][/quote]On zero hour contracts you get nothing if you don't work, so hardly relevant when they are getting half pay. Hopefully things will change for the better very soon!! Griff boy
  • Score: 24

3:37pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Ant tan says...

My husband works for Orb Steel part of TATa and the union have told them they are looking at 100 jobs going. Management have been total idiots. They have not made any improvements in the last 5 years and hardly any orders going out due to so many problems on the lines. The workers are telling the management what the problems are and how to solve them but managers will not listen and feel the workers are pulling the wool over their eyes. Now we are in a situation where jobs have to go but not for the lack of workers trying. There are 136 people on the factory floor with over 300 staff!!!!! No wonder they have lost so much money. Just feel that managers really need to start listening to the work force. Nobody wants pay reduced or loss of jobs. We all have families and homes to look after
My husband works for Orb Steel part of TATa and the union have told them they are looking at 100 jobs going. Management have been total idiots. They have not made any improvements in the last 5 years and hardly any orders going out due to so many problems on the lines. The workers are telling the management what the problems are and how to solve them but managers will not listen and feel the workers are pulling the wool over their eyes. Now we are in a situation where jobs have to go but not for the lack of workers trying. There are 136 people on the factory floor with over 300 staff!!!!! No wonder they have lost so much money. Just feel that managers really need to start listening to the work force. Nobody wants pay reduced or loss of jobs. We all have families and homes to look after Ant tan
  • Score: 15

3:53pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Magor says...

Wales is a one party state like the former Eastern Europe,poor public services,no investment and no jobs.
Wales is a one party state like the former Eastern Europe,poor public services,no investment and no jobs. Magor
  • Score: -4

4:25pm Thu 27 Feb 14

GogExile says...

Adrian Williams wrote:
Welcome to Tory Britain - zero hours contracts
I was working on a zero hour basis for an employment agency in 2000. Pretty sure we didn't have a Tory government then.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian Williams[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Tory Britain - zero hours contracts[/p][/quote]I was working on a zero hour basis for an employment agency in 2000. Pretty sure we didn't have a Tory government then. GogExile
  • Score: 8

5:00pm Thu 27 Feb 14

madman 1 says...

We knew something like this was gonna happen its actually a year in march that we last produced, as bad as this is we have been in the dark on what was going to happen for many months but this is hopefully a way forward to a company that could really have made us all redundant, i just hope they r true to there word and start producing again in 3-4 months and give us employees back a bit of the loyalty that we have given them
We knew something like this was gonna happen its actually a year in march that we last produced, as bad as this is we have been in the dark on what was going to happen for many months but this is hopefully a way forward to a company that could really have made us all redundant, i just hope they r true to there word and start producing again in 3-4 months and give us employees back a bit of the loyalty that we have given them madman 1
  • Score: 11

5:36pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Adrian Williams says...

Okay, maybe I got the exact details wrong in this instance but zero hours contracts are becoming more and more prominent in the labour market - in fact, the government is actively encoraging it as part of a "flexible workforce". In other words, make it as easy as possible to hire and fire people and keep wages low (standard Tory policy/ ideology). Pay day loans is another term we've become acquainted with in recent year as wages have flagged behind inflation
Okay, maybe I got the exact details wrong in this instance but zero hours contracts are becoming more and more prominent in the labour market - in fact, the government is actively encoraging it as part of a "flexible workforce". In other words, make it as easy as possible to hire and fire people and keep wages low (standard Tory policy/ ideology). Pay day loans is another term we've become acquainted with in recent year as wages have flagged behind inflation Adrian Williams
  • Score: 4

5:39pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.
Another load of tripe from you bob.
They are not in production because no one wants the product.
Nothing to do with the Welsh government I’m afraid and although it pains me to say it nothing to do with the Tories!
Chinese steel mills are not responding to market signals of falling prices and are operating at near-record highs, with the industry dominated by state-owned mills that are very much motivated by political and social drivers, including employment and provincial tax revenues.
There is a glut of steel manufacturing in the world at the moment and its all cut throat at the moment. Tata hold a good card in Port Talbot if they can exploit the near by coal supply but it could take quite a long time before the huge glut of overproduced steel is used up.
Despite the glut, China's steel producers roll on,

There is no market for steel at the moment simple as that.
Its kind of like when they said there was no market for coal in the 80s the only difference is that was a lie and the difficult steel market today is real.

Unfortunately for us China's over production is huge. So its impact on the rest of the world has been far bigger, and its room for manoeuvre more limited, also its not only steel that’s being overproduced.China's capacity for making heavy earth-moving equipment is now running at double annual global demand. China's giant Rongsheng shipyard, built in 2006, is sitting idle.
Rubber prices are sliding due to falling Chinese demand for truck tyres.
What all these have in common is that China's overinvestment has outgrown not only its own economy, but also the world economy.

Sorry but you need to look at the bigger picture and take off your blinkers.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.[/p][/quote]Another load of tripe from you bob. They are not in production because no one wants the product. Nothing to do with the Welsh government I’m afraid and although it pains me to say it nothing to do with the Tories! Chinese steel mills are not responding to market signals of falling prices and are operating at near-record highs, with the industry dominated by state-owned mills that are very much motivated by political and social drivers, including employment and provincial tax revenues. There is a glut of steel manufacturing in the world at the moment and its all cut throat at the moment. Tata hold a good card in Port Talbot if they can exploit the near by coal supply but it could take quite a long time before the huge glut of overproduced steel is used up. Despite the glut, China's steel producers roll on, There is no market for steel at the moment simple as that. Its kind of like when they said there was no market for coal in the 80s the only difference is that was a lie and the difficult steel market today is real. Unfortunately for us China's over production is huge. So its impact on the rest of the world has been far bigger, and its room for manoeuvre more limited, also its not only steel that’s being overproduced.China's capacity for making heavy earth-moving equipment is now running at double annual global demand. China's giant Rongsheng shipyard, built in 2006, is sitting idle. Rubber prices are sliding due to falling Chinese demand for truck tyres. What all these have in common is that China's overinvestment has outgrown not only its own economy, but also the world economy. Sorry but you need to look at the bigger picture and take off your blinkers. Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 30

6:09pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Magor says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.
Another load of tripe from you bob.
They are not in production because no one wants the product.
Nothing to do with the Welsh government I’m afraid and although it pains me to say it nothing to do with the Tories!
Chinese steel mills are not responding to market signals of falling prices and are operating at near-record highs, with the industry dominated by state-owned mills that are very much motivated by political and social drivers, including employment and provincial tax revenues.
There is a glut of steel manufacturing in the world at the moment and its all cut throat at the moment. Tata hold a good card in Port Talbot if they can exploit the near by coal supply but it could take quite a long time before the huge glut of overproduced steel is used up.
Despite the glut, China's steel producers roll on,

There is no market for steel at the moment simple as that.
Its kind of like when they said there was no market for coal in the 80s the only difference is that was a lie and the difficult steel market today is real.

Unfortunately for us China's over production is huge. So its impact on the rest of the world has been far bigger, and its room for manoeuvre more limited, also its not only steel that’s being overproduced.China's capacity for making heavy earth-moving equipment is now running at double annual global demand. China's giant Rongsheng shipyard, built in 2006, is sitting idle.
Rubber prices are sliding due to falling Chinese demand for truck tyres.
What all these have in common is that China's overinvestment has outgrown not only its own economy, but also the world economy.

Sorry but you need to look at the bigger picture and take off your blinkers.
Its not just steel its everything else,Newport has gone downhill since the late 90s.
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.[/p][/quote]Another load of tripe from you bob. They are not in production because no one wants the product. Nothing to do with the Welsh government I’m afraid and although it pains me to say it nothing to do with the Tories! Chinese steel mills are not responding to market signals of falling prices and are operating at near-record highs, with the industry dominated by state-owned mills that are very much motivated by political and social drivers, including employment and provincial tax revenues. There is a glut of steel manufacturing in the world at the moment and its all cut throat at the moment. Tata hold a good card in Port Talbot if they can exploit the near by coal supply but it could take quite a long time before the huge glut of overproduced steel is used up. Despite the glut, China's steel producers roll on, There is no market for steel at the moment simple as that. Its kind of like when they said there was no market for coal in the 80s the only difference is that was a lie and the difficult steel market today is real. Unfortunately for us China's over production is huge. So its impact on the rest of the world has been far bigger, and its room for manoeuvre more limited, also its not only steel that’s being overproduced.China's capacity for making heavy earth-moving equipment is now running at double annual global demand. China's giant Rongsheng shipyard, built in 2006, is sitting idle. Rubber prices are sliding due to falling Chinese demand for truck tyres. What all these have in common is that China's overinvestment has outgrown not only its own economy, but also the world economy. Sorry but you need to look at the bigger picture and take off your blinkers.[/p][/quote]Its not just steel its everything else,Newport has gone downhill since the late 90s. Magor
  • Score: -1

6:28pm Thu 27 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.
Another load of tripe from you bob.
They are not in production because no one wants the product.
Nothing to do with the Welsh government I’m afraid and although it pains me to say it nothing to do with the Tories!
Chinese steel mills are not responding to market signals of falling prices and are operating at near-record highs, with the industry dominated by state-owned mills that are very much motivated by political and social drivers, including employment and provincial tax revenues.
There is a glut of steel manufacturing in the world at the moment and its all cut throat at the moment. Tata hold a good card in Port Talbot if they can exploit the near by coal supply but it could take quite a long time before the huge glut of overproduced steel is used up.
Despite the glut, China's steel producers roll on,

There is no market for steel at the moment simple as that.
Its kind of like when they said there was no market for coal in the 80s the only difference is that was a lie and the difficult steel market today is real.

Unfortunately for us China's over production is huge. So its impact on the rest of the world has been far bigger, and its room for manoeuvre more limited, also its not only steel that’s being overproduced.China's capacity for making heavy earth-moving equipment is now running at double annual global demand. China's giant Rongsheng shipyard, built in 2006, is sitting idle.
Rubber prices are sliding due to falling Chinese demand for truck tyres.
What all these have in common is that China's overinvestment has outgrown not only its own economy, but also the world economy.

Sorry but you need to look at the bigger picture and take off your blinkers.
wrong bob I think. Bob Eva'm's was set up, I believe, to spoof Bob Eva'n's - as a parody, like.
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.[/p][/quote]Another load of tripe from you bob. They are not in production because no one wants the product. Nothing to do with the Welsh government I’m afraid and although it pains me to say it nothing to do with the Tories! Chinese steel mills are not responding to market signals of falling prices and are operating at near-record highs, with the industry dominated by state-owned mills that are very much motivated by political and social drivers, including employment and provincial tax revenues. There is a glut of steel manufacturing in the world at the moment and its all cut throat at the moment. Tata hold a good card in Port Talbot if they can exploit the near by coal supply but it could take quite a long time before the huge glut of overproduced steel is used up. Despite the glut, China's steel producers roll on, There is no market for steel at the moment simple as that. Its kind of like when they said there was no market for coal in the 80s the only difference is that was a lie and the difficult steel market today is real. Unfortunately for us China's over production is huge. So its impact on the rest of the world has been far bigger, and its room for manoeuvre more limited, also its not only steel that’s being overproduced.China's capacity for making heavy earth-moving equipment is now running at double annual global demand. China's giant Rongsheng shipyard, built in 2006, is sitting idle. Rubber prices are sliding due to falling Chinese demand for truck tyres. What all these have in common is that China's overinvestment has outgrown not only its own economy, but also the world economy. Sorry but you need to look at the bigger picture and take off your blinkers.[/p][/quote]wrong bob I think. Bob Eva'm's was set up, I believe, to spoof Bob Eva'n's - as a parody, like. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 3

6:40pm Thu 27 Feb 14

whatintheworld says...

Magor wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne

ss
wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.
Another load of tripe from you bob.
They are not in production because no one wants the product.
Nothing to do with the Welsh government I’m afraid and although it pains me to say it nothing to do with the Tories!
Chinese steel mills are not responding to market signals of falling prices and are operating at near-record highs, with the industry dominated by state-owned mills that are very much motivated by political and social drivers, including employment and provincial tax revenues.
There is a glut of steel manufacturing in the world at the moment and its all cut throat at the moment. Tata hold a good card in Port Talbot if they can exploit the near by coal supply but it could take quite a long time before the huge glut of overproduced steel is used up.
Despite the glut, China's steel producers roll on,

There is no market for steel at the moment simple as that.
Its kind of like when they said there was no market for coal in the 80s the only difference is that was a lie and the difficult steel market today is real.

Unfortunately for us China's over production is huge. So its impact on the rest of the world has been far bigger, and its room for manoeuvre more limited, also its not only steel that’s being overproduced.China's capacity for making heavy earth-moving equipment is now running at double annual global demand. China's giant Rongsheng shipyard, built in 2006, is sitting idle.
Rubber prices are sliding due to falling Chinese demand for truck tyres.
What all these have in common is that China's overinvestment has outgrown not only its own economy, but also the world economy.

Sorry but you need to look at the bigger picture and take off your blinkers.
Its not just steel its everything else,Newport has gone downhill since the late 90s.
the world is getting smaller magor - globalisation.

now that other countries are able to supply us with the things we used to supply ourselves with (and cheaply), industrial towns/cities like newport face an uphill battle.

this one is definitely not the fault of WG/Labour/EU/Bob Bright/the Polish/Fungi
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.[/p][/quote]Another load of tripe from you bob. They are not in production because no one wants the product. Nothing to do with the Welsh government I’m afraid and although it pains me to say it nothing to do with the Tories! Chinese steel mills are not responding to market signals of falling prices and are operating at near-record highs, with the industry dominated by state-owned mills that are very much motivated by political and social drivers, including employment and provincial tax revenues. There is a glut of steel manufacturing in the world at the moment and its all cut throat at the moment. Tata hold a good card in Port Talbot if they can exploit the near by coal supply but it could take quite a long time before the huge glut of overproduced steel is used up. Despite the glut, China's steel producers roll on, There is no market for steel at the moment simple as that. Its kind of like when they said there was no market for coal in the 80s the only difference is that was a lie and the difficult steel market today is real. Unfortunately for us China's over production is huge. So its impact on the rest of the world has been far bigger, and its room for manoeuvre more limited, also its not only steel that’s being overproduced.China's capacity for making heavy earth-moving equipment is now running at double annual global demand. China's giant Rongsheng shipyard, built in 2006, is sitting idle. Rubber prices are sliding due to falling Chinese demand for truck tyres. What all these have in common is that China's overinvestment has outgrown not only its own economy, but also the world economy. Sorry but you need to look at the bigger picture and take off your blinkers.[/p][/quote]Its not just steel its everything else,Newport has gone downhill since the late 90s.[/p][/quote]the world is getting smaller magor - globalisation. now that other countries are able to supply us with the things we used to supply ourselves with (and cheaply), industrial towns/cities like newport face an uphill battle. this one is definitely not the fault of WG/Labour/EU/Bob Bright/the Polish/Fungi whatintheworld
  • Score: 4

7:08pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne

ss
wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.
Another load of tripe from you bob.
They are not in production because no one wants the product.
Nothing to do with the Welsh government I’m afraid and although it pains me to say it nothing to do with the Tories!
Chinese steel mills are not responding to market signals of falling prices and are operating at near-record highs, with the industry dominated by state-owned mills that are very much motivated by political and social drivers, including employment and provincial tax revenues.
There is a glut of steel manufacturing in the world at the moment and its all cut throat at the moment. Tata hold a good card in Port Talbot if they can exploit the near by coal supply but it could take quite a long time before the huge glut of overproduced steel is used up.
Despite the glut, China's steel producers roll on,

There is no market for steel at the moment simple as that.
Its kind of like when they said there was no market for coal in the 80s the only difference is that was a lie and the difficult steel market today is real.

Unfortunately for us China's over production is huge. So its impact on the rest of the world has been far bigger, and its room for manoeuvre more limited, also its not only steel that’s being overproduced.China's capacity for making heavy earth-moving equipment is now running at double annual global demand. China's giant Rongsheng shipyard, built in 2006, is sitting idle.
Rubber prices are sliding due to falling Chinese demand for truck tyres.
What all these have in common is that China's overinvestment has outgrown not only its own economy, but also the world economy.

Sorry but you need to look at the bigger picture and take off your blinkers.
wrong bob I think. Bob Eva'm's was set up, I believe, to spoof Bob Eva'n's - as a parody, like.
Different Bob!! same old Bull
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.[/p][/quote]Another load of tripe from you bob. They are not in production because no one wants the product. Nothing to do with the Welsh government I’m afraid and although it pains me to say it nothing to do with the Tories! Chinese steel mills are not responding to market signals of falling prices and are operating at near-record highs, with the industry dominated by state-owned mills that are very much motivated by political and social drivers, including employment and provincial tax revenues. There is a glut of steel manufacturing in the world at the moment and its all cut throat at the moment. Tata hold a good card in Port Talbot if they can exploit the near by coal supply but it could take quite a long time before the huge glut of overproduced steel is used up. Despite the glut, China's steel producers roll on, There is no market for steel at the moment simple as that. Its kind of like when they said there was no market for coal in the 80s the only difference is that was a lie and the difficult steel market today is real. Unfortunately for us China's over production is huge. So its impact on the rest of the world has been far bigger, and its room for manoeuvre more limited, also its not only steel that’s being overproduced.China's capacity for making heavy earth-moving equipment is now running at double annual global demand. China's giant Rongsheng shipyard, built in 2006, is sitting idle. Rubber prices are sliding due to falling Chinese demand for truck tyres. What all these have in common is that China's overinvestment has outgrown not only its own economy, but also the world economy. Sorry but you need to look at the bigger picture and take off your blinkers.[/p][/quote]wrong bob I think. Bob Eva'm's was set up, I believe, to spoof Bob Eva'n's - as a parody, like.[/p][/quote]Different Bob!! same old Bull Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 3

7:15pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.
You had me fooled you little tinker!
The resemblance is uncanny.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.[/p][/quote]You had me fooled you little tinker! The resemblance is uncanny. Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 15

7:16pm Thu 27 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne


ss
wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.
Another load of tripe from you bob.
They are not in production because no one wants the product.
Nothing to do with the Welsh government I’m afraid and although it pains me to say it nothing to do with the Tories!
Chinese steel mills are not responding to market signals of falling prices and are operating at near-record highs, with the industry dominated by state-owned mills that are very much motivated by political and social drivers, including employment and provincial tax revenues.
There is a glut of steel manufacturing in the world at the moment and its all cut throat at the moment. Tata hold a good card in Port Talbot if they can exploit the near by coal supply but it could take quite a long time before the huge glut of overproduced steel is used up.
Despite the glut, China's steel producers roll on,

There is no market for steel at the moment simple as that.
Its kind of like when they said there was no market for coal in the 80s the only difference is that was a lie and the difficult steel market today is real.

Unfortunately for us China's over production is huge. So its impact on the rest of the world has been far bigger, and its room for manoeuvre more limited, also its not only steel that’s being overproduced.China's capacity for making heavy earth-moving equipment is now running at double annual global demand. China's giant Rongsheng shipyard, built in 2006, is sitting idle.
Rubber prices are sliding due to falling Chinese demand for truck tyres.
What all these have in common is that China's overinvestment has outgrown not only its own economy, but also the world economy.

Sorry but you need to look at the bigger picture and take off your blinkers.
wrong bob I think. Bob Eva'm's was set up, I believe, to spoof Bob Eva'n's - as a parody, like.
Different Bob!! same old Bull
I'm not sure you understand.

A parody (also called spoof, send-up or lampoon), in current use, is an imitative work created to mock, comment on or trivialize an original work, its subject, author, style, or some other target, by means of satiric or ironic imitation.
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.[/p][/quote]Another load of tripe from you bob. They are not in production because no one wants the product. Nothing to do with the Welsh government I’m afraid and although it pains me to say it nothing to do with the Tories! Chinese steel mills are not responding to market signals of falling prices and are operating at near-record highs, with the industry dominated by state-owned mills that are very much motivated by political and social drivers, including employment and provincial tax revenues. There is a glut of steel manufacturing in the world at the moment and its all cut throat at the moment. Tata hold a good card in Port Talbot if they can exploit the near by coal supply but it could take quite a long time before the huge glut of overproduced steel is used up. Despite the glut, China's steel producers roll on, There is no market for steel at the moment simple as that. Its kind of like when they said there was no market for coal in the 80s the only difference is that was a lie and the difficult steel market today is real. Unfortunately for us China's over production is huge. So its impact on the rest of the world has been far bigger, and its room for manoeuvre more limited, also its not only steel that’s being overproduced.China's capacity for making heavy earth-moving equipment is now running at double annual global demand. China's giant Rongsheng shipyard, built in 2006, is sitting idle. Rubber prices are sliding due to falling Chinese demand for truck tyres. What all these have in common is that China's overinvestment has outgrown not only its own economy, but also the world economy. Sorry but you need to look at the bigger picture and take off your blinkers.[/p][/quote]wrong bob I think. Bob Eva'm's was set up, I believe, to spoof Bob Eva'n's - as a parody, like.[/p][/quote]Different Bob!! same old Bull[/p][/quote]I'm not sure you understand. A parody (also called spoof, send-up or lampoon), in current use, is an imitative work created to mock, comment on or trivialize an original work, its subject, author, style, or some other target, by means of satiric or ironic imitation. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 0

7:17pm Thu 27 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.
You had me fooled you little tinker!
The resemblance is uncanny.
Ah, there ya go..lol
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.[/p][/quote]You had me fooled you little tinker! The resemblance is uncanny.[/p][/quote]Ah, there ya go..lol GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 15

7:30pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Newportsucks85 says...

Business is slow all round, weather doesn't help at all... If there's no demand ... Hardly any construction going on... Sign off the times.. Bad goverment?
Business is slow all round, weather doesn't help at all... If there's no demand ... Hardly any construction going on... Sign off the times.. Bad goverment? Newportsucks85
  • Score: 1

10:20am Fri 28 Feb 14

Mike Roland says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.
Any more Bobs on here? Nice one!!
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: This is due to the extra costs incurred in Wales, what these costs are I don't know, how they are incurred I don't know, if they exist I don't know, but it seems the answer to give to blame either a) the WAG, b) Bob Bright and Newport City Council, c) the EU, D) the last Labour Government,or E) all of them.[/p][/quote]Any more Bobs on here? Nice one!! Mike Roland
  • Score: 7

10:54am Fri 28 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

Newportsucks85 wrote:
Business is slow all round, weather doesn't help at all... If there's no demand ... Hardly any construction going on... Sign off the times.. Bad goverment?
Not bad government unless you mean Westminster. Mostly it is nil investment Asia and china can swamp any market we set up and they pay peanuts to workers too. Hence Cameron's justification for swamping the UK with European migrants. But even that isn't working. (except in London which suits him). The freeloaders are dispersed to us and north of England along with convicted European killers and rapists,as well as fraudulent asylum seekers who are mass killers where they come from. We're just a dumping ground.
[quote][p][bold]Newportsucks85[/bold] wrote: Business is slow all round, weather doesn't help at all... If there's no demand ... Hardly any construction going on... Sign off the times.. Bad goverment?[/p][/quote]Not bad government unless you mean Westminster. Mostly it is nil investment Asia and china can swamp any market we set up and they pay peanuts to workers too. Hence Cameron's justification for swamping the UK with European migrants. But even that isn't working. (except in London which suits him). The freeloaders are dispersed to us and north of England along with convicted European killers and rapists,as well as fraudulent asylum seekers who are mass killers where they come from. We're just a dumping ground. Mervyn James
  • Score: -6

12:07pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Newportsucks85 wrote:
Business is slow all round, weather doesn't help at all... If there's no demand ... Hardly any construction going on... Sign off the times.. Bad goverment?
Not bad government unless you mean Westminster. Mostly it is nil investment Asia and china can swamp any market we set up and they pay peanuts to workers too. Hence Cameron's justification for swamping the UK with European migrants. But even that isn't working. (except in London which suits him). The freeloaders are dispersed to us and north of England along with convicted European killers and rapists,as well as fraudulent asylum seekers who are mass killers where they come from. We're just a dumping ground.
And your solution? Presumably not to vote Miliband for it was he and his cronies in the Lords who scuppered the Referendum Bill. Nor, I think, can Cameron be blamed for the open door immigration policy 1997-2010. So, although I don't agree with him that we should remain under the Paris-Berlin Axis, he's hardly been a big player in uncontrolled immigration, has he?
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Newportsucks85[/bold] wrote: Business is slow all round, weather doesn't help at all... If there's no demand ... Hardly any construction going on... Sign off the times.. Bad goverment?[/p][/quote]Not bad government unless you mean Westminster. Mostly it is nil investment Asia and china can swamp any market we set up and they pay peanuts to workers too. Hence Cameron's justification for swamping the UK with European migrants. But even that isn't working. (except in London which suits him). The freeloaders are dispersed to us and north of England along with convicted European killers and rapists,as well as fraudulent asylum seekers who are mass killers where they come from. We're just a dumping ground.[/p][/quote]And your solution? Presumably not to vote Miliband for it was he and his cronies in the Lords who scuppered the Referendum Bill. Nor, I think, can Cameron be blamed for the open door immigration policy 1997-2010. So, although I don't agree with him that we should remain under the Paris-Berlin Axis, he's hardly been a big player in uncontrolled immigration, has he? Dai Rear
  • Score: -11

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