Parts of Gwent 'like third world' says AM

South Wales Argus: Parts of South East Wales "like third world" - Gwent AM Parts of South East Wales "like third world" - Gwent AM

A GWENT Tory AM likened parts of his own constituency to the third world and Eastern Europe in an Assembly speech.

Mohammad Asghar suggested that the Welsh Government had turned parts of South Wales East - which covers all of Gwent - into a developing or post-communist country in a debate on Wednesday.

Labour First minister Carwyn Jones said the third world comparison by Mohammad Asghar was a profound insult while Alun Davies, AM for Blaenau Gwent, asked for Mr Asghar to apologise.

South Wales East AM Mr Asghar, who was speaking during a Welsh Conservative debate on Welsh Labour's alleged policy failures during 15 years in government, said the poorest regions in the UK come from his area – “Blaenau Gwent, Islwyn, Torfaen, Methyr, those areas.”

He said: “This government must be ashamed, you must be ashamed, of giving people bad unemployment there... The people in those areas are screaming for the help.

“In this part of the world if you look at Newport, Merthyr, Caerphilly, Pontypool, Hengoed... these areas, go and see and look at empty shops.

Raising his voice, Mr Asghar said: “Don’t tell me! Don’t tell me! I go there every week. The record they’ve got is virtually the worst in the world! We are getting this European funding - you failed to deliver!

"You bring this part of the world like third world, like East European countries!”

Carwyn Jones, first minister, told the debate that Mr Asghar had said “that Blaenau Gwent was part of the third world. That’s what he said.

Mr Jones said: “To describe Blaenau Gwent in those terms is a profound insult to the people who live there and is a profound insult to those people who live in developing countries who face very difficult lives – I ask him to reconsider that point."

At the end of the debate the AM for Blaenau Gwent and natural resources minister, Alun Davies, said: “I ask the Conservative member of South East Wales reflects on what he says, withdraws his remarks and apologises to the people of Blaenau Gwent."

A spokesman for the Welsh Conservatives said last night: “After 15 years of successive Labour governments and the mis-spending of £4billion of EU aid, Blaenau Gwent and other Valleys communities remain amongst the very poorest parts of Europe despite the accession of former communist bloc countries.”

Plaid AM for South Wales East Jocelyn Davies said the member’s comments were silly and ill-considered.

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7:35pm Wed 21 May 14

corpardguy says...

After living and working in Europe the mid East and theUSA I sort of agree with this guy. Health care is abysmal, the streets are filthy and many people have been left with little of no hope of a decent job that will last for any time at all. The infrastructure of Gwent is crumbling and ask anyone if the want to take a walk after dark in any of the major urban conurbations. Couple this with underperforming schools and the historically low and poorly managed investments and the future not looking too bright is it?
Ordinary people suffer the most and their elected officials ought to be looking after them NOT their own political careers!
After living and working in Europe the mid East and theUSA I sort of agree with this guy. Health care is abysmal, the streets are filthy and many people have been left with little of no hope of a decent job that will last for any time at all. The infrastructure of Gwent is crumbling and ask anyone if the want to take a walk after dark in any of the major urban conurbations. Couple this with underperforming schools and the historically low and poorly managed investments and the future not looking too bright is it? Ordinary people suffer the most and their elected officials ought to be looking after them NOT their own political careers! corpardguy
  • Score: 81

8:17pm Wed 21 May 14

paddyparry says...

I think the people of Gwent should feel insulted. Not by this guy but by Carwyn and his cohorts. 15 years of Labour rule and we are getting worse, not better. Where have the billions of European money gone? How many jobs have been created, not on council staff or Assembly staff, but private sector jobs? I'm not a great fan of Mr Asghar but his point, badly expressed, is absolutely correct.
I think the people of Gwent should feel insulted. Not by this guy but by Carwyn and his cohorts. 15 years of Labour rule and we are getting worse, not better. Where have the billions of European money gone? How many jobs have been created, not on council staff or Assembly staff, but private sector jobs? I'm not a great fan of Mr Asghar but his point, badly expressed, is absolutely correct. paddyparry
  • Score: 82

8:17pm Wed 21 May 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

In Torfaen I can well believe it, the community council paid £3,752 of tax payers money to The John Williams Fielding VC Memorial Trust to secure funding for a replacement headstone!, and spent thousands on Twinning activities and councillor subsidised trips to Germany!! they could be helping the low paid and unemployed instead,
In Torfaen I can well believe it, the community council paid £3,752 of tax payers money to The John Williams Fielding VC Memorial Trust to secure funding for a replacement headstone!, and spent thousands on Twinning activities and councillor subsidised trips to Germany!! they could be helping the low paid and unemployed instead, Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 58

8:22pm Wed 21 May 14

sharon1717 says...

I drove on better minor roads in the Ukraine than the average main road in blaenau gwent. Someone needs to tell Hedley, Alun and their cronies that chucking a shovel of tarmac into potholes from the back of a lorry ain't maintaining the transport system
I drove on better minor roads in the Ukraine than the average main road in blaenau gwent. Someone needs to tell Hedley, Alun and their cronies that chucking a shovel of tarmac into potholes from the back of a lorry ain't maintaining the transport system sharon1717
  • Score: 67

8:27pm Wed 21 May 14

Keith Barnett says...

The facts speak for themselves, continually voting Labour, having a Labour run government has given you this!
It's called democracy - you get what you vote for - rubbish!!
The facts speak for themselves, continually voting Labour, having a Labour run government has given you this! It's called democracy - you get what you vote for - rubbish!! Keith Barnett
  • Score: 58

8:27pm Wed 21 May 14

Independentvoter says...

Mr Asghar - YOUR Government in Parliament has created this 3rd World country !!! Wake up buddy I think you joined the wrong party (Again and again and again ).
Mr Asghar - YOUR Government in Parliament has created this 3rd World country !!! Wake up buddy I think you joined the wrong party (Again and again and again ). Independentvoter
  • Score: -29

8:34pm Wed 21 May 14

Magor says...

Look around the UK the areas that return Labour politicians are dumps.Prosperous areas dont vote Labour and they need to keep it that way or lose votes.
Look around the UK the areas that return Labour politicians are dumps.Prosperous areas dont vote Labour and they need to keep it that way or lose votes. Magor
  • Score: 29

8:41pm Wed 21 May 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Torfaen and Wales switches from full time secure work to p/t temp and 0 hours contracts/ low pay grades, The National Labour message is to protect pay and help the unemployed, Local Labour however fail in their own back yard!! shame they are not connecting and have not been connecting for many years, little wonder people are picking up blunt instruments to make a statement (Ukip) STOP WAKE UP.
Labour may not have caused it but are not helping, hitting them over the head with a kipper club wont help.... there are more progressive movements.

Read: https://t.co/bj9Kh8S
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Torfaen and Wales switches from full time secure work to p/t temp and 0 hours contracts/ low pay grades, The National Labour message is to protect pay and help the unemployed, Local Labour however fail in their own back yard!! shame they are not connecting and have not been connecting for many years, little wonder people are picking up blunt instruments to make a statement (Ukip) STOP WAKE UP. Labour may not have caused it but are not helping, hitting them over the head with a kipper club wont help.... there are more progressive movements. Read: https://t.co/bj9Kh8S nol . Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 31

8:42pm Wed 21 May 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

https://t.co/bj9Kh8S
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https://t.co/bj9Kh8S nol Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 5

9:10pm Wed 21 May 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Torfaen is consistently above the wales average for people in lower paid jobs. (April 11 to Sept 13 sample period)

having trouble Try this link again: https://t.co/bj9Kh8S
nol .
Torfaen is consistently above the wales average for people in lower paid jobs. (April 11 to Sept 13 sample period) having trouble Try this link again: https://t.co/bj9Kh8S nol . Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 10

9:13pm Wed 21 May 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

I have lived and worked in a former communist country in Eastern Europe for a year very recently. I have to agree. The man is right. There are many similarities.
I have lived and worked in a former communist country in Eastern Europe for a year very recently. I have to agree. The man is right. There are many similarities. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: 32

9:15pm Wed 21 May 14

mikewelsh says...

Well said, i say. Refreshing comments, nice to see a politician having the balls to say what he really sees. He did say parts of Gwent, not all. He didn't say where Mr Jones or Mr Davies live. He hasn't insulted me in anyway. I can only pass comment on the Pill and Corpo Road areas, Mr Asghar is spot on. Give the man a pat on the back for his observations, findings and truthful comments.
Well said, i say. Refreshing comments, nice to see a politician having the balls to say what he really sees. He did say parts of Gwent, not all. He didn't say where Mr Jones or Mr Davies live. He hasn't insulted me in anyway. I can only pass comment on the Pill and Corpo Road areas, Mr Asghar is spot on. Give the man a pat on the back for his observations, findings and truthful comments. mikewelsh
  • Score: 57

9:18pm Wed 21 May 14

topdog99 says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
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Torfaen is consistently above the wales average for people in lower paid jobs. (April 11 to Sept 13 sample period)

having trouble Try this link again: https://t.co/bj9Kh8S

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Labour loosing out to other socialist and more progressive party’s like Plaid Cymru and the Green Party!
The answer is to be careful who you vote for. Labour run Torfaen and Wales. But don’t jump out of the frying pan and into the fire.

http://greenparty.or
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[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: Torfaen is consistently above the wales average for people in lower paid jobs. (April 11 to Sept 13 sample period) having trouble Try this link again: https://t.co/bj9Kh8S nol .[/p][/quote]Labour loosing out to other socialist and more progressive party’s like Plaid Cymru and the Green Party! The answer is to be careful who you vote for. Labour run Torfaen and Wales. But don’t jump out of the frying pan and into the fire. http://greenparty.or g.uk/values/fair-soc iety.html topdog99
  • Score: 15

9:39pm Wed 21 May 14

kez1968 says...

Come over to blaenau gwent, have a look at the state the council has left the borough in, labour has been in charge here since the dawn of time. they say power corrupts and absolute power, corrupts absolutely. we have one of the highest council taxes in wales, we are the only borough which still has negative house prices, no public toilets, roads in an awful mess, rubbish everywhere, services slashed, high unemployment, drug and alcohol abuse rife, yes I have to agree with the AM...
Come over to blaenau gwent, have a look at the state the council has left the borough in, labour has been in charge here since the dawn of time. they say power corrupts and absolute power, corrupts absolutely. we have one of the highest council taxes in wales, we are the only borough which still has negative house prices, no public toilets, roads in an awful mess, rubbish everywhere, services slashed, high unemployment, drug and alcohol abuse rife, yes I have to agree with the AM... kez1968
  • Score: 53

10:24pm Wed 21 May 14

Blodwen Puw says...

I think we should remember what is meant by 3rd world countries. Parts of Wales may be impoverished and neglected, but I haven't seen anything like the poverty, disease and misery of the African nations as seen on the news most days.
Sorry, but not having all the trappings of a capitalist country is long way from being 3rd world. Count your blessings and send a donation to Save the Children.
I think we should remember what is meant by 3rd world countries. Parts of Wales may be impoverished and neglected, but I haven't seen anything like the poverty, disease and misery of the African nations as seen on the news most days. Sorry, but not having all the trappings of a capitalist country is long way from being 3rd world. Count your blessings and send a donation to Save the Children. Blodwen Puw
  • Score: -20

10:42pm Wed 21 May 14

Bart45 says...

Independentvoter wrote:
Mr Asghar - YOUR Government in Parliament has created this 3rd World country !!! Wake up buddy I think you joined the wrong party (Again and again and again ).
I can't agree with you Independentvoter. Some of the funding cuts from central government have been brutal even if some of them can be justified. But a Labour led UK government, Labour led Assembly and Labour led councils have shown themselves more than capable of wasting money on a colossal scale. How much wasted on the TCBC laptops? How much on the SRS? How much on the Shaolin Cymru temple or new TVs and plants for the Assembly building? And the problems with the NHS and education predate any budget tampering from Westminster. Personally I wouldn't trust them to run a tea fund.
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: Mr Asghar - YOUR Government in Parliament has created this 3rd World country !!! Wake up buddy I think you joined the wrong party (Again and again and again ).[/p][/quote]I can't agree with you Independentvoter. Some of the funding cuts from central government have been brutal even if some of them can be justified. But a Labour led UK government, Labour led Assembly and Labour led councils have shown themselves more than capable of wasting money on a colossal scale. How much wasted on the TCBC laptops? How much on the SRS? How much on the Shaolin Cymru temple or new TVs and plants for the Assembly building? And the problems with the NHS and education predate any budget tampering from Westminster. Personally I wouldn't trust them to run a tea fund. Bart45
  • Score: 27

11:00pm Wed 21 May 14

Mr Bump. says...

Mo is an empty vessel, they make a noise yes, but are pretty redundant. He's a goner come next election, unless he secures UKIP membership. This clown will fit in well there.
Mo is an empty vessel, they make a noise yes, but are pretty redundant. He's a goner come next election, unless he secures UKIP membership. This clown will fit in well there. Mr Bump.
  • Score: -35

11:00pm Wed 21 May 14

Floppy backed says...

Can you see 'Welcome to Wales' sign boards or even basic road signs around Wales? No! it seems acceptable to let vegetation to overgrow it looks horrendous then they say they want to attract tourism and plough thousands in this venture. Surely getting the areas tidied up and the roads in Torfaen are horrific - our potholes are mammoth. But then again, there is no industry up the valleys, roads have been diverted to skim the town, the towns have no appeal nor the wealth to subsidise them and even with massive cash influx is that truely going to turn these areas around? You cant force industry to invest in these areas when the bridge tolls are so high when you can invest in Bristol with a better skills workforce and overheads of the bridge.

I am so glad my family made the decision to move away from Blaenau gwent in the 70's when coal went best decision ever. I dont think these areas will ever recover post coal no matter how much money is ploughed into it.
Can you see 'Welcome to Wales' sign boards or even basic road signs around Wales? No! it seems acceptable to let vegetation to overgrow it looks horrendous then they say they want to attract tourism and plough thousands in this venture. Surely getting the areas tidied up and the roads in Torfaen are horrific - our potholes are mammoth. But then again, there is no industry up the valleys, roads have been diverted to skim the town, the towns have no appeal nor the wealth to subsidise them and even with massive cash influx is that truely going to turn these areas around? You cant force industry to invest in these areas when the bridge tolls are so high when you can invest in Bristol with a better skills workforce and overheads of the bridge. I am so glad my family made the decision to move away from Blaenau gwent in the 70's when coal went best decision ever. I dont think these areas will ever recover post coal no matter how much money is ploughed into it. Floppy backed
  • Score: 26

11:25pm Wed 21 May 14

cymruamblyth says...

Well said Mr Asghar nice to see a Councillor having the courage to speak up and not tow the party line.. According to the census Blaenau Gwent has a population decline year on year and places like Barrett are not interested in building homes in the valleys
Well said Mr Asghar nice to see a Councillor having the courage to speak up and not tow the party line.. According to the census Blaenau Gwent has a population decline year on year and places like Barrett are not interested in building homes in the valleys cymruamblyth
  • Score: 25

10:22am Thu 22 May 14

Crossbenchtory says...

As I've said many times before, people do not vote Labour because they are poor, they are poor because they continually vote Labour.

Labour = Socialist
LibDem = Socialist
Plaid Cymru = National Socialist
Conservative = Socialist

Socialism = Poverty
As I've said many times before, people do not vote Labour because they are poor, they are poor because they continually vote Labour. Labour = Socialist LibDem = Socialist Plaid Cymru = National Socialist Conservative = Socialist Socialism = Poverty Crossbenchtory
  • Score: 8

11:52am Thu 22 May 14

-trigg- says...

Labour First minister Carwyn Jones said the third world comparison by Mohammad Asghar was a profound insult


Not so much a profound insult as profoundly accurate.
[quote]Labour First minister Carwyn Jones said the third world comparison by Mohammad Asghar was a profound insult [/quote] Not so much a profound insult as profoundly accurate. -trigg-
  • Score: 21

11:56am Thu 22 May 14

-trigg- says...

And on reflection, I would like to add that the only part of Carwyn Jones' statement I can agree with is that it "is a profound insult to those people who live in developing countries". Indeed, I'm sure they would be horrified to hear they were being compared to some parts of South East Wales...
And on reflection, I would like to add that the only part of Carwyn Jones' statement I can agree with is that it "is a profound insult to those people who live in developing countries". Indeed, I'm sure they would be horrified to hear they were being compared to some parts of South East Wales... -trigg-
  • Score: 20

12:08pm Thu 22 May 14

p stani says...

I have no time for the bloke or any politician really,but he is right whenever I go abroad the roads are great, roundabouts are floral displays,you can walk the streets at night as they leave the lamp posts on, trees are managed and trimmed and lets be honest everywhere you look in Newport it is overgrown and unkept and really there is no excuse for it.
I have no time for the bloke or any politician really,but he is right whenever I go abroad the roads are great, roundabouts are floral displays,you can walk the streets at night as they leave the lamp posts on, trees are managed and trimmed and lets be honest everywhere you look in Newport it is overgrown and unkept and really there is no excuse for it. p stani
  • Score: 16

12:23pm Thu 22 May 14

welshmen says...

cymruamblyth wrote:
Well said Mr Asghar nice to see a Councillor having the courage to speak up and not tow the party line.. According to the census Blaenau Gwent has a population decline year on year and places like Barrett are not interested in building homes in the valleys
Where's Barrett? never been there, and you supporting a racist comment by Mo, "You bring this part of the world like third world, like East European countries!” is it to many immigrants?, is it or the wrong colour? what is it cymruamblyth??? and be a little bit more coherent....
[quote][p][bold]cymruamblyth[/bold] wrote: Well said Mr Asghar nice to see a Councillor having the courage to speak up and not tow the party line.. According to the census Blaenau Gwent has a population decline year on year and places like Barrett are not interested in building homes in the valleys[/p][/quote]Where's Barrett? never been there, and you supporting a racist comment by Mo, "You bring this part of the world like third world, like East European countries!” is it to many immigrants?, is it or the wrong colour? what is it cymruamblyth??? and be a little bit more coherent.... welshmen
  • Score: -24

12:39pm Thu 22 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

kez1968 wrote:
Come over to blaenau gwent, have a look at the state the council has left the borough in, labour has been in charge here since the dawn of time. they say power corrupts and absolute power, corrupts absolutely. we have one of the highest council taxes in wales, we are the only borough which still has negative house prices, no public toilets, roads in an awful mess, rubbish everywhere, services slashed, high unemployment, drug and alcohol abuse rife, yes I have to agree with the AM...
You want to look at the state of the roads everywhere not just in Blaenau Gwent.
The Candwr Road in Ponthir resembles what can only be described as a patchwork quilt. The numerous potholes have been filled in (poorly) and I don't think that they will last a winter.
The so-called Council's 'jewel in the crown' Caerleon is also in a terrible state.
Roads as you come in are appalling, the fronts of most of the properties lining the road look as though they haven't been painted for 20 years.
Who would wish to visit such a run down excuse of a tourist attraction?
Most of the businesses don't survive for long there either.
It is shocking that South East Wales is the gateway to our Country
What impression does this give to visitors coming over the bridge?
Although, I suspect that most people in the area will vote in their hordes for Labour to be returned again at the next election.
I am not so sure that people want things to improve.
Just blame Margaret Thatcher for everything and maybe just one day, things will get better. However, I very much doubt it.
[quote][p][bold]kez1968[/bold] wrote: Come over to blaenau gwent, have a look at the state the council has left the borough in, labour has been in charge here since the dawn of time. they say power corrupts and absolute power, corrupts absolutely. we have one of the highest council taxes in wales, we are the only borough which still has negative house prices, no public toilets, roads in an awful mess, rubbish everywhere, services slashed, high unemployment, drug and alcohol abuse rife, yes I have to agree with the AM...[/p][/quote]You want to look at the state of the roads everywhere not just in Blaenau Gwent. The Candwr Road in Ponthir resembles what can only be described as a patchwork quilt. The numerous potholes have been filled in (poorly) and I don't think that they will last a winter. The so-called Council's 'jewel in the crown' Caerleon is also in a terrible state. Roads as you come in are appalling, the fronts of most of the properties lining the road look as though they haven't been painted for 20 years. Who would wish to visit such a run down excuse of a tourist attraction? Most of the businesses don't survive for long there either. It is shocking that South East Wales is the gateway to our Country What impression does this give to visitors coming over the bridge? Although, I suspect that most people in the area will vote in their hordes for Labour to be returned again at the next election. I am not so sure that people want things to improve. Just blame Margaret Thatcher for everything and maybe just one day, things will get better. However, I very much doubt it. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 3

12:44pm Thu 22 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

p stani wrote:
I have no time for the bloke or any politician really,but he is right whenever I go abroad the roads are great, roundabouts are floral displays,you can walk the streets at night as they leave the lamp posts on, trees are managed and trimmed and lets be honest everywhere you look in Newport it is overgrown and unkept and really there is no excuse for it.
And where do you think that places like Spain got the money from to achieve this?
EU of course, funded in large part by British taxpayers.
Yet, as you point out,nothing like that here.
[quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: I have no time for the bloke or any politician really,but he is right whenever I go abroad the roads are great, roundabouts are floral displays,you can walk the streets at night as they leave the lamp posts on, trees are managed and trimmed and lets be honest everywhere you look in Newport it is overgrown and unkept and really there is no excuse for it.[/p][/quote]And where do you think that places like Spain got the money from to achieve this? EU of course, funded in large part by British taxpayers. Yet, as you point out,nothing like that here. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -1

1:44pm Thu 22 May 14

Bart45 says...

I can see a thread emerging here. It is apparent to me at least that Labour has stopped representing the people and is more interested in preserving the party. Anyone or anything that could damage that edifice is dismissed as right wing mud slinging. This could explain the reaction to Ann Clwyd and the total disinterest by the Assembly and the Wales Audit Office in finding out just exactly what happened to their grant money in councils like TCBC.

So, in the vain hope that a regular Labour voter will read this:

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein

I'm not telling you who to vote for, just vote differently today, you might be surprised by the result.
I can see a thread emerging here. It is apparent to me at least that Labour has stopped representing the people and is more interested in preserving the party. Anyone or anything that could damage that edifice is dismissed as right wing mud slinging. This could explain the reaction to Ann Clwyd and the total disinterest by the Assembly and the Wales Audit Office in finding out just exactly what happened to their grant money in councils like TCBC. So, in the vain hope that a regular Labour voter will read this: Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein I'm not telling you who to vote for, just vote differently today, you might be surprised by the result. Bart45
  • Score: 10

2:00pm Thu 22 May 14

Independentvoter says...

Bart45 wrote:
I can see a thread emerging here. It is apparent to me at least that Labour has stopped representing the people and is more interested in preserving the party. Anyone or anything that could damage that edifice is dismissed as right wing mud slinging. This could explain the reaction to Ann Clwyd and the total disinterest by the Assembly and the Wales Audit Office in finding out just exactly what happened to their grant money in councils like TCBC.

So, in the vain hope that a regular Labour voter will read this:

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein

I'm not telling you who to vote for, just vote differently today, you might be surprised by the result.
I did vote differently today - I voted TORY !!! Just the thought of cancelling one ukip vote has made my day.

My mates who accompanied me to the polling stations voted Tory too just to cancel ukip votes.
[quote][p][bold]Bart45[/bold] wrote: I can see a thread emerging here. It is apparent to me at least that Labour has stopped representing the people and is more interested in preserving the party. Anyone or anything that could damage that edifice is dismissed as right wing mud slinging. This could explain the reaction to Ann Clwyd and the total disinterest by the Assembly and the Wales Audit Office in finding out just exactly what happened to their grant money in councils like TCBC. So, in the vain hope that a regular Labour voter will read this: Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein I'm not telling you who to vote for, just vote differently today, you might be surprised by the result.[/p][/quote]I did vote differently today - I voted TORY !!! Just the thought of cancelling one ukip vote has made my day. My mates who accompanied me to the polling stations voted Tory too just to cancel ukip votes. Independentvoter
  • Score: -11

2:30pm Thu 22 May 14

Port0214 says...

What a refreshing change someone in politics who speaks the truth, Carwyn Jones should hang his head, it's been downhill all the way since 1997 the cancellation of the M4 relief road the loss of employment, chronic under-investment the great human tragedy that is the WAG the list goes on and on.

Like I have said before, we in Wales are the architects of our own misfortune put a red rosette on a chimp and we will vote in our thousands, they even gave us our own talking shop to secure further loyalty, oh how they must have chuckled in Westminster to that one.

Mr Asghar you are quite correct no apology is required.
What a refreshing change someone in politics who speaks the truth, Carwyn Jones should hang his head, it's been downhill all the way since 1997 the cancellation of the M4 relief road the loss of employment, chronic under-investment the great human tragedy that is the WAG the list goes on and on. Like I have said before, we in Wales are the architects of our own misfortune put a red rosette on a chimp and we will vote in our thousands, they even gave us our own talking shop to secure further loyalty, oh how they must have chuckled in Westminster to that one. Mr Asghar you are quite correct no apology is required. Port0214
  • Score: 10

2:37pm Thu 22 May 14

Good Job No Kids says...

Simple Solution,

STOP VOTING LABOUR, I've had to put up with these incompetent imbeciles since I was old enough to vote with no real hope of getting rid of them.

Carwyn is the prize idiot at the top of the pile,

Where has 4billion of EU funding been spent?
Simple Solution, STOP VOTING LABOUR, I've had to put up with these incompetent imbeciles since I was old enough to vote with no real hope of getting rid of them. Carwyn is the prize idiot at the top of the pile, Where has 4billion of EU funding been spent? Good Job No Kids
  • Score: 20

3:19pm Thu 22 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Independentvoter wrote:
Mr Asghar - YOUR Government in Parliament has created this 3rd World country !!! Wake up buddy I think you joined the wrong party (Again and again and again ).
Exactly, turncoat not just once but twice. Zero credibility and the sooner he's expunged from the Welsh political landscape the better...
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: Mr Asghar - YOUR Government in Parliament has created this 3rd World country !!! Wake up buddy I think you joined the wrong party (Again and again and again ).[/p][/quote]Exactly, turncoat not just once but twice. Zero credibility and the sooner he's expunged from the Welsh political landscape the better... The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: -6

3:27pm Thu 22 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Blodwen Puw wrote:
I think we should remember what is meant by 3rd world countries. Parts of Wales may be impoverished and neglected, but I haven't seen anything like the poverty, disease and misery of the African nations as seen on the news most days.
Sorry, but not having all the trappings of a capitalist country is long way from being 3rd world. Count your blessings and send a donation to Save the Children.
Exactly... walking miles for potable border? At risk of death from starvation? Housed in refugee camps? No.

Not pretending for on e moment everything is fine and dandy, but its this kind of empty-headed, inflammatory, populist, mud-slinging that has more and more prospective voters disenfranchised, and less and less achieved.
[quote][p][bold]Blodwen Puw[/bold] wrote: I think we should remember what is meant by 3rd world countries. Parts of Wales may be impoverished and neglected, but I haven't seen anything like the poverty, disease and misery of the African nations as seen on the news most days. Sorry, but not having all the trappings of a capitalist country is long way from being 3rd world. Count your blessings and send a donation to Save the Children.[/p][/quote]Exactly... walking miles for potable border? At risk of death from starvation? Housed in refugee camps? No. Not pretending for on e moment everything is fine and dandy, but its this kind of empty-headed, inflammatory, populist, mud-slinging that has more and more prospective voters disenfranchised, and less and less achieved. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 0

3:32pm Thu 22 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
As I've said many times before, people do not vote Labour because they are poor, they are poor because they continually vote Labour.

Labour = Socialist
LibDem = Socialist
Plaid Cymru = National Socialist
Conservative = Socialist

Socialism = Poverty
Crossbenchtory = zero grasp whatsoever of political theory / discourse

Don't be a prat, and do some reading before spouting off. All mainstream political parties are neo-liberal at 'best'.
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: As I've said many times before, people do not vote Labour because they are poor, they are poor because they continually vote Labour. Labour = Socialist LibDem = Socialist Plaid Cymru = National Socialist Conservative = Socialist Socialism = Poverty[/p][/quote]Crossbenchtory = zero grasp whatsoever of political theory / discourse Don't be a prat, and do some reading before spouting off. All mainstream political parties are neo-liberal at 'best'. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 1

3:51pm Thu 22 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
p stani wrote:
I have no time for the bloke or any politician really,but he is right whenever I go abroad the roads are great, roundabouts are floral displays,you can walk the streets at night as they leave the lamp posts on, trees are managed and trimmed and lets be honest everywhere you look in Newport it is overgrown and unkept and really there is no excuse for it.
And where do you think that places like Spain got the money from to achieve this?
EU of course, funded in large part by British taxpayers.
Yet, as you point out,nothing like that here.
You're quite right Cymru am Beth, there is not much like it over here. If we can't pay the leccy bill or cut the grass in the parks and verges then how are performing behind an economy that is virtually bankrupt? Yet we receive over 4 billion pounds a year from the EU. So where does it go? How do UK farmers receive subsidies to the tune of £250 million pounds a year, yet cannot earn a living. A relative recently visited from Spain and was shocked to the point of speechlessness when i took them into Newport City Centre.
He said that the Spanish thought they had it bad but they have nothing like Newport High Street. Thank God i never took him to the Valley towns.
The likening of Gwent to the third world is OTT by comparison, but nobody can dispute the most important fact of all.......the entire financial farce was begun under and supported by a ruling Labour Party and is STILL being supported by the Labour Party here in Wales.
These days it's not the fact that we want to vote Labour or Tory, it's who do i detest the least. Because they all slink along wallowing in each others fraudulent filth. That is why Farage is getting votes. Reactionary voting. Not because he is supported. Because people don't detest him YET.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: I have no time for the bloke or any politician really,but he is right whenever I go abroad the roads are great, roundabouts are floral displays,you can walk the streets at night as they leave the lamp posts on, trees are managed and trimmed and lets be honest everywhere you look in Newport it is overgrown and unkept and really there is no excuse for it.[/p][/quote]And where do you think that places like Spain got the money from to achieve this? EU of course, funded in large part by British taxpayers. Yet, as you point out,nothing like that here.[/p][/quote]You're quite right Cymru am Beth, there is not much like it over here. If we can't pay the leccy bill or cut the grass in the parks and verges then how are performing behind an economy that is virtually bankrupt? Yet we receive over 4 billion pounds a year from the EU. So where does it go? How do UK farmers receive subsidies to the tune of £250 million pounds a year, yet cannot earn a living. A relative recently visited from Spain and was shocked to the point of speechlessness when i took them into Newport City Centre. He said that the Spanish thought they had it bad but they have nothing like Newport High Street. Thank God i never took him to the Valley towns. The likening of Gwent to the third world is OTT by comparison, but nobody can dispute the most important fact of all.......the entire financial farce was begun under and supported by a ruling Labour Party and is STILL being supported by the Labour Party here in Wales. These days it's not the fact that we want to vote Labour or Tory, it's who do i detest the least. Because they all slink along wallowing in each others fraudulent filth. That is why Farage is getting votes. Reactionary voting. Not because he is supported. Because people don't detest him YET. landyman3030
  • Score: 9

4:06pm Thu 22 May 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Mohammad Asghar is a disgrace, and the tories are even more of a disgrace for backing him.

Let's not forget this is the guy who threw a huff and changed parties because his party at the time quite rightly wouldn't let him employ more than one member of his own family. Then, to add to his already glowing reputation, he chose not to resign his seat in the Assembly even though he was only elected as a party regional list candidate in the first place.

People like Asghar are an embarassment to politics and confirm the worst stereotypes of 'gravy train' politics. This most recent gaffe confirms everything you need to know about the contempt with which he views his constituents (the majority of whom are sensible enough not to vote for him).

Asghar should apologise for these remarks, or even better, resign.

Meanwhile, it doesn't say a lot for the Welsh Conservatives if this unwholesome character is the best candidate they can muster!
Mohammad Asghar is a disgrace, and the tories are even more of a disgrace for backing him. Let's not forget this is the guy who threw a huff and changed parties because his party at the time quite rightly wouldn't let him employ more than one member of his own family. Then, to add to his already glowing reputation, he chose not to resign his seat in the Assembly even though he was only elected as a party regional list candidate in the first place. People like Asghar are an embarassment to politics and confirm the worst stereotypes of 'gravy train' politics. This most recent gaffe confirms everything you need to know about the contempt with which he views his constituents (the majority of whom are sensible enough not to vote for him). Asghar should apologise for these remarks, or even better, resign. Meanwhile, it doesn't say a lot for the Welsh Conservatives if this unwholesome character is the best candidate they can muster! BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: -6

4:28pm Thu 22 May 14

Crossbenchtory says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Mohammad Asghar is a disgrace, and the tories are even more of a disgrace for backing him.

Let's not forget this is the guy who threw a huff and changed parties because his party at the time quite rightly wouldn't let him employ more than one member of his own family. Then, to add to his already glowing reputation, he chose not to resign his seat in the Assembly even though he was only elected as a party regional list candidate in the first place.

People like Asghar are an embarassment to politics and confirm the worst stereotypes of 'gravy train' politics. This most recent gaffe confirms everything you need to know about the contempt with which he views his constituents (the majority of whom are sensible enough not to vote for him).

Asghar should apologise for these remarks, or even better, resign.

Meanwhile, it doesn't say a lot for the Welsh Conservatives if this unwholesome character is the best candidate they can muster!
Your analysis of Mr Ashgar is essentially accurate, as is your inferred analysis of the Welsh Conservative Party (which in my opinion is nothing more than a sub-branch of Welsh Labour).

The fundamental issue in Welsh politics is that even the most right leaning politicians are, at best, centre left with the likes of Plaid being hard left National Socialists at the other end of the scale.

The message all 4 of these, broadly socialist, political parties have sent to the Welsh population over the last 70 sum years is that you can't possibly survive on your own without assistance from the state.

As with all lies, and in particular political lies, because it has been repeated often enough this has become the conventional truth. The upshot of this is that you now have a population in Wales, and to a lesser extent throughout the entire UK, who believe they can not survive without state assistance.
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Mohammad Asghar is a disgrace, and the tories are even more of a disgrace for backing him. Let's not forget this is the guy who threw a huff and changed parties because his party at the time quite rightly wouldn't let him employ more than one member of his own family. Then, to add to his already glowing reputation, he chose not to resign his seat in the Assembly even though he was only elected as a party regional list candidate in the first place. People like Asghar are an embarassment to politics and confirm the worst stereotypes of 'gravy train' politics. This most recent gaffe confirms everything you need to know about the contempt with which he views his constituents (the majority of whom are sensible enough not to vote for him). Asghar should apologise for these remarks, or even better, resign. Meanwhile, it doesn't say a lot for the Welsh Conservatives if this unwholesome character is the best candidate they can muster![/p][/quote]Your analysis of Mr Ashgar is essentially accurate, as is your inferred analysis of the Welsh Conservative Party (which in my opinion is nothing more than a sub-branch of Welsh Labour). The fundamental issue in Welsh politics is that even the most right leaning politicians are, at best, centre left with the likes of Plaid being hard left National Socialists at the other end of the scale. The message all 4 of these, broadly socialist, political parties have sent to the Welsh population over the last 70 sum years is that you can't possibly survive on your own without assistance from the state. As with all lies, and in particular political lies, because it has been repeated often enough this has become the conventional truth. The upshot of this is that you now have a population in Wales, and to a lesser extent throughout the entire UK, who believe they can not survive without state assistance. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: -5

5:06pm Thu 22 May 14

Independentvoter says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
p stani wrote:
I have no time for the bloke or any politician really,but he is right whenever I go abroad the roads are great, roundabouts are floral displays,you can walk the streets at night as they leave the lamp posts on, trees are managed and trimmed and lets be honest everywhere you look in Newport it is overgrown and unkept and really there is no excuse for it.
And where do you think that places like Spain got the money from to achieve this?
EU of course, funded in large part by British taxpayers.
Yet, as you point out,nothing like that here.
You're quite right Cymru am Beth, there is not much like it over here. If we can't pay the leccy bill or cut the grass in the parks and verges then how are performing behind an economy that is virtually bankrupt? Yet we receive over 4 billion pounds a year from the EU. So where does it go? How do UK farmers receive subsidies to the tune of £250 million pounds a year, yet cannot earn a living. A relative recently visited from Spain and was shocked to the point of speechlessness when i took them into Newport City Centre.
He said that the Spanish thought they had it bad but they have nothing like Newport High Street. Thank God i never took him to the Valley towns.
The likening of Gwent to the third world is OTT by comparison, but nobody can dispute the most important fact of all.......the entire financial farce was begun under and supported by a ruling Labour Party and is STILL being supported by the Labour Party here in Wales.
These days it's not the fact that we want to vote Labour or Tory, it's who do i detest the least. Because they all slink along wallowing in each others fraudulent filth. That is why Farage is getting votes. Reactionary voting. Not because he is supported. Because people don't detest him YET.
I wonder if this is the reason that 1.1 million British people live and work in Spain ???
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: I have no time for the bloke or any politician really,but he is right whenever I go abroad the roads are great, roundabouts are floral displays,you can walk the streets at night as they leave the lamp posts on, trees are managed and trimmed and lets be honest everywhere you look in Newport it is overgrown and unkept and really there is no excuse for it.[/p][/quote]And where do you think that places like Spain got the money from to achieve this? EU of course, funded in large part by British taxpayers. Yet, as you point out,nothing like that here.[/p][/quote]You're quite right Cymru am Beth, there is not much like it over here. If we can't pay the leccy bill or cut the grass in the parks and verges then how are performing behind an economy that is virtually bankrupt? Yet we receive over 4 billion pounds a year from the EU. So where does it go? How do UK farmers receive subsidies to the tune of £250 million pounds a year, yet cannot earn a living. A relative recently visited from Spain and was shocked to the point of speechlessness when i took them into Newport City Centre. He said that the Spanish thought they had it bad but they have nothing like Newport High Street. Thank God i never took him to the Valley towns. The likening of Gwent to the third world is OTT by comparison, but nobody can dispute the most important fact of all.......the entire financial farce was begun under and supported by a ruling Labour Party and is STILL being supported by the Labour Party here in Wales. These days it's not the fact that we want to vote Labour or Tory, it's who do i detest the least. Because they all slink along wallowing in each others fraudulent filth. That is why Farage is getting votes. Reactionary voting. Not because he is supported. Because people don't detest him YET.[/p][/quote]I wonder if this is the reason that 1.1 million British people live and work in Spain ??? Independentvoter
  • Score: 4

5:11pm Thu 22 May 14

Independentvoter says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
p stani wrote:
I have no time for the bloke or any politician really,but he is right whenever I go abroad the roads are great, roundabouts are floral displays,you can walk the streets at night as they leave the lamp posts on, trees are managed and trimmed and lets be honest everywhere you look in Newport it is overgrown and unkept and really there is no excuse for it.
And where do you think that places like Spain got the money from to achieve this?
EU of course, funded in large part by British taxpayers.
Yet, as you point out,nothing like that here.
Spain probably got their money from the taxes of 1.1 million British people who live and work there and you are talking about tourist places that are neat and tidy in Spain li,e Levante beach in Benidorm. When you go into the back streets it's a different story.

It's the same here with the tourist area's (except dirty Blackpool)
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: I have no time for the bloke or any politician really,but he is right whenever I go abroad the roads are great, roundabouts are floral displays,you can walk the streets at night as they leave the lamp posts on, trees are managed and trimmed and lets be honest everywhere you look in Newport it is overgrown and unkept and really there is no excuse for it.[/p][/quote]And where do you think that places like Spain got the money from to achieve this? EU of course, funded in large part by British taxpayers. Yet, as you point out,nothing like that here.[/p][/quote]Spain probably got their money from the taxes of 1.1 million British people who live and work there and you are talking about tourist places that are neat and tidy in Spain li,e Levante beach in Benidorm. When you go into the back streets it's a different story. It's the same here with the tourist area's (except dirty Blackpool) Independentvoter
  • Score: -4

5:14pm Thu 22 May 14

Independentvoter says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
p stani wrote:
I have no time for the bloke or any politician really,but he is right whenever I go abroad the roads are great, roundabouts are floral displays,you can walk the streets at night as they leave the lamp posts on, trees are managed and trimmed and lets be honest everywhere you look in Newport it is overgrown and unkept and really there is no excuse for it.
And where do you think that places like Spain got the money from to achieve this?
EU of course, funded in large part by British taxpayers.
Yet, as you point out,nothing like that here.
You're quite right Cymru am Beth, there is not much like it over here. If we can't pay the leccy bill or cut the grass in the parks and verges then how are performing behind an economy that is virtually bankrupt? Yet we receive over 4 billion pounds a year from the EU. So where does it go? How do UK farmers receive subsidies to the tune of £250 million pounds a year, yet cannot earn a living. A relative recently visited from Spain and was shocked to the point of speechlessness when i took them into Newport City Centre.
He said that the Spanish thought they had it bad but they have nothing like Newport High Street. Thank God i never took him to the Valley towns.
The likening of Gwent to the third world is OTT by comparison, but nobody can dispute the most important fact of all.......the entire financial farce was begun under and supported by a ruling Labour Party and is STILL being supported by the Labour Party here in Wales.
These days it's not the fact that we want to vote Labour or Tory, it's who do i detest the least. Because they all slink along wallowing in each others fraudulent filth. That is why Farage is getting votes. Reactionary voting. Not because he is supported. Because people don't detest him YET.
Farrage's party was pushing leaflets through my door 30 plus years ago - " He should be getting some votes by now hahahaha
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: I have no time for the bloke or any politician really,but he is right whenever I go abroad the roads are great, roundabouts are floral displays,you can walk the streets at night as they leave the lamp posts on, trees are managed and trimmed and lets be honest everywhere you look in Newport it is overgrown and unkept and really there is no excuse for it.[/p][/quote]And where do you think that places like Spain got the money from to achieve this? EU of course, funded in large part by British taxpayers. Yet, as you point out,nothing like that here.[/p][/quote]You're quite right Cymru am Beth, there is not much like it over here. If we can't pay the leccy bill or cut the grass in the parks and verges then how are performing behind an economy that is virtually bankrupt? Yet we receive over 4 billion pounds a year from the EU. So where does it go? How do UK farmers receive subsidies to the tune of £250 million pounds a year, yet cannot earn a living. A relative recently visited from Spain and was shocked to the point of speechlessness when i took them into Newport City Centre. He said that the Spanish thought they had it bad but they have nothing like Newport High Street. Thank God i never took him to the Valley towns. The likening of Gwent to the third world is OTT by comparison, but nobody can dispute the most important fact of all.......the entire financial farce was begun under and supported by a ruling Labour Party and is STILL being supported by the Labour Party here in Wales. These days it's not the fact that we want to vote Labour or Tory, it's who do i detest the least. Because they all slink along wallowing in each others fraudulent filth. That is why Farage is getting votes. Reactionary voting. Not because he is supported. Because people don't detest him YET.[/p][/quote]Farrage's party was pushing leaflets through my door 30 plus years ago - " He should be getting some votes by now hahahaha Independentvoter
  • Score: -14

5:41pm Thu 22 May 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Voting has become a spot the Tory competition! One party says it on the tin 3 others prefer you not to know they are the same or similar.
: Great News for Hard Working People, Inflation has risen by 14.5% since 2010... while your wages have gone back to 2002 level, Torfaen is consistently above the Wales average for people in lower paid jobs. (April 11 to Sept 13 sample period).

p/t temp and 0 hours contracts/ low pay grades are the product of conservatives/LibDem
s they got us to this point and the National Labour message is to protect pay and help the unemployed, Local Labour however fail in their own back yard!! and Ukippers are fooling many into thinking a vote for them is the way to punish your local politicians.
When people vote like their forefathers have done that’s not blind voting as some would have you believe but rather voting on reputation, however our local Labour led lot have taken this for granted and are not connecting and not delivering . It might be time soon to bring them back down a peg or two but be careful who you choose to upstage them.
Voting has become a spot the Tory competition! One party says it on the tin 3 others prefer you not to know they are the same or similar. : Great News for Hard Working People, Inflation has risen by 14.5% since 2010... while your wages have gone back to 2002 level, Torfaen is consistently above the Wales average for people in lower paid jobs. (April 11 to Sept 13 sample period). p/t temp and 0 hours contracts/ low pay grades are the product of conservatives/LibDem s they got us to this point and the National Labour message is to protect pay and help the unemployed, Local Labour however fail in their own back yard!! and Ukippers are fooling many into thinking a vote for them is the way to punish your local politicians. When people vote like their forefathers have done that’s not blind voting as some would have you believe but rather voting on reputation, however our local Labour led lot have taken this for granted and are not connecting and not delivering . It might be time soon to bring them back down a peg or two but be careful who you choose to upstage them. Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 5

5:49pm Thu 22 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Mohammad Asghar is a disgrace, and the tories are even more of a disgrace for backing him.

Let's not forget this is the guy who threw a huff and changed parties because his party at the time quite rightly wouldn't let him employ more than one member of his own family. Then, to add to his already glowing reputation, he chose not to resign his seat in the Assembly even though he was only elected as a party regional list candidate in the first place.

People like Asghar are an embarassment to politics and confirm the worst stereotypes of 'gravy train' politics. This most recent gaffe confirms everything you need to know about the contempt with which he views his constituents (the majority of whom are sensible enough not to vote for him).

Asghar should apologise for these remarks, or even better, resign.

Meanwhile, it doesn't say a lot for the Welsh Conservatives if this unwholesome character is the best candidate they can muster!
Your analysis of Mr Ashgar is essentially accurate, as is your inferred analysis of the Welsh Conservative Party (which in my opinion is nothing more than a sub-branch of Welsh Labour).

The fundamental issue in Welsh politics is that even the most right leaning politicians are, at best, centre left with the likes of Plaid being hard left National Socialists at the other end of the scale.

The message all 4 of these, broadly socialist, political parties have sent to the Welsh population over the last 70 sum years is that you can't possibly survive on your own without assistance from the state.

As with all lies, and in particular political lies, because it has been repeated often enough this has become the conventional truth. The upshot of this is that you now have a population in Wales, and to a lesser extent throughout the entire UK, who believe they can not survive without state assistance.
Again, not 'broadly socialist', but broadly neo-liberal. Educate yourself, its getting embarrassing now...
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Mohammad Asghar is a disgrace, and the tories are even more of a disgrace for backing him. Let's not forget this is the guy who threw a huff and changed parties because his party at the time quite rightly wouldn't let him employ more than one member of his own family. Then, to add to his already glowing reputation, he chose not to resign his seat in the Assembly even though he was only elected as a party regional list candidate in the first place. People like Asghar are an embarassment to politics and confirm the worst stereotypes of 'gravy train' politics. This most recent gaffe confirms everything you need to know about the contempt with which he views his constituents (the majority of whom are sensible enough not to vote for him). Asghar should apologise for these remarks, or even better, resign. Meanwhile, it doesn't say a lot for the Welsh Conservatives if this unwholesome character is the best candidate they can muster![/p][/quote]Your analysis of Mr Ashgar is essentially accurate, as is your inferred analysis of the Welsh Conservative Party (which in my opinion is nothing more than a sub-branch of Welsh Labour). The fundamental issue in Welsh politics is that even the most right leaning politicians are, at best, centre left with the likes of Plaid being hard left National Socialists at the other end of the scale. The message all 4 of these, broadly socialist, political parties have sent to the Welsh population over the last 70 sum years is that you can't possibly survive on your own without assistance from the state. As with all lies, and in particular political lies, because it has been repeated often enough this has become the conventional truth. The upshot of this is that you now have a population in Wales, and to a lesser extent throughout the entire UK, who believe they can not survive without state assistance.[/p][/quote]Again, not 'broadly socialist', but broadly neo-liberal. Educate yourself, its getting embarrassing now... The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: -4

6:25pm Thu 22 May 14

rover100rich says...

go visit krakow ,then newport, its an insult to eastern european countries where they look after what they have
go visit krakow ,then newport, its an insult to eastern european countries where they look after what they have rover100rich
  • Score: 10

7:33pm Thu 22 May 14

Mervyn James says...

rover100rich wrote:
go visit krakow ,then newport, its an insult to eastern european countries where they look after what they have
But they still all keep coming here...
[quote][p][bold]rover100rich[/bold] wrote: go visit krakow ,then newport, its an insult to eastern european countries where they look after what they have[/p][/quote]But they still all keep coming here... Mervyn James
  • Score: -9

7:37pm Thu 22 May 14

bugsy93 says...

Executives in these Councils on a higher salary than the PM, Councillors on the gravy train milking the system with expanses and more directors and heads of departments than you can wave a stick at. And all at the taxpayers expense.Get rid of these and no one would notice. But make the road sweeper redundant or close a public toilet and our community suffers.
This is the common factor in these incompetent Labour controlled councils.
These Labour party strongholds in South Wales have become slum areas as a result of these overpaid fat -cats in the system.
Executives in these Councils on a higher salary than the PM, Councillors on the gravy train milking the system with expanses and more directors and heads of departments than you can wave a stick at. And all at the taxpayers expense.Get rid of these and no one would notice. But make the road sweeper redundant or close a public toilet and our community suffers. This is the common factor in these incompetent Labour controlled councils. These Labour party strongholds in South Wales have become slum areas as a result of these overpaid fat -cats in the system. bugsy93
  • Score: 13

7:59pm Thu 22 May 14

jimmysmith says...

Independentvoter wrote:
Bart45 wrote:
I can see a thread emerging here. It is apparent to me at least that Labour has stopped representing the people and is more interested in preserving the party. Anyone or anything that could damage that edifice is dismissed as right wing mud slinging. This could explain the reaction to Ann Clwyd and the total disinterest by the Assembly and the Wales Audit Office in finding out just exactly what happened to their grant money in councils like TCBC.

So, in the vain hope that a regular Labour voter will read this:

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein

I'm not telling you who to vote for, just vote differently today, you might be surprised by the result.
I did vote differently today - I voted TORY !!! Just the thought of cancelling one ukip vote has made my day.

My mates who accompanied me to the polling stations voted Tory too just to cancel ukip votes.
you aint got anywhere near enough the number of mates needed to cancel out the next government of this country .your draconian tory party are about to be consigned to the history books ..Thank feck
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bart45[/bold] wrote: I can see a thread emerging here. It is apparent to me at least that Labour has stopped representing the people and is more interested in preserving the party. Anyone or anything that could damage that edifice is dismissed as right wing mud slinging. This could explain the reaction to Ann Clwyd and the total disinterest by the Assembly and the Wales Audit Office in finding out just exactly what happened to their grant money in councils like TCBC. So, in the vain hope that a regular Labour voter will read this: Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein I'm not telling you who to vote for, just vote differently today, you might be surprised by the result.[/p][/quote]I did vote differently today - I voted TORY !!! Just the thought of cancelling one ukip vote has made my day. My mates who accompanied me to the polling stations voted Tory too just to cancel ukip votes.[/p][/quote]you aint got anywhere near enough the number of mates needed to cancel out the next government of this country .your draconian tory party are about to be consigned to the history books ..Thank feck jimmysmith
  • Score: -1

8:46pm Thu 22 May 14

irisheyes says...

There's no money to improve S.E.Wales but you watch our Labour led Assembly and labour led Newport council find the money to keep Mr Obama and his cohorts at the Nato summit in September safe.I for one will be giving S.E.Wales as wide a berth as I can during the first week of September !
There's no money to improve S.E.Wales but you watch our Labour led Assembly and labour led Newport council find the money to keep Mr Obama and his cohorts at the Nato summit in September safe.I for one will be giving S.E.Wales as wide a berth as I can during the first week of September ! irisheyes
  • Score: 11

9:30pm Thu 22 May 14

CharlieM23 says...

I think the majority of people are correct, Newport, Cwmbran, Merthyr etc are terrible, the roads are terrible, Newport shoping centre is a joke there are no activitys or anything for young people to do in Newport no wonder they turn to drug dealing its fun to them and excitment. But Newport government will waste a few million on gipsy sites for travelers to live in for penny!!! I think you need to help the actual people from Newport and surounding areas before anything else happens, or we can waste a few more million on poinless bridges, train stations, bus stations, universitys!!! Im 28 worked all my life had no help from the government at all and have plenty to say if i had the chance to meet the government and tell them about the real world not this crap they all live and think about!!!!
I think the majority of people are correct, Newport, Cwmbran, Merthyr etc are terrible, the roads are terrible, Newport shoping centre is a joke there are no activitys or anything for young people to do in Newport no wonder they turn to drug dealing its fun to them and excitment. But Newport government will waste a few million on gipsy sites for travelers to live in for penny!!! I think you need to help the actual people from Newport and surounding areas before anything else happens, or we can waste a few more million on poinless bridges, train stations, bus stations, universitys!!! Im 28 worked all my life had no help from the government at all and have plenty to say if i had the chance to meet the government and tell them about the real world not this crap they all live and think about!!!! CharlieM23
  • Score: 6

9:31pm Thu 22 May 14

CharlieM23 says...

I think the majority of people are correct, Newport, Cwmbran, Merthyr etc are terrible, the roads are terrible, Newport shoping centre is a joke there are no activitys or anything for young people to do in Newport no wonder they turn to drug dealing its fun to them excitment. But Newport government will waste a few million on gipsy sites for travelers to live in for penny!!! I think you need to help the actualy people from Newport and surounding areas before anything else happens, or we can waste a few more million on poinless bridges, train stations, bus stations, universitys!!! Im 28 worked all my life had no help from the government at all and have plenty to say if i had the chance to meet the government and tell them about the real world not this crap they all live and think about!!!! (Sorry about the spelling wound up!!!!
I think the majority of people are correct, Newport, Cwmbran, Merthyr etc are terrible, the roads are terrible, Newport shoping centre is a joke there are no activitys or anything for young people to do in Newport no wonder they turn to drug dealing its fun to them excitment. But Newport government will waste a few million on gipsy sites for travelers to live in for penny!!! I think you need to help the actualy people from Newport and surounding areas before anything else happens, or we can waste a few more million on poinless bridges, train stations, bus stations, universitys!!! Im 28 worked all my life had no help from the government at all and have plenty to say if i had the chance to meet the government and tell them about the real world not this crap they all live and think about!!!! (Sorry about the spelling wound up!!!! CharlieM23
  • Score: 3

10:36pm Thu 22 May 14

kenny john says...

You have to look at these comments on a UK basis, these sorts of issues effect all former industrial areas of wales and england. Without good work, areas will suffer, look at towns like burnley, sunderland, grimsby, coventry etc, are things there much better? Without an industrial base towns like newport, pontypool, ebbw vale, merthyr etc will struggle to maintain social fabric. Youngsters have no chance of work, so either move away or turn to drugs or drink. When possible work schemes are on offer, such as severn barrage or the race-track, environmentalists from rural areas kick off and object. Other european countries have protected its industries, not in the uk, where the greed of shareholders sell off to secure their own wealth.
You have to look at these comments on a UK basis, these sorts of issues effect all former industrial areas of wales and england. Without good work, areas will suffer, look at towns like burnley, sunderland, grimsby, coventry etc, are things there much better? Without an industrial base towns like newport, pontypool, ebbw vale, merthyr etc will struggle to maintain social fabric. Youngsters have no chance of work, so either move away or turn to drugs or drink. When possible work schemes are on offer, such as severn barrage or the race-track, environmentalists from rural areas kick off and object. Other european countries have protected its industries, not in the uk, where the greed of shareholders sell off to secure their own wealth. kenny john
  • Score: 3

10:37pm Thu 22 May 14

stevey says...

I've lived in Blaenau Gwent all my life and seen it quietly lose any type of well paid jobs since the steelworks closed. I have seen the whole borough deteriorate from where it could once be described as poor but proud. The racetrack could partially help to address this situation but it needs a concerted effort to reinvigorate the whole area. European money would help if spent in the right place. If it were Cardiff in this predicament it would be corrected at the drop of a hat.
I think UKIP will benefit from all the main parties inertia and I'm worried this could be the wrong direction for this country, but it may wake up the Welsh government and Westminster, and if that happens I'll buy Nigel Farage a pint!
I've lived in Blaenau Gwent all my life and seen it quietly lose any type of well paid jobs since the steelworks closed. I have seen the whole borough deteriorate from where it could once be described as poor but proud. The racetrack could partially help to address this situation but it needs a concerted effort to reinvigorate the whole area. European money would help if spent in the right place. If it were Cardiff in this predicament it would be corrected at the drop of a hat. I think UKIP will benefit from all the main parties inertia and I'm worried this could be the wrong direction for this country, but it may wake up the Welsh government and Westminster, and if that happens I'll buy Nigel Farage a pint! stevey
  • Score: 5

8:30am Fri 23 May 14

Independentvoter says...

So what's the election results so far in England ?

Councils so far....
INDEPENDENT 16
Tories........14
UKIP...........0

Councillors so far.....
Tories 1,000 plus
Labour 1,000 plus
INDEPENDENT 144
ukip 102

Did someone mention earthquake hahahahahahaha
So what's the election results so far in England ? Councils so far.... INDEPENDENT 16 Tories........14 UKIP...........0 Councillors so far..... Tories 1,000 plus Labour 1,000 plus INDEPENDENT 144 ukip 102 Did someone mention earthquake hahahahahahaha Independentvoter
  • Score: -5

8:55am Fri 23 May 14

Mervyn James says...

He who laughs first, never gets the last laugh (Or something like that) ! Anyway who cares how English vote, we are awaiting how WE voted.
He who laughs first, never gets the last laugh (Or something like that) ! Anyway who cares how English vote, we are awaiting how WE voted. Mervyn James
  • Score: -6

9:00am Fri 23 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Port0214 wrote:
What a refreshing change someone in politics who speaks the truth, Carwyn Jones should hang his head, it's been downhill all the way since 1997 the cancellation of the M4 relief road the loss of employment, chronic under-investment the great human tragedy that is the WAG the list goes on and on.

Like I have said before, we in Wales are the architects of our own misfortune put a red rosette on a chimp and we will vote in our thousands, they even gave us our own talking shop to secure further loyalty, oh how they must have chuckled in Westminster to that one.

Mr Asghar you are quite correct no apology is required.
Absolutely spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Port0214[/bold] wrote: What a refreshing change someone in politics who speaks the truth, Carwyn Jones should hang his head, it's been downhill all the way since 1997 the cancellation of the M4 relief road the loss of employment, chronic under-investment the great human tragedy that is the WAG the list goes on and on. Like I have said before, we in Wales are the architects of our own misfortune put a red rosette on a chimp and we will vote in our thousands, they even gave us our own talking shop to secure further loyalty, oh how they must have chuckled in Westminster to that one. Mr Asghar you are quite correct no apology is required.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -4

9:04am Fri 23 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Independentvoter wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
p stani wrote:
I have no time for the bloke or any politician really,but he is right whenever I go abroad the roads are great, roundabouts are floral displays,you can walk the streets at night as they leave the lamp posts on, trees are managed and trimmed and lets be honest everywhere you look in Newport it is overgrown and unkept and really there is no excuse for it.
And where do you think that places like Spain got the money from to achieve this?
EU of course, funded in large part by British taxpayers.
Yet, as you point out,nothing like that here.
Spain probably got their money from the taxes of 1.1 million British people who live and work there and you are talking about tourist places that are neat and tidy in Spain li,e Levante beach in Benidorm. When you go into the back streets it's a different story.

It's the same here with the tourist area's (except dirty Blackpool)
So you are suggesting that Newport City Centre is a back street!
I know where you are coming from but this is not like a tourist destination with false facade and beach front and nothing behind. This is the city centre of a fair size. Valley town high streets may be smaller again but these places are the reality of where we live. My relative was comparing our city centre to other similar city centres in Mainland Spain, not back streets behind hotels on holiday islands.
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]p stani[/bold] wrote: I have no time for the bloke or any politician really,but he is right whenever I go abroad the roads are great, roundabouts are floral displays,you can walk the streets at night as they leave the lamp posts on, trees are managed and trimmed and lets be honest everywhere you look in Newport it is overgrown and unkept and really there is no excuse for it.[/p][/quote]And where do you think that places like Spain got the money from to achieve this? EU of course, funded in large part by British taxpayers. Yet, as you point out,nothing like that here.[/p][/quote]Spain probably got their money from the taxes of 1.1 million British people who live and work there and you are talking about tourist places that are neat and tidy in Spain li,e Levante beach in Benidorm. When you go into the back streets it's a different story. It's the same here with the tourist area's (except dirty Blackpool)[/p][/quote]So you are suggesting that Newport City Centre is a back street! I know where you are coming from but this is not like a tourist destination with false facade and beach front and nothing behind. This is the city centre of a fair size. Valley town high streets may be smaller again but these places are the reality of where we live. My relative was comparing our city centre to other similar city centres in Mainland Spain, not back streets behind hotels on holiday islands. landyman3030
  • Score: 2

9:13am Fri 23 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Mervyn James wrote:
rover100rich wrote:
go visit krakow ,then newport, its an insult to eastern european countries where they look after what they have
But they still all keep coming here...
Morning Merv, lovely morning - Wouldn't you keep coming to if there was a place in the world that promised you handouts and jobs and social housing and free health care under a non oppressive government when the eastern block countries have none of this.
They don't know or care about empty shop fronts or the good old days with the grocer on the corner and the butcher in the market. They are just happy to have the opportunity and a chance in this country which our youth seem to take for granted a lot of the time.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rover100rich[/bold] wrote: go visit krakow ,then newport, its an insult to eastern european countries where they look after what they have[/p][/quote]But they still all keep coming here...[/p][/quote]Morning Merv, lovely morning - Wouldn't you keep coming to if there was a place in the world that promised you handouts and jobs and social housing and free health care under a non oppressive government when the eastern block countries have none of this. They don't know or care about empty shop fronts or the good old days with the grocer on the corner and the butcher in the market. They are just happy to have the opportunity and a chance in this country which our youth seem to take for granted a lot of the time. landyman3030
  • Score: 5

10:41am Fri 23 May 14

Independentvoter says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
rover100rich wrote:
go visit krakow ,then newport, its an insult to eastern european countries where they look after what they have
But they still all keep coming here...
Morning Merv, lovely morning - Wouldn't you keep coming to if there was a place in the world that promised you handouts and jobs and social housing and free health care under a non oppressive government when the eastern block countries have none of this.
They don't know or care about empty shop fronts or the good old days with the grocer on the corner and the butcher in the market. They are just happy to have the opportunity and a chance in this country which our youth seem to take for granted a lot of the time.
Everything you can claim here in Newport - you can claim in Spain thats why the British keep moving there.

Why not google it !

British people living in Spain can claim housing benefit, their pensions, JSA, DLA, ESA and so on and so on - because of the European rules.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rover100rich[/bold] wrote: go visit krakow ,then newport, its an insult to eastern european countries where they look after what they have[/p][/quote]But they still all keep coming here...[/p][/quote]Morning Merv, lovely morning - Wouldn't you keep coming to if there was a place in the world that promised you handouts and jobs and social housing and free health care under a non oppressive government when the eastern block countries have none of this. They don't know or care about empty shop fronts or the good old days with the grocer on the corner and the butcher in the market. They are just happy to have the opportunity and a chance in this country which our youth seem to take for granted a lot of the time.[/p][/quote]Everything you can claim here in Newport - you can claim in Spain thats why the British keep moving there. Why not google it ! British people living in Spain can claim housing benefit, their pensions, JSA, DLA, ESA and so on and so on - because of the European rules. Independentvoter
  • Score: -2

1:04pm Fri 23 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Independentvoter wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
rover100rich wrote:
go visit krakow ,then newport, its an insult to eastern european countries where they look after what they have
But they still all keep coming here...
Morning Merv, lovely morning - Wouldn't you keep coming to if there was a place in the world that promised you handouts and jobs and social housing and free health care under a non oppressive government when the eastern block countries have none of this.
They don't know or care about empty shop fronts or the good old days with the grocer on the corner and the butcher in the market. They are just happy to have the opportunity and a chance in this country which our youth seem to take for granted a lot of the time.
Everything you can claim here in Newport - you can claim in Spain thats why the British keep moving there.

Why not google it !

British people living in Spain can claim housing benefit, their pensions, JSA, DLA, ESA and so on and so on - because of the European rules.
Independantvoter misses the point entirely. The post is about how nice Krakow is compared to Newport, then we've got good old Merv being flippant as per usual, then myself saying eastern europeans come here for various reasons. Nobody has mentioned ex pats and their benefits drawn and spent in a different country.
If a British Citizen has worked all of their life and paid tax and N.I. why shouldn't they retire to a warmer country and draw their pension or disability allowance there. This is money that they have paid into and earned the right for over approximately 50 year working life.
It's the immigrants who come to this country with no work or skills who qualify for benefits that they send back home that is wrong.
The Big Issue is the magazine that helps homeless people get a step up.
Eastern europeans sell the Big Issue so they become self employed. Once you are self employed you can claim housing and other benefits straight away. Many eastern european women sell this for businessmen for free. The businessmen double their investment without any wage bill and the women get the benefits. And there is nothing illegal in this. It is how the system is set up. THAT is why they flock over here. Nothing to do with paid up ex pats enjoying well deserved retirement.
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rover100rich[/bold] wrote: go visit krakow ,then newport, its an insult to eastern european countries where they look after what they have[/p][/quote]But they still all keep coming here...[/p][/quote]Morning Merv, lovely morning - Wouldn't you keep coming to if there was a place in the world that promised you handouts and jobs and social housing and free health care under a non oppressive government when the eastern block countries have none of this. They don't know or care about empty shop fronts or the good old days with the grocer on the corner and the butcher in the market. They are just happy to have the opportunity and a chance in this country which our youth seem to take for granted a lot of the time.[/p][/quote]Everything you can claim here in Newport - you can claim in Spain thats why the British keep moving there. Why not google it ! British people living in Spain can claim housing benefit, their pensions, JSA, DLA, ESA and so on and so on - because of the European rules.[/p][/quote]Independantvoter misses the point entirely. The post is about how nice Krakow is compared to Newport, then we've got good old Merv being flippant as per usual, then myself saying eastern europeans come here for various reasons. Nobody has mentioned ex pats and their benefits drawn and spent in a different country. If a British Citizen has worked all of their life and paid tax and N.I. why shouldn't they retire to a warmer country and draw their pension or disability allowance there. This is money that they have paid into and earned the right for over approximately 50 year working life. It's the immigrants who come to this country with no work or skills who qualify for benefits that they send back home that is wrong. The Big Issue is the magazine that helps homeless people get a step up. Eastern europeans sell the Big Issue so they become self employed. Once you are self employed you can claim housing and other benefits straight away. Many eastern european women sell this for businessmen for free. The businessmen double their investment without any wage bill and the women get the benefits. And there is nothing illegal in this. It is how the system is set up. THAT is why they flock over here. Nothing to do with paid up ex pats enjoying well deserved retirement. landyman3030
  • Score: 3

2:33pm Fri 23 May 14

Independentvoter says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Independentvoter wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
rover100rich wrote:
go visit krakow ,then newport, its an insult to eastern european countries where they look after what they have
But they still all keep coming here...
Morning Merv, lovely morning - Wouldn't you keep coming to if there was a place in the world that promised you handouts and jobs and social housing and free health care under a non oppressive government when the eastern block countries have none of this.
They don't know or care about empty shop fronts or the good old days with the grocer on the corner and the butcher in the market. They are just happy to have the opportunity and a chance in this country which our youth seem to take for granted a lot of the time.
Everything you can claim here in Newport - you can claim in Spain thats why the British keep moving there.

Why not google it !

British people living in Spain can claim housing benefit, their pensions, JSA, DLA, ESA and so on and so on - because of the European rules.
Independantvoter misses the point entirely. The post is about how nice Krakow is compared to Newport, then we've got good old Merv being flippant as per usual, then myself saying eastern europeans come here for various reasons. Nobody has mentioned ex pats and their benefits drawn and spent in a different country.
If a British Citizen has worked all of their life and paid tax and N.I. why shouldn't they retire to a warmer country and draw their pension or disability allowance there. This is money that they have paid into and earned the right for over approximately 50 year working life.
It's the immigrants who come to this country with no work or skills who qualify for benefits that they send back home that is wrong.
The Big Issue is the magazine that helps homeless people get a step up.
Eastern europeans sell the Big Issue so they become self employed. Once you are self employed you can claim housing and other benefits straight away. Many eastern european women sell this for businessmen for free. The businessmen double their investment without any wage bill and the women get the benefits. And there is nothing illegal in this. It is how the system is set up. THAT is why they flock over here. Nothing to do with paid up ex pats enjoying well deserved retirement.
I think you are missing the point too - How many unemployed British people are there claiming Job seekers allowance and unemployment benefit and living in Spain ? Google it !

Not the illegal ones on the run or the elderly retired taking up Spanish housing and health care away from the Spanish people.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rover100rich[/bold] wrote: go visit krakow ,then newport, its an insult to eastern european countries where they look after what they have[/p][/quote]But they still all keep coming here...[/p][/quote]Morning Merv, lovely morning - Wouldn't you keep coming to if there was a place in the world that promised you handouts and jobs and social housing and free health care under a non oppressive government when the eastern block countries have none of this. They don't know or care about empty shop fronts or the good old days with the grocer on the corner and the butcher in the market. They are just happy to have the opportunity and a chance in this country which our youth seem to take for granted a lot of the time.[/p][/quote]Everything you can claim here in Newport - you can claim in Spain thats why the British keep moving there. Why not google it ! British people living in Spain can claim housing benefit, their pensions, JSA, DLA, ESA and so on and so on - because of the European rules.[/p][/quote]Independantvoter misses the point entirely. The post is about how nice Krakow is compared to Newport, then we've got good old Merv being flippant as per usual, then myself saying eastern europeans come here for various reasons. Nobody has mentioned ex pats and their benefits drawn and spent in a different country. If a British Citizen has worked all of their life and paid tax and N.I. why shouldn't they retire to a warmer country and draw their pension or disability allowance there. This is money that they have paid into and earned the right for over approximately 50 year working life. It's the immigrants who come to this country with no work or skills who qualify for benefits that they send back home that is wrong. The Big Issue is the magazine that helps homeless people get a step up. Eastern europeans sell the Big Issue so they become self employed. Once you are self employed you can claim housing and other benefits straight away. Many eastern european women sell this for businessmen for free. The businessmen double their investment without any wage bill and the women get the benefits. And there is nothing illegal in this. It is how the system is set up. THAT is why they flock over here. Nothing to do with paid up ex pats enjoying well deserved retirement.[/p][/quote]I think you are missing the point too - How many unemployed British people are there claiming Job seekers allowance and unemployment benefit and living in Spain ? Google it ! Not the illegal ones on the run or the elderly retired taking up Spanish housing and health care away from the Spanish people. Independentvoter
  • Score: -5

9:46pm Fri 23 May 14

welshmen says...

Independentvoter: are you an immigrant? or a Marxist Liberal Elitest?.....
Independentvoter: are you an immigrant? or a Marxist Liberal Elitest?..... welshmen
  • Score: -1

11:14pm Fri 23 May 14

The People's Republic of Newp says...

welshmen wrote:
Independentvoter: are you an immigrant? or a Marxist Liberal Elitest?.....
Marxist Liberal Elitist?! Eh? Liberalism and Marxism are about as mutually exclusive as it is possible to be. You are describing something that does not and cannot exist.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Independentvoter: are you an immigrant? or a Marxist Liberal Elitest?.....[/p][/quote]Marxist Liberal Elitist?! Eh? Liberalism and Marxism are about as mutually exclusive as it is possible to be. You are describing something that does not and cannot exist. The People's Republic of Newp
  • Score: 0

8:11pm Sat 24 May 14

Independentvoter says...

welshmen wrote:
Independentvoter: are you an immigrant? or a Marxist Liberal Elitest?.....
welshmen can you speak Welsh ???
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Independentvoter: are you an immigrant? or a Marxist Liberal Elitest?.....[/p][/quote]welshmen can you speak Welsh ??? Independentvoter
  • Score: 1

1:58pm Sun 25 May 14

welshmen says...

Independentvoter wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Independentvoter: are you an immigrant? or a Marxist Liberal Elitest?.....
welshmen can you speak Welsh ???
Yr wyf yn ofni na, byth yn eu dysgu fy ysgol, yn dymuno gallwn i siarad Cymraeg, heb son am er y gallwch....
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Independentvoter: are you an immigrant? or a Marxist Liberal Elitest?.....[/p][/quote]welshmen can you speak Welsh ???[/p][/quote]Yr wyf yn ofni na, byth yn eu dysgu fy ysgol, yn dymuno gallwn i siarad Cymraeg, heb son am er y gallwch.... welshmen
  • Score: -6

2:06pm Sun 25 May 14

welshmen says...

welshmen wrote:
Independentvoter: are you an immigrant? or a Marxist Liberal Elitest?.....
cant answer then? a Marxist? a Immigrant?, a Liberal Elitist?....
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Independentvoter: are you an immigrant? or a Marxist Liberal Elitest?.....[/p][/quote]cant answer then? a Marxist? a Immigrant?, a Liberal Elitist?.... welshmen
  • Score: -6

3:13pm Sun 25 May 14

bethan9916 says...

This guy does have a point...although I wouldn't go as far as comparing it to third world countries, there are high rates of unemployment around here, and some people struggle to the point that they have to turn to food banks for help.
This guy does have a point...although I wouldn't go as far as comparing it to third world countries, there are high rates of unemployment around here, and some people struggle to the point that they have to turn to food banks for help. bethan9916
  • Score: 3

6:38pm Sun 25 May 14

Independentvoter says...

You learn quick - not so long ago you told me that you could not speak Welsh at all. You must be attending the same college as me. We are both fast learners !

I study European law and as an undergraduate law student - soon to become a lawyer we have to consider all sides of all debates.

Am I 'an' immigrant ? Not that I know of - why do you ask ? but since you are asking - are you ? although don't bother answering as it doesn't interest me for one moment what you are or where you come from.

We never know what our roots are though - especially here in Newport as the Second Legion of August did settle here in Caerleon 2,500 years ago and many soldiers did marry, have children and settle here. I'm probably Celtic Silurian blooded but you never know unless we all have a DNA test.

So back to my studying on European law - got my eTMA exams all next week - I only attained a pass 2 on my last assignments probably cause I spend too much time contributing to local newspapers.

By the way I don't speak Welsh I was just asking.
You learn quick - not so long ago you told me that you could not speak Welsh at all. You must be attending the same college as me. We are both fast learners ! I study European law and as an undergraduate law student - soon to become a lawyer we have to consider all sides of all debates. Am I 'an' immigrant ? Not that I know of - why do you ask ? but since you are asking - are you ? although don't bother answering as it doesn't interest me for one moment what you are or where you come from. We never know what our roots are though - especially here in Newport as the Second Legion of August did settle here in Caerleon 2,500 years ago and many soldiers did marry, have children and settle here. I'm probably Celtic Silurian blooded but you never know unless we all have a DNA test. So back to my studying on European law - got my eTMA exams all next week - I only attained a pass 2 on my last assignments probably cause I spend too much time contributing to local newspapers. By the way I don't speak Welsh I was just asking. Independentvoter
  • Score: -3

8:29pm Sun 25 May 14

welshmen says...

Independentvoter wrote:
You learn quick - not so long ago you told me that you could not speak Welsh at all. You must be attending the same college as me. We are both fast learners !

I study European law and as an undergraduate law student - soon to become a lawyer we have to consider all sides of all debates.

Am I 'an' immigrant ? Not that I know of - why do you ask ? but since you are asking - are you ? although don't bother answering as it doesn't interest me for one moment what you are or where you come from.

We never know what our roots are though - especially here in Newport as the Second Legion of August did settle here in Caerleon 2,500 years ago and many soldiers did marry, have children and settle here. I'm probably Celtic Silurian blooded but you never know unless we all have a DNA test.

So back to my studying on European law - got my eTMA exams all next week - I only attained a pass 2 on my last assignments probably cause I spend too much time contributing to local newspapers.

By the way I don't speak Welsh I was just asking.
What practice were you hoping to work for if and when you pass your TMA exams? as for my Welsh, your question was " Welshmen can you speak Welsh" and my answer in Welsh was "I am afraid not, never taught in my school, wish I could speak Welsh, never mind can you....
[quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: You learn quick - not so long ago you told me that you could not speak Welsh at all. You must be attending the same college as me. We are both fast learners ! I study European law and as an undergraduate law student - soon to become a lawyer we have to consider all sides of all debates. Am I 'an' immigrant ? Not that I know of - why do you ask ? but since you are asking - are you ? although don't bother answering as it doesn't interest me for one moment what you are or where you come from. We never know what our roots are though - especially here in Newport as the Second Legion of August did settle here in Caerleon 2,500 years ago and many soldiers did marry, have children and settle here. I'm probably Celtic Silurian blooded but you never know unless we all have a DNA test. So back to my studying on European law - got my eTMA exams all next week - I only attained a pass 2 on my last assignments probably cause I spend too much time contributing to local newspapers. By the way I don't speak Welsh I was just asking.[/p][/quote]What practice were you hoping to work for if and when you pass your TMA exams? as for my Welsh, your question was " Welshmen can you speak Welsh" and my answer in Welsh was "I am afraid not, never taught in my school, wish I could speak Welsh, never mind can you.... welshmen
  • Score: -3

8:43pm Sun 25 May 14

welshmen says...

You are studying European Law, so UKIP are your Enemy, when we leave the European Union will you have a job? or will all your studying be for nothing....
You are studying European Law, so UKIP are your Enemy, when we leave the European Union will you have a job? or will all your studying be for nothing.... welshmen
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8:16am Mon 26 May 14

n51w03 says...

kez1968 wrote:
Come over to blaenau gwent, have a look at the state the council has left the borough in, labour has been in charge here since the dawn of time. they say power corrupts and absolute power, corrupts absolutely. we have one of the highest council taxes in wales, we are the only borough which still has negative house prices, no public toilets, roads in an awful mess, rubbish everywhere, services slashed, high unemployment, drug and alcohol abuse rife, yes I have to agree with the AM...
Not sure you can blame the council for alcohol abuse being rife can you ?
[quote][p][bold]kez1968[/bold] wrote: Come over to blaenau gwent, have a look at the state the council has left the borough in, labour has been in charge here since the dawn of time. they say power corrupts and absolute power, corrupts absolutely. we have one of the highest council taxes in wales, we are the only borough which still has negative house prices, no public toilets, roads in an awful mess, rubbish everywhere, services slashed, high unemployment, drug and alcohol abuse rife, yes I have to agree with the AM...[/p][/quote]Not sure you can blame the council for alcohol abuse being rife can you ? n51w03
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9:09am Mon 26 May 14

Independentvoter says...

welshmen wrote:
You are studying European Law, so UKIP are your Enemy, when we leave the European Union will you have a job? or will all your studying be for nothing....
Studying European Law is a compulsory module which counts towards a Bachelors of Law degree - it is not a free choice module. My next module is Torte Law - we have to learn the Seven Foundations of Law.

My main interests are Torte Law which includes medical negligence - this is one of the most complexed area's of law and an area in which I will work. I have been offered lots of work already even though I haven't finished my degree yet - that's because I have worked along side Barristers and Solicitors and have won every case so far 100%.

Ukip are not my enemy at all - European Law protects everyone and gives you your basic Human Rights - A child has the right to be fed,clothed, an education etc I do not understand and probably never will why people want these basic Human Rights taken away from them. Maybe this is what the Government wants ?

People wanted a change and ukip got the protest vote. Their bubble will soon burst - when people realise they are a mono policy party and without Farrage they are nothing - can you name ukip's shadow minister for health or Education ? I can't.

So to answer your question directly, no my studying will not be for nothing.
So back to my studying - it's good to have a 10 minute break from studies !
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: You are studying European Law, so UKIP are your Enemy, when we leave the European Union will you have a job? or will all your studying be for nothing....[/p][/quote]Studying European Law is a compulsory module which counts towards a Bachelors of Law degree - it is not a free choice module. My next module is Torte Law - we have to learn the Seven Foundations of Law. My main interests are Torte Law which includes medical negligence - this is one of the most complexed area's of law and an area in which I will work. I have been offered lots of work already even though I haven't finished my degree yet - that's because I have worked along side Barristers and Solicitors and have won every case so far 100%. Ukip are not my enemy at all - European Law protects everyone and gives you your basic Human Rights - A child has the right to be fed,clothed, an education etc I do not understand and probably never will why people want these basic Human Rights taken away from them. Maybe this is what the Government wants ? People wanted a change and ukip got the protest vote. Their bubble will soon burst - when people realise they are a mono policy party and without Farrage they are nothing - can you name ukip's shadow minister for health or Education ? I can't. So to answer your question directly, no my studying will not be for nothing. So back to my studying - it's good to have a 10 minute break from studies ! Independentvoter
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10:38am Tue 27 May 14

topdog99 says...

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10:38am Tue 27 May 14

topdog99 says...

welshmen wrote:
Independentvoter wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Independentvoter: are you an immigrant? or a Marxist Liberal Elitest?.....
welshmen can you speak Welsh ???
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[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Independentvoter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Independentvoter: are you an immigrant? or a Marxist Liberal Elitest?.....[/p][/quote]welshmen can you speak Welsh ???[/p][/quote]Yr wyf yn ofni na, byth yn eu dysgu fy ysgol, yn dymuno gallwn i siarad Cymraeg, heb son am er y gallwch....[/p][/quote]Languages & Translation converters are very easy to find on line Ненормальн ый 低能 Typerys Βλαξ Idiot Imbecile Fávita topdog99
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3:16pm Wed 28 May 14

exMark says...

Parts of Gwent is a code word....

... for Newport
Parts of Gwent is a code word.... ... for Newport exMark
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