LiveUK Budget 2014

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Summary

  • Key Points for Gwent and Wales:
  • Legislation to give Welsh Government tax and borrowing powers to fund infrastructure needs, including improvements to M4
  • Cap on carbon price floor - backed by steelworkers' Community Union
  • Beer duty cut by 1%, cider taxes frozen
  • £140bn repairs for flood damage
  • Exemption on VAT for inshore rescue boat services good for Gwent's Severn Area Rescue Association
  • £10m support to Scouts, Guides and St John Ambulance

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12:44pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

'Lies d**n lies and statistics.'
Can see no evidence of any recovery here.
All based on the rich money laundering foreigners pushing up house prices in London I suspect.
Oh I forgot, we are governed by the Labour Assembly in Wales.
'Lies d**n lies and statistics.' Can see no evidence of any recovery here. All based on the rich money laundering foreigners pushing up house prices in London I suspect. Oh I forgot, we are governed by the Labour Assembly in Wales. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -8

12:49pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Javez says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
'Lies d**n lies and statistics.' Can see no evidence of any recovery here. All based on the rich money laundering foreigners pushing up house prices in London I suspect. Oh I forgot, we are governed by the Labour Assembly in Wales.
The statistics are good - robust, clear and totally outside of government control. Oh, and produced here in Newport!

The lies and d**n lies, however - all Osborne....
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: 'Lies d**n lies and statistics.' Can see no evidence of any recovery here. All based on the rich money laundering foreigners pushing up house prices in London I suspect. Oh I forgot, we are governed by the Labour Assembly in Wales.[/p][/quote]The statistics are good - robust, clear and totally outside of government control. Oh, and produced here in Newport! The lies and d**n lies, however - all Osborne.... Javez
  • Score: 12

1:23pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales Bobevans
  • Score: 2

1:24pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Magor says...

No more excuses get the M4 built now.
No more excuses get the M4 built now. Magor
  • Score: 21

1:33pm Wed 19 Mar 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 10

1:37pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

"We have record number of women in work - Osborne"

Yeah, in a record amount of minimum wage jobs!
"We have record number of women in work - Osborne" Yeah, in a record amount of minimum wage jobs! Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 19

1:51pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
"We have record number of women in work - Osborne"

Yeah, in a record amount of minimum wage jobs!
Thanks to all the immigrants that Labour let in, taking them.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: "We have record number of women in work - Osborne" Yeah, in a record amount of minimum wage jobs![/p][/quote]Thanks to all the immigrants that Labour let in, taking them. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -4

1:53pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
So you think that Labour will do a better job do you?
13 years of power = 20 + years of bankruptcy.
Fantastic record.
Bring it on so that they may even surpass this next time.
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]So you think that Labour will do a better job do you? 13 years of power = 20 + years of bankruptcy. Fantastic record. Bring it on so that they may even surpass this next time. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -2

3:40pm Wed 19 Mar 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

I'm going to poke the bear with this but I don't think that you can blame the Labour party for the recession. It was casued by the fraudulent selling of loans and the blatant greed of the financial industry. The goverment did as much as it can to prevent it's impact and try to turn it around. Don't forget they had the insight to reduce the vat so that it would make things cheaper for the ave working man, also during the time labour were in power they did alot for the financial support of those that needed the help. Under the condems it's been the reverse the vat has gone up the financial support has been erroded away to the extent that people now have to use food banks. The rich are getting richer and the working class are turing to hand outs. I'm sorry but yes I think that for the working class labour will do a better job.

The flip side is that they are useless in other ways. They can not control budgets within any area that they have control in, don't have any common sense and are just power crazed.

Who would I rather have in parliment. I'd like to see more indipendents, that are not career Politicians but have a vaired background, to nither all be toffs and not all being lower class, those that know first had about budgeting, managing business and how to manage people.

For how much longer are we going to accept that the gov needs to be run just by those that have learned politics in uni, been spoon fed party ideals from thier late teens, not have a clue about the real world and are only interested in making backhand deals looking out for each other and be self serving. We vote them in because we all think that we have to vote as people fought to give us those votes. I think it's time that we fought to have the right to put none of the above on a ballet form. Instead the self serving sleaze balls have given us an alternative. Which is only there to serve them and will only serve either labour or conservative because they get most of the votes anyway.

Things need to change, the whole of the population needs to start to get a better deal from parliment. As it's just not happening.
I'm going to poke the bear with this but I don't think that you can blame the Labour party for the recession. It was casued by the fraudulent selling of loans and the blatant greed of the financial industry. The goverment did as much as it can to prevent it's impact and try to turn it around. Don't forget they had the insight to reduce the vat so that it would make things cheaper for the ave working man, also during the time labour were in power they did alot for the financial support of those that needed the help. Under the condems it's been the reverse the vat has gone up the financial support has been erroded away to the extent that people now have to use food banks. The rich are getting richer and the working class are turing to hand outs. I'm sorry but yes I think that for the working class labour will do a better job. The flip side is that they are useless in other ways. They can not control budgets within any area that they have control in, don't have any common sense and are just power crazed. Who would I rather have in parliment. I'd like to see more indipendents, that are not career Politicians but have a vaired background, to nither all be toffs and not all being lower class, those that know first had about budgeting, managing business and how to manage people. For how much longer are we going to accept that the gov needs to be run just by those that have learned politics in uni, been spoon fed party ideals from thier late teens, not have a clue about the real world and are only interested in making backhand deals looking out for each other and be self serving. We vote them in because we all think that we have to vote as people fought to give us those votes. I think it's time that we fought to have the right to put none of the above on a ballet form. Instead the self serving sleaze balls have given us an alternative. Which is only there to serve them and will only serve either labour or conservative because they get most of the votes anyway. Things need to change, the whole of the population needs to start to get a better deal from parliment. As it's just not happening. grumpyandopinionated
  • Score: 23

3:55pm Wed 19 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

Bobevans wrote:
New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change.

a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales[/p][/quote]nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax whatintheworld
  • Score: 9

3:56pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Stevenboy says...

Bobevans wrote:
New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
True. And that will result in persuading anyone with the nous and aspiration to earn more to go elsewhere. Surely Labour's record on tax is sufficient reason not to let the anywhere near tax-raising powers. Because that's all the ever do - raise them.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales[/p][/quote]True. And that will result in persuading anyone with the nous and aspiration to earn more to go elsewhere. Surely Labour's record on tax is sufficient reason not to let the anywhere near tax-raising powers. Because that's all the ever do - raise them. Stevenboy
  • Score: -7

4:00pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

whatintheworld wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change.

a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax
They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales.
A case of 'killing the goose'.
Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales[/p][/quote]nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax[/p][/quote]They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales. A case of 'killing the goose'. Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant? Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -2

4:07pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Frankfurt says...

Magor wrote:
No more excuses get the M4 built now.
But why do we have to pay for it instead of the UK government. If Wales borrows money, Wales has to pay it back. I thought that motorways were a national concern not a regional one.
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: No more excuses get the M4 built now.[/p][/quote]But why do we have to pay for it instead of the UK government. If Wales borrows money, Wales has to pay it back. I thought that motorways were a national concern not a regional one. Frankfurt
  • Score: 16

4:08pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change.

a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax
They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales.
A case of 'killing the goose'.
Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?
Considering only 16000 people in Wales pay the 40 p/c rate now and only 4000 people pay the top rate, it becomes somewhat irrelevant. Disincentivise those and all you're left with is basic rate payers and non-contributors.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales[/p][/quote]nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax[/p][/quote]They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales. A case of 'killing the goose'. Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?[/p][/quote]Considering only 16000 people in Wales pay the 40 p/c rate now and only 4000 people pay the top rate, it becomes somewhat irrelevant. Disincentivise those and all you're left with is basic rate payers and non-contributors. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -6

4:11pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again?
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -6

4:23pm Wed 19 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
Bobevans wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax
They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales. A case of 'killing the goose'. Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?
what are you on about the welfare dependant for?

wealthier people tend to create jobs (this is a huge generalisation). if the wealthier people leave, we may end up with fewer jobs. i get this. i would not support a higher rate of tax in wales than england.

if we end up with fewer jobs, workers are hit. not the "welfare dependant".

to those thinking labour will increase taxes to fund borrowing - youre wrong. scotland has had the power to vary income tax (with no lockstep caviet) for over 10 years. theyve never used it. it aint happenin'
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales[/p][/quote]nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax[/p][/quote]They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales. A case of 'killing the goose'. Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?[/p][/quote]what are you on about the welfare dependant for? wealthier people tend to create jobs (this is a huge generalisation). if the wealthier people leave, we may end up with fewer jobs. i get this. i would not support a higher rate of tax in wales than england. if we end up with fewer jobs, workers are hit. not the "welfare dependant". to those thinking labour will increase taxes to fund borrowing - youre wrong. scotland has had the power to vary income tax (with no lockstep caviet) for over 10 years. theyve never used it. it aint happenin' whatintheworld
  • Score: 10

5:57pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Magor says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again?
Worse off in Wales,Council tax has not gone up for 5 years in most of England.Mine doubled under the last Labour Government.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again?[/p][/quote]Worse off in Wales,Council tax has not gone up for 5 years in most of England.Mine doubled under the last Labour Government. Magor
  • Score: -11

8:30am Thu 20 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment


Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK Bobevans
  • Score: -12

9:28am Thu 20 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

whatintheworld wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
Bobevans wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax
They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales. A case of 'killing the goose'. Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?
what are you on about the welfare dependant for?

wealthier people tend to create jobs (this is a huge generalisation). if the wealthier people leave, we may end up with fewer jobs. i get this. i would not support a higher rate of tax in wales than england.

if we end up with fewer jobs, workers are hit. not the "welfare dependant".

to those thinking labour will increase taxes to fund borrowing - youre wrong. scotland has had the power to vary income tax (with no lockstep caviet) for over 10 years. theyve never used it. it aint happenin'
You may not support a higher rate of tax In Wales, than England, but you may not have the choice.
If Wales were to become self-funding, they would have to get the money from somewhere and as Llanmartinangel points out, there are so few taxpayers able to fulfil this need that they would have little choice in the matter but to raise taxes substantially.
This was the main reason I voted against the Assembly.
My worst fears will have been realised if the WAG ever gets income tax raising powers.
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales[/p][/quote]nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax[/p][/quote]They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales. A case of 'killing the goose'. Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?[/p][/quote]what are you on about the welfare dependant for? wealthier people tend to create jobs (this is a huge generalisation). if the wealthier people leave, we may end up with fewer jobs. i get this. i would not support a higher rate of tax in wales than england. if we end up with fewer jobs, workers are hit. not the "welfare dependant". to those thinking labour will increase taxes to fund borrowing - youre wrong. scotland has had the power to vary income tax (with no lockstep caviet) for over 10 years. theyve never used it. it aint happenin'[/p][/quote]You may not support a higher rate of tax In Wales, than England, but you may not have the choice. If Wales were to become self-funding, they would have to get the money from somewhere and as Llanmartinangel points out, there are so few taxpayers able to fulfil this need that they would have little choice in the matter but to raise taxes substantially. This was the main reason I voted against the Assembly. My worst fears will have been realised if the WAG ever gets income tax raising powers. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -10

1:52pm Thu 20 Mar 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Bobevans wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment


Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK
The childcare stats are a typical example of the tories giving with one hand while taking away with the other.

The current government have cut support for children and familes by £15 billion since they came into office, and these changes don't take account of the fact that childcare costs have spiralled since 2010. The Welsh Government took action as far back as 2007 with Flying Start, but the tories make no reference to this, and flatly rejected the sensible Labour plan for 25 hours free childcare for working parents of 3 and 4 year olds.

You mention more money for business start ups and investment - yet one of Osbourne's first acts as Chancellor was to cut the Annual Investment Allowance for businesses by £75k in 2012.

Never mind though, at least Gideon cut bingo duty. After all, to quote Grant Shapps (the artist formerly known as 'Michael Green') it does give us proles the chance to do the things that we (or to use the tories' words, 'they') enjoy. You couldn't make it up.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK[/p][/quote]The childcare stats are a typical example of the tories giving with one hand while taking away with the other. The current government have cut support for children and familes by £15 billion since they came into office, and these changes don't take account of the fact that childcare costs have spiralled since 2010. The Welsh Government took action as far back as 2007 with Flying Start, but the tories make no reference to this, and flatly rejected the sensible Labour plan for 25 hours free childcare for working parents of 3 and 4 year olds. You mention more money for business start ups and investment - yet one of Osbourne's first acts as Chancellor was to cut the Annual Investment Allowance for businesses by £75k in 2012. Never mind though, at least Gideon cut bingo duty. After all, to quote Grant Shapps (the artist formerly known as 'Michael Green') it does give us proles the chance to do the things that we (or to use the tories' words, 'they') enjoy. You couldn't make it up. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 8

2:02pm Thu 20 Mar 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again?
By rising cost of living Llanmartin Angel, I'm referring to a whole host of things not even mentioned in the budget.

For example
- Energy bills up by £300 since last election
- Incomes down £1,600 on average since last election
- Food Bank usage has trebled since last election
- 900 thousand young people out of work.

Never mind though, at least millionaires are keeping their tax break...
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again?[/p][/quote]By rising cost of living Llanmartin Angel, I'm referring to a whole host of things not even mentioned in the budget. For example - Energy bills up by £300 since last election - Incomes down £1,600 on average since last election - Food Bank usage has trebled since last election - 900 thousand young people out of work. Never mind though, at least millionaires are keeping their tax break... BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 7

3:04pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change.

a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax
They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales.
A case of 'killing the goose'.
Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?
Considering only 16000 people in Wales pay the 40 p/c rate now and only 4000 people pay the top rate, it becomes somewhat irrelevant. Disincentivise those and all you're left with is basic rate payers and non-contributors.
Notice that you are getting minus likes on your post.
However, the truth hurts and they just can't face up to it.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales[/p][/quote]nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax[/p][/quote]They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales. A case of 'killing the goose'. Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?[/p][/quote]Considering only 16000 people in Wales pay the 40 p/c rate now and only 4000 people pay the top rate, it becomes somewhat irrelevant. Disincentivise those and all you're left with is basic rate payers and non-contributors.[/p][/quote]Notice that you are getting minus likes on your post. However, the truth hurts and they just can't face up to it. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 2

8:35am Fri 21 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again?
By rising cost of living Llanmartin Angel, I'm referring to a whole host of things not even mentioned in the budget.

For example
- Energy bills up by £300 since last election
- Incomes down £1,600 on average since last election
- Food Bank usage has trebled since last election
- 900 thousand young people out of work.

Never mind though, at least millionaires are keeping their tax break...
'Never mind though, at least millionaires are keeping their tax break...'

At least get your facts straight BCF. The top 10% earners will pay two thirds of ALL the income tax collected in the UK. That may look like a tax break to you but it clearly won't to them.

http://www.ft.com/cm
s/s/0/2c5553b8-aa10-
11e3-8497-00144feab7
de.html#axzz2waHTaZO
B
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again?[/p][/quote]By rising cost of living Llanmartin Angel, I'm referring to a whole host of things not even mentioned in the budget. For example - Energy bills up by £300 since last election - Incomes down £1,600 on average since last election - Food Bank usage has trebled since last election - 900 thousand young people out of work. Never mind though, at least millionaires are keeping their tax break...[/p][/quote]'Never mind though, at least millionaires are keeping their tax break...' At least get your facts straight BCF. The top 10% earners will pay two thirds of ALL the income tax collected in the UK. That may look like a tax break to you but it clearly won't to them. http://www.ft.com/cm s/s/0/2c5553b8-aa10- 11e3-8497-00144feab7 de.html#axzz2waHTaZO B Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 3

9:45am Fri 21 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

Is all this tweeting really necessary in the Argus ? Surely a link would do ? As the Argus has a Twitter thing why don't readers just go there. I think again the senior citizens right to blow all their savings is going to cost us all, they are living longer, and if they blow savings on holidays and homes and cars whatever and end up broke again guess who has to pay them state pensions ? One suspects it is a short term ploy to get pensioners to spend there money so the retail sales look good on statistics, when they get voted out as tories will, whoever gets in has to pick up the tab. We could see thousands of old people broke and with no recourse but to rely on the state again,given the appalling treatment the state gives elderly few would blame for having fun while they can, and especially as Insurance/Annuities areas are ripping them off at every opportunity..
Is all this tweeting really necessary in the Argus ? Surely a link would do ? As the Argus has a Twitter thing why don't readers just go there. I think again the senior citizens right to blow all their savings is going to cost us all, they are living longer, and if they blow savings on holidays and homes and cars whatever and end up broke again guess who has to pay them state pensions ? One suspects it is a short term ploy to get pensioners to spend there money so the retail sales look good on statistics, when they get voted out as tories will, whoever gets in has to pick up the tab. We could see thousands of old people broke and with no recourse but to rely on the state again,given the appalling treatment the state gives elderly few would blame for having fun while they can, and especially as Insurance/Annuities areas are ripping them off at every opportunity.. Mervyn James
  • Score: -2

10:30am Fri 21 Mar 14

Lliswerry Man says...

What I like here, is how two names consistantly rant about how much "millionaires" pay towards the state, but FAIL to mention how many Millionaires/Billion
aires , USE tax breaks abroad or illegal off shore tax havens to hide their money, YET want to stay trading in the UK for the wealth it allows them to create.

Then we get told if we tax them more they will take their businesses abroad.... Well Let Them... many who have, find the import duties are no fun either.... especially those who like to use 3rd world sweat shops.

BUT the same Two Comrades on here, JUMP at the first chance to slate Labour, or people on low incomes, but themselves choose to live here?.... as they say, if you do not like the state with which you live and you will never change it, do not let the door hit you on the way out.
What I like here, is how two names consistantly rant about how much "millionaires" pay towards the state, but FAIL to mention how many Millionaires/Billion aires , USE tax breaks abroad or illegal off shore tax havens to hide their money, YET want to stay trading in the UK for the wealth it allows them to create. Then we get told if we tax them more they will take their businesses abroad.... Well Let Them... many who have, find the import duties are no fun either.... especially those who like to use 3rd world sweat shops. BUT the same Two Comrades on here, JUMP at the first chance to slate Labour, or people on low incomes, but themselves choose to live here?.... as they say, if you do not like the state with which you live and you will never change it, do not let the door hit you on the way out. Lliswerry Man
  • Score: 0

11:40am Fri 21 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Lliswerry Man wrote:
What I like here, is how two names consistantly rant about how much "millionaires" pay towards the state, but FAIL to mention how many Millionaires/Billion

aires , USE tax breaks abroad or illegal off shore tax havens to hide their money, YET want to stay trading in the UK for the wealth it allows them to create.

Then we get told if we tax them more they will take their businesses abroad.... Well Let Them... many who have, find the import duties are no fun either.... especially those who like to use 3rd world sweat shops.

BUT the same Two Comrades on here, JUMP at the first chance to slate Labour, or people on low incomes, but themselves choose to live here?.... as they say, if you do not like the state with which you live and you will never change it, do not let the door hit you on the way out.
It's a democracy, or was last time I looked, i.e. other opinions than yours permitted. The 'live somewhere else' argument doesn't cut it.
[quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: What I like here, is how two names consistantly rant about how much "millionaires" pay towards the state, but FAIL to mention how many Millionaires/Billion aires , USE tax breaks abroad or illegal off shore tax havens to hide their money, YET want to stay trading in the UK for the wealth it allows them to create. Then we get told if we tax them more they will take their businesses abroad.... Well Let Them... many who have, find the import duties are no fun either.... especially those who like to use 3rd world sweat shops. BUT the same Two Comrades on here, JUMP at the first chance to slate Labour, or people on low incomes, but themselves choose to live here?.... as they say, if you do not like the state with which you live and you will never change it, do not let the door hit you on the way out.[/p][/quote]It's a democracy, or was last time I looked, i.e. other opinions than yours permitted. The 'live somewhere else' argument doesn't cut it. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 7

1:18pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Lliswerry Man says...

Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up.

You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things.

Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives.

There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.
Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up. You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things. Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives. There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them. Lliswerry Man
  • Score: -5

6:02pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Lliswerry Man wrote:
Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up.

You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things.

Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives.

There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.
Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.
[quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up. You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things. Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives. There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.[/p][/quote]Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

11:32am Sun 23 Mar 14

scraptheWAG says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Lliswerry Man wrote:
Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up.

You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things.

Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives.

There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.
Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.
I dont think the people that vote for labour really care labour about taxes i would imagine most dont pay any sitting at home all day claiming to be too depressed/ stressed to work!!
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up. You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things. Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives. There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.[/p][/quote]Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.[/p][/quote]I dont think the people that vote for labour really care labour about taxes i would imagine most dont pay any sitting at home all day claiming to be too depressed/ stressed to work!! scraptheWAG
  • Score: 0

1:23pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Bobevans wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment


Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK
And you get minused for pointing this out?
The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK[/p][/quote]And you get minused for pointing this out? The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 0

1:26pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Lliswerry Man wrote:
Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up.

You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things.

Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives.

There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.
Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.
Just wait for your score to go minus once the no-hopers have read it.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up. You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things. Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives. There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.[/p][/quote]Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.[/p][/quote]Just wait for your score to go minus once the no-hopers have read it. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 0

2:19pm Mon 24 Mar 14

gathin says...

12 sided coin?
12 stars on EU flag?
12 tribes of Israel?
Wonder who's actually running the show,eh?
12 sided coin? 12 stars on EU flag? 12 tribes of Israel? Wonder who's actually running the show,eh? gathin
  • Score: 1

5:03pm Mon 24 Mar 14

endthelies says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment


Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK
And you get minused for pointing this out?
The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed.
After all the minuses I get off you lot for pointing out the truth about the Tories, its nice to see you getting some back!
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK[/p][/quote]And you get minused for pointing this out? The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed.[/p][/quote]After all the minuses I get off you lot for pointing out the truth about the Tories, its nice to see you getting some back! endthelies
  • Score: -1

6:05pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment


Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK
And you get minused for pointing this out?
The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed.
After all the minuses I get off you lot for pointing out the truth about the Tories, its nice to see you getting some back!
'Your' truth, not THE truth. Subtle difference.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK[/p][/quote]And you get minused for pointing this out? The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed.[/p][/quote]After all the minuses I get off you lot for pointing out the truth about the Tories, its nice to see you getting some back![/p][/quote]'Your' truth, not THE truth. Subtle difference. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Mon 24 Mar 14

endthelies says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment


Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK
And you get minused for pointing this out?
The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed.
After all the minuses I get off you lot for pointing out the truth about the Tories, its nice to see you getting some back!
'Your' truth, not THE truth. Subtle difference.
I always back up my arguments with FACTS, which you choose to ignore. The Truth is out there !!!!!!!!!!!! Just google it.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK[/p][/quote]And you get minused for pointing this out? The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed.[/p][/quote]After all the minuses I get off you lot for pointing out the truth about the Tories, its nice to see you getting some back![/p][/quote]'Your' truth, not THE truth. Subtle difference.[/p][/quote]I always back up my arguments with FACTS, which you choose to ignore. The Truth is out there !!!!!!!!!!!! Just google it. endthelies
  • Score: 0

10:38am Tue 25 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Lliswerry Man wrote:
Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up.

You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things.

Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives.

There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.
Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.
If Carwyn thinks he can run a high tax, large public sector, low productivity economy in Wales he is very deluded
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up. You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things. Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives. There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.[/p][/quote]Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.[/p][/quote]If Carwyn thinks he can run a high tax, large public sector, low productivity economy in Wales he is very deluded Bobevans
  • Score: -1

10:38am Tue 25 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Lliswerry Man wrote:
Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up.

You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things.

Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives.

There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.
Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.
If Carwyn thinks he can run a high tax, large public sector, low productivity economy in Wales he is very deluded
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up. You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things. Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives. There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.[/p][/quote]Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.[/p][/quote]If Carwyn thinks he can run a high tax, large public sector, low productivity economy in Wales he is very deluded Bobevans
  • Score: -1

11:26am Tue 25 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Bobevans wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Lliswerry Man wrote:
Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up.

You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things.

Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives.

There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.
Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.
If Carwyn thinks he can run a high tax, large public sector, low productivity economy in Wales he is very deluded
That is exactly what a Labour government would do.
They will tax the workers and give it to the shirkers.
I wish we could have another referendum on the Assembly so that I can vote 'no' again.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up. You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things. Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives. There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.[/p][/quote]Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.[/p][/quote]If Carwyn thinks he can run a high tax, large public sector, low productivity economy in Wales he is very deluded[/p][/quote]That is exactly what a Labour government would do. They will tax the workers and give it to the shirkers. I wish we could have another referendum on the Assembly so that I can vote 'no' again. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -1

3:02pm Tue 25 Mar 14

ngtarr says...

contrary to what most people say, the economy in the uk IS in fact recovering, however clear signs of the recovery will not take place until after the next generel election. whilst the cuts are not popular for some it is helping the economy. i read on the bbc's website that the uk will be out of deficit by 2018-2019. i don't know who claims that people are £1600 wrse off under the current governent as since the last general election, low and mid pay workers have had an income tax CUT of £800, more appretisips have been created and pupil premiums for children from poorer backgrounds. most of this effort has been down to the lib dems in government.
contrary to what most people say, the economy in the uk IS in fact recovering, however clear signs of the recovery will not take place until after the next generel election. whilst the cuts are not popular for some it is helping the economy. i read on the bbc's website that the uk will be out of deficit by 2018-2019. i don't know who claims that people are £1600 wrse off under the current governent as since the last general election, low and mid pay workers have had an income tax CUT of £800, more appretisips have been created [not so much in wales as in england] and pupil premiums for children from poorer backgrounds. most of this effort has been down to the lib dems in government. ngtarr
  • Score: 3

6:11pm Tue 25 Mar 14

welshmen says...

The only people who never complain on here about the rich are the rich, they blame the poor for everything, no ones better off, only the rich, never hear of anyone on here saying they have a problem finding the money to pay their way, but are quick to pour scorn on any party that want the poor to get out of poverty, it's the "i'am all right jack" liblabcon voters who are ALL to blame for the crap we are in, no matter how many statistic **** googled reports they get, they are the problem but cant admit it, they support the brainwashing media and our leftest BBC they follow it just like the rats at Hamelin with Dave the Pied piper at the head..

Labour must never get into power again or the Conservative's, libdems have no chance of even retaining their deposits in the next election, the British National Party or UKIP to make the next Government, they would reduces all the problems caused by the LABCONLIB and make Briton Great again, Briton for the British NOT the rest of the world....Progressive Liberals, you want immigrants so much have them stay at your houses at your expense NOT ours...

40 jobs advertised at Aldi chain store in Shropshire 1500 people applied, Vince Cable says we WANT MORE immigrants, these are the people killing our Country the LIB DEMS CON Government....
The only people who never complain on here about the rich are the rich, they blame the poor for everything, no ones better off, only the rich, never hear of anyone on here saying they have a problem finding the money to pay their way, but are quick to pour scorn on any party that want the poor to get out of poverty, it's the "i'am all right jack" liblabcon voters who are ALL to blame for the crap we are in, no matter how many statistic **** googled reports they get, they are the problem but cant admit it, they support the brainwashing media and our leftest BBC they follow it just like the rats at Hamelin with Dave the Pied piper at the head.. Labour must never get into power again or the Conservative's, libdems have no chance of even retaining their deposits in the next election, the British National Party or UKIP to make the next Government, they would reduces all the problems caused by the LABCONLIB and make Briton Great again, Briton for the British NOT the rest of the world....Progressive Liberals, you want immigrants so much have them stay at your houses at your expense NOT ours... 40 jobs advertised at Aldi chain store in Shropshire 1500 people applied, Vince Cable says we WANT MORE immigrants, these are the people killing our Country the LIB DEMS CON Government.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

8:49am Wed 26 Mar 14

Lliswerry Man says...

To show how misguided most of you TORY buffoons are on here, with your political nonsense, take an hour or so of your time, and watch a film/documentary called "inequality for all" it explains a lot about what is happening not only here in the UK but worldwide.
And has NOTHING to do with the party political drivel you all like to spout, this "us and them" pathetic playground talk.

Unless you have been on the bottom rung of the ladder you have no idea what it is like to survive, the same as those on the bottom rung of the ladder have no idea what it is like to be at the top of it.

No wonder there are world wars , when even local people JUDGE each other over their Financial status.... sad times indeed.
To show how misguided most of you TORY buffoons are on here, with your political nonsense, take an hour or so of your time, and watch a film/documentary called "inequality for all" it explains a lot about what is happening not only here in the UK but worldwide. And has NOTHING to do with the party political drivel you all like to spout, this "us and them" pathetic playground talk. Unless you have been on the bottom rung of the ladder you have no idea what it is like to survive, the same as those on the bottom rung of the ladder have no idea what it is like to be at the top of it. No wonder there are world wars , when even local people JUDGE each other over their Financial status.... sad times indeed. Lliswerry Man
  • Score: -1

9:13am Wed 26 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Lliswerry Man wrote:
To show how misguided most of you TORY buffoons are on here, with your political nonsense, take an hour or so of your time, and watch a film/documentary called "inequality for all" it explains a lot about what is happening not only here in the UK but worldwide.
And has NOTHING to do with the party political drivel you all like to spout, this "us and them" pathetic playground talk.

Unless you have been on the bottom rung of the ladder you have no idea what it is like to survive, the same as those on the bottom rung of the ladder have no idea what it is like to be at the top of it.

No wonder there are world wars , when even local people JUDGE each other over their Financial status.... sad times indeed.
And you think that the LABOUR bufoons have all the answers then do you?
Look at Tony B Liar and his cronies.
Politicians think only of themselves and that includes the vast majority of Labour ones.
It's everyone for himself in this world I am afraid.
Look at the Kinnock's, now they are a good example of what you despise. Although I see you make no mention of these so-called Socialists who are definitely not on the bottom rung of the ladder.
There will always be inequality, there is and never will be such a thing as a 'perfect world'.
[quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: To show how misguided most of you TORY buffoons are on here, with your political nonsense, take an hour or so of your time, and watch a film/documentary called "inequality for all" it explains a lot about what is happening not only here in the UK but worldwide. And has NOTHING to do with the party political drivel you all like to spout, this "us and them" pathetic playground talk. Unless you have been on the bottom rung of the ladder you have no idea what it is like to survive, the same as those on the bottom rung of the ladder have no idea what it is like to be at the top of it. No wonder there are world wars , when even local people JUDGE each other over their Financial status.... sad times indeed.[/p][/quote]And you think that the LABOUR bufoons have all the answers then do you? Look at Tony B Liar and his cronies. Politicians think only of themselves and that includes the vast majority of Labour ones. It's everyone for himself in this world I am afraid. Look at the Kinnock's, now they are a good example of what you despise. Although I see you make no mention of these so-called Socialists who are definitely not on the bottom rung of the ladder. There will always be inequality, there is and never will be such a thing as a 'perfect world'. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -1

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