ARGUS COMMENT: Anti-smoking laws are welcome - but can they be policed?

ARGUS COMMENT: Anti-smoking laws are welcome - but can they be policed?

ARGUS COMMENT: Anti-smoking laws are welcome - but can they be policed?

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THE number of anti-smoking laws and measures has increased substantially during the last decade.

The ban on smoking in public places was controversial when it was introduced, not least because of its claimed effects on the pub trade, but now appears to be an accepted part of daily life.

Since then we have seen bans on smoking in hospital grounds, MPs have voted to ban it in private cars when children are present, and an increasing number of councils have made it illegal to smoke in outdoor children's play parks - Torfaen council is doing so today to mark No Smoking Day.

In general, we welcome all these measures. Some smokers will, of course, claim their civil liberties are being infringed.

However, we believe the health rights of the majority outweigh those of the minority who smoke.

Our biggest concern, though, is how some of these anti-smoking measures can be enforced.

The Welsh Government has yet to decide whether it will impose the car ban supported by the House of Commons, although it seems likely they will do so.

But how can such a law be policed when so many drivers still flout the rules on mobile phone use?

And how on earth will play park bans be enforced?

We doubt there are enough police, PCSOs or council enforcement officers to patrol play parks looking for smokers.

The ideas are right - we just wonder whether enough thought is given to how theory is put into practice.

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10:28am Wed 12 Mar 14

pwharley says...

Rather than ban it in private cars, it would be more prudent for the Welsh Government to impose a ban on smoking in bus stations, as Newport City Council seem unwilling to do this!
Rather than ban it in private cars, it would be more prudent for the Welsh Government to impose a ban on smoking in bus stations, as Newport City Council seem unwilling to do this! pwharley
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10:52am Wed 12 Mar 14

ex-St. Julians boy says...

If the government badgered you enough to make you believe that breathing was socially unacceptable would you give that up too?
If the government badgered you enough to make you believe that breathing was socially unacceptable would you give that up too? ex-St. Julians boy
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11:06am Wed 12 Mar 14

cymruambyth says...

ex-St. Julians boy wrote:
If the government badgered you enough to make you believe that breathing was socially unacceptable would you give that up too?
No, would you?
[quote][p][bold]ex-St. Julians boy[/bold] wrote: If the government badgered you enough to make you believe that breathing was socially unacceptable would you give that up too?[/p][/quote]No, would you? cymruambyth
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11:11am Wed 12 Mar 14

ex-St. Julians boy says...

cymruambyth wrote:
ex-St. Julians boy wrote:
If the government badgered you enough to make you believe that breathing was socially unacceptable would you give that up too?
No, would you?
Obviously not but, then again, I'm not daft enough to automatically believe every piece of propaganda dispensed by HM Government. On the other hand, when they get us to the point that life isn't really worth living ... I might well give the proposal further serious consideration
[quote][p][bold]cymruambyth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ex-St. Julians boy[/bold] wrote: If the government badgered you enough to make you believe that breathing was socially unacceptable would you give that up too?[/p][/quote]No, would you?[/p][/quote]Obviously not but, then again, I'm not daft enough to automatically believe every piece of propaganda dispensed by HM Government. On the other hand, when they get us to the point that life isn't really worth living ... I might well give the proposal further serious consideration ex-St. Julians boy
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12:31pm Wed 12 Mar 14

cymruambyth says...

I don't think that anybody is daft enough to believe everything the government tells us, but surely most people welcome the restrictions imposed on smoking.
I don't think that anybody is daft enough to believe everything the government tells us, but surely most people welcome the restrictions imposed on smoking. cymruambyth
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12:59pm Wed 12 Mar 14

throwy1 says...

F.O.R.E.S.T.
F.O.R.E.S.T. throwy1
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1:03pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

"We doubt there are enough police, PCSOs or council enforcement officers to patrol play parks looking for smokers. "

One potential way around this personpower shortage in the future could be to use fearsome patrols of robots that could confiscate and terminate smokers' cigarettes.
"We doubt there are enough police, PCSOs or council enforcement officers to patrol play parks looking for smokers. " One potential way around this personpower shortage in the future could be to use fearsome patrols of robots that could confiscate and terminate smokers' cigarettes. Katie Re-Registered
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1:14pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Raymond Luxury-Yacht says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
"We doubt there are enough police, PCSOs or council enforcement officers to patrol play parks looking for smokers. "

One potential way around this personpower shortage in the future could be to use fearsome patrols of robots that could confiscate and terminate smokers' cigarettes.
Yes, and when the robots apprehend these unrighteous souls, they would be hung, drawn and quartered, then buried in an iron coffin with spikes on the inside, as a punishment for their sins to this increasingly self-righteous society.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: "We doubt there are enough police, PCSOs or council enforcement officers to patrol play parks looking for smokers. " One potential way around this personpower shortage in the future could be to use fearsome patrols of robots that could confiscate and terminate smokers' cigarettes.[/p][/quote]Yes, and when the robots apprehend these unrighteous souls, they would be hung, drawn and quartered, then buried in an iron coffin with spikes on the inside, as a punishment for their sins to this increasingly self-righteous society. Raymond Luxury-Yacht
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1:26pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Raymond Luxury-Yacht wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote: "We doubt there are enough police, PCSOs or council enforcement officers to patrol play parks looking for smokers. " One potential way around this personpower shortage in the future could be to use fearsome patrols of robots that could confiscate and terminate smokers' cigarettes.
Yes, and when the robots apprehend these unrighteous souls, they would be hung, drawn and quartered, then buried in an iron coffin with spikes on the inside, as a punishment for their sins to this increasingly self-righteous society.
Hmmm...there's a point: I think if this were accompanied by a 'fun day' with a few market stalls, a fair and some fire-eaters and magicians this would be a great way to get visitors back to Newport city centre, regenerating it to the level of popularity that it enjoyed when it was a bustling market town in the early middle ages;)
[quote][p][bold]Raymond Luxury-Yacht[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: "We doubt there are enough police, PCSOs or council enforcement officers to patrol play parks looking for smokers. " One potential way around this personpower shortage in the future could be to use fearsome patrols of robots that could confiscate and terminate smokers' cigarettes.[/p][/quote]Yes, and when the robots apprehend these unrighteous souls, they would be hung, drawn and quartered, then buried in an iron coffin with spikes on the inside, as a punishment for their sins to this increasingly self-righteous society.[/p][/quote]Hmmm...there's a point: I think if this were accompanied by a 'fun day' with a few market stalls, a fair and some fire-eaters and magicians this would be a great way to get visitors back to Newport city centre, regenerating it to the level of popularity that it enjoyed when it was a bustling market town in the early middle ages;) Katie Re-Registered
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1:45pm Wed 12 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Raymond Luxury-Yacht wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote: "We doubt there are enough police, PCSOs or council enforcement officers to patrol play parks looking for smokers. " One potential way around this personpower shortage in the future could be to use fearsome patrols of robots that could confiscate and terminate smokers' cigarettes.
Yes, and when the robots apprehend these unrighteous souls, they would be hung, drawn and quartered, then buried in an iron coffin with spikes on the inside, as a punishment for their sins to this increasingly self-righteous society.
Hmmm...there's a point: I think if this were accompanied by a 'fun day' with a few market stalls, a fair and some fire-eaters and magicians this would be a great way to get visitors back to Newport city centre, regenerating it to the level of popularity that it enjoyed when it was a bustling market town in the early middle ages;)
Hmmm... you could even have a 'wack-a-smoka' stall - where gangs of four year olds set about a smoker with baseball bats with nails hammered through them.

Fun, fun, fun.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raymond Luxury-Yacht[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: "We doubt there are enough police, PCSOs or council enforcement officers to patrol play parks looking for smokers. " One potential way around this personpower shortage in the future could be to use fearsome patrols of robots that could confiscate and terminate smokers' cigarettes.[/p][/quote]Yes, and when the robots apprehend these unrighteous souls, they would be hung, drawn and quartered, then buried in an iron coffin with spikes on the inside, as a punishment for their sins to this increasingly self-righteous society.[/p][/quote]Hmmm...there's a point: I think if this were accompanied by a 'fun day' with a few market stalls, a fair and some fire-eaters and magicians this would be a great way to get visitors back to Newport city centre, regenerating it to the level of popularity that it enjoyed when it was a bustling market town in the early middle ages;)[/p][/quote]Hmmm... you could even have a 'wack-a-smoka' stall - where gangs of four year olds set about a smoker with baseball bats with nails hammered through them. Fun, fun, fun. GardenVarietyMushroom
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6:04pm Wed 12 Mar 14

endthelies says...

Well I don't drink, so I think all pubs clubs etc. should be closed and alcohol should only be sold under the counter and a five per cent above average inflation rate should be applied. Anyone who seems to be under the influence should not be allowed any where near a bus station and should have to stand outside any undercover premises in the snow if they feel the need to have a pint. My health is affected by the drunks who cause havoc every weekend and therefore, alcohol should be banned. They cost the nhs and the police millions as well. Treat the drinkers as you do the smokers please.
Well I don't drink, so I think all pubs clubs etc. should be closed and alcohol should only be sold under the counter and a five per cent above average inflation rate should be applied. Anyone who seems to be under the influence should not be allowed any where near a bus station and should have to stand outside any undercover premises in the snow if they feel the need to have a pint. My health is affected by the drunks who cause havoc every weekend and therefore, alcohol should be banned. They cost the nhs and the police millions as well. Treat the drinkers as you do the smokers please. endthelies
  • Score: 4

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