Largest alcohol seizure in Wales

First published in News

HM REVENUE and Customs (HMRC) has seized over 169,000 litres of illicit alcohol, in what is believed to be the largest ever seizure of its kind in Wales on the eastern outskirts of Cardiff.

It is estimated that the wine, beer and spirits are worth £303,000 in lost duty and taxes.

A man from Cardiff has been arrested, according to HMRC.

HMRC officers searched an industrial unit in a business park in Cardiff on Tuesday where they discovered enough illicit alcohol to fill over eight, 40ft containers. The alcohol was packed onto pallets, which HMRC suspects were ready to be distributed throughout South Wales.

Colin Spinks, assistant director of criminal investigation at HMRC said: “This seizure has prevented nearly 170,000 litres of illicit alcohol entering the legitimate market, helping to protect honest businesses whose livelihoods are threatened by this unregulated activity.

“We are committed to stopping this criminal activity that costs the taxpayer around £1.2 billion in unpaid revenue each year and I would urge anyone with any information on the sale of illegal alcohol to contact us on the Customs Hotline on 0800 59 5000.”

The man has been released on bail and investigations are continuing.

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6:15pm Sat 22 Mar 14

arjwain says...

maybe if things were cheaper in ~( THIS COUNTRY ) they would not bring it back to Britain . when i say bring it back some of the stuff was made here or brewed here and we pay triple the price for it here.. ...
maybe if things were cheaper in ~( THIS COUNTRY ) they would not bring it back to Britain . when i say bring it back some of the stuff was made here or brewed here and we pay triple the price for it here.. ... arjwain
  • Score: 10

12:26pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

Thank God for the Beer and Bingo budget, now we can put a stop to all that.
Thank God for the Beer and Bingo budget, now we can put a stop to all that. Mervyn James
  • Score: -1

3:26pm Sun 23 Mar 14

jimmysmith says...

if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever
if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever jimmysmith
  • Score: 1

4:58pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

jimmysmith wrote:
if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever
Spot on. And it's not "illicit"-it wasn't knocked up in a still by the Dukes of Hazzard. It will have been bought in a sane country which does not tax everything to death. And there's no loss to the Revenue, because the people who buy it wouldn't have paid the lunatic prices that pertain in Britain. Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away.
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever[/p][/quote]Spot on. And it's not "illicit"-it wasn't knocked up in a still by the Dukes of Hazzard. It will have been bought in a sane country which does not tax everything to death. And there's no loss to the Revenue, because the people who buy it wouldn't have paid the lunatic prices that pertain in Britain. Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away. Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

12:02pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Gareth says...

Dai Rear wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever
Spot on. And it's not "illicit"-it wasn't knocked up in a still by the Dukes of Hazzard. It will have been bought in a sane country which does not tax everything to death. And there's no loss to the Revenue, because the people who buy it wouldn't have paid the lunatic prices that pertain in Britain. Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away.
Interesting point of view!

Are you saying that if we can find something abroad - that is also available, but more expensive in this country - then there is nothing wrong with paying for the cheaper foreign import and using it here?

I know it's cheaper for you personally, but what about the cost, in terms of livelihood, to those people selling the more expensive UK version?
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever[/p][/quote]Spot on. And it's not "illicit"-it wasn't knocked up in a still by the Dukes of Hazzard. It will have been bought in a sane country which does not tax everything to death. And there's no loss to the Revenue, because the people who buy it wouldn't have paid the lunatic prices that pertain in Britain. Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away.[/p][/quote]Interesting point of view! Are you saying that if we can find something abroad - that is also available, but more expensive in this country - then there is nothing wrong with paying for the cheaper foreign import and using it here? I know it's cheaper for you personally, but what about the cost, in terms of livelihood, to those people selling the more expensive UK version? Gareth
  • Score: 0

1:35pm Mon 24 Mar 14

jimmysmith says...

Gareth wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever
Spot on. And it's not "illicit"-it wasn't knocked up in a still by the Dukes of Hazzard. It will have been bought in a sane country which does not tax everything to death. And there's no loss to the Revenue, because the people who buy it wouldn't have paid the lunatic prices that pertain in Britain. Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away.
Interesting point of view!

Are you saying that if we can find something abroad - that is also available, but more expensive in this country - then there is nothing wrong with paying for the cheaper foreign import and using it here?

I know it's cheaper for you personally, but what about the cost, in terms of livelihood, to those people selling the more expensive UK version?
well there would be no cost would there in livelihood to any one would there . id certainly buy any product from the cheapest source and why not ? only a fool would buy from the more expensive source .as for buying the more expensive version in this country due to grossly inflated taxes etc .joe public doesnt benefit in any way what so ever from this government or any previous governments in that department due to inflated taxes .This is rip of britain mate and its every man for himself .
[quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever[/p][/quote]Spot on. And it's not "illicit"-it wasn't knocked up in a still by the Dukes of Hazzard. It will have been bought in a sane country which does not tax everything to death. And there's no loss to the Revenue, because the people who buy it wouldn't have paid the lunatic prices that pertain in Britain. Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away.[/p][/quote]Interesting point of view! Are you saying that if we can find something abroad - that is also available, but more expensive in this country - then there is nothing wrong with paying for the cheaper foreign import and using it here? I know it's cheaper for you personally, but what about the cost, in terms of livelihood, to those people selling the more expensive UK version?[/p][/quote]well there would be no cost would there in livelihood to any one would there . id certainly buy any product from the cheapest source and why not ? only a fool would buy from the more expensive source .as for buying the more expensive version in this country due to grossly inflated taxes etc .joe public doesnt benefit in any way what so ever from this government or any previous governments in that department due to inflated taxes .This is rip of britain mate and its every man for himself . jimmysmith
  • Score: 0

1:42pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Gareth says...

jimmysmith wrote:
Gareth wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever
Spot on. And it's not "illicit"-it wasn't knocked up in a still by the Dukes of Hazzard. It will have been bought in a sane country which does not tax everything to death. And there's no loss to the Revenue, because the people who buy it wouldn't have paid the lunatic prices that pertain in Britain. Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away.
Interesting point of view!

Are you saying that if we can find something abroad - that is also available, but more expensive in this country - then there is nothing wrong with paying for the cheaper foreign import and using it here?

I know it's cheaper for you personally, but what about the cost, in terms of livelihood, to those people selling the more expensive UK version?
well there would be no cost would there in livelihood to any one would there . id certainly buy any product from the cheapest source and why not ? only a fool would buy from the more expensive source .as for buying the more expensive version in this country due to grossly inflated taxes etc .joe public doesnt benefit in any way what so ever from this government or any previous governments in that department due to inflated taxes .This is rip of britain mate and its every man for himself .
But there WOULD be a cost to livelihoods here - those people who supply it legally at UK prices won't be able to compete with those who are selling it at import prices. Their livelihoods will be decimated.

Do you think that's fair?
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever[/p][/quote]Spot on. And it's not "illicit"-it wasn't knocked up in a still by the Dukes of Hazzard. It will have been bought in a sane country which does not tax everything to death. And there's no loss to the Revenue, because the people who buy it wouldn't have paid the lunatic prices that pertain in Britain. Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away.[/p][/quote]Interesting point of view! Are you saying that if we can find something abroad - that is also available, but more expensive in this country - then there is nothing wrong with paying for the cheaper foreign import and using it here? I know it's cheaper for you personally, but what about the cost, in terms of livelihood, to those people selling the more expensive UK version?[/p][/quote]well there would be no cost would there in livelihood to any one would there . id certainly buy any product from the cheapest source and why not ? only a fool would buy from the more expensive source .as for buying the more expensive version in this country due to grossly inflated taxes etc .joe public doesnt benefit in any way what so ever from this government or any previous governments in that department due to inflated taxes .This is rip of britain mate and its every man for himself .[/p][/quote]But there WOULD be a cost to livelihoods here - those people who supply it legally at UK prices won't be able to compete with those who are selling it at import prices. Their livelihoods will be decimated. Do you think that's fair? Gareth
  • Score: 2

2:03pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Gareth says...

So its:

Every man for himself
It's the Government's fault for minimum pricing/tax
I'd be crazy not to go for the cheaper version from abroad
It's a bit dodgy, but who cares.
It does the same job so who cares.
Who cares about the livelihoods of the UK worker who will lose out
Who cares that the tax I'd normally pay is lost to the nation.
I'm alright jack and that's what matters.

That's a fair enough point and you are absolutely entitled to hold such a principled stance.

One thing though: just replace 'alcohol' with 'worker'...

The next time we see a story about illegal immigrants found working in a restaurant, I'm looking forward to your stout defence of the employer.
So its: Every man for himself It's the Government's fault for minimum pricing/tax I'd be crazy not to go for the cheaper version from abroad It's a bit dodgy, but who cares. It does the same job so who cares. Who cares about the livelihoods of the UK worker who will lose out Who cares that the tax I'd normally pay is lost to the nation. I'm alright jack and that's what matters. That's a fair enough point and you are absolutely entitled to hold such a principled stance. One thing though: just replace 'alcohol' with 'worker'... The next time we see a story about illegal immigrants found working in a restaurant, I'm looking forward to your stout defence of the employer. Gareth
  • Score: 4

4:20pm Mon 24 Mar 14

jimmysmith says...

Gareth wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
Gareth wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever
Spot on. And it's not "illicit"-it wasn't knocked up in a still by the Dukes of Hazzard. It will have been bought in a sane country which does not tax everything to death. And there's no loss to the Revenue, because the people who buy it wouldn't have paid the lunatic prices that pertain in Britain. Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away.
Interesting point of view!

Are you saying that if we can find something abroad - that is also available, but more expensive in this country - then there is nothing wrong with paying for the cheaper foreign import and using it here?

I know it's cheaper for you personally, but what about the cost, in terms of livelihood, to those people selling the more expensive UK version?
well there would be no cost would there in livelihood to any one would there . id certainly buy any product from the cheapest source and why not ? only a fool would buy from the more expensive source .as for buying the more expensive version in this country due to grossly inflated taxes etc .joe public doesnt benefit in any way what so ever from this government or any previous governments in that department due to inflated taxes .This is rip of britain mate and its every man for himself .
But there WOULD be a cost to livelihoods here - those people who supply it legally at UK prices won't be able to compete with those who are selling it at import prices. Their livelihoods will be decimated.

Do you think that's fair?
dont talk such rubbish man .if its spirits or english ales it was made here anyway if its wines etc its brewed abroad . theres no losers thats just government and government mouth pieces propaganda and if any government wants any loyalty from me then my answer would be stop giving my taxes away in foreign aide and give british jobs to british people and until thats done then your argument as futile as it is doesnt even get of the ground. as for any judge quoting any losses to the revenue dept then they should look at the huge fees they and all barristers take from the public purse by way of legal aide absolutely extortionate fees
[quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever[/p][/quote]Spot on. And it's not "illicit"-it wasn't knocked up in a still by the Dukes of Hazzard. It will have been bought in a sane country which does not tax everything to death. And there's no loss to the Revenue, because the people who buy it wouldn't have paid the lunatic prices that pertain in Britain. Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away.[/p][/quote]Interesting point of view! Are you saying that if we can find something abroad - that is also available, but more expensive in this country - then there is nothing wrong with paying for the cheaper foreign import and using it here? I know it's cheaper for you personally, but what about the cost, in terms of livelihood, to those people selling the more expensive UK version?[/p][/quote]well there would be no cost would there in livelihood to any one would there . id certainly buy any product from the cheapest source and why not ? only a fool would buy from the more expensive source .as for buying the more expensive version in this country due to grossly inflated taxes etc .joe public doesnt benefit in any way what so ever from this government or any previous governments in that department due to inflated taxes .This is rip of britain mate and its every man for himself .[/p][/quote]But there WOULD be a cost to livelihoods here - those people who supply it legally at UK prices won't be able to compete with those who are selling it at import prices. Their livelihoods will be decimated. Do you think that's fair?[/p][/quote]dont talk such rubbish man .if its spirits or english ales it was made here anyway if its wines etc its brewed abroad . theres no losers thats just government and government mouth pieces propaganda and if any government wants any loyalty from me then my answer would be stop giving my taxes away in foreign aide and give british jobs to british people and until thats done then your argument as futile as it is doesnt even get of the ground. as for any judge quoting any losses to the revenue dept then they should look at the huge fees they and all barristers take from the public purse by way of legal aide absolutely extortionate fees jimmysmith
  • Score: 0

7:26am Tue 25 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

Gareth wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever
Spot on. And it's not "illicit"-it wasn't knocked up in a still by the Dukes of Hazzard. It will have been bought in a sane country which does not tax everything to death. And there's no loss to the Revenue, because the people who buy it wouldn't have paid the lunatic prices that pertain in Britain. Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away.
Interesting point of view!

Are you saying that if we can find something abroad - that is also available, but more expensive in this country - then there is nothing wrong with paying for the cheaper foreign import and using it here?

I know it's cheaper for you personally, but what about the cost, in terms of livelihood, to those people selling the more expensive UK version?
" huge fees they and all barristers take from the public purse by way of legal aide absolutely extortionate fees "Moot point, which I won't pursue but the State has certainly wasted megabucks on "TV announcer may have touched me 6 decades ago, or not, as the case may be, and it was so important that I never thought about it till I got my bus pass" or "she did/did not listen in to Lord 2 Jags calling Domino's to order another 2 dozen pizza because he was hungry"
[quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever[/p][/quote]Spot on. And it's not "illicit"-it wasn't knocked up in a still by the Dukes of Hazzard. It will have been bought in a sane country which does not tax everything to death. And there's no loss to the Revenue, because the people who buy it wouldn't have paid the lunatic prices that pertain in Britain. Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away.[/p][/quote]Interesting point of view! Are you saying that if we can find something abroad - that is also available, but more expensive in this country - then there is nothing wrong with paying for the cheaper foreign import and using it here? I know it's cheaper for you personally, but what about the cost, in terms of livelihood, to those people selling the more expensive UK version?[/p][/quote]" huge fees they and all barristers take from the public purse by way of legal aide absolutely extortionate fees "Moot point, which I won't pursue but the State has certainly wasted megabucks on "TV announcer may have touched me 6 decades ago, or not, as the case may be, and it was so important that I never thought about it till I got my bus pass" or "she did/did not listen in to Lord 2 Jags calling Domino's to order another 2 dozen pizza because he was hungry" Dai Rear
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8:41am Tue 25 Mar 14

Gareth says...

jimmysmith wrote:
Gareth wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
Gareth wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever
Spot on. And it's not "illicit"-it wasn't knocked up in a still by the Dukes of Hazzard. It will have been bought in a sane country which does not tax everything to death. And there's no loss to the Revenue, because the people who buy it wouldn't have paid the lunatic prices that pertain in Britain. Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away.
Interesting point of view!

Are you saying that if we can find something abroad - that is also available, but more expensive in this country - then there is nothing wrong with paying for the cheaper foreign import and using it here?

I know it's cheaper for you personally, but what about the cost, in terms of livelihood, to those people selling the more expensive UK version?
well there would be no cost would there in livelihood to any one would there . id certainly buy any product from the cheapest source and why not ? only a fool would buy from the more expensive source .as for buying the more expensive version in this country due to grossly inflated taxes etc .joe public doesnt benefit in any way what so ever from this government or any previous governments in that department due to inflated taxes .This is rip of britain mate and its every man for himself .
But there WOULD be a cost to livelihoods here - those people who supply it legally at UK prices won't be able to compete with those who are selling it at import prices. Their livelihoods will be decimated.

Do you think that's fair?
dont talk such rubbish man .if its spirits or english ales it was made here anyway if its wines etc its brewed abroad . theres no losers thats just government and government mouth pieces propaganda and if any government wants any loyalty from me then my answer would be stop giving my taxes away in foreign aide and give british jobs to british people and until thats done then your argument as futile as it is doesnt even get of the ground. as for any judge quoting any losses to the revenue dept then they should look at the huge fees they and all barristers take from the public purse by way of legal aide absolutely extortionate fees
I'm not sure what barrister rates have to do with it. I'm actually interested in whether your view on buying cheaper illegal things from abroad is a principled one that you think we should all do.

I'll use the same example again: there is a story in the Argus that an employer has used cheap illegal workers rather than his more expensive UK equivalent. He says it's the government's fault for making local workers so expensive (minimum wage), and uses this as an excuse:

"If any government wants any loyalty from me then my answer would be stop giving my taxes away in foreign aide.

"As for any judge quoting any losses to the revenue dept then they should look at the huge fees they and all barristers take from the public purse by way of legal aide absolutely extortionate fees."

Would your comment on that post be: "Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away."?
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: if we wernt ripped of in this country then people wouldnt have to buy smuggled goods . shame they were caught i say and what a load of tosh there was all this money lost in revenue .there was nothing lost what so ever[/p][/quote]Spot on. And it's not "illicit"-it wasn't knocked up in a still by the Dukes of Hazzard. It will have been bought in a sane country which does not tax everything to death. And there's no loss to the Revenue, because the people who buy it wouldn't have paid the lunatic prices that pertain in Britain. Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away.[/p][/quote]Interesting point of view! Are you saying that if we can find something abroad - that is also available, but more expensive in this country - then there is nothing wrong with paying for the cheaper foreign import and using it here? I know it's cheaper for you personally, but what about the cost, in terms of livelihood, to those people selling the more expensive UK version?[/p][/quote]well there would be no cost would there in livelihood to any one would there . id certainly buy any product from the cheapest source and why not ? only a fool would buy from the more expensive source .as for buying the more expensive version in this country due to grossly inflated taxes etc .joe public doesnt benefit in any way what so ever from this government or any previous governments in that department due to inflated taxes .This is rip of britain mate and its every man for himself .[/p][/quote]But there WOULD be a cost to livelihoods here - those people who supply it legally at UK prices won't be able to compete with those who are selling it at import prices. Their livelihoods will be decimated. Do you think that's fair?[/p][/quote]dont talk such rubbish man .if its spirits or english ales it was made here anyway if its wines etc its brewed abroad . theres no losers thats just government and government mouth pieces propaganda and if any government wants any loyalty from me then my answer would be stop giving my taxes away in foreign aide and give british jobs to british people and until thats done then your argument as futile as it is doesnt even get of the ground. as for any judge quoting any losses to the revenue dept then they should look at the huge fees they and all barristers take from the public purse by way of legal aide absolutely extortionate fees[/p][/quote]I'm not sure what barrister rates have to do with it. I'm actually interested in whether your view on buying cheaper illegal things from abroad is a principled one that you think we should all do. I'll use the same example again: there is a story in the Argus that an employer has used cheap illegal workers rather than his more expensive UK equivalent. He says it's the government's fault for making local workers so expensive (minimum wage), and uses this as an excuse: "If any government wants any loyalty from me then my answer would be stop giving my taxes away in foreign aide. "As for any judge quoting any losses to the revenue dept then they should look at the huge fees they and all barristers take from the public purse by way of legal aide absolutely extortionate fees." Would your comment on that post be: "Good luck to entrepreneurs and I hope whoever bubbled the bloke up sees his tiny private parts shrivel right away."? Gareth
  • Score: 1

8:49am Tue 25 Mar 14

jimmysmith says...

a little confusing your last post Gareth .every thing ok this morning chap?
a little confusing your last post Gareth .every thing ok this morning chap? jimmysmith
  • Score: -1

9:38am Tue 25 Mar 14

Gareth says...

Sorry for the confusion Jimmy!

You've been arguing that the government is making everything so expensive, and wasting our nation's cash, to the degree where it's everyone for themselves; that we should stand up for entrepreneurs who supply us with things as cheaply as they can, even if this means breaking the law. (Did I get that right?)

I was just wondering if you'd support someone else using the same reasoning - in this case a restaurant owner.

Hope that makes sense.
Sorry for the confusion Jimmy! You've been arguing that the government is making everything so expensive, and wasting our nation's cash, to the degree where it's everyone for themselves; that we should stand up for entrepreneurs who supply us with things as cheaply as they can, even if this means breaking the law. (Did I get that right?) I was just wondering if you'd support someone else using the same reasoning - in this case a restaurant owner. Hope that makes sense. Gareth
  • Score: 1

11:59am Tue 25 Mar 14

jimmysmith says...

Gareth wrote:
Sorry for the confusion Jimmy!

You've been arguing that the government is making everything so expensive, and wasting our nation's cash, to the degree where it's everyone for themselves; that we should stand up for entrepreneurs who supply us with things as cheaply as they can, even if this means breaking the law. (Did I get that right?)

I was just wondering if you'd support someone else using the same reasoning - in this case a restaurant owner.

Hope that makes sense.
whos law are they breaking Gareth ? The very harshly forced upon us tax laws that the politicians force upon us ? yes im all for people ignoring them .would i support a restaurant employing cheap foreign labour ? no most definately not ..The high taxes in this country are just shafting the working classes cheap foreign labour is just shafting the working classes and depriving us of jobs .so i hope that answers your questions Gareth whilst we are on the subject of cheap drink Gareth whats your opinion of these same politicians having all theyre drink free at the house of commons courtesy of the tax payer and being able to drink it all day. whilst in work ? it dont come any cheaper than gratis
[quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: Sorry for the confusion Jimmy! You've been arguing that the government is making everything so expensive, and wasting our nation's cash, to the degree where it's everyone for themselves; that we should stand up for entrepreneurs who supply us with things as cheaply as they can, even if this means breaking the law. (Did I get that right?) I was just wondering if you'd support someone else using the same reasoning - in this case a restaurant owner. Hope that makes sense.[/p][/quote]whos law are they breaking Gareth ? The very harshly forced upon us tax laws that the politicians force upon us ? yes im all for people ignoring them .would i support a restaurant employing cheap foreign labour ? no most definately not ..The high taxes in this country are just shafting the working classes cheap foreign labour is just shafting the working classes and depriving us of jobs .so i hope that answers your questions Gareth whilst we are on the subject of cheap drink Gareth whats your opinion of these same politicians having all theyre drink free at the house of commons courtesy of the tax payer and being able to drink it all day. whilst in work ? it dont come any cheaper than gratis jimmysmith
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12:29pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Gareth says...

...once we have ignored the fact that American and Australasians make up, by far, the largest contingent of illegal workers in the UK.

This isn't aimed at you daitophat, but I've always wondered why the "I'm not a racist, but..." brigade conveniently ignore illegal workers from white, English-speaking countries.
...once we have ignored the fact that American and Australasians make up, by far, the largest contingent of illegal workers in the UK. This isn't aimed at you daitophat, but I've always wondered why the "I'm not a racist, but..." brigade conveniently ignore illegal workers from white, English-speaking countries. Gareth
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Gareth says...

jimmysmith wrote:
Gareth wrote:
Sorry for the confusion Jimmy!

You've been arguing that the government is making everything so expensive, and wasting our nation's cash, to the degree where it's everyone for themselves; that we should stand up for entrepreneurs who supply us with things as cheaply as they can, even if this means breaking the law. (Did I get that right?)

I was just wondering if you'd support someone else using the same reasoning - in this case a restaurant owner.

Hope that makes sense.
whos law are they breaking Gareth ? The very harshly forced upon us tax laws that the politicians force upon us ? yes im all for people ignoring them .would i support a restaurant employing cheap foreign labour ? no most definately not ..The high taxes in this country are just shafting the working classes cheap foreign labour is just shafting the working classes and depriving us of jobs .so i hope that answers your questions Gareth whilst we are on the subject of cheap drink Gareth whats your opinion of these same politicians having all theyre drink free at the house of commons courtesy of the tax payer and being able to drink it all day. whilst in work ? it dont come any cheaper than gratis
Sorry Jimmy, I'm a bit confused now.

Are you saying it's okay for you to buy foreign, cheaper, illegal things, but it's not okay for a restaurant owner to do the same (after all, he hates paying the same high taxes as you?) Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

Live your life how you want, sir. That's up to you. But you can't admonish someone else for living life by the same rules!

I know that the prices are cheaper in the HoC bars, but I'm not sure why you think they are free. Do I think we should be subsidising it? No.
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: Sorry for the confusion Jimmy! You've been arguing that the government is making everything so expensive, and wasting our nation's cash, to the degree where it's everyone for themselves; that we should stand up for entrepreneurs who supply us with things as cheaply as they can, even if this means breaking the law. (Did I get that right?) I was just wondering if you'd support someone else using the same reasoning - in this case a restaurant owner. Hope that makes sense.[/p][/quote]whos law are they breaking Gareth ? The very harshly forced upon us tax laws that the politicians force upon us ? yes im all for people ignoring them .would i support a restaurant employing cheap foreign labour ? no most definately not ..The high taxes in this country are just shafting the working classes cheap foreign labour is just shafting the working classes and depriving us of jobs .so i hope that answers your questions Gareth whilst we are on the subject of cheap drink Gareth whats your opinion of these same politicians having all theyre drink free at the house of commons courtesy of the tax payer and being able to drink it all day. whilst in work ? it dont come any cheaper than gratis[/p][/quote]Sorry Jimmy, I'm a bit confused now. Are you saying it's okay for you to buy foreign, cheaper, illegal things, but it's not okay for a restaurant owner to do the same (after all, he hates paying the same high taxes as you?) Isn't that a bit hypocritical? Live your life how you want, sir. That's up to you. But you can't admonish someone else for living life by the same rules! I know that the prices are cheaper in the HoC bars, but I'm not sure why you think they are free. Do I think we should be subsidising it? No. Gareth
  • Score: 0

4:03pm Tue 25 Mar 14

jimmysmith says...

Gareth wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
Gareth wrote:
Sorry for the confusion Jimmy!

You've been arguing that the government is making everything so expensive, and wasting our nation's cash, to the degree where it's everyone for themselves; that we should stand up for entrepreneurs who supply us with things as cheaply as they can, even if this means breaking the law. (Did I get that right?)

I was just wondering if you'd support someone else using the same reasoning - in this case a restaurant owner.

Hope that makes sense.
whos law are they breaking Gareth ? The very harshly forced upon us tax laws that the politicians force upon us ? yes im all for people ignoring them .would i support a restaurant employing cheap foreign labour ? no most definately not ..The high taxes in this country are just shafting the working classes cheap foreign labour is just shafting the working classes and depriving us of jobs .so i hope that answers your questions Gareth whilst we are on the subject of cheap drink Gareth whats your opinion of these same politicians having all theyre drink free at the house of commons courtesy of the tax payer and being able to drink it all day. whilst in work ? it dont come any cheaper than gratis
Sorry Jimmy, I'm a bit confused now.

Are you saying it's okay for you to buy foreign, cheaper, illegal things, but it's not okay for a restaurant owner to do the same (after all, he hates paying the same high taxes as you?) Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

Live your life how you want, sir. That's up to you. But you can't admonish someone else for living life by the same rules!

I know that the prices are cheaper in the HoC bars, but I'm not sure why you think they are free. Do I think we should be subsidising it? No.
you are confused . i tell you what pal youve blown my head to bits now .and your starting to spout the racist ticket now so sling your hook i hope thats plain enough for you to understand .
[quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: Sorry for the confusion Jimmy! You've been arguing that the government is making everything so expensive, and wasting our nation's cash, to the degree where it's everyone for themselves; that we should stand up for entrepreneurs who supply us with things as cheaply as they can, even if this means breaking the law. (Did I get that right?) I was just wondering if you'd support someone else using the same reasoning - in this case a restaurant owner. Hope that makes sense.[/p][/quote]whos law are they breaking Gareth ? The very harshly forced upon us tax laws that the politicians force upon us ? yes im all for people ignoring them .would i support a restaurant employing cheap foreign labour ? no most definately not ..The high taxes in this country are just shafting the working classes cheap foreign labour is just shafting the working classes and depriving us of jobs .so i hope that answers your questions Gareth whilst we are on the subject of cheap drink Gareth whats your opinion of these same politicians having all theyre drink free at the house of commons courtesy of the tax payer and being able to drink it all day. whilst in work ? it dont come any cheaper than gratis[/p][/quote]Sorry Jimmy, I'm a bit confused now. Are you saying it's okay for you to buy foreign, cheaper, illegal things, but it's not okay for a restaurant owner to do the same (after all, he hates paying the same high taxes as you?) Isn't that a bit hypocritical? Live your life how you want, sir. That's up to you. But you can't admonish someone else for living life by the same rules! I know that the prices are cheaper in the HoC bars, but I'm not sure why you think they are free. Do I think we should be subsidising it? No.[/p][/quote]you are confused . i tell you what pal youve blown my head to bits now .and your starting to spout the racist ticket now so sling your hook i hope thats plain enough for you to understand . jimmysmith
  • Score: -1

4:29pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Gareth says...

That's a shame actually jimmy, but not a surprising response: poster gives glib comment, is called on it and decides attack or subject change is easier than explaining an opinion.. I've a different opinion to many here and I'd enjoy debating differing opinions with people.
That's a shame actually jimmy, but not a surprising response: poster gives glib comment, is called on it and decides attack or subject change is easier than explaining an opinion.. I've a different opinion to many here and I'd enjoy debating differing opinions with people. Gareth
  • Score: 0

8:23pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

Gareth wrote:
...once we have ignored the fact that American and Australasians make up, by far, the largest contingent of illegal workers in the UK.

This isn't aimed at you daitophat, but I've always wondered why the "I'm not a racist, but..." brigade conveniently ignore illegal workers from white, English-speaking countries.
Well , silly me, I must have missed all those terrible people when eating in restaurants, having my car washed and , if I was a Labour MP having some terrorist from Sydney look after my children. What impresses me about you commies is that it's a 24 hour a day job. It was well said that the price of freedom (from you) is eternal vigilance. Sadly, we liberals sleep a bit. But , hey, it's nothing to do with stupidly excessive taxation on a beer, so who cares?
[quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: ...once we have ignored the fact that American and Australasians make up, by far, the largest contingent of illegal workers in the UK. This isn't aimed at you daitophat, but I've always wondered why the "I'm not a racist, but..." brigade conveniently ignore illegal workers from white, English-speaking countries.[/p][/quote]Well , silly me, I must have missed all those terrible people when eating in restaurants, having my car washed and , if I was a Labour MP having some terrorist from Sydney look after my children. What impresses me about you commies is that it's a 24 hour a day job. It was well said that the price of freedom (from you) is eternal vigilance. Sadly, we liberals sleep a bit. But , hey, it's nothing to do with stupidly excessive taxation on a beer, so who cares? Dai Rear
  • Score: 2

9:44pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Gareth says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Gareth wrote:
...once we have ignored the fact that American and Australasians make up, by far, the largest contingent of illegal workers in the UK.

This isn't aimed at you daitophat, but I've always wondered why the "I'm not a racist, but..." brigade conveniently ignore illegal workers from white, English-speaking countries.
Well , silly me, I must have missed all those terrible people when eating in restaurants, having my car washed and , if I was a Labour MP having some terrorist from Sydney look after my children. What impresses me about you commies is that it's a 24 hour a day job. It was well said that the price of freedom (from you) is eternal vigilance. Sadly, we liberals sleep a bit. But , hey, it's nothing to do with stupidly excessive taxation on a beer, so who cares?
You think i'm a commie? I worked hard in a comprehensive, got to go to a poly, worked harder still, graduated from a uni, got a job, changed job twice, then set up my own business. I'm curreently doing ok purely because of the 18-hr days i put it.

If you want to query my attitude to life, you need to try harder
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: ...once we have ignored the fact that American and Australasians make up, by far, the largest contingent of illegal workers in the UK. This isn't aimed at you daitophat, but I've always wondered why the "I'm not a racist, but..." brigade conveniently ignore illegal workers from white, English-speaking countries.[/p][/quote]Well , silly me, I must have missed all those terrible people when eating in restaurants, having my car washed and , if I was a Labour MP having some terrorist from Sydney look after my children. What impresses me about you commies is that it's a 24 hour a day job. It was well said that the price of freedom (from you) is eternal vigilance. Sadly, we liberals sleep a bit. But , hey, it's nothing to do with stupidly excessive taxation on a beer, so who cares?[/p][/quote]You think i'm a commie? I worked hard in a comprehensive, got to go to a poly, worked harder still, graduated from a uni, got a job, changed job twice, then set up my own business. I'm curreently doing ok purely because of the 18-hr days i put it. If you want to query my attitude to life, you need to try harder Gareth
  • Score: 1

7:45am Wed 26 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

Gareth wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Gareth wrote:
...once we have ignored the fact that American and Australasians make up, by far, the largest contingent of illegal workers in the UK.

This isn't aimed at you daitophat, but I've always wondered why the "I'm not a racist, but..." brigade conveniently ignore illegal workers from white, English-speaking countries.
Well , silly me, I must have missed all those terrible people when eating in restaurants, having my car washed and , if I was a Labour MP having some terrorist from Sydney look after my children. What impresses me about you commies is that it's a 24 hour a day job. It was well said that the price of freedom (from you) is eternal vigilance. Sadly, we liberals sleep a bit. But , hey, it's nothing to do with stupidly excessive taxation on a beer, so who cares?
You think i'm a commie? I worked hard in a comprehensive, got to go to a poly, worked harder still, graduated from a uni, got a job, changed job twice, then set up my own business. I'm curreently doing ok purely because of the 18-hr days i put it.

If you want to query my attitude to life, you need to try harder
Well, spying Yanks and Ozzies under the bed tends to be a commie "take" on our world but I can't admit much interest in your attitude to life. Perhaps it's the wicked Yanks and Ozzies grabbing all the welfare dosh that means we're crippled with hyper-taxation. Who knows?
[quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: ...once we have ignored the fact that American and Australasians make up, by far, the largest contingent of illegal workers in the UK. This isn't aimed at you daitophat, but I've always wondered why the "I'm not a racist, but..." brigade conveniently ignore illegal workers from white, English-speaking countries.[/p][/quote]Well , silly me, I must have missed all those terrible people when eating in restaurants, having my car washed and , if I was a Labour MP having some terrorist from Sydney look after my children. What impresses me about you commies is that it's a 24 hour a day job. It was well said that the price of freedom (from you) is eternal vigilance. Sadly, we liberals sleep a bit. But , hey, it's nothing to do with stupidly excessive taxation on a beer, so who cares?[/p][/quote]You think i'm a commie? I worked hard in a comprehensive, got to go to a poly, worked harder still, graduated from a uni, got a job, changed job twice, then set up my own business. I'm curreently doing ok purely because of the 18-hr days i put it. If you want to query my attitude to life, you need to try harder[/p][/quote]Well, spying Yanks and Ozzies under the bed tends to be a commie "take" on our world but I can't admit much interest in your attitude to life. Perhaps it's the wicked Yanks and Ozzies grabbing all the welfare dosh that means we're crippled with hyper-taxation. Who knows? Dai Rear
  • Score: 2

11:37am Thu 27 Mar 14

Gareth says...

Look, I don't think people should employ illegal workers. That's it. Why should their country of origin matter - as though an illegal work from Arkansas is any better or worse than an illegal worker from Afghanistan. They both take money out of the system that the rest of us have to pay into.

Not liking races or religions from specific countries is a different argument that's been done to death on this website - and neither side agree.
Look, I don't think people should employ illegal workers. That's it. Why should their country of origin matter - as though an illegal work from Arkansas is any better or worse than an illegal worker from Afghanistan. They both take money out of the system that the rest of us have to pay into. Not liking races or religions from specific countries is a different argument that's been done to death on this website - and neither side agree. Gareth
  • Score: 0

11:44am Thu 27 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

Gareth wrote:
Look, I don't think people should employ illegal workers. That's it. Why should their country of origin matter - as though an illegal work from Arkansas is any better or worse than an illegal worker from Afghanistan. They both take money out of the system that the rest of us have to pay into.

Not liking races or religions from specific countries is a different argument that's been done to death on this website - and neither side agree.
"...once we have ignored the fact that American and Australasians make up, by far, the largest contingent of illegal workers in the UK."
Your proposition. Manifestly untrue, but, hey, when did the truth matter when you're making a (very obscure) political point?
[quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: Look, I don't think people should employ illegal workers. That's it. Why should their country of origin matter - as though an illegal work from Arkansas is any better or worse than an illegal worker from Afghanistan. They both take money out of the system that the rest of us have to pay into. Not liking races or religions from specific countries is a different argument that's been done to death on this website - and neither side agree.[/p][/quote]"...once we have ignored the fact that American and Australasians make up, by far, the largest contingent of illegal workers in the UK." Your proposition. Manifestly untrue, but, hey, when did the truth matter when you're making a (very obscure) political point? Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

11:50am Thu 27 Mar 14

Gareth says...

okay dai. you win. it's really no fun when instead of offering an opinion of their own, someone just pokes a finger of derision at every opportunity.
okay dai. you win. it's really no fun when instead of offering an opinion of their own, someone just pokes a finger of derision at every opportunity. Gareth
  • Score: 0

12:04pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

I said my opinion further up the page. The tax on booze in this country is excessive. I don't know where immigration came in but I'm with Labour on that one: it drives down our own people's wages and should be stopped. I believe that's why Mr Miliband is so keen on an EU referendum and that the party of which he was a member acted so strenuously to clamp down on it 1997-2010. I think I got that right didn't I Gareth?
I said my opinion further up the page. The tax on booze in this country is excessive. I don't know where immigration came in but I'm with Labour on that one: it drives down our own people's wages and should be stopped. I believe that's why Mr Miliband is so keen on an EU referendum and that the party of which he was a member acted so strenuously to clamp down on it 1997-2010. I think I got that right didn't I Gareth? Dai Rear
  • Score: 2

2:20pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Gareth says...

Thanks Dai. Are you against immigration, or illegal immigration? I only ask as some believe that we should close our borders full stop.
Thanks Dai. Are you against immigration, or illegal immigration? I only ask as some believe that we should close our borders full stop. Gareth
  • Score: 0

3:15pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Dai Rear says...

Illegal first, and my take is abandon the weasel words "asylum seeker "Most peoples don't run their countries like the white commonwealth and the US and there are potentially north of 3 billion humans living in horrible places. They can all make a case for being "asylum seekers" (as the manufacturers of those shoddy words foresaw with glee) The places they live will never get better if they all come and left next door to you and me. As to legal, well give us a generation to absorb the influx of the last 2 decades and then let's think about it. The US can absorb millions because it's a continent (though near saturation now) We ain't and we can't.
Illegal first, and my take is abandon the weasel words "asylum seeker "Most peoples don't run their countries like the white commonwealth and the US and there are potentially north of 3 billion humans living in horrible places. They can all make a case for being "asylum seekers" (as the manufacturers of those shoddy words foresaw with glee) The places they live will never get better if they all come and left next door to you and me. As to legal, well give us a generation to absorb the influx of the last 2 decades and then let's think about it. The US can absorb millions because it's a continent (though near saturation now) We ain't and we can't. Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

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