Gwent foodbank use triples in year

South Wales Argus: Argus writers Hayley Mills, (lt) and Ruth Mansfield are seen officially handing over the food to Jen Taylor, (centre), of the Eastern Valley Foodbank, which was generously donated by staff at the company (4325639) Argus writers Hayley Mills, (lt) and Ruth Mansfield are seen officially handing over the food to Jen Taylor, (centre), of the Eastern Valley Foodbank, which was generously donated by staff at the company (4325639)

A STAGGERING 16,455 adults and children in Gwent have been forced to turn to one charity’s food banks in the last year, more than triple the amount from the year previous.

The figures released by the Trussell Trust yesterday, show the thousands who received food support from Trussell Trust food banks in the last 12 months compared to 4,314 in April 2012-March 2013.

Torfaen reported the highest rate of users with 5,346 people receiving emergency food in April 2013-March 2014. The eight Trussell Trust food banks in Gwent provide three days’ nutritionally balanced food to people in crisis. At least 90 per cent of food given out by the food banks is donated by the public.

In the last year, new food banks have opened in Newport and Monmouth, which account for the huge increase in figures.

The Eastern Valley food bank in Pontnewynydd, Pontypool, has only been open a year, but the figures don’t surprise project leader, Jen Taylor.

She said: “We are really busy. We see all sorts. Some people we only see once and don’t see them again, others we stick with and see them out of their crisis. We try to be all things to all people.”

Ms Taylor said they even have ex-clients who just come by for a chat and a cup of coffee now.

“We listen to people’s stories and try to help them.”

Ms Taylor said they have been able to meet the increasing demands, thanks largely to some 38 churches who do regular collections for the food bank, as well as the general public.

A nationwide survey of Trussell Trust food banks recently found over 50 per cent of referrals to food banks in 2013-14 were a result of benefit delays or changes.

Ms Taylor could relate to this and said: “A lot of clients have been left in crisis through the bedroom tax or because they have been sanctioned.

“People out of work – that’s the biggest factor. If jobs could be created, that would ease pressure. People want to work.”

The Trussell Trust’s Chairman, Chris Mould, said: “That 79,049 people in Wales have received three days’ food from a food bank, over double the numbers helped last year, is shocking in 21st century Britain.

“But perhaps most worrying of all this figure is just the tip of the iceberg of UK food poverty, it doesn’t include those helped by other emergency food providers, those living in towns where there is no foodbank, people who are too ashamed to seek help or the large number of people just coping by eating less and buying cheap food.”

County People receiving emergency food

Caerphilly 3260

Blaenau Gwent 3932

Monmouthshire 2616

Newport 1301

Torfaen 5346

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10:07am Wed 16 Apr 14

bettysenior says...

Food Banks unfortunately will be with the people of the UK in perpetuity and where they will increase even more dramatically over the next 20-years. This has been caused by a huge increase in inequality brought about by corporations and supported by western governments. Indeed just two articles below outline why this has happened.

1. Vast Corporate & Political Power in the West have Impoverished the People of the USA and the EU over the past 30-years – and unfortunately it will get far worse as things will not change for the better - http://worldinnovati
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2. Global Poverty and Inequality are the Reasons for Wars and our Politicians and the Super Rich should Clearly Understand This ! - http://worldinnovati
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Food Banks unfortunately will be with the people of the UK in perpetuity and where they will increase even more dramatically over the next 20-years. This has been caused by a huge increase in inequality brought about by corporations and supported by western governments. Indeed just two articles below outline why this has happened. 1. Vast Corporate & Political Power in the West have Impoverished the People of the USA and the EU over the past 30-years – and unfortunately it will get far worse as things will not change for the better - http://worldinnovati onfoundation.blogspo t.co.uk/2014/03/vast -corporate-political -power-in-west.html 2. Global Poverty and Inequality are the Reasons for Wars and our Politicians and the Super Rich should Clearly Understand This ! - http://worldinnovati onfoundation.blogspo t.co.uk/2014/01/glob al-poverty-and-inequ ality-are.html bettysenior
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10:42am Wed 16 Apr 14

DDDog1 says...

I've an idea,let's bring in immigration rules like Australia and shut the borders to all the eastern scrounges ,then there would be enough decent paying jobs for people.
I've an idea,let's bring in immigration rules like Australia and shut the borders to all the eastern scrounges ,then there would be enough decent paying jobs for people. DDDog1
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10:45am Wed 16 Apr 14

Bobevans says...

DDDog1 wrote:
I've an idea,let's bring in immigration rules like Australia and shut the borders to all the eastern scrounges ,then there would be enough decent paying jobs for people.
And bring in proper validation of the users of food banks. Many do not want to work so when they do not attend job centre interviews and get sanctioned they just use the food banks
[quote][p][bold]DDDog1[/bold] wrote: I've an idea,let's bring in immigration rules like Australia and shut the borders to all the eastern scrounges ,then there would be enough decent paying jobs for people.[/p][/quote]And bring in proper validation of the users of food banks. Many do not want to work so when they do not attend job centre interviews and get sanctioned they just use the food banks Bobevans
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11:14am Wed 16 Apr 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Bobevans wrote:
DDDog1 wrote:
I've an idea,let's bring in immigration rules like Australia and shut the borders to all the eastern scrounges ,then there would be enough decent paying jobs for people.
And bring in proper validation of the users of food banks. Many do not want to work so when they do not attend job centre interviews and get sanctioned they just use the food banks
Makes sense, how many of these people still have the big plasma screens and smartphones etc.

And how many were British?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DDDog1[/bold] wrote: I've an idea,let's bring in immigration rules like Australia and shut the borders to all the eastern scrounges ,then there would be enough decent paying jobs for people.[/p][/quote]And bring in proper validation of the users of food banks. Many do not want to work so when they do not attend job centre interviews and get sanctioned they just use the food banks[/p][/quote]Makes sense, how many of these people still have the big plasma screens and smartphones etc. And how many were British? Good Job No Kids
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11:29am Wed 16 Apr 14

endthelies says...

Well I would just like to say thank you to the Trussel trust for providing a much needed service. The fact that foodbanks are needed at all in one of the richest countries in the world is a disgrace. Working folk unable to pay their bills because of low wages and having to have top ups from the government to make ends meet, and then have them taken away or lowered with no thought to how these people are going to survive with no food. Proud of this country! absolutely not.
Well I would just like to say thank you to the Trussel trust for providing a much needed service. The fact that foodbanks are needed at all in one of the richest countries in the world is a disgrace. Working folk unable to pay their bills because of low wages and having to have top ups from the government to make ends meet, and then have them taken away or lowered with no thought to how these people are going to survive with no food. Proud of this country! absolutely not. endthelies
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3:33pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

endthelies wrote:
Well I would just like to say thank you to the Trussel trust for providing a much needed service. The fact that foodbanks are needed at all in one of the richest countries in the world is a disgrace. Working folk unable to pay their bills because of low wages and having to have top ups from the government to make ends meet, and then have them taken away or lowered with no thought to how these people are going to survive with no food. Proud of this country! absolutely not.
Well go and live in Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Rwanda, etc. etc. No food banks there. lucky them. Do you know, I've seen bloated capitalists, all top hats and frock coats, actually eating poor people!
In passing, if you ran a food bank and no one came would you be happy? I guess it might make the "providers" feel good about themselves, but I'm sure you'll not agree and will continue to hand out tins of beans to the emaciated masses huddled around the dole.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: Well I would just like to say thank you to the Trussel trust for providing a much needed service. The fact that foodbanks are needed at all in one of the richest countries in the world is a disgrace. Working folk unable to pay their bills because of low wages and having to have top ups from the government to make ends meet, and then have them taken away or lowered with no thought to how these people are going to survive with no food. Proud of this country! absolutely not.[/p][/quote]Well go and live in Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Rwanda, etc. etc. No food banks there. lucky them. Do you know, I've seen bloated capitalists, all top hats and frock coats, actually eating poor people! In passing, if you ran a food bank and no one came would you be happy? I guess it might make the "providers" feel good about themselves, but I'm sure you'll not agree and will continue to hand out tins of beans to the emaciated masses huddled around the dole. Dai Rear
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4:06pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

That was rather rude endthelies, sorry.
May I tell a little story, which doesn't show me in a great light, but which just might explain the growth of the FB phenomenon?
A week ago I went to the GP for a septic toe, part of which was , it transpired, athlete's foot. I was dispensed an antibiotic and then she said "I'll put a fungicide on as well. You could get it over the counter in Boots but. you are exempt from prescription charges" (probably didn't need to look at my date of birth, sadly).Now my retirement income is not as great as a GP salary but it certainly puts me into the 40% tax band. I could have said "oh don't bother, I've got plenty of cash". But I didn't, not because of greed but because I thought it would have sounded rude. Is there any chance that the same applies to very many told of their eligibility for a FB ticket? Just normal humans, neither desperately needy nor hopelessly greedy, just not wishing to offend? If this analysis is wrong then something weird must have happened. Welfare has broadly kept up with inflation. There were few food banks 10 years ago and now there are many. Maybe loads of folks have been living in publicly funded accommodation on their own with numerous bedrooms. Somehow I doubt it. What think you?
That was rather rude endthelies, sorry. May I tell a little story, which doesn't show me in a great light, but which just might explain the growth of the FB phenomenon? A week ago I went to the GP for a septic toe, part of which was , it transpired, athlete's foot. I was dispensed an antibiotic and then she said "I'll put a fungicide on as well. You could get it over the counter in Boots but. you are exempt from prescription charges" (probably didn't need to look at my date of birth, sadly).Now my retirement income is not as great as a GP salary but it certainly puts me into the 40% tax band. I could have said "oh don't bother, I've got plenty of cash". But I didn't, not because of greed but because I thought it would have sounded rude. Is there any chance that the same applies to very many told of their eligibility for a FB ticket? Just normal humans, neither desperately needy nor hopelessly greedy, just not wishing to offend? If this analysis is wrong then something weird must have happened. Welfare has broadly kept up with inflation. There were few food banks 10 years ago and now there are many. Maybe loads of folks have been living in publicly funded accommodation on their own with numerous bedrooms. Somehow I doubt it. What think you? Dai Rear
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5:00pm Wed 16 Apr 14

endthelies says...

We don't live in Somalia or the other places you mentioned Dai. We live in Great Britain (although the Greta is something some may dispute). The foodbanks have arisen because when people apply for benefits, there can be at least a six week wait before nay money comes through and that goes for if you're working or not. people have applied for these benefits because they need them. Most are on their knees when they go to these places. Whilst they await benefits, rent still has to paid, heating and lighting still has to be paid. You still have to get the children to school everyday.How are you to do that without any money coming in. When you start work, you usually have to wait a month to be paid and benefits can take longer than that. No money for 6 weeks or longer. Ask yourself, could you do it if you had nothing in the bank to fall back on. I know I couldn't.
We don't live in Somalia or the other places you mentioned Dai. We live in Great Britain (although the Greta is something some may dispute). The foodbanks have arisen because when people apply for benefits, there can be at least a six week wait before nay money comes through and that goes for if you're working or not. people have applied for these benefits because they need them. Most are on their knees when they go to these places. Whilst they await benefits, rent still has to paid, heating and lighting still has to be paid. You still have to get the children to school everyday.How are you to do that without any money coming in. When you start work, you usually have to wait a month to be paid and benefits can take longer than that. No money for 6 weeks or longer. Ask yourself, could you do it if you had nothing in the bank to fall back on. I know I couldn't. endthelies
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5:06pm Wed 16 Apr 14

endthelies says...

Another thing that has brought about the food banks is the fact that the government used to give people emergency cash to tide them over until benefits came through but they stopped that.
Another thing that has brought about the food banks is the fact that the government used to give people emergency cash to tide them over until benefits came through but they stopped that. endthelies
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5:45pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Magor says...

They will increase in use who will refuse free food.Does not really mean they cant afford to buy any, just means they have more to spend on what they want not what they need.
They will increase in use who will refuse free food.Does not really mean they cant afford to buy any, just means they have more to spend on what they want not what they need. Magor
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6:58pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

OK endthelies. I tried. God knows I tried. So no one has family or friends to help them in problematical times? So be it. You win. The State is the only provider known to Man and if your children were waiting for welfare you'd tell them "get you down the food bank". I wouldn't, but then I'm not a socialist.
OK endthelies. I tried. God knows I tried. So no one has family or friends to help them in problematical times? So be it. You win. The State is the only provider known to Man and if your children were waiting for welfare you'd tell them "get you down the food bank". I wouldn't, but then I'm not a socialist. Dai Rear
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9:11pm Wed 16 Apr 14

scraptheWAG says...

if someone said in the pub who wants a free pint all hands would go up food bank is the same thing its human nature
if someone said in the pub who wants a free pint all hands would go up food bank is the same thing its human nature scraptheWAG
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10:14pm Wed 16 Apr 14

endthelies says...

Dai Rear wrote:
OK endthelies. I tried. God knows I tried. So no one has family or friends to help them in problematical times? So be it. You win. The State is the only provider known to Man and if your children were waiting for welfare you'd tell them "get you down the food bank". I wouldn't, but then I'm not a socialist.
Both my children work Dai. They were brought up to think of those less fortunate than themselves, as I was. I remember my Mam having to go without food after my father died in the seventies, as there was no help. I remember her crying having been left with 5 children to keep. You just keep thinking that all benefit claimants are just in it for the money if it makes you feel better. I don't believe that however, so please don't try and make me the bad person for trying to help.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: OK endthelies. I tried. God knows I tried. So no one has family or friends to help them in problematical times? So be it. You win. The State is the only provider known to Man and if your children were waiting for welfare you'd tell them "get you down the food bank". I wouldn't, but then I'm not a socialist.[/p][/quote]Both my children work Dai. They were brought up to think of those less fortunate than themselves, as I was. I remember my Mam having to go without food after my father died in the seventies, as there was no help. I remember her crying having been left with 5 children to keep. You just keep thinking that all benefit claimants are just in it for the money if it makes you feel better. I don't believe that however, so please don't try and make me the bad person for trying to help. endthelies
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10:18pm Wed 16 Apr 14

endthelies says...

And also DAi, count your blessings if you have family who can help you out because there are a lot of people who don't have a family network who are able to keep them for 6 weeks!
And also DAi, count your blessings if you have family who can help you out because there are a lot of people who don't have a family network who are able to keep them for 6 weeks! endthelies
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10:48pm Wed 16 Apr 14

cymruamblyth says...

Interestingly the BBC rang the same story and below are a few of the Editors top 15 picks

898.
Jam1001
9 Hours ago

My sister is on benefits, she has 3 children, she goes to food banks because she 'needs' to. She has £300 cash per week in various benefits, she has her rent and taxes paid for her. 3 of her kids have iPads, all have new branded clothes and gadgets. She uses food banks because she has little money left after luxuries.

There is no need for food banks. People just do not prioritise needs over wants

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Redredred
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In my job I have to give out food bank vouchers. A good proportion is due to benefit delay or sanction. An equally good proportion is down to poor budgeting, reliance on expensive pre-prepared foods and prioritising debts to mates, cigarettes and alcohol over food and rent.
Interestingly the BBC rang the same story and below are a few of the Editors top 15 picks 898. Jam1001 9 Hours ago My sister is on benefits, she has 3 children, she goes to food banks because she 'needs' to. She has £300 cash per week in various benefits, she has her rent and taxes paid for her. 3 of her kids have iPads, all have new branded clothes and gadgets. She uses food banks because she has little money left after luxuries. There is no need for food banks. People just do not prioritise needs over wants Rate this comment positivelyRate this comment negatively +9 Comment number 791. Redredred 9 Hours ago In my job I have to give out food bank vouchers. A good proportion is due to benefit delay or sanction. An equally good proportion is down to poor budgeting, reliance on expensive pre-prepared foods and prioritising debts to mates, cigarettes and alcohol over food and rent. cymruamblyth
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11:02pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

cymruamblyth wrote:
Interestingly the BBC rang the same story and below are a few of the Editors top 15 picks

898.
Jam1001
9 Hours ago

My sister is on benefits, she has 3 children, she goes to food banks because she 'needs' to. She has £300 cash per week in various benefits, she has her rent and taxes paid for her. 3 of her kids have iPads, all have new branded clothes and gadgets. She uses food banks because she has little money left after luxuries.

There is no need for food banks. People just do not prioritise needs over wants

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Redredred
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In my job I have to give out food bank vouchers. A good proportion is due to benefit delay or sanction. An equally good proportion is down to poor budgeting, reliance on expensive pre-prepared foods and prioritising debts to mates, cigarettes and alcohol over food and rent.
Now THAT sounds like it has a ring of truth about it. A friend of mine, of a religious disposition, works in a food bank in Sussex. He says that a lot of his 'customers' are single mothers who've never heard of contraception, drug addicts, smokers and people to whom work is something other people do. He says that if the benefits were taken off those people who were there due to poor life choices, and the money given to those in genuine need, he'd be (happily) out of work.
[quote][p][bold]cymruamblyth[/bold] wrote: Interestingly the BBC rang the same story and below are a few of the Editors top 15 picks 898. Jam1001 9 Hours ago My sister is on benefits, she has 3 children, she goes to food banks because she 'needs' to. She has £300 cash per week in various benefits, she has her rent and taxes paid for her. 3 of her kids have iPads, all have new branded clothes and gadgets. She uses food banks because she has little money left after luxuries. There is no need for food banks. People just do not prioritise needs over wants Rate this comment positivelyRate this comment negatively +9 Comment number 791. Redredred 9 Hours ago In my job I have to give out food bank vouchers. A good proportion is due to benefit delay or sanction. An equally good proportion is down to poor budgeting, reliance on expensive pre-prepared foods and prioritising debts to mates, cigarettes and alcohol over food and rent.[/p][/quote]Now THAT sounds like it has a ring of truth about it. A friend of mine, of a religious disposition, works in a food bank in Sussex. He says that a lot of his 'customers' are single mothers who've never heard of contraception, drug addicts, smokers and people to whom work is something other people do. He says that if the benefits were taken off those people who were there due to poor life choices, and the money given to those in genuine need, he'd be (happily) out of work. Llanmartinangel
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7:19am Thu 17 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
OK endthelies. I tried. God knows I tried. So no one has family or friends to help them in problematical times? So be it. You win. The State is the only provider known to Man and if your children were waiting for welfare you'd tell them "get you down the food bank". I wouldn't, but then I'm not a socialist.
Both my children work Dai. They were brought up to think of those less fortunate than themselves, as I was. I remember my Mam having to go without food after my father died in the seventies, as there was no help. I remember her crying having been left with 5 children to keep. You just keep thinking that all benefit claimants are just in it for the money if it makes you feel better. I don't believe that however, so please don't try and make me the bad person for trying to help.
No I don't. I gave an explanation in my post at 4,06 yesterday. People do have sufficient family and friends though I will concede that because some people have "difficult" personalities it is hard to reach out to them, But again we're not talking about recluses here and I hate the way the left jump on the FB "bandwagon". Massive sums are spent on welfare and even if he wanted to spend more our "First Jewish Prime Minister" will be able to do so only by leaving the country undefended or without infrastructure. Where did I say your children haven't jobs?
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: OK endthelies. I tried. God knows I tried. So no one has family or friends to help them in problematical times? So be it. You win. The State is the only provider known to Man and if your children were waiting for welfare you'd tell them "get you down the food bank". I wouldn't, but then I'm not a socialist.[/p][/quote]Both my children work Dai. They were brought up to think of those less fortunate than themselves, as I was. I remember my Mam having to go without food after my father died in the seventies, as there was no help. I remember her crying having been left with 5 children to keep. You just keep thinking that all benefit claimants are just in it for the money if it makes you feel better. I don't believe that however, so please don't try and make me the bad person for trying to help.[/p][/quote]No I don't. I gave an explanation in my post at 4,06 yesterday. People do have sufficient family and friends though I will concede that because some people have "difficult" personalities it is hard to reach out to them, But again we're not talking about recluses here and I hate the way the left jump on the FB "bandwagon". Massive sums are spent on welfare and even if he wanted to spend more our "First Jewish Prime Minister" will be able to do so only by leaving the country undefended or without infrastructure. Where did I say your children haven't jobs? Dai Rear
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9:31am Thu 17 Apr 14

endthelies says...

I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.
I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am. endthelies
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9:35am Thu 17 Apr 14

-trigg- says...

Whilst it is comforting to know that this safety net is available for those that genuinely need it, I can't help wondering how many people are actually "forced" to use them and how many use them whilst still finding money for their fags, booze and lottery tickets.
Whilst it is comforting to know that this safety net is available for those that genuinely need it, I can't help wondering how many people are actually "forced" to use them and how many use them whilst still finding money for their fags, booze and lottery tickets. -trigg-
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10:25am Thu 17 Apr 14

endthelies says...

cymruamblyth wrote:
Interestingly the BBC rang the same story and below are a few of the Editors top 15 picks

898.
Jam1001
9 Hours ago

My sister is on benefits, she has 3 children, she goes to food banks because she 'needs' to. She has £300 cash per week in various benefits, she has her rent and taxes paid for her. 3 of her kids have iPads, all have new branded clothes and gadgets. She uses food banks because she has little money left after luxuries.

There is no need for food banks. People just do not prioritise needs over wants

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Redredred
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In my job I have to give out food bank vouchers. A good proportion is due to benefit delay or sanction. An equally good proportion is down to poor budgeting, reliance on expensive pre-prepared foods and prioritising debts to mates, cigarettes and alcohol over food and rent.
Ive just read the posts you refer to cymru and there are an awful lot more comments on there that dispute the ones you've chosen to post on here.
[quote][p][bold]cymruamblyth[/bold] wrote: Interestingly the BBC rang the same story and below are a few of the Editors top 15 picks 898. Jam1001 9 Hours ago My sister is on benefits, she has 3 children, she goes to food banks because she 'needs' to. She has £300 cash per week in various benefits, she has her rent and taxes paid for her. 3 of her kids have iPads, all have new branded clothes and gadgets. She uses food banks because she has little money left after luxuries. There is no need for food banks. People just do not prioritise needs over wants Rate this comment positivelyRate this comment negatively +9 Comment number 791. Redredred 9 Hours ago In my job I have to give out food bank vouchers. A good proportion is due to benefit delay or sanction. An equally good proportion is down to poor budgeting, reliance on expensive pre-prepared foods and prioritising debts to mates, cigarettes and alcohol over food and rent.[/p][/quote]Ive just read the posts you refer to cymru and there are an awful lot more comments on there that dispute the ones you've chosen to post on here. endthelies
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10:31am Thu 17 Apr 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
cymruamblyth wrote:
Interestingly the BBC rang the same story and below are a few of the Editors top 15 picks

898.
Jam1001
9 Hours ago

My sister is on benefits, she has 3 children, she goes to food banks because she 'needs' to. She has £300 cash per week in various benefits, she has her rent and taxes paid for her. 3 of her kids have iPads, all have new branded clothes and gadgets. She uses food banks because she has little money left after luxuries.

There is no need for food banks. People just do not prioritise needs over wants

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Comment number 791.
Redredred
9 Hours ago

In my job I have to give out food bank vouchers. A good proportion is due to benefit delay or sanction. An equally good proportion is down to poor budgeting, reliance on expensive pre-prepared foods and prioritising debts to mates, cigarettes and alcohol over food and rent.
Now THAT sounds like it has a ring of truth about it. A friend of mine, of a religious disposition, works in a food bank in Sussex. He says that a lot of his 'customers' are single mothers who've never heard of contraception, drug addicts, smokers and people to whom work is something other people do. He says that if the benefits were taken off those people who were there due to poor life choices, and the money given to those in genuine need, he'd be (happily) out of work.
It's a damning indictment of the way the tories view the world that their response to the vast increase in food bank usage (under their watch) has been so woeful.

Just this week Cameron paid lip service to Christianity, but he is happy to ignore the advice of hundreds of Baptist, Methodist and Catholic groups and more than 500 CoE clergy when it comes to food banks. Cameron also pays lip service to charity and the 'big society', but blatantly disregards the selfless hard work and advice of the Trussell Trust.

Around a million people in Britain have gone hungry over the last year, and in the 21st Century, in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. That is a disgrace and a national crisis that everyone (no matter what your political persuasion) should view as a tragedy.

I visited Raven House Trust in Newport recently (who by the way do a brilliant job) and the majority of the people who visit them are embarassed and desperate; many are struggling working families - they're not on a jolly for free food as some posters here have bizzarely suggested.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cymruamblyth[/bold] wrote: Interestingly the BBC rang the same story and below are a few of the Editors top 15 picks 898. Jam1001 9 Hours ago My sister is on benefits, she has 3 children, she goes to food banks because she 'needs' to. She has £300 cash per week in various benefits, she has her rent and taxes paid for her. 3 of her kids have iPads, all have new branded clothes and gadgets. She uses food banks because she has little money left after luxuries. There is no need for food banks. People just do not prioritise needs over wants Rate this comment positivelyRate this comment negatively +9 Comment number 791. Redredred 9 Hours ago In my job I have to give out food bank vouchers. A good proportion is due to benefit delay or sanction. An equally good proportion is down to poor budgeting, reliance on expensive pre-prepared foods and prioritising debts to mates, cigarettes and alcohol over food and rent.[/p][/quote]Now THAT sounds like it has a ring of truth about it. A friend of mine, of a religious disposition, works in a food bank in Sussex. He says that a lot of his 'customers' are single mothers who've never heard of contraception, drug addicts, smokers and people to whom work is something other people do. He says that if the benefits were taken off those people who were there due to poor life choices, and the money given to those in genuine need, he'd be (happily) out of work.[/p][/quote]It's a damning indictment of the way the tories view the world that their response to the vast increase in food bank usage (under their watch) has been so woeful. Just this week Cameron paid lip service to Christianity, but he is happy to ignore the advice of hundreds of Baptist, Methodist and Catholic groups and more than 500 CoE clergy when it comes to food banks. Cameron also pays lip service to charity and the 'big society', but blatantly disregards the selfless hard work and advice of the Trussell Trust. Around a million people in Britain have gone hungry over the last year, and in the 21st Century, in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. That is a disgrace and a national crisis that everyone (no matter what your political persuasion) should view as a tragedy. I visited Raven House Trust in Newport recently (who by the way do a brilliant job) and the majority of the people who visit them are embarassed and desperate; many are struggling working families - they're not on a jolly for free food as some posters here have bizzarely suggested. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 3

4:54pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

endthelies wrote:
I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.
You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.[/p][/quote]You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get. Dai Rear
  • Score: -4

4:58pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

Look at what the Bassaleg one says above. When the lefties rant they sure do rant
Look at what the Bassaleg one says above. When the lefties rant they sure do rant Dai Rear
  • Score: -2

6:39pm Thu 17 Apr 14

endthelies says...

Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.
You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.
Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus
e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.[/p][/quote]You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.[/p][/quote]Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. endthelies
  • Score: 6

7:00pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Mervyn James says...

Magor wrote:
They will increase in use who will refuse free food.Does not really mean they cant afford to buy any, just means they have more to spend on what they want not what they need.
My understanding, is those who want food from the food banks have to be authorized by SS or similar, you don't just walk in fill your bag and walk out! You have to be validated. The Daily Mirror was caught out with a picture of a child crying and a blurb "1m are attending food banks in the UK..." However the photo was filched off the net and was an American child crying over worms or something, and it discredited the whole story. In the USA food banks and soup kitchens have been the norm for 50 years or more, and they are supposed to be one the most advanced and richest countries in the world. Also in the USA if you think Cameron and Co are oppressive towards disabled and poor you don't want to look at how the Americans treat theirs, one down and out was told to go away and die because he hadn't money to pay for treatment, we're next.
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: They will increase in use who will refuse free food.Does not really mean they cant afford to buy any, just means they have more to spend on what they want not what they need.[/p][/quote]My understanding, is those who want food from the food banks have to be authorized by SS or similar, you don't just walk in fill your bag and walk out! You have to be validated. The Daily Mirror was caught out with a picture of a child crying and a blurb "1m are attending food banks in the UK..." However the photo was filched off the net and was an American child crying over worms or something, and it discredited the whole story. In the USA food banks and soup kitchens have been the norm for 50 years or more, and they are supposed to be one the most advanced and richest countries in the world. Also in the USA if you think Cameron and Co are oppressive towards disabled and poor you don't want to look at how the Americans treat theirs, one down and out was told to go away and die because he hadn't money to pay for treatment, we're next. Mervyn James
  • Score: 1

7:07pm Thu 17 Apr 14

endthelies says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Magor wrote:
They will increase in use who will refuse free food.Does not really mean they cant afford to buy any, just means they have more to spend on what they want not what they need.
My understanding, is those who want food from the food banks have to be authorized by SS or similar, you don't just walk in fill your bag and walk out! You have to be validated. The Daily Mirror was caught out with a picture of a child crying and a blurb "1m are attending food banks in the UK..." However the photo was filched off the net and was an American child crying over worms or something, and it discredited the whole story. In the USA food banks and soup kitchens have been the norm for 50 years or more, and they are supposed to be one the most advanced and richest countries in the world. Also in the USA if you think Cameron and Co are oppressive towards disabled and poor you don't want to look at how the Americans treat theirs, one down and out was told to go away and die because he hadn't money to pay for treatment, we're next.
I think we're headed that way unfortunately Mervyn.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: They will increase in use who will refuse free food.Does not really mean they cant afford to buy any, just means they have more to spend on what they want not what they need.[/p][/quote]My understanding, is those who want food from the food banks have to be authorized by SS or similar, you don't just walk in fill your bag and walk out! You have to be validated. The Daily Mirror was caught out with a picture of a child crying and a blurb "1m are attending food banks in the UK..." However the photo was filched off the net and was an American child crying over worms or something, and it discredited the whole story. In the USA food banks and soup kitchens have been the norm for 50 years or more, and they are supposed to be one the most advanced and richest countries in the world. Also in the USA if you think Cameron and Co are oppressive towards disabled and poor you don't want to look at how the Americans treat theirs, one down and out was told to go away and die because he hadn't money to pay for treatment, we're next.[/p][/quote]I think we're headed that way unfortunately Mervyn. endthelies
  • Score: 5

7:55pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.
You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.
Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus

e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.[/p][/quote]You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.[/p][/quote]Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.[/p][/quote]You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you. Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

9:01pm Thu 17 Apr 14

endthelies says...

Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.
You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.
Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus


e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.
You may ask your children to pay your bills, but I couldn't. They don't earn a lot themselves, I had to work at 16 to help out my Mam,not that I minded, but I didn't want that for my own. I wanted them to be able to use their money from their meagre wages to learn to drive so they had a better chance of finding better employment, which, to their credit, they did. As for Milliband being p.m, I don't think he'll make a much better job than the cons. I'll be voting none of the above!
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.[/p][/quote]You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.[/p][/quote]Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.[/p][/quote]You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.[/p][/quote]You may ask your children to pay your bills, but I couldn't. They don't earn a lot themselves, I had to work at 16 to help out my Mam,not that I minded, but I didn't want that for my own. I wanted them to be able to use their money from their meagre wages to learn to drive so they had a better chance of finding better employment, which, to their credit, they did. As for Milliband being p.m, I don't think he'll make a much better job than the cons. I'll be voting none of the above! endthelies
  • Score: 6

9:05pm Thu 17 Apr 14

endthelies says...

Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.
You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.
Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus


e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.
And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.[/p][/quote]You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.[/p][/quote]Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.[/p][/quote]You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.[/p][/quote]And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do. endthelies
  • Score: 6

11:56pm Thu 17 Apr 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Look at what the Bassaleg one says above. When the lefties rant they sure do rant
As a proud leftie I take that as a compliment Dai Rear, cheers. With that said though I don't think you need to be a 'leftie' to be saddened by people going hungry in Britain in 2014. One of the main groups challenging the government on its inaction over food banks are the CoE bishops (once known as 'the tory party at prayer'). Hardly Militant Tendency are they?

Incidentally I notice that close to 3,000 in leafy Monmouthshire, with one of the lowest unemployment rates in Wales, have been referred for food parcels. Have yet to hear David Davies comment on this though - strange that. He should stop asking staged questions at pmqs and focus on the inconvenient truths on his doorstep.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Look at what the Bassaleg one says above. When the lefties rant they sure do rant[/p][/quote]As a proud leftie I take that as a compliment Dai Rear, cheers. With that said though I don't think you need to be a 'leftie' to be saddened by people going hungry in Britain in 2014. One of the main groups challenging the government on its inaction over food banks are the CoE bishops (once known as 'the tory party at prayer'). Hardly Militant Tendency are they? Incidentally I notice that close to 3,000 in leafy Monmouthshire, with one of the lowest unemployment rates in Wales, have been referred for food parcels. Have yet to hear David Davies comment on this though - strange that. He should stop asking staged questions at pmqs and focus on the inconvenient truths on his doorstep. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 7

7:48am Fri 18 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.
You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.
Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus



e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.
And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.
As the late Jim Reeves sang "we live in 2 different worlds". Perhaps the fact my grandmother was born in Moss Side and had to leave school at 12, as soon as she'd passed her Standard, to look after her father who'd gone blind, whilst mother and sister went out to work to keep the family mean I inherited attitudes towards debt not shared by habitués of food banks. Certainly much as you would believe the contrary my birthplace wasn't Blenheim Palace but a bungalow
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.[/p][/quote]You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.[/p][/quote]Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.[/p][/quote]You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.[/p][/quote]And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.[/p][/quote]As the late Jim Reeves sang "we live in 2 different worlds". Perhaps the fact my grandmother was born in Moss Side and had to leave school at 12, as soon as she'd passed her Standard, to look after her father who'd gone blind, whilst mother and sister went out to work to keep the family mean I inherited attitudes towards debt not shared by habitués of food banks. Certainly much as you would believe the contrary my birthplace wasn't Blenheim Palace but a bungalow Dai Rear
  • Score: -1

8:01am Fri 18 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Look at what the Bassaleg one says above. When the lefties rant they sure do rant
As a proud leftie I take that as a compliment Dai Rear, cheers. With that said though I don't think you need to be a 'leftie' to be saddened by people going hungry in Britain in 2014. One of the main groups challenging the government on its inaction over food banks are the CoE bishops (once known as 'the tory party at prayer'). Hardly Militant Tendency are they?

Incidentally I notice that close to 3,000 in leafy Monmouthshire, with one of the lowest unemployment rates in Wales, have been referred for food parcels. Have yet to hear David Davies comment on this though - strange that. He should stop asking staged questions at pmqs and focus on the inconvenient truths on his doorstep.
If government can legislate to make people behave rationally about debt then socialists, and the Cof E Social Workers, I mean bishops, are right and government is indeed God-like. From where I sit people like Maria Miller and Our First Jewish Prime Minister seem very small people indeed, and I'll not be holding my breath till Baby Bercow feeds us all on 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes. so there you are.
PS "proud leftie" may be an oxymoron. You should check it out.
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Look at what the Bassaleg one says above. When the lefties rant they sure do rant[/p][/quote]As a proud leftie I take that as a compliment Dai Rear, cheers. With that said though I don't think you need to be a 'leftie' to be saddened by people going hungry in Britain in 2014. One of the main groups challenging the government on its inaction over food banks are the CoE bishops (once known as 'the tory party at prayer'). Hardly Militant Tendency are they? Incidentally I notice that close to 3,000 in leafy Monmouthshire, with one of the lowest unemployment rates in Wales, have been referred for food parcels. Have yet to hear David Davies comment on this though - strange that. He should stop asking staged questions at pmqs and focus on the inconvenient truths on his doorstep.[/p][/quote]If government can legislate to make people behave rationally about debt then socialists, and the Cof E Social Workers, I mean bishops, are right and government is indeed God-like. From where I sit people like Maria Miller and Our First Jewish Prime Minister seem very small people indeed, and I'll not be holding my breath till Baby Bercow feeds us all on 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes. so there you are. PS "proud leftie" may be an oxymoron. You should check it out. Dai Rear
  • Score: -2

9:46am Fri 18 Apr 14

endthelies says...

Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.
You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.
Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus




e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.
And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.
As the late Jim Reeves sang "we live in 2 different worlds". Perhaps the fact my grandmother was born in Moss Side and had to leave school at 12, as soon as she'd passed her Standard, to look after her father who'd gone blind, whilst mother and sister went out to work to keep the family mean I inherited attitudes towards debt not shared by habitués of food banks. Certainly much as you would believe the contrary my birthplace wasn't Blenheim Palace but a bungalow
That was your grandmother. No offence but that was two generations away. My history is much more recent. I mean if you want to say that then I can tell you that my grandmother looked after her 5 brothers when she was 11 because her mother passed away. She lost two brothers to the pits and went to work in London as a scullery maid when she was older. I also have the same values as yourself towards debt, but circumstances can hand you a very bad hand in life and there's nothing you can do about it. I can't help but think you saying we live in two different worlds is correct.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.[/p][/quote]You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.[/p][/quote]Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.[/p][/quote]You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.[/p][/quote]And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.[/p][/quote]As the late Jim Reeves sang "we live in 2 different worlds". Perhaps the fact my grandmother was born in Moss Side and had to leave school at 12, as soon as she'd passed her Standard, to look after her father who'd gone blind, whilst mother and sister went out to work to keep the family mean I inherited attitudes towards debt not shared by habitués of food banks. Certainly much as you would believe the contrary my birthplace wasn't Blenheim Palace but a bungalow[/p][/quote]That was your grandmother. No offence but that was two generations away. My history is much more recent. I mean if you want to say that then I can tell you that my grandmother looked after her 5 brothers when she was 11 because her mother passed away. She lost two brothers to the pits and went to work in London as a scullery maid when she was older. I also have the same values as yourself towards debt, but circumstances can hand you a very bad hand in life and there's nothing you can do about it. I can't help but think you saying we live in two different worlds is correct. endthelies
  • Score: 3

10:41am Fri 18 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.
You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.
Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus





e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.
And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.
As the late Jim Reeves sang "we live in 2 different worlds". Perhaps the fact my grandmother was born in Moss Side and had to leave school at 12, as soon as she'd passed her Standard, to look after her father who'd gone blind, whilst mother and sister went out to work to keep the family mean I inherited attitudes towards debt not shared by habitués of food banks. Certainly much as you would believe the contrary my birthplace wasn't Blenheim Palace but a bungalow
That was your grandmother. No offence but that was two generations away. My history is much more recent. I mean if you want to say that then I can tell you that my grandmother looked after her 5 brothers when she was 11 because her mother passed away. She lost two brothers to the pits and went to work in London as a scullery maid when she was older. I also have the same values as yourself towards debt, but circumstances can hand you a very bad hand in life and there's nothing you can do about it. I can't help but think you saying we live in two different worlds is correct.
Why am I reminded of the Monty Python 'four Yorkshiremen sketch'

Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.[/p][/quote]You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.[/p][/quote]Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.[/p][/quote]You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.[/p][/quote]And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.[/p][/quote]As the late Jim Reeves sang "we live in 2 different worlds". Perhaps the fact my grandmother was born in Moss Side and had to leave school at 12, as soon as she'd passed her Standard, to look after her father who'd gone blind, whilst mother and sister went out to work to keep the family mean I inherited attitudes towards debt not shared by habitués of food banks. Certainly much as you would believe the contrary my birthplace wasn't Blenheim Palace but a bungalow[/p][/quote]That was your grandmother. No offence but that was two generations away. My history is much more recent. I mean if you want to say that then I can tell you that my grandmother looked after her 5 brothers when she was 11 because her mother passed away. She lost two brothers to the pits and went to work in London as a scullery maid when she was older. I also have the same values as yourself towards debt, but circumstances can hand you a very bad hand in life and there's nothing you can do about it. I can't help but think you saying we live in two different worlds is correct.[/p][/quote]Why am I reminded of the Monty Python 'four Yorkshiremen sketch' Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -1

11:00am Fri 18 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

In passing is it a better use of tax pounds for Newport Council to have the phone answered in Welsh whilst the populace expire (apparently) in their desperate search for a breadcrumb?
In passing is it a better use of tax pounds for Newport Council to have the phone answered in Welsh whilst the populace expire (apparently) in their desperate search for a breadcrumb? Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

12:57pm Fri 18 Apr 14

endthelies says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.
You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.
Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus






e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.
And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.
As the late Jim Reeves sang "we live in 2 different worlds". Perhaps the fact my grandmother was born in Moss Side and had to leave school at 12, as soon as she'd passed her Standard, to look after her father who'd gone blind, whilst mother and sister went out to work to keep the family mean I inherited attitudes towards debt not shared by habitués of food banks. Certainly much as you would believe the contrary my birthplace wasn't Blenheim Palace but a bungalow
That was your grandmother. No offence but that was two generations away. My history is much more recent. I mean if you want to say that then I can tell you that my grandmother looked after her 5 brothers when she was 11 because her mother passed away. She lost two brothers to the pits and went to work in London as a scullery maid when she was older. I also have the same values as yourself towards debt, but circumstances can hand you a very bad hand in life and there's nothing you can do about it. I can't help but think you saying we live in two different worlds is correct.
Why am I reminded of the Monty Python 'four Yorkshiremen sketch'

Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
You started it :) I simply gave you small picture of what is happening in the UK today but it seems I am banging my head against a brick wall. I was just trying to get people to understand that foodbanks HELP those in unfortunate circumstances, which can happen to any folk. If it can happen to me after working for nearly forty years, it can happen to anyone, but there are some people who would rather believe otherwise. Theres none as blind as they say.xx
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.[/p][/quote]You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.[/p][/quote]Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.[/p][/quote]You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.[/p][/quote]And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.[/p][/quote]As the late Jim Reeves sang "we live in 2 different worlds". Perhaps the fact my grandmother was born in Moss Side and had to leave school at 12, as soon as she'd passed her Standard, to look after her father who'd gone blind, whilst mother and sister went out to work to keep the family mean I inherited attitudes towards debt not shared by habitués of food banks. Certainly much as you would believe the contrary my birthplace wasn't Blenheim Palace but a bungalow[/p][/quote]That was your grandmother. No offence but that was two generations away. My history is much more recent. I mean if you want to say that then I can tell you that my grandmother looked after her 5 brothers when she was 11 because her mother passed away. She lost two brothers to the pits and went to work in London as a scullery maid when she was older. I also have the same values as yourself towards debt, but circumstances can hand you a very bad hand in life and there's nothing you can do about it. I can't help but think you saying we live in two different worlds is correct.[/p][/quote]Why am I reminded of the Monty Python 'four Yorkshiremen sketch' Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.[/p][/quote]You started it :) I simply gave you small picture of what is happening in the UK today but it seems I am banging my head against a brick wall. I was just trying to get people to understand that foodbanks HELP those in unfortunate circumstances, which can happen to any folk. If it can happen to me after working for nearly forty years, it can happen to anyone, but there are some people who would rather believe otherwise. Theres none as blind as they say.xx endthelies
  • Score: 3

1:02pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

endthelies wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.
You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.
Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus







e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.
And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.
As the late Jim Reeves sang "we live in 2 different worlds". Perhaps the fact my grandmother was born in Moss Side and had to leave school at 12, as soon as she'd passed her Standard, to look after her father who'd gone blind, whilst mother and sister went out to work to keep the family mean I inherited attitudes towards debt not shared by habitués of food banks. Certainly much as you would believe the contrary my birthplace wasn't Blenheim Palace but a bungalow
That was your grandmother. No offence but that was two generations away. My history is much more recent. I mean if you want to say that then I can tell you that my grandmother looked after her 5 brothers when she was 11 because her mother passed away. She lost two brothers to the pits and went to work in London as a scullery maid when she was older. I also have the same values as yourself towards debt, but circumstances can hand you a very bad hand in life and there's nothing you can do about it. I can't help but think you saying we live in two different worlds is correct.
Why am I reminded of the Monty Python 'four Yorkshiremen sketch'

Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
You started it :) I simply gave you small picture of what is happening in the UK today but it seems I am banging my head against a brick wall. I was just trying to get people to understand that foodbanks HELP those in unfortunate circumstances, which can happen to any folk. If it can happen to me after working for nearly forty years, it can happen to anyone, but there are some people who would rather believe otherwise. Theres none as blind as they say.xx
In my defence I would say that people wouldn't need food banks if benefits were targeted at those in genuine need. Sadly, the money is diluted due to people making stupid lifestyle choices and the freeloaders. Read my earlier post re my friend in Sussex. He's no Tory believe me. But his experience is real.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.[/p][/quote]You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.[/p][/quote]Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.[/p][/quote]You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.[/p][/quote]And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.[/p][/quote]As the late Jim Reeves sang "we live in 2 different worlds". Perhaps the fact my grandmother was born in Moss Side and had to leave school at 12, as soon as she'd passed her Standard, to look after her father who'd gone blind, whilst mother and sister went out to work to keep the family mean I inherited attitudes towards debt not shared by habitués of food banks. Certainly much as you would believe the contrary my birthplace wasn't Blenheim Palace but a bungalow[/p][/quote]That was your grandmother. No offence but that was two generations away. My history is much more recent. I mean if you want to say that then I can tell you that my grandmother looked after her 5 brothers when she was 11 because her mother passed away. She lost two brothers to the pits and went to work in London as a scullery maid when she was older. I also have the same values as yourself towards debt, but circumstances can hand you a very bad hand in life and there's nothing you can do about it. I can't help but think you saying we live in two different worlds is correct.[/p][/quote]Why am I reminded of the Monty Python 'four Yorkshiremen sketch' Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.[/p][/quote]You started it :) I simply gave you small picture of what is happening in the UK today but it seems I am banging my head against a brick wall. I was just trying to get people to understand that foodbanks HELP those in unfortunate circumstances, which can happen to any folk. If it can happen to me after working for nearly forty years, it can happen to anyone, but there are some people who would rather believe otherwise. Theres none as blind as they say.xx[/p][/quote]In my defence I would say that people wouldn't need food banks if benefits were targeted at those in genuine need. Sadly, the money is diluted due to people making stupid lifestyle choices and the freeloaders. Read my earlier post re my friend in Sussex. He's no Tory believe me. But his experience is real. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 0

1:09pm Fri 18 Apr 14

endthelies says...

You don't have to defend yourself LMA. As I said previously, there are people out there who try and play the system, here always has been and there always will. But never lose sight that there are people in genuine need.
As a sidenote, I'll be in Royal Gwent soon so please be nice to me if you come across me. I'll be the attractive dark haired lady (lol) having an op on her spine (who'll probably come out looking like an extra from a thriller video.) :-) Happy Easter one and all.
You don't have to defend yourself LMA. As I said previously, there are people out there who try and play the system, here always has been and there always will. But never lose sight that there are people in genuine need. As a sidenote, I'll be in Royal Gwent soon so please be nice to me if you come across me. I'll be the attractive dark haired lady (lol) having an op on her spine (who'll probably come out looking like an extra from a thriller video.) :-) Happy Easter one and all. endthelies
  • Score: 4

6:52pm Sat 19 Apr 14

jimmysmith says...

Bobevans wrote:
DDDog1 wrote:
I've an idea,let's bring in immigration rules like Australia and shut the borders to all the eastern scrounges ,then there would be enough decent paying jobs for people.
And bring in proper validation of the users of food banks. Many do not want to work so when they do not attend job centre interviews and get sanctioned they just use the food banks
deluded tory brainwashed bob evans you should visit a job center and just witness how ignorant the staff actually are towards members of the public and as for people not wanting to work it might not have occurred to you yet but theres no work out there any where .the job centers will post dozens of vacancies on theyre boards but the truth is theyre just advertising from agencies looking to upload names on to theyre registers .yet job center staff will force unemployed people to apply for interviews that dont exist then stop theyre meagre benefits when the individual cannot provide proof of attending non existant interview this is just one example .just go and visit any job center and witness for yourself how ignorantly people are treated .then also do some research into the way tourists are treated and what they are entitled to .i cannot go into on this site as i might be called racist etc as is the norm these days .you just hope you dont get caught up in the unemployment cycle bobby boy
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DDDog1[/bold] wrote: I've an idea,let's bring in immigration rules like Australia and shut the borders to all the eastern scrounges ,then there would be enough decent paying jobs for people.[/p][/quote]And bring in proper validation of the users of food banks. Many do not want to work so when they do not attend job centre interviews and get sanctioned they just use the food banks[/p][/quote]deluded tory brainwashed bob evans you should visit a job center and just witness how ignorant the staff actually are towards members of the public and as for people not wanting to work it might not have occurred to you yet but theres no work out there any where .the job centers will post dozens of vacancies on theyre boards but the truth is theyre just advertising from agencies looking to upload names on to theyre registers .yet job center staff will force unemployed people to apply for interviews that dont exist then stop theyre meagre benefits when the individual cannot provide proof of attending non existant interview this is just one example .just go and visit any job center and witness for yourself how ignorantly people are treated .then also do some research into the way tourists are treated and what they are entitled to .i cannot go into on this site as i might be called racist etc as is the norm these days .you just hope you dont get caught up in the unemployment cycle bobby boy jimmysmith
  • Score: 5

6:56pm Sat 19 Apr 14

jimmysmith says...

always annoys me that David Davies never comes out and makes a comment on the rising dependency on foodbanks by poor people around wales .but then again he couldnt relate to theyre plight could he .he can shove his snout into the bountiful trough gratis
always annoys me that David Davies never comes out and makes a comment on the rising dependency on foodbanks by poor people around wales .but then again he couldnt relate to theyre plight could he .he can shove his snout into the bountiful trough gratis jimmysmith
  • Score: 3

2:07pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Dai Rear wrote:
In passing is it a better use of tax pounds for Newport Council to have the phone answered in Welsh whilst the populace expire (apparently) in their desperate search for a breadcrumb?
Or the road signs or virtually all correspondence from the council.

On the grounds that I've never met a welsh speaker that couldn't speak, read and write English, it does appear to be a gross waste of public money.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: In passing is it a better use of tax pounds for Newport Council to have the phone answered in Welsh whilst the populace expire (apparently) in their desperate search for a breadcrumb?[/p][/quote]Or the road signs or virtually all correspondence from the council. On the grounds that I've never met a welsh speaker that couldn't speak, read and write English, it does appear to be a gross waste of public money. Good Job No Kids
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2:18pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Good Job No Kids says...

endthelies wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.
You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.
Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus







e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.
And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.
As the late Jim Reeves sang "we live in 2 different worlds". Perhaps the fact my grandmother was born in Moss Side and had to leave school at 12, as soon as she'd passed her Standard, to look after her father who'd gone blind, whilst mother and sister went out to work to keep the family mean I inherited attitudes towards debt not shared by habitués of food banks. Certainly much as you would believe the contrary my birthplace wasn't Blenheim Palace but a bungalow
That was your grandmother. No offence but that was two generations away. My history is much more recent. I mean if you want to say that then I can tell you that my grandmother looked after her 5 brothers when she was 11 because her mother passed away. She lost two brothers to the pits and went to work in London as a scullery maid when she was older. I also have the same values as yourself towards debt, but circumstances can hand you a very bad hand in life and there's nothing you can do about it. I can't help but think you saying we live in two different worlds is correct.
Why am I reminded of the Monty Python 'four Yorkshiremen sketch'

Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
You started it :) I simply gave you small picture of what is happening in the UK today but it seems I am banging my head against a brick wall. I was just trying to get people to understand that foodbanks HELP those in unfortunate circumstances, which can happen to any folk. If it can happen to me after working for nearly forty years, it can happen to anyone, but there are some people who would rather believe otherwise. Theres none as blind as they say.xx
Your points are valid to an extent and some what commendable in defence of genuine recipiants, but to say that food banks are not being abused and that no recipients are there due to poor budgeting priorities and other habits is just naive.

To blame the big bad tories is also a very blinkered view.

If labour had not created the benefits dependency for so many during their 13 year tenure handing out money like sweets, the effect of turning off the taps would not have been so severe.

Cutting the welfare bill is essential and sometimes people need the stick rather than the carrot!

Also if you are ill prepared for baron spell after 40 years of work then more fool you.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.[/p][/quote]You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.[/p][/quote]Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.[/p][/quote]You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.[/p][/quote]And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.[/p][/quote]As the late Jim Reeves sang "we live in 2 different worlds". Perhaps the fact my grandmother was born in Moss Side and had to leave school at 12, as soon as she'd passed her Standard, to look after her father who'd gone blind, whilst mother and sister went out to work to keep the family mean I inherited attitudes towards debt not shared by habitués of food banks. Certainly much as you would believe the contrary my birthplace wasn't Blenheim Palace but a bungalow[/p][/quote]That was your grandmother. No offence but that was two generations away. My history is much more recent. I mean if you want to say that then I can tell you that my grandmother looked after her 5 brothers when she was 11 because her mother passed away. She lost two brothers to the pits and went to work in London as a scullery maid when she was older. I also have the same values as yourself towards debt, but circumstances can hand you a very bad hand in life and there's nothing you can do about it. I can't help but think you saying we live in two different worlds is correct.[/p][/quote]Why am I reminded of the Monty Python 'four Yorkshiremen sketch' Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.[/p][/quote]You started it :) I simply gave you small picture of what is happening in the UK today but it seems I am banging my head against a brick wall. I was just trying to get people to understand that foodbanks HELP those in unfortunate circumstances, which can happen to any folk. If it can happen to me after working for nearly forty years, it can happen to anyone, but there are some people who would rather believe otherwise. Theres none as blind as they say.xx[/p][/quote]Your points are valid to an extent and some what commendable in defence of genuine recipiants, but to say that food banks are not being abused and that no recipients are there due to poor budgeting priorities and other habits is just naive. To blame the big bad tories is also a very blinkered view. If labour had not created the benefits dependency for so many during their 13 year tenure handing out money like sweets, the effect of turning off the taps would not have been so severe. Cutting the welfare bill is essential and sometimes people need the stick rather than the carrot! Also if you are ill prepared for baron spell after 40 years of work then more fool you. Good Job No Kids
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4:44pm Tue 22 Apr 14

endthelies says...

Good Job No Kids wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
endthelies wrote:
I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.
You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.
Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus








e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.
And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.
As the late Jim Reeves sang "we live in 2 different worlds". Perhaps the fact my grandmother was born in Moss Side and had to leave school at 12, as soon as she'd passed her Standard, to look after her father who'd gone blind, whilst mother and sister went out to work to keep the family mean I inherited attitudes towards debt not shared by habitués of food banks. Certainly much as you would believe the contrary my birthplace wasn't Blenheim Palace but a bungalow
That was your grandmother. No offence but that was two generations away. My history is much more recent. I mean if you want to say that then I can tell you that my grandmother looked after her 5 brothers when she was 11 because her mother passed away. She lost two brothers to the pits and went to work in London as a scullery maid when she was older. I also have the same values as yourself towards debt, but circumstances can hand you a very bad hand in life and there's nothing you can do about it. I can't help but think you saying we live in two different worlds is correct.
Why am I reminded of the Monty Python 'four Yorkshiremen sketch'

Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.
You started it :) I simply gave you small picture of what is happening in the UK today but it seems I am banging my head against a brick wall. I was just trying to get people to understand that foodbanks HELP those in unfortunate circumstances, which can happen to any folk. If it can happen to me after working for nearly forty years, it can happen to anyone, but there are some people who would rather believe otherwise. Theres none as blind as they say.xx
Your points are valid to an extent and some what commendable in defence of genuine recipiants, but to say that food banks are not being abused and that no recipients are there due to poor budgeting priorities and other habits is just naive.

To blame the big bad tories is also a very blinkered view.

If labour had not created the benefits dependency for so many during their 13 year tenure handing out money like sweets, the effect of turning off the taps would not have been so severe.

Cutting the welfare bill is essential and sometimes people need the stick rather than the carrot!

Also if you are ill prepared for baron spell after 40 years of work then more fool you.
Fair enough then I'm a fool. I spent my working life struggling to pay the bills and be debt free, I paid my taxes and my N.I. I cared for my mother whilst working full time until her death and saved the government thousands in benefit payments but there you are. Maybe I was a fool. But at least I'm not ignorant.
[quote][p][bold]Good Job No Kids[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry Dai but not everyone does have family who can feed and keep them for six weeks. I'm not saying that there are not people who are not trying to play the system, there always is. But there are genuinely needy folk out there that need a hand until they can get on their feet. AS cymru noted in their post, a good proportion is down to benefit sanctions. I think you must be a very lucky person who maybe hasn't actually had to suffer the hardships life can throw at you. I had to 'retire' due to my ill health. I have no parents, no brothers or sisters who could support me and I did not get any benefits through for 14 weeks, and even then. it was not what I should have been entitled to. I did not use foodbanks however, I had a few bob when I was medically retired, which went on keeping my family for 12 weeks. For every case that is playing the system, there are many others who are desperate. Maybe I'm to softhearted, I know, but that's the way I am.[/p][/quote]You know about it so if you say that the bureaucracy crashed in May 2010 and everything was paid immediately up till and then.And as soon as Camclegg came to power it went into 14 week arrears, then you're right. But that's a bureaucratic administrative failing, not a welfare one, isn't it? Actually this is tongue in cheek . Delays always existed. There weren't always food banks. If they'd become popular in 97 would that have meant BlairBrown were tight on the welfare front? And you know as well as I do that we're not talking about a family "supporting" anyone. A few tins of beans, a couple of rashers and a bag of spuds is what the FB people get.[/p][/quote]Ok. the foodbank gives these folk the food they nedd. There's also rent to pay, gas and electric to pay. In my case, I couldn't even get to doctors appointments because I don't drive and I couldn't afford to pay the taxi money to get me to the appointments,(becaus e I can't walk) so missed them. Foodbanks HELP when you are on your knees. Food can be provided so that a family can have food. I said before, the foodbanks have opened because before this government, people were able to access emergency funds to tide them over, which had to be paid back. However, Cameron stopped that so now there is NO help until your first paycheck arrives. When I say supporting a family, I mean supporting a family. I really think you have no idea and I'm glad you haven't had to experience the indignity that I have. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.[/p][/quote]You win. The nation has disintegrated since 2010. You will be very happy when Miliband is PM. I think that things will get a lot worse. it's sad that your family couldn't help you. I'd like to think my children would help each other. There wasn't a lot around in '84 when I worked in Abertillery but people did seem to help each other. And the NUM Lodge officials helped themselves. There we are. You no doubt speak for the Brave New World. So salvation is only 14 months away for you.[/p][/quote]And just a little side note from me. I'm not trying to 'win' anything. I simply tell the truth as to how things are for those less fortunate. Ive been there from the age of 9 when my father died, I know what its like. If its hard to hear then I'm sorry but I can only go by my own experiences. As I said Dai, count your blessings. I do.[/p][/quote]As the late Jim Reeves sang "we live in 2 different worlds". Perhaps the fact my grandmother was born in Moss Side and had to leave school at 12, as soon as she'd passed her Standard, to look after her father who'd gone blind, whilst mother and sister went out to work to keep the family mean I inherited attitudes towards debt not shared by habitués of food banks. Certainly much as you would believe the contrary my birthplace wasn't Blenheim Palace but a bungalow[/p][/quote]That was your grandmother. No offence but that was two generations away. My history is much more recent. I mean if you want to say that then I can tell you that my grandmother looked after her 5 brothers when she was 11 because her mother passed away. She lost two brothers to the pits and went to work in London as a scullery maid when she was older. I also have the same values as yourself towards debt, but circumstances can hand you a very bad hand in life and there's nothing you can do about it. I can't help but think you saying we live in two different worlds is correct.[/p][/quote]Why am I reminded of the Monty Python 'four Yorkshiremen sketch' Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would slice us in two wit' bread knife.[/p][/quote]You started it :) I simply gave you small picture of what is happening in the UK today but it seems I am banging my head against a brick wall. I was just trying to get people to understand that foodbanks HELP those in unfortunate circumstances, which can happen to any folk. If it can happen to me after working for nearly forty years, it can happen to anyone, but there are some people who would rather believe otherwise. Theres none as blind as they say.xx[/p][/quote]Your points are valid to an extent and some what commendable in defence of genuine recipiants, but to say that food banks are not being abused and that no recipients are there due to poor budgeting priorities and other habits is just naive. To blame the big bad tories is also a very blinkered view. If labour had not created the benefits dependency for so many during their 13 year tenure handing out money like sweets, the effect of turning off the taps would not have been so severe. Cutting the welfare bill is essential and sometimes people need the stick rather than the carrot! Also if you are ill prepared for baron spell after 40 years of work then more fool you.[/p][/quote]Fair enough then I'm a fool. I spent my working life struggling to pay the bills and be debt free, I paid my taxes and my N.I. I cared for my mother whilst working full time until her death and saved the government thousands in benefit payments but there you are. Maybe I was a fool. But at least I'm not ignorant. endthelies
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4:46pm Tue 22 Apr 14

endthelies says...

P.S the benefit dependency was actually brought about by Thatcher, who placed people on sickness benefits to hide the unemployment figures when she tore through our industries. That's a fact. Just look it up.
P.S the benefit dependency was actually brought about by Thatcher, who placed people on sickness benefits to hide the unemployment figures when she tore through our industries. That's a fact. Just look it up. endthelies
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6:00pm Tue 22 Apr 14

cymruamblyth says...

endthelies wrote:
cymruamblyth wrote:
Interestingly the BBC rang the same story and below are a few of the Editors top 15 picks

898.
Jam1001
9 Hours ago

My sister is on benefits, she has 3 children, she goes to food banks because she 'needs' to. She has £300 cash per week in various benefits, she has her rent and taxes paid for her. 3 of her kids have iPads, all have new branded clothes and gadgets. She uses food banks because she has little money left after luxuries.

There is no need for food banks. People just do not prioritise needs over wants

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Comment number 791.
Redredred
9 Hours ago

In my job I have to give out food bank vouchers. A good proportion is due to benefit delay or sanction. An equally good proportion is down to poor budgeting, reliance on expensive pre-prepared foods and prioritising debts to mates, cigarettes and alcohol over food and rent.
Ive just read the posts you refer to cymru and there are an awful lot more comments on there that dispute the ones you've chosen to post on here.
I choose those posts mainly as they where the top two posts.

Besides if a few people here are to be believed only the Mail, Sun, Express, Star, Independent, Jeremy Clarkson, Mike Buckingham, Richard Littlejohn, Welshman and Dominic "oh my word" Diamond etc etc would say those things..

So most of the UK press in other words...
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cymruamblyth[/bold] wrote: Interestingly the BBC rang the same story and below are a few of the Editors top 15 picks 898. Jam1001 9 Hours ago My sister is on benefits, she has 3 children, she goes to food banks because she 'needs' to. She has £300 cash per week in various benefits, she has her rent and taxes paid for her. 3 of her kids have iPads, all have new branded clothes and gadgets. She uses food banks because she has little money left after luxuries. There is no need for food banks. People just do not prioritise needs over wants Rate this comment positivelyRate this comment negatively +9 Comment number 791. Redredred 9 Hours ago In my job I have to give out food bank vouchers. A good proportion is due to benefit delay or sanction. An equally good proportion is down to poor budgeting, reliance on expensive pre-prepared foods and prioritising debts to mates, cigarettes and alcohol over food and rent.[/p][/quote]Ive just read the posts you refer to cymru and there are an awful lot more comments on there that dispute the ones you've chosen to post on here.[/p][/quote]I choose those posts mainly as they where the top two posts. Besides if a few people here are to be believed only the Mail, Sun, Express, Star, Independent, Jeremy Clarkson, Mike Buckingham, Richard Littlejohn, Welshman and Dominic "oh my word" Diamond etc etc would say those things.. So most of the UK press in other words... cymruamblyth
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